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F I D O N E W S Volume 15, Number 52 28 December 1998
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| The newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: |
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| FidoNet community | "FidoNews" |
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| _ | +27-41-515-913 [5:5/23] |
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| | | \ \\ | Editor: |
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| | (*) | \ )) | Henk Wolsink 5:7104/2 |
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| (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. |
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| | -- JOSEPH PULITZER |
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Table of Contents
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1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
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2. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR .................................... 2
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The Twit Responds - Reply to Bob Moravsik by Douglas My .. 2
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3. ARTICLES ................................................. 4
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ECHO TALK - Doc Logger on Coordinator Activity ........... 4
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BBS = Bulletin Board System .............................. 4
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Revitalizing Middle Tennessee Net BBSes .................. 6
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FIDONET IN THE 2ND MILLENIUM ............................. 6
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4. NOTICES .................................................. 10
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5. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 11
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6. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 14
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FIDONEWS 15-52 Page 1 28 Dec 1998
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EDITORIAL
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Greetings,
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Hope you had a good Christmas and did not indulge yourself into
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too many nice things. ;-) If you did, you may find yourself a
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few pounds/kg havier.
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I would like to thank all of YOU who contributed during the past year
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and hope sincerely, that you will continue doing the great work in
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1999.
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Why we have seen nothing from the ZC's & IC during the past year?
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Whatever it was, lets hope that we WILL see something from those
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gentleman during 1999.
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Have a great time and if you intend to blow away some of your hard
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earned cash on fire crackers and the likes, do it in such a manner
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that nobody gets hurt and keep them crakers away from your pets.
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Any animal for that matter!
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Like if you did not know, this IS the last issue for 1998 and will
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see you all in 1999.
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Happy New Year,
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FIDONEWS 15-52 Page 2 28 Dec 1998
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LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
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The Twit Responds
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Ref: "The Tampering of the Elist"
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Reply to Bob Moravsik by Douglas Myers
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> Some of you may have read the drivel posted by Douglas Myers
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Please note that I didn't need to resort, as you do, to calling
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individuals a "twit" or "tamperer" to present my arguement. Let the
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readers decide who is posting drivel here :)
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> Most of his article describes the world through the eyes of a person
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> to argues that reality is what he claims.
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^-- who
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Did you expect me to argue that reality is not what I claim?
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> The real issue (and only issue) is: "Do the Elist keeper resolve
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> disputes ?" ^-- Does
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Actually, the elist keeper has been called upon to resolve several
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disputes lately. There was a dispute over listing multiple
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moderators, a dispute over allowing listings with spaces, a dispute
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over the way listings were permitted to expire, and others. The
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elist keeper was expected to resolve each one.
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> What's LaCostaPol ? Its this secret set of rules that only Thom
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> LaCosta knows.
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Where's the secret? Thom has stated consistantly that he recognizes
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the moderator of an echo as the individual responsible for
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maintaining the elist entry. If it's a secret, it isn't very well
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kept.
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> There are two sides to this issue.
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> 1. Moderators "control" conferences and the elisting is their
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> property. This is not supported by any Fidonet policy or the
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> laws of any nation (Remember, Fidonet is international)
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Nor has such been argued by me. In fact, I believe that moderators
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must ultimately serve the echo participants or they will either be
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driven from the echo or abandoned to the echo. What is actually at
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issue is the question of who speaks for the echo participants. The
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moderator is recognized by the NAB, FidoSpine, and Elist Keeper.
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Each of these bodies looks to the moderator field in the elisting to
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determine who this spokesman is. If you choose to call him
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"trustee" or "steward" or "owner" or whatever, that's fine... but he
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FIDONEWS 15-52 Page 3 28 Dec 1998
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or she should be listed in the moderator field for the world to
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know.
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> 2. Moderators serve the participants.
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> If one takes the later then the elist password is seperate from the
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> moderator.
