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NUMBER OF LINES: 629
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1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask......
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2 *********************** REMOVED: 18 SEP 83 ****************************
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3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator
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4 ************************************************************
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5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION PLACED ON
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6 THIS SYSTEM.
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7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privatly owned
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8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public.
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9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system.
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10 It is intended that the system be normally used for messages and
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11 advertisments by the users. As the system is privatly owned, I retain the
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12 right to remove any and all messages which I may find offensive
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13 to me. Additionally because of the limited size of the system, it will be
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14 periodically purged of older messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved)
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15 The saved information will be cycled to drive 'B' while the information on
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16 drive 'B' will be archived, and a fresh disk will be installed in drive 'A'.
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17 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out
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18 of the enter mode. The message is automaticly stored.
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19 If after entering the message you find you made a mistake,
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20 use the replace command to replace the line.
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21 To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up.
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22 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system.
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23 ========================================
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24
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25 Mikey: Since most of the time a /0 error happens at a time when you
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26 want a very LARGE number as a result (if not, please tell me what
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27 on earth (or elsewhere) you are doing!) I think the interpreter
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28 should return some LARGE # as the answer (preferably some number
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29 that can't be gotten any other way). I'd like to define some
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30 "non-valid" bit pattern (most BASICS have at LEAST one) in a numeric
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31 variable as "infinity" (or whatever). This would be similar to
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32 some Basics that have a defined variable "PI". This way you could
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33 get a "valid" answer AND be able to test for the /0 "error" without
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34 messing with error trapping subroutines (a simple IF A = INFINITY THEN...).
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35
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36 DOM: Almost ANY machine with a Microsoft BASIC will have error
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37 trapping routines. I KNOW that the following machines have them:
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38 TRS-80 Model I (Level II & Disk BASICs only)
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39 TRS-80 Model II
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40 TRS-80 Model III (same restriction as Model I)
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41 TRS-80 Models 4,12&16
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42 TRS-80 Color Computer (EXTENDED BASIC only)
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43 TRS-80 Model 100
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44 Apple II
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45
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46 The following machines do NOT have Error trapping (ie ON ERROR GOSUB ):
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47 ZX-80 & 81
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48 Timex Sinclair 1000
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49 PET 2001
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50
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51 If I didn't mention a system, then I don't know. I SUSPECT that
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52 the VIC-20 & C-64 don't support error trapping.
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53 ONE FOR THE TRS-80!!!!!!!!! TRON.... The Mad TRS-80 fan!
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54 Now as for the "Sub-Atomic S*xuality" discussion: Please remember
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55 to take into account the lastest Quark discoveries. Should Pauli
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56 exclude particles merely because they are "strange"? What effect
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57 does "charm" play in the love life of the proton? And what about
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58 "truth" & "beauty"?
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59 STAY TUNED FOR THE ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS IN
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60 THE NEXT EPISODE OF "QUANTUM DEGENERACY"!! (c) 1983 all rights etc.
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61
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62 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~
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63
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64 Who is the above person?? Has Signed resumed his previous identity of
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65 Unsigned or is there another unsigned in our midst? In any event, thanks
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66 for the above info (regarding error trapping).
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67
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68 I am looking foreward to the above mentioned lecture.
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69
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70 I STILL WANT TO KNOW HOW TO ROLL MAKIZUSHI, any suggestions?
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71
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72 Dirty
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73
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74 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~
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75 TO DOM: GET HIM DRUNK FIRST (OOOOH SO BAD A JOKE)
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76 TO MIKEY: AGREE COMPLETELY WITH /0=0. MOST APPLICATIONS ARE BUSINESS
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77 ORIENTED, WHERE WHAT ONE WANTS IS A RATE OR PERCENTAGE, E.G.
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78 WHOLESALE COST/#UNITS IN INVENTORY=AVERAGE COST AVERAGE COST HERE
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79 SHOULD BE ZERO IN MOST APPLICATIONS IF THERE CURRENTLY ARE NONE IN INVENT-
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80 ORY. HOWEVER THIS WOULD NOT BE TRUE IN SCIENTIFIC OR ENGINEERING APPLI-
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81 CATIONS, AND THE RESULT GIVEN SHOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO THE GENERAL USE
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82 OF A SYSTEM.
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83 TO BAD: HAVE READ ISSUE REFERRED TO, QUITE INTERESTING, ARE YOU A FIG MEMBER
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84 TO DOM: THATS OK DOM NO PROBLEM. SEE NEXT MESSAGE.
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85
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86 TO ALL: CAN REACH ME THROUGH SOURCEMAIL AT STI194, CAN GET ME ON COMPUSERVE
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87 AT CHATTER OR CB OCCASIONALLY UNDER THIS MONIKER.
