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<mayhem> nice netsplit tz!#@
<Nelson> hahaha
<Belgorath> w/whos viper
who here HASNT read cuko
<mayhem> stol, you havent logged on since friday 7:29 pm
os egg?
> who here HASNT read cukoos egg?
<Nelson> so, why would cliff stoll waste his time on irc?
<Belgorath> cliff, why do you condemn hackers? In your own words...
<mayhem> he isnt using that account.
he doesnt condem hackers
> he doesnt condem hackers
<Nelson> I haven't read it. I avoid books about "the hacker culture", except
+for, maybe, "The New Hacker's Dictionary"
<mayhem> or is he.. hmm
<mayhem> been logged in SINCE 7:29.. hmm
<waiting>
> <waiting>
*** mayhem has changed the topic to "ITS REALLY HIME!!"
<peecee> hahahahahaha what a liar.
<deepsleep> is it?
*** Nelson has changed the topic to "memorex"
*** mayhem has changed the topic to "Clifford STSoll live from berkeley"
<stoll> Is it who?
*** mayhem has changed the topic to "Clifford"
*** Nelson has changed the topic to "flipper"
you guyes
<stoll> OK gang ... it's me. I believe me, even if nobody else does.
s wanna
*** mayhem has changed the topic to "Clifford Stoll, live from Berkeley"
find out if its him.. ask
<Nelson> but why would you waste your time on irc, stoll?
q
<peecee> why aren't you tripping out then?
uestions from the book
> you guys wanna find out if its him.. ask questions from the book
<mayhem> NO DIAL TONE
<deepsleep> yeah..catching cuckoo's?
derrrrrrrr rip on
<peecee> What was your girlfriends name???
cilff sessio
*** rokstar has joined channel +hack
n.
<stoll> Nelson: not wasting my time. Just up late & scarfing some leftovers
+from the fridge
<peecee> quick!`
good goin
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g
> derrrrrrrr rip on cilff session. good going
come o
<Belgorath> stoll... If this is you, and I have no reason to believe it
+isn't.. WHY do you persecute hackers?
n ask some good q's
> come on ask some good q's
<stoll> My sweetie usedta be Martha.
<peecee> awwww
<mayhem> what did that german guy call you on that tv show you did?
<stoll> (and, alas, is no longer)
<mayhem> he called you a phreak! hahahahjaha ;)
<Nelson> of course, its difficult to ask questions from the book - anyone can
+read it.
<avatar> howdy all, whats happenign up there in the USA !!
<mayhem> *giggle*
<Nelson> interesting problem of verification, actually.
no
<Nelson> stoll - where's your home workstation at berkeley?
longer?
> no longer?
<mayhem> hey avatar!
<stoll> Now, in berkeley: I'm on a mac in my house.
hehe just a
<Nelson> and why are you logged into 14 different apollos? geez.
s in the book
> hehe just as in the book
stoll: arent you afriad that
<mayhem> *whistles along with the wall*
<avatar> howdy all, hows it going over ther in yankee land !!
<stoll> Nelson, I'm dialed into the Berkeley OCF network.
someone will want to
<rokstar> stoll: stoll do a /exec netstat
hack YOUR account?
> stoll: arent you afriad that someone will want to hack YOUR account?
<Nelson> yeah.
<rokstar> err /exec -out netstat
seems the thing to do
> seems the thing to do
<Nelson> and while you're at it, do an "/on ^msg nelson $1-"
<rokstar> then we can see all the connects to yur machine :0
<kalaal> better still .. tell us your phone number
kalaal, hes familar with the hacking te
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q
<mayhem> gimme your creditcard number!#@
nie
<stoll> My phone's listed in the Oakland phone book. Call directory
+assistance
ues
<Nelson> got any NUI's, stoll? :)
icni
<mayhem> heheh
ques
> kalaal, hes familar with the hacking ticniques
<mayhem> t.stoll01
<track> I eed some help please
<kalaal> masshole you dont say
I think mayhem
<Nelson> whatcha need, track?
likes tymnet :)
> I think mayhem likes tymnet :)
<mayhem> i wuv tymnet!!
<Nelson> so annex4 is the terminal server, stoll?
<kalaal> stoll has gone quiet
<track> I want to know how to start IRC whn connected to an open client?
*** avatar has left channel +hack
<mayhem> lts me call gatech, when i'm not even in the statez!!
<mayhem> lts=lets
<stoll> quiet? oh, I'm just finishing writign another note.
are you writing something new?
> are you writing something new?
<stoll> Mass: I'm writing another book.
<track> heyy?
<deepsleep> stoll Cliff Stoll earthquake p2 20 Sat 02:16
+annex4
no way, what on?
> no way, what on?
<kalaal> put us in it!@#
<Nelson> aw, stoll's password isn't "stoll"
<deepsleep> idle 20 min!!!!!
