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1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask....
2 ************************ REMOVED: 16 MAY 83 ************************
3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System)  Mike Day System operator
4 ************************************************************
5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION PLACED ON
6                     THIS SYSTEM.
7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privatly owned
8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public.
9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system.
10 It is intended that the system be normally used for messages and
11 advertisments by the users. As the system is privatly owned, I retain the
12 right to remove any and all messages which I may find offensive
13 to me. Additionally because of the limited size of the system, it will be
14 periodically purged of older messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved)
15 The saved information will be cycled to drive 'B' while the information on
16 drive 'B' will be archived, and a fresh disk will be installed in drive 'A'.
17 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out
18 of the enter mode. The message is automaticly stored.
19 If after entering the message you find you made a mistake,
20 use the replace command to replace the line.
21 To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up.
22 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system.
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24 
25 SINCE B.A.D. DID A REASONABLE JOB OF DESCRIBING HOW YOU CAN COMMUNICATE
26 AT 600 BAUD OVER A 300 BAUD MODEM, (SEE DRIVE 'B') I WILL FORGO MY
27 RANT OF THAT ASPECT. (UNLESS OF COURSE I GET CALLS TO DO SO....)
28 *** CISTOP MIKEY THE BWMS MAN ******** 26 APR 83 ********************
29 THIS IS A VERY GOOD SYSTEM . I HOPE ITS AROUND FOR A LONG TIME
30 I CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO READ ANY MEASAGES FROM THIS
31 SYSTEM.  CAN YOU HELP ME? 
32 **********************
33 Answer to cry for help above:
34 	This system most strongly resembles a Cuisinart.  All the messages
35 get mooshed up together, butted up against each other.  It is far more
36 anonymous, indeed it is closer to a true 'electronic bulletin board' than
37 the systems with similar functions.
38 	So jump right in, the water's fine.  No comment is too off-the-wall,
39 no idea is too looney  (if you could see some of the backup disks, you'd
40 know what I mean).
41 	The average user of this system is happiest discussing politics,
42 religion, modems and baud rates, programming languages, and microprocessor
43 fundamentals.  I don't know which of these topics is the most controversial.;,
44 but make a strong comment on any or all and most likely the electronic s**t
45 will begin to fly.
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47 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
48 LIKE HI!
49 	JUST THOUGHT I WOULD TAKE THIS TIME TO LIKE HUG YOUR FACE!
50 I AM LIKE TOTALLY LIKE ENTHRALLED WITH LIKE ALL THE LIKE DATA ON THE 
51 TOTALLY MAXIMAL SYSTEM!!!   GAG ME WITH INFO!!!
52 					TOTALLY LATER,
53 					THE VAL GAL
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55 
56   There are often severe problems associated with using telephone modems
57 on radio circuits (HF).  Phone modems are set up for a circuit that changes
58 level minimally or at least very slowly.  This is certainly far from the
59 case on any HF circuit using the ionosphere for propogation.  There is
60 seldom any significant interference on the telephone, nor is there usually
61 the very pronounced multipath problems with two nearly equal signals
62 arriving with considerable delay between them.  (How would you like to 
63 try to decide between two signals with one sending '1' and the other a
64 '0' at the same time?)  
65   These are some of the reasons that most HF radio systems run at slow
66 data rates (74.2 baud is FAST!).  It is also why Baudot codes are used
67 (only five bits per character gives more characters per second with
68 the same baud).
69   Regarding AFSK (or even APSK), there is a significant S/N penalty
70 compared to direct FSK or direct PSK when using standard AM or FM with
71 full carrier.  You can recover the penalty by using higher transmitter
72 power if you aren't bothered by the cost (or the law!).  Using SSBSC
73 is really just a way of translating the audio signal directly to a
74 higher frequency, so it works just fine for data transmission, if
75 you ignore the other problems that mother nature throws at you...
76 {}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{} Analog Alan {}{}{}{} 27 Apr 83 PM {}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}
77 There is an even better reason why baudot is common: up until very recently
78 it was illegal for hams to use ascii, so it is still new. The slow rates
79 are more the result of cheap, obsolete equipment, and is rapidly changing.