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You make this assertion, but offer no arguement as to why the
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password should be denied the moderator. The password is little
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more than a housekey - if it's lost or stolen, then it's appropriate
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to change the locks.
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> Without guidance from Satti (who has the power to extend Fidonet
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> policy), LaCosta should not have compromised the Elist security.
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> THAT IS THE ONLY ISSUE.
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I'm not sure why Fidonet Policy should need extended here.
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Certainly it doesn't require an act of Congress if some apartment
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manager decides to change a lock after a tenant vacates... and the
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new tenant might even feel that security has been enhanced :)
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FIDONEWS 15-52 Page 4 28 Dec 1998
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ARTICLES
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. -- -- -- -- -- ECHO TALK -- -- -- -- -- .
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| Food for thought from Fido's echomail. |
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| Purloined without permission by D Myers |
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` -- -- -- -- -- -- - -- -- -- -- -- -- '
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Doc Logger on the subject of Coordinator activity:
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I think your appraisal of the role of *Cs lets them off too lightly
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when you suggest that they haven't been obstructionist. Every action
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that Satti has taken towards Region12 or members of our region has
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been exactly that. Kohl and Hinton engaged in exactly the same
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activities, getting their knickers in a knot when nodes sought to
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join an environment where they were made welcome. It may be an
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academic point to ask how many nodes gave up in disgust when they
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encountered a Bob Hall, a Dave Hunter, a Hans Toby, a Gary Gilmore,
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or any of a raft of other people who forgot that the point was
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communication rather than turf wars.
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I'd bet my stuffed armadillo collection that you could lay all of
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the missing Montana nodes at the doorstep of an NC whose overweening
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control ambitions throttled the net...ditto for net243.
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When the ZC is paralyzed by incompetence, the tribal sense of
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belonging is lost because the sysop peasantry see the organization
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in terms of fading, semi-literate relics clinging to power which
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they weild capriciously. Even a fractional amount of initiative on
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the part of a *C can bring spirit to the enterprise, and conversely,
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a bunker-hiding *C can create the opposite effect.
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BBS =3D Bulletin Board System
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OSP =3D Online Service Provider
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Okay, now read the first two lines 3 more times. Now take a look at
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your system which you are running or logging in to. Is it more like a
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"BBS' or an "OSP", well most of you should say "OSP", as this is what
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it really is.
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The "BBS" part is still there, if you see or run an effective
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Bulletins section of the system, then call that section BBS, as the
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rest of the system is an Online Service Provider.
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It is not changing the "BBS",it is changing the name to a better well
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understood name. "BBS" is nolonger a "BBS" anymore! "BBSes" years ago
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used to only have local bulletins, but for the past 15 years or more,
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many systems do not even have 1 useful bulletin!
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FIDONEWS 15-52 Page 5 28 Dec 1998
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Why is a "BBS" called a "BBS" when there is no Bulletins?? why? When
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you can call it an "OSP" and it sounds more like what it really is.
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Do you know where the "BBS" term came from? Well I bet most of you
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probably have no clue, it is quite simple, in the 1970's "BBS" were
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used for that very reason, to pass out bulletins to whom ever wanted
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to know, and that was all. Then one day some programming decided to
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add some extra features to their "BBS" like email support, and public
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msgs sections, eventualy it became what you see today. But today, it
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is no longer a "BBS" it is undoubtably an "OSP". The term "OSP" was
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used back then, but nobody understodd what an "OSP" was, yet they
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know what a "BBS" was, so everyone continues to use the term "BBS".
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No that term is over used in our online culture, this needs to be
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changed to it's proper term.
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I'm not saying an "OSP" has too offer internet services, but still
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can offer BBS-email (OSP-email) , online games, public message domains
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(echomail) and so on. An ISP does not offer personal online games, msg
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conferences, inter-ISP games, and so on. This can work with almost
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every feature of a "BBS" or we should say "OSP".
