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001=Usr:0 Null User 06/30/87 20:34 Msg:0 Call:0 Lines:19
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1$If you are in need of help, you need but ask...
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2$************************* INSTALLED: 13 AUG 89 ***************************
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3$Welcome to BWMS II (BackWater Message System II) Mike Day System operator
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4$**************************************************************************
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5$GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS II IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION
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6$ PLACED ON THIS SYSTEM.
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7$BWMS II was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS II is a privately
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8$owned and operated system which is currently open for use by the general
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9$public. No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. As the
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10$system is privately owned, I retain the right to remove any and all
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11$messages which I may find offensive. Because of the limited size of the
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12$system, it will be periodically purged of messages (only 999 lines of data
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13$can be saved). To leave a message, type 'ENTER'. Use ctrl/C to get out
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14$the ENTER mode. The message is automatically stored. If after entering
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15$the message you find you made a mistake, use the replace command to
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16$replace the line. To exit from the system, type 'BYE' then hang up.
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17$Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system.
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18$**************************************************************************
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19$
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002=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 08/13/89 19:26 Msg:4231 Call:23268 Lines:3
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20 Somebody has to have the last word. If not, every argument could be opposed
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21 by another and we'd never be done with it. -- Albert Camus
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22 **************************************************************************
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003=Usr:115 John Bach 08/13/89 20:55 Msg:4232 Call:23270 Lines:5
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25 Wow!!!!! I'm the first !!! HAHAHAHAHAH :-)
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26
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27 -- John Bach
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004=Usr:4 Milchar 08/13/89 21:25 Msg:4233 Call:23272 Lines:3
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28 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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29 Methinks I detected some sneakiness at the bottom of DB... Hummm....
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30 ++++++++++ Almost-but-not-quite lurk mode-ing, Milch ++++++++++++++++
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005=Usr:33 Mike Stanfill 08/13/89 23:14 Msg:4234 Call:23276 Lines:143
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31 /*/*/*/*/*/*/*
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32 > I think that the word "current" is used strictly as a time reference
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33 >and not a state of being. That is, the word is used with the concept of
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34 > a moving frame of reference (time).
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35
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36 OK, I have no problem with belief systems that do not change over
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37 time (perhaps the believer has found no reason to change them.)
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38
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39 > (swob) "A person may of course decide upon either one based upon his best
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40 > information. But surely only one can be correct."
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41 >
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42 > To assume a dicotomy (sp), is to assume a defined state of being.
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43
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44 Yes: any state of being in which "not true" means "false" and
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45 "not false" means "true." Perhaps my meaning was not clear in
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46 the quoted material. I said that only one could be true assuming
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47 that "just a man in the right place at the right time" meant "NOT
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48 the Son of God, but ONLY ..." - which contains the complement of
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49 "the Son of God." I'm not saying that Jesus could not have been
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50 BOTH or NEITHER. Indeed, if he was the Son of God, it would make
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51 sense that He would be a Man in the right place at the right
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52 time. If he was NOT the Son of God, it would make sense that he
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53 was certainly NOT in the right place at the right time (since the
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54 Romans killed him). But he must either be the Son of God or not.
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55 If you're saying that I must embrace a view which allows for
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56 something to be BOTH true and false or NEITHER true nor false,
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57 I'm afraid I cannot imagine such states, and will not allow them
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58 in any event.
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59
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60 > An incorrect perspective would make your answer false,
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61 > but you can't really show that either perspective is correct to
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62 > begin with.
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63
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64 I don't deny that I cannot prove that "not true" means "false."
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65 On what am I to base my proof? You have eliminated one of the
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66 very bases of logic. Indeed, you may eliminate *all* of them with
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67 the kind of argument you are using here. You say that I accept
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68 the tenets of logic without question? I confess! I do! I
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69 know that they are something I have learned - nonetheless I
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70 believe them to be true. It's all well and good to try to get
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71 around built-up ideas in order to see what they are based on,
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72 but if you take away the basis, you have nothing left! To
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73 paraphrase: "it is good that the window is transparent, because
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74 the landscape beyond it is opaque. If you see through everything,
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75 then everything is invisible."
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76
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77 > So, you really are reduced to "I think, ergo, I Am",
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78 > because your conscienceness implies that you must exist first before
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79 > you can arrive at that conclusion.
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80
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81 You forget that you are accepting without question a system of
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82 reality in which conciousness implies existance. Never mind
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83 that you can't think of another system - you might just not know.
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84
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85 > You are left with a multitude of
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86 > choices; personally I feel that a compromise would best serve
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87 > this.
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88
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89 Between what and what? You have said that the only thing
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90 hich can be known is that one exists. Where is the choice
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91 in that? To know it or not?
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92
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93 > You have to assume ALL views before you can be truely
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94 > correct.
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95
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96 Then why are you attempting to correct me? If you assume
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97 my view, why argue? Indeed, if you believe that everything
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98 other than "I do not exist" is true, what should possess you
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99 to post to a bulletin board?
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100
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101 > Yes, that is all-encompasing and broad, but it's the
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102 > only way I'm aware of to compensate for this situation. Funny
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103 > thought: I'm using logic in an attempt to describe itself.
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104
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105 Actually, you are using logic to destroy itself. If you must
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106 accept every idea, then you must accept its negation, and if
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107 nothing can be determined to be true or false (or even your both
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108 or neither), then logic has nothing in which to manifest itself.
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109
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110 > Redundant, isn't it?;->)
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111
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112 No. Applying logic to its own basis is not redundant, it is
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113 meaningless. Of course the bases of logic are not *!*logical*!*
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114 (i.e. following from ideas previously determined to be true); they
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115 are the essence of Logic itself - there is nothing below them.
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116
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117 > (swob) "I think that logic is quite robust, actually. Paradoxes are
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118 > nonsense in that they are not logical. "This sentence is
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119 > false" does not attack the foundation of logic unless part
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120 > of that foundation is that all sentences are logically
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121 > coherent."
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122 >
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123 > Paradoxes ARE logical.
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124
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125 By the strict definition, SOME paradoxes are logical in that
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126 though they *appear* illogical, they may be shown to be true.
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127 The paradoxes I was referring to are those which are *inherently*
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128 illogical, such as "this sentence is false."
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129
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130 > But the logic system you must be using
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131 > seems to be binary.
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132
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133 Indeed, it is. I know no other.
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134
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135 > There are at least FOUR answers: it is true, it is false, it is
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136 > BOTH, it is NONE. The fifth: it doesn't matter (actually appling
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137 > (sp) applying non-logic and chaos).
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138
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139 I suppose you can invent your own logical values. I don't
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140 suppose anyone's going to listen to you, though.
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141
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142 > Ponder this, and other multi-
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143 > answer logic systems, and you might understand why views are never
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144 > always correct (as above).
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145
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146 Views are then never EVER correct in the sense that most every-
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147 one understands 'correct.' Saying 'this is correct' means 'if
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148 you happen to subscribe to this logic, then this follows from
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149 the axioms.' Which says nothing meaningful. You could have
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150 just as easily (wait! much more easily!) made it a self-
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151 evident truth (axiom), and it would carry the same weight. You
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152 could just as easily counter it by making its complement
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153 (complement in my limited, binary sense) a self-evident truth.
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154 To hold all views is to hold no view.
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155
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156 > Any of those five answers can be used
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157 > to justify a viewpoint.
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158
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159 Not convincingly...
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160
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161 ***For those of you who just read the Handey quotes (you know who
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162 you are) ||
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163 \/
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164 "Memories of my family outings still are a source of strength to me.
