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002=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 08/13/89 19:26 Msg:4231 Call:23268 Lines:3
20 Somebody has to have the last word. If not, every argument could be opposed
21 by another and we'd never be done with it. -- Albert Camus
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003=Usr:115 John Bach 08/13/89 20:55 Msg:4232 Call:23270 Lines:5
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25 Wow!!!!! I'm the first !!! HAHAHAHAHAH :-)
26
27 -- John Bach
004=Usr:4 Milchar 08/13/89 21:25 Msg:4233 Call:23272 Lines:3
28 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
29 Methinks I detected some sneakiness at the bottom of DB... Hummm....
30 ++++++++++ Almost-but-not-quite lurk mode-ing, Milch ++++++++++++++++
005=Usr:33 Mike Stanfill 08/13/89 23:14 Msg:4234 Call:23276 Lines:143
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32 > I think that the word "current" is used strictly as a time reference
33 >and not a state of being. That is, the word is used with the concept of
34 > a moving frame of reference (time).
35
36 OK, I have no problem with belief systems that do not change over
37 time (perhaps the believer has found no reason to change them.)
38
39 > (swob) "A person may of course decide upon either one based upon his best
40 > information. But surely only one can be correct."
41 >
42 > To assume a dicotomy (sp), is to assume a defined state of being.
43
44 Yes: any state of being in which "not true" means "false" and
45 "not false" means "true." Perhaps my meaning was not clear in
46 the quoted material. I said that only one could be true assuming
47 that "just a man in the right place at the right time" meant "NOT
48 the Son of God, but ONLY ..." - which contains the complement of
49 "the Son of God." I'm not saying that Jesus could not have been
50 BOTH or NEITHER. Indeed, if he was the Son of God, it would make
51 sense that He would be a Man in the right place at the right
52 time. If he was NOT the Son of God, it would make sense that he
53 was certainly NOT in the right place at the right time (since the
54 Romans killed him). But he must either be the Son of God or not.
55 If you're saying that I must embrace a view which allows for
56 something to be BOTH true and false or NEITHER true nor false,
57 I'm afraid I cannot imagine such states, and will not allow them
58 in any event.
59
60 > An incorrect perspective would make your answer false,
61 > but you can't really show that either perspective is correct to
62 > begin with.
63
64 I don't deny that I cannot prove that "not true" means "false."
65 On what am I to base my proof? You have eliminated one of the
66 very bases of logic. Indeed, you may eliminate *all* of them with
67 the kind of argument you are using here. You say that I accept
68 the tenets of logic without question? I confess! I do! I
69 know that they are something I have learned - nonetheless I
70 believe them to be true. It's all well and good to try to get
71 around built-up ideas in order to see what they are based on,
72 but if you take away the basis, you have nothing left! To
73 paraphrase: "it is good that the window is transparent, because
74 the landscape beyond it is opaque. If you see through everything,
75 then everything is invisible."
76
77 > So, you really are reduced to "I think, ergo, I Am",
78 > because your conscienceness implies that you must exist first before
79 > you can arrive at that conclusion.
80
81 You forget that you are accepting without question a system of
82 reality in which conciousness implies existance. Never mind
83 that you can't think of another system - you might just not know.
84
85 > You are left with a multitude of
86 > choices; personally I feel that a compromise would best serve
87 > this.
88
89 Between what and what? You have said that the only thing
90 hich can be known is that one exists. Where is the choice
91 in that? To know it or not?
92
93 > You have to assume ALL views before you can be truely
94 > correct.
95
96 Then why are you attempting to correct me? If you assume
97 my view, why argue? Indeed, if you believe that everything
98 other than "I do not exist" is true, what should possess you
99 to post to a bulletin board?
100
101 > Yes, that is all-encompasing and broad, but it's the
102 > only way I'm aware of to compensate for this situation. Funny
103 > thought: I'm using logic in an attempt to describe itself.
104
105 Actually, you are using logic to destroy itself. If you must
106 accept every idea, then you must accept its negation, and if
107 nothing can be determined to be true or false (or even your both
108 or neither), then logic has nothing in which to manifest itself.
109
110 > Redundant, isn't it?;->)
111
112 No. Applying logic to its own basis is not redundant, it is
113 meaningless. Of course the bases of logic are not *!*logical*!*
114 (i.e. following from ideas previously determined to be true); they
115 are the essence of Logic itself - there is nothing below them.
116
117 > (swob) "I think that logic is quite robust, actually. Paradoxes are
118 > nonsense in that they are not logical. "This sentence is
119 > false" does not attack the foundation of logic unless part
120 > of that foundation is that all sentences are logically
121 > coherent."
122 >
123 > Paradoxes ARE logical.
124
125 By the strict definition, SOME paradoxes are logical in that
126 though they *appear* illogical, they may be shown to be true.
127 The paradoxes I was referring to are those which are *inherently*
128 illogical, such as "this sentence is false."
129
130 > But the logic system you must be using
131 > seems to be binary.
132
133 Indeed, it is. I know no other.
134
135 > There are at least FOUR answers: it is true, it is false, it is
136 > BOTH, it is NONE. The fifth: it doesn't matter (actually appling
137 > (sp) applying non-logic and chaos).
138
139 I suppose you can invent your own logical values. I don't
140 suppose anyone's going to listen to you, though.
141
142 > Ponder this, and other multi-
143 > answer logic systems, and you might understand why views are never
144 > always correct (as above).
145
146 Views are then never EVER correct in the sense that most every-
147 one understands 'correct.' Saying 'this is correct' means 'if
148 you happen to subscribe to this logic, then this follows from
149 the axioms.' Which says nothing meaningful. You could have
150 just as easily (wait! much more easily!) made it a self-
151 evident truth (axiom), and it would carry the same weight. You
152 could just as easily counter it by making its complement
153 (complement in my limited, binary sense) a self-evident truth.
154 To hold all views is to hold no view.
155
156 > Any of those five answers can be used
157 > to justify a viewpoint.
158
159 Not convincingly...
160
161 ***For those of you who just read the Handey quotes (you know who
162 you are) ||
163 \/
164 "Memories of my family outings still are a source of strength to me.