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Overall, if you think about what a "BBS" is today, it can offer a lot
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and I do mean a heck of a lot more services than any ISP can offer to
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it's customers (users) and most "BBS"'s of today are free, if not
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really cheap for extra and special accesses.
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It all just makes more sence this way. We can be powerful systems once
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again. The time is here. The technology is here. The market is here
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more than ever. Lets use it.
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All an "OSP" needs to be called an "OSP" is, what all "BBS"s have now.
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and if there are _NO_ usefull bulletins, then is _NOT_ a "BBS" at all.
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A "BBS" has bulletins. An "OSP" has any other online service
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available, and this DOES NOT have to be an internet service; just
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services like online games, public message domains, multi-node chat,
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local private email. Sounds familair?
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Just think, try to explain "BBS" to someone who never loged on to one.
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What do they think is on it? bulletins. Are people always attracted to
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bulletins? no. If you say "OSP" what will they think? "humm sounds
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interesting, I wonder what services they offer.", and voila you get
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some new users. And from there, it is your system that should attract
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them.
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Please try to inform other users and SysOps in your area somehow on
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what an OSP is and that BBS is only a section of an OSP. Work
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together, and this old, yet not used very often term will be in it
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correct place.
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Doesn't it just make more sence?
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Please pass this information on to your NEC, ZEC, and other local
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SysOps. thanx
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FIDONEWS 15-52 Page 6 28 Dec 1998
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**PS: and remember this**
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"call your system what it really is, not something it isn't!"
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written by Joel Gathercole aka Greenie
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-BBS World Magazine - 26/12/98
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Revitalizing Middle Tennessee Net BBSes
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An Attempt at Revitalizing Net 116 BBSes
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by John Graves, 1:116/35, Net116@nashville.com
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In the article in Fidonews Volume 15, Number 8, entitled
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"Revitalizing a Small Part of Fidonet" by Neil Hoener, 1:128/103,
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Mr. Hoener describes one of the ways that Pikes Peak Net is trying
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to revitalize their BBSes. The Pikes Peak Net asked Hilgraeve Inc.
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for permission to include icons for their BBSes along with an
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upgrade for HyperTerminal 3.0.
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For those who may be unfamiliar with HyperTerminal, it is the basic
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terminal program Microsoft includes with Windows 95, 98, and NT 4.0.
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Shortly after Windows 95 was released, Hilgraeve began offering an
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upgrade to the version included with Windows. This upgrade is free
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for personal use and can be registered for business use for a small
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fee. This upgrade turns HyperTerminal into a full-featured terminal
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program that is quite suitable for calling Fidonet BBSes.
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Inspired by that article, I contacted Hilgraeve and asked for
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permission to create an install program that would upgrade the
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HyperTerminal software that comes with Windows to Hilgraeve's
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HyperTerminal 4.0 Personal Edition and include "connectoids", links
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that can be placed on the Windows desktop or anywhere on a Windows
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95/98/NT computer, to allow users to call Middle Tennessee Net BBSes
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with a simple click of their mouse.
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Within 36 hours, a representative of Hilgraeve contacted me and gave
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me their permission. Hilgraeve is quite willing to allow Fidonet
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Sysops to bundle our BBS connect icons with the upgrade of their
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product. All they ask is that we send them a copy of the finished
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install for them to keep for their records and that we do not charge
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for the upgrade.
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We are planning to advertise this upgrade via flyers distributed at
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local computer stores and on our WWW pages. We'll send a copy free
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of charge to anyone requesting it. While we will make this available
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on floppy disk upon request, we think most of the distribution will
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be done by downloads from web pages and file attaches in email. As
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a result, the cost to our net will be minimal. I urge anyone searching
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for a way to increase callers to their BBS to give this method a try.
