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APPLE II DEVELOPMENT FORUM CONFERENCE LOG
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August 1, 1989 10:00 p.m. eastern time
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Topic: Special Guest Dave Szetela of Apple Developer Services
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and Discussion on IIGS System Software 5.0
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Forum Leader: Gary Jacobson (AFA Gary J)
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AFP Draco : Well, welcome all to the Apple II Development Forum
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Conference.
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AFP Draco : I now turn the show over to Gary... (take it away)
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Jump Long : Welcome back David
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AFA Gary J: As Kent said...Welcome this evening. Tonight we have
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a special guest...
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AFA Gary J: Dave Szetella...
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AFA Gary J: ..who is responsible for managing Apple Development
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programs.
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AFA Gary J: I'm Gary Jacobson, and I'll be filling in for Dave
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Sugar (AFL Dyfet) this evening.
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AFA Gary J: (That's Dave Szetela (with one "L"), I'm told :)
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D Szetela : Thanks, Gary.
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AFA Gary J: We'll be using forum protocol STARTING NOW, so if you
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have a question, type a "?" on a line by
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JSchober : (hi, quietly.)
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AFA Gary J: itself, or if you have a comment on the current topic,
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type a "!".
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AFA Gary J: I see Parik has the first question, GA Parik.
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AFA Parik : Hi Dave (wheres Phil & morf? :) will Apple release
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info on writing CDEVs?
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AFA Parik : ga
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D Szetela : Parik: first, that's moof;...
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AFA Gary J: GA, Matt
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D Szetela : Second, Phil's engaging in his favorite hobby...
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D Szetela : , i.e., buying and selling real estate.
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D Szetela : Third,...
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D Szetela : for accuracy's sake, I'm manager of
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D Szetela : Developer Services, which (this week) does _not_
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D Szetela : include Developer Programs, administrators of the
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D Szetela : Partners and Associates programs. That said,
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D Szetela : I can comment on the programs as inteligently as the
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next Apple
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D Szetela : Developer support-type, as long as it isn't Matt. And
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D Szetela : finaly, I'll have to ask one of my merry men (Matt,
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Jim or Dave) to take the CDEV doc question. MM? ga
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Matt DTS : "Will we publish CDEV information?" Not for Parik.
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<grin>
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AFA Parik : :P
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Matt DTS : The CDEV sample is torn apart on my hard drive
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currently and is being reassembled in better pieces
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Matt DTS : and should make it for the September $C7 File Type
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Note, as well as Source Code Sampler Vol. 2. GA.
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AFA Parik : thanks. ga
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Matt DTS : <look at your copies of Phil and Dave's Excellent CD's
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- Dave's hair really looks that way.>
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D Szetela : Masterfully put, quacamole-san.
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Matt DTS : And timing is great on this system.
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AFA Gary J: Ok, our next question is from Neil. GA, Neil.
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D Szetela : Totally.
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RosenNeil : Dave, Not trying to act dumb, but.......... what is a
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CDev? :)
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D Szetela : Ahhh... a CDEV... though CDEV's are my life, I'll
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D Szetela : once again defer to my technical superiors. Lads?
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D Szetela : ga
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Matt DTS : CDevs are "modules" for the Control Panel New Desk
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Accessory in 5.0. Each "icon" is one CDev.
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JSchober : BBL
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Matt DTS : The name is inherited from Macintosh Control Panel
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modules, which have the filetype 'cdev'.
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RosenNeil : So if you dont use the Control Panel NDA, you do not
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need the CDev folder?
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Matt DTS : They provide an easier way to control some system
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aspects than DAs, and are easier to write, as...
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Matt DTS : ...hopefully you'll see in September. YOU NEED THE
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CDEV FOLDER. Certain aspects of the system are
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Matt DTS : handled totally by CDevs, and the Control Panel NDA
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should not be removed.
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Matt DTS : You don't have to use it for everything you can, but
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some things are not emulated elsewhere (like
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Matt DTS : choosing printers, for example). GA.
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RosenNeil : thanks
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AFA Gary J: Ok, Coach, you're up next.
