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001=Usr:0 Null User 07/08/87 00:40 Msg:0 Call:0 Lines:19
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1$If you are in need of help, you need but ask...
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2$************************* INSTALLED: 19 MAR 88 ***************************
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3$Welcome to BWMS II (BackWater Message System II) Mike Day System operator
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4$**************************************************************************
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5$GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS II IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION
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6$ PLACED ON THIS SYSTEM.
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7$BWMS II was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS II is a privately
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8$owned and operated system which is currently open for use by the general
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9$public. No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. As the
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10$system is privately owned, I retain the right to remove any and all
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11$messages which I may find offensive. Because of the limited size of the
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12$system, it will be periodically purged of messages (only 999 lines of data
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13$can be saved). To leave a message, type 'ENTER'. Use ctrl/C to get out
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14$the ENTER mode. The message is automatically stored. If after entering
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15$the message you find you made a mistake, use the replace command to
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16$replace the line. To exit from the system, type 'BYE' then hang up.
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17$Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system.
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18$**************************************************************************
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19$
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002=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 03/19/88 11:10 Msg:1311 Call:8871 Lines:5
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20 Astrology: Astrology is the "raison d'etre of astronomy.
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21 It is inadvisable to do anything without first consulting an astrologer.
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22 I once knew a man who never consulted an astrologer, and now he is dead.
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23 An Astrologer would have been able to forewarn him.
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24 ***************************************************************************
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003=Usr:379 Phoenix Polymorp 03/19/88 12:26 Msg:1312 Call:8873 Lines:6
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25 This Is Phoenix Polymorph.
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26 I was woundering what started the topic we've been exploring. Was it the sudde
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27 n entrance of the unknown lady Jody? Was it someting to do with 'The New Age'
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28 whatever that is. Or did it just happen?
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29 off
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30 ^C
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004=Usr:210 BRITTANIA SCARBO 03/19/88 14:12 Msg:1313 Call:8875 Lines:5
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31 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> B <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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32 Hello. I'm back! Justin has a new computer! But I just popped in to say hi.
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33 I have no real time today, but I'll be back shortly.
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34
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35 Phoenix: See you soon on BP, promise.
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005=Usr:336 NOAM RANN 03/19/88 14:20 Msg:1314 Call:8877 Lines:4
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36 (-=>+ [NOAM] +<=-)
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37 LooKS LiKe i MiSSeD BeiNG FiRST THiS TiME. I GueSS i'LL TaKe CReDiT FoR THe La
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38 ST ToPiC By aSKiNG 'WHY'. TTFN
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39 (-=>+ [NOAM] +<=-)
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006=Usr:379 Phoenix Polymorp 03/19/88 14:43 Msg:1315 Call:8879 Lines:4
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40 this is Phoenix again, could some-one spread the word on no-name that I'm not
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41 paid yet? The cheque's in the mail....
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42 thanx
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43 ^C
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007=Usr:283 KEVIN CONNELL 03/20/88 00:28 Msg:1316 Call:8895 Lines:8
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44 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ This is Kev C. ################################
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45 I have to ask the same question:
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46 WHY?
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47 .. Do we send troops to Honduras!?????!!!!
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48 Ass holes!
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49
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50 /s
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51 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ###################################
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008=Usr:272 Talos 03/20/88 00:37 Msg:1317 Call:8896 Lines:8
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52 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
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53 Whats worse is they say the troops will NOT be sent into hostile environments.
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54 Bullshit. Why are they there then? If the heat gets turned up, off they'll go.
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55 Anybody on No Name, HELP! I can't read the address to send to Les. I had it
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56 written down, but twice I've sent it out and twice it came back saying "Wrong
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57 Address". What's the (New?) address?
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58 Talos
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59 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
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009=Usr:188 Justin Klein 03/20/88 01:06 Msg:1318 Call:8897 Lines:27
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60 ==============================Justin the Blue=============================
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61 T H E S U N * D I A L T I M E S
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62 Number One
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63 ===========================================================================
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64 Dateline PDX, 20-Mar-88: Justin the Blue here, returning to the
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65 legendary BackWater With my own computer, my own modem, and little time
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66 but a need to be foolish in front of many. There fore.....
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67
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68 The equipment:A Xerox 820-1 w/64K memory, runs CP/M. Has 300baud
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69 -acoustic(well, at least 300 baud is better than zero....
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70
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71 Expect pithy commentary on whatever I want in the coming weeks, in-
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72 cluding Ecotopia Now! and the now-legendary(in circles you arent in) Editor
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73 With A Mohawk. See ya....
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74
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75 >Justin the Blue<
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76 Ruler of the Grave
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77 King of the Really Serious
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78 Dude in charge of the Businesslike
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79 Overlord of the Efficient
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80 President of the Spartan
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81 Incredibly Silly
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82 Newly Minted
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83 Winner of the Boarder War
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84 House Proofreader
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85 What it Was.
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86 ===========================================================================
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010=Usr:237 barefoot john 03/20/88 04:20 Msg:1319 Call:8902 Lines:16
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87 { <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< /* capt'n barefoot */ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> }
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88
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89 Knowing ignorance is strength.
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90 Ignoring knowledge is sickness.
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91
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92 If one is sick of sickness, then one is not sick.
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93 The sage is not sick because he is sick of sickness.
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94 Therefore he is not sick.
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95 Tao Te Ching [seventy-one] -Lao Tsu
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96 -----------------------------------------------------------------
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97 Christanity is the more recent of three great dharmas. Each of
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98 them has their own book of 'truth', transmitted directly from
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99 GOD. What seems most significant is the amazing similarity!
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100
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101 From the confluence of Suck Creek & the Tennessee River...
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102 { <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< /* capt'n barefoot */ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> }
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011=Usr:219 Friar Mossback 03/20/88 10:58 Msg:1320 Call:8915 Lines:17
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103 [][][][][][][][]][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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104 d. - "I can speak directly for God" He spoke to me in a dream and told
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105 me all truth. Does this make my musings and meanderings the truth?
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106 Of course not. And neither does the christian bible saying the
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107 same thing make it so. The prophecies of Nostradamus also show
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108 much of what is happening to us, and few regard them as absolute
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109 truth.
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110 And let us look at just one of the prophecies now coming true, that
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111 of wars and rumors of war. Sure, there is war every where now, but
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112 how much of that is new, and how much of it is just *news*? I
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113 submit that although war has become more destructive, it has not
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114 become more prevalent. We just hear about it more thanks to the
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115 age we are in. Each generation points to things that say "This
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116 surely is the end times!" And here we are yet.
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117
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118 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Friar [][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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119
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012=Usr:47 John Dilks 03/20/88 18:05 Msg:1321 Call:8925 Lines:28
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120 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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121 Capt'n: It's not surprising that the "books" are similar. One of the
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122 primary reasons for people to look to religion is to provide an answer
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123 to life. Usually exemplafied with the statement "Why am I here?"
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124 It is thus only natural that the religions provide the answer. However
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125 as Friar pointed out above, stating an answer in a book hardly provides
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126 any sort of proof of the existance of God.
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127 d: Profound statements and predictions are hardly the sole property of
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128 the bible. These sorts of things can be found in many writings. I've got
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129 a book of quotes that has some very profound statements in it about life
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130 and humanity. These are not writtings from a God, they are from ordinary
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131 people. There is nothing special about seeing life as it is, you only
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132 need to open your eyes and see it. It has always been there and always
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133 will be.
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134 I see that you haven't changed your tune, you still start your arguments
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135 with the same old saw. The Bible is the word of God, the bible says that
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136 God exists, therefore God exists. That is a very poor circular argument.
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137 You would fail logic class should you attempt to use that sort of structure.
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138 Because the bible exists in quantity is hardly proof that it is more than
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139 it is, a book, it only shows the zealousness of those that push it.
