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F I D O N E W S Volume 15, Number 52 28 December 1998
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Table of Contents
1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
2. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR .................................... 2
The Twit Responds - Reply to Bob Moravsik by Douglas My .. 2
3. ARTICLES ................................................. 4
ECHO TALK - Doc Logger on Coordinator Activity ........... 4
BBS = Bulletin Board System .............................. 4
Revitalizing Middle Tennessee Net BBSes .................. 6
FIDONET IN THE 2ND MILLENIUM ............................. 6
4. NOTICES .................................................. 10
5. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 11
6. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 14
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EDITORIAL
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Greetings,
Hope you had a good Christmas and did not indulge yourself into
too many nice things. ;-) If you did, you may find yourself a
few pounds/kg havier.
I would like to thank all of YOU who contributed during the past year
and hope sincerely, that you will continue doing the great work in
1999.
Why we have seen nothing from the ZC's & IC during the past year?
Whatever it was, lets hope that we WILL see something from those
gentleman during 1999.
Have a great time and if you intend to blow away some of your hard
earned cash on fire crackers and the likes, do it in such a manner
that nobody gets hurt and keep them crakers away from your pets.
Any animal for that matter!
Like if you did not know, this IS the last issue for 1998 and will
see you all in 1999.
Happy New Year,
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LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
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The Twit Responds
Ref: "The Tampering of the Elist"
Reply to Bob Moravsik by Douglas Myers
> Some of you may have read the drivel posted by Douglas Myers
Please note that I didn't need to resort, as you do, to calling
individuals a "twit" or "tamperer" to present my arguement. Let the
readers decide who is posting drivel here :)
> Most of his article describes the world through the eyes of a person
> to argues that reality is what he claims.
^-- who
Did you expect me to argue that reality is not what I claim?
> The real issue (and only issue) is: "Do the Elist keeper resolve
> disputes ?" ^-- Does
Actually, the elist keeper has been called upon to resolve several
disputes lately. There was a dispute over listing multiple
moderators, a dispute over allowing listings with spaces, a dispute
over the way listings were permitted to expire, and others. The
elist keeper was expected to resolve each one.
> What's LaCostaPol ? Its this secret set of rules that only Thom
> LaCosta knows.
Where's the secret? Thom has stated consistantly that he recognizes
the moderator of an echo as the individual responsible for
maintaining the elist entry. If it's a secret, it isn't very well
kept.
> There are two sides to this issue.
> 1. Moderators "control" conferences and the elisting is their
> property. This is not supported by any Fidonet policy or the
> laws of any nation (Remember, Fidonet is international)
Nor has such been argued by me. In fact, I believe that moderators
must ultimately serve the echo participants or they will either be
driven from the echo or abandoned to the echo. What is actually at
issue is the question of who speaks for the echo participants. The
moderator is recognized by the NAB, FidoSpine, and Elist Keeper.
Each of these bodies looks to the moderator field in the elisting to
determine who this spokesman is. If you choose to call him
"trustee" or "steward" or "owner" or whatever, that's fine... but he
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or she should be listed in the moderator field for the world to
know.
> 2. Moderators serve the participants.
> If one takes the later then the elist password is seperate from the
> moderator.
You make this assertion, but offer no arguement as to why the
password should be denied the moderator. The password is little
more than a housekey - if it's lost or stolen, then it's appropriate
to change the locks.
> Without guidance from Satti (who has the power to extend Fidonet
> policy), LaCosta should not have compromised the Elist security.
> THAT IS THE ONLY ISSUE.
I'm not sure why Fidonet Policy should need extended here.
Certainly it doesn't require an act of Congress if some apartment
manager decides to change a lock after a tenant vacates... and the
new tenant might even feel that security has been enhanced :)
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ARTICLES
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. -- -- -- -- -- ECHO TALK -- -- -- -- -- .
| Food for thought from Fido's echomail. |
| Purloined without permission by D Myers |
` -- -- -- -- -- -- - -- -- -- -- -- -- '
Doc Logger on the subject of Coordinator activity:
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I think your appraisal of the role of *Cs lets them off too lightly
when you suggest that they haven't been obstructionist. Every action
that Satti has taken towards Region12 or members of our region has
been exactly that. Kohl and Hinton engaged in exactly the same
activities, getting their knickers in a knot when nodes sought to
join an environment where they were made welcome. It may be an
academic point to ask how many nodes gave up in disgust when they
encountered a Bob Hall, a Dave Hunter, a Hans Toby, a Gary Gilmore,
or any of a raft of other people who forgot that the point was
communication rather than turf wars.
