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F I D O N E W S -- Vol.10 No.44 (31-Oct-1993)
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| A newsletter of the | |
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| FidoNet BBS community | Published by: |
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| / \ | "FidoNews" BBS |
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| /|oo \ | +1-519-570-4176 1:1/23 |
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| _`@/_ \ _ | Editors: |
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| | | \ \\ | Sylvia Maxwell 1:221/194 |
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| | (*) | \ )) | Donald Tees 1:221/192 |
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| |__U__| / \// | Tim Pozar 1:125/555 |
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| (_/(_|(____/ | |
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| (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. |
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| | -- JOSEPH PULITZER |
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| Submission address: editors 1:1/23 |
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| Internet addresses: |
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| Sylvia -- max@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca |
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| Donald -- donald@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca |
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| Tim -- pozar@kumr.lns.com |
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| Both Don & Sylvia (submission address) |
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| editor@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca |
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| For information, copyrights, article submissions, |
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| obtaining copies and other boring but important details, |
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| please refer to the end of this file. |
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Table of Contents
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1. Editorial..................................................... 1
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2. Articles...................................................... 2
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Intolerance and FIDOnet..................................... 2
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For the Record.............................................. 3
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Servants or tyrants?........................................ 5
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The Spirit of Fidonet is crying............................. 7
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Portrait of an RC........................................... 7
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AURORA...................................................... 10
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3. Fidonews Information.......................................... 11
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Editorial
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FidoNews 10-44 Page: 2 31 Oct 1993
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Another week, another snooze. We have been moving all week,
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and I cannot say that I like it much. A month's overlap in the
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two residences takes some of the pressure off, but drags it out
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as well. Some of our books are still not unpacked from our last
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move.
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There are a couple of articles from England that week that
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point out the continuing problems of Fido administration. That
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fine balamce between people who are willing to run things and
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people who want to run things is particularly elusive.
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We're in a hurry, we have to get this out the wire, so...
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Articles
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Intolerance and FIDOnet
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Gregory Woodbury
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wolfe@wolves.durham.nc.us
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I've been reading FIDONews for a long time (about 6 years now)
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and I am constantly suprized at how much tolerance and
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intolerance are shown in the articles that are printed. Tom
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Jennings held his temper a lot, and some things that he passed
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were, I am sure, personally painful for him to publish. I am
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extremely glad that you are continuing his "publish nearly
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everything" policy.
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Steve Winter's latest broadside against "sodomites" and the
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original "Home Schooling Echo" is merely the latest in a whole
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series of actions that the whole net has been subjected to by
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Mr. Winter.
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Steve Winter and the "PRIME Network" and his "Pre-Rapture BBS"
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here in Durham NC are quite (in)famous, and he has been
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suspended from FIDOnet on more than one occasion for both
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technical violations and XAB. In addition, Mr. Winter abuses
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the local FIDO/Usenet gateway by sending commercial messages
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through it on a regular basis, when the Usenet side operator has
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constantly asked for limits on commercial use.
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It is fortunate for Mr. Winter that others are more tolerant
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than he is willing to be. If we were to emulate his behaviour,
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he would be out in the cold, and not a part of any network.
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FidoNews 10-44 Page: 3 31 Oct 1993
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For the Record
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David Cupp 1:2215/150.2
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First of all and for the record, I would like to make it known
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that I never said I was out to get Flame Removed from the
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FidoNet Backbone! That was Not And Is Not My Intention!
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The following was written before several messages were sent
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between my SysOp and the Flame Moderator. However, it now
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appears, my original concerns have been shunted. I feel this is
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an issue that must be dealt with.
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* * It's ok to have Minors On Flame.. * *
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That's right! At least that seems to be the case! But, don't
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you dare challenge this issue on Flame. That is, unless you want
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your feed cut. Is it normal for a Moderator to ignore policy4,
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so he/she can keep this issue mute? I am a father of two
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children and have a protective place in my heart for them. When
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I began reading the contents of Flame, I at first thought it was
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a bunch of kids using the echo as an adult equivalent! That's
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what it sounded like to me!