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140 There are more IBM PC type personal computers than any other kind. That
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141 fact doesn't make it the best computer, nor does it make it God's computer,
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142 All it means is that there are more IBM PC style personal computers than
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143 any other kind. Any other interperitation of that is mearly speculation
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144 and opinion. The same goes for the bible, the quantity mearly describes
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145 the quantity, nothing more.
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146 John Dilks --
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147 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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013=Usr:245 Doug King 03/20/88 20:20 Msg:1322 Call:8932 Lines:5
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148 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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149 Justin-You said you won the boarder war? Which one? The one between me and your
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150 wife to be? We never resolved that one! I still think this is my boarder!
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151 KEV C.-Asshole is one word not two....
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152 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Bartender SLUG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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014=Usr:329 mark Holdahl 03/20/88 20:54 Msg:1323 Call:8934 Lines:2
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153 THIS IS WORLD WATCH THREE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>03-20-88>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>21:12>
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154
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015=Usr:283 KEVIN CONNELL 03/20/88 21:17 Msg:1324 Call:8935 Lines:11
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155 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@KEV C<###############################
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156 Hey, slugster.
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157 True.
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158 But hten again, Oh well,
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159 How bout a seltzer?
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160 MAybe not, you're off duty!
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161
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162
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163 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@################################
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164
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165
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016=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 03/21/88 03:54 Msg:1325 Call:8948 Lines:14
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166 P%*@_%*@_#)%*!_*%@_)%*#$%(!(%_*(^)_^%*_#$(%#^+#$^#+!^*_+#(*+_#$^+^(+^$+#!^(#!+^
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167 Phoenix: Aha, I recognize those 'golden' words you used. Yes, a clan (or cult)
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168 of colored shell creatures. Yes, blue I believe. What wonderful images those
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169 lines bring to mind. Great writers, those ancients were. And I hear great
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170 rumor that they are swinging through Portland in the coming months.
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171
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172 Capt'n: Part of your message was truncated, and I feel a bit like the
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173 treasure hunter who has only has half a map. The wheel house? And bags?
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174 The cabin? And the wind, yes, a calm cool wind that caresses the sails, filling
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175 them like a gentle dove fills a cupped hand. Horse latitudes? Does this
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176 mean you are moving again, or does Suck Creek have a greater hold on you
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177 than might have been possible in times past? Is it safe to continue a land-
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178 locked form of communications to the previous address?
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179 *%$#_)*%#_)%#$_)*%#_)%*)_#*%_)# L'homme sans Parity %*#*@_#%*_*%!)_%*!)+%@_#%*@
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017=Usr:52 sandy mcgrath 03/21/88 12:21 Msg:1326 Call:8954 Lines:24
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180 (((*)))(((*)))(((*)))(((*)))(((*)))(((*)))(((*)))(((*)))(((*)))(((*)))(((*)))
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181
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182 There was only the roar of the river, the wind through the trees and the
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183 crackling of our fire. Everything else was silent, yet I could feel life,
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184 power all around me. In the flames I could see images. I could see beings
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185 dancing in the flames. Memories of a life long past flooded my mind as we
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186 quietly talked next to the campfire. The memories filled me with excitment
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187 The warmth of heart and soul I felt for the one with me was overwelming. I
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188 had finally found the one I had been looking for. The one I had been searching
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189 for for so many lifetimes. My brother was finally by my side again.
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190 The Wolf and the Cougar were once again rejoined to take their place in the
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191 tribe. At one time the two of us guarded the territory keeping all within
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192 its boundries safe from harm. Now it is time for the two of us to reclaim
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193 that place once again. The Cougar guardian by day and the Wolf guardian by
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194 night yet many times guarding and walking together. It is our place to
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195 maintain the old ways. The ways past down for eons.
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196 The rules were simple. Survival plain and simple... but by the old ways
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197 only. The ways of the tribe cannot be changed. The must remain the same
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198 inorder for survival to be possible. At times I feel there is so much to
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199 remember. Can I live up to the responsibility the Elders have left me with.
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200 Deep down inside I know I can. It is only the fears and pressures of my
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201 present lifetime that make me feel restricted and afraid.
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202
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203 (((*)))(((*)))(((*)))(((*)))(((*)))(((*)))(((*)))(((*)))(((*)))((( Ripple )))
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018=Usr:379 Phoenix Polymorp 03/21/88 20:00 Msg:1327 Call:8968 Lines:7
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204 This is Phoenix Polymorph (aka, the Fire Clown)
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205 So, they'll be here, setting the city aflaim? It's been a while since we've
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206 heard from them.
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207
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208 By the way, what is a diz-buster?
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209
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210 ^C
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019=Usr:188 Justin Klein 03/21/88 20:27 Msg:1328 Call:8971 Lines:8
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211 ==============================Justin the Blue================================
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212 Yes, I won the "boarder" war...remember, Slug, I got you spelling it
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213 right????(Well, for a while anyway.)
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214 All I can say is, if you have a boarder, I hope you are charging a
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215 reasonable rent......
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216 (It's BORDER, pal! Get it straight! Geeeeez!...Look out, here comes
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217 the margarita salt...run for your life.....!)
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218 -==========================Justin, no SLUG am I!==========>:-)===============
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020=Usr:245 Doug King 03/21/88 21:45 Msg:1329 Call:8979 Lines:5
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219 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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220 Sorry Jusin buddy, I forgot the correct spelling. Thanx for the idea of chargin
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221 rent for borders (spelled it right! Hah!). I'll start charging your honey,
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222 Brittania from now on. Give her a kiss for me, dude! Chow for now!
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223 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Bartender SLUG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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021=Usr:283 KEVIN CONNELL 03/21/88 23:09 Msg:1330 Call:8983 Lines:8
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224 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@Kev C.###################################
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225 Hey, slug!!!!
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226 call Hudini's, or I will take over your job!
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227 Ps, there may be a job for you at big Larr's 248-1960, Tell Larry that Kevin
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228 Connell sent you, and ask for a private sig, and whatnot!
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229
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230 REMEMBER, Call Hodini's !!!1
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231
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022=Usr:379 Phoenix Polymorp 03/22/88 00:07 Msg:1331 Call:8988 Lines:7
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232 Phoenix here, what is the number at Hudini's? I can't ever get through. I kee
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233 p getting this crap about the number not being there, and I've tried both local
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234 and long dist.! HELP!
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235
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236 Mike- Sorry, didn't recognise your name on BP.
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237
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238 ^C
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023=Usr:379 Phoenix Polymorp 03/22/88 00:36 Msg:1332 Call:8989 Lines:2
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239 Me again. I found the right number fo Hudini's....
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240 ^C
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024=Usr:53 prince dragon 03/22/88 18:38 Msg:1333 Call:9010 Lines:2
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241 does anyone know when agora will be back up?? wuffa
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242 .....................................................
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025=Usr:210 BRITTANIA SCARBO 03/22/88 20:47 Msg:1334 Call:9015 Lines:8
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243 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> B <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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244 I think I'd be the one to charge rent, Slug. Shame on you for arguing with a
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245 lady!
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246 And, guys, at least TRY to spell things correctly. HOUDINI'S, OK?
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247
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248 Anyway, anything existential happening that I can tap off o? I need it.
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249 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>IA the BORDER MISTRESS! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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250
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026=Usr:379 Phoenix Polymorp 03/22/88 21:10 Msg:1335 Call:9016 Lines:3
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251 This is world watch three, on location.....
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252 Brittania, my dear, you know I can't spell.....
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253 ^C
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027=Usr:272 Talos 03/23/88 00:38 Msg:1336 Call:9020 Lines:6
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254 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
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255 Houdini's Place BBS
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256 639-xxxx
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257 For those who still need it.