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Coach101 : Will the Cdev documentation, as opposed to sample
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code, be available with
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Coach101 : the Septemberish material from APDA? ga
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Matt DTS : Coach uncharacteristically missed something. <taken
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aback>
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D Szetela : Have at it, Matthew.
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Matt DTS : The specifications will be in the September *File Type
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Note* batch (as in, "with Technical Notes").
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Matt DTS : Unrelated to other 5.0 documentation from APDA at any
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stage. GA.
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Coach101 : Ok, I asked the wrong question... What I should have
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asked is will
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AFA Gary J: KinkyGS has the next question. GA Kinky
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KINKYGS : Today while using 5.0, I removed the
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SystemDisk,inserted AW2.0, launched,then
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KINKYGS : when I aq
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Coach101 : the FileTYpe notes be available from APDA in the
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Septemberish time fram..
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KINKYGS : quit Aw
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Coach101 : ga
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KINKYGS : the system went to one moment ples
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KINKYGS : ples=please,
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Matt DTS : (Coach: with some delay as usual for the duplication
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process, yes.)
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KINKYGS : and went into monitor * with a bunch of numbers what
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did I do wrong
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AFA Gary J: GA, Matt
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KINKYGS : ga
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Matt DTS : Don't use 2.0. It does stupid things like try to
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install New Desk Accessories. 2.1 should not...
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Matt DTS : ...have the problem. Perhaps Mark has more insight
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(I'm done - GA)
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KINKYGS : BTW 5.0 is cool! Hats off!
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MMunz : WOuld that be the same problem that causes the new Sys
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5.0 finder to crash
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MMunz : sometimes when you shut down! :-)
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AFA Gary J: GA, Dave
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AFA Gary J: (Lyons, that is :)
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Dave Lyons: What? I don't see the connection between AppleWorks
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Classic 2.0 calling
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Dave Lyons: DeskStartup (it shouldn't) and any Finder crashing. I
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haven't seen the Finder
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Dave Lyons: crash at shutdown except when an application called
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ClearHeartBeat (which
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Jump Long : ooops
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Dave Lyons: should *not* be done). Any details available? Any
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error messages or
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Dave Lyons: numbers on the crash? Any circumstances?
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Dave Lyons: (ga)
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MMunz : On some occasions, when you use a oa-Q (Shutdown), you
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end up in the monitor,
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KINKYGS : Was that directed to me Dave?
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MMunz : it's happened about half a dozen times.
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AFA Gary J: Kinky, perhaps you could post something in the message
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boards. See if you can reproduce the
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Matt DTS : We've not seen this happen. Can you send us a disk
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that reproduces the problem?
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Dave Lyons: (Yes, please.)
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AFA Gary J: problem and post more information (error messages, or
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other stuff that appears on the screen)
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KINKYGS : You mean the system disk? Right.
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KINKYGS : Sho nuff!
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Matt DTS : It could be as simple as someone trashing memory
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somewhere. We'll have to see it to find out.
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Matt DTS : (GA)
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AFA Gary J: The system disk and the program that causes the
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problem.
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AFA Gary J: Ok...moving along.. our next question is from AE Phil.
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GA Phil
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IIGS MAN : How can i utilize music sequences?
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AE PhilM : To Dave Szetela..this is a two parter (comment and
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question) so bear with me...
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IIGS MAN : oops(thought you were talking to me)
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AE PhilM : First, congradulations for running a first class
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divison at Apple. The quality
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AE PhilM : responsivness, accuracy (especially DTS) has been
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outstanding.
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AE PhilM : Second, I assume you heard about the A2 Central
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conference, did you get a
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AE PhilM : chance to see any of the video taped sessions, namely
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Bill Mensch's talk, and
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AE PhilM : can you comment on it?
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AE PhilM : done
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D Szetela : Phil, thanks for the kudos. The credit for
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D Szetela : the great technical support you've been seeing goes to
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the
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D Szetela : best and brightest (and nattily dresses) group of
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Apple II
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D Szetela : engineers anywhere, the Apple II DTS team. How about a
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standing ovation? ga
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Matt DTS : Who wears natty dresses?