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I posted the following message on Flame..
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> What gives here!
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>
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> I can't believe this echo is part of FidoNet..
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>
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> It appears that this echo is nothing more than an excuse for
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> foul mouthed teens and children, who want to use FidoNet as
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> an Adult Equivalent Echo for Minors..
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> I for one can't understand how this has happened and why it
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> has been permitted to continue..
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> I thought that Flame was for legitimate, heated discussion,
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> between two or more persons, which was not permitted on regular
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> echos.. The place to go when you have a bitch, gripe or other
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> type of complaint..
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> I could be wrong with this line of thinking, however, I know
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> that it should NOT be used as it's being used now!
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I admit this message may have been a bit harsh but in my eyes
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it was true.. Boy, I still can't believe the replies I got back!
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And I won't repeat them here!
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Of course, when the Flame Moderator read this he was furious!
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Needless to say, my feed was cut! Sorry, but this doesn't sound
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like policy4 to me! Well, I guess if a Moderator doesn't like
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what he sees on his echo, he can warn you and cut your feed all
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in one blow! Yep, that's right, that's exactly what happened!
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FidoNews 10-44 Page: 4 31 Oct 1993
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At first, I didn't want to be removed like that because it
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gave him total power without question. After re-thinking this
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situation, I've concluded, since I didn't really want to be a
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part of Flame anyway, there was no real reason to pursue this..
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It's been a few weeks now and thanks to the tremendous efforts
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of my SysOp and NC my access to Flame has been restored.. Not
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that anything good could ever come out of me posting there
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(which I won't)! However, there is an issue that needs to be
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dealt with by FidoNet Officials..
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In a couple of the replies I received, it was stated (and I
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have most of them on paper), there are indeed minors on Flame!
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If *I* wanted access to an Adult board, I would have to show
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proof of age! With the language used on Flame, I believe this
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echo should be available only to consenting adults with proof of
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age. I know that if I came home from work, turned on the
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computer and discovered that my child had been accessing this
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kind of echo without my consent, someone could soon be in court.
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I was glad to hear that this echo is only available to adults
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at my end, but what about all the others? FidoNet is Massive!
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I would like to see measures taken to insure that only Adults
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and those with Parental or Guardian Consent are found on this
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"R" rated Flame echo!
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I know there is someone, somewhere reading this that thinks
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I'm just out to cause trouble. If you asked someone who knows
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me, you'll find that just isn't my way.. David Cupp
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After careful consideration, I do admit, the statements I made were
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harsh and if I could I would take most of it back. As a father of two
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girls, I was and still am concerned about minors being allowed on Flame.
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Obviously the Flame Moderator mistook this as a threat. I can see his
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position now as to why he pulled my feed to flame, but will never
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understand his reason for warning me not to post along the lines which
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I was posting, then pulling my feed before I had a chance to reply to
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his message.
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It has been stated to me by the Flame Moderator (John Clifton)
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that my concern is misplaced.
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JC> I teach school and I can assure you that what a student
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JC> hears in the hallways EVERY DAY makes this echo look like
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JC> Disneyland.
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JC> As for you being concerned, I think your concern is misplaced.
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JC> Oprah, Sally, Geraldo and Donahue are more readily accessible
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JC> to children and that should be far more worrisome to you.
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JC> John Clifton 1:153/6.4
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JC> FLAME Moderator
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FidoNews 10-44 Page: 5 31 Oct 1993
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Sorry John, I just don't see it that way. The children I teach
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are my own and they will learn and respect the English Language
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rather than Slang! (Street)
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Area: Flame!
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Msg#: 1345
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From: John Clifton
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To: Mikey
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Subj: BULLSHIT!!!!
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> FLAME is a tradition and is the only echo specifically
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> mentioned in a Policy document. It is unrefutable and has a
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> traceable lineage that precedes all but a few of the current
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> power structure(s).