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258 Talos
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259 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
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028=Usr:272 Talos 03/23/88 12:17 Msg:1337 Call:9035 Lines:33
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260 In the days of the haze, the color was deep purple
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261 And our heads would never be the same
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262 A distant metal voice gives us no choice
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263 We ride, we ride the killing machine
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264
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265 Like a wheel that keeps on turning
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266 And a fire that keeps on burning
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267 Maybe tomorrow
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268 Not today, no no
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269
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270 Now the sky is filled with diamonds
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271 And the wind it cries Mary
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272 And our eyes stare through the window pane
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273 The season of the witch brings out the bitch
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274 And she will bring us new pleasure new pain
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275
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276 Like a wheel that keeps on turning
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277 And a fire that keeps on burning
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278 Today is now tomorrow
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279 Not yesterday, yesterday
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280
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281 We still remember, all the reasons why
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282 We still remember, after all this time
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283 We still remember, the flag still flies
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284 We still remember, we will carry on
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285
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286 Memories that live forever
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287 Sweet emotions yo will treasure
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288 Find a place to give them shelter
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289 Won't get fooled by helter skelter
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290
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291 We Still remember, we will carry on
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292 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
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029=Usr:322 Stray Cat 03/23/88 14:25 Msg:1338 Call:9040 Lines:9
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293
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294 scscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscs
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295
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296 Talos - did you write that or what? Sounds like a combination of Lucy in
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297 the Sky, Proud Mary, Season of the Witch, etc. What exactly is
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298 helter skelter?
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299
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300
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301 scscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscsc
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030=Usr:237 barefoot john 03/23/88 16:40 Msg:1339 Call:9045 Lines:27
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302 { <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< /* capt'n barefoot */ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> }
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303 John D. -- Permit me to elucidate on my previous inference,
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304 hopfully to clarify its meaning. (Interesting side note: 'd'
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305 seems to view me as being totally derisive of religion, while
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306 you perhaps perceive me as supportive--- Well, 'balance in all
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307 things') The point was that there is 'truth' at the core of most
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308 religion. It is this essence that we should nurture and preserve.
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309 What we should resist is the tyranny of dogma.
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310
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311 Christianity has a benin and harmless aspect, part social guide
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312 and part genial bully. People are cajoled into believing they must
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313 be born again or belong to something. The other side of Christian
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314 activity, for nearly 2000 years, has been to imprison people in a
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315 mental straitjacket. Any sort of irreverence or rebellon was
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316 severely punished.
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317
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318 How has this mental prison affected our thinking? First it causes
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319 us to ask the wrong uestions. A classic example is underlying
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320 theme of the current backwater discusion, "WHY?" The explorer
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321 Richard Burton said, "Abjure the Why and seek the How. (There he
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322 goes quoting authoritive sources again!) How? ---- can we as
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323 individuals and collectively look at ourselves, and our reflection
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324 in the words of others, to gain new insight?
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325
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326 L'homme -- Still slounin' around the Suck Creek Slough, when I'm
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327 not jetting around the country in the company bird.
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328 { <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< /* capt'n barefoot */ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> }
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031=Usr:210 BRITTANIA SCARBO 03/23/88 18:08 Msg:1340 Call:9049 Lines:7
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329
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330 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> B <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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331
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332 EGAD! Even the Capt'n is using it now! "Yer Onner, I DEJECT!!"
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333 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BRITTANIA (doggone it!) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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334
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335
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032=Usr:283 KEVIN CONNELL 03/24/88 00:01 Msg:1341 Call:9061 Lines:6
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336 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@Kev C.##################################
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337 I'm back. So, what's been going on lately?
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338 Slug, if your on duty, then how bout a NY seltzer?
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339
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340 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@########################
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341
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033=Usr:272 Talos 03/24/88 02:40 Msg:1342 Call:9064 Lines:9
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342 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
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343 Helter Skelter was a song written by the Beatles which Charles Manson Claimed
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344 he heard something in it that told him to murder those people.
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345 The whole thing was written and performed by the group Kick Axe on their latest
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346 album Rock The World. Go buy it. It's good. Also they do an outstanding version
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347 of Fleetwood Mac's song "The Chain". It's beautiful. Enjoy.
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348
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349 Talos
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350 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
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034=Usr:322 Stray Cat 03/24/88 07:34 Msg:1343 Call:9065 Lines:6
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351
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352 scscsscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscsccscscscscscccssscccscscsc
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353
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354 I kinda knew that but what do the words "helter skelter" refer to (I don't
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355 think "we" have the record).
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356 sccssccssccscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscsc
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035=Usr:397 dragon lady 03/24/88 16:08 Msg:1344 Call:9075 Lines:22
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357 -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- 24 Mar 88 -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- -=*=-
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358 Welcome back, Capt'n! Forgive me if I came across as an antagonist;
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359 I was just ribbing you for the chuckles that spill out between your lines!
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360 No matter how serious the subject, you irreverently nudge some fun out of
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361 it, not unkindly. I like that in a man! Now, I will not "abjure the why"
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362 (sounds far too final) but I do "seek the How": How shall I establish
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363 that the Bible stands above other books of "truth," at the same time
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364 satisfying John Dilk's demand for "accepted logic convention"?
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365 Simple. The Bible's strongest evidence of inspiration is prophecy.
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366 By this I do not mean vague, sweeping statements such as Nostradamus made.
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367 The Bible is filled with prophecies reflecting detailed knowledge of the
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368 future--something impossible for humans.
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369 The Bible contains hundreds of prophecies. Have they been accurately
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370 fulfilled until now? If so, it would be a telling indication of the
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371 Bible's being "inspired of God." And it would create confidence in
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372 further prophecies regarding events yet to come. Hence, it will be
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373 useful to review some prophecies already fulfilled.
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374 The ancient city Babylon (famed for its great structure of vaulted
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375 archways, tier upon tier: the hanging gardens, "wonder of the world")
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376 was located along the Euphrates River, approximately 540 miles east
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377 of Jerusalem and some 50 miles south of modern Baghdad. History records
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378 that Babylon took the Jews into captivity. Yet, about 40 years before
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036=Usr:397 dragon lady 03/24/88 16:53 Msg:1345 Call:9076 Lines:54
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379 this happened Jeremiah foretold it. Isaiah predicted it some 150 years
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380 before it happened. He also foretold that the Jews would return from
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381 captivity. So did Jeremiah, saying that they would be restored to their
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382 land after 70 years.--Isaiah 39:6,7; 44:26; Jeremiah 25:8-12; 29:10.
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383 How would this return be made possible? By the overthrowing of Babylon
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384 by the Medes and Persians in 539 B.C.E. Now, to get an idea of how
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385 impossible this prophecy sounded, we can reconstruct a fair resemblance
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386 of the appearance of Babylon as it stood in Nebuchadnezzar's day.
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387 Historians and archaeologists testify that a system of double walls
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388 surrounded the city, the outer wall buttressed by towers. Streets ran
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389 through the city from gates in the massive walls. Procession Street,
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390 the main boulevard, was paved and its walls alongside were decorated
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391 with lions, dragons and bulls in symbol of the honoured gods. According
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392 to Herodotus, the great Euphrates River was flanked on either side with
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393 a continuous quay, which was separated from the city proper by walls
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394 having twenty-five gateways. This sprawling metropolis astride the
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395 watercourse was a commercial and industrial center of world trade.
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396 More than an important manufacturing center, it was a commercial depot
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397 for trade between the peoples of the East and the West, both by land
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398 and by sea. Babylon, it is said, had a fleet of three thousand galleys
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399 that plied not only the city's canal system but also the great Tigris
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400 and Euphrates Rivers. This means that her fleet had access to the
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401 Persian Gulf and the seas far beyond.
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402 Yet its overthrow was foretold by Isaiah nearly 200 years before it
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403 happened, and by Jeremiah about 50 years before it occurred. Jeremiah
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404 said that the Babylonian soldiers would put up no fight. Both Isaiah
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405 and Jeremiah foretold that Babylon's protecting waters, the river
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406 Euphrates, "must be dried up." Isaiah even gave the name of the
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407 conquering Persian general, Cyrus, and said that before him "the gates
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408 [of Babylon] will not be shut."--Jeremiah 50:38; 51:11,30; Isaiah 13:
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409 17-19; 44:27; 45:1.