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165 I remember we'd all pile into the car - I forget what kind it was -
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166 and drive and drive, I'm not sure where we'd go, but I think there
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167 were some trees there. The smell of something was strong in the
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168 air as we played whatever sport we played. I remember a bigger, older
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169 guy whom we called 'Dad.' We'd eat some stuff, or not, and then _
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170 I think we went home. I guess some things never leave you." /#)
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171 -Jack Handey, "Deep Thoughts" n n n (#/
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172 / ~~~ ~~~ \/
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173 /*/*/*/*/*/*/* -swob (a Self-Willed Orange Blancmange) /___/____\__\
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006=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 08/14/89 12:55 Msg:4235 Call:23285 Lines:83
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174 696969696969
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175 NEW HIGH CALLED DANGEROUS:-8/10/89
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176 After cheap highs like glue sniffing and mushroom tripping, the latest way
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177 to catch a buzz is to lick a toad. A University of Michigan expert notes that
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178 Colorado River toads excrete a chemical called bufotenine when agitated. The
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179 Drug Enforcement Agency reports that they have reports of people licking the
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180 chemical from the toads to get high - a felony that can also be fatal.
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181 So, girls, before you try to turn that ugly frog into a handsome prince,
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182 remember, no tongue.
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183 PIERCE NOT SO DETACHED:-8/10/89
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184 Embattled former housing chief Samuel Pierce played a strong role in
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185 Republican politics and civil rights, internal HUD documents show. The just
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186 released documents also show Pierce was aggressive about using his clout to
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187 oversee some housing decisions. Documents include personal and professional
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188 letters to the likes of Sen. Strom Thurmond, R-S.C.
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189 A vacant HUD office is this week's hottest Washington, D.C., news-
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190 gathering spot. The former quarters of a federal homeless council are the
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191 temporary repository for 48 boxes of files from HUD chief Samuel Pierce's
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192 eight years in office. So far, 47 reporters have dug through the documents,
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193 freed by a New York Times Freedom of Information Act request.
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194 Lee Atwater, head of the Republican National Committee, had this comment:
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195 "I really don't understand why anyone's upset about what happened at HUD during
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196 the Reagan years. What we Republicans did was no different that what Democrats
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197 have done. The only difference I see, is that the Democrats were actually
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198 foolish enough to build some buildings that actually helped the poor and home-
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199 less. Oh, yeah, and each of Republicans were getting six and seven digit
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200 payoffs, why those foolish Democrats only took 4 or 5 figure fees. Let me say
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201 on behalf of all good Bush/Reagan Republicans everywhere, that we feel that our
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202 actions are the only ways to ensure a Republican majority in the House in this
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203 decade. Let me assure the American voters, that we, as a party, will continue
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204 to abuse government at every opportunity for the benefit of the obscenely
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205 wealthy, but only at the expense of the poor and homeless. Well, okay, maybe
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206 the middle-class will suffer some too, but only the lower middle-class, and
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207 since you're a Republican, you're not one of those anyway...are you?"
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208
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209 `SOFT LANDING' HERE, FED SAYS:-8/10/89
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210 The Federal Reserve's latest report on the economy's health offers strong
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211 evidence that the much talked about "soft landing" is here. In its new beige
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212 book, released Wednesday, the Fed reports that: The nation's economy continues
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213 to grow slowly, with no sign of a recession and inflation remains subdued
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214 across the nation.
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215 Of the nine districts reporting on prices or inflation in the Fed's beige
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216 book, eight say inflation is leveling off or slowing. The Boston-based first
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217 district says businesses agree that materials prices have peaked and that
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218 selling prices are rising modestly at most.
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219 Manufacturing shows slow growth in several districts and declining
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220 activity in some areas, according to the Fed's beige book. Among those
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221 reporting declines was the eighth district, headquartered in St. Louis.
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222 Auto sales are weak in a majority of districts, although Dallas (the 11th
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223 district) reports significantly stronger sales, according to the Fed's beige
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224 book. One reason car sales are up there, economists say, is the 11th district
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225 is rebounding from its energy recession.
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226
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227 ECONOMIST FORECASTS RECESSION:
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228 Despite indications of a "soft landing," the economy already has entered a
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229 period of severe contraction that will be worsened by persistently high
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230 interest rates, an economic forecasting service warned Wednesday. The nation
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231 shouldn't kid itself by seeing only what it wants to see, said Walter J.
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232 Williams, president of American Business Econometrics, Inc. A recession is
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233 here, he says.
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234 It's just a re-creation on the evening news.
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235
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236 100B-WATT POWER SHORTAGE SEEN:-8/10/89
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237 Alternative energy sources must be employed to prevent a huge shortage in
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238 electrical generating capacity, estimated at 100 billion watts by the year
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239 2000, according to retired Lt. Gen. James A. Abrahamson, former Strategic
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240 Defense Initiative Office director who spoke Wednesday to the Intersociety
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241 Energy Conversion Engineering Conference in Arlington, Va.
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242
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243 VIDEO ADS BUG VIEWERS:-8/10/89
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244 Consumers are ticked off about commercials on videocassettes they rent,
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245 even as more auto and soft-drink spots are being spliced onto movie tapes, an
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246 A.C. Nielsen survey shows. Sixty-six percent of VCR owners said they fast-
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247 forwarded through commercials at the beginning of rented movies. Even so, the
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248 commercials won't be going away anytime soon.
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249 VIDEO ADS HELP SALES:
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250 Based on studies from A.C. Nielsen Co. and others commissioned by Disney,
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251 the company discovered pre-selling to customers is a key ingredient to sell-
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252 through success with video specialty stores, according to Video Business
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253 magazine.
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254
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255 696969696969696969
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256
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007=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 08/14/89 13:54 Msg:4236 Call:23287 Lines:78
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257 ......................................................
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258 As she touched the goblet to her lips, a shudder passed thru her body. She
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259 had put most of the pieces together, and knew now that she had met this "Friar"
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260 before. She was still not sure who she was, or why she was here, but she also
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261 knew that she would answer those questions soon. The liquid tasted good as she
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262 swallowed and looked around. The others in the room seemed to pay them little
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263 heed, altho at one table, in the shadows, lurked another familiar looking
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264 faces. But, tho they looked so ache-ing-ly familiar, she could not quite
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265 gather their names. She looked deeply into Friar's eyes and spoke:
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266 "We have met before. Even tho my memory is still less than complete, I am
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267 quite certain of that. From deep in your mind is a fragment of a distant
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268 memory. I feel the images of this place, and of some dealings with you. Then
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269 one of us leaves and the other follows. I remember a pool, and some darkness."
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270 Friar looked startled. She couldn't tell if he recognized her or not. The
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271 cast of his eye had definitely changed. He seemed to lean away from her.
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272 "I don't recall if we were enemies or friends, " she continued. "But we
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273 must put whatever our relationship was, aside. I have come to try to correct a
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274 grevious wrong. And I'm going to need your help!"
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275 Before Friar could respond to all this, the lurkers seemed to notice the
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276 lavish spread he had before him. "Can you get this bag of yours to give us
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277 some of this fine food?" the taller one asked. "We have been travelling for
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278 a great distance, and have no money. The Innkeeper has let us stay in, out of
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279 the weather, and occasionally fed us, but we hate to keep imposing on him.
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280 Perhaps we could impose on you a bit, " the shorter one said. Friar turned
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281 back around to check with her, to gauge her reaction to their request. But the
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282 chair in which she had been sitting was empty.