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88
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89 TO ALL: EVRYTHING ELSE ON WANG 1200 MODELS STANK, BUT ONE NICE THING THEY
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90 DID HAVE WAS THE ABILITY TO (ON SOME VERSIONS) GET VERY PRECISE CONTROL
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91 OVER ERRORS, FOR EXAMPLE BRANCHING TO A PARTICULAR LINE OR ROUTINE IF A
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92 PARTICULAR ERROR NUMBER ON A PARTICULAR LINE OCCURRED. OTHER MACHINES HAVE
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93 ALSO HAD VERY GOOD ERROR CONTROL BUT THE OPERATING SYSTEMS ON THESE MICROS
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94 WON'T BE UP TO THIS TYPE OF THING TILL EVERYONE HAS HARD DISK, I SUSPECT.
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95
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96 I THINK 5.75 AN HOUR IS EXPENSIVE, LET ALONE $100/HOUR. IN A SOCIETY
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97 WHERE ACCESS TO TRAINING AND OTHER INFORMATION IS SO VITAL, WE SHOULD
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98 STRIVE TO MAKE SHURE ALL MEMBERS OF SOCIETY HAVE ACCESS TO IT. A POOR
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99 KID SHOULD AT LEAST BE ABLE TO GO TO THE LIBRARY AND HAVE ACCESS TO THIS
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100 STUFF THERE FOR FREE. THE LIBRARY COULD PAY SOME FEE LIKE THEY DO WITH
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101 BOOKS. HOW ABOUT A BUCK AN HOUR FOR NETWORK ACCESS FROM THE HOME?
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102 ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))BATPOOP, THE MAGNIFICENT++++++++++++++++++++
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103 [{(*)}]|[{(*)}]|[{(*)}]|[{(*)}]|[{(*)}]|[{(*)}]|[{(*)}]|[{(*)}]|[{(*)}]|[{(*)}]|
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104 O melancholy poet, O betrodden one, thou hast inspired me:
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105
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106 It flows like a river, rapid, but seemingly never ending,
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107 Though the stones beneath the surface may be cold, jagged and piercing,
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108 Only the smallest of ripples can be seen from above.
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109
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110 It wails as the brisk winds in the forest in Autumn,
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111 Forceful and destructive, yet to be heard only from within,
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112 To one who watches from a distance, there is only the gentle bowing of the trees.
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113
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114 It roars like the thunder on a warm September night,
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115 To those who are close, the warning is clear,
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116 But the time to beware is past, for ligtning has already struck.
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117
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118 Then a leaf is torn from the tree by the wind,
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119 Falling into the river, it is barely able to remain afloat,
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120 Because the ripples so small now seem so big.
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121
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122 =Apollo=
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123 [{[{(*)}]|[{[{(*)}]|[{[{(*)}]|[{[{(*)}]|[{[{(*)}]|[{[{(*)}]|[{[{(*)}]|[{[{(*)}]|[{[{(*)}]|[{[{(*)}]|
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124
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125 what complete bullshit. How can anyone person spew forth so much of it ?
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126 wonders will never cease...unfortunately.
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127
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128
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129 IIIIIIIIIIIII
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130
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131
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132 I#AP230,CC,PB,DT,CB,HC
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133 II#AP230,CC,B,DT,CI,HC
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134 IIIII#AP230,CC,PB,DT,CB,HC
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135 SO THATS WHAT 'ESC I' DOES!
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136 WHAT DOES #AP230,CC,PB,DT,CB,HC MEAN ?
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137
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138 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~
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139
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140 Its amazing, its astounding!!!
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141 Batpoop agrees with mikey. I agree with Batpoop regarding scientific
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142 applications, and since I haven't the slightest business background I am
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143 willing to concede that he is probably right on that point also. I percieve
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144 that Aaron, Unsigned (or Signed as the case may be) and BAD are also scien-
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145 tific/engineering types who may be willing to make the same concession.
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146 If so, this means that we are all (at least all who have expressed an opinion
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147 on the matter) TOTALLY, WHOLLY, ENTIRELY, UTTERLY, COMPLETELY,
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148 UNFLINCHINGLY, WITHOUT THE SLIGHTEST RESERVATION:
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149
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150 >>>>>IN AGREEMENT!!!<<<<<
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151
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152 Isn't this boring? Dirty Ol' Man
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153
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154 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~
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155 I
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156
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157 ^^-^^^-^^^^^-^^^^^^^-^^^^^^^^^^^-^^^^^^^^^^^^^-^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^-^^-^^^-^^^^^
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158 (un)signed, With your attitude of "I know the answer, but I'm not going to tell
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159 you! So there. Nya!", I sincerely hope that you are not involved in research!