<mayhem> heh
<deepsleep> don't get fooled..i't got something to do with the utmp!
nelson: if you read the book you
<Nelson> don't be a twit, deepsleep
'd
<mayhem> login:stoll pwd:^U$dhW234D^Ldas&
know what ti
<kalaal> yeah its an apollo
yp
<rokstar> just do a few netstats
e passwords
<track> assholes...
he uses.
> nelson: if you read the book you'd know what type passwords he uses.
*** Signoff: track
<deepsleep> fooles!
<Nelson> I don't want to read the book.
<Belgorath> annex4 is cool..
<rokstar> netsat his system and the annex he is suppose to be on.
<mayhem> stoll is a media-milker
<Nelson> I'm not familiar enough withi UCB - what are the annex? machines?
<Belgorath> Stoll, from a serious point of view, I'd like to talk with you.
bel: I'm wityh you
> bel: I'm wityh you
I'm
<rokstar> maybe he is using irc:+hack to get sum inpho for a new book?
drunk too
> I'm drunk too
:)
> :)
<Belgorath> I was drunk but I'm sobering rapidly....
<rokstar> same here, but id like to know if its the real dude or just someone
+pranking, it does seem a bit weird does it not?
I've read the two
<Belgorath> I don't wanna insult/persecute/insult anyone.... just wanna talk.
things that cilff put out.. the ACM article and the
le and the
book.. do
<Belgorath> finger earthquake... he IS online...
nt thin
*** Signoff: stoll
k theres anything else
> I've read the two things that cilff put out.. the ACM article and the book..
+dont think theres anything else
<Nelson> bampf
<Nelson> I think he was legit
proba
*** Signoff: Belgorath
bly
*** Signoff: Gellor
<mayhem> he should do a thing on tymnet
> probably
got scare
<Nelson> shit, berkeley dropped off the net.
d
> got scared
<deepsleep> hey did u guys reallu beleibbe it was him????
<mayhem> how easy it is to hack.
dude is back
> dude is back
<kalaal> stoll pal buddy!
<kalaal> nark
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chill dudez
<stoll> hi
> chill dudez
*** Mode change "+o stoll " on channel +hack by DrYueh
yes!
> yes!
*Source* which was the lastest version I could find...
<mayhem> cliffster! cliffmeister! chatting on the +hack channel with
+cliffopolous! totalli outrageous clifferoonie
clif
<Gellor> Hey, DrYueh....why'd you betray the Atriedes family....:^)
f, want an account on the GNU project :)
> cliff, want an account on the GNU project :)
<DrYueh> Gellor: the baron pays well
<mayhem> *nukes another couple files*
<stoll> No thanx, Mass.
:) heheh got a virgin
<kalaal> [earthquake.berkeley.edu]
one today
> :) heheh got a virgin one today
<kalaal> finger: can't read //lightning/sys/node_data/etc/utmp.
<kalaal> Sat Nov 30 02:52:09 1991, 16 users
<kalaal> Login Name Machine TTY Idle When Where
<kalaal> asun Adrian Sun planecrash *p1 16:36 Fri 10:15
+annex4
<kalaal> byron Byron C. Go hailstorm p0 25 Sat 02:27
+annex2
<kalaal> danyu Daniel H. Yu tsunami p1 14 Sat 02:37
+annex4
<kalaal> erikred Erik Nielsen planecrash p5 3 Sat 00:54 :0.0
<kalaal> gchu Gary Chu bigbang p4 56 Sat 01:55
+ts-eva6
<kalaal> goldfarb David Goldfarb bigbang p3 1:09 Sat 01:42 :0.0
<kalaal> handtran Han Dai Tran bigbang p6 13 Sat 02:38
+annex4
<kalaal> ianb Ian Barkley hailstorm p1 46 Sat 02:05
+physics20
<kalaal> jimleung James Leung planecrash p2 2d Wed 19:34
+annex1
<kalaal> lewayhun Wayne Hun Lee tornado p3 2d Wed 01:41
+annex2
<kalaal> mehlhaff Eric Mehlhaff maelstrom p0 2:36 Sat 00:07
+annex2
<kalaal> mohannv Mohan N. Viswanathan headcrash p1 6 Tue 17:06
+annex3
<kalaal> sgladney Stephanie Gladney headcrash p9 2d Wed 16:20
+violet
<kalaal> stoll Cliff Stoll earthquake p2 35 Sat 02:16
+annex4
<kalaal> tlee Tom Chen-Ming Lee earthquake p0 44 Sat 02:07
+sphere
hey hey
<kalaal> vannm Vann Miller locusts p0 1 Sat 02:51
+annex2
kalaal
> hey hey kalaal
<kalaal> fuuuuuuuck sorry!!!
<mayhem> holy shit!
<mayhem> ITS HIM!!!!
<stoll> who?
<rokstar> mayhem, not so fast, finger the annexx
<kalaal> [earthquake.berkeley.edu]
*** mayhem has changed the topic to "Cliff Soll, live!"
<kalaal> yeah
<kalaal> finger: can't read //lightning/sys/node_data/etc/utmp.