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410 Again, the setting: Isaiah's writing was completed by about 732 B.C.E.
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411 Cyrus had not been born when it was written. The Jews were not taken
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412 into exile to Babylon until 617-607 B.C.E., and Jerusalem and its temple
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413 were not destroyed until 607 B.C.E. In detail the prophecy was fulfilled
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414 starting in 539 B.C.E...the night of October 5/6.
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415 That fateful night in the city of Babylon, coregent Belshazzar held
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416 a banquet with a thousand of his grandees. Nabonidus was not there to
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417 see the ominous writing on the plaster wall: "MENE, MENE, TEKEL and
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418 PARSIN" because he had taken refuge in the city of Borsippa to the SW.
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419 Neither was Cyrus' army sleeping in their encampment around Babylon's
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420 impregnable walls, for it was a night of great activity! In brilliant
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421 strategy Cyrus' army engineers diverted the mighty Euphrates River from
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422 its course through the city. Then down the riverbed the Persians marched,
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423 up over the riverbanks, to take the city by surprise through the gates
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424 along the quay.
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425 The Greek historian Herodotus explains: "Had the Babylonians been
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426 apprised of what Cyrus was about, they would have made fast all the
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427 street-gates which [were] upon the river...But, as it was, the Persians
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428 came upon them by surprise and so took the city." Quickly passing through
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429 the streets, killing all who resisted, they captured the palace and put
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430 Belshazzer to death. It was all over. In one night Babylon had fallen,
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431 ending centuries of Semitic supremacy; control of Babylon became Aryan,
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432 and Jehovah's word of prophecy was fulfilled!
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037=Usr:397 dragon lady 03/24/88 17:39 Msg:1346 Call:9077 Lines:11
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433 But there is more! Just in time for the Jews' 70-year exile to end,
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434 Cyrus returned the captive Jews to their homeland, in 537 B.C.E. What
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435 about the city Babylon? Both Isaiah and Jeremiah foretold that it would
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436 eventually become uninhabited ruins. True to prophecy, today Babylon
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437 is a desolate heap of mounds.--Isaiah 13:20-22; Jeremiah 51:37, 41-43.
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438 No man can accurately foretell the future in detail. That is beyond
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439 human ability. However, the Creator of the universe possesses all the
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440 necessary facts and can even control events. Thus he can be spoken of
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441 as the One who is "telling from the beginning the finale, and from long
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442 ago the things that have not been done."--Isaiah 46:10; 41:22,23.
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443 -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- d -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- -=*=-
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038=Usr:52 sandy mcgrath 03/24/88 20:50 Msg:1347 Call:9085 Lines:1
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444 (((*)))(((*)))(((*)))(((*)))(((*)))(((*)))((( lurking around )))((( Ripple )))
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039=Usr:47 John Dilks 03/24/88 21:50 Msg:1348 Call:9088 Lines:120
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445 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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446 'd', I wouldn't be too quick at calling Nostradamus's prohecies
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447 'vague and sweeping' Quite the contrary, the primary reason for his
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448 notoriety is his rather explicit and to the point predictions.
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449
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450 Here is one from quatrain 24, second ten centuries:
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451 Bestes farouches de faim fleuves tranner,
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452 Plus part du champ encontre Hister sera.
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453 En caige de fer le grand fera traisner,
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454 Quand rien enfant de Germain observera.
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455
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456 Translated to English it becomes:
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457 Beasts wild with hunger will cross the rivers, the greater part of
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458 the battle will be against Hitler. He will cause great men to be dragged
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459 in a cage of iron, when the son of Germany observes no law.
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460
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461 This is a direct prediction of Hitler and his evil deeds. There are
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462 several other references to Hitler, so this is not a coincidence.
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463
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464 Or we can look at another popular prediction in II.51:
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465 Le sang de juste a' Londres sera faulte
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466 Brule's par fouldres de vingt trois les six;
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467 Le dame antique cherra de place haute
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468 Des mesme secte plusieurs seront occis.
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469
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470 Translated to English this becomes:
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471 The blood of the just will be demanded of London, Burned by fire in
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472 three times twenty plus six. The ancient lady will fall from her high
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473 position and many of the same denomination will be killed.
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474
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475 This is a prediction of the Great London Fire of 1666, in which the
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476 Cathedral of St. Paul's was destroyed killing those seeking protection
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477 from the fire within it.
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478
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479 Nostradamus predicted the life and death of kings, nations. Many of
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480 the predictions giving specific dates while others referred to
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481 activities over particular periods of times. His predictions were no
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482 worse for accuracy or explicit nature than the ones you quote from the
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483 bible.
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484
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485 -- John Dilks --
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486
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487 Ten easy steps on learning how to be a prophet (or profit depending on
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488 your view point).
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489
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490 1. Study history extensively, your best material will come from here.
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491 History always repeats itself, so just reword some past historical items
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492 into present and future predictions and call them your own.
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493
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494 2. Predict devastating events. People seldom remember happy or positive
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495 events when they are predicted, they are too busy enjoying them. When
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496 bad things happen they want someone to tell them "I told your so".
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497 Somehow it makes people feel better when they think that someone knew
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498 what was going to happen.
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499
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500 3. Sprinkle in some rather obvious events that even an idiot could
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501 predict that way they will more likely believe the more outlandish
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502 predictions. An example would be to predict war in an area of the world
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503 where there has always been war like the middle east. The chances of it
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504 happening are quite good.
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505
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506 4. Don't worry about the predictions not coming true. People don't
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507 remember predictions that don't come true, they only remember the ones
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508 that do especially when they are particularly devastating.
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509
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510 5. Publicize! By all means, toot your horn. This is why you should
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511 predict a lot of things. The more you predict the greater the
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512 probability that some of them will occur. When they do come true
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513 publicize them!
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514
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515 6. Be a little vague so that you can adjust any prediction to fit a
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516 situation when it does occur, but not so vague that you can't point to
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517 it and say that it is a detailed prediction of the occurrence. You can
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518 add the details after the occurrence.
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519
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520 7. Natural and man-made disasters are very productive predictions. They
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521 always have and always will occur, so you can't go wrong here.
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522 Earthquakes, fire, flood, pestulance, and war are always good for a few
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523 predictions. The further into the future you predict the more outrageous
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524 your claims can be. Earthquakes seem to be quite popular with the past
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525 prophets. Probably because they were so devastating and are fairly easy
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526 to predict if you pay attention to history. Currently the San Andrea's
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527 fault quake prediction is a good one to get onto. It is extremely likely
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528 that it will happen within the next couple of decades, and when it
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529 happens you can say you predicted it! All you have to do is predict that
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530 it will happen "this year" every year until it does. If you are
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531 particularly adventuresome give a specific date. If you hit it (one in
|
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532 365 chance) you'll be a big success (see #5 above though). If you miss,
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533 you can still say "well it did happen this year, so I was close".
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534
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535 8. Always use props or ritualism mechanisms to divine your predictions.
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536 People don't want to believe that you yourself actually come up with the
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537 predictions, but they will happily believe that the predictions come
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538 from outside of you either through spirits or from some God.
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539
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540 9. When the prediction involves the present or near future always be
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541 vague enough so that people can rationalize it away. Let them interpret
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542 it in their own words. The more rope you give them the greater chance
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543 that they will find a way to accept it as truth. But be sure to weave
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544 some common truth or obvious prediction that they can anchor themselves
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545 to so that they can believe the prediction as a whole. Remember, you can
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546 always expand on the prediction and add the details later. If you die
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547 and your predictions are particularly voluminous your followers can then
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548 interpret and expand on them if you give them something that can be
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549 easily adjusted.
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550
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551 10. Don't publicize too strongly until after the prediction comes true
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552 if your into present and near future predictions, that way you can
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553 rewrite the prediction more easily. This also allows your followers to
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554 do the same for those predictions that last past your own life span.
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555 The less written wording there is the easier it is to rewrite the
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556 history of the prediction.