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FIDONET IN THE 2ND MILLENIUM
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FIDONEWS 15-52 Page 7 28 Dec 1998
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- An Article by Pete Snidal, Sysop of 1:353.910
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- Compuglobal Hypermeganet BBS -
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Okay, I know the title's a little too catchy; but it says
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something important. Fidonet _does_ have a place in the next
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millenium. The internet hasn't killed what Fidonet does, and it
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certainly hasn't replaced it. This little article intends to
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discuss a few things I think we need to consider as owner/
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operators of Fidonet systems.
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Here is what Fidonet does best: It provides low-cost access
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to a broad range of Forums/discussion areas which foster
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communication between computer users all over the planet. These
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Fidoechoes are spam-free, friendly, and easy to use. They cover a
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very broad potential range of subjects, and are moderated to ensure
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a fair to good selectivity of information (staying on topic.)
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If we, as sysops, can hold onto this basic idea, and try to
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provide at least one system in every possible calling area which
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operates with this basic aim in mind, Fido will live on for a long
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time.
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There's room for gameboards out there, I suppose, but I think
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it's important to keep the worldwide conference connectivity aspect
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in the foreground.
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What does this mean to the average sysop? It means that, if we
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want to see Fido stay in business, we must publicize its availabilty
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in our area, and we must have our systems set up so that any
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would-be users who call them will be greeted by user-friendly,
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properly configured software presenting a good basic set of
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Fidoechoes covering a wide range of interests.
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I think it's important to offer a good general list of echoes in
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the smorgasbord; areafixing and configuring a few echoes you
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personally may not be particularly interested in will bring more
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participants to Fido, and will have to improve the quality and
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quantity of participation in _all_ echoes in the long run.
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Including your favourites.
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Preferably, the Message Menu will show a hierarchical listing of
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available echoes, starting at the first level with no more than a
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screenful of headings, such as:
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Local Messaging
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Environmental Issues
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Hobbies
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Humour
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News Postings
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Politics
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Technical Subjects
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Writing
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and probably a further set of special interest echoes, such as
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Health
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FIDONEWS 15-52 Page 8 28 Dec 1998
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Women's Issues
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Men's Issues
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Teen Stuff
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Kids Stuff
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and from this main message menu, the user should then be able to
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make a choice and get a breakdown of any of the given headings to
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all the echoes which are relevant. Politics, for example, could
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break down into National Politics, Provincial Politics, Local
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Politics, Party of Your Choice, etc.
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What is Very Important is that the front-end software be
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intuitive as possible, and that it gives access to a good general
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interest range of message areas. The intelligent would-be user
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can be counted on, I think, to make a fairly decent effort to figure
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out the navigation, if given half a chance. It isn't important that
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it be GUI or even graphical, I don't think, since text conferencing
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is the basic issue here - if he can't bother to take the time to
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read the instructions, or is completely rodent-dependent, what
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contributions will s/he make to the conferences anyway?
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Something we have to consider is that the new user, unlike
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ourselves, must at first depend on the front-end software to
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navigate the message base. We who have long ago graduated to
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offline readers, such as Harvey Parisien's excellent OFFLINE, or the
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even better alternative of TIMED, sometimes tend to forget what it
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was like to dial our first bbs and try to navigate around the
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message base. If it was too difficult, as many of them are, we most
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likely jumped into a game door, and thus were lost to Fidonet as
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conference contributors, in some cases pretty well forever. Other
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prospective users, having discovered that the Internet, as well as
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the real game computers such as Nintendo et al, do games so much
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better and thus also are lost forever. So it's very important to
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present a properly set up front end of good quality, with a good
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basic set of conferencing echoes to the new user from the git-go.
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A really necessary item in bbs front-end software is that it offers
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the user a chance to see a L)ist of messages available in any base,
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showing one line per message of such information as originator,
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destination, and title. Without this option, software which
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replies to the R)ead a Message command with a request for a message
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number is pretty meaningless. And if the user has the good humour
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to offer up a message number at random (unlikely - alt-h is more
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likely) and unluckily picks a private message, s/he gets nothing for
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his/her trouble, and is now getting really discouraged. Listing of
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messages is a very important feature.