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160 The strain and mental anguish it would cause you to turn in a report, even
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161 worse if something should get published where where we, the ignorant people,
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162 could get hold of it, would be too cruel.
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163 SINCERELY YOURS THE DOCTOR
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164 ^^-^^^-^^^^^-^^^^^^^-^^^^^^^^^^^-^^^^^^^^^^^^^-^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^-^^-^^^-^^^^^
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165 [{(*)}]|[{(*)}]|[{(*)}]|[{(*)}]|[{(*)}]|[{(*)}]|[{(*)}]|[{(*)}]|[{(*)}]|[{(*)}]|
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166 O thou uncultured one:
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167
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168 How perceivest thou thy pass,
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169 With thine head up thine @!#%*?
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170
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171 =Apollo=
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172 [{(*)}]|[{(*)}]|[{(*)}]|[{(*)}]|[{(*)}]|[{(*)}]|[{(*)}]|[{(*)}]|[{(*)}]|[{(*)}]|
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173 IT WOULD SO SEEM THAT THERE MAY BE INDEED AN AGREEMENT OF SORTS.
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174 SAY, HOW ABOUT WE SUE FOR OPTIONAL ZERO HANDLING? I GET ZERO RET
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175 THE ENGINEERING TYPES GET INFINITY, AND EVERYBODY ELSE GETS ERRORS!
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176 OR IS IT ME WHO GETS ALL THE ERRORS?
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177 ********* CISTOP MIKEY ********* 13 SEPT 83 ****** 4:25 ************
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178 ?????????
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179 Well here goes. Hi everybody. I'm not quite a new user, since i have been
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180 reading messages on this thing for a few months. But I finally decided to
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181 stick my big toe in the water and chance a message. I really like the format
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182 of this system, and all the interesting people around. I guess the
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183 informalness of the format lets people really be themselves.
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184 There really are some sharp people around here. You know who you are. I'll
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185 try to keep up with the current discussion, whatever that is.
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186
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187 As to the discussion of /0. I've programmed for a few years, and have
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188 occasionally been zapped by /0. But I don't think it should hide the error
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189 by returning infinity, especially it because it cant anyway. And returning
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190 0 would hide the error, maybe surfacing later in even more strange ways.
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191 Sure, its no fun getting an error message, but a program that tries to divide
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192 by zero is already doing something wrong, and an error message might be useful.
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193
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194 I guess a good analogy is that of type checking in compilers. In some languages
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195 like Pascal the variables are strongly typed, meaning you cant get away with
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196 anything. In others, like LISP, you can get into all sorts of trouble.
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197 I dont know which I prefer, but the protection of checking can make debugging
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198 easier.
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199 Well, there you are! I did it! Since most of you seem to have some kind of
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200 handle, now that I'm conversing, I will too. I dont know how you select yours,
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201 but here goes.
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202 ----------------------------------------------- P. V. Jeltz-------------------
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203 To: Robert From: Art
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204 Your harder to get a hold of then a greased fish.
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205 cul
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206 ```````````````````''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
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207 But probably a lot less disgusting.
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208 ```````````````````''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
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209 I#AP230,CC,PB,DT,CB,HC
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210 I#AP230,CC,PB,DT,CB,HC
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211 I#AP230,CC,PB,DT,CB,HC
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212 I#AP230,CC,PB,DT,CB,HC
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213 I#AP230,CC,PB,DT,CB,HC
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214
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215
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216
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217 HMMMM
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218
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219 IT WORKS!
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220 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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221 in the presence of an auto mechanic, one would not say "gee...whats the
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222 feasibility of running a car on table salt?" or, say, in a bakery
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223 "how 'bout using WD-40 to keep those muffins from sticking?"
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224
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225 stupid? impossible? Yes, no one would ask those questions.
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226
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227 BUT............
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228
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229 "why cant i hook my rs-232 directly into the phone lines without a
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230 modem? I mean, at 1200 baud the signals are well within the audio
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231 range and therefore it should be possible to transmit them over a
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232 voice line"
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233
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234 OR.............
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235
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236 "whats wrong with pulling that ram card out with the power on?"
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237
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238 "can I abort a disk write operation by turning the drive off?"
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239
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240 "why does my computer say "SYNTAX ERROR" when I type in "tell
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241 me how old I am"?"