80 But, as you say, radio is different. Or is it? There are bulletin boards
81 on the 2 meter band, just like on landline.
82    I see the Val Gal is back; greetings and lets hear more of it.
83 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~B.A.D.~~~~~~~APR 27~~~~~~~~
84 I have seen a lot of AFSK stuff running around on the 2 meter bands,
85 as well as others in that vicinity. Also it is not all data transmission
86 as we know it. There is an awfull lot of tone encoding going on for 
87 repeater access and other restricted things. These signals are being
88 generated by touch tone equipment being thrown out as AFSK on FM bands.
89 Why? because its cheap and available and it works. It has nothing to do
90 with whether it is the best engineering way to do it (especially since
91 it isn't!)  You probably won't see much high speed stuff on the HF bands
92 not because it can't be done, but rather because there is not enough 
93 space alocated to do it along with all the other trafic down there .
94 Most (if not all) of the lower bands are already taken by voice and CW
95 anyway, and those that are being used by RTTY are far too narrow for
96 any kind of speed no matter what method of modulation you use.
97 The high bands use FM because its all line of sight anyway, so you
98 might as well do an easy way (the other common method is SSB, AM has
99 been falling out of favour because of its increadibly waste of power
100 for almost no signal strength. FM while being nearly as wastefull as 
101 AM has a better signal to noise ratio and is perfered over the much
102 more efficient SSB because it is cheaper, and sounds better. SSB sounds
103 like a donald duck routine most of the time because of oscilator drift.)
104 The AFSK is used, because you just feed the signal into the aux input
105 and there is no equipment mods required to get it done as is often the
106 case with FSK or PSK. Remember, ease of implimentation is the prime
107 motivator, not whether it is the most perfect way to do it or not.
108 and AFSK is the easiest method to employ on most existing radio equipment.
109 Actualy, I have found that in most cases the reason given for do something
110 a certain way often has a base as an excuse for doing it the easiest way
112 BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING
113 .......................................................................
115 And now, for an opposing viewpoint:  Please be moderate, VAL GAL.  Call
116 B.A.D. on his landline and gag him in his ear.  Save us the ignominity of
117 it all, please.     HUMBUG
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120 **                                   **
121 **            HELLO OUT THERE!!!        **
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123 
124 
125 
126 
127 ___________________BEGIN ENTRY_________________________________________
128 
129 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Arthur Dent 4/28/83 16:12:00 C QX10<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
130 
131 Notice above that I have developed a new type of heading. The format is
132 
as follows:
133 
134 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~First & last name MM/DD/YY HH:MM:SS M CT~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
135 
136 
137 Of course we know what your first & last name are (we hope), standard
138 date and time format comes next, and then the message type. To decipher
139 the message type, look below.
140 
141 A=Extremly important! Read now.
142 B=Will be of interest to most.
143 C=You can skip this and come back to it.
144 D=Very bland. Nothing of real interest
145 E=Just use 'DO 10'.
146 
147 Last but not least, the computer type. For me its QX10, for you it may be:
148 
149 TRS=Trs-80
150 APL2=Apple II
151 IBM=IBM PC
152 TERM=A normal terminal (Digital type)
153 OSB1=Osborne 1
154 OTHR=other type
155 
156 --------------MESSAGE SEPARATE--------------------------------------
157 
158 In other news:
159 'Disconnection-807 longer up and running. De facto, it does no longer
160 exist! To directly quote one of its sysops "it wasn't fun anymore so
161 we just shut it down".
162 Now doesn't that just take the biscuit! So don't even bother to call.
163 Don't even bother listing it in the local SYSTEM directory. If you
164 wish to see the deceased, its at the Doctors home for no-longer-up-
165 and-running systems.
