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1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask...
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2 ************************* INSTALLED: 6 DEC 86 ************************
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3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator
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4 ************************************************************
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5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION
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6 PLACED ON THIS SYSTEM.
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7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privately owned
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8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public.
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9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. As the system is
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10 privately owned, I retain the right to remove any and all messages which
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11 I may find offensive. Because of the limited size of the system, it will be
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12 periodically purged of messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved)
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13 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out of the
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14 ENTER mode. The message is automatically stored. If after entering the
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15 message you find you made a mistake, use the replace command to replace
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16 the line. To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up.
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17 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system.
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18 ************************************************************
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19
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20 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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21 Ah, but Russia doesn't care about the oil itself, what they care about
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22 is gaining control over the gulf, and thus control over a major portion
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23 of the worlds oil supply. The midEast countries on the other hand are
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24 interested in the oil as a way to support their economies, as well as
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25 a means to support their bickering amongst themselves, and if the US
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26 doesn't provide them the means to support the bickering, then they will
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27 turn elsewhere. Russia would be more than happy to help out, and they
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28 have different strings attached then the US does. One of those is greater
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29 and greater control over the way they run their countries. Then comes a
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30 point when they dump the old leaders, and install their own puppets,
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31 and another Soviet sattelite is born (what they used to call a colony
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32 in the old days). Sure Russia doesn't need the oil (they export the stuff)
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33 but who ever said that was what they were after? Heck, they would LOVE to
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34 gain control of the mideast oil, it would be great for them. They would
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35 have an added source of income by selling the mideast oil which they
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36 could very much use to boost their lagging economy. And they would have
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37 the added enjoyment of selling it to the western countries while they
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38 use the profits to boost arms production, and support to countries
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39 that they haven't taken over yet. That as well as gaining a very strategic
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40 position in Europe. Oil itself is just a side issue in the mideast thing,
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41 it gives the countries reason to do what they want. I would be willing to
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42 bet that Russia is working very strongly to get into South Africa. There
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43 they could gain control over a major portion of the worlds chromium supply
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44 as well as a few other precious metals that South Africa happens to be
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45 the home of because of a pecular geological distortion of the land.
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46 Again Russia doesn't need the chromium, they are the other exporter of
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47 the stuff. But they would love to gain control of it for their own uses.
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48 Starting out a fresh disk with more ranting...at the top as they say...
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49 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ fred ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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50 ========================================================================
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51 The Russians aren't interested in oil? That's got to be the dumbest
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52 thing I've ever heard. It's the same as saying saying they're not
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53 interested in treasure and wealth, because that's what oil is. How
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54 could you possibly believe that? It makes no sense at all.
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55 Boris
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56 ========================================================================
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57 WHO CARES?
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58 ###################################################################
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59 Up until the Iran story broke Reagan was everybodys hero. He was the
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60 most popular president off all time and you fools couldn't say
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61 enough good stuff about him. Now that he has his first major set
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62 back you turn on him with out mercy. You are all a bunch of vultures.
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63 The herd mentality rules. You are a bunch of hippocritical fools.
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64 You should be ashamed.
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65
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66 Harvey
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67 ###################################################################
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68
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69
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70 the skin heads will rule the earth
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71 -samoan
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72 done
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73 God I hope so.
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74 who says "punks not dead"? kill killKILLmy old mans a fatso but you know he owns this house!troy is a nazi punk!
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75 the SAMOAN_
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76 done
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78
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79 will someone list some new bouletin
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80 board #'s?
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81
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82
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83 ****************************************
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84 samoanizm is the key to our survival
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85 *wemust join the skinheads in their
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86 revolution. here's what you must do:
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87 -by an ax
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88 -buy a studded leather jacket
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89 -call derek and tell him that your a brther skin head.
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90 -and most of all, slam to the
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91 ANGRY SAMOANS
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92
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93 *the SAMOAN_
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94
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95 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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96 Oh God Yes. Yes, Yes, Yes. I've already
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97 got my ax. My mommy is making me a studded
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98 leather jacket. Oh yes. Oh God. How I want
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99 to kill. Help me. Help me. Show me the way.
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100 I'll do anything you ask.
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101
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102 Nervil Slambucket
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103 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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104 This is so inspirational I just can't believe it. It makes me feel so, well, just so intellectual. Where else could you read
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105 such good stuff.
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106
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107 WHO CARES?