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242
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243 to someone unfamiliar (to various degrees) with computers, these
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244 are INTELLIGENT, VALID, AND DEFINATLY WORTH ASKING questions. You
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245 would not stand up and say "boy, you have no business owning a
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246 computer, you mental neanderthal." (or would you?) I think that
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247 I can safely say that no one using BWMS would. (why? probably
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248 because we can remember when we would have (or did!) ask those
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249 questions)
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250
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251 BUT...........
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252
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253 what if the person asking those questions did so at the AI SIG
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254 meeting?
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255
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256 or this person was the EDP manager for your office?
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257
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258 surprise hardly qualifies ! (a quick check with Roget's......)
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259 stupefaction ,agahst, awe-struck, flabergasted might,though.......
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260
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261 espicially if:
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262
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263 You had gatherd a group a people together, strangers yet sharing a
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264 common bond: their quest for knowledge, their enjoyment of a challenge,
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265 their love of intelligent company. As you sit siping your coffee,
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266 discussing, say, business applications of the C64 within a small sub-
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267 group, while other sub-groups (all in your living room) (rather cozy,
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268 informal, just some acquaintances shooting the breeze about all and
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269 everything, from politics to poetry) discuss all else, someone pipes
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270 up with (he's not in your sub-group, but he's on the couch in front
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271 of you and seems to be speaking in rather loud tones)
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272 "wow! you guys wanna try something neat? run your finger up and down
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273 the PC board of your micro and watch for a lightshow! in fact, if you
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274 shuffle you feet across the carpet first, it might even be neater! I
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275 do it all the time and WOW! you guys otta! "
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276 and concludes with:
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277 "it hasnt hurt my computer a bit! "
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278 you might be able to stay in your seat and keep your comments to a
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279 muffled giggle. We wouldn't want to throw a damper on things, so OK,
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280 its his oppinion and its FINE. You continue with your smalltalk, p
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281 eraps with your ears just a little more attuned to the voices carring
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282 over from the sub-group in front of you. Everythings fine. That is,
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283 until you here :
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284 "wow! neat! i think ill try that tonite!"
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285 and...
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286 "gee! what a neat observation! i agree! that might be fun!"
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287
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288 Now, if you could stop screaming "ARGH! DONT DONT DONT NO NO NO!"
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289 for a second, and "IMBICILE ! WHAT ARE YOU TELLING THESE PEOPLE! "
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290 and "YOU SHOULDNT BE ALLOWED A COMPUTER, YOU MENTAL NEANDERTHAL!",
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291 you would notice that you very QUICKLY changed the WHOLE tone of the
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292 evening; its not fun anymore. In fact, your words fell upon deaf ears;
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293 they closed the NANO-SECOND you began your abusive (yet justifiable)
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294 commentary, and were wasted, you should have said nothing, THE RESULT
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295 would have been the same as it will be; these people will simply
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296 destroy there computers.
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297
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298 well, well.....what has been accomplished? NOTHING except DAMAGE
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299
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300 you pipe up "well, what COULD i have done?"
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301
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302 the answer? well, lets start with where the problem started. and where
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303 is that? when the first hopless said "finger the PC for a good time"
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304 if you had said :
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305 "excuse me, but i think that that would be detremental to your
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306 computer, sir"
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307
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308 you might get in responce
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309
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310 "gee really? just who are you? what makes you a know-it-all? "
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311
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312 which does not help the situation at all.......
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313
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314 often the response will be:
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315
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316 "Why?"
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317
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318 do you feel like discussing the mechanics of CMOS breakthru and
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319 leakage enhancement? probably not (at least with this fellow)
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320 so......
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321
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322 "because it damages the internals of your computer"
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323
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324 so far you have been responsible... you have
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325 a) POLITELY alerted the person to a fallicy in his concepts
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326 b) offered an explanation THAT IS APPROPRIATE TO BOTH THE
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327 ENVIRONMENT AND THE LEVEL OF THE SUBJECT.
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328
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329 your responsibility is complete, the ball is in his hands now...
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330
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331 yet the "enlightend" (supposedly) users of BW are failing at these
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332 points.....a) is not accomplished POLIETLY and often b) is ignored,
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333 because of the fealing of "this jerk dosnt deserve an answer, if he
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334 dosent accept my superior knowledge, so be it" or "im to busy to
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335 get into a fruitless discussion with this rookie"
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336
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337 so solution 1 is for those of us that think we a just a little better
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338 (or alot!) to strive to points a and b. i know i fail often....yet
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339 there is ALWAYS another chance to succede..
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340
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341 well, i said that the ball is in his court now, and it is...
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342
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343 if he, to start with said the "just who are you, and you are
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344 certainly CLOSE-MINDED about new ideas..." line after you
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345 r polite interjection, he has fumbled already......