166 
167       	                   And thats the way it is.
168 
169                          Nostalgically,
170                          Arthur Dent
171 
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175 
176 IT'S ONLY AS FUN AS YOU MAKE IT...
177 *** CISTOP MIKEY 28 APR 83 *** (YOU MAY QUOTE ME) ******************
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184 	
185 I am VERY new here. Will someone tell me how to operate this?
186 I am confused. HELP please!?!?!?!?!
187 
188 I get it n
189 I get it n
190 ow. Forget
191 the messag
192 e I left 
193 before.
194 Who was that masked man?  Why was he so confused?  Tune in next
195 week and find out.....
196 ************************
197 BULL
198 VAL GAL:
199 ARE YOU FOR REAL? I THOUGHT THAT JIVE WENT OUT WITH THE VALLEY 
200 FLOODS,LIKE WASHED UP!
201 EVEN FRANK ZAPPA HAS MOVED ON TO BETTER THINGS,NOT TO MENTION
202 THAT MOON IS A OBJECT OF THE PAST.
203 SO WISE UP AND BE ORIGINAL IF THAT IS IF ITS WITH IN YOUR POWER 
204 TO DO SO --- GAG!
205 
206 ==========================================================
207 FOR SALE:
208  
209 1980 VIKING POP UP CAMPER
210 
211    . SLEEPS 5 OR 6
212    . PROPANE FURNACE
213    . 3 BURNER RANGE (CAN BE INSTALL ON OUTSIDE AT CAMPSITE
214    . SINK
215    . ICE BOX
216    . PRIVACY CURTAINS
217    . 15 GAL. WATER TANK
218 
219      CALL TOM @ 661-xxxx ANYTIME
220 ===============================================================
221 disconnection 807, what in the world wasthat?
222 
223 ################################################################
224 TO SYSTEM OPERATOR*************************
225 HI MIKEY-RECIEVED YOUR PACKAGE-THANK YOU-IT'S
226 ON IT'S WAY-WAS GOING TO SAY THAT IT WAS A BUMMER
227 THAT ONE COULDN'T USE THE WHOLE SHEET OF PAPER
228 TIL I TURNED IT OVER-GOOD USE OF PAPER.
229 ....................................
230 AGREED, HAD SOME PROBLEMS GETTING THE THING DOWN LOADED AS THE
231 MACHINE I WAS USING TO PULL IT OFF WITH DIDN'T LIKE LONG
232 MESSAGES (THAT'S WHY THE *** MSG DONE *** WAS INSERTED EVERY
233 ONCE IN A WHILE. THEN TO COMPOUND MATTERS IT RAN OUT OF PAPER
234 AND I HAD TO SCROUNG UP SOME MORE REAL QUICK LIKE. FINALY TO
235 ADD INSULT TO INJURY, I HAD FORGOT TO TURN OFF THE SAVE FUNCTION
236 AND MEMORY FILLED UP AND I HAD TO CALL THE SYSTEM BACK TO GET
237 THE REST OF THE DISK. GAD, I WOULD HAVE THAT A THING LIKE THAT
238 WOULD HAVE BEEN SOOOO SIMPLE....................
239 DOG
240   One mention of the better signal to noise ratio of FM propagates a
241 common misconception.  For the same signal strength, the S/N on FM is
242 almost no different from AM.  The only time that FM gets the improvement
243 is when you use wide deviation (much more than +/- 5 kHz for VF) and 
244 when the signal is well above the improvement threshold.  At levels
245 below the equivalent FM threshold, AM is actually quieter!  The real
246 reason for FM on the mobile communication frequencies is that the
247 apparent audio level is constant, regardless of the signal strength.
248 You can use the good old limiter to provide constant level recovered
249 audio, while AM and AMssbsc requires a very well designed AGC system
250 for level control on receive.
251   For the person that said the only reason that hams don't use high
252 speed modems on HF was the lack of clear bandwidth... I challenge 
253 you to send 2400 bps on any HF circuit over 200 miles, regardless
254 of the rules and with negligible QRM.  It should only take 3 kHz
255 bandwidth, which isn't so much.  Try it on 80 meters around 3600
256 at 11 PM local time; the QRM is minimal.  I bet you can't even 
257 recover the clock!