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557
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558 Finally,
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559 Don't worry about nay-sayers, for every nay-sayer there is a
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560 sucker out there ready and willing to believe anything you pour into
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561 their gullible little minds.
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562
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563 -- J.D. --
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564 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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040=Usr:272 Talos 03/24/88 22:59 Msg:1349 Call:9090 Lines:13
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565 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
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566 Ah yes, well, Nostrodamos (SP?) was rather close in his predictions. But it
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567 seems to me the further in the future he went the further he was off. He did
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568 come real close to Hitler (He guessed Himler), and who knows maybe in 2086
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569 there will be a nuclear war. I can't take the Bible seriously, I'm not knocking
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570 God or religion (Relax big guy!), After King (Whatshisname, Richard?) had the
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571 Bible rewritten, all authenticity was lost and threfore is considered void. (No
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572 Refunds!). The "Educated" guess by scholars was It was rewritten to "Fit" the
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573 events of their current past more closely. I don't know if this is true or not,
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574 I'm just wasting time typing on this bbs while waiting for some other bbs's to
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575 open up. Enough for now!
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576 Talos
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577 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
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041=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 03/25/88 01:02 Msg:1350 Call:9098 Lines:4
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578 %*#()$%*@)(%*!_)*+%$*!+)*!~_#*!_$*!)_&#%_)*!%_)!*$!)@*$_)!*~_)$*_!$*!_@$*_)!*@$
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579 Cap't : Glad to hear you are having a flying good time! I would surmise that
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580 the business is indeed looking up. More on that other ship of fools later.
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581 *$)(@#*$)_@$*)_*$!@_)$*!)_@$*!@$!$ L'homme sans Parity *$@#*$!)_$@)$*!@)$!%&!)*
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042=Usr:219 Friar Mossback 03/25/88 20:34 Msg:1351 Call:9127 Lines:12
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582 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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583 As our dear friend Ronnie Ray-gun would say, "There you go again." Try not to
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584 use biblical quotes as proof that something specific occured. It just won't
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585 work. If you can find the corroborative evidence as to specific predictions
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586 in other sources, then we can talk.
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587 As an aside, why is it usually christians who feel they must justify and prove
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588 their religion? I have never had a Buddhist or Confucian try and convert me,
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589 and Islam would rather the western world die a painful death. I am not sure,
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590 but perhaps it is a fundamental insecurity? I don't know.
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591 As for the ten commandments of succcessful prognostication, GREAT!!!
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592 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Friar [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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593
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043=Usr:245 Doug King 03/25/88 22:58 Msg:1352 Call:9132 Lines:3
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594 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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595 I really don't give a rat's hat for any of this bible stuff. I agree with J.D.
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596 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Bartender SLUG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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044=Usr:272 Talos 03/26/88 02:46 Msg:1353 Call:9141 Lines:8
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597 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
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598 Well, I'm not that religious myself Slug, Personally I like JD (Jack Daniels
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599 that is, Not that I don't like J.D., I just Prefer Mr. Daniels. In fact, I like
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600 to get into fights with Jack and lose, badly!). I don't think I'm any religion,
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601 but when I'm falling down a cliff, I do believe you'll hear me screaming to s
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602 some god or other!
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603 Talos
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604 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
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045=Usr:237 barefoot john 03/26/88 02:59 Msg:1354 Call:9142 Lines:19
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605 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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606 Swaying trees and rippling waters mingled with toughts of scarcely
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607 remembered images. It was time to again don the cloak of the ancient ways.
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608 Was he up to the task? Yes, the potential was there, waiting like a coiled
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609 spring. Necessity would bring it forth like a fresh spring rain seduces
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610 the blossoms from the wild flowers.
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611 First he must remember. No written record of the ancient ways existed.
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612 Such writing was considered to be a mere reflections of the real thing. For
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613 countless ages the understaunding had been passed on from teacher to student
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614 through experience. Young hunters learned from those who knew the ways of
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615 the deep wood. Sure, swift hands taught the skills of spinning and weaving
|
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616 Wait, that wasn't entirely true. Somewhere deep among the trees there
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617 was a crystal clear pool. All around it were large rocks, carved into many
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618 shapes and symbols. Once he'd been taken there and gazed in wonder at the
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619 luminous images. Could he find his way alone? Who would guide him now that
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620 Kiji had joined the spirits? It was said that you could only hope to find
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621 the pool if your motives were pure. Now he must remember the rituals of
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622 tranquility and purification.
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623 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Still Waters~~~
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046=Usr:237 barefoot john 03/27/88 03:40 Msg:1355 Call:9175 Lines:18
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624 { <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< /* capt'n barefoot */ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> }
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625 L'homme --- Somewhat, but it's paid for in the coin of personal
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626 freedom. Lookin' at the terrain ahead it sure would be great
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627 to have a 'double-barrelled code slinger', such as yourself,
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628 as a travellin' companion Here's hoping you'll be laughing
|
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629 and dreamin' again soon.
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630
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631 BRITTANIA --- The capt'n been using it for longer than he cares
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632 to remember, however feel free to share it. It's unlikely any
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633 would confuse our styles.
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634
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635 'd' --- Aren't you the naughty one? <chuckle> Pushing the Bible
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636 Button, causing all the boys to jump on it like a June bug on
|
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637 an apple blossom.
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638 Here's another cosmic mystery folks. Way down here in 'DIXIE'
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639 the June Bugs arrive in May, but the May Flies don't show up
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640 until June.
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641 {<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< /* capt'n barefoot */ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> }
|
||
047=Usr:414 Nora Nogood 03/27/88 13:30 Msg:1356 Call:9183 Lines:6
|
||
642 This is a test.
|
||
643 This is only a test of the emergency bitcom system.
|
||
644 We are attempting to contact anyone through outer space on
|
||
645 bitcom..
|
||
646 IF you have eight legs, four ears and ten eyes, please contact.
|
||
647 I repeat. Please contact through this bulletin board.
|
||
048=Usr:7 Leonard Erickson 03/27/88 17:32 Msg:1357 Call:9193 Lines:16
|
||
648 _____________________________________________________________________________
|
||
649 d: As I understand it, the Old Testament only achieved a form resembling it's
|
||
650 current one *during* the Babylonian exile. There is apprently a lot of
|
||
651 evidemce that it0gas massively edited and re-written then. Thus none of the
|
||
652 "prophecies" of the exile can be considered valid, as the may have been added
|
||
653 at thiis time.
|
||
654 Given the level of literacy at any time until the Middle Ages, re-writing
|
||
655 the Scriptubes without getting caught would be childishly simple. And don't
|
||
656 forget translators errors. The most grievous example of *that* is the infamous
|
||
657 "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." The word translated as witch, was
|
||
658 actually "poisoner". Yn view of the suffering caused by this *one* error and
|
||
659 the hundreds of years it took to get it corrected (actually it *still* hasn't
|
||
660 been corrected in many translations!!!) I find it impossible to accept the
|
||
661 Bible as the word of God. If0He qllowed this kind of error, what other errors
|
||
662 may be there?
|
||
663 _______________________________Leonard_________________________________________
|
||
049=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 03/28/88 01:04 Msg:1358 Call:9213 Lines:27
|
||
664 &*%@*%_@#*)_*_)!*%$@+1#(%+!_#%_)#@!*%!_)*%_!#*%_)^*_)*_)^*$_)^*#)_^*#_)^*#_)^*#
|
||
665 Cap't : Alas, I too would enjoy the coding companionship of a free-spirit not
|
||
666 confined to the ways of the Warnier-Orr and the like. The slap-dashers and
|
||
667 the tele-hacking electronic nufer-do-wells quickly tire and discourage those
|
||
668 of a more lofty and more deeply committed engineering stance.