165 I remember we'd all pile into the car - I forget what kind it was -
166 and drive and drive, I'm not sure where we'd go, but I think there
167 were some trees there. The smell of something was strong in the
168 air as we played whatever sport we played. I remember a bigger, older
169 guy whom we called 'Dad.' We'd eat some stuff, or not, and then _
170 I think we went home. I guess some things never leave you." /#)
171 -Jack Handey, "Deep Thoughts" n n n (#/
172 / ~~~ ~~~ \/
173 /*/*/*/*/*/*/* -swob (a Self-Willed Orange Blancmange) /___/____\__\
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175 NEW HIGH CALLED DANGEROUS:-8/10/89
176 After cheap highs like glue sniffing and mushroom tripping, the latest way
177 to catch a buzz is to lick a toad. A University of Michigan expert notes that
178 Colorado River toads excrete a chemical called bufotenine when agitated. The
179 Drug Enforcement Agency reports that they have reports of people licking the
180 chemical from the toads to get high - a felony that can also be fatal.
181 So, girls, before you try to turn that ugly frog into a handsome prince,
182 remember, no tongue.
183 PIERCE NOT SO DETACHED:-8/10/89
184 Embattled former housing chief Samuel Pierce played a strong role in
185 Republican politics and civil rights, internal HUD documents show. The just
186 released documents also show Pierce was aggressive about using his clout to
187 oversee some housing decisions. Documents include personal and professional
188 letters to the likes of Sen. Strom Thurmond, R-S.C.
189 A vacant HUD office is this week's hottest Washington, D.C., news-
190 gathering spot. The former quarters of a federal homeless council are the
191 temporary repository for 48 boxes of files from HUD chief Samuel Pierce's
192 eight years in office. So far, 47 reporters have dug through the documents,
193 freed by a New York Times Freedom of Information Act request.
194 Lee Atwater, head of the Republican National Committee, had this comment:
195 "I really don't understand why anyone's upset about what happened at HUD during
196 the Reagan years. What we Republicans did was no different that what Democrats
197 have done. The only difference I see, is that the Democrats were actually
198 foolish enough to build some buildings that actually helped the poor and home-
199 less. Oh, yeah, and each of Republicans were getting six and seven digit
200 payoffs, why those foolish Democrats only took 4 or 5 figure fees. Let me say
201 on behalf of all good Bush/Reagan Republicans everywhere, that we feel that our
202 actions are the only ways to ensure a Republican majority in the House in this
203 decade. Let me assure the American voters, that we, as a party, will continue
204 to abuse government at every opportunity for the benefit of the obscenely
205 wealthy, but only at the expense of the poor and homeless. Well, okay, maybe
206 the middle-class will suffer some too, but only the lower middle-class, and
207 since you're a Republican, you're not one of those anyway...are you?"
208
209 `SOFT LANDING' HERE, FED SAYS:-8/10/89
210 The Federal Reserve's latest report on the economy's health offers strong
211 evidence that the much talked about "soft landing" is here. In its new beige
212 book, released Wednesday, the Fed reports that: The nation's economy continues
213 to grow slowly, with no sign of a recession and inflation remains subdued
214 across the nation.
215 Of the nine districts reporting on prices or inflation in the Fed's beige
216 book, eight say inflation is leveling off or slowing. The Boston-based first
217 district says businesses agree that materials prices have peaked and that
218 selling prices are rising modestly at most.
219 Manufacturing shows slow growth in several districts and declining
220 activity in some areas, according to the Fed's beige book. Among those
221 reporting declines was the eighth district, headquartered in St. Louis.
222 Auto sales are weak in a majority of districts, although Dallas (the 11th
223 district) reports significantly stronger sales, according to the Fed's beige
224 book. One reason car sales are up there, economists say, is the 11th district
225 is rebounding from its energy recession.
226
227 ECONOMIST FORECASTS RECESSION:
228 Despite indications of a "soft landing," the economy already has entered a
229 period of severe contraction that will be worsened by persistently high
230 interest rates, an economic forecasting service warned Wednesday. The nation
231 shouldn't kid itself by seeing only what it wants to see, said Walter J.
232 Williams, president of American Business Econometrics, Inc. A recession is
233 here, he says.
234 It's just a re-creation on the evening news.
235
236 100B-WATT POWER SHORTAGE SEEN:-8/10/89
237 Alternative energy sources must be employed to prevent a huge shortage in
238 electrical generating capacity, estimated at 100 billion watts by the year
239 2000, according to retired Lt. Gen. James A. Abrahamson, former Strategic
240 Defense Initiative Office director who spoke Wednesday to the Intersociety
241 Energy Conversion Engineering Conference in Arlington, Va.
242
243 VIDEO ADS BUG VIEWERS:-8/10/89
244 Consumers are ticked off about commercials on videocassettes they rent,
245 even as more auto and soft-drink spots are being spliced onto movie tapes, an
246 A.C. Nielsen survey shows. Sixty-six percent of VCR owners said they fast-
247 forwarded through commercials at the beginning of rented movies. Even so, the
248 commercials won't be going away anytime soon.
249 VIDEO ADS HELP SALES:
250 Based on studies from A.C. Nielsen Co. and others commissioned by Disney,
251 the company discovered pre-selling to customers is a key ingredient to sell-
252 through success with video specialty stores, according to Video Business
253 magazine.
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007=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 08/14/89 13:54 Msg:4236 Call:23287 Lines:78
257 ......................................................
258 As she touched the goblet to her lips, a shudder passed thru her body. She
259 had put most of the pieces together, and knew now that she had met this "Friar"
260 before. She was still not sure who she was, or why she was here, but she also
261 knew that she would answer those questions soon. The liquid tasted good as she
262 swallowed and looked around. The others in the room seemed to pay them little
263 heed, altho at one table, in the shadows, lurked another familiar looking
264 faces. But, tho they looked so ache-ing-ly familiar, she could not quite
265 gather their names. She looked deeply into Friar's eyes and spoke:
266 "We have met before. Even tho my memory is still less than complete, I am
267 quite certain of that. From deep in your mind is a fragment of a distant
268 memory. I feel the images of this place, and of some dealings with you. Then
269 one of us leaves and the other follows. I remember a pool, and some darkness."
270 Friar looked startled. She couldn't tell if he recognized her or not. The
271 cast of his eye had definitely changed. He seemed to lean away from her.
272 "I don't recall if we were enemies or friends, " she continued. "But we
273 must put whatever our relationship was, aside. I have come to try to correct a
274 grevious wrong. And I'm going to need your help!"
275 Before Friar could respond to all this, the lurkers seemed to notice the
276 lavish spread he had before him. "Can you get this bag of yours to give us
277 some of this fine food?" the taller one asked. "We have been travelling for
278 a great distance, and have no money. The Innkeeper has let us stay in, out of
279 the weather, and occasionally fed us, but we hate to keep imposing on him.