258 {}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{} Analog Alan {}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}
259 Actually it has been done. admittedly only at 1200 baud, but then
260 that is the fastest 'standard' AFSK modem made. Really, it is quite 
261 simple to do . First you do not do SSB this is a major mistake as
262 it corrupts the signal so badly its amazing that voice gets thru
263 let alone data. While the phone company manages to do rather well
264 with SSB, they have to go to some rather expensive extremes to
265 get it done. As it is their main reason for even doing it is to
266 save bandwidth space. As power and uncontroled conditions they can
267 get around. I degress here, sorry. Any way since SSB is out what we
268 have left of the standard methods of modulating is AM or FM.
269 AM is also out because while it is more stable then SSB on the typical
270 transmitter, it is far more suceptible to the type of noises that 
271 modems don't like. This leaves us with FM which although is far from
272 perfect it the best we got. The next thing we have to worry about
273 is the modem. We cannot use the 103 type modem, as it is a narrow shift
274 modem, and is suceptible to noise variance. Nor can we use the slightly 
275 less common high speed modems such as the bell 201 (2400 baud) modem as
276 these modems use phase shift to encode the data for transmission, and
277 since the HF bands tend to shift the phase of the signal rather heavily
278 this type of encoding is out. If we were to build our own high speed
279 modem that used FSK instead, then we could handle it. finally the modem
280 needs to be a wide shift type FSK modem such as the 202 modem. This 
281 reduces the noise interference problem to a minimum. The method of
282 modulating the signal on the FM is not really important, since data 
283 signals are constant level there is really no effective difference between
284 AFSK or FSK as we would be transmitting at 100% modulation in either case.
285 As such we used AFSK since it was easier to connect to the radio.  
286 Now comes the important part, many hams expect the signal to get thru
287 with no corruption at all. This is a wholly unrealistist attitude, after
288 all if the high speed stuff can't get thru as good a connection as the
289 phone line what makes them think it can get thru the air waves unmolested?
290 As such we use a packet transmission system so as to be able to retransmit
291 those pieces of data that get mangled. Also I might note that while
292 you can get by with only a 3000Hz bandwidth to xmit the 2400 baud signal
293 via SSB, you will need better then 2X the rate to xmit via AM or FM.
294 Them's simply the rules of the game. 
295 As a parting comment, I still hold that ease of design is the prime
296 factor in the design of most equipment. This is because engineering 
297 time is expensive, and you can't aford to spend months designing a
298 piece of gear that you will only sell a couple hundred of at horribly
299 narrow profit margins. Life doesn't work like that.
300 ..... the exwarior ..............................................
301   I agree with your comments.  After all, laziness is a very strong 
302 motivating force!  And you are certainly right that the standard ham
303 SSB transmitter has neither the required bandwidth nor the necessary
304 linearity to do an adequate job of sending high speed data.  The 
305 equalization used in the slower synchronous modems (201) usually can
306 only handle the group delay that is typical of a telephone channel, and
307 the narrow transmitter a-n-d receiver filters in ham gear add much more
308 group delay than a transcontinental terrestrial microwave link with all
309 of the required channel filters.
310   High speed FSK or AFSK modems will also have problems with the phase
311 instability of HF paths (2400 bps and up) since there is a duality of
312 the phase and frequency modulation techniques.  Even at 1200 bps, the
313 net data rate with packet transmission or other error correction 
314 methods will drop off drastically due to numerous retransmissions.  It
315 will be true that there is an optimum data rate with error correction
316 that will provide the maximum throughput on a given channel.  Either
317 higher or lower data transmission rates will degrade the actual amount
318 of data per unit time.
319 {}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{} Analog Alan {}{}{} 30 Apr 83 PM {}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}
320 **************************
321 Get this:  I just read about a new laser diode which has been used to
322 transmit data over an optical fiber at 1G BPS.  That's right, 1,000,000,000
323 bits per second, equivalent to about 2  30-volume encyclopedias per second.