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JC> This is why I worked to keep FLAME alive when all hell broke
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JC> loose last Spring. It *is* a tradition and shouldn't be snuffed.
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JC> BTW, the Censors have never sent me any guidelines for modeating
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JC> the echo. I'd like to see 'em try to get rid of FLAME under the
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JC> circumstances.
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JC> ! Origin: Basic'ly John's Point, Langley, B.C. (1:153/6.4)
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If Flame is in Policy4, I can't find it! And believe me, I
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tried! I did a word search of Policy4 on Flame, Sex, Minor,
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Adult and Child! Not one of these words exists in this document.
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As the content of Flame is harsh (or, "a tradition", as
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stated above by Flame Regulars), I believe it should be given an
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Adult "R" Rating! This would limit Flame access to Adults! Any
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minors wishing access to Flame would have to have a consent form
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filled out by a parent or legal guardian which conveys The
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Content of Flame as Adult..
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Sincerely Yours:
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David Cupp
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Servants or tyrants?
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Policy and *Cs, servants or tyrants?
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by John Burden
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2:255/112
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It may not have escaped the attention of the rest of Fidonet
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that zone 2 has been experiencing some "local difficulties" as a
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result of decisions reached by the Z2C and handed down to his
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FidoNews 10-44 Page: 6 31 Oct 1993
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RCs to carry out. As a result, there has been turmoil in
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Germany and also now in the UK. The excuse is that "policy
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requires it".
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Such an attitude turns policy into a convenient tyrant to hide
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behind when in fact it should be the servant, the enabler, of
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the network. More than anything else, the inflexible,
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intolerant and undemocratic implementation of policy, WHEN IT
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SUITS THE *Cs CONCERNED, makes them into tyrants as well. It is
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the defence used by those who sent millions of men, women and
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children to their deaths in the concentration camps and gas
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chambers, that they were only obeying orders. Humbug!
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In the UK, it has been decreed that there will be a grand
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shake-up, relocating nodes from one net to another. There is no
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rationale for this other than "policy requires it". Not even
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the advocates of the so- called geo-net shake-up have been able
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to produce any evidence to show that the existing way of
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operating failed to work and work well. It has always been my
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understanding that POLICY exists to ease communication between
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systems. Instead, it is used in Europe as an instrument of
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oppression.
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We are told by the UK RC that a formal request for exemption
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from any geo-net requirements has lain on the desk of the (now
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resigned) IC for more than 4 months. In the meantime, instead
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of waiting for this request to be dealt with, the enforced
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transfer of sysops continues unabated. Anyone who resists an
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imminent move is given a simple choice - move or lose your
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nodelisting!
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What has Fidonet become when the co-ordinators will not listen
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to the wishes of the majority and instead act like dictators?
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More to the point, what will it become next? There have been
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several requests from region25 sysops for a free vote to be
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taken on this issue, with both sides bound to accept the
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democratic decision, but these have been ignored by the RC.
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Instead, the region is splintering into different camps camps
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with the creation of two "Classic" region25 nodelists, one
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established by existing *Cs, the other by "grunt" sysops (more
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power to their elbows).
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The regional co-ordinator (supposedly the top man in Fidonet in
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the UK) abuses his position and the region daily. Among his
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latest diatribes in the PUBLIC Region25 echo conference is the
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following. This was sent to the person democraticly elected as
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NC for net 258 after both the RC and the ZC declined to accept
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the result of the vote.
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.................................................
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"AAAhhhh!.. yes say the sweetest things ..... I have allready
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told you in repsonce to where you said i was an "asshole" ( your
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words, for someone that claims he is a born again christain, did
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the halo slip for a second ? ) that I am the biggest shit
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FidoNews 10-44 Page: 7 31 Oct 1993
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shoveller in the world, proberlly the biggest wanker and also a
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fucking BIG asshole... You have the netmail I sent you, prehaps
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you would care to make it public.....