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The best example of good front-end software, offering this
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feature, hierachical menus, a good shot at intuitive user-friendly
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navigation, and still selling for the amazing price of * FREE *, is
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my personal favourite, Maximus 2.03. If it scared you once, and you
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shone it on because of all those scary *.ctl files and stuff, have
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another look at it now. You've likely become much more computer-savvy
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since then, and it'll look a whole lot simpler.
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Why am I writing this? Well, although a grunt sysop in a small
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FIDONEWS 15-52 Page 9 28 Dec 1998
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town in interior British Columbia, I'm currently on a visit to the
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Big Smoke, Vancouver - home of net 153. I brought a computer along,
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and thought I'd peruse the nodelist, and see what good ideas I could
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take home with me for my own system. And I've found a few good
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ideas, but what I've found a lot more of is reasons why Fidonet is
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dying. Poorly configured systems with badly-chosen, in a word,
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crappy front ends. Message menus running to many screens of very
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limited-interest technical echoes which should show to the new user
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as one item on the first hierarchical menu screen. No choices of
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the most basic echoes of general interest, such as WORLDTLK, ANEWS,
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LOC.BUYSELL (a BC-wide echo), BC_CHAT, BC_TEEN, ALTMED, FUNNY,
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or SIMPSONS. No indication that other echoes are possible, if the
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interest is expressed, let alone a list of these.
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There are a number of echoes we all should carry as "bait" to
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encourage would-be's to become regular users of Fidonet, whether
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we personally have any particular interest in them or not. Check
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the 'bone list for ideas.
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I ran into 'way too many "attitude" systems, with the sysop's
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cunning bulletins basically saying this-is-my-system-and-I-don't-
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care-if-you-ever-call-back-get-screwed. I have no quarrel with this
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attitude, if the number of the bbs is not publicized on the nodelist
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and/or on the various lists of bbs's available, but if you're
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showing this kind of attitude on a bbs representing Fidonet, I for
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one really wish you'd change your listing to private, since that's
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obviously what you had in mind in the first place. In other words,
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don't invite people to Fidonet, and then tell them to screw off.
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The only thing that's going to save Fidonet is attracting and
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holding contributors to the echoes. This is good for all of us, and
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good for them as well. Fidonet's conferencing is a valuable
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resource which a lot more people would be using if they were
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introduced to it through properly configured, hospitable local
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bbs's, and those of us who care should really do all we can to make
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this service available to prospective users.
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FIDONEWS 15-52 Page 10 28 Dec 1998
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NOTICES
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Future History
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16 Feb 1999
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13th Anniversary of the introduction of EchoMail by Jeff Rush.
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12 May 1999
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12th Anniversary of Fido Operations in Zone 4;
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10th Anniversary of the creation of FidoNet Zone 4.
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24 Jul 1999
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XIII Pan American Games [through 8 Aug 99].
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9 Jun 1999
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Tenth Anniversary of the adoption of FidoNet Policy 4.07.
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10 Sep 1999
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10th anniversary of Zone 5 operations.
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26 Oct 1999
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Thirty years from release Abbey Road album by the Beatles.
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31 Dec 1999
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Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed.
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1 Jan 2000
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The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec.
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1 Jun 2000
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EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens.
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15 Sep 2000
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Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens.
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21 Sep 2000
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10 years of FidoNet in +7 (xUSSR)
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1 Jan 2001
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This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E.
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-- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this
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Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor.
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FIDONEWS 15-52 Page 11 28 Dec 1998
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=================================================================
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FIDONET BY INTERNET
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=================================================================
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This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the
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FidoNews Editor as of this issue; see the notice at the end.