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AFA Parik : ()() standing
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D Szetela : <er... that's nattily dressed.>
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Coach101 : The secret is out Matt :)
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Coach101 : () ()
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KINKYGS : APPLAUSE:::::::APPLAUSE
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AE PhilM : ()()()() (thanks to engineering also...they have been
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pretty great too)
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AFA Gary J: Clap clap
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D Szetela : OK, enough applause - it'll swell their diminutive
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egos.
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AE PhilM : :)
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KINKYGS : ;)
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D Szetela : Next, I haven't seen the video of Mensch's speech.
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AIIDTS'ers, do we have a copy? ga
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Dave Lyons: (Not that I know of.)
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Matt DTS : I don't think we've made our recommendations yet on
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which tapes to order.
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Jump Long : We should probably order a copy of each...
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D Szetela : Well, let's _git_ 'em! Phil, was there anything in
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AFA Gary J: Anyone here have information on ordering them?
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D Szetela : Mensch's speech that you wanted my comment on? ga
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AE PhilM : Thanks anyhow...I just wanted to know what you may
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have thought....Bill was a
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AE PhilM : bit tough on Apple :))
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AFL Vince : (I do, Gary)
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AFA Parik : (where do we write to order?)
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AFA Gary J: Vince, could you please tell us where we can order the
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tapes?
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IIGS MAN : protocol!
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IIGS MAN : use ? or !
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AFL Vince : (A2 Central - Audios are $7.00 each, Vidios are $21.00
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each. There is a price breakdown for
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AFA Gary J: (and then we'll get on to Parik's question)
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AFL Vince : ordering more than one. I'll post it in Forum
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Business)
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AFA Gary J: Thanks, Vince.
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AFA Gary J: GA, Parik.
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AFA Parik : something I'd like to see is the great minds who wear
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natty dresses write more
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AFA Parik : stuff in Apple Viewpoints and that other monthly mag.
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Depressing seeing mac
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AFA Parik : stuff only week after week. ga
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D Szetela : Parik, I agree. We'
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IIGS MAN : I have a couple of questions.
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D Szetela : need to beat the bushes more to get
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D Szetela : some of the Apple II people writing. They just
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AFA Gary J: (You'll be right after DR Why, IIGS Man.)
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D Szetela : work too damned hard. ga
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D Szetela : I'm sure Matt can elucidate.
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D Szetela : ga
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AFA Gary J: I see we have a couple of comments here... :)
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AFA Gary J: GA, Matt
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Matt DTS : Having had a lot (or more) to do with the July TN
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batch (180 pages done in more or less two weeks)...
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Matt DTS : ...I don't think the problem is not writing; I think
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it's what we choose to write. I actually was
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Matt DTS : thinking about some ViewPoints subjects this week and
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was trying to decide on one to try for
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HyperRam : BRB
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Matt DTS : publication. (with.) But if I do, something else in
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the works like FT notes or Sample Code will get
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Matt DTS : delayed instead. GA.
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AFA Gary J: GA with your comment, Jim
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D Szetela : Jim - something to add? ga
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AFA Parik : it seems theres a short press time for viewpoints, why
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not put in a "whats
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Jump Long : What Matt said ^^^... I've been rather busy with
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Technical Notes this week, too
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Jump Long : ga
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AFA Parik : coming" so developers not on alink can find out when
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the next tn batch is
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AFA Parik : a coming?
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AFA Parik : <done>
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Matt DTS : They come every other month like clockwork - it would
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be like announcing:
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Matt DTS : "Midnight will follow 11:59 PM this week." GA.
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Doctor Why: I installed 5.0 on my hard disk, including the CDEV
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folder and new control
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AFA Gary J: Ok, Dr Why has our next question...
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Doctor Why: panel, but when I select the new control panel, I'm
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told to insert the
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Doctor Why: System disk. What gives? GA
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AFA Gary J: GA, Jim
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Jump Long : Did you use the 5.0 Installer to install 5.0?
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Doctor Why: No.
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Matt DTS : (may I?)
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Jump Long : Then use it and try again.
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AE PhilM : Elaborate Matt
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Matt DTS : *NEVER* use 5.0 on a system that wasn't installed with
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the Installer.