|
||
669
|
||
670 I have been told by more than one person that good things come to those who
|
||
671 wait, and 'what comes around goes around.' The paths f consciousness take
|
||
672 two distinct paths at this point. How long to wait? In waiting there is no
|
||
673 action, and inaction often spells doom. But what is better? Action in a
|
||
674 direction that is wrong, or inaction that brings neither good nor bat. But
|
||
675 to act is to take destiny in your own hands. Karma be damned! For it is I
|
||
676 who guides my ship in the sea of existence. Is this so wrong, or are the
|
||
677 musical philosophers who said "If you choose not to decide, you still have
|
||
678 made a0choice" correct after all. Perhaps it is a combination of both
|
||
679 contexts into one usable philosophy of life - White and Black don't exist.
|
||
680 Day and Night are merely dreams. Everything is gray, all is between the
|
||
681 extremes. Meld the paths that vorm bight and left, and forge your own
|
||
682 trail through the between.
|
||
683
|
||
684 Work on the between I will - but perchance what do you say about these
|
||
685 things. I have grown to respect the calls of your ever-insightful watch.
|
||
686 Just as the keen-eiud wure picked to stand and search the open sea for
|
||
687 those things that were desired and feared, you are asked to give your
|
||
688 opinion, in whatever form you wish. It is up to the captain of a ship
|
||
689 to decide the actions in response to the calls of0the0watch.
|
||
690 *&%@*%@#*%@(%&)@#%*@#%&@#%@% L'homme sans Parity %&#@)(%&@#)(&~!@_()*!@_)$*!@
|
||
050=Usr:85 Mark Forsyth 03/28/88 02:32 Msg:1359 Call:9215 Lines:9
|
||
691 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
|
||
692 Leonard - You pointed out just one of the }any dranslation errors in
|
||
693 the bible. One that comes to my mind is the ever favorite
|
||
694 saying "The virgin Mary." Well, guess what word they goofed.
|
||
695 The original word means young, NOT virgin.
|
||
696 I too vind it hard to believe something that has been subject
|
||
697 to so much change of the years. If only the originators of the
|
||
698 bible could read it today, what would they say?
|
||
699 = = = = = = = = = = = = -Mark.= =
|
||
051=Usr:245 Doug Ki~g 0 03/28/88 18:09 Msg:1360 Call:9229 Lines:3
|
||
700 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
|
||
701 Mr. Parity, there is also the saying "No matter where you go, there you are."
|
||
702 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<,<<<< Bartender SLUG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
|
||
052=Usr:379 Phoenix Polymorp 03/28/88 18:44 Msg:1361 Call:9230 Lines:8
|
||
703@I thought that was "No matter where you go, no matter what you do,
|
||
704@ there you are, doin' it."
|
||
705P
|
||
7 6 Sounds fromiliar.....
|
||
707
|
||
708 Mr. Polymorph, Banzai Institute, Wilsonville branch.
|
||
709
|
||
710 ^C
|
||
053=Usr:7 Leonard Erickson 03/28/88 22:25 Msg:1362 Call:9237 Lines:5
|
||
711 _____________________________________________________________________O___O
|
||
712 I am most familar with the verse I quoted due to having a large number
|
||
713 of acquaintances in the Wicca community. As you can imagine the are not
|
||
714 exactly thrilled with the "literalist" types....
|
||
715 _________________________________Leonard__________________________________
|
||
054=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 03/29/88 06:08 Msg:1363 Call:9244 Lines:2
|
||
716 I have seen my share of crazy witches, and in my opinion they should all be
|
||
717 placed in a wicca basket!
|
||
055=Usr:415 Tom Richardson 0#?29/88 10:12 Msg:1364 Call:9255 Lines:16
|
||
718 Looking for help in setting up this modem to operate at 1200 baud.
|
||
719 It is a Rixon TA-1200 (a 1 series) not auto dial. Works fine at 300
|
||
720 baud, but on 1200 it reaches the bbs, and then prints strings of
|
||
721 garbage instead of words as the bbs tries to communicate. Am embarrassed
|
||
722 that I only return garbage to system. Am using 7 bit word setting, even
|
||
723 parity, ^M^MNU dial string and AT D initial. Software is "Mite", part
|
||
724 of the Framewbk package. Modem self tests seem to run OK. Any help would
|
||
725 be greatly appreciated. I can return help with info on home audio/video,
|
||
726 as that is my specialty. If on bbs, send message to Tom Richardson. Land
|
||
727 voice line is 239-8833.......often q machine, but will record as long as
|
||
728 you keep talking. Thanks.
|
||
729
|
||
730 ep
|
||
731
|
||
732
|
||
733
|
||
056=Usr:61 Emu 03/29/88 20:59 Msg:1365 Call:9268 Lines:23
|
||
734 .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.=.-.-.-.-.-.
|
||
735 "To sleep; perchance to dream..." Actually, L'homme, sleep has been
|
||
736 experienced in the near past by me and my other. The third in our party
|
||
737 is still a three ring circus (eat, sleep, get messy), but the second
|
||
738 parameter yc increasing in duration (thank God). Perhaps in another few
|
||
739 days we shall all meet again, and you may gaze upon the new flesh of my
|
||
740 flesh, bone of my bone, spirit of my spirit.
|
||
741
|
||
742 Between the DEQ and dual SU carbs, I'm quite disgusted0at the moment. I'm
|
||
743 even going as far as calling in the professionals to take over. I've given
|
||
744 up hope for doing it myself. This poor auto has never forgone the brutality
|
||
745 of tri-county environmental abuse, since it used to live in that othur twn.
|
||
746
|
||
747 By the way, I might have some more used reference material to pass on to you
|
||
748 if you are willing. They have something to do with the box on my desk at
|
||
749 work (hint hint).
|
||
750 Sorry, nothing more literate than that. Someday, `erhaps Miranda shall
|
||
751 have something more to tell us. Anyway, give me a call, I've got some
|
||
752 new toys to show you...
|
||
753
|
||
754 A hearty "Hello" to those who might know me, and "See youse guys later..."
|
||
755
|
||
756 .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.->-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.Emu
|
||
057=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 03/29/88 23:33 Msg:1366 Call:9272 Lines:12
|
||
757 *#$%*@)_%*@_#*!@_)*!+(!@_+)$(!@)_$(*)_@!~($!_+$)(!+|$)+_!*$_!*$)_!#&%!)_*!_)$*
|
||
758 Emu: Ah yes, good old SU's. My Holley's other name ic folley, because sometimes
|
||
759 it seems like folly to get it to behave - usually it does, the last adjustments
|
||
760 I made seemed to help out quite a bit. A thank the maker for manual chokes!
|
||
761
|
||
762 I would like to visit and see all of your latest creations and toys. I knowest
|
||
763 what you speak of, and will submit to less decorative conversational routes for
|
||
764 further discourse on those subjects.
|
||
765
|
||
766 Good to see your tired but smiling face around here again. May the sun always
|
||
767 shine in your part of the world.
|
||
768 *%#_*%_)@%*@)%*@#)_%*@_#%*@_)#*%_)@ L'homme sans Parity %*#)_@%*_#%*@_#*%@_#%*@
|
||
058=Usr:272 Talos 03/30/88 00:33 Msg:1367 Call:9274 Lines:7
|
||
769 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><:.<*>,*><*><*><*><*>
|
||
770 Of rules:
|
||
771 I feel it is best that we break some, bend some, ignore some, and
|
||
772 enforce some so that the world continues turning at it's own pace.
|
||
773
|
||
774 Talos
|
||
775 <*><*><*><:.<*>,*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
|
||
059=Usr:53 prince dragon 03/30/88 17:23 Msg:1368 Call:9288 Lines:1
|
||
776 ATT: RVA CALL CAW 281-5250 THIS WEEKEND
|
||
060=Usr:416 Robert Dinse 03/30/88 19:06 Msg:1369 Call:9294 Lynes:47
|
||
777 Try Eskimo North (206) For-Ever (206) 367-3837
|
||
778 ut-sr o Conference o User-to-User Chat
|
||
779 nline Games o Programming o Usenet Mail Access
|
||
780 Room Messages o Unix Access o Tutorials
|
||
781 o Humor o Picue0 File Transfer
|
||
782 o Pix Support o No Time Limit o No u/d ratio reqd
|
||
783 => Multi-User capability supports simultaneous callers.