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.................................................
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Then our RC wonders why respect for him and for his position
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within Fidonet is falling away!
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The question is, apart from joining one of the "Classic"
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breakaways or resigning, what other options exist for the vast
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majority of sysops in the UK who are totally sick and tired of
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what is going on and simply wish to be allowed to continue their
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hobby without needless and petty tyranny? How much more has to
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be gone through before those in leading positions within Fidonet
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internationally decide that enough is enough and call a halt to
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the abuse of this region?
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John Burden
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2:255/112
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The Spirit of Fidonet is crying.
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Tony Dunlap, 1:2220/30
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Part 1, Public Key Cryptography
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Public Key Cryptography? Why? Anything so sensitive or
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important as to require this type of security has no buisness in
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echomail, even clear signed messages. Why not? It serves no
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purpose for 99.99% of the readers of an echo. And just how much
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would this cost us, who pay long distance charges to transfer
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the echoes around the world? Using the example provided by Mr.
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Riddle, (Fnews 1042) I came up with 315 bytes extra per message.
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Using my rather modest average of 300 messages per day that
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comes to 94,500 bytes extra per day (That would be an increase
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in my packet sizes of over 25%. How many Sysops would like
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that?). And that's not including extra messages produced by
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people posting their public keys.
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We live with an occasional grunged message. We live with
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spurious dupes. Why can't we live with less than 100% guarantee
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of authenticity? Eventually the software will evolve to handle
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all three problems to a very high degree. I, personally, can
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wait...
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Stay tuned for "The Spirit of Fidonet is Crying", Part 2, The
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(fill in the blank)-Mongers.
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Portrait of an RC
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Nick Reid (1:253/159)
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FidoNews 10-44 Page: 8 31 Oct 1993
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Howdy Folks!
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It's that time of year again, when we take our expensive microphones
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and video gear to roam the quieter backwaters of the known universe
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in search of quaint fillers to show you while Bryant hits the john.
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Today we find ourselves in England. Not much happens in England that
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an amazing character here does not try to control.
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Peter Burnett, Regional Co-ordinator of FidoNet in the UK, is a simple,
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earthy man, with a twinkle in his eye and a direct and friendly manner.
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Fully committed to exerting and extending the authority of the *Cs at
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the instigation of, and in full collusion with, his manipulative buddy
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the Zone 3 Co-ordinator (so sue me Ronbo) he is cleaning up FidoNet
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throughout this land by assiduously seeing-off all who are making a
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real mess through gross negligence of their FidoDuty to lick his butt.
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Here, in a series of sound bites from only one day's Regional echo is
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a portrait of this remarkable and dedicated promoter of FidoNet ideals.
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To: Mark Matts Message #: 6991
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From: Peter Burnett Submitted: 26 Oct 93 07:09:00
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Subject: *** ZMH CHANGE *** Status: Public
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Received: No Group: REGION25 (25)
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MSGID: 2:441/80 2cccdbbf
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<...>
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B - O - L - L - O - C - K - S T - O Y - O - U
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--- GoldED 2.41+0024UK1/D'Bridge v1.54/002129
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* Origin: Popper's & TNX, Hastings, UK | HST/V32 | <...> (2:441/80)
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To: Kevin Grumball Message #: 7000
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From: Peter Burnett Submitted: 26 Oct 93 13:37:00
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Subject: Classic Status: Public
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Received: No Group: REGION25 (25)
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MSGID: 2:441/80.1 2ccd29a1
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KG> Oh, and by the way, some "despot down
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KG> south" (Peter Burnett) *will* tell you what net to join :-(
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AAAhhhh!.. yes say the sweetest things ..... I have allready
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told you in repsonce to where you said i was an "asshole" ( your
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words, for someone that claims he is a born again christain, did
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the halo slip for a second ? ) that I am the biggest shit
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shoveller in the world, proberlly the biggest wanker and also a
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fucking BIG asshole... You have the netmail I sent you, prehaps
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you would care to make it public.....