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346
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347 It is the RESPONSIBILITY for EVERYONE to realise that there are
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348 people WHO KNOW MORE THAN THEY..(gulp! that hard for even me to
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349 swallow!) maybe if i rephrase.....
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350
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351 It is the RESPONSIBILITY for EVERYONE to at least LISTEN to those
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352 who are TRYING to help you! (via superior knowledge or not!)
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353
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354 so....lets assume are hopless did perk up with a "WHY?" and you
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355 came up with the "because".....
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356
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357 our hopless now has the choice of deciding.....
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358
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359 1) you dont know of which you speak
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360 2) you do know of which you speak
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361 3) i need more information
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362
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363 if he takes choice one:
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364 he procedes to talk of such things,ignores your warning....
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365
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366 well, thats OK (repeat...OK)
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367
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368 BUT! he certainly should not be PO'ed if you still take
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369 exception......
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370
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371 choice 2:
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372
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373 well ok, youve won, just dont let it go to your head
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374
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375
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376 he takes choice 3:
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377
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378 you have the option of discussing it further with him,OR NOT !
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379
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380 if you choose to explain further....all the better
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381
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382 but if you choose not to, it is certainly your chioce, and it
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383 would be unreasonable for him to go flapping
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384
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385 "well XXX wouldnt explian it so i dont beleive him and he dumb
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386 and ugly and sucks slug s---"
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387
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388
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389 It is the CORRECTEE'S RESPONSIBILITY to realize that not everybody
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390 has the time or inclanation to explian the basics of plasma nucleonics,
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391 marxism, or AI.
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392
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393
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394
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395 sooo.......... that concludes that so i can do a
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396 ENDIF (remember the "espicially if" way up there? oh,well i cant either)
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397
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398 MAYBE, thru these examples, one can gain an insight why there is such
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399 a violent reaction on BW when someone says something like "people can
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400 travel to alternate dimensions through a black hole" (i KNOW noone
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401 said that,i just trying to take a little of my own medicine and avoid
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402 getting personal)..........
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403
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404 a conclusion? well,ok..........
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405
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406 We all are intellegent, no question about it. If we can EACH remember
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407 that EVERYONE else here has both a BRAIN AND EMOTIONS to accompny
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408 it, that would be a good start.Want even a better start?
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409
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410 The differnce between acting like HUMAN 1983 and HUMAN 1389 is
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411 neglidgable in energy expendened, yet ENORMOUS in benifits
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412 derived therfrom.
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413
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414
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415 and of course an apology is due to the users who have to tolerate
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416 my +150 line diatribe, i just felt it was time for a change to
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417 a happy and productive environment here at the inn........
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418
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419 Aaron
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420 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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421 *******************
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422
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423 Boy, that didn't sound like Aaron to me.
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424 DP
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425 *******************
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426
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427 ============================================
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428 hi jim
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429 joeduck
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430 ============================================
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431 go ducks, go go go go go go go go ducks !!!!
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432
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433 this message brought to you courtesy of joeduck
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434
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435 ============================================
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436 BP: no, I am not a FIG leafer, I prefer C.
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437 The worst thing program can do when handed garbage is return something
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438 that looks good, but isn't, so on /0 I prefer a certain error exit, but
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439 the program should NOT crash like most basics do. No the VIC has no
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440 on error goto, so you must do your zero checking before you try to divide
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441 by it. Please would someone tell me when 0 would be a valid response to
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442 a/0? how do you tell this from 0/a?
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443
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444 Who winterizes computers?
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445 ///////////////////////BAD 0531:14-9-83\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
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446 Oops.
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447
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448 I'm gone for only a few days, and look what happens. A firestorm. I see blood all around. But I'd like to clear up some
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449 apparent confusion. Before, I didn't sign any messages, thinking that I was the only (almost only) one that did so.
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||
450 But 3 days ago my computer fell into a deep slumber (I was careless) and couldn't log on. Fine. Great. It seems that
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451 along came somebody who also didn't sign their messages. I can't accuse anyone of attempting to forge a non-signature,
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||
452 can I, but the result was an obvious mess. I fear the s**t will fall on me.
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||
453 What do I do? It was my mistake in the first place, since I should have made my messages more identifiable. So I will adopt
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454 a nom-de-plume, an AKA, an alias, whatever. Maybe that will stem the tide of confusion.
|
||
455
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456 I am anonymous, so I will be ANONYMOUS. By this appelation, I not only identify myself, sort of, but I also become
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457 the single most prolific source of poetry in the English language (you know, Anon.) (another oops; no, I have never put
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458 poetry on this system, and will never)
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459 I hope this clears up the confusion, or at least part of it.