<kalaal> Login: stoll Name: Cliff Stoll
<kalaal> Directory: //sandstorm/accounts/stoll Shell: /bin/csh
<kalaal> Office: The Web
<kalaal> Mail spool is 0k.
<kalaal> On earthquake since Sat Nov 30 02:16 on ttyp2 from
+annex4.Berkeley.EDU
<kalaal> Plan:
*** mayhem has changed the topic to "HACK"
*** kalaal has changed the topic to "Cliff Richard is better"
<kalaal> NOT
<mayhem> heh
<kalaal> nice directory cliff
<kalaal> working on a new book called sandstorm?
tell us about the book dude.
> tell us about the book dude.
<kalaal> stoll .. no .plan either :(
*Source* when will you be able to upload telegard src?
<stoll> belg: feel free to send e-mail to me; I answer most of what comes
+in.
<rokstar> stoll: are you working on a new book?
*** Belg0rath is now known as belgorath
/msg source shit, I'm
*Source* (I assume after stoll leaves, of course!:)
<belgorath> Ok...
fairly busy
<mayhem> ..:..
..
<mayhem> :
<mayhem> :
<mayhem> ..
<stoll> rok: I'm writing a book on astronomy
gim
<mayhem> hmm!
my time to talk to cliff
-> *source* shit, I'm fairly busy.. gimmy time to talk to cliff
/msg source you phreak?
-> *source* you phreak?
<kalaal> stoll ... astronomy?!@#
heh, gonna b3 a best seller?
> heh, gonna b3 a best seller?
*** mayhem has changed the topic to "#@"
nice topic
> nice topic
*** mayhem has changed the topic to "!#@"
<Gellor> .....will she tear your little body apart..
<stoll> Naw, you don't write bestsellers; you write what grabs you.
*Source* you talking to me? [nope]
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:)
<Jol> Hi
> :)
<rokstar> stoll: yup, cuckoo's egg grabbed a lot of ppl tho :)
<stoll> Weird ... i was amazed at how many people read it...
how much $$$$
<Gellor> Yeah, stoll himself grabed some people...
$4 yo make.. just curious
> how much $$$$$4 yo make.. just curious
<stoll> I wrote it for a bunch of reasons, but one reason
<kalaal> yeah :)
<rokstar> gel: Heh!
<mayhem> I sentence you to be exposed, before you peers!
<mayhem> TEAR DOWN THE WALL!
<Gellor> just another brick in the Wall....
<rokstar> stoll: im curoius ,, what was the reason you wrote cuckoo's egg?
+money or ethical reasons? [ie hacking etc]
heh
> heh
not money dude.. course not.
<mayhem> i'd do it for the dough.
but he did make a few
<peecee> I never read it, i just saw that fucked Nova program... laughed my
+head off
$$
> not money dude.. course not. but he did make a few $$
<mayhem> yea, the nova program was interesting.
was kewl
> was kewl
<mayhem> one of those german guys got killed?.. they found his body, it had
+been burnt?
cliff: were you on the geraldo
<peecee> lesse, what's sh test to see if a file exists?
show I missed?
> cliff: were you on the geraldo show I missed?
<Gellor> CIA murder plot!!!
<mayhem> they said it was suicide.. bs
suicide for who?
> suicide for who?
pengo?
> pengo?
<Gellor> Bull...
<mayhem> yup.
<Gellor> Damn feds!!
think he;s workin for the feds under an
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a
<mayhem> it was the kgb.. or the cia
ssumed name?
> think he;s workin for the feds under an assumed name?
<fonephuz> hi mayhem
<Gellor> There is some hell'a lag on here...
I mean.. som
<fonephuz> what's up?
eone chard beyond recognition..
> I mean.. someone chard beyond recognition..
<mayhem> fone: cliff stoll is here!
<mayhem> the *real* cliff stoll!
<fonephuz> ?
heheh.. he dont even
<rokstar> the nets been bad 2nite!
know
> heheh.. he dont even know
bahhaah
> bahhaah
<Gellor> .2
<mayhem> in person even!
*** belgorath is now known as Belgorath
*** Signoff: stoll
*** Signoff: Jol
*** Signoff: kalaal
*** Signoff: DrYueh
*** Signoff: Source
shit
> shit
/who *
Channel Nickname S User@Host (Name)
+hack fonephuz H fonephuz@wombat.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Ron Allen)
+hack Gellor H mat@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Belgorath the Warrior)
+hack Belgorath H mat@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Belgorath the Warrior)
+hack rokstar H daemon@BRADENVILLE.ANDREW.CMU.EDU
+(ts-tcp1.nrl.navy.mil)
+hack Masshole H wdp@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Walter Poxon)
+hack peecee H@ gt1679c@ds32.vslab.gatech.edu (da peyote coyote)
+hack mayhem H@ gt0199b@hydra.gatech.edu (Metallica wuz elite!#@)
<Belgorath> netSplit!!!!!1!111!!!!!