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283
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284 ...............................................
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285
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286 696969696969
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287 CONTRA - U.S. LET US DOWN:-8/14/89
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288 Contra leader Adolfo Calero, in the wake of a Central American pact to
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289 demobilize his rebels, Sunday said the United States let his forces down. They
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290 could have lobbied harder, they could have shown more support so that the
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291 forces would remain in place until after the elections as the only guarantee
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292 for free elections in Nicaragua, he said.
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293 It's always nice to be appreciated by those you have given millions and
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294 millions of dollars to, sacrificed the Constitution for, run drugs to support,
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295 etc.
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296 S&LS STRUGGLE TO MEET STANDARDS:-8/14/89
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297 According to an exclusive USA TODAY-Gannett News Service computer study:
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298 520 of the nation's 2,959 savings and loans had no tangible capital on March
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299 31. At least half of those 520 already are targeted to be closed by the
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300 government, and many of the others will need government help to survive.
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301 Another 148 S&Ls have between zero and 1.5 percent tangible capital.
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302
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303 INFLATION DOWN BUT NOT OUT:-8/14/89
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304 Inflation isn't dead but it is down, thanks partly to easing
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305 food and energy costs. The latest inflation news came Friday when
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306 the Bureau of Labor Statistics said wholesale prices fell 0.4
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307 percent in July, from June. More good news is expected this
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308 Friday, when BLS will likely say consumer prices rose a scant 0.2
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309 percent last month.
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310 Most economists agree inflation has topped out for now. Their consensus:
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311 consumer prices will rise at a 4 percent to 4.5 percent annual pace in the
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312 second half. Edward Guay, chief economist at insurers CIGNA Corp., expects the
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313 economy will slow enough to keep consumer prices rising at just a 3.5 percent
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314 annual pace for the next year or so.
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315 On Friday the Bureau of Labor Statistics said wholesale prices - what
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316 businesses pay for goods and services - fell in July as: Energy costs dropped
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317 3 percent from June, after a 3.1 percent decline in June from May; food prices
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318 rose just 0.1 percent, after June's 0.8 percent fall; excluding food and
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319 energy costs, wholesale prices fell 0.2 percent in July.
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320 The overall July decline was the sharpest monthly fall in wholesale prices
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321 since a 0.8 percent drop in July 1986. Inflation has tailed off during the
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322 past two months not only because of a slowing in energy and food price
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323 increases, economists say, but also because of the Federal Reserve Board's
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324 policies.
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325
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326 DARMAN TELLS FED TO LOWER RATE:
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327 Richard Darman, director of the Office of Management and Budget, strongly
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328 urged the Federal Reserve to let interest rates drop. Speaking on NBC's "Meet
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329 the Press," Darman told an interviewer it was a fair conclusion that he wanted
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330 rates to fall. He suggested that the Fed had kept too tight a grip on the
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331 money supply for too long.
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332
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333 696969696969696969
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334
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008=Usr:33 Mike Stanfill 08/15/89 01:34 Msg:4237 Call:23296 Lines:63
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335@/*/*/*/*/*/*/*
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336@". ews' ralelk . ieabacage."
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337@Tewrsehe ihebrdhspeetfr and
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338@tenal idess creatures he was likely to be mistaken for: the
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339@irtoal, mischevious, and often deadly *PINK* blancmanges of his own
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340 /*/*/*/*/*/*/*
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341 "... he wasn't *really* a man. He was more like ... like a blancmange."
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342 The words echoed within his mind as he remembered his present form and
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343 the nearly mindless creatures he was likely to be mistaken for: the
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344 irrational, mischevious, and often deadly *PINK* blancmanges of his own
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345 planet, Skyron. Tales were often told of the renegade blancmanges that
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346 transmuted an entire nation over a simple tournament - tales that would
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347 likely be known by the occupants of the building ahead. They'd probably
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348 have sterling, too. It was definitely best to assume another shape.
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349 By the looks of the doorway, most of the beings inside were humanoid.
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350 Perhaps he should become a Scotsman. His body quivered with an inaudible
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351 chuckle. No, his knowledge of Scottish lore was quite limited: a more
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352 nondescript form would do better. Besides, the woolen kilt always came
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353 out itchy and annoyingly short.
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354 Under the moonlight shade of the Rowan tree Swob began to take
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355 the form of a man. As his amorphous body solidified into man-shape, he
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356 decided to add some elvish features (just to keep them guessing). The
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357 night grew cold quickly, and he wondered how humans could stand
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358 maintaining such a high body temperature. He took a half-step toward
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359 the building before he realized it.
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360 'Clothes! I'm going to need clothes!' He thought out his
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361 situation. 'What kind of clothing do you suppose they're wearing in
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362 there?' Thinking a peer in the window was imprudent, he took his best
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363 guess at a "medeival" look. 'Let's see: shoes - no boots! Kinda suedy.
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364 Blue, no grey: charcoal grey boots with those wide-brim tops that fold
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365 over. Umm, pants - kinda heavy-duty, um, light grey - drawstring waist,
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366 tucked into the boots.' He hurried as he felt his power waning. His
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367 shirt was a loose-fitting pirate-style, though considerably thicker,
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368 also grey. He thought velour would be nice - too late - he got velour
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369 with no fuzz. He spent most of his remaining power fashioning a heavy
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370 woolen vest that hung a little past his waist in front and back, with
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371 a hole in the top for his head - fastened down with a wide belt. The
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372 vest was charcoal as well, but speckled with both lighter and darker
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373 points, and sporting in royal-purple a Greek cross that would have looked
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374 lke a plus sign except for the widely flared ends. His remaining
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375 energy was only enough for a thin, dark cloak that almost blew away in
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376 the night's wind. He fastened it about his neck with a small clasp
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377 from the pack he normally carried within his body, but now hefted about
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378 awkwardly as he adjusted to this unaccustomed shape.
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379 "Not even enough for a hat," he muttered as he strode toward the
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380 oaken door at the front of the building. He made haste getting inside
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381 and shutting the door behind him, still a bit chilled from his direct
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382 contact with the night air. He shifted his weight back and forth, trying
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383 to find a comfortable stance while he surveyed the interior. A man
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384 sitting on a barstool caught his attention. 'Isn't that a T-shirt he's
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385 wearing? and blue jeans? and aren't those acrylic ...'
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386 Socks! He'd forgotten undergarments again! No wonder this form
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387 seemed even more uncomfortable than usual. But with his transmuting
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388 power well below the "E" it would be some time before he could fashion
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389 even these. 'Oh, well, just have to make due, get something to eat. Hope
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390 I remembered to pack some precious metals.' For whatever other qualities
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391 he had, he was a bit absent-minded ...
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392
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393 "I think they should continue the policy of not giving a Nobel _
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394 Prize for paneling." /#)
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395 -Jack Handey, "Deep Thoughts" n n n (#/
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396 / ~~~ ~~~ \/
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397 */*/*/*/*/*/*/ -swob (a Self-Willed Orange Blancmange) /___/____\__\
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009=Usr:371 The Adherent 08/16/89 03:51 Msg:4238 Call:23321 Lines:3
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398 ^H^ ^H^
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399 The flying H'es were here
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400
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010=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/16/89 16:32 Msg:4239 Call:23328 Lines:7
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401 &*&*&*&*'s
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402 Again I lurk. I'm hoping to do some story writing soon. Unfortunetly I'm
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403 having trouble getting computer time outside of work. Should be clearing
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404 up soon though.