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Jump Long : The Installer copies both the data fork and the
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resource fork of ALL files
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Matt DTS : The relationship between the files is complicated and
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all must be present in the right places...
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Jump Long : needed for each installation. If you miss one file or
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use a copy program that
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Jump Long : can't handle the resource fork of a file, your
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installation won't work.
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Jump Long : ga
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AE PhilM : Thank you. We get this call at least 30 times a day
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at Applied Engineering.
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AFA Gary J: (Like Copy II Plus ...won't work)
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Matt DTS : ...what Jim said will happen. Bad things. The
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Installer now lets you select multiple scripts
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Doctor Why: I was in ORCA
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Matt DTS : (with the shift key or the Apple key for discontinuous
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selections), so the whole process
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AE PhilM : ORCA does not know about extended files, Doc.
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Jump Long : (Finder 4.0, ORCA/M's copy and APW's copy don't work
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either)
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Matt DTS : is pretty easy. Never ever don't use it. GA
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Jump Long : Never don't, Matt??
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Matt DTS : Never ever don't use the Installer to install 5.0.
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Doctor Why: I guesss I've been told! :)
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Jump Long : :)
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AFA Gary J: :) Ok, IIGS Man has a couple of questions for us.
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AFA Gary J: GA IIGS Man.
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IIGS MAN : A:Where is system disk 5.0? (One more question after
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this)
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AFA Gary J: Have you checked at your dealer? It IS shipping.
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IIGS MAN : its AUGUST!
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AFA Gary J: It will be here on AppleLink on August 7.
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Jump Long : On my desk, on Matt's desk, several other places...
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including your dealer.
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IIGS MAN : Why the 7th?
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Matt DTS : It's better than the 8th, for example.
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AFA Gary J: GA, Jeff
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AE PhilM : On Vulcan :)
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IIGS MAN : ha ha. REALLY.
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AFA Gary J: :)
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Jump Long : The seventh is the day Apple licensing will let them
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distribute 5.0
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JeffDavies: I can't find a dealer in Western Mass with it and when
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I do can they charge
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JeffDavies: for it?
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Matt DTS : A package with user-level documentation (including
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network installation) is available for $49.
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JeffDavies: I will pay but I want the APDA release with the notes
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HyperRam : I just bought mine today.
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IIGS MAN : How much is docs only?
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Matt DTS : Your dealer *may* copy the disks for you at no charge,
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but he is not required to.
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Matt DTS : The APDA release is "in the process" and will be ready
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in about 4 to 6 weeks, APDA people tell me.
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IIGS MAN : disks? system tools 5.0!
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Matt DTS : The dealers do not sell a "documentation only" package.
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Matt DTS : (was that all of them?)
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IIGS MAN : oh.
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IIGS MAN : I have more!
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AFA Gary J: Did that answer it for you, IIGS Man?
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Matt DTS : Ay yi yi.
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AFA Gary J: GA with your next one..
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Jump Long : +(HRam)yes
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IIGS MAN : B:How can i use Note sequencer files? do i need to be
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a programmer?
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IIGS MAN : thats it!
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Michael515: hi
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AFA Gary J: GA, Matt
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Matt DTS : I'd like a clarification of "note sequencer files".
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There is no filetype/auxtype for sequences...
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IIGS MAN : Go matt,answer away!
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Matt DTS : ...although there coud be one with little trouble.
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What do you mean?
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IIGS MAN : The ones used for the MS to Sequencer files.
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Matt DTS : (ga)
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IIGS MAN : Would it be hard to make an NDA that would play them?
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Matt DTS : (MS = Music Studio?) I dunno. Technically, a
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sequence is just the format of data fed to the
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IIGS MAN : correct!
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Matt DTS : Note Sequencer toolset, which uses the Note
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Synthesizer to play the notes in sequence.
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Matt DTS : It might not be too difficult to do an NDA to play
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them, although you'd have the same problems...
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IIGS MAN : So i need to be a programmer.:(
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Matt DTS : ...that any NDA using sound tools would have (see IIgs
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Technical Note #53).
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Matt DTS : GA.
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Matt DTS : (wait, don't)
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Matt DTS : I think the purpose of an MS to Sequence utility would
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be to allow developers to use MS as a...