280 Perhaps we could impose on you a bit, " the shorter one said. Friar turned
281 back around to check with her, to gauge her reaction to their request. But the
282 chair in which she had been sitting was empty.
283
284 ...............................................
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287 CONTRA - U.S. LET US DOWN:-8/14/89
288 Contra leader Adolfo Calero, in the wake of a Central American pact to
289 demobilize his rebels, Sunday said the United States let his forces down. They
290 could have lobbied harder, they could have shown more support so that the
291 forces would remain in place until after the elections as the only guarantee
292 for free elections in Nicaragua, he said.
293 It's always nice to be appreciated by those you have given millions and
294 millions of dollars to, sacrificed the Constitution for, run drugs to support,
295 etc.
296 S&LS STRUGGLE TO MEET STANDARDS:-8/14/89
297 According to an exclusive USA TODAY-Gannett News Service computer study:
298 520 of the nation's 2,959 savings and loans had no tangible capital on March
299 31. At least half of those 520 already are targeted to be closed by the
300 government, and many of the others will need government help to survive.
301 Another 148 S&Ls have between zero and 1.5 percent tangible capital.
302
303 INFLATION DOWN BUT NOT OUT:-8/14/89
304 Inflation isn't dead but it is down, thanks partly to easing
305 food and energy costs. The latest inflation news came Friday when
306 the Bureau of Labor Statistics said wholesale prices fell 0.4
307 percent in July, from June. More good news is expected this
308 Friday, when BLS will likely say consumer prices rose a scant 0.2
309 percent last month.
310 Most economists agree inflation has topped out for now. Their consensus:
311 consumer prices will rise at a 4 percent to 4.5 percent annual pace in the
312 second half. Edward Guay, chief economist at insurers CIGNA Corp., expects the
313 economy will slow enough to keep consumer prices rising at just a 3.5 percent
314 annual pace for the next year or so.
315 On Friday the Bureau of Labor Statistics said wholesale prices - what
316 businesses pay for goods and services - fell in July as: Energy costs dropped
317 3 percent from June, after a 3.1 percent decline in June from May; food prices
318 rose just 0.1 percent, after June's 0.8 percent fall; excluding food and
319 energy costs, wholesale prices fell 0.2 percent in July.
320 The overall July decline was the sharpest monthly fall in wholesale prices
321 since a 0.8 percent drop in July 1986. Inflation has tailed off during the
322 past two months not only because of a slowing in energy and food price
323 increases, economists say, but also because of the Federal Reserve Board's
324 policies.
325
326 DARMAN TELLS FED TO LOWER RATE:
327 Richard Darman, director of the Office of Management and Budget, strongly
328 urged the Federal Reserve to let interest rates drop. Speaking on NBC's "Meet
329 the Press," Darman told an interviewer it was a fair conclusion that he wanted
330 rates to fall. He suggested that the Fed had kept too tight a grip on the
331 money supply for too long.
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008=Usr:33 Mike Stanfill 08/15/89 01:34 Msg:4237 Call:23296 Lines:63
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336@". ews' ralelk . ieabacage."
337@Tewrsehe ihebrdhspeetfr and
338@tenal idess creatures he was likely to be mistaken for: the
339@irtoal, mischevious, and often deadly *PINK* blancmanges of his own
340 /*/*/*/*/*/*/*
341 "... he wasn't *really* a man. He was more like ... like a blancmange."
342 The words echoed within his mind as he remembered his present form and
343 the nearly mindless creatures he was likely to be mistaken for: the
344 irrational, mischevious, and often deadly *PINK* blancmanges of his own
345 planet, Skyron. Tales were often told of the renegade blancmanges that
346 transmuted an entire nation over a simple tournament - tales that would
347 likely be known by the occupants of the building ahead. They'd probably
348 have sterling, too. It was definitely best to assume another shape.
349 By the looks of the doorway, most of the beings inside were humanoid.
350 Perhaps he should become a Scotsman. His body quivered with an inaudible
351 chuckle. No, his knowledge of Scottish lore was quite limited: a more
352 nondescript form would do better. Besides, the woolen kilt always came
353 out itchy and annoyingly short.
354 Under the moonlight shade of the Rowan tree Swob began to take
355 the form of a man. As his amorphous body solidified into man-shape, he
356 decided to add some elvish features (just to keep them guessing). The
357 night grew cold quickly, and he wondered how humans could stand
358 maintaining such a high body temperature. He took a half-step toward
359 the building before he realized it.
360 'Clothes! I'm going to need clothes!' He thought out his
361 situation. 'What kind of clothing do you suppose they're wearing in
362 there?' Thinking a peer in the window was imprudent, he took his best
363 guess at a "medeival" look. 'Let's see: shoes - no boots! Kinda suedy.
364 Blue, no grey: charcoal grey boots with those wide-brim tops that fold
365 over. Umm, pants - kinda heavy-duty, um, light grey - drawstring waist,
366 tucked into the boots.' He hurried as he felt his power waning. His
367 shirt was a loose-fitting pirate-style, though considerably thicker,
368 also grey. He thought velour would be nice - too late - he got velour
369 with no fuzz. He spent most of his remaining power fashioning a heavy
370 woolen vest that hung a little past his waist in front and back, with
371 a hole in the top for his head - fastened down with a wide belt. The
372 vest was charcoal as well, but speckled with both lighter and darker
373 points, and sporting in royal-purple a Greek cross that would have looked
374 lke a plus sign except for the widely flared ends. His remaining
375 energy was only enough for a thin, dark cloak that almost blew away in
376 the night's wind. He fastened it about his neck with a small clasp
377 from the pack he normally carried within his body, but now hefted about
378 awkwardly as he adjusted to this unaccustomed shape.
379 "Not even enough for a hat," he muttered as he strode toward the
380 oaken door at the front of the building. He made haste getting inside
381 and shutting the door behind him, still a bit chilled from his direct
382 contact with the night air. He shifted his weight back and forth, trying
383 to find a comfortable stance while he surveyed the interior. A man
384 sitting on a barstool caught his attention. 'Isn't that a T-shirt he's
385 wearing? and blue jeans? and aren't those acrylic ...'
386 Socks! He'd forgotten undergarments again! No wonder this form
387 seemed even more uncomfortable than usual. But with his transmuting
388 power well below the "E" it would be some time before he could fashion
389 even these. 'Oh, well, just have to make due, get something to eat. Hope
390 I remembered to pack some precious metals.' For whatever other qualities
391 he had, he was a bit absent-minded ...