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108 ____12/06/86__________________JD 2446771.5205_________16:29:36_PST_________
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109 ()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()
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110
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111 FOR THE DUDE WHO WANTED BBS NUMBERS THE BEST BBS IN THE WORLD(SOMETIMES)
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112 IS I.B.B.S. - 503-292-xxxx
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113 THE "FARM BBS" IS COOL TOO IF YOU LIVE CLOSE ENOUGH TO IT TO NOT PAY LONG
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114 DISTANCE. FARM BBS 206-264-xxxx.
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115 BOTH BBS'S LET YOU DOWNLOAD KILLER SYUFF THE FIRST TIME YOU LOG-ON DUDE
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116 AND IT DONT COST A CENT. I THINK THEIR
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117 PRETTY RAD AND IF YOU CALL THEM THEN
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118 YOULL THINK SO TOO.
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119
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120 CAN ANYBODY OUT THERE DO A JUDO-AIR
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121 OR EVEN A STREET PLANT OR ANY OTHER
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122 TRICKS . IF SO LET ME KNOW!
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123 (YOULL ONLY UNDERSTAND THAT LAST PART IF YOU SKATE)
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124
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125 WELL, HAPPY TRAILS
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126
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127 ()()()()()()()()()()()()SKATER DUDE()()()()()()()()()()()()()
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129
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130 ``````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
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131 First, let's get something straight. Russia, in case you haven't heard, is now
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132 a net importer of oil. NOT AN EXPORTER.
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133 Second, what would happen if Russia got control of the world's oil? Simple,
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134 they would get a lot of money. What would they do with it? Spend it? If the
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135 y spent it in the U.S. then you have what is commonly known as world trade.
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136 This would mean that soon they would become as dependent on foreign
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137 manufacturing as we are. Then, it would become even harder for them to blow
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138 us up than it is now. Any attempt by them to control our economy would result
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139 in the destruction of the economy that is supplying them with products.
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140 Some people wonder why we sell grain to the Russians if we are supposed to
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141 be enemies. The reason is that since we produce so much grain and other food
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142 we are held captive by our own production. We could no more stop selling grain
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143 to Russia than we could drop atom bombs on our farms. The same thing would
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144 happen to them if they ugained control of the world's oil. Since oil is only
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145 vaulable when it is bringing in money they MUST make it available to the largest
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146 consumers, namely the U.S. Any attempt to make it less available,i.e. blackmail
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147 or raising prices, destroys it's economic efectiveness. If Russia grabbed oil,
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148 then told the U.S. that they would no longer allow us to have it, if a world
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149 war did not result, within ten years an oil substitute would render all that
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150 oil vauleless.
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151
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152 One other thing, just what vaulable countries has Russia seized within the
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153 last twenty years? None. Of course, they got quite a few useful ones right
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154 after WWII, but after consolidating those holdings, they haven't picked up
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155 any others worth real money. Neither, as a matter of fact, has the U.S..
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156 I would say that with the exception of a small amount of minor posturing
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157 that will continue indefinitly, the World Powers are pretty much set. Over a
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158 great strech of years, or generations, there will in time come new World Powers,
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159 but I think that the era of gigantic changes in World Power is over, killed by
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160 the atomic bomb. Historically, economic control of a country usually does not
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161 result in direct control of a country. The army still has to move in.
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162 ```````````````````````Mr. Interceptor```````````````````````````````````
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163 Is there anything inspirational on this bulletin board? I am new to this
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164 form of computing.
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165
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166 Are there any phone numbers available for information libraries or other
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167 information services?
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168 allen
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169 ***************************************************************************
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170 exit
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171 O\=<([V2V])>=/O
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172 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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173 What countries have Russia taken under its wings? Well, how about Afganistan
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174 for starters. Tanks in the streets is usually a pretty good indication that
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175 they've decided to do that. Now you may not think that it is a significant
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176 country, and from a standpoint of assests there isn't much there, but for
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177 Russia it is an important step in gaining control of the area. But to be more
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178 direct in a country that maybe even you would consider important, there is
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179 of course Cuba. The take over of that country by Castro was a great coup for
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180 Russia since it gave them access to a base on our doorstep which they didn't
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181 have before. Russia does not have significant imports of oil from western
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182 countries. If you consider the transport of oil from their satelite countries
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183 as import, then yes, they import oil, I personally don't consider that
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184 importing, I consider it more along the lines of moving oil from alaska
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185 to the lower 48. As for what they would do with the money, they would do the
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186 same thing they have always done, send it on weapons production. Russia has
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187 always put greater importance on military strength than we have, diverting a
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188 larger portion of their economy to that end than we usually have. As for
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189 being dependant on us economically, it's doubtful, if you remember, during
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190 the wheat embargo they didn't have any problem at all, they just went elsewhere
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191 to buy it. We aren't the only country in the world you know.