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460
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461 Once I thought that all messages over 50 lines should be banned. But the long message above
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462 proves that I was wrong. Thanks, Aaron.
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463
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464 Anonymous
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465 ___________________________________________________________________________
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466 TRON!! DON'T overwrite my msgs! (besides the only reason most of the
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467 machines listed are TRS-80s is because those are what I had info on!)
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468 I am the person who wrote the section from the beginning of the
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469 disk (ln 25) to the (c) notice for QUANTUM DEGENERACY (R). Except
|
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470 (except for the line TRON added in the middle). Apparently my
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471 signature got "lost". Oh well.....
|
||
472 Now for an applicable quote:
|
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473
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474 On any matter not self-evident there are ninety-nine persons totally incapable of understanding it for one who is capable;
|
||
475 and the capacity of the hundredth person is only comparitive, for the majority of the eminent men of every past generation
|
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476 held many opinions now known to be erroneous, and did or approved numerous things which no one will attempt to justify......
|
||
477 In the case of any person whose judgement is really deserving of confidence, how has it become so? Because he has felt that
|
||
478 the only way in which a human being can make some approach to knowing the whole of a subject is by hearing what can be said of
|
||
479 it by persons of every opinion, and studying all modes in which it can be looked at in every character of mind.
|
||
480 John Stuart Mill, "On Liberty" 1859
|
||
481
|
||
482
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483 Now #AP230,CC,PB,DT,CB,HC in response to ESC I means that you are
|
||
484 running an APPLE using VIDTEX. ESC I is the CIS terminal identification
|
||
485 code prompt. I'm not sure what ALL of it means, but CC means your
|
||
486 machine supports the CIS Cursor Control ESC sequences. PB means
|
||
487 that you support their protocol B transfer (used in ACCESS). I
|
||
488 don't know what the rest of them mean but they all are coded info
|
||
489 for the CIS computers. I have a TRS-80 Model III & my sequence is
|
||
490 #RS633,CC,CW,G4,PB,CB,DT,HC (note: in the code on the disk says
|
||
491 233, not 633) CW is control width (64 or 32 char screen). G4 is a
|
||
492 LOW res graphics mode (color), my machine "simulates" the colors.
|
||
493 If you wish, I'll see if HC, CB, & DT are in my notes. (WARNING:
|
||
494 VIDTEX allows EXTENSIVE remote control of your machine. The screen
|
||
495 and/or keyboard can be enabled/disabled, the buffer can be opened
|
||
496 closed or zeroed, ALL REMOTELY! Worse, if someone knows how, they
|
||
497 can enable the prtocol b transfer & access your disks!)