392
393 "I think they should continue the policy of not giving a Nobel _
394 Prize for paneling." /#)
395 -Jack Handey, "Deep Thoughts" n n n (#/
396 / ~~~ ~~~ \/
397 */*/*/*/*/*/*/ -swob (a Self-Willed Orange Blancmange) /___/____\__\
009=Usr:371 The Adherent 08/16/89 03:51 Msg:4238 Call:23321 Lines:3
398 ^H^ ^H^
399 The flying H'es were here
400
010=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/16/89 16:32 Msg:4239 Call:23328 Lines:7
401 &*&*&*&*'s
402 Again I lurk. I'm hoping to do some story writing soon. Unfortunetly I'm
403 having trouble getting computer time outside of work. Should be clearing
404 up soon though.
405
406 An Astral Dreamer
407 &*&*&*&*'s
011=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 08/17/89 00:22 Msg:4240 Call:23339 Lines:85
408 ......................................................
409 She had paniced at the approach of the others. It had suddenly occurred to her
410 that she did not know her appearance to others. She remembered enough of her
411 self to know that she had very little control of the form a materialization
412 would take. If the other two had somehow recognized her, before she could get
413 the Plan in motion, it could jeapordize the entire mission. She had to remind
414 herself that she had to be more self-less this time, for much was at stake.
415 As the door of in in slammed behind her, she hoped that Friar would understand,
416 and follow. As she paused to enjoy the deja vu, she thought she glimpsed a
417 mostly naked human dressing itself off in the trees, but it either was her
418 imagination, or it was doing a good job of hiding itself, for she saw no other
419 trace of it now. Where am I going? she asked herself. And where can I find
420 a mirror.
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424 DEBATE - DONATING ORGANS OF DYING BABIES USA TODAY'S OPI
425 State laws should allow organ transplants from infants with anencephaly -
426 a fatal condition in which infants are born virtually without a brain - when
427 their parents approve. If parents like Baby Gabriel's want to help other
428 babies live, they should be able to. If we can salvage life from death, then
429 we must do it.
430 OTHER VIEWS:
431 FERN SCHUMER CHAPMAN, free-lance writer: It will take decades and bold and
432 sensitive leadership to develop a new moral code to replace the old one which
433 evolved over centuries. These issues demand a definition of life, of death,
434 and, at the same time, a delineation of the limit of health care in America.
435 PETER B. GEMMA JR., contributing editor to Conservative Digest: The
436 gruesome debate over harvesting human organs from dying infants is back. The
437 timeless and morally inspiring Hippocratic Oath instructs aspiring physicians
438 to "exercise your art solely for the cure of your patients and give no drug,
439 perform no operation, for a criminal purpose, even if solicited, far less
440 suggested."
441 DRS. DONALD MEDEARIS, Massachusetts General Hospital, and LEWIS HOLMES,
442 Brigham and Women's Hospital: "We believe that the weight of medical evidence
443 and ethical and practical arguments strongly favor retaining current law."
444 BRENDA WINNER, mother of anencephalic daughter: "We're not saying all
445 anencephalics should have their organs donated. We're asking that parents have
446 the choice."
447 DETROIT, Ulysses Newkirk, 45, buyer: "If a child is born and classified as
448 dead, then that child should not be made to suffer anymore. If God chooses a
449 child to die, it should die. But it is the parents' responsibility to take
450 their religious and medical views into perspective and decide whether to
451 donate the baby's organs."
452 POWELL, TENN., Alice Thompson, 61, retired assistant manager: "I can't see
453 taking a baby's organs when the baby is not completely dead. I don't feel that
454 it's right. Parents with a child born like that have enough pain in their
455 lives without having their babies kept alive artificially just to use their
456 organs for transplants. ..."
457
458 INSURANCE INDUSTRY IN TROUBLE:-8/16/89
459 Consumers, corporate executives and lawmakers are blasting insurers for
460 everything from profiteering to an unseemly attitude of arrogance and
461 insensitivity, reports the Aug. 21 issue of Business Week. "We're being
462 besieged. It's a holocaust that's going on," says Robert E. Vagley of the
463 American Insurance Association.
464 Insurance customers are rebelling, reports Business Week magazine.
465 Proposition 103 fever is spreading, with up to 10 similar voter initiatives
466 possible in 1990, and 300 insurance reform bills introduced in state
467 legislatures. "We've largely ignored and mistreated our customers," concedes
468 Leslie Cheek III of Crum and Forster Insurance Co.
469 The insurance industry's political clout is crumbling, reports Business
470 Week magazine. State legislators and insurance commissioners, once in the
471 industry's pocket, are more independent and even adversarial. "They're (the
472 insurance industry) losing control of their destiny," says Bruce A. Bunner of
473 accounting firm KPMG Peat Marwick and former California insurance commissioner.
474 Some insurance markets face possible government takeover, reports Business
475 Week magazine. The auto and health markets have become so dysfuctional, with
476 millions unable to afford coverage, that these markets are being increasingly
477 assumed by state and federal agencies. Insurance consultant Barbara J.
478 Lautzenheiser predicts "a real tendency toward socialization of all insurance."
479 The insurance industry cartel is dying, reports Business Week magazine.
480 Competition has become vicious. Soft markets in which insurers often lose
481 money underpricing each other are more protracted while hard markets are
482 briefer, say industry analysts. Critics are seeking ot abolish insurers'
483 antitrust immunity, which could make competition even worse.
484 Insurers' financial health is deteriorating, reports Business Week
485 magazine. "There will almost certainly be a major shakeout, major insolvencies
486 and financial dislocations," says Robert H. Moore of Alexander and Alexander.
487 Life insurers also face shrinkage. While they have mostly escaped the image
488 tarnishing, their profits are under severe, if not irreversable pressure.
489
490 s&l's, then HUD, next insurance.....
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492
012=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/17/89 08:01 Msg:4241 Call:23344 Lines:14
493 &*&*&*&*'s
494 Why don't we try the trickle up theory? You know, give big breaks and money
495 to poor people. The theory being that they will spend it, the causing the
496 money to trickle up to the rich.
497
498 If you think about it it makes sense. Rich people are much more likely to hoard
499 money then poor people. Poor people can't afford to hoard money. So why not
500 give them a chance to atleast see some of the billions of dollars we give
501 to the rich in various subsidies (Defense,HUD etc). Of course the money will
502 all end up in the same hands evenutally.