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192 Also keep in mind the Russia attitude which is to self-reliance, they are
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193 very proud of their country and have no intention of letting it ever be
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194 compromised.
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195 Oh yes, as for oil production, some usful information. It was figured out during
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196 the last oil embargo what price oil had to get to to trip transfer to another
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197 source. At $1.50 a gallon it becomes cost effective to mix alcohol and gas.
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198 At $2.50 it becomes cost effective to switch to an entirely new source.
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199 While the mideast oil is an important source for the western countries,
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200 even if it was cut off totally, there are enough other sources to keep it
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201 in the range of alcohol mix pricing, and not a complete substitution.
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202 That will change in time, in the not too distant future even the prodigous
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203 wells in the mid east will go dry, along with most of the other wells in
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204 the world, and that is what will drive the price high enough to trip a
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205 conversion to something else. Biggest probablilities are Methane, Alcohol,
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206 or Hydrogen.
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207 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ fred ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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208 listen youolitical bozos, do you actually thing that peoople call this board tosee that babbling about russia?!
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209 *SAMOAN_
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212 YEA ,, SAMOAN(WHOEVER HE IS) IS RIGHT
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213 MAN. NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR DAT STUFF.
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214
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215 TERMANIL GRAPHICS(RAD)!
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216
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217 \__________
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218 O O
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220 SKATEBOARD DUDE! HERES A TOP VIEW!
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221
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222 |\__/-----\
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224 |/--\_____/
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225 WOW MAN THATS HARD TO DO!
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226 HERES A RAMP DUDE!
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227
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228 _____ _____
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234 | \ / |
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235 |__________\_______/__________|
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236
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237 NOW THATS RAD!(SORTA)
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238
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239 ........LATER........
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240 ()()()()()()()()()()()SKATER DUDE()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()
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241 ***************************************
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242 Ok, you wise guys, why is the mideast so important to anyone?
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243 Why not let them alone and kill them-
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244 selves off if that's what they want?
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245 Good riddence I s ay. What do we care
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246 happens to them anyway. What would we
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247 want with a stupid desert. I think
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248 this whole thing is stupid.
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249 ***************************************
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250 WHO CARES?
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251
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252 {I entered about twenty lines of biochemical acid infighting within my mind,
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253 and this computer locked up. It lost it, I didn't. I am used to losing control
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254 over what I am trying to say, but I had done a good job- And this computer
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255 froze. It just sent those words, osmosis, Oil, and it just got real tricky.}
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256
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257 /\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\
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258 Yaaaj!
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259 /\/\/\/\/\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\//\//\\//\\// - Gajarel
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260
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261 I, the great SAMOAN, need help to get this stupid political crap off the board.
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262 I'm looking for loyal punk folowers to
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263 revolt with me.
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264 *SAMOAN_
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265
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266 ################################################################################ NO
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267 NO MESSAGES OVER 15 LINES!
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268
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269 ########################################
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270 to skater dude:
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271
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272 I think that you would make a good
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273 follower. Jump on your board and skate on over! Are you a skate punk or just another skater geek?
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274 *SAMOAN_
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279 EXPLOITED!
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280 punks not dead!
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281 ---
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282
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283 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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284 .-.Skating.away.on.the.thin.ice.of.a.new.day.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.Emu
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285 ++++++Trying+to+cope+with+"dead week"++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Milch
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286 ()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()
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287
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288 I AINT A SKATE GEEK(WHAT EVER THAT IS)AND I AINT A SKATE PUNK.
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289 I'M A SKATER... PERIOD. AND A GOOD ONEAT THAT... DUDE.
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290 SKATING JUST ISN'T A SPORT OR ACTIVITY ITS A WAY OF LIFE. WELL... TO SOME
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291 DUDES ITS JUST A SPORT BUT NOT ME.
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292 AND IM SORTA ALREADY IN GANG, AND WE ALL SKATE.