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FidoNet:
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Homepage http://www.fidonet.org
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FidoNews http://www.fidonews.org [HTML]
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http://209.77.228.66/fidonews.html [ASCII]
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WWW sources http://travel.to/fidonet/
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FTSC page http://www.goldware.dk/ftsc
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Echomail [pending]
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General http://owls.com/~jerrys/fidonet.html
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http://www.nrgsys.com/orb/foti
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List servers:
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http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/fidonet-discussion
|
||
|
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============
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Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org
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Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html
|
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|
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Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/
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|
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Region 13:
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Net 264: http://www.net264.org/r13.htm
|
||
|
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Region 17: http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/
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|
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Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/
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|
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Region 19: http://www.compconn.net/r19
|
||
|
||
Zone 1 Elist http://www.baltimoremd.com/elist/
|
||
|
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============
|
||
|
||
Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org
|
||
|
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ZEC2:
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Zone 2 Elist: http://www.fbone.ch/echolist/
|
||
|
||
Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
|
||
|
||
Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)
|
||
|
||
Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
|
||
Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/~lbehet/fido (English/German)
|
||
|
||
Region 25: http://www.bsnet.co.uk/net2502/net/
|
||
|
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FIDONEWS 15-52 Page 12 28 Dec 1998
|
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|
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|
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Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
|
||
REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
|
||
|
||
Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
|
||
|
||
Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French)
|
||
|
||
Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German)
|
||
|
||
Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian)
|
||
|
||
Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish)
|
||
REC34: http://pobox.com/~chr
|
||
|
||
Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
|
||
|
||
Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
|
||
|
||
Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
|
||
|
||
Region 42: http://www.fido.cz
|
||
|
||
Region 48: http://www.fidonet.org.pl
|
||
|
||
Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian)
|
||
Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian)
|
||
Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian)
|
||
Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English)
|
||
Net 5073: http://people.weekend.ru/soa/ (Russian)
|
||
|
||
============
|
||
|
||
Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org
|
||
|
||
============
|
||
|
||
Zone 4:
|
||
|
||
Region 90: http://visitweb.com/fidonet
|
||
Net 903: http://www.playagrande.com/refugio
|
||
Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)
|
||
|
||
============
|
||
|
||
Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/index.htm
|
||
|
||
============
|
||
|
||
Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org
|
||
|
||
Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (Chinese)
|
||
|
||
============
|
||
|
||
Pages listed above are as submitted to the FidoNews Editor,
|
||
and generally reflect Zone and Regional Web Page sites. If
|
||
FIDONEWS 15-52 Page 13 28 Dec 1998
|
||
|
||
|
||
no Regional site is submitted, the first Network page from
|
||
that Region is used in its place. Generally, Regional pages
|
||
should list access points to all Networks within the Region.
|
||
|
||
TCP/IP accessible node access information should be submitted
|
||
to the FidoNews Editor for inclusion in their Region or Zone.
|
||
|
||
-----------oOo-------------
|
||
|
||
Fidonet Via Internet Hubs
|
||
|
||
Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed | Basic Rate
|
||
-----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
|
||
1:12/12 | Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo.
|
||
1:13/25 | Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo.
|
||
1:106/1 | Matt Bedynek | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 64k | $5/$15mo.
|
||
1:106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP,VMoT | 64k | $5/mo.
|
||
1:107/451 | Andy Knifel | FTP, VMoT, UUE | 33.6 | n/c
|
||
1:124/7008 | Ben Hamilton | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 64k | $10/$20mo.
|
||
1:140/12 | Bob Seaborn | FTP | T1 | $5/$20
|
||
1:270/101 | George Peace | FTP | T1 | $30mo.
|
||
1:271/140 | Tom Barstow | UUE | T1 | n/c
|
||
1:275/1 | Joshua Ecklund | UUE | 28.8 | $10/yr.
|
||
1:280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
|
||
1:2401/305 | Peter Rocca | FTP,UUE | T1 | unkn
|
||
1:2424/10 | Alec Grynspan | FTP,UUE | T1 | n/c
|
||
1:2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo.
|
||
1:2624/306 | D. Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | $15yr.
|
||
1:345/0 | Todd Cochrane | FTP | T1 | n/c
|
||
1:346/250 | Aran Spence | FTP,UUE | T1 | $10mo.