503
504 An Astral Dreamer
505 &*&*&*&*'s
506
013=Usr:507 todd rogers 08/17/89 22:17 Msg:4242 Call:23352 Lines:6
507 ------- Hi all long time no call... for me that is.
508 ------- seems to be some pretty heavy stuff on the board now
509 ------- and some interesting stories going on.
510 ------- I'm going to give writing a try here soon
511 ------- and when I do I'll upload it here in parts
512 ------- See ya'll soon.....
014=Usr:219 Friar Mossback 08/18/89 07:16 Msg:4243 Call:23359 Lines:23
513
514 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
515 "We have met before...I remember a pool, and some darkness." Her words still
516 stung in my ears, when some vagrants approached and asked for a meal. I did
517 not want to be interrupted, as she was saying something about wrongs to be
518 set right. As I turned back to her, to ask her what wrongs she was referring
519 to, she was gone!
520 "Well, what about it?" said the vagabond.
521 "Help yourself, and leave the dishes for the barkeep. He'll know what to do
522 with them."
523 At that moment, I heard the outer door slam. She must have gone outside.
524 What was her name? Kaitlyn? No, that was the name of the cute little
525 trollop who cleaned tables once a week to pay for her tuition with the mages.
526 Kathryn? No, that was the singer at the cabaret in town. I was sure I was
527 on the right track though. Kate? Hmmm.
528 I decided to follow, and slipped my hood up before I went out into the night.
529 As I was doing so, the door burst open and a man I hadn't seen before, with
530 slightly elvin features, practically leaped through.
531 "Keep your brass monkeys indoors tonight, folks!" he shouted, to all and to
532 no one.
533 Even though I had never seen him, I knew him somehow, and I was sure trouble
534 was ahead. I went out in search of it.
535 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Friar [][][][][][][]][][][][][][][][][][][][]
015=Usr:352 Katie Kolbet 08/18/89 10:26 Msg:4244 Call:23363 Lines:16
536 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
537 The whole scene had passed before her, just out of the book. It was only then
538 she remembered holding the book. Finding the place where she was now, she
539 attempted to read ahead and find out what would happen next. The words
540 were not there! She saw the girl leave the table, then the man. A
541 vagabond had come in and began to eat the food. Evidently no one saw her,
542 or knew of her existence. Perhaps she had to say something. Yet, even as
543 she tried to speak, words would not form. Mute, and suddenly lonely, she
544 walked outside the inn. The cool air shocked her system, but she pulled her
545 cloak around her. Cloak? Where had that come from? She closed the book,
546 losing her place, and found herself back at home. In a fruitless effort,
547 she reopened the precious pages, only to find herself somewhere else...
548 A tree formed in front of her, and a creature by it was slowly changing shape.
549 Now what?.............
550 +++++++++++++++++Kaitlyn
551 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
016=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 08/18/89 12:12 Msg:4245 Call:23366 Lines:82
552 696969696969
553 DEBATE - CALLER ID USA TODAY'S OPINION:
554 If enough callers want to block the display of their numbers, phone
555 companies should give them that option, too. Those with call identification
556 won't have to answer them. That's the power call identification can give us.
557 It will provide us a remedy for the millions of sick and annoying calls that
558 now ring into our homes anonymously every year.
559 OTHER VIEWS:
560 DANIEL CLEARFIELD, Pennsylvania's senior assistant consumer advocate:
561 Caller ID service is an example of the two-edged sword many technological
562 advances represent. If phone companies want to offer Caller ID, they should be
563 required to provide a means to block the transmission of a telephone number
564 when a caller has a need to maintain his or her privacy.
565 JUDY MARKEY, columnist for the Chicago Sun-Times and North America
566 Syndicate: This isn't Call Screening. This is Call Revenge. This is Call
567 Fabulous. Because no one will ever again get through and make you sorry that
568 you picked up the phone.
569 ELI NOAM, N.Y. public service commissioner: "Doctors, lawyers, everybody
570 stands to lose control over unlisted phone numbers."
571 GARY MARX, MIT sociology professor: "Anonymity has positive as well as
572 negative consequences."
573 JAMES W. CARRIGAN, New Jersey Bell: "The word is out: People now have the
574 ability to see the phone number of the caller, and many would-be obscene
575 callers are afraid to mess around on the telephone."
576
577 STUDENTS MUST TAKE DRUG TEST:-8/17/89
578 Students of Mississippi's Indianola Academy high school report to class
579 Thursday facing a new entrance exam - mandatory drug tests. And in Homewood-
580 Flossmoor High School near Chicago, all students in interscholastic activities
581 - like athletics and the marching band - will be tested for drugs. Experts say
582 schools are watching the programs as a guide for their own plans.
583
584 UPS USES NATURAL GAS IN TEST:-8/17/89
585 United Parcel Service and Brooklyn Union Gas Co. began a two-year
586 alternative-fuel project Wednesday, making UPS the first private
587 transportation company to use natural gas as a vehicle fuel in New York City.
588 The city has been identified by the Environmental Protection Agency as having
589 the nation's second-worst air pollution problem, behind Los Angeles.
590 A two-year alternative-fuel project between United Parcel Service and
591 Brooklyn Union Gas Co. will involve 10 UPS "package cars" to operate in
592 Brooklyn, N.Y. A preliminary test on a converted UPS car shows that natural
593 gas produced 85 percent less carbon monoxide than gasoline and 25 percent less
594 nitrogen oxide. Mileage was 12 percent better.
595
596 ARCO SELLS GAS REPLACEMENT:
597 ARCO will introduce a replacement for leaded gasoline next month in
598 Southern California that could reduce smog from older vehicles by up to 20
599 percent, company officials said Tuesday. ARCO will stop selling regular leaded
600 fuel and start selling the new gasoline, called EC-1, on Sept. 1. The new gas
601 will be sold to dealers at the same price as leaded gas.
602 ARCO's new leaded-gasoline replacement being introduced in Southern
603 California is called EC-1, an acronym for emission control. It uses a methanol
604 derivative called methyl tertiary butyl ether, MTBE, to boost its octane. MTBE
605 adds oxygen to the gasoline, creates a leaner fuel mixture and leads to fewer
606 emissions. It also contains 50 percent less benzene, a cancer-causing additive.
607 FUEL CONSERVATION BEST:-8/17/89
608 Investing in conservation yields a greater economic return than switching
609 fuels, says a report Wednesday by the Consumer Energy Council of America
610 Research Foundation. The report compares 24 different energy investments to
611 putting money in the bank. Copies can be obtained for $1.50 each by sending a
612 check or money order to CECA/RF, 2000 L St. N.W., Suite 802, Washington, D.C.