<mayhem> hah.. there goes australia
<fonephuz> craaaaash
yup
> yup
burk
<Belgorath> <unEl1te 1!'s>
p
> burp
<rokstar> hey im still here , australia aint ded~!
<Belgorath> I hate /<-Rad Talk....
australia?!? that where you r?
> australia?!? that where you r?
<rokstar> err, well the NET aint dead, IRC certainly died in the ass
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<ProfPaket> hello
<rokstar> mass: phsycially im in australia
here they come
> here they come
<ProfPaket> DNA...
<fonephuz> does anyone klnow where I could beg a net account in *8012) or
+there abouts?
dude is b
*** Source has joined channel +hack
akc
> dude is bakc
<mayhem> re cliff!
<ProfPaket> stool is a fool!
<fonephuz> re all
<Source> re all!
prof:
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<stoll> rehi
hire
> hire
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<Black> Hiya
<ProfPaket> cliff, what r u doing here? narking?
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p
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*** DrYueh has joined channel +hack
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rof:
*** Mode change "+oo kalaal DrYueh " on channel +hack by Coombs.anu.edu.au
chill
> prof: chill
<fonephuz> getting crowded in hererr....
/who *
Channel Nickname S User@Host (Name)
+hack kalaal H@ cpbrw@marlin.jcu.edu.au (kalaal)
+hack DrYueh H@ mullos@coombs.anu.edu.au (DNA)
+hack Cylon H jamescr@munagin.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Jim)
+hack Jol H u1040057@sg05.csd.unsw.OZ.AU (jol)
+hack Black H svarten@solace.hsh.se (Christer Jansson (ST90))
+hack RRunner H rrunnern@gator.netcom.com (William Bishop)
+hack Source H alpert@gandalf.umcs.maine.edu (T. Alpert)
+hack stoll H stoll@earthquake.Berkeley.EDU (Cliff Stoll)
+hack ProfPaket H malx0557@steer.sdsu.edu (Generic Account 0557)
+hack fonephuz H fonephuz@wombat.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Ron Allen)
+hack rokstar H daemon@BRADENVILLE.ANDREW.CMU.EDU
+(ts-tcp1.nrl.navy.mil)
+hack Masshole H wdp@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Walter Poxon)
+hack peecee H@ gt1679c@ds32.vslab.gatech.edu (da peyote coyote)
+hack mayhem H@ gt0199b@hydra.gatech.edu (Metallica wuz elite!#@)
<RRunner> p.).)""23"<==>
<kalaal> yeah the biggest channel
so
<Black> What's happening in here?
letz get an intelligent convo
*Source* you've got email...it's abt telegard...want to tell me why they
+stopped writing it?? [you can v/a email if it's LONG]
going with cliff
> so letz get an intelligent convo going with cliff
<kalaal> not much just chatting with stoll
ask him about the book
<RRunner> <<"""""3323229"<=>=>7>7777>>>=====<<<<<=<=<=<====<=<>=<=<=<=<====
> ask him about the book
<mayhem> meep meep!
heh
> heh
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btw
*** Mode change "+o Nosdivad " on channel +hack by DrYueh
what time is it in cali?
> btw what time is it in cali?
<ProfPaket> intelligent cliff? bahahahahaha he dose not know his ass from a
+hole in the ground!
<stoll> special? naw -- a few weirdnesses, but
<stoll> still trying to do astronomy.
<RRunner> ptptptptptptpt
<stoll> the attention gets in the way; some of the things
cliff: what was
*** Mode change "+o rokstar " on channel +hack by DrYueh
it like when you v
<Black> later all, this dont seem to get anywhere.
is
*** Signoff: DrYueh
*** Signoff: Black
ited with the fbi
<fonephuz> dissagreed with some of the tatctics..
<stoll> that you usually can do are tough when there's people watching.
in
<Source> Cliff: what do you know about Communications of the ACM?
the room.
<RRunner> Big Mac Attack
> cliff: what was it like when you visited with the fbi in the room.
source: I have that issue
> source: I have that issue
I'd be wiggin out
<stoll> source: I published a couple papers in the CACM, if that's what you
+mean?
> I'd be wiggin out
<mayhem> heh.. da fedmeisterz
<Source> masshole: <chuckle>
<stoll> May 1988 issue of the CACM. They did a nie cover.
iss
*** Cylon has left channel +hack
ue 479 source
> issue 479 source
"stalking the wily
<stoll> When I visted the FBI? Huh? You mean a coupla years ago?
hacker
> "stalking the wily hacker
yeah when they had the red
<Source> page 484
light in the room..
> yeah when they had the red light in the room..
<recalling from the book
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>
> <recalling from the book>
hell: stoll is here
> hell: stoll is here
<stoll> Naw, not the fbi. That's the NSA at fort meade.