324 So don't give me any of this 1200 baud nonsense.
325 **************************
326 In order to get away from the phase shift problems due to ionosphere
327 fadeing, go to very high data rates, and send in short spurts. I admit
328 this leaves out the 80 meter ham band, but go to somewhat higher freqs
329 and use meteor trail scatter. (It's loaded with fade.) Most of the
330 time you can't use this, but when it's good, it's good; so send a pilot
331 signal from the receiving end, and when this gets through to the sender,
332 he sends a spurt of very fast data. Don't laugh, it works. Standard FSk
333 is still the best way to modulate, don't even bother with audio stuff
334 except very wideband FM.
335 
336 Now, for some interesting stuff. WOMEN. In case you haven't figured
337 it out, one of the main reasons why there are no ladies on BWMS, or
338 at least very few, it's because ther is nothing here of interest to
339 them. Sooo. How about something for them, like recipes?
340 	
341 	RHUBARB SHERBET
342 
343 3 cups sliced rhubarb (1 lb)
344 1 cup light corn syrup
345 1/2 cup water
346 1/4 cup orange liqueur (or creme de cassis)
347 
348 In medium saucepan combine rhubarb, corn syrup, and water; bring to
349 boil, reduce heat and simmer 10 minutes. Let cool, and blend in blender
350 untilk smooth. Add liqueur and a few drops of red food coloring.
351 Pour into 9" round or square flat pan and freeze until firm but not 
352 hard. Break into pieces, mash and mix until smooth; refreeze.
353 Makes about 1 quart.
354 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
355 Recipes, huh?  Is this stereotyping, or role fixing, maybe?  HEY, MIKE:
356   How about a dialogue:  among users:  Friendly things once shared with a lady
357 ===========================================================================
358 -----
359 I just saw all of the nicknames going on, I thought I'd get my two
360 centss worth in.
361  
362  
363         Pion (as in the particle)
364 -----
365 -----
366 HI, I'M KINDA NEW TO THESE BULLETIN BOARD SYSTEMS AND ALL THAT
367 AND I'D LIKE TO FIND ALL OF THE BULLETIN BOARD SYSTEMS THAT ARE
368 AVAILABLE. COULD SOMEONE POST NAMES AND NUMBERS PLEASE?
369 
370 
371         Pion
372 -----
373 AM TRYING TO LOCATE A NAVY SURPLUS OAK
374 "CAPTAINS'S BED". IF YOU HAVE ONE FOR SALE OR KNOW IF OR WHERE I CAN GET ONE,  
375 PLEASE GIVE "TOM" A CALL AT 253-xxxx.
376 IT HASCOME TO MY ATTENTION THAT MO
377 
378 
379 IT HAS COME TO MY ATTENTION THAT MOTION IS IMPOSSIBLE.
380 I WAS TOLD THAT TO GO ANY WHERE I HAD MOVE FROM WHERE I WAS
381 TO WHERE I WAS NOT
382 WELL, I AM WHERE I AM I , AND I CANNOT BE WHERE I AM NOT
383 RIGHT?????????????????????????????????????????????>????????
384 
385 OF COURSE IF I WERE TO PLACE MY FOOT IN THE RIVER AND THEN
386 REMOVE IT AND TRY TO PLACE IT IN AGAIN, I COULD NOT BECAUSE
387 THE RIVER WILL HAVE CHANGED BEFOR E I COULD REPLACE MY FOOT
388 IN FACT I CAN'T EVEN PLACE MY FOOT IN THE RIVER ONCE BECAUSE
389 IT WILL HAVE ALREADY CHANGED, RIGHT?????????????????????????
390 to sywop:
391 hi!!! I'm brand-spankin new at this, but
392 it looks like loads up fun!!!!!
393       signed, jumpin' John
394 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
395 HELP!!!!!
396 
397 For some strange reason Backwater keeps
398 repeating everything I type!!!
399 Duplex isn't the problem on my end, because
400 when I change from half to full (Or vice-versa)
401 it has no effect whatsoever.