613 20036.
614 A report Wednesday by the Consumer Energy Council of America Research
615 Foundation that compares conservation to switching fuels finds that:
616 conservation investments pay between three and eight times as much as putting
617 money in the bank; fuel switching might yield losses or at most meager
618 returns; if a new furnace or boiler is needed, low-efficiency equipment is a
619 terrible investment.
620 IMPORTS SUPPLY OVER HALF DEMAND:-8/17/89
621 For the first time in a dozen years, imported oil supplied more than half
622 the U.S. petroleum demand in July, according to the American Petroleum
623 Institute. Reason: slowed production from Alaska's aging fields. API reported
624 total imports of crude oil and refined products averaged 8.5 million barrels a
625 day, or 50.4 percent of U.S. deliveries.
626 Imports declined in the early 1980s as production from Alaska oilfields
627 grew and were only 31.5 percent of total usage in 1985, when they averaged 4.9
628 million barrels a day. The American Petroleum Institute says the highest year-
629 long percentage for imports was 47.7 percent in 1977. For the first seven
630 months of 1989, imports averaged 46.2 percent.
631
632 696969696969696969
633
017=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/19/89 10:08 Msg:4246 Call:23387 Lines:7
634 &*&*&*&*'s
635
636 Another lurk. where have all the free hours gone?
637
638 An Astral Dreamer
639 &*&*&*&*'s
640
018=Usr:33 Mike Stanfill 08/19/89 14:02 Msg:4247 Call:23393 Lines:37
641 /*/*/*/*/*/*/*
642 "Brass monkeys????" Swob wondered to himself, "whatever possessed me to
643 say that?" Perhaps his recent concern over alloys and similar, non-rational
644 beings had manifested themselves in this human form, just as his need for
645 sustenance had become a swirling, warm sensation in his belly. The sen-
646 sation became deeper and more widespread as he considered the possibility
647 that he had picked up personality traits of former inhabitants while
648 transmuting under the Rowan tree. This place was full of magick (at least
649 tonight), and that was scary enough without strange phrases erupting from
650 his mind.
651 The place was bustling with activity. The woman he'd seen leave the
652 building earlier (had she seen him?) was soon followed by a man who looked
653 like a monk, though certainly not Orthodox. Imagining what he would look
654 like through blancmange eyes, he knew he had seen him before. He turned
655 and smiled in a gesture of friendship, but the man was already out the door.
656 And who was that girl who'd surprised him out by the tree? Quietest
657 stalker he'd ever not heard. Bad enough to forget clothing, even worse
658 that someone had *seen* him - a female no less. He wasn't sure how much
659 of his present colour was due to cold, and how much to embarassment. He'd
660 tipped the hat he didn't have, taken a long bow and started toward the door.
661 It wasn't polite to speak first in the presence of royalty...
662
663 (It wasn't polite to leave either, but in his embarassment and chill he
664 forgot this)
665
666 "I don't even know what a brass monkey *is*..." -me
667
668 "I guess I kinda lost control, because in the middle of the play I ran up
669 and lit the evil puppet villain on fire.
670 No, I didn't. Just kidding. I just said that to help illustrate one
671 of the human emotions, which is freaking out. Another emotion is greed,
672 as when you kill someone for money, or something like that. Another
673 emotion is generosity, as when you pay someone double what he paid _
674 for his stupid puppet." /#)
675 -Jack Handey, "Deep Thoughts" n n n (#/
676 / ~~~ ~~~ \/
677 */*/*/*/*/*/*/ -swob (a Self-Willed Orange Blancmange) /___/____\__\
019=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/19/89 17:39 Msg:4248 Call:23397 Lines:8
678 &*&*&*&*'s
679 A really short SF story follows.
680
681 "Killer Space plauge! Ack!" Thud.
682
683 An Astral Dreamer
684 &*&*&*&*'s
685
020=Usr:272 Talos 08/20/89 00:10 Msg:4249 Call:23404 Lines:15
686 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
687 There can only be one.
688 And the original has returned!
689
690 Its........
691
692 __________ ___ ___
693 / / \ \ / /
694 /___ ____/ \ \ / /
695 / / \ \ / /
696 / /alos \ /alheru
697 / / \ /
698 /_/ \_/
699
700 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
021=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/20/89 17:10 Msg:4250 Call:23414 Lines:8
701 &*&*&*&*'s
702
703 Short SF story two. (In verse.)
704 A molten spot upon the sun. It explodes, mankinds storys done.
705
706 An Astral Dreamer
707 &*&*&*&*'s
708
022=Usr:352 Katie Kolbet 08/20/89 17:30 Msg:4251 Call:23415 Lines:6
709 She glanced at the strange creature. It seemed to resemble something human,
710 and clothes seemed to appear from its own skin. The woman and the man were
711 nowhere in sight, so she decided to follow the road leading away from the inn.
712 Her book gave her no clues, but, in the adventurous spirit, she headed on....
713 +++Kaitlyn++++
714 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++
023=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/21/89 15:05 Msg:4252 Call:23432 Lines:7
715 &*&*&*&*'s
716 Friar, the package is ready. Get in touch with Milch to arrange for
717 transference.
718
719 An Astral Dreamer
720 &*&*&*&*'s
721
024=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock 08/21/89 22:09 Msg:4253 Call:23440 Lines:1
722 off
025=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock 08/22/89 10:14 Msg:4254 Call:23453 Lines:52
723 :::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::====
724 The Cloaked Man had not moved since his escapade with the beggar some time
725 before. Already, the dawning of the Second Triad had occurred, and the Stone
726 Triangle bore silent witness to the coming and going of another segment in the
727 neverending cycle of Pyrrix Aaal.
728 Quietly, the Cloaked Man stared up at the Triangle, as if cataloging each
729 crack, each impurity that ran along the marble. His eyes moved along almost
730 randomly, searching the stone for some missing element that seemed to hide
731 from his gaze.
732 Then, at the exact moment when the second moon passed behind the Triangle
733 of Stone, his eyes flashed a gleam of understandin. Hurriedly, with hands
734 almost quivering with what might have been a mixture of excitement and fear,
735 he fumbled about in a large pocket on the inside of his cloak, and brought
736 forth two small devices. The first, a gleaming rod of golden metal, he
737 twisted in his hands, until the larger end, at the top, extended outwards on a
738 smaller rod of glass. Within the blown, twisting structure, tiny beads of
739 light swirled and swayed, darting up and down the length of the rod with a
740 rhythmic, pulsating heartbeat that was almost hypnotic in its intensity.