|
||
1:396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr.
|
||
1:3651/9 | Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6
|
||
1:396/1 | John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1 | $15mo.
|
||
2:33/505 | Mario Mure | VMoT,UUE | 64k | n/c
|
||
2:254/175 | Alex Kemp | UUE | 56k | n/c
|
||
2:284/800 | Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c
|
||
2:335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
|
||
2:469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
|
||
2:2411/413 | Dennis Dittrich | UUE | 64k | n/c
|
||
2:2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
|
||
3:633/260 | Malcolm Miles | FTP | 33.6 | n/c
|
||
4:905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT, UUE | ??? | n/c
|
||
5:7104/2 | Henk Wolsink | FTP | 28.8 | n/c
|
||
--
|
||
* FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol
|
||
* VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
|
||
* UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers
|
||
[I'm only cataloging transfer methods, eg, ftp, email, telnet.
|
||
Specific programs using these protocols are no longer being listed.
|
||
Contact the system operators for details of which programs they have
|
||
available.]
|
||
|
||
Compiled by C. Ingersoll, 1:2623/71, (609)814-1978, fbn@dandy.net
|
||
Posted on the 1st of every month in FN_SYSOP, R13SYSOP and Fidonews.
|
||
|
||
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|
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|
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FIDONEWS INFORMATION
|
||
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|
||
|
||
|
||
------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION -------
|
||
|
||
Editor: Henk Wolsink
|
||
|
||
Editors Emeritii: Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell,
|
||
Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar, Sylvia Maxwell,
|
||
Donald Tees, Christopher Baker, Zorch Frezberg
|
||
|
||
"FidoNews Editor"
|
||
FidoNet 5:5/23
|
||
BBS +27-41-515-913, 2400/9600/V.34/V.90
|
||
|
||
more addresses:
|
||
Henk Wolsink -- 5:7104/2, hwolsink@catpe.alt.za
|
||
|
||
(Postal Service mailing address)
|
||
FidoNews Editor
|
||
P.O. Box 12325
|
||
Port Elizabeth,
|
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6006
|
||
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|
||
|
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|
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|
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FidoNews is published weekly by and for the members of the FIDONET
|
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INTERNATIONAL AMATEUR ELECTRONIC MAIL system. It is a compilation
|
||
of individual articles contributed by their authors or their
|
||
authorized agents. The contribution of articles to this compilation
|
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does not diminish the rights of the authors. OPINIONS EXPRESSED in
|
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|
||
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|
||
|
||
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|
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|
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|
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|
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|
||
|
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|
||
|
||
OBTAINING COPIES: The most recent issue of FidoNews in electronic
|
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form may be obtained from the FidoNews Editor via manual download or
|
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file-request, or from various sites in the FidoNet and Internet.
|
||
PRINTED COPIES may be obtained by sending SASE to the above postal
|
||
address. File-request FIDONEWS for the current Issue. File-request
|
||
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|
||
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|
||
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|
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where mmm = three letter month [JAN - DEC] and y = last digit of the
|
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|
||
|
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|
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Annual volumes are available as FNEWSn.ZIP where n = the Volume number
|
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1 - 15 for 1984 - 1998, respectively. Annual Volume archives range in
|
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|
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INTERNET USERS: FidoNews is available via:
|
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|
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http://www.fidonews.org
|
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|
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|
||
ftp://ftp.irvbbs.com/fidonews/
|
||
ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/Fidonet/Fidonews
|
||
|
||
And in non-English formats via:
|
||
|
||
http://www.hvc.ee/pats/fidonews (Estonian)
|
||
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|
||
|
||
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|
||
|
||
You may obtain an email subscription to FidoNews by sending email to:
|
||
|
||
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||
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||
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|
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|
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|
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|
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|
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|
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|
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|
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|
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|
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|
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|
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|
||
|
||
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|
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|
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|
||
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|
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|
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