<mayhem> but, why dont you do another book on hackers?
<Source> ->497
<GreenHell> the loser?
ah
> ah
no issue 479
> no issue 479
<ProfPaket> hehehe
<GreenHell> yeah we need more hints!
number 5, volume 31
> number 5, volume 31
<stoll> rokstar: i did my best to describe my involvement in computer security
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page 484
> page 484
<Source> masshole: yep!
<ProfPaket> hey cliff i liked your book, i do not think i stopped hacking
+(after reading) for several months...
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<stoll> in the book; I do a bit of lurking & suchnot nowadays, but
<ProfPaket> hahahah
<Belgorath> hey guys what phone # did he dial to connect to the UNIX?
<stoll> I'm back in astronomy.
*** fonephuz has changed the topic to "Cliff"
cliff: do you think tyat you have helped the hacker in
*** fonephuz has changed the topic to "Cliff_Stoll,_Somewhat_Liveish"
crea
<mayhem> fone: do /topic :topictext
increase the # of hackers ou
hackers ou
t there?
> cliff: do you think tyat you have helped increase the # of hackers out
+there?
<mayhem> use a colon
<RRunner> Inside The Inner Circle
<Belgorath> I don't think he has...
*** ProfPaket has changed the topic to "Cliff is a nut case!"
prof:
<mayhem> cukoo
take it
<stoll> rruner -- that's a book written a couple years before
ez dude
> prof: take it ez dude
<Nosdivad> anyone know of any good phreaking files specifically for oz?
*GreenHell* i got some neat mail lists
<Belgorath> He has merely influenced the public image that hackers are
+hardened criminals..
<mayhem> i got a little black book with me poems in!
/msg greenhell hehe
-> *greenhell* hehe
/msg ge
<stoll> cuckoo's egg; I consciously decided not to write in the same style.
reenhel
*** mayhem has changed the topic to "Pink Floyd, The Wall"
l whatta you think of this?
-> *greenhell* whatta you think of this?
<Jol> I got my bag, toothbrush and comb ...
<kalaal> mayhem .. we can put them in stoll's book ... the hacker turned poet!
<stoll> Mass: Did I increase the nubmer of hackers? Hmmmm...
*ProfPaket* why?
<mayhem> heh
/msg profpaket he dont show up to often
<kalaal> jol = titus = why you here when it says your taking a shower? :>
.. ask some kewl questions
-> *profpaket* he dont show up to often.. ask some kewl questions
*** fonephuz has changed the topic to ":Pink"
<GreenHell> I think Stoll created a swell little hacking primer with thiose
+books.
<stoll> My idea was to describe what I saw -
*** Signoff: Belgorath
<Nosdivad> looking for any names of textfiles on phreaking in Oz specifically.
<Jol> Jol = Jol this time ... :-)
<mayhem> awww.. c'mon fuzz.. get with it! :)
you said something in your book about
*** ValleyBoy invites you to channel +gblf
<mayhem> ?
showing people how to
<GreenHell> Jol, where's your towel?
make a bo
make a bo
m
<stoll> and to do my best to describe the problems involved.
b or somehting
<kalaal> "jol = jol" sure thang!
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<fonephuz> sorry, it's been a while since i've irc'd regularly..
> you said something in your book about showing people how to make a bomb or
+somehting
<fonephuz> be bac in a bit
<RRunner> stoll: What was the thrill in entering into computer systems
and how that rela
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tes to the book its
<mayhem> yea, the new servers do that
self
> and how that relates to the book itself
<RRunner> yyou didnt have auth for?
<stoll> RRuner ... for me, the thrill is in
*** kalaal has changed the topic to "A Rich One!"
<Nosdivad> who is stoll anyway?
<ProfPaket> some nark!
*** Signoff: ProfPaket
<kalaal> HEY THE LIFE OF BRIAN IS ON!
<kalaal> coool
<kalaal> "He's not the massiah, he's just a very naught boy!"
<stoll> getting a system to work, not to break in...
<kalaal> that valleyboy should be shot
<Jol> Sorry Green?
<kalaal> stoll your now fun then
<stoll> Hell, I get a charge out of displaying images of martian craters.
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stoll: are you
<RRunner> I always wqanted to ask that...
<GreenHell> jol, a truely together d00d always knows where his towel is
<GreenHell> kallaal whatchannel?
stoll
<kalaal> wha?
:
<fonephuz> +2600
<GreenHell> life of brian?
<RRunner> A few people I knew years back were into the same thing
<kalaal> Greenhell 9
do you think the holes will ev
<GreenHell> a network?
er be 100% plugged in systems?