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293 JUST WHAT IS IT YOU AND YOUR DUDES DO.. KILL INICENT PEOPLE AND KITTENS
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294 AND WHATS THE ASTERICK IN FRONT OF
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295 YOUR NAME FOR SAMOAN. AND ARE YOU REALLY A TOUGH GANG LEADER OR ARE
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296 YOU SOME WUSS WITH THICK RIMMED
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297 GLASSES TRYING TO BE ONE.
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298
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299
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300 WELL SKATER DUDE SKATING OFF...
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303 If the USSR gets the mideast, we wil be short of oil. $2.50/gallon may be a
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304 trigger point, but it'll take years to get decent yields from those alter-
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305 native sources. Plus we use oil for a *lot* more than fuel & lubrication.
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306 Plastics & fertilizer are important uses.
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307 Also with control of the mideast, the USSR would have a *warm-water* port.
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308 This is beacoup bad news from a strategic point of view!
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309 Finally, if you consider their history, they've got every reason to be the
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310 kind of paranoid SOB's they are. (lessee now, Napoleon invades & gets out with
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311 heavy losses on both sides. Then I believe they were involved in the Crimean
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312 War. Then WW I & the revolution. Please note that the *allies* invaded Russia
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313 to try and reverse the revolution! Then the major losses during WW II.)
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314 ____12/07/86__________Leonard_JD 2446772.7139_________21:08:10_PST_________
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315 WHO CARES?
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316 zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzippy
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317 Harvey,
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318 I am deeply insulted. I have never had a pro-Reagan attitude, and feel the
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319 man is not competent to run a country such as this one.
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320
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321 There, now that that's out, the subject at hand.
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322 (seems any world debate topic ends up with the Soviets)
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323 The point about the Soviet attitude is absolutely correct. Constant
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324 hammering, invasions, and back-stabbing are responsible for the attitude.
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325 As for as control of the Middle East, it is indeed a huge strategic
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326 advantage to anyone who can claim such control. It would also be cause for
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327 World War III. Effective control of such a regoin would criple the US oil
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328 supply, alternative sources or not, and would toss such an economic wrench into
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329 the machine that the US would be all but forced to take military action.
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330 To back this up, most projected scenarios for WWIII assume nasy werkings
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331 in the Middle East... Of course, there's also South America...
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332 Peace,
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333 zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzippy
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334 O\=<([V2V])>=/O
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335 Zzzzzzzzzziipppp: THAT EXPLAINED IT. YOU`RE A REAGAN HATER. YOU'RE THEREFORE
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336 A CARTER "LOVER".
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338 well, people it seems to me that we have 2 different conversations going on
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339 here, why don't we join the two
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340 together, and converse about mutated
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341 samoan potatoes that skate in the middle east.
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344 I skate Natas
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345 and I aint no
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346 punk, and I aint no
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347 geek. what I is,
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348 is a BEATLES freak!
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350 NMNMNMNMNMNMNMNMNMNMNM hippie MNMNMNMNMN
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351 SKATE DUDE: WHY DON'T YA JUST PUT ROLLERS TO YOUR COMMODE AND SKATE ON
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352 IT ON I-84, I-5, 205, OR 405!!!! TAKE YOUR PICK.
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353 `N
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354 WHO CARES?
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355 ()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()
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356 HEY MAN WHOS THE BEATLES FREAK?!
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358 WELL I BEEN DOIN SOME NEW TRICKS AND TRYIN TO PERFECT'M ALL WEEK AND I
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359 THINK I GOT'M PRETTY WELL DOWN.
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361 THE DUDES I KNOW WHO SKATE WITH ME ARE TRYIN'M TOO MAN. DUDES!! ANYBODY
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362 GOIN TO THE DAVID LEE ROTH CONCERT AT THE COLLISEUM TONIGHT! I HEAR ITS
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363 GONNA BE RAD! I MIGHT GO THERE AND TAKE MY BOARD AND SKATE AROUND THERE.
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365 ANYBODY OUT THERE LIKE SLIME BALL WHEELS? WELL I GOT'M. I ALSO HAVE INDY
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366 169 TRUCKS AND BONES BEARINGS. TO TOP IT OFF IV'E GOT A RAD Z BLANK PAINTED
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367 BLACK COVERED WITH STICKERS. I GOT GORILLA RIBS ON IT TOO DUDE.