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405
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406 An Astral Dreamer
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407 &*&*&*&*'s
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011=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 08/17/89 00:22 Msg:4240 Call:23339 Lines:85
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408 ......................................................
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409 She had paniced at the approach of the others. It had suddenly occurred to her
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410 that she did not know her appearance to others. She remembered enough of her
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411 self to know that she had very little control of the form a materialization
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412 would take. If the other two had somehow recognized her, before she could get
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413 the Plan in motion, it could jeapordize the entire mission. She had to remind
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414 herself that she had to be more self-less this time, for much was at stake.
|
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415 As the door of in in slammed behind her, she hoped that Friar would understand,
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416 and follow. As she paused to enjoy the deja vu, she thought she glimpsed a
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417 mostly naked human dressing itself off in the trees, but it either was her
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418 imagination, or it was doing a good job of hiding itself, for she saw no other
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419 trace of it now. Where am I going? she asked herself. And where can I find
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||
420 a mirror.
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421 ........................................................
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422
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423 696969696969
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424 DEBATE - DONATING ORGANS OF DYING BABIES USA TODAY'S OPI
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425 State laws should allow organ transplants from infants with anencephaly -
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||
426 a fatal condition in which infants are born virtually without a brain - when
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427 their parents approve. If parents like Baby Gabriel's want to help other
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428 babies live, they should be able to. If we can salvage life from death, then
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429 we must do it.
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430 OTHER VIEWS:
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431 FERN SCHUMER CHAPMAN, free-lance writer: It will take decades and bold and
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432 sensitive leadership to develop a new moral code to replace the old one which
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433 evolved over centuries. These issues demand a definition of life, of death,
|
||
434 and, at the same time, a delineation of the limit of health care in America.
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435 PETER B. GEMMA JR., contributing editor to Conservative Digest: The
|
||
436 gruesome debate over harvesting human organs from dying infants is back. The
|
||
437 timeless and morally inspiring Hippocratic Oath instructs aspiring physicians
|
||
438 to "exercise your art solely for the cure of your patients and give no drug,
|
||
439 perform no operation, for a criminal purpose, even if solicited, far less
|
||
440 suggested."
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||
441 DRS. DONALD MEDEARIS, Massachusetts General Hospital, and LEWIS HOLMES,
|
||
442 Brigham and Women's Hospital: "We believe that the weight of medical evidence
|
||
443 and ethical and practical arguments strongly favor retaining current law."
|
||
444 BRENDA WINNER, mother of anencephalic daughter: "We're not saying all
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||
445 anencephalics should have their organs donated. We're asking that parents have
|
||
446 the choice."
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||
447 DETROIT, Ulysses Newkirk, 45, buyer: "If a child is born and classified as
|
||
448 dead, then that child should not be made to suffer anymore. If God chooses a
|
||
449 child to die, it should die. But it is the parents' responsibility to take
|
||
450 their religious and medical views into perspective and decide whether to
|
||
451 donate the baby's organs."
|
||
452 POWELL, TENN., Alice Thompson, 61, retired assistant manager: "I can't see
|
||
453 taking a baby's organs when the baby is not completely dead. I don't feel that
|
||
454 it's right. Parents with a child born like that have enough pain in their
|
||
455 lives without having their babies kept alive artificially just to use their
|
||
456 organs for transplants. ..."
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||
457
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458 INSURANCE INDUSTRY IN TROUBLE:-8/16/89
|
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459 Consumers, corporate executives and lawmakers are blasting insurers for
|
||
460 everything from profiteering to an unseemly attitude of arrogance and
|
||
461 insensitivity, reports the Aug. 21 issue of Business Week. "We're being
|
||
462 besieged. It's a holocaust that's going on," says Robert E. Vagley of the
|
||
463 American Insurance Association.
|
||
464 Insurance customers are rebelling, reports Business Week magazine.
|
||
465 Proposition 103 fever is spreading, with up to 10 similar voter initiatives
|
||
466 possible in 1990, and 300 insurance reform bills introduced in state
|
||
467 legislatures. "We've largely ignored and mistreated our customers," concedes
|
||
468 Leslie Cheek III of Crum and Forster Insurance Co.
|
||
469 The insurance industry's political clout is crumbling, reports Business
|
||
470 Week magazine. State legislators and insurance commissioners, once in the
|
||
471 industry's pocket, are more independent and even adversarial. "They're (the
|
||
472 insurance industry) losing control of their destiny," says Bruce A. Bunner of
|
||
473 accounting firm KPMG Peat Marwick and former California insurance commissioner.
|
||
474 Some insurance markets face possible government takeover, reports Business
|
||
475 Week magazine. The auto and health markets have become so dysfuctional, with
|
||
476 millions unable to afford coverage, that these markets are being increasingly
|
||
477 assumed by state and federal agencies. Insurance consultant Barbara J.
|
||
478 Lautzenheiser predicts "a real tendency toward socialization of all insurance."
|
||
479 The insurance industry cartel is dying, reports Business Week magazine.
|
||
480 Competition has become vicious. Soft markets in which insurers often lose
|
||
481 money underpricing each other are more protracted while hard markets are
|
||
482 briefer, say industry analysts. Critics are seeking ot abolish insurers'
|
||
483 antitrust immunity, which could make competition even worse.
|
||
484 Insurers' financial health is deteriorating, reports Business Week
|
||
485 magazine. "There will almost certainly be a major shakeout, major insolvencies
|
||
486 and financial dislocations," says Robert H. Moore of Alexander and Alexander.
|
||
487 Life insurers also face shrinkage. While they have mostly escaped the image
|
||
488 tarnishing, their profits are under severe, if not irreversable pressure.
|
||
489
|
||
490 s&l's, then HUD, next insurance.....
|
||
491 696969696969696969
|
||
492
|
||
012=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/17/89 08:01 Msg:4241 Call:23344 Lines:14
|
||
493 &*&*&*&*'s
|
||
494 Why don't we try the trickle up theory? You know, give big breaks and money
|
||
495 to poor people. The theory being that they will spend it, the causing the
|
||
496 money to trickle up to the rich.
|
||
497
|
||
498 If you think about it it makes sense. Rich people are much more likely to hoard
|
||
499 money then poor people. Poor people can't afford to hoard money. So why not
|
||
500 give them a chance to atleast see some of the billions of dollars we give
|
||
501 to the rich in various subsidies (Defense,HUD etc). Of course the money will
|
||
502 all end up in the same hands evenutally.
|
||
503
|
||
504 An Astral Dreamer
|
||
505 &*&*&*&*'s
|
||
506
|
||
013=Usr:507 todd rogers 08/17/89 22:17 Msg:4242 Call:23352 Lines:6
|
||
507 ------- Hi all long time no call... for me that is.
|
||
508 ------- seems to be some pretty heavy stuff on the board now
|
||
509 ------- and some interesting stories going on.
|
||
510 ------- I'm going to give writing a try here soon
|
||
511 ------- and when I do I'll upload it here in parts
|
||
512 ------- See ya'll soon.....
|
||
014=Usr:219 Friar Mossback 08/18/89 07:16 Msg:4243 Call:23359 Lines:23
|
||
513
|
||
514 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
|
||
515 "We have met before...I remember a pool, and some darkness." Her words still
|
||
516 stung in my ears, when some vagrants approached and asked for a meal. I did
|
||
517 not want to be interrupted, as she was saying something about wrongs to be
|
||
518 set right. As I turned back to her, to ask her what wrongs she was referring
|
||
519 to, she was gone!