|
||
498 _________________________Leonard___________________________
|
||
499
|
||
500 PHOTO EQUIPMENT FOR SALE-A NIKON 35 MM-ALPS AUTO TELE-CONVERTER,2X
|
||
501 MULTI-COATED WITH NIKON LENS SERIES E 50MM(1:1.8)AND A VIVITAR MACRO
|
||
502 FOCUSING (FULL)ZOOM LENS-75-205MM(1:3.8)-PRICE FOR ALL,200.00 OR BEST
|
||
503 OFFER-CALL RICK AT 287-xxxx.HAVE A GOOD ONE.........................
|
||
504
|
||
505
|
||
506 THANKS LEONARD..... IF THERE IS ONE THING I DISLIKE IT IS A TERMINAL PGM DOING THINGS BEHIND YOUR KEYBOARD....
|
||
507
|
||
508 -RR-
|
||
509
|
||
510
|
||
511 )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))+
|
||
512 TO LEONARD: IS THERE ANYTHING YOU KNOW OF ON THE SOURCE AND COMPUSERVE
|
||
513 TO PROTECT ONESELF FROM TIME THIEVES CHARGING ONES ACCOUNT?
|
||
514 TO AARON: WAS THAT REALLY YOU?
|
||
515
|
||
516 OK, HOW ABOUT THIS EXAMPLE OF 0/0 IF YOU DIDN'T LIKE THE LAST ONE. YOU
|
||
517 ARE A BUSINESSPERSON IN CHARGE OF PURCHASING. YOU WANT TO GET THE BEST RATE
|
||
518 OF 'TURNS' ON INVENTORY POSSIBLE, TO PRODUCE THE BEST POSSIBLE PROFIT FOR
|
||
519 YOUR DOLLARS AVAILABLE FOR INVENTORY. THE 'TURNS' ARE GIVEN BY
|
||
520 UNITS SOLD/AVERAGE QUANTITY IN INVENTORY. IF A PRODUCT WAS OUT OF STOCK
|
||
521 THAT MONTH YOU STILL WANT IT ON THE REPORT, UNLESS THE ITEM HAS BEEN DIS-
|
||
522 CONTINUED. YOU MAY HAVE HAD ORDERS, WHICH BECOME BACKORDERS. THIS FIGURE
|
||
523 WILL APPEAR ON THE REPORT AS WELL. IF YOU HAD NO QUANTITY IN INVENTORY
|
||
524 YOU WILL HAVE HAD NO SALES. THUS YOU HAVE NO TURNS.
|
||
525 0 TURNS=0 SALES/0 INVENTORY. THIS FIGURE IS MEANINGFUL, BECAUSE OF THE
|
||
526 BACKORDER FIGURES. IF YOU HAD BACKORDERS, YOU MADE A MISTAKE IN HAVING
|
||
527 NO INVENTORY AND THUS NO SALES, BECAUSE PEOPLE WANTED TO BUY. THE
|
||
528 SITUATION OF BACKORDERS WITH NO SALES BUT INVENTORY, A 'LEGAL' FORMULATION,
|
||
529 IS NOT GOING TO OCCUR (0 TURNS=0 SALES/SOME INVENTORY QUANTITY) BECAUSE
|
||
530 IF YOU HAD INVENTORY YOU WOULD HAVE HAD SALES. NOW BY LOOKING AT ONLY
|
||
531 TWO , PERHAPS ADJACENT, COLUMNS ON THE REPORT YOU CAN TELL FROM THE BACKORDER
|
||
532 COLUMN IF 0 TURNS MEANS NO INVENTORY (/0) WHEN THE BACKORDERS ARE POSITIVE.
|
||
533 IF BACKORDERS ARE 0 YOU CHECK INVENTORY TO ELIMINATE THE POSSIBILITY OF
|
||
534 'DEAD' ITEMS IN STOCK (MEANING HAVE A SALE). THIS IS ONE WAY YOU CAN NOT
|
||
535 ONLY SAFELY IGNORE THE RESULT OF THE CALCULATION 0=0/0 BUT USE IT IN A
|
||
536 POSITIVE MANNER. THIS IS HOW IT IS OFTEN DONE. ON SOME COMPUTERS YOU
|
||
537 STILL NEED TO DO THE ERROR TRAPPING, HOWEVER, TO KEEP THE PROGRAM FROM
|
||
538 BLOWING UP AND FORCING AN OPERATER TO RESTART THE JOB.
|
||
539 )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))BATPOOP, THE MAGNIFICENT+++++++++++++
|
||
540 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~
|
||
541
|
||
542 Batpoop: Thanks for the example. As mentioned earlier I am about as adept
|
||
543 at business applications as a butterfly at scuba diving, so it will require
|
||
544 some pondering on my part. In the mean time, your handle has reminded me
|
||
545 of a question which has been lurking in the back of my mind for quite some
|
||
546 time now. Perhaps you or someone else with knowledge in this area can en-
|
||
547 lighten me. Is it true that bats hang up side down in caves, and if so, how
|
||
548 do they release their biological by-product without getting very, very
|
||
549 messy?
|
||
550
|
||
551 Dirty Ol' Man
|
||
552
|
||
553 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~
|
||
554 ------------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
555 Atari's also do error trapping, in fact the trap routine can
|
||
556 determine the particular error and the program line that the
|
||
557 error occured -- so that you can take the appropriate action
|
||
558 without bombing your program!
|
||
559 --------------Atari User (and proud of it)------------------------
|
||
560 Discrimination! That's all we hear on this system! Discrimination.
|
||
561 Whenever any of you want to criticize someone, you always call him
|
||
562 a Neanderthal. Well, for your information, the Cro Magnons I've
|
||
563 talked to were just and dumb, ugly, mean, and violent as any
|
||
564 Neanderthal. But they're not even given equal time. I thought the
|
||
565 Fairness Doctrine Applied to this system, too. Let's be fair, guys.
|
||
566 Call somebody a Cro-Magnon today, and even the score.
|
||
567
|
||
568 (The preceeding was a political announcement donated to
|
||
569 the Cro-Magnon Equality Organization in reply to all
|
||
570 the mentions of the Neanderthals.)
|
||
571 ------------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
572 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
|
||
573 yes, Batpoop, 'twas I..................