402 
403 If someone has a way to stop BW from repeating me, please let me know!!!
404                   signed, J Zalcor(Alias John)
405 --------------------------------------------
406 That's easy!  Stop calling BWMS and don't use the enter command!!!
407 |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
408 For a moment I thought using this system would be complicated,
409 but after getting used to the commands, it wasn't so hard. Still,
410 the help could be more "helpful." Oh, well, it's a good system
411 anyway.
412 
413 
416         Ready to criticize anything,
417         Pion
418 -----
419 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
420 I don't want to stop using this thing--
421 it's fun! Besides, you guys get some intersting argument
422 going. I guess I'll just have o learn how to read 
423 different.
424 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
425 HAS ANYONE BEEN CONNECTED WITH ANY TOOL AND/OR SKILL TRADING
426 AROUND THE TRI- COUNTY AREA AS I'VE SEEN IN SEATTLE OR THE
427 .....................................................
428 John:
429 	What terminal program are you using (and on what system)?
430 Some terminal programs confuse half/full duplex with echo/no echo.
431 Dial-up systems are SUPPOSED to echo your characters back at you
432 so you can see if what it received was what you sent. 
433 _____________________________Leonard____________________________
434 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
435   Just for the record, I found my problem.
436   The software I have refuses to do what
437 I want.  It seems I can sit here and tell
438 it to go Full duplex atill I turn
439 blue, but it won't. So I'm going to scrap it and write a new terminal
440 program.  Fun stuff.  So until that job is
441 finished, I WILL have to read differently!!!!!
442 Thanx!!
443 +++++++++++++++John+++++++++++++++++++++++++
444 =======<==========================================================
445 
446 TO ALL UNIX SYSTEMS PROGRAMMERS:  I AM RECRUTING FOR A GRAPHICS/CAD
447 SYSTEMS COMPANY WO IS LOOKING FOR A UNIX/C SYSTEMS PROGRAMMER FOR SUPPORT AND
448 ENHANCEMENT OF THE UNIX SHELL AND KERNAL.  DEGREE IS REQUIRED, PAY IS $30 TO 36K
449 PLEASE CONTACT CLIFF LILES AT (503)244-xxxx
450 OR SEND A RESUME TO PERSONNEL SPECIALISTS.
451 PORTLAND  OR  97219
452 WE ARE ALSO INTERESTED IN HEARING FROM ANY OTHER PROGRAMMERS, ENGINEERS OR
453 TECHNICAL PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN A NEW JOB.  WE ARE AN ENTIRELY EMPLOYER
454 FEE PAID AGENCY.F
455 FOR THE RADIO PEOPLE ON THE SYSTEM, I ALSO HAVE A JOB FOR A DEGREED SALESMAN
456 WITH RADIO )(POLICE/INDUSTRAIIAL) EXPERIENCE TO SELL FOR A MAJOR MANUFACTURER
457 IF YOU QUALIFY FOR ANY OF THESE AREAS, GEIVE MAE A CALL.  THANX
458 CLIFF LILES.
459 There's a whole bunch of bulletin board systems around.
460 I think someone should create an electronic postal system.
461 Maybe I'll give it a go...
462 
463 
464         Pion
465 
466 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
467 TO PION-WHAT COMPANY DO YOU WORK FOR AND WHAT SYSTEM ARE YOU USING?????
468 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
469   Pion,  That's a good idea. Maybe we can get together and see if we can do
470 
471 it, If you wouldn't mind some help.
472                  -John
473 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
483 NEW COMPUTER STORE NAMED 80 PLUS WILL NPEN
484 SATURDAY MAY 7TH. 
485 PHONE NUMBER 771-xxxx.
486 THEY HANDLE HARDVARE & ROFTWARE AND ALL TYPES OF
487 COMPUTER SUPPLIES. STOP BY AND CHECK IT OUT.
488 REMEMBER TO TELL THEM YOU SAW THIS ON YOUR BBS.
489 T@EY HAVE ROME OF THE BEST PRICES IN PORTLAND.
490 
491 -----
492 From Pion:
493  
494    I don't work for any company. I'm just a novice programmer,
495 actually, and I come up with a bright idea every now and then.