|
||
520 "Well, what about it?" said the vagabond.
|
||
521 "Help yourself, and leave the dishes for the barkeep. He'll know what to do
|
||
522 with them."
|
||
523 At that moment, I heard the outer door slam. She must have gone outside.
|
||
524 What was her name? Kaitlyn? No, that was the name of the cute little
|
||
525 trollop who cleaned tables once a week to pay for her tuition with the mages.
|
||
526 Kathryn? No, that was the singer at the cabaret in town. I was sure I was
|
||
527 on the right track though. Kate? Hmmm.
|
||
528 I decided to follow, and slipped my hood up before I went out into the night.
|
||
529 As I was doing so, the door burst open and a man I hadn't seen before, with
|
||
530 slightly elvin features, practically leaped through.
|
||
531 "Keep your brass monkeys indoors tonight, folks!" he shouted, to all and to
|
||
532 no one.
|
||
533 Even though I had never seen him, I knew him somehow, and I was sure trouble
|
||
534 was ahead. I went out in search of it.
|
||
535 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Friar [][][][][][][]][][][][][][][][][][][][]
|
||
015=Usr:352 Katie Kolbet 08/18/89 10:26 Msg:4244 Call:23363 Lines:16
|
||
536 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
|
||
537 The whole scene had passed before her, just out of the book. It was only then
|
||
538 she remembered holding the book. Finding the place where she was now, she
|
||
539 attempted to read ahead and find out what would happen next. The words
|
||
540 were not there! She saw the girl leave the table, then the man. A
|
||
541 vagabond had come in and began to eat the food. Evidently no one saw her,
|
||
542 or knew of her existence. Perhaps she had to say something. Yet, even as
|
||
543 she tried to speak, words would not form. Mute, and suddenly lonely, she
|
||
544 walked outside the inn. The cool air shocked her system, but she pulled her
|
||
545 cloak around her. Cloak? Where had that come from? She closed the book,
|
||
546 losing her place, and found herself back at home. In a fruitless effort,
|
||
547 she reopened the precious pages, only to find herself somewhere else...
|
||
548 A tree formed in front of her, and a creature by it was slowly changing shape.
|
||
549 Now what?.............
|
||
550 +++++++++++++++++Kaitlyn
|
||
551 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
|
||
016=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 08/18/89 12:12 Msg:4245 Call:23366 Lines:82
|
||
552 696969696969
|
||
553 DEBATE - CALLER ID USA TODAY'S OPINION:
|
||
554 If enough callers want to block the display of their numbers, phone
|
||
555 companies should give them that option, too. Those with call identification
|
||
556 won't have to answer them. That's the power call identification can give us.
|
||
557 It will provide us a remedy for the millions of sick and annoying calls that
|
||
558 now ring into our homes anonymously every year.
|
||
559 OTHER VIEWS:
|
||
560 DANIEL CLEARFIELD, Pennsylvania's senior assistant consumer advocate:
|
||
561 Caller ID service is an example of the two-edged sword many technological
|
||
562 advances represent. If phone companies want to offer Caller ID, they should be
|
||
563 required to provide a means to block the transmission of a telephone number
|
||
564 when a caller has a need to maintain his or her privacy.
|
||
565 JUDY MARKEY, columnist for the Chicago Sun-Times and North America
|
||
566 Syndicate: This isn't Call Screening. This is Call Revenge. This is Call
|
||
567 Fabulous. Because no one will ever again get through and make you sorry that
|
||
568 you picked up the phone.
|
||
569 ELI NOAM, N.Y. public service commissioner: "Doctors, lawyers, everybody
|
||
570 stands to lose control over unlisted phone numbers."
|
||
571 GARY MARX, MIT sociology professor: "Anonymity has positive as well as
|
||
572 negative consequences."
|
||
573 JAMES W. CARRIGAN, New Jersey Bell: "The word is out: People now have the
|
||
574 ability to see the phone number of the caller, and many would-be obscene
|
||
575 callers are afraid to mess around on the telephone."
|
||
576
|
||
577 STUDENTS MUST TAKE DRUG TEST:-8/17/89
|
||
578 Students of Mississippi's Indianola Academy high school report to class
|
||
579 Thursday facing a new entrance exam - mandatory drug tests. And in Homewood-
|
||
580 Flossmoor High School near Chicago, all students in interscholastic activities
|
||
581 - like athletics and the marching band - will be tested for drugs. Experts say
|
||
582 schools are watching the programs as a guide for their own plans.
|
||
583
|
||
584 UPS USES NATURAL GAS IN TEST:-8/17/89
|
||
585 United Parcel Service and Brooklyn Union Gas Co. began a two-year
|
||
586 alternative-fuel project Wednesday, making UPS the first private
|
||
587 transportation company to use natural gas as a vehicle fuel in New York City.
|
||
588 The city has been identified by the Environmental Protection Agency as having
|
||
589 the nation's second-worst air pollution problem, behind Los Angeles.
|
||
590 A two-year alternative-fuel project between United Parcel Service and
|
||
591 Brooklyn Union Gas Co. will involve 10 UPS "package cars" to operate in
|
||
592 Brooklyn, N.Y. A preliminary test on a converted UPS car shows that natural
|
||
593 gas produced 85 percent less carbon monoxide than gasoline and 25 percent less
|
||
594 nitrogen oxide. Mileage was 12 percent better.
|
||
595
|
||
596 ARCO SELLS GAS REPLACEMENT:
|
||
597 ARCO will introduce a replacement for leaded gasoline next month in
|
||
598 Southern California that could reduce smog from older vehicles by up to 20
|
||
599 percent, company officials said Tuesday. ARCO will stop selling regular leaded
|
||
600 fuel and start selling the new gasoline, called EC-1, on Sept. 1. The new gas
|
||
601 will be sold to dealers at the same price as leaded gas.
|
||
602 ARCO's new leaded-gasoline replacement being introduced in Southern
|
||
603 California is called EC-1, an acronym for emission control. It uses a methanol
|
||
604 derivative called methyl tertiary butyl ether, MTBE, to boost its octane. MTBE
|
||
605 adds oxygen to the gasoline, creates a leaner fuel mixture and leads to fewer
|
||
606 emissions. It also contains 50 percent less benzene, a cancer-causing additive.
|
||
607 FUEL CONSERVATION BEST:-8/17/89
|
||
608 Investing in conservation yields a greater economic return than switching
|
||
609 fuels, says a report Wednesday by the Consumer Energy Council of America
|
||
610 Research Foundation. The report compares 24 different energy investments to
|
||
611 putting money in the bank. Copies can be obtained for $1.50 each by sending a
|
||
612 check or money order to CECA/RF, 2000 L St. N.W., Suite 802, Washington, D.C.
|
||
613 20036.
|
||
614 A report Wednesday by the Consumer Energy Council of America Research
|
||
615 Foundation that compares conservation to switching fuels finds that:
|
||
616 conservation investments pay between three and eight times as much as putting
|
||
617 money in the bank; fuel switching might yield losses or at most meager
|
||
618 returns; if a new furnace or boiler is needed, low-efficiency equipment is a
|
||
619 terrible investment.
|
||
620 IMPORTS SUPPLY OVER HALF DEMAND:-8/17/89
|
||
621 For the first time in a dozen years, imported oil supplied more than half
|
||
622 the U.S. petroleum demand in July, according to the American Petroleum
|
||
623 Institute. Reason: slowed production from Alaska's aging fields. API reported
|
||
624 total imports of crude oil and refined products averaged 8.5 million barrels a
|
||
625 day, or 50.4 percent of U.S. deliveries.