<kalaal> ya in OZ
I
systems? I
figure that's
<fonephuz> <yawn>
g
<Jol> Whoa! Bizarre concept, eh Green! :-)
oing to be the only time there will be no s
ll be no s
ystm
<rokstar> kalaal what cahnnel?
hackers.. just soci
<GreenHell> heheh, and if I tweak my antenna I might bring it in...
al en
<fonephuz> bye
gineers
> stoll: do you think the holes will ever be 100% plugged in systems? I figure
+that's going to be the only time there will be no systm hackers.. just social
+engineers
<kalaal> 9
<kalaal> 9
<kalaal> 9
<kalaal> 9
<fonephuz> bye *
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<mayhem> shit. i forgot to go to qsd ... arg!
<mayhem> shinobi will be pizzed!!
<Jol> Yeah Cliff, why fix the software when you can just fix the users?
+Hello, Aldous ...
<rokstar> mass: as long as people are in control , nothing will be secure,
+people are the REAL secuirty problems
<kalaal> masshole social engineers will put the holes back in right? :)
yeah "if theres a willll theres a way
<stoll> Mass: most of the problems are due to idiots, rather than s/w holes.
"
> yeah "if theres a willll theres a way"
<mayhem> garage days revisited, green hell!!!!!
<mayhem> METALLICA!
<RRunner> Alot of people are more into coping software, not breaking into
+systems
<kalaal> ppl who have passwds like COMPUTER
what
<mayhem> later
are you consi
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dering
<Source> masshole: there is no way that I can see that all of the holes will
+EVER be plugged..because people have stupid passwords....
an idiot? someone who finds problems with a
ms with a
system, or someone who trashes a system?
> what are you considering an idiot? someone who finds problems with a system,
+or someone who trashes a system?
*GreenHell* I got a Yello, Art Of Noise, and beer making mail lists
I think that hackers can be considered the same as
<stoll> Idiots? Oh, people who set trivial passwords
that should be the sys admin's dudty to make suere he doesnt have idi
t have idi
ots on his
<RRunner> To get in just to look without trashing anything could be concidered
+ok because, noone gets hurt
system
> that should be the sys admin's dudty to make suere he doesnt have idiots on
+his system
would only take a simple progr
<stoll> You've read my cacm paper -- you know my feelings there.
am to take care of that.
> would only take a simple program to take care of that.
<GreenHell> rruner: only if it was unpassworded
fire against fire: if you want a safe system, use what the u
<Source> rrunner: as long as too many people don't start doing that and
+clogging the ports...
hackers us
hackers us
e
<RRunner> except if you were to use information gained from looking for
+personal financial gain.
> fire against fire: if you want a safe system, use what the hackers use
<GreenHell> rrunner as far as the law goes
<kalaal> masshole yeah but then somone lends his account etc etc
<stoll> rrunner: we disagree with each other.
you cant expect to keep a safe system if you dont keep up
<Source> > <from CACM N5/V31 p485>
with rev
<Source> > <the greyish blue text hightlited @ the bottom>
i
<Source> > <which is entitled "What is a hacker?">
si
ith revisi
on
<Source> > <typed while online thanks to Telemate, thanks Telemate!>
s
<Source> >
a
<Source> > Alternatives for describing someone who breaks into computers
nd
<Source> > are: the English word "Cracker," and the Dutch term
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<Source> > "Computerredebrenk" [14#footnote], (literally, computer peace
w
<Source> > disturber). The author's choices include "varmint,"
hat the
<Source> > "reprobate," "swine," and several unprintable words.
<Source> >
hackers are exploring.
> you cant expect to keep a safe system if you dont keep up with revisions and
+what the hackers are exploring.
<peecee> Looks like stoll is in a pig-pen right now..
<GreenHell> hahahah source!
<Nosdivad> see you round guys
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<Source> mass: if you've plugged all of the current sec. problems..WHY
+UPGRADE?
duh
> duh
cau
<NYROSEN> hellow
do I have to answer that one
> do I have to answer that one
<Source> because only the system software itself is secure, you can start kick
+users ..until they pick long passwords...
<RRunner> But people just shouldnt be getting into places that they have no
+need to know
<Source> [or use a password program replacment]...
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<rokstar> but the whole idea of passwords is insecure!
rok:
<kalaal> yeah we need retina scanning!
what
<Source> [or do away w/ passwords and do something like finger print
+scanning...
do you suggest in place?
> rok: what do you suggest in place?
<GreenHell> rok: what else is there that isn't cost prohibitive?
<RRunner> you gotta get rid of the backdoors in a system though
<Source> kal: what about people dialing up then?
<rokstar> nope, have you known about the secuitry on the thinking machines
+corporation?
at least they are getting
<kalaal> source voice
smarter and not making it so that when you
when you
log in and use an invalid
<rokstar> you are asked 12 digit passcode that is GENERATED when you login it
+is only valid for 60seconds
user id it doesnt say "wrong ID"
wrong ID"
<rokstar> you carry a handheld device that generates the same number, if they
+match you login
> at least they are getting smarter and not making it so that when you log in
+and use an invalid user id it doesnt say "wrong ID"
<RRunner> why nt use computer call-back?
computer call back? heh
> computer call back? heh
<stoll> rok: it's similar to my login device to get into an nsa computer.