|
||
784 Interact in real-time in Chat, Conference and Games!
|
||
785 >Cneee etfins, Share Opions - Realtime!
|
||
7860 > Chat with any other user online! Realtime!
|
||
787 => Online Gae sr-User Chess over modem!
|
||
788 Otherlands pits you against other users and computer
|
||
789 gnrtdcetrs 9 Games Online! Try them!
|
||
790 >Poramming online, Basic, C, Fortran, Pascal.
|
||
791 => Online tutorials and help! Over 2-1/2 megabytes of help
|
||
792 flst epyou learn the ins and outs of this system.
|
||
793 >Uee ol-iemil!
|
||
794 => Room Message System - Topic divided message system.
|
||
795 >Fl nxAcs o>ALL< users.
|
||
796 => Humor - We have hundreds0of kilobytes of humor! If you
|
||
797 ne ag,cekout our humor section!
|
||
798 => Pictures - Over 200 digitized picture files and programs
|
||
799 t ipa hmfrmost microcomputers!
|
||
800 >Fle Transfer - Xmodem, Xmodem CRC, 1k Xmodem, Ymodem,
|
||
801 Zmodem,0Ker}it, ASCII trnfr.Areas for just about
|
||
802 aycmuter, just about any type of file, binaries,
|
||
803 suce, text, pictures, music, try it!
|
||
804 => Online utilities - tar, ar, arc, lu, cpio, zoo for
|
||
805 archiving/de-archiving online; pack/unpack/pcqd,
|
||
(06 compress/uncompress/zcat, sq/usq/catsq for file
|
||
807 compression/decompression online, and many others!
|
||
808 => There are >NO TIME LIMITS<, >NO UPLOAD/DOWNLOAD RATIO
|
||
809 RQIEET<on Eskm ot!
|
||
810 => Your first >TWO WEEKS ARE 100% FREE< that'c for
|
||
811 >OPEEUNRESTRICTED ACCESS< so you can look us over
|
||
812 and decide for yourself. After that it's only a low
|
||
813 $/onth fee to help us with our $250/month phone bill
|
||
814 adnwaditions to the system.
|
||
815 => Validation is required! We vqlidate by phone within 24
|
||
816 hours of your applicto!Tis is necessary for your
|
||
817 ko o o' ike those programs that
|
||
818 format your disk without warning, we don't like them
|
||
819 ete!S. lease forgive the inconvienience!
|
||
820 Eskimo Nobth (206) For-Ever
|
||
821 300/1200 (206) 367-3837
|
||
822 2400 (206) 365-5458
|
||
823
|
||
061=Usr:272 Talos 03/31/88 22:24 Msg:1370 Call:9329 Lines:6
|
||
824 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
|
||
(25 Counting wn!!! In 1 hour and 10 minutes I'll be 20yrs old! (So that means
|
||
826 365 days, 1 hour and 10 minutes til I'm 21. However, this will be my 3rd annual
|
||
827 twenty-first birthday party. Well, see ya around.
|
||
828 0 Talos
|
||
829 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
|
||
062=Usr:245 Doug King 04/01/88 18:33 Msg:1371 Call:9356 Lines:5
|
||
830
|
||
831 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
|
||
832 Hmmmmmm....Not 21 huh Talos? We'll have to talk about this when you drop by
|
||
833 Houdini's for a drink......... Chow for now!
|
||
834 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Bartender SLUG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
|
||
063=Usr:421 Robin Ramsey 04/01/88 20:45 Msg:1372 Call:9362 Lines:11
|
||
835 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
|
||
836
|
||
837 And the debate still goes on....l'homme greatest appologies a long0dime since
|
||
838 we last chatted and yes I did receive the note dated sometime in july I believe
|
||
839 and no I don't have the address on the envelope. But I have a new on here.
|
||
840 We moved over the hill to the other side of the island. Wetter but what the hey
|
||
841 ...I still have my snorkle. Take note 630 Wanaao RD Kailua HI 96734
|
||
842 If you get bored during working hours (ours) try 1-800-533-0066.
|
||
843 Best wishes to all!
|
||
844
|
||
845 ::::Alex:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::*::::::::::::::::
|
||
064=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 04/02/88 08:36 Msg:1373 Call:9372 Lines:11
|
||
846 *%#$*%)_$#*%_)@%*@_)%*_@)*_)%*_#%@_#)%(@_)^&%*#_)_@!$(*!_)(+~_#|(#)_+*#)%*_)!$!
|
||
847 Aha : Another thought-long-lost soul is heard from - this time from a tro`ycal
|
||
848 paradise in the pacific ocean. Alex! You old risk hacker you, glad to hear that
|
||
849 you received at least some of the mail I pointed your way. I have recorded the
|
||
850 address and the phone number. hmmm. a '1-800' number, I will have to try that
|
||
85! out. And what's this about moving to the other side of the island? Wetter, like
|
||
852 in 200 inches annual wetter? And we all think Portland is puddle city! Glad to
|
||
853 hear from you, and I hope Barb and Alex II are doing well. Expect some sort
|
||
8540of communications soon. You know, Alex, there hasn't been a Risk game like
|
||
855 the good old Risk games since you left...
|
||
856 *&%@*%()@*_)~*$)_!&%)#*)@_#%*@)#_ L'homme sans Parity %*#)*%@)_#%*_!~)@$*!+@$!+
|
||
065=Usr:219 Friar Mossback 04/02/88 10:32 Mcw:1374 Call:9374 Lines:3
|
||
857 L'homme - There is a game starting up on CBBS NW, three spots open at this time
|
||
858
|
||
859 Black, pink, and yellow.
|
||
066=Usr:351 art yerkes 04/02/88 16:10 Msg:1375 Call:9378 Lines:6
|
||
860 [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[K[[ART----ART ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
|
||
861 BACK again to those who were here long enough.
|
||
862 I'M here noto those who werent.
|
||
863 I got an account on GEnie (like compuserve)
|
||
864 Now they forgot my password.
|
||
865 [[[[[[[[[[[[[K[[[K[[[[[[[[[[[[[ ART==ART ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
|
||
067=Usr:283 KEVIN CONNELL 04/03/88 00:34 Msg:1376 Call:9397 Lines:8
|
||
866 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@Kev C.############################
|
||
867 'scuse me, cap'n barefoot, but are you named after your talents?
|
||
868 If so, I am also interested in barefooting- if not, I look like a total fool!
|
||
869 Anyways- I am really kindof bored with this bible stuff, and all those
|
||
870 prophet quotes. It really has nothing to do with life0(mi~e, anyways).
|
||
871 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@#################################3
|
||
872
|
||
873
|
||
068=Usr:237 barefoot john 04/03/88 00:50 Msg:1377 Call:9398 Lines:22
|
||
874 { <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< /* capt'n barefoot */ >>>>>>>>>>>>.>>>>>> }
|
||
875 Aye, a call from on deck, and with a ring of urgency. "Ease 'er
|
||
876 off to l'ward a bit, she'll ride the waves much easier. Listen,
|
||
877 she'll tell you when you've got it right."
|
||
878
|
||
879 By the time he got topside with two stea}ing cups, "Southwind"
|
||
880 was 'full and by'. She still rushed wildly down the face of the
|
||
881 big waves, but the 'frenchman' had a steady hand on the wheel.
|
||
882
|
||
883 "See you have mastered the skills of wind and wave, now the Sea
|
||
884 chooses to deach 'seamanship'. When you began this voyage, to
|
||
885 search for the 'mysteries of the sea', you might have suspected
|
||
886 there would be a test now and then to see if you are ready for
|
||
887 what comes next." (They aways have such things in0the0mystery
|
||
888 adventures!) "Let's take a short reef in the main, that should
|
||
889 ease the strain a bit until this gale blows by. Now where did I
|
||
890 put that chart?"