|
||
626 Imports declined in the early 1980s as production from Alaska oilfields
|
||
627 grew and were only 31.5 percent of total usage in 1985, when they averaged 4.9
|
||
628 million barrels a day. The American Petroleum Institute says the highest year-
|
||
629 long percentage for imports was 47.7 percent in 1977. For the first seven
|
||
630 months of 1989, imports averaged 46.2 percent.
|
||
631
|
||
632 696969696969696969
|
||
633
|
||
017=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/19/89 10:08 Msg:4246 Call:23387 Lines:7
|
||
634 &*&*&*&*'s
|
||
635
|
||
636 Another lurk. where have all the free hours gone?
|
||
637
|
||
638 An Astral Dreamer
|
||
639 &*&*&*&*'s
|
||
640
|
||
018=Usr:33 Mike Stanfill 08/19/89 14:02 Msg:4247 Call:23393 Lines:37
|
||
641 /*/*/*/*/*/*/*
|
||
642 "Brass monkeys????" Swob wondered to himself, "whatever possessed me to
|
||
643 say that?" Perhaps his recent concern over alloys and similar, non-rational
|
||
644 beings had manifested themselves in this human form, just as his need for
|
||
645 sustenance had become a swirling, warm sensation in his belly. The sen-
|
||
646 sation became deeper and more widespread as he considered the possibility
|
||
647 that he had picked up personality traits of former inhabitants while
|
||
648 transmuting under the Rowan tree. This place was full of magick (at least
|
||
649 tonight), and that was scary enough without strange phrases erupting from
|
||
650 his mind.
|
||
651 The place was bustling with activity. The woman he'd seen leave the
|
||
652 building earlier (had she seen him?) was soon followed by a man who looked
|
||
653 like a monk, though certainly not Orthodox. Imagining what he would look
|
||
654 like through blancmange eyes, he knew he had seen him before. He turned
|
||
655 and smiled in a gesture of friendship, but the man was already out the door.
|
||
656 And who was that girl who'd surprised him out by the tree? Quietest
|
||
657 stalker he'd ever not heard. Bad enough to forget clothing, even worse
|
||
658 that someone had *seen* him - a female no less. He wasn't sure how much
|
||
659 of his present colour was due to cold, and how much to embarassment. He'd
|
||
660 tipped the hat he didn't have, taken a long bow and started toward the door.
|
||
661 It wasn't polite to speak first in the presence of royalty...
|
||
662
|
||
663 (It wasn't polite to leave either, but in his embarassment and chill he
|
||
664 forgot this)
|
||
665
|
||
666 "I don't even know what a brass monkey *is*..." -me
|
||
667
|
||
668 "I guess I kinda lost control, because in the middle of the play I ran up
|
||
669 and lit the evil puppet villain on fire.
|
||
670 No, I didn't. Just kidding. I just said that to help illustrate one
|
||
671 of the human emotions, which is freaking out. Another emotion is greed,
|
||
672 as when you kill someone for money, or something like that. Another
|
||
673 emotion is generosity, as when you pay someone double what he paid _
|
||
674 for his stupid puppet." /#)
|
||
675 -Jack Handey, "Deep Thoughts" n n n (#/
|
||
676 / ~~~ ~~~ \/
|
||
677 */*/*/*/*/*/*/ -swob (a Self-Willed Orange Blancmange) /___/____\__\
|
||
019=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/19/89 17:39 Msg:4248 Call:23397 Lines:8
|
||
678 &*&*&*&*'s
|
||
679 A really short SF story follows.
|
||
680
|
||
681 "Killer Space plauge! Ack!" Thud.
|
||
682
|
||
683 An Astral Dreamer
|
||
684 &*&*&*&*'s
|
||
685
|
||
020=Usr:272 Talos 08/20/89 00:10 Msg:4249 Call:23404 Lines:15
|
||
686 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
|
||
687 There can only be one.
|
||
688 And the original has returned!
|
||
689
|
||
690 Its........
|
||
691
|
||
692 __________ ___ ___
|
||
693 / / \ \ / /
|
||
694 /___ ____/ \ \ / /
|
||
695 / / \ \ / /
|
||
696 / /alos \ /alheru
|
||
697 / / \ /
|
||
698 /_/ \_/
|
||
699
|
||
700 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
|
||
021=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/20/89 17:10 Msg:4250 Call:23414 Lines:8
|
||
701 &*&*&*&*'s
|
||
702
|
||
703 Short SF story two. (In verse.)
|
||
704 A molten spot upon the sun. It explodes, mankinds storys done.
|
||
705
|
||
706 An Astral Dreamer
|
||
707 &*&*&*&*'s
|
||
708
|
||
022=Usr:352 Katie Kolbet 08/20/89 17:30 Msg:4251 Call:23415 Lines:6
|
||
709 She glanced at the strange creature. It seemed to resemble something human,
|
||
710 and clothes seemed to appear from its own skin. The woman and the man were
|
||
711 nowhere in sight, so she decided to follow the road leading away from the inn.
|
||
712 Her book gave her no clues, but, in the adventurous spirit, she headed on....
|
||
713 +++Kaitlyn++++
|
||
714 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++
|
||
023=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/21/89 15:05 Msg:4252 Call:23432 Lines:7
|
||
715 &*&*&*&*'s
|
||
716 Friar, the package is ready. Get in touch with Milch to arrange for
|
||
717 transference.
|
||
718
|
||
719 An Astral Dreamer
|
||
720 &*&*&*&*'s
|
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721
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024=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock 08/21/89 22:09 Msg:4253 Call:23440 Lines:1
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722 off
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025=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock 08/22/89 10:14 Msg:4254 Call:23453 Lines:52
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723 :::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::====
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724 The Cloaked Man had not moved since his escapade with the beggar some time
|
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725 before. Already, the dawning of the Second Triad had occurred, and the Stone
|
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726 Triangle bore silent witness to the coming and going of another segment in the
|
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727 neverending cycle of Pyrrix Aaal.
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728 Quietly, the Cloaked Man stared up at the Triangle, as if cataloging each
|
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729 crack, each impurity that ran along the marble. His eyes moved along almost
|
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730 randomly, searching the stone for some missing element that seemed to hide
|
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731 from his gaze.
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732 Then, at the exact moment when the second moon passed behind the Triangle
|
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733 of Stone, his eyes flashed a gleam of understandin. Hurriedly, with hands
|
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734 almost quivering with what might have been a mixture of excitement and fear,
|
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735 he fumbled about in a large pocket on the inside of his cloak, and brought
|
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736 forth two small devices. The first, a gleaming rod of golden metal, he
|
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737 twisted in his hands, until the larger end, at the top, extended outwards on a
|
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738 smaller rod of glass. Within the blown, twisting structure, tiny beads of
|
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739 light swirled and swayed, darting up and down the length of the rod with a
|
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740 rhythmic, pulsating heartbeat that was almost hypnotic in its intensity.
|
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741 "Ah." the metallic voice whispered, a hint of satisfactiontingingits
|
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742 somber tone. "Perfect.. He's left the Inn... AND the field." He twisted a
|
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743 small circlet of glass set into the base of the rod. "Probability is stable,
|
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744 line is established."
|
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745 His thin fingers danced over a small set of four buttons, and the air was
|
||
746 filled with a burning smell, like rubber and asphalt. A crackling hum
|
||
747 resounded from the surface of the Stone Triangle, and a green cloud began to
|
||
748 swirl around the being of the Cloaked Man.