496 
497    I'm using a Heathkit H-89 computer with two secondary drives,
498 a MX-80 printer with GRAFTRAX-80 installed and Hayes Smartmodem
499 300.
500 
501    To John: As I said, I'm just a novice programmer and I only
502 do this in my spare time. I thank you for your offer, however.
503 If you have any features you think would be a good idea, I'd
504 be glad to listen.
505 
506    Thanks to all.
507 
508 
509         Pion
510 -----
511 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
512 dear pion -- where does the name pion come from?
513 
514 <><>><><><><><><><><><>>><><><><><><><><><><><><><>><>><><>><
515 -----
516 Reply to message above:
517 
518    At first (and still on another system) I call myself
519 "The Pioneer." This is kind of a play on my middle name, "Dorian,"
520 which was the name of a group of pioneers somewhere way
521 back then. I don't mean "pioneers" as in Davy Crockett, I
522 mean WAY back then. I think they were Oriental, or at least
523 Asian.
524 
525    I got tired of signing "The Pioneer" at the end of every
526 message and decided it to shorten it to "Pion," as in the
527 particle. I don't know if this particle is real; I read about
528 it in a Sci-Fi book. (It probably isn't real.)
529 
530    I hope this answers your question. I prefer to keep my
531 entire name secret for unknown reasons, even to me. (This
532 was a joke.)
533 
534 
535         Pion
536 -----
537 TO:ALL
538 FROM:BRENDA FISHER
539 
540 
541 
553 ...............................
554 How's that again, Brenda??
555 ...............................
556 ********************************
557 To Pion:
558 	Yes, 'pion' is a particle, originally called 'pi meson'.
559 Originally hypothesized in the thirties by Hideki Yukawa as the
560 particle which holds together the particles in nucleus of the 
561 atom.  Discovered, I believe, in the early fifties.
562 ********************************
563 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
564   From:  Bit Bucket BB System
565   To:    All
566   Subject:  System downtime
567 
568   The Bit Bucket BB system will go down tonight
569 (5/6/83) until Monday, 5/16/83.  This is required
570 because sysop is going on a business trip, and the
571 wife can't operate the system.  SO, I gotta take
572 it down.  System back up sometime 5/16, so "see"
573 all you regular BBBB callers then.
574         Rick B., System Operator, Bit Bucket.
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578 BBS #S
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580 CBBS NW 646-xxxx
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582 PMS-Portland 245-xxxx
583 
584 RCPM 621-xxxx
585 
586 RCPM 641-xxxx
587 
588 Portland Atari Club 245-xxxx
589 
590 Bit Bucket BBS 761-xxxx
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593 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
594 
595 But then Pion may simply be a misspelling of Peon!
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597 Reply to above message:
598 
599    Bad joke.
600 
601 
602         Pion
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604 HERE IS A LIST OF ALL THE 300 BAUD NUMBERS THAT I HAVE WRITTEN DOWN. SORRY ABOUT
605 ANY REPETITION OF THE NUMBERS.
606 
607 
608 ** COMPUSERVE   232-xxxx/232-xxxx
609    BIT BUCKET   761-xxxx
610   CONNECTION-80 281-xxxx
611    RCP/M        641-xxxx
612    CP/M         621-xxxx
613    BMS          230-xxxx (DUH!)
614    PT. ATARI CB 245-xxxx
615    MCESD        255-xxxx
616    PMS          245-xxxx
617    PMS (EUGENE) 689-xxxx
618    LITHO/NET    (800) 831-xxxx
619    OARCS        641-xxxx
620    CBBS         646-xxxx/284-xxxx
621 
622 
623 THAT'S IT, THE SYSM.
624 
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626 ----------------::::::::-----------------
627 WELL IT'S ABOUT TIME FOR A COMPUTER AUDIO AD.
628 THIS IS A TEST OF THE PUBLIC BULLETIN BOARD AUDIO AWARENESS.
629 GILBERT AUDIO STOCKS THE WORLDS FINEST TURNTABLE. INTERESTED? CALL.