|
||
891
|
||
892 CISTOP -- Thanks for the goodies via u.s. snail. Will do the same
|
||
893 soon, via same media. Hope thinks are looking bright for
|
||
894 you.
|
||
895 { <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< /* capt'n barefoot */ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> }
|
||
069=Usr:237 barefoot john 04/03/88 01:23 Msg:1378 Call:9399 Lines:5
|
||
896 Kev C. -- I am somewhat infamous for my disdain of footwear in any
|
||
897 form. For several years I walked barefoot on the decks of a fine
|
||
898 ole' schooner, swashbuckling around the world. Haven't been the
|
||
899 same since.
|
||
900 { <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<,<<<,< /* capt'n barefoot */ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> }
|
||
070=Usr:159 ted mittelstaedt 04/03/88 20:25 Msg:1379 Call:9418 Lines:10
|
||
901 ``````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
|
||
902 To those of you who tire of the biblicql quoting going on, your are missing the
|
||
903 entire point of the religious fanatics. The thing that has always amazed me
|
||
904 about them is their single minded devotion to a device that is nothing more
|
||
905 than a collection of shapes on paper. Never mi~d txat the 'Bible' contains its
|
||
906 own self proofs, an amazing thing in it's own right, (amazing that anyone
|
||
907 stands to believe them) , but the whole point is that they devote their whole
|
||
908 philosophical point of reference to a single document.0Gheeb else do you find
|
||
909 such devotion?
|
||
910 ```````````````````````````000000000001TED`````````````````````````````````````
|
||
071=Usr:245 Doug King 04/03/88 23:33 Msg:1380 Call:9425 Lines:3
|
||
911
|
||
912 I agree with above.
|
||
072=Usr:272 Talos 0 04/04/88 08:45 Msg:1381 Call:9432 Lines:3
|
||
914 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
|
||
915 I agree with the below.
|
||
916 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
|
||
07#=Usb:23 Grann 04/04/88 10:34 Msg:1382 Call:9433 Lines:1
|
||
917 The last two statements were just plain malarky.
|
||
074=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 04/04/88 23:51 Msg:1383 Call:9441 Lines:4
|
||
918 I disagree with the two above, but support the above.0My vindings on the
|
||
919 third above are still under construction. As for agreeing and disbelieving
|
||
920 any of the below, that is non-determinable.
|
||
921 __________________________________________________________________________
|
||
075=Usr:159 ted mittelstaudt 4/05/88 17:09 Msg:1384 Call:9456 Lines:1
|
||
922 Wheres your frame of refrence, buddy
|
||
076=Usr:159 ted mittelstaedt 04/05/88 17:58 Msg:1385 Call:9457 Lines:5
|
||
923 `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
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924 Mescage to: Agora bbs/The Runner/ Secular humanist. Sysop of;:
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925 Please do not use Cntl-D as the key to get out of your message entry, and
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926 into your editor. It is used as the hangup command by my modem
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927 ```````````````````````````````````000000 00001TED`````````````````````````
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077=Usr:7 Leonard Erickson 04/06/88 16:37 Msg:1386 Call:9480 Lines:8
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928 Ted: agora runs under Xenix (a form of unix) you *have* to be able to send ^D
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929 to use some features. Maybe he'll come up with something for you, but I am
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930 inclined to doubt it.
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931 Sounds like you are using a Novation modem? I can only assume it was
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932 *extremely* cheap. If you've got a pc clone, there are 1200 bps internal
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933 modems for as little as $69. If you need an external mdem, it might run you
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934 as much as $100.
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935 _________________________________Leonard_______________________________________
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078=Usr:329 mark Holdahl 04/07/88 14:42 Msg:1387 Call:9497 Lines:15
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936 THINS IS WORLD WATCH THREE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>04-0'-88.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>16:13>
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937 This is Phoenix Polymorph at the Banzai Institute [Wilsonville branch]
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938
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939 I'd like to thank whomever left me Mr. Wirth's address an ph.#.
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940
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941 I think I have a lead on the socks; It's a plot by the duxti|e and laundry det
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942 ergent companies! There is an agent of some sort in the socks that reacts with
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943 an agent in the soap causing only one of the socks to disintegrate!
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944
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945 16:17>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.>>>>>>>>>>>wwiii
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946
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947 The Phoenix Polymorph Show is brought to you by the Bagwana Corp.
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948 Bagwana, makers of Shtinko Cigaretts. Shtinko, for the smell of luxury and the
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949 and the smile of arrogqnce.
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950 ^C
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079=Usr:408 DOUG LEARY 04/07/88 19:47 Msg:1388 Call:9500 Lines:5
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951 This is Emilio Lizardo calling World Watch 3 ... I have the socks!! Me!!
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952 I have them, and I intend to USE them !!! Deposit three trillion Zods in
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953 the0old oak tree by the crossroads, or it will be Sayonara to those hose,
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954 Jose`!
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955 ....................................... * zot!
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080=Usr:283 KEVIN CONNELL 04/07/88 22:59 Msg:1389 Call:9503 Lines:7
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956 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@Kev C.##3###3##############################
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957 Bummer, Cap'n, Barefootin, is real fun, but to no avail, you be famous for
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958 what ye are!
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959 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@###################################
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960
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961
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962@ Gxo txe Hell is Kev C?
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081=Usr:379 Phoenix Polymorp 04/07/88 23:43 Msg:1390 Call:9506 Lines:7
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963 Phoenix here. I didn't think Banzai took care of you!! Shulduv know you had a
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964 hand in this!
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965 :
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966 O.K. everyone, I've only got 1.35 trill. Zds! Looks like we gotta start a fun
|
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967 d raiser. Uh, doc. what is the time limit?
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968
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969 ^C
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082=Usr:23 Grann 04/08/88 11:09 Msg:1391 Call:9509 Lines:7
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970 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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9'1 World Watch III: I recieved my monthly/bimonthly phone call from Mr. Wirth
|
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972 and wife; I asked about ILLUSIONS and he said he doesn't have it. I relayed
|
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973 his address and phone. It was kinda nice to hear from them... seems Scott
|
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974 is about to0becme a "petty person" soon and will be able to inflict all of
|
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975 his sadistic daydreams upon unsuspecting grunts. :-)
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976 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ M&G 880408124620 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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083=Usr:159 ted mittelstaedt 04/08/88 18:53 Msg:1#92 Call:9516 Lines:12
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977 ``````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
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978 Leonard: Yor assumptions are only half right- I am not using a Novation modem,
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979 but the modem I am using is EXTREMLY cheap, as a matter of vact it is free.
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980 It is an ENVAX 501, it is really designed to the TELEX network, but it will
|
||
981 also connect to the phone network. It has (believe it or not) 15k of memory
|
||
982 and full editing features. The idea was for it to connect to a printer a~d
|
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983 terminal and the terminal operator to compose messages for later transmission.
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984 I also have a simpler non-programmable modem that WILL send CNTL D and I
|
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985 suppose that I will have to use that when I connect to Agora. I do need an
|
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986 externql mdem, however, since the only thing I have is a terminal.
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987 ``````````````````````````````000000001TED```````````````````````````````````
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988 bye
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990 ////////////////////////////Mercury\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
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991 Some religiouc fanatics skip around. Perhaps the bible ione day, koran(Islam)
|
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992 the next, torach(Jew) the third. But as for the converting aspect, well
|
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993 we Christians are going a little over board.....
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994 //////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\L\\\L\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
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085=Usr:428 Mercury X 04/09/88 10:33 Msg:1394 Call:9529 Lines:4
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995 (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((Mercury))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
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996 misspelled torah there.....By the way, Cap'n Barefoot-barefootin does sound
|
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997 like fun, might try it sometime....
|
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998 (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((())))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
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086=Usr:7 Leonard Erickson 04/09/88 14:16 Msg:1395 Call:9535 Lines:1
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999 Gee, I guess I get the last word....
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