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Matt DTS : ...program to create sequences for use in their own
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programs. It helps them write their music more
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Matt DTS : easily. I don't think it was intended to be a
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user-level tool, if I understand correctly. GA.
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IIGS MAN : For me it would allow me to play my favorite MS songs
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via NDA!
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Matt DTS : (really, this time, GA0
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Matt DTS : )
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AFA Gary J: HyperRam, did you still have a comment?
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AFA Gary J: No..he's gone..
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AFA Gary J: :)
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AFA Parik : (actually Paul Gauthier has written a program to play
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MS songs, and i think
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AFA Parik : BG music NDA will play them - check in the AMS)
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Coach101 : There has been a LARGE number of postings about 5.0 in
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the last week
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AFA Gary J: Ok, Coach, GA with your question.
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Coach101 : or so. Was the volume of reports that have been on
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seen an ALPE anticipated?
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Coach101 : ga
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Matt DTS : Waitaminnute...
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Matt DTS : "reports" on what? I haven't read the message area
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and don't know to what you refer.
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AFA Parik : (you poor boy)
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Coach101 : Take an hour, or two, or three..... There have been a
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lot of
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AFA Gary J: Anticipated? I don't think the 5.0 postings were any
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different than the ones that appeard after
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AFA Gary J: the release of GS/OS back in September.
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Coach101 : this does not work (followed by a yes it does)
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followed by.....Where is Dave S tonight anyway??Sugar that is...
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Coach101 : I came on ALPE in December, and it seemed that the 5.0
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stuff clearly
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Coach101 : outdistanced the 4.0 stuff. No pan intended was just
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wondering
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Matt DTS : Personally...
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AFA Parik : [because 4.0 was spread over many forums, 5.0 seems to
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be ADV only... in Nov
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Dave Lyons: (No pan intended?)
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AFA Parik : there was 1000s of msgs!]
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Coach101 : if Apple had anticipated the variableness of the
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reports... ga
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Matt DTS : I expected a lot of the "x crashes" type messages to
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result from people who didn't use the Installer.
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AFL Vince : (why does everyone confuse SYSTEM 5.0 with GSOS ? :)
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Doctor Why: You don't tug on Superman's cape, you don't spit in
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the wind, you don't install
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Matt DTS : So far, what I am seeing more or less corroborates
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that. Please help spread the word to use it.
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Doctor Why: 5.0 by anything other than the Installer.
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Doctor Why: (Have I been forgiven)
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Matt DTS : Also, there were many pre-release copies floating
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around, and mixing/matching can be dangerous, too.
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Matt DTS : I think I've seen reports of one "5.0" release disk
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being passed around with some pre-release parts.
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KINKYGS : <------not cornphused
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Matt DTS : If you don't know the source of your 5.0 disks, you
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might try getting them again and reinstalling.
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Coach101 : If everything is v03.00 is that release? or possibly
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pre-release?
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Matt DTS : There are a LOT of changes, and it will take time to
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get word of all of them out to the world.
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Matt DTS : Not even the version number is a safe check - some of
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the very last disks before release had all the
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Matt DTS : version numbers set for final. Check with a friend, a
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dealer, or try downloading again (ack!).
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Matt DTS : (And note that the AppleShare FST is version 2.01, not
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3.00.)
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Dave Lyons: Many toolsets are 3.1, not 3.0, too.
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Dave Lyons: (Those don't show up during boot, though.)
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Case : What problems would we encounter if we use the
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pre-released 5.0
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Coach101 : Thanks....
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Matt DTS : It
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Matt DTS : It's like asking "what would happen to my drive if I
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pulled the interface card while the computer
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Matt DTS : was powered on?" It would be interesting, not fun,
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and not predictable.
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Case : Ok, I see. That gets the point across!
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JeffDavies: I had a customer ask the disk drive question today,
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because they did it!(smart)
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Matt DTS : (ga marty - we're out of protocol.)
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Case : Could we possibly see a new CPU to go along with 5.0?
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AFA Gary J: :)
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Coach101 : :)
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AFL Marty : Are there any changes in the ImageWriter printer
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driver which would account...