<GreenHell> call back verification can be evaded
I
<stoll> its a pain.
green: knew
<rokstar> it takes a bit more money (for the pocket devices) but is virtually
+impossible to bbeat
youd say it :)
> green: knew youd say it :)
<rokstar> but still can be done :)
<Source> kor: [problem, all someone has to do it steal the handheld
+thing...(If someone like the cracker stoll was following wanted in...
<peecee> stoll: why do you have access to nsa computers?
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<NOTspam> lo...
<GreenHell> i didn't think you liked the "gendarmes"
<phoenix> r u refering to spam at ut?
<Jol> The "spooks", Green ... :-)
<GreenHell> hehehe
<rokstar> source: yep, but how easy is it gunna be to mugg the dude and steal
+his device ? 48hrs later they kill your acnt , what can u do then? (etc)
<GreenHell> "groovy"
<NOTspam> phoenix: not necessarily...but it does work.
<stoll> peecee - i've an account on a system called dockmaster. it's nsa's
+machine for compusec stuff.
<phoenix> I know 8)
heheh dockmaster.. that was funny what you though that was in the beg
in the beg
ining
> heheh dockmaster.. that was funny what you though that was in the begining
<Jol> Ahhh yes, the Naval shipyard wasn't it Cliff? :-)
<GreenHell> heheheyh Jol!
<Source> rok : so you create a copy of a device and return it/...
jol has it :)
> jol has it :)
<GreenHell> source: yeah, it cant be more diffivcult than a sattelite
+scrambler
<stoll> weird thing was that they gave me an account on dockmaster after i was
+no longer interested in it.
heh
> heh
probably afraid of you cliff :)
> probably afraid of you cliff :)
/who *
Channel Nickname S User@Host (Name)
+hack NOTspam H eww!icky@reed.edu (Revenge is a dish...yummy.)
+hack phoenix H phoenix@coombs.anu.edu.au (phoenix)
+hack GreenHell H 053688@roo.fit.edu (<Touch it! See it!>)
+hack kalaal H@ cpbrw@marlin.jcu.edu.au (kalaal)
+hack Jol H u1040057@sg05.csd.unsw.OZ.AU (jol)
+hack RRunner H rrunnern@gator.netcom.com (William Bishop)
+hack Source H alpert@gandalf.umcs.maine.edu (T. Alpert)
+hack stoll H stoll@earthquake.Berkeley.EDU (Cliff Stoll)
+hack rokstar H@ daemon@BRADENVILLE.ANDREW.CMU.EDU
+(ts-tcp1.nrl.navy.mil)
+hack Masshole H wdp@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Walter Poxon)
+hack peecee H@ gt1679c@ds32.vslab.gatech.edu (da peyote coyote)
<Jol> Government departments - what do you expect?
<stoll> you said it, Jol
<rokstar> source: mebbe, but you got to admit that if u did that youd be prob
+that only person ever to hack the system etc... its not impossible BUT makes
+the system 99% secure
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<RRunner> Computer systems will always be inscure as long as they are tied
+into a network that goes offsite.
/n
<phoenix> brb
ick Dr.
<Source> yep...I couldn't do it...
Delam
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<rokstar> you can do it by buffering a connec t to the system and doing a
+simulateasus login as the same dude , thats another way :)
<Jol> After all, Cliff - what are they really after? They want more free info
+from you without having to give anything back ...
_Delam
Dr_Delam Chn: +hack (I) ***
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<GreenHell> hehehe
hehe
> hehe
<Jol> ... and what better way for you to get the info to them than via an
+account on their own systems?
guest
<GreenHell> *The Evil Dr. Delam*
acc
<stoll> alas, Jol, you're probably right.
ounts rule
> guest accounts rule
<kalaal> corporate crime you mean jol?
green: got anot
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her virign
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<rokstar> runner: taking it off ALL netwroks, inclduing pstn!
gin
<Jol> Info on such, yes kalaal ...
a
<mayhem> rehi
cct
<kalaal> mayhem!!
here at GNU
> green: got another virgin acct here at GNU
/msg greenhell bahahah love boarsting infront of #1 hacker killer
<RRunner> true
sto
killer sto
ll
-> *greenhell* bahahah love boarsting infront of #1 hacker killer stoll
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*rokstar* is phun line back up?
<mayhem> danke
/msg rokstar dude! hehe didnt know you knew me. dunno.. always busy
-> *rokstar* dude! hehe didnt know you knew me. dunno.. always busy
*rokstar* busy, it must be up :)
/msg rokstar whens the last time you called it?
-> *rokstar* whens the last time you called it?
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<GreenHell> delam: shhh Uncle Cliffies on!
heh. not to worry I have 20 accounts
> heh. not to worry I have 20 accounts
<phoenix> <YAWN>
<mayhem> GREENHELL!