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369 WELL JUST THOUGHT YOU MIGHT WANT TO GET TO KNOW MY BOARD BETTER.
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371 ........SEE.YA.DUDES.........
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372 I DONT SKATE FOR SATAN I SKATE FOR MYSELF.
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373 ()()()()()()()()()()()SKATER DUDE()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()
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375 WELL, I TELL YOU KIDDIES WHAT. MR. TRIPPLE FIVE IS BACK IN FULL FORCE
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376 WITH HIS NEW DUMP BASE, SO WE BE STEPPIN ON OUT HERE.
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377 YOU KIDDIES AINT NEVER GOING TO LEARN.
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378 WE DON'T FORGIVE.
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379 WE DON'T FORGET.
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380 WE ARE THE MAFIA.
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381 [A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[C[C[C[C[C[C
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384 TELL YOU WHAT
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387 [D[A[C[C[C[CTHATS RIGHT....
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388 WHO CARES?
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389 O\=<([V2V])>=/O
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391 Of course I don't consider Afganistan a stratigic country. However, one
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392 function iit is serving is to keep the Russian generals busy. It looks like
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393 Russia is going to be stuck in Afganistan until the last Afgan is dead.
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394 Another nice thing that this does is make them a nice crop of enemies in the
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395 Mideast, since it is hard for them to cosy up to the oil sheiks while their
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396 busy killing people in Afganistan. I see also that you could not come up
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397 with any important gains in the last 20 years, thus proving my point.
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398 As for Cuba being an important stratigic gain for them, that is not true.
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399 Yes, it is located close by, but we have not allowed them to station missiles
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400 on Cuba, which they don't need to do anyway, since their missile carrying subs
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401 can easily lick anything we have positiioned in silos. They cannot mass a large
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403 serious magnitude won't be able to be completly hidden. Even as a spy and
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404 radio intercepting point Cuba is not worth much, since they do the majority
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405 of that out of their embassy and U.N. mission in New York.
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406 About the only real use Cuba is to them is as a propaganda gain, but after all,
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407 fair is fair, our biggest propaganda gain is a divided Germany, one that
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408 they cannot equal.
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409 A few years ago we did indeed place an embargo on wheat. What good did
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410 this do? Nothing. All that happened was that they went elsewhere, and bought
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411 AMERICAN wheat from foreign middlemen. We may have not allowed wheat to be
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412 sold directly to Russia, but we were still producing it full blast, and it had
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413 to go somewhere. Mostly, it ended up in the same place that it had gone before
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414 the embargo.
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415 As far as Russia spending a tremendous gain of money on arms, this is a
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416 statement that has no meaning in the Russian economy. In the U.S., if the
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417 pentagon gains 10 million from the government it then goes to 'private'
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418 industry and spends it. If the pentagon, and the U.S. government does not
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419 have the money, then the arms are not bought.
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420 In Russia, if the army wants a new weapon, it gets it. It does not buy it
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421 from a company in the country, the Russian bureau of Industry dictates that
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422 a factory be built and the weapon be produced. The Russian army does not
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423 operate with money, it just decides what it needs and the government directs
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424 the country to give it to them.
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425 What I am trying to say is that if Russia gained control of the Mideast oil
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426 , then sold it to the U.S. then those dollars would be useless unless they
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427 were spent OUTSIDE the country. Russia's exported good, oil, would only have
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428 value to them if they recieved an import of some kind in return.
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433 YES ITS THE ONE AND ONLY....SKATER DUDE
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434 WELL DONT GOT MUCH TO SAY EXCEPT I DONT
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435 KNOW WHAT ALL THIS RUSSIA STUFF IS
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436 SUPOSED TO ACCOPLISH.
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445 LATER!
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448 Zippy - Hell, Reagan isn't competent enough to run his own life, let alone
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449 a country - of any size.
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450 As for anyone gaining control over the mid east (if that would ever really
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451 possible - look at Afganistan -) I doubt that it would be cause for WW-III.
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452 When the oil embargo of a few years ago hit it caused a lot of people to
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453 reevaluate their dependance on one suppier. As such the dependance has been
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454 reduced to some extent. It has resulted in the current glut in oil. Also,
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455 many of the heavy users have setup alternatives to oil if it comes to that
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456 most power companies can now switch to coal if they need to. And also keep
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457 in mind that only 30% of the worlds oil supply comes from the mid east.
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458 while that is a significant amount, its loss isn't irreplacable.