I'd bet my stuffed armadillo collection that you could lay all of
the missing Montana nodes at the doorstep of an NC whose overweening
control ambitions throttled the net...ditto for net243.
When the ZC is paralyzed by incompetence, the tribal sense of
belonging is lost because the sysop peasantry see the organization
in terms of fading, semi-literate relics clinging to power which
they weild capriciously. Even a fractional amount of initiative on
the part of a *C can bring spirit to the enterprise, and conversely,
a bunker-hiding *C can create the opposite effect.
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BBS =3D Bulletin Board System
OSP =3D Online Service Provider
Okay, now read the first two lines 3 more times. Now take a look at
your system which you are running or logging in to. Is it more like a
"BBS' or an "OSP", well most of you should say "OSP", as this is what
it really is.
The "BBS" part is still there, if you see or run an effective
Bulletins section of the system, then call that section BBS, as the
rest of the system is an Online Service Provider.
It is not changing the "BBS",it is changing the name to a better well
understood name. "BBS" is nolonger a "BBS" anymore! "BBSes" years ago
used to only have local bulletins, but for the past 15 years or more,
many systems do not even have 1 useful bulletin!
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Why is a "BBS" called a "BBS" when there is no Bulletins?? why? When
you can call it an "OSP" and it sounds more like what it really is.
Do you know where the "BBS" term came from? Well I bet most of you
probably have no clue, it is quite simple, in the 1970's "BBS" were
used for that very reason, to pass out bulletins to whom ever wanted
to know, and that was all. Then one day some programming decided to
add some extra features to their "BBS" like email support, and public
msgs sections, eventualy it became what you see today. But today, it
is no longer a "BBS" it is undoubtably an "OSP". The term "OSP" was
used back then, but nobody understodd what an "OSP" was, yet they
know what a "BBS" was, so everyone continues to use the term "BBS".
No that term is over used in our online culture, this needs to be
changed to it's proper term.
I'm not saying an "OSP" has too offer internet services, but still
can offer BBS-email (OSP-email) , online games, public message domains
(echomail) and so on. An ISP does not offer personal online games, msg
conferences, inter-ISP games, and so on. This can work with almost
every feature of a "BBS" or we should say "OSP".
Overall, if you think about what a "BBS" is today, it can offer a lot
and I do mean a heck of a lot more services than any ISP can offer to
it's customers (users) and most "BBS"'s of today are free, if not
really cheap for extra and special accesses.
It all just makes more sence this way. We can be powerful systems once
again. The time is here. The technology is here. The market is here
more than ever. Lets use it.
All an "OSP" needs to be called an "OSP" is, what all "BBS"s have now.
and if there are _NO_ usefull bulletins, then is _NOT_ a "BBS" at all.
A "BBS" has bulletins. An "OSP" has any other online service
available, and this DOES NOT have to be an internet service; just
services like online games, public message domains, multi-node chat,
local private email. Sounds familair?
Just think, try to explain "BBS" to someone who never loged on to one.
What do they think is on it? bulletins. Are people always attracted to
bulletins? no. If you say "OSP" what will they think? "humm sounds
interesting, I wonder what services they offer.", and voila you get
some new users. And from there, it is your system that should attract
them.
Please try to inform other users and SysOps in your area somehow on
what an OSP is and that BBS is only a section of an OSP. Work
together, and this old, yet not used very often term will be in it
correct place.
Doesn't it just make more sence?
Please pass this information on to your NEC, ZEC, and other local
SysOps. thanx
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**PS: and remember this**
"call your system what it really is, not something it isn't!"
written by Joel Gathercole aka Greenie
-BBS World Magazine - 26/12/98
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Revitalizing Middle Tennessee Net BBSes
An Attempt at Revitalizing Net 116 BBSes
by John Graves, 1:116/35, Net116@nashville.com
In the article in Fidonews Volume 15, Number 8, entitled
"Revitalizing a Small Part of Fidonet" by Neil Hoener, 1:128/103,
Mr. Hoener describes one of the ways that Pikes Peak Net is trying
to revitalize their BBSes. The Pikes Peak Net asked Hilgraeve Inc.
for permission to include icons for their BBSes along with an
upgrade for HyperTerminal 3.0.