741 "Ah." the metallic voice whispered, a hint of satisfactiontingingits
742 somber tone. "Perfect.. He's left the Inn... AND the field." He twisted a
743 small circlet of glass set into the base of the rod. "Probability is stable,
744 line is established."
745 His thin fingers danced over a small set of four buttons, and the air was
746 filled with a burning smell, like rubber and asphalt. A crackling hum
747 resounded from the surface of the Stone Triangle, and a green cloud began to
748 swirl around the being of the Cloaked Man.
749 "It begins, and ends." he muttered, and his dry voice drifted through the
750 eternal night of the Networks.
751
752
753 Outside the Inn, a somewhat stout individual approached a country road,
754 as if searching for something on the gray horizon. His eyes, lost in their
755 ponderings, failed to notice a billowing thunderhead in the distance growing
756 closer, as if pulled by unseen strings across the distant ocean, until the
757 cloud was almost directly overhead.
758 With a sound and scent of cannon fire, a wid of tremendous force
759 whipped against the helpless being, who stepped backwards, attempting to gain
760 his bearings enough to retreat back to the Inn.
761 bBefore he could, however, a thin ray of golden light erupted from tthe
762 base of the cloud, slinking downwards to the ground, where it scorched the
763 moss that covered the thin, rounded stones that covered the walkway that led
764 to the large brick building in the near distance.
765 Just as before, the Cloaked Man rode the light to the ground, where a wave
766 of his hand abruptly stopped the winds and distant thunder.
767 "Friar..." he muttered, his voice one of ashes and decay, just as it had
768 been when he whispered those words in the filthy alleyway where he had arrived
769 on this world.
770 "For crimes against my world," he said, easing a small, nearly invisible
771 line of inky blackness from his other hand. "I am to Judge, to Carry Out, and
772 to Execute."
773
774 :::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::==Zephyr::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::====
026=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/22/89 13:06 Msg:4255 Call:23455 Lines:38
775 &*&*&*&*'s
776
777 'The lines a thin one.'
778 Morton noted looking down at the open box.
779
780 'True, but it should have no trouble carrying the current. After all, the
781 sonnel built to last.'
782
783 'As you say.'
784
785 Bending down Morton examined the line again more closely. Any break would
786 be devastating. After a moment he was as sure as he could be.
787
788 'Are you ready?' He asked his companion.
789
790 'Yes.'
791
792 'Then here we go.' So saying, he closed the box and stepped back. It would
793 only be moments now.
794
795 time...
796
797 'It doesn't seem to be working.'
798
799 'Indeed. It looks as if our quest is off to a bad start.'
800
801 'Perhaps. But we do have other options.'
802
803 Morton nodded. 'Yes, you are right. I had hoped to avoid that option,
804 but it appears I am forced into it nonetheless.'
805
806 'Should we take the box?'
807
808 'Yes, It has other uses.'
809
810 An Astral Dreamer
811 &*&*&*&*'s
812
027=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 08/24/89 21:31 Msg:4256 Call:23468 Lines:3
813 Hmm,
814 BackWater has been dead for two days and nobody said anything.
815 ---------------------------------------------------------------------
028=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock 08/24/89 21:48 Msg:4257 Call:23470 Lines:1
816 HOW CLEVER!
029=Usr:13 voyeur 08/25/89 00:23 Msg:4258 Call:23478 Lines:4
817 ::::::::O O::::::08/25/89::::::::::::::::::::::::::::00:27:46:::::O O::::::::::
818 > BackWater has been dead for two days and nobody said anything.
819 Exactly! BackWater has been dead for two days and nobody *could* say anything!
820 ::::::::O O:::::::::::::::::::::voyeur::::::::::::::::::::::::::::O O::::::::::
030=Usr:385 Steve Culliton 08/25/89 00:52 Msg:4259 Call:23479 Lines:3
821 ++++++++++++++++++++++++================================++++++++++++++++++
822 Is "Copylink" still available?
823 ++++++++++++++++++++++++================================++++++++++++++++++
031=Usr:272 Talos 08/25/89 00:59 Msg:4260 Call:23480 Lines:8
824@<*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><
825 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
826 So tell me before I go off on a story of my own, is there a reserved status on
827 the board fo rthe current story line? I don't wanna step on anyone's shoes, ya
828 know? L8r again,
829
830 Talos Valheru
831 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
032=Usr:4 Milchar 08/25/89 13:19 Msg:4261 Call:23494 Lines:6
832 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
833 I was-a gonna call you tonight if it had remained down. What
834 happened? Offhand, I can't think of anything that would cause
835 BWMS II to not answer the phone at all (Not even a Trying to connect
836 to BWMS message), except power failure AND a disk error of some sort.
837 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Milch +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
033=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/25/89 20:08 Msg:4262 Call:23501 Lines:27
838 &*&*&*&*'s
839 Talos, write what you will. I don't think people will mind. (How about that
840 story you started a few months ago?)
841
842 Some roads are less pleasent then others. The one via the line and the
843 box would have been easy. Perhaps thats why it didn't work. Morton was
844 carefull to pack the device properly. Caution leads to long life in these
845 cases.
846
847 Morton examined Obrut carefully and decided that the chair was
848 already overloaded. He would have to carry this burden. 'Come along Obrut,
849 Our destiny awaits!'
850
851 'More likely our death.'
852
853 'be quite familiar and follow me.'
854
855 Much can be said for having a chair as a familiar. It has four legs,
856 is inconspicuos when not moving and can be used for it's fundamental
857 purpose when one grows tired.
858
859 Doors and windows secured, Morton and Obrut walked down the road to
860 Yeladad.
861
862 An Astral Dreamer
863 &*&*&*&*'s
864
034=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 08/25/89 21:14 Msg:4263 Call:23502 Lines:13
865 .............................................
866 She looked over her shoulder, and could see she was being followed. She was
867 not ready to be seen again...yet. The trees were tall, and the shadows deep.
868 She knew somehow that the pool was near by, but where? And what would she do
869 when she got there? Besides, of course, the obvious. What form had she taken
870 this time? Was she pretty? Did she have a healthy body, or would it be
871 withered and worn as it was at the time of the... Her thoughts were suddenly
872 interrupted by the crack of a small branch being stepped on. She could tell it
873 was the one called Friar, but now she could see others approaching. Were they
874 following him? And to what end? He had said all were friends at the Inn. Did
875 that extend to the outside world? No time to learn now, she thought.