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Now exactly when are you going to tell me something new ?
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FidoNews 10-44 Page: 9 31 Oct 1993
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--- XRS/386 5.1+ via XCS 1.10
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* Origin: Point Operations at The Neverland eXpress (2:441/80.1)
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To: Kevin Grumball Message #: 7001
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From: Peter Burnett Submitted: 26 Oct 93 13:44:00
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Subject: Brewery trip Status: Public
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Received: No Group: REGION25 (25)
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MSGID: 2:441/80.1 2ccd29c3
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<...>
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Fuck off
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--- XRS/386 5.1+ via XCS 1.10
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* Origin: Point Operations at The Neverland eXpress (2:441/80.1)
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To: Paul Dickie Message #: 7125
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From: Peter Burnett Submitted: 27 Oct 93 10:21:00
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Subject: Whats it all about? Status: Public
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Received: No Group: REGION25 (25)
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MSGID: 2:441/80.1 2cce4bc9
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PD> Frank, you don't *need* to *prove* that you're arrogant.
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And you do not need to prove that YOU are an asshole !
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Peter.
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--- XRS/386 5.1+ via XCS 1.10
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* Origin: Point Operations at The Neverland eXpress (2:441/80.1)
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To: Ben Davis Message #: 7126
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From: Peter Burnett Submitted: 27 Oct 93 10:23:00
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Subject: Whats it all about? Status: Public
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Received: No Group: REGION25 (25)
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MSGID: 2:441/80.1 2cce4c74
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<...>
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And you call Frank THICKHEADED... jezz man.. take a look in the
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fucking mirror and see what a wanker you are !...
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Peter.
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* Origin: Point Operations at The Neverland eXpress (2:441/80.1)
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To: Kevin Grumball Message #: 7128
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From: Peter Burnett Submitted: 27 Oct 93 10:28:00
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Subject: *** CLASS25.A?? *** Status: Public
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Received: No Group: REGION25 (25)
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FidoNews 10-44 Page: 10 31 Oct 1993
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MSGID: 2:441/80.1 2cce4d7f
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>>> EH> Likewise, please ensure that 2:258/0, 2:258/2000, 2:258/23
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>>> EH> and 2:258/24 are excluded from future editions.
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>>> Errm... *I'm* 258/0 now.
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> EH> Errr Kevin, you may believe that you are 258/0, that's fair
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> EH> enough. In practice though, I am still 258/0, as both the
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> EH> RC and the ZC now told you.
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KG> You are *NOT* 258/0 in the Classic nodelist.
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SO why dont you fuck off there with 2:258/1 and pull your entries
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from the fidonet.org published list.
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* Origin: Point Operations at The Neverland eXpress (2:441/80.1)
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To: Kevin Grumball Message #: 7130
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From: Peter Burnett Submitted: 27 Oct 93 07:25:00
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Subject: *** CLASS25.A?? *** Status: Public
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Received: No Group: REGION25 (25)
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MSGID: 2:441/80 2cce22b0
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Hello Kevin!
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<...>
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KG> You are talking complete crap.
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You should know.. you are indeed full of shit!........
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Peter
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Truly a fine example of rustic charm and a great approach to FidoNet.
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But our time here is up so, for now, this is your crew, somewhere in
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England, saying goodbye till next time we explore together the curious
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highways and byways of human nature in its natural habitat.
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And so it goes.....
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AURORA
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Jerry Cain, 1:300/8
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jcain@pimacc.pima.edu
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An echo to support the finest text/programmer's editor available
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The Aurora text editor is, simply put, the BEST! If you haven't tried
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FidoNews 10-44 Page: 11 31 Oct 1993
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this editor, you're in for a real treat.
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File-request AUROR110.ZIP from 1:300/8 and step into the future of
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We invite you to participate in the support echo which was created to
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Need more info? Here's a clip from its FILE_ID.FIZ:
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The Aurora Editor v1.1 is a beautiful new high performance text
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