For those who may be unfamiliar with HyperTerminal, it is the basic
terminal program Microsoft includes with Windows 95, 98, and NT 4.0.
Shortly after Windows 95 was released, Hilgraeve began offering an
upgrade to the version included with Windows. This upgrade is free
for personal use and can be registered for business use for a small
fee. This upgrade turns HyperTerminal into a full-featured terminal
program that is quite suitable for calling Fidonet BBSes.
Inspired by that article, I contacted Hilgraeve and asked for
permission to create an install program that would upgrade the
HyperTerminal software that comes with Windows to Hilgraeve's
HyperTerminal 4.0 Personal Edition and include "connectoids", links
that can be placed on the Windows desktop or anywhere on a Windows
95/98/NT computer, to allow users to call Middle Tennessee Net BBSes
with a simple click of their mouse.
Within 36 hours, a representative of Hilgraeve contacted me and gave
me their permission. Hilgraeve is quite willing to allow Fidonet
Sysops to bundle our BBS connect icons with the upgrade of their
product. All they ask is that we send them a copy of the finished
install for them to keep for their records and that we do not charge
for the upgrade.
We are planning to advertise this upgrade via flyers distributed at
local computer stores and on our WWW pages. We'll send a copy free
of charge to anyone requesting it. While we will make this available
on floppy disk upon request, we think most of the distribution will
be done by downloads from web pages and file attaches in email. As
a result, the cost to our net will be minimal. I urge anyone searching
for a way to increase callers to their BBS to give this method a try.
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FIDONET IN THE 2ND MILLENIUM
FIDONEWS 15-52 Page 7 28 Dec 1998
- An Article by Pete Snidal, Sysop of 1:353.910
- Compuglobal Hypermeganet BBS -
Okay, I know the title's a little too catchy; but it says
something important. Fidonet _does_ have a place in the next
millenium. The internet hasn't killed what Fidonet does, and it
certainly hasn't replaced it. This little article intends to
discuss a few things I think we need to consider as owner/
operators of Fidonet systems.
Here is what Fidonet does best: It provides low-cost access
to a broad range of Forums/discussion areas which foster
communication between computer users all over the planet. These
Fidoechoes are spam-free, friendly, and easy to use. They cover a
very broad potential range of subjects, and are moderated to ensure
a fair to good selectivity of information (staying on topic.)
If we, as sysops, can hold onto this basic idea, and try to
provide at least one system in every possible calling area which
operates with this basic aim in mind, Fido will live on for a long
time.
There's room for gameboards out there, I suppose, but I think
it's important to keep the worldwide conference connectivity aspect
in the foreground.
What does this mean to the average sysop? It means that, if we
want to see Fido stay in business, we must publicize its availabilty
in our area, and we must have our systems set up so that any
would-be users who call them will be greeted by user-friendly,
properly configured software presenting a good basic set of
Fidoechoes covering a wide range of interests.
I think it's important to offer a good general list of echoes in
the smorgasbord; areafixing and configuring a few echoes you
personally may not be particularly interested in will bring more
participants to Fido, and will have to improve the quality and
quantity of participation in _all_ echoes in the long run.
Including your favourites.
Preferably, the Message Menu will show a hierarchical listing of
available echoes, starting at the first level with no more than a
screenful of headings, such as:
Local Messaging
Environmental Issues
Hobbies
Humour
News Postings
Politics
Technical Subjects
Writing
and probably a further set of special interest echoes, such as
Health
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Women's Issues
Men's Issues
Teen Stuff
Kids Stuff
and from this main message menu, the user should then be able to
make a choice and get a breakdown of any of the given headings to
all the echoes which are relevant. Politics, for example, could
break down into National Politics, Provincial Politics, Local
Politics, Party of Your Choice, etc.