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AFL Marty : for an AppleWorks GS page layout to go awry?
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Jump Long : Yes, Marty. If you have any bad fonts...
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AFL Marty : (on the screen)
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Jump Long : (on the screen??)
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AFL Marty : Yes... let me explain...
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AFA Gary J: Please :)
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Matt DTS : A change to the driver can't affect anything on the
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screen.
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AFL Marty : If I elect to size the page layout to fit the screen...
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D Szetela : 'Scuse me, folks - gotta run. Thanks for inviting me!
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Bye.
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AFL Marty : the text areas are no longer aligned the way they are
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if I use...
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AFL Marty : the same program and the same data with System 4.0.
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AFA Gary J: Thanks for comeing, Dave!
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Coach101 : Good night Dave.
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AFL Marty : In fact, the text areas are often off the screen
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almost entirely.
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Jump Long : See you tomorrow Dave
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AFL Vince : (Dennis - This one, in Forum Business)
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Dave Lyons: Marty, are you using AWGS 1.0v2 or 1.0v1?
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AFL Marty : The scroll bar at the bottom will only take me halfway
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across the page.
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AFL Marty : AWGS 1.0v2
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AFC Mark : The problem lies in that AWGS stores the Page Layout
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settings as part of the...
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AFL Marty : And yes, I used the installer for System 5.0.
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AFC Mark : document... and attempts to restore them when
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reloaded- this has caused...
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KINKYGS : Bye all. Thanks for answering my ? If problem
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presists will be in touch!
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AFC Mark : problems within 4.0 itself- by switching from the
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standard IW driver and the...
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AFC Mark : IWCL... but it really is noticable under 5.0.
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AFL Marty : Is there any way to fix this, short of reverting to
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4.0?
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Matt DTS : If that's the case, then you should be able to:
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Matt DTS : 1) Rename your 4.0 ImageWriter driver something like
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IW4.0
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Matt DTS : 2) Select that as the printer in the Control Panel NDA
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AFC Mark : Reset your Page Setup parameters as you originally had
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them... and it should
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AFC Mark : work just fine.
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Matt DTS : 3) Launch AWGS and load your document
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Matt DTS : 4) Switch to the new printer driver and save it.
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Matt DTS : (will redoing page setup fix it? Does it actually
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change the parameters in some weird way?)
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AFC Mark : Yes... it does... and I've been trying to figure out
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how...
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AFL Marty : I did that Mark. It didn't help.
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AFC Mark : (No luck so far)Anytime.
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AFL Marty : Didn't you just say the print driver wouldn't affect
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the screen?
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Matt DTS : Oh. Then what I said might not work. (But if what he
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said didn't, what I said might.) <geez>
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Matt DTS : <things used to be easier>
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AFC Mark : Wouldn't it be nice if people followed the rules!!! B-)
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AFL Marty : It sure would.
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Dave Lyons: I think there's at least 1 way the driver could
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indirectly affect the screen--
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AFA Parik : (are you taling about Imagewriter CL?)
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Dave Lyons: the application probably calls PrValidate to let the
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currently-selected driver
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Dave Lyons: set up some stuff in the "print record" & then
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computes the display based
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Dave Lyons: partly on that information. I don't know what, if
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anything, was changed in
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Dave Lyons: the 5.0 IW driver that would affect the print record.
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Matt DTS : Yeah, but the standard values and their locations in
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the print record haven't changed to my knowledge
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Doctor Why: Well, I have a date with the Installer...Good night,
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and thanks.
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Matt DTS : in the 5.0 drivers.
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AFA Gary J: Goodnight, Doc
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Matt DTS : I have a dinner appointment. Good night, and see
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everyone next week. (hope that helps, Marty)
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Dave Lyons: Yeah, I don't see why they would've changed.
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AFC Mark : But, if you don't originally have your page setup laid
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out to coincide with the
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AFA Gary J: Goodnight, Matt.
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AFC Mark : document, it wouldn't load correctly
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AFL Marty : I just emailed you one of the files I'm having
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problems with Mark.
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AFL Marty : The PL looks perfect under 4.0... under 5.0 it's a
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disaster.
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