876 ..............................................
877
035=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 08/25/89 21:32 Msg:4264 Call:23503 Lines:11
878 **************************************************************************
879 Yes, Copylink is still available. You can obtain it through
880 Day Research P.O. Box 22902 Milwaukie Oregon 97222
881 For more information you can send to that address for a flyer.
882
883 BW dead: It was the result of a power hit and subsequent modem heart
884 failure. The modem has since been brought back to life.
885 It would have been fixed earlier, but I've been rather busy the last week
886 or so and have not had much time to spare for important issues like
887 babysitting BWMS. Ah well, it's working now, that's what is important.
888 ****************************** CM ****************************************
036=Usr:387 MIKE DAVIDSON 08/26/89 11:04 Msg:4265 Call:23516 Lines:8
889 O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O
890 IS THIS TIRED OLD BBS STILL AROUND? GOD, I THINK WE MUST BE SETTING
891 SOME KIND OF LONG-TIME UP BBS RECORD HERE. SO...HOW MANY YEARS
892 HAS IT BEEN FOR BWMS? OR.. BWMS II AS I BELIEVE IT IS CALLED
893 NOW.
894 I see the first-year philosophy majors are exercising their
895 keyboards...
896 O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O
037=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/26/89 20:29 Msg:4266 Call:23525 Lines:20
897 &*&*&*&*'s
898
899 As Heinlein once said (More or less, and through one of his characters.)
900 'Philosophers never let facts get in the way of the truth.' A good
901 philosopher is meerly an historian of philosophy. The fact that he or she
902 can regurgitate things said in the past does not impress me. The difference
903 between Philosophy and Sophistry is really just about nil from the point of
904 view of the reciever fo `enlightenment'. The only difference is in the
905 motivation.
906
907 All this means to me is that one man/womans opinion is as valuable as
908 anothers. Quoting Hume, Socrates or Dworkin to support ones point of view is
909 no different in reality then quoting anybody else talking about life and
910 its meaning.
911
912 Deeper meaning often just means that you are a deeper fool.
913
914 An Astral Dreamer
915 &*&*&*&*'s
916
038=Usr:53 prince dragon 08/26/89 21:02 Msg:4267 Call:23527 Lines:7
917 .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. prince dragon .-=-.-=-.etc...
918 to tiger:
919 my landline is still down, sorry about not seeing you today 89.08.23.13:00
920 if you could call telco and ask them to fix ,tnx
921 reply here as agora is at this time down also(modem is there but no system)
922 mycoys *
923 .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.
039=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock 08/26/89 23:00 Msg:4268 Call:23531 Lines:1
924 PROFOUND WORDS!
040=Usr:29 The Bard 08/27/89 19:47 Msg:4269 Call:23543 Lines:10
925 SWOB:
926 Hate to tell you this, but multivalued logic systems have been around
927 for a long time. They no more destroy the basis of logic, than using a base
928 other than 10 destroys the basis of arithmetic.
929 Also "This sentence is false" is not a paradox in *any* logic system!
930 There's usually a chapter on this sor of thing in any good book on symbolic
931 logic. The only way it looks like a paradox is if you confuse the langauge
932 and the meta-language. If that doesn't mean anything, get a book on logic.
933 (I know that Copi's book covers it!)
934 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~BARD~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
041=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 08/27/89 21:29 Msg:4270 Call:23546 Lines:31
935 *_)@*%)_#@*%_)@*)_!~(%_+!)%+_)%+#(*^_)#*^_+)(%_+@)%_+@)%@_+%(*#$_*^!+#_%(@_+~%(
936
937 The party's over
938 The evening's done
939 The tape is copied
940 Let's have some fun?
941
942 Friar, please let me know when you receive the goods. I want to make sure a hot
943 game or moria or nethack or qix doesn't get in the way of the completion of the
944 business transaction.
945
946 All who came: Twas fun, let's do it again sometime in the next 6 months.
947
948 *_*%_#)@%_)#%*()_@(%)_@^*)@_%^*!@%@% L'homme sans Parity *%@_)*_)@#%_)@*%(*@)_#
949
950 ===================----------------==================-----------------=========
951 Hey, I don't know why some people don't like the news bulletins on here! I
952 think they are great. I mean jeez, I get on this system to read stories and
953 debates, and instead I get rehashed stuff from USA Today! Why wouldn't I be
954 thrilled? I really think they are great! Once you really put your mind to it,
955 you too can convince that reading something that one person wrote and then
956 another person transcribes here is much better than reading original thoughts,
957 comments, stories, and so forth.
958
959 What would you rather read anyway? A nifty multiple authored story written by
960 a bunch of interesting people having a good old time, or thrown-up news
961 uploaded by someone who obviously just doesn't care?
962
963 I know what my vote is.
964 --------------------=============== Charitable ==============----------========
965
042=Usr:379 Phoenix Polymorp 08/27/89 22:14 Msg:4271 Call:23548 Lines:11
966 Check feed.....
967 All links ok.....
968 Give me a count....3......2.....1.....Que logo...Stand by Controll....
969
970 THIS IS WORLD WATCH THREE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>27/AUG/89
971 This is Phoenix Polymorph, live and direct from the Wilsonville Banzai
972 Institute. All is quiet on the news front now, but we're going to change all
973 that. News flashes as we fabricate it.
974 ^P
975 WWIII>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
976 Drop link...
043=Usr:219 Friar Mossback 08/28/89 08:13 Msg:4272 Call:23558 Lines:7
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978 Sorry, no story entry today. Job interview for new position with the company.
979 Department Manager. Oooooh. I'm soooooo impressed. I know, but it does
980 mean an extra $200 or so a month as a token raise, and with spouse out of
981 work for the baby, every little bit helps.
982 Will continue Wednesday or so.
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044=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 08/28/89 16:00 Msg:4273 Call:23564 Lines:16
984 696969696969
985 Chemical Analysis
986
987 Element : Woman
988 Symbol : WO
989 Discoverer : Adam
990 Quantitative Analysis: Accepted at 36-28-36, though isotopes ranging from
991 25-10-20 to 60-55-60 have been identified
992
993 Occurance: Found wherever man is, but seldom in the highly reactive,
994 energetic singlet state. Surplus quantities in all urban areas
995
996 Physical Properties: Undergoes spontaneous dehydrolysis (weeps) at absolutely
997 anything. (more on next disk, maybe)
998
999 696969696969696969