*rokstar* bout 1 month ago, i live in australia so only kall it everyonce in a
+while (when i get a at&t or somethin)
/msg rok
<RRunner> So you think the weak link into systems is at the front end. But
+what about data interception?
star yeah, bout the
<mayhem> *whips out guitar and starts jamming*
last time I called
<peecee> So what have you been astronimizing lately stoll?
too.. tried about
<Jol> Use encryption, RRunner?
10 t
about 10 t
imes in the last month though
-> *rokstar* yeah, bout the last time I called too.. tried about 10 times in
+the last month though
<GreenHell> mayhem!
*Source* read the email sent the that one before you logoff or they will know
+something is up....
<rokstar> runner: data interception is just as dangerous
<stoll> :: just back from a phone call ::
<GreenHell> has he arried the hippy chick yet?
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/msg source eh?
-> *source* eh?
<kalaal> Anyone know what ErikB's real name is?
<GreenHell> yeah!
<phoenix> Chris Goggins
<phoenix> == erikb
<stoll> I gotta go. Fun yacking with ya.
wheres erik?
<rokstar> runner: but a good frontdoor will mean you are limited to what you
+can intercept (ie basically only what they 'use')
> wheres erik?
<phoenix> I see..
<Jol> Bye Cliff - likewise ...
<kalaal> phoenix?
<peecee> uh huh
<GreenHell> it was grrovy, dude!
*Source* I send your current account email abt telegard [requesting you to
+post it...]
<phoenix> the one..
l8r c
<RRunner> Stoll: Like your book, and saw the PBS special...
liff
> l8r cliff
<Source> bye cliff!
<mayhem> HCliff Burton!!
<stoll> thanx, RRuner!
<peecee> Cliff Orwell.
<phoenix> Obviously cliff has nothing to say to me..
<phoenix> 8)
<GreenHell> MisFits!
<NOTspam> bye stoll
<stoll> Phoenix :: were you looking for me? (likely I mised it)
<mayhem> =)
<kalaal> stoll uses an X in his thanx?????
<peecee> stoll: can we all call you later?
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heheheheheh
> heheheheheh
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<stoll> I'm randomly on the system; mostly writing.
<Jol> Pedant, NOTspam! :-)
<NOTspam> d00d!
so like we can all call
<phoenix> hmmmm <thinks..>
this weekend
> so like we can all call this weekend
cliff: arent
<GreenHell> at 1am?
you afriad of anyone running yoru trw history?
> cliff: arent you afriad of anyone running yoru trw history?
<GreenHell> Pacific Time?
<rokstar> letz setup an alliance!
rok: yes!
> rok: yes!
<kalaal> heh
if cliff wants
> if cliff wants
<phoenix> Nope... stoll is not stoll..
<stoll> dr delam: it's 3:40 over here; you can call me in the next 10
+minutes, then I'm crashing & you'll get the answering machine.
<phoenix> <I dont think>
<phoenix> But I could be wrong 8)
<kalaal> lets CONFERENCE call with clifford!@#
<mayhem> yea.. it IS 340 here
<GreenHell> Alliance!
yup
> yup
<phoenix> Nope.. last time I talked to him.. he was relatively uninteresting..
<rokstar> itz 22:38 here on the flip side
heh its
<GreenHell> as dopey as the movie made him look?
6:4
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2 here
> heh its 6:42 here
<TANDY> Hi
<mayhem> hmm.
<danius> it's lunch time
<mayhem> Sat Nov 30 06:42:45 EST 1991
<RRunner> 3:43 in San Jose
<GreenHell> time
<RRunner> california
<mayhem> 6:42 in atlanta
<phoenix> Well stoll.. if u are stoll. . kindly tell us all when you and I did
+talk last time..
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<TANDY> 12:42n Germany
<mayhem> 3:44 in Vancouver BC
phoe
<rokstar> 22:38 Australian Eastern Standard time.
nix.. we
<GreenHell> 12:42 Mid European Time
figure
<stoll> phoenix, I haven't the slightest idea who you are.
d its
<RRunner> he's stoll, hes at the right place
him already
> phoenix.. we figured its him already
<rokstar> ^ Summer Savings time
<RRunner> Cuckoo nest
/topic +hg
<phoenix> I dunno... he made mention of me in his paperback release of cuckoos
+egg... I would have thought hed remember..
ack Coo
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Cuckoo Nest
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<phoenix> But it looks like his either got a real bad memory..
oops
> oops
/topic
<phoenix> "Cuckoo has egg on his face"
"
<phoenix> 8)
Cuckoo
<kalaal> hahahaha
<GreenHell> cls
<Jol> Anyway Cliff, we *will* let you go ... :-)
<phoenix> stoll@cfa.harvard.edu I believe
phoenix:
<RRunner> GOd, I always wanted to met Stoll
yes
> phoenix: yes
<stoll> OK & I'm knocking off for the night.
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