|
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749 "It begins, and ends." he muttered, and his dry voice drifted through the
|
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750 eternal night of the Networks.
|
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751
|
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752
|
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753 Outside the Inn, a somewhat stout individual approached a country road,
|
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754 as if searching for something on the gray horizon. His eyes, lost in their
|
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755 ponderings, failed to notice a billowing thunderhead in the distance growing
|
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756 closer, as if pulled by unseen strings across the distant ocean, until the
|
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757 cloud was almost directly overhead.
|
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758 With a sound and scent of cannon fire, a wid of tremendous force
|
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759 whipped against the helpless being, who stepped backwards, attempting to gain
|
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760 his bearings enough to retreat back to the Inn.
|
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761 bBefore he could, however, a thin ray of golden light erupted from tthe
|
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762 base of the cloud, slinking downwards to the ground, where it scorched the
|
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763 moss that covered the thin, rounded stones that covered the walkway that led
|
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764 to the large brick building in the near distance.
|
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765 Just as before, the Cloaked Man rode the light to the ground, where a wave
|
||
766 of his hand abruptly stopped the winds and distant thunder.
|
||
767 "Friar..." he muttered, his voice one of ashes and decay, just as it had
|
||
768 been when he whispered those words in the filthy alleyway where he had arrived
|
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769 on this world.
|
||
770 "For crimes against my world," he said, easing a small, nearly invisible
|
||
771 line of inky blackness from his other hand. "I am to Judge, to Carry Out, and
|
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772 to Execute."
|
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773
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774 :::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::==Zephyr::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::====
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026=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/22/89 13:06 Msg:4255 Call:23455 Lines:38
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775 &*&*&*&*'s
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776
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777 'The lines a thin one.'
|
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778 Morton noted looking down at the open box.
|
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779
|
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780 'True, but it should have no trouble carrying the current. After all, the
|
||
781 sonnel built to last.'
|
||
782
|
||
783 'As you say.'
|
||
784
|
||
785 Bending down Morton examined the line again more closely. Any break would
|
||
786 be devastating. After a moment he was as sure as he could be.
|
||
787
|
||
788 'Are you ready?' He asked his companion.
|
||
789
|
||
790 'Yes.'
|
||
791
|
||
792 'Then here we go.' So saying, he closed the box and stepped back. It would
|
||
793 only be moments now.
|
||
794
|
||
795 time...
|
||
796
|
||
797 'It doesn't seem to be working.'
|
||
798
|
||
799 'Indeed. It looks as if our quest is off to a bad start.'
|
||
800
|
||
801 'Perhaps. But we do have other options.'
|
||
802
|
||
803 Morton nodded. 'Yes, you are right. I had hoped to avoid that option,
|
||
804 but it appears I am forced into it nonetheless.'
|
||
805
|
||
806 'Should we take the box?'
|
||
807
|
||
808 'Yes, It has other uses.'
|
||
809
|
||
810 An Astral Dreamer
|
||
811 &*&*&*&*'s
|
||
812
|
||
027=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 08/24/89 21:31 Msg:4256 Call:23468 Lines:3
|
||
813 Hmm,
|
||
814 BackWater has been dead for two days and nobody said anything.
|
||
815 ---------------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
028=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock 08/24/89 21:48 Msg:4257 Call:23470 Lines:1
|
||
816 HOW CLEVER!
|
||
029=Usr:13 voyeur 08/25/89 00:23 Msg:4258 Call:23478 Lines:4
|
||
817 ::::::::O O::::::08/25/89::::::::::::::::::::::::::::00:27:46:::::O O::::::::::
|
||
818 > BackWater has been dead for two days and nobody said anything.
|
||
819 Exactly! BackWater has been dead for two days and nobody *could* say anything!
|
||
820 ::::::::O O:::::::::::::::::::::voyeur::::::::::::::::::::::::::::O O::::::::::
|
||
030=Usr:385 Steve Culliton 08/25/89 00:52 Msg:4259 Call:23479 Lines:3
|
||
821 ++++++++++++++++++++++++================================++++++++++++++++++
|
||
822 Is "Copylink" still available?
|
||
823 ++++++++++++++++++++++++================================++++++++++++++++++
|
||
031=Usr:272 Talos 08/25/89 00:59 Msg:4260 Call:23480 Lines:8
|
||
824@<*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><
|
||
825 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
|
||
826 So tell me before I go off on a story of my own, is there a reserved status on
|
||
827 the board fo rthe current story line? I don't wanna step on anyone's shoes, ya
|
||
828 know? L8r again,
|
||
829
|
||
830 Talos Valheru
|
||
831 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
|
||
032=Usr:4 Milchar 08/25/89 13:19 Msg:4261 Call:23494 Lines:6
|
||
832 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
|
||
833 I was-a gonna call you tonight if it had remained down. What
|
||
834 happened? Offhand, I can't think of anything that would cause
|
||
835 BWMS II to not answer the phone at all (Not even a Trying to connect
|
||
836 to BWMS message), except power failure AND a disk error of some sort.
|
||
837 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Milch +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
|
||
033=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/25/89 20:08 Msg:4262 Call:23501 Lines:27
|
||
838 &*&*&*&*'s
|
||
839 Talos, write what you will. I don't think people will mind. (How about that
|
||
840 story you started a few months ago?)
|
||
841
|
||
842 Some roads are less pleasent then others. The one via the line and the
|
||
843 box would have been easy. Perhaps thats why it didn't work. Morton was
|
||
844 carefull to pack the device properly. Caution leads to long life in these
|
||
845 cases.
|
||
846
|
||
847 Morton examined Obrut carefully and decided that the chair was
|
||
848 already overloaded. He would have to carry this burden. 'Come along Obrut,
|
||
849 Our destiny awaits!'
|
||
850
|
||
851 'More likely our death.'
|
||
852
|
||
853 'be quite familiar and follow me.'
|
||
854
|
||
855 Much can be said for having a chair as a familiar. It has four legs,
|
||
856 is inconspicuos when not moving and can be used for it's fundamental
|
||
857 purpose when one grows tired.
|
||
858
|
||
859 Doors and windows secured, Morton and Obrut walked down the road to
|
||
860 Yeladad.
|
||
861
|
||
862 An Astral Dreamer
|
||
863 &*&*&*&*'s
|
||
864
|
||
034=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 08/25/89 21:14 Msg:4263 Call:23502 Lines:13
|
||
865 .............................................
|
||
866 She looked over her shoulder, and could see she was being followed. She was
|
||
867 not ready to be seen again...yet. The trees were tall, and the shadows deep.
|
||
868 She knew somehow that the pool was near by, but where? And what would she do
|
||
869 when she got there? Besides, of course, the obvious. What form had she taken
|
||
870 this time? Was she pretty? Did she have a healthy body, or would it be
|
||
871 withered and worn as it was at the time of the... Her thoughts were suddenly
|
||
872 interrupted by the crack of a small branch being stepped on. She could tell it
|
||
873 was the one called Friar, but now she could see others approaching. Were they
|
||
874 following him? And to what end? He had said all were friends at the Inn. Did
|
||
875 that extend to the outside world? No time to learn now, she thought.
|
||
876 ..............................................