|
||
574
|
||
575 BAD: any news on that strangness I gave you?
|
||
576 Aaron
|
||
577 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
|
||
578
|
||
579 }[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
|
||
580 ACTUALLY, NEANDERTHALS AND CRO-MAGNONS HAD AVERAGE BRAIN SIZES LARGER THAN MEN TODAY. THE NEANDERTHAL'S BRAIN WAS
|
||
581 EQUIVALENT TO MODERN MAN IN MOST AREAS, WITH THE INCREASE IN SIZE IN THE PART OF THE BRAIN DEDICATED TO EYESIGHT, WHILE
|
||
582 THE CRO-MAGNON'S BRAIN WAS LARGER IN THE FOREBRAIN AREA. THIS DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY WERE SMARTER THAN MODERN HUMANS,
|
||
583 AS INTELLIGENCE IS DETERMINED BY A LOT OF OTHER THINGS BESIDES ABSOLUTE SIZE, SUCH AS THE NUMBER OF NEURONS BETWEEN
|
||
584 THE VARIOUS SECTIONS, DIET, ETC.. AND IT WOULD BE ILLOGICAL TO REFER TO THEM AS STUPID, SINCE WE HAVE NO WAY OF
|
||
585 TELLING EXACTLY HOW SMART THEY WERE. FOR SOME REASON, THERE WERE NO I.Q. TESTS AT THAT TIME, WHICH SHOWS THEY WERE
|
||
586 A LOT MORE INTELLIGENT THAN WE GIVE THEM CREDIT FOR.
|
||
587 AARON, AARRRGH!!! OK, FINE, I'LL PICK THE SUBJECT. FROM THE LAST 10
|
||
588 DISKS OR SO, I WOULD HAVE TO SAY THAT VERY FEW PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO EXPRESS WHAT THEY WANT TO SAY WHEN THEY MUST DO IT
|
||
589 NON-VERBALLY. IN FACT, WHILE I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR THE OBVIOUS KNOWLEDGE AND INTELLIGENCE OF THE PATRONS OF
|
||
590 THE INN, IT BOTHERS ME TO SEE THAT SO MANY OF THEM SEEM TO LACK KNOWLEDGE OF THE RULES OF LOGIC AND ARGUMENT. WHEN
|
||
591 I WAS IN SCHOOL (I'M REALLY NOT AS OLD AS THAT MAKES ME SOUND), THE BASIC RULES OF LOGIC, ARGUMENT, AND CRITICAL
|
||
592 THINKING WERE TAUGHT ALONG WITH GRAMMER AND CREATIVE WRITING AT THE HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL. APPARENTLY THAT ISN'T SO NOW,
|
||
593 AS AD HOMINEM, DICTO SIMPLICITER, AND BEGGING THE QUESTION APPEAR FREQUENTLY IN MUCH OF THE WRITING HERE. WHY IS
|
||
594 THIS? IS IT TAUGHT, BUT JUST IGNORED? OR HAS IT BEEN ABANDONED ENTIRELY?
|
||
595 C'MON, AARON, YOU HAVE MANY ANSWERS, SO WHAT'S THE ANSWER TO THIS?
|
||
596
|
||
597 [][][][][][][][][][][][]PAM.[][][][][][]
|
||
598 Another example of /0, consider that inventory tax is due. Now consider
|
||
599 (for the sake of easy calculation) that the tax is 1% of the value of the
|
||
600 goods in inventory. Now if we have 100 widgets at a value of $10 each, then
|
||
601 the total tax for the items would be $10. 100 X $10 = $1000 / .01 = $10
|
||
602 Now if we have 0 thing-a-majigs, which have a value of $1 each, then the
|
||
603 total tax would be $0. 0 X $1 = $0 / .01 = $0.
|
||
604 Please note that I do not necesarily feel that zero MUST be the value returned
|
||
605 from the equation, it is only that I am expressing my frustration that
|
||
606 someone decided to make the program blow if a divide by zero occured.
|
||
607 Thus I must do a check each time I perform an equation of this sort. This can
|
||
608 be very difficult if the equation is extensive (and if you ever delt with taxes
|
||
609 they are unbeleivibly complex!).
|
||
610 ******* CISTOP MIKEY ******* 9:30 PM ********** 14 SEPT 83 *****************
|
||
618 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~
|
||
619
|
||
620 Good grief, in consideration of the number of times I have attempted to
|
||
621 call and found the line busy in the last 24 hours (about 100+),
|
||
622 I expected that we would be 3/4 the way through the next disk by now.
|
||
623 I hate to suggest such a thing, but perhaps we should have a time limit.
|
||
624 I think six hours should be adequate to read the entire contents of both
|
||
625 disks 27 times, compose 12 medium length poems, criticize 14 other
|
||
626 BWMS users, and enter into meticulous
|
||
627 deliberation on eight unfamiliar subjects.
|
||
628 Dirty Ol' Man
|
||
629 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~
|
||
|