What is Very Important is that the front-end software be
intuitive as possible, and that it gives access to a good general
interest range of message areas. The intelligent would-be user
can be counted on, I think, to make a fairly decent effort to figure
out the navigation, if given half a chance. It isn't important that
it be GUI or even graphical, I don't think, since text conferencing
is the basic issue here - if he can't bother to take the time to
read the instructions, or is completely rodent-dependent, what
contributions will s/he make to the conferences anyway?
Something we have to consider is that the new user, unlike
ourselves, must at first depend on the front-end software to
navigate the message base. We who have long ago graduated to
offline readers, such as Harvey Parisien's excellent OFFLINE, or the
even better alternative of TIMED, sometimes tend to forget what it
was like to dial our first bbs and try to navigate around the
message base. If it was too difficult, as many of them are, we most
likely jumped into a game door, and thus were lost to Fidonet as
conference contributors, in some cases pretty well forever. Other
prospective users, having discovered that the Internet, as well as
the real game computers such as Nintendo et al, do games so much
better and thus also are lost forever. So it's very important to
present a properly set up front end of good quality, with a good
basic set of conferencing echoes to the new user from the git-go.
A really necessary item in bbs front-end software is that it offers
the user a chance to see a L)ist of messages available in any base,
showing one line per message of such information as originator,
destination, and title. Without this option, software which
replies to the R)ead a Message command with a request for a message
number is pretty meaningless. And if the user has the good humour
to offer up a message number at random (unlikely - alt-h is more
likely) and unluckily picks a private message, s/he gets nothing for
his/her trouble, and is now getting really discouraged. Listing of
messages is a very important feature.
The best example of good front-end software, offering this
feature, hierachical menus, a good shot at intuitive user-friendly
navigation, and still selling for the amazing price of * FREE *, is
my personal favourite, Maximus 2.03. If it scared you once, and you
shone it on because of all those scary *.ctl files and stuff, have
another look at it now. You've likely become much more computer-savvy
since then, and it'll look a whole lot simpler.
Why am I writing this? Well, although a grunt sysop in a small
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town in interior British Columbia, I'm currently on a visit to the
Big Smoke, Vancouver - home of net 153. I brought a computer along,
and thought I'd peruse the nodelist, and see what good ideas I could
take home with me for my own system. And I've found a few good
ideas, but what I've found a lot more of is reasons why Fidonet is
dying. Poorly configured systems with badly-chosen, in a word,
crappy front ends. Message menus running to many screens of very
limited-interest technical echoes which should show to the new user
as one item on the first hierarchical menu screen. No choices of
the most basic echoes of general interest, such as WORLDTLK, ANEWS,
LOC.BUYSELL (a BC-wide echo), BC_CHAT, BC_TEEN, ALTMED, FUNNY,
or SIMPSONS. No indication that other echoes are possible, if the
interest is expressed, let alone a list of these.
There are a number of echoes we all should carry as "bait" to
encourage would-be's to become regular users of Fidonet, whether
we personally have any particular interest in them or not. Check
the 'bone list for ideas.
I ran into 'way too many "attitude" systems, with the sysop's
cunning bulletins basically saying this-is-my-system-and-I-don't-
care-if-you-ever-call-back-get-screwed. I have no quarrel with this
attitude, if the number of the bbs is not publicized on the nodelist
and/or on the various lists of bbs's available, but if you're
showing this kind of attitude on a bbs representing Fidonet, I for
one really wish you'd change your listing to private, since that's
obviously what you had in mind in the first place. In other words,
don't invite people to Fidonet, and then tell them to screw off.
The only thing that's going to save Fidonet is attracting and
holding contributors to the echoes. This is good for all of us, and
good for them as well. Fidonet's conferencing is a valuable
resource which a lot more people would be using if they were
introduced to it through properly configured, hospitable local
bbs's, and those of us who care should really do all we can to make
this service available to prospective users.
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NOTICES
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Future History
16 Feb 1999
13th Anniversary of the introduction of EchoMail by Jeff Rush.
12 May 1999
12th Anniversary of Fido Operations in Zone 4;
10th Anniversary of the creation of FidoNet Zone 4.
24 Jul 1999
XIII Pan American Games [through 8 Aug 99].
9 Jun 1999
Tenth Anniversary of the adoption of FidoNet Policy 4.07.
10 Sep 1999
10th anniversary of Zone 5 operations.
26 Oct 1999
Thirty years from release Abbey Road album by the Beatles.