|
||
877
|
||
035=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 08/25/89 21:32 Msg:4264 Call:23503 Lines:11
|
||
878 **************************************************************************
|
||
879 Yes, Copylink is still available. You can obtain it through
|
||
880 Day Research P.O. Box 22902 Milwaukie Oregon 97222
|
||
881 For more information you can send to that address for a flyer.
|
||
882
|
||
883 BW dead: It was the result of a power hit and subsequent modem heart
|
||
884 failure. The modem has since been brought back to life.
|
||
885 It would have been fixed earlier, but I've been rather busy the last week
|
||
886 or so and have not had much time to spare for important issues like
|
||
887 babysitting BWMS. Ah well, it's working now, that's what is important.
|
||
888 ****************************** CM ****************************************
|
||
036=Usr:387 MIKE DAVIDSON 08/26/89 11:04 Msg:4265 Call:23516 Lines:8
|
||
889 O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O
|
||
890 IS THIS TIRED OLD BBS STILL AROUND? GOD, I THINK WE MUST BE SETTING
|
||
891 SOME KIND OF LONG-TIME UP BBS RECORD HERE. SO...HOW MANY YEARS
|
||
892 HAS IT BEEN FOR BWMS? OR.. BWMS II AS I BELIEVE IT IS CALLED
|
||
893 NOW.
|
||
894 I see the first-year philosophy majors are exercising their
|
||
895 keyboards...
|
||
896 O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O
|
||
037=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/26/89 20:29 Msg:4266 Call:23525 Lines:20
|
||
897 &*&*&*&*'s
|
||
898
|
||
899 As Heinlein once said (More or less, and through one of his characters.)
|
||
900 'Philosophers never let facts get in the way of the truth.' A good
|
||
901 philosopher is meerly an historian of philosophy. The fact that he or she
|
||
902 can regurgitate things said in the past does not impress me. The difference
|
||
903 between Philosophy and Sophistry is really just about nil from the point of
|
||
904 view of the reciever fo `enlightenment'. The only difference is in the
|
||
905 motivation.
|
||
906
|
||
907 All this means to me is that one man/womans opinion is as valuable as
|
||
908 anothers. Quoting Hume, Socrates or Dworkin to support ones point of view is
|
||
909 no different in reality then quoting anybody else talking about life and
|
||
910 its meaning.
|
||
911
|
||
912 Deeper meaning often just means that you are a deeper fool.
|
||
913
|
||
914 An Astral Dreamer
|
||
915 &*&*&*&*'s
|
||
916
|
||
038=Usr:53 prince dragon 08/26/89 21:02 Msg:4267 Call:23527 Lines:7
|
||
917 .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. prince dragon .-=-.-=-.etc...
|
||
918 to tiger:
|
||
919 my landline is still down, sorry about not seeing you today 89.08.23.13:00
|
||
920 if you could call telco and ask them to fix ,tnx
|
||
921 reply here as agora is at this time down also(modem is there but no system)
|
||
922 mycoys *
|
||
923 .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.
|
||
039=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock 08/26/89 23:00 Msg:4268 Call:23531 Lines:1
|
||
924 PROFOUND WORDS!
|
||
040=Usr:29 The Bard 08/27/89 19:47 Msg:4269 Call:23543 Lines:10
|
||
925 SWOB:
|
||
926 Hate to tell you this, but multivalued logic systems have been around
|
||
927 for a long time. They no more destroy the basis of logic, than using a base
|
||
928 other than 10 destroys the basis of arithmetic.
|
||
929 Also "This sentence is false" is not a paradox in *any* logic system!
|
||
930 There's usually a chapter on this sor of thing in any good book on symbolic
|
||
931 logic. The only way it looks like a paradox is if you confuse the langauge
|
||
932 and the meta-language. If that doesn't mean anything, get a book on logic.
|
||
933 (I know that Copi's book covers it!)
|
||
934 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~BARD~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|
||
041=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 08/27/89 21:29 Msg:4270 Call:23546 Lines:31
|
||
935 *_)@*%)_#@*%_)@*)_!~(%_+!)%+_)%+#(*^_)#*^_+)(%_+@)%_+@)%@_+%(*#$_*^!+#_%(@_+~%(
|
||
936
|
||
937 The party's over
|
||
938 The evening's done
|
||
939 The tape is copied
|
||
940 Let's have some fun?
|
||
941
|
||
942 Friar, please let me know when you receive the goods. I want to make sure a hot
|
||
943 game or moria or nethack or qix doesn't get in the way of the completion of the
|
||
944 business transaction.
|
||
945
|
||
946 All who came: Twas fun, let's do it again sometime in the next 6 months.
|
||
947
|
||
948 *_*%_#)@%_)#%*()_@(%)_@^*)@_%^*!@%@% L'homme sans Parity *%@_)*_)@#%_)@*%(*@)_#
|
||
949
|
||
950 ===================----------------==================-----------------=========
|
||
951 Hey, I don't know why some people don't like the news bulletins on here! I
|
||
952 think they are great. I mean jeez, I get on this system to read stories and
|
||
953 debates, and instead I get rehashed stuff from USA Today! Why wouldn't I be
|
||
954 thrilled? I really think they are great! Once you really put your mind to it,
|
||
955 you too can convince that reading something that one person wrote and then
|
||
956 another person transcribes here is much better than reading original thoughts,
|
||
957 comments, stories, and so forth.
|
||
958
|
||
959 What would you rather read anyway? A nifty multiple authored story written by
|
||
960 a bunch of interesting people having a good old time, or thrown-up news
|
||
961 uploaded by someone who obviously just doesn't care?
|
||
962
|
||
963 I know what my vote is.
|
||
964 --------------------=============== Charitable ==============----------========
|
||
965
|
||
042=Usr:379 Phoenix Polymorp 08/27/89 22:14 Msg:4271 Call:23548 Lines:11
|
||
966 Check feed.....
|
||
967 All links ok.....
|
||
968 Give me a count....3......2.....1.....Que logo...Stand by Controll....
|
||
969
|
||
970 THIS IS WORLD WATCH THREE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>27/AUG/89
|
||
971 This is Phoenix Polymorph, live and direct from the Wilsonville Banzai
|
||
972 Institute. All is quiet on the news front now, but we're going to change all
|
||
973 that. News flashes as we fabricate it.
|
||
974 ^P
|
||
975 WWIII>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
|
||
976 Drop link...
|
||
043=Usr:219 Friar Mossback 08/28/89 08:13 Msg:4272 Call:23558 Lines:7
|
||
977 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
|
||
978 Sorry, no story entry today. Job interview for new position with the company.
|
||
979 Department Manager. Oooooh. I'm soooooo impressed. I know, but it does
|
||
980 mean an extra $200 or so a month as a token raise, and with spouse out of
|
||
981 work for the baby, every little bit helps.
|
||
982 Will continue Wednesday or so.
|
||
983 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Friar [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
|
||
044=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 08/28/89 16:00 Msg:4273 Call:23564 Lines:16
|
||
984 696969696969
|
||
985 Chemical Analysis
|
||
986
|
||
987 Element : Woman
|
||
988 Symbol : WO
|
||
989 Discoverer : Adam
|
||
990 Quantitative Analysis: Accepted at 36-28-36, though isotopes ranging from
|
||
991 25-10-20 to 60-55-60 have been identified
|
||
992
|
||
993 Occurance: Found wherever man is, but seldom in the highly reactive,
|
||
994 energetic singlet state. Surplus quantities in all urban areas
|
||
995
|
||
996 Physical Properties: Undergoes spontaneous dehydrolysis (weeps) at absolutely
|
||
997 anything. (more on next disk, maybe)
|
||
998
|
||
999 696969696969696969
|