31 Dec 1999
Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed.
1 Jan 2000
The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec.
1 Jun 2000
EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens.
15 Sep 2000
Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens.
21 Sep 2000
10 years of FidoNet in +7 (xUSSR)
1 Jan 2001
This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E.
-- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this
Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor.
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FIDONET BY INTERNET
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This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the
FidoNews Editor as of this issue; see the notice at the end.
FidoNet:
Homepage http://www.fidonet.org
FidoNews http://www.fidonews.org [HTML]
http://209.77.228.66/fidonews.html [ASCII]
WWW sources http://travel.to/fidonet/
FTSC page http://www.goldware.dk/ftsc
Echomail [pending]
General http://owls.com/~jerrys/fidonet.html
http://www.nrgsys.com/orb/foti
List servers:
http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/fidonet-discussion
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Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org
Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html
Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/
Region 13:
Net 264: http://www.net264.org/r13.htm
Region 17: http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/
Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/
Region 19: http://www.compconn.net/r19
Zone 1 Elist http://www.baltimoremd.com/elist/
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Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org
ZEC2:
Zone 2 Elist: http://www.fbone.ch/echolist/
Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)
Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/~lbehet/fido (English/German)
Region 25: http://www.bsnet.co.uk/net2502/net/
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Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French)
Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German)
Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian)
Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish)
REC34: http://pobox.com/~chr
Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
Region 42: http://www.fido.cz
Region 48: http://www.fidonet.org.pl
Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian)
Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English)
Net 5073: http://people.weekend.ru/soa/ (Russian)
============
Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org
============
Zone 4:
Region 90: http://visitweb.com/fidonet
Net 903: http://www.playagrande.com/refugio
Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)
============
Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/index.htm
============
Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org
Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (Chinese)
============
Pages listed above are as submitted to the FidoNews Editor,
and generally reflect Zone and Regional Web Page sites. If
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no Regional site is submitted, the first Network page from
that Region is used in its place. Generally, Regional pages
should list access points to all Networks within the Region.
TCP/IP accessible node access information should be submitted
to the FidoNews Editor for inclusion in their Region or Zone.
-----------oOo-------------
Fidonet Via Internet Hubs
Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed | Basic Rate
-----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
1:12/12 | Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo.
1:13/25 | Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo.
1:106/1 | Matt Bedynek | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 64k | $5/$15mo.
1:106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP,VMoT | 64k | $5/mo.
1:107/451 | Andy Knifel | FTP, VMoT, UUE | 33.6 | n/c
1:124/7008 | Ben Hamilton | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 64k | $10/$20mo.
1:140/12 | Bob Seaborn | FTP | T1 | $5/$20
1:270/101 | George Peace | FTP | T1 | $30mo.
1:271/140 | Tom Barstow | UUE | T1 | n/c
1:275/1 | Joshua Ecklund | UUE | 28.8 | $10/yr.
1:280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
1:2401/305 | Peter Rocca | FTP,UUE | T1 | unkn
1:2424/10 | Alec Grynspan | FTP,UUE | T1 | n/c
1:2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo.
1:2624/306 | D. Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | $15yr.
1:345/0 | Todd Cochrane | FTP | T1 | n/c
1:346/250 | Aran Spence | FTP,UUE | T1 | $10mo.
1:396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr.
1:3651/9 | Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6
1:396/1 | John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1 | $15mo.
2:33/505 | Mario Mure | VMoT,UUE | 64k | n/c
2:254/175 | Alex Kemp | UUE | 56k | n/c
2:284/800 | Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c
2:335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
2:469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
2:2411/413 | Dennis Dittrich | UUE | 64k | n/c
2:2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
3:633/260 | Malcolm Miles | FTP | 33.6 | n/c
4:905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT, UUE | ??? | n/c
5:7104/2 | Henk Wolsink | FTP | 28.8 | n/c
--
* FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol
* VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
* UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers
[I'm only cataloging transfer methods, eg, ftp, email, telnet.
Specific programs using these protocols are no longer being listed.
Contact the system operators for details of which programs they have
available.]
Compiled by C. Ingersoll, 1:2623/71, (609)814-1978, fbn@dandy.net
Posted on the 1st of every month in FN_SYSOP, R13SYSOP and Fidonews.
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