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459 Any way on to the other person. While *you* may not consider Russia invading
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460 Afganistan significant, I do. And Cuba very much *IS* an important stratigic
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461 gain for Russia. It gives them access to a base in the Western hemisphere
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462 that they didn't have before. And once Russia gets a country, it doesn't
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463 let it go like America and other western countries have. Poland tries to
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464 break away... tanks in the streets. Hungery tires to break away... tanks in
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465 the streets. Czechoslovakia...tanks in the streets. And they call *us*
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466 imperialistic war mongers....
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467 Cuba serves them as a base for many operations in the western hemisphere,
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468 including the continued stiring up of trouble in Central America. This
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469 would be VERY much more difficult for them without someone in the area
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470 that knows the ropes.
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471 And while we are speaking of Germany... Least we forget the near accomplished
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472 feat of the takeover of West Berlin by the Russians. Stratigically Berlin
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473 has no real value, but politically it is very hot. Tus the end result of
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474 a near war with Russia and the walling up of Berlin.
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475 To the other guy who made a comment about it being years to tool up for
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476 another form of fuel, that's not true. We already know what can be done
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477 when you have to. Germany did quite well during WWII with almost no oil
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478 imports and still damn near won the war. America too survived on much less
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479 domestic oil use than it was used to. A complete shutdown of all oil would
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480 be disastorous yet, but that isn't realistic since we still produce a little
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481 over 50%-60% of our own oil. That mixed with Alcohol and propane/methane
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482 which are easy conversions to make, costing less then $200 in small production
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483 quantities per conversion, would serve until a more stable energy form
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484 (my bet would be hydrogen) would come up to speed.
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485 An odd side effect of all that other countries would be hurt by the loss
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486 of food exports by the US, since land use would be diverted from food
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487 crops to fuel crops, thus reducing or possibly eliminating the excess
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488 food production and thus export.
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489 One final sarcastic note to the previous person, While it is true that
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490 America works normally on money, when the government wants weapons, it
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491 just takes more money out of our pockets to pay us with so they can get
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492 their weapons. I don't consider that to be all that much different than
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493 the Russian methode where they move people from making cars to making
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494 tanks. And they do pay them money in Russia to by the way.... It's just
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495 that their economy works a little different than ours does.
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496 Of course in America the people can always refuse to pay anymore money
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497 towards weapons, so what does the government do? It goes ahead and makes
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498 them anyway anad pays for it by printing up more money. That's how the
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499 Veitnam war got financed. Our economies may be differently based, but
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500 the real end result is the same.
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501 To the person who wanted to know where all this leads and why we do it -
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502 We do it because it helps us to present our opinions to other people
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503 who don't think like us and to see other opinions thus being able to
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504 see the world in a way that is different then our own little reality
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505 we like to wrap ourselves up in. It is a way to expand the conciousness
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506 beyond the limiting bariers of our own eyes and ears. To see the world
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507 as others see it. Sure we may not agree with the other person on everything,
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508 and maybe we do agree on other things (though what we believe and what
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509 we debate may be two different items, I myself like to argue a point
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510 simply to see how it feels. Maybe I'll switch over to a different belief
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511 after exploring it, or maybe it will reenforce my current belief on the
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512 subject, or maybe I'll be left undecided in which case I'll shelve the
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513 idea for later evaluation or just forget it if it isn't important.)
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514 As to where it all leads... world wise, nowhere. anything I rant and
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515 rave about here won't change the world as a whole at all. What it will
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516 do though is change how I see the world. My reality is made up of how
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517 I see the world. The world as a whole is made up of how everyone in the
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518 world see's their own realities. All of that is combined into one world
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519 reality of the human race. Which has nothing to do with the world reality
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520 of any other inhabitant of this planet say like the ant, which has it's
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521 own seperate individual and world realities.
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522 So what I am trying to do is to see outside myself, to see how others see
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523 the world, by so doing I can expand my own world to include a veiwpoint
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524 of others I share this world with and thereby (hopefully) be able to better
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525 understand this crazy world we live in. And then maybe I can have an impact
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526 on the world, at least my reality of it.
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527 A more crude way to look at it is that debate is exercise for the mind.
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528 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ fred ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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529 Mr. Interceptor: Sorry, but submarine launched missiles don't have the accuracy
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530 to be used against anything much smaller than a city. Thus they are useless
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531 against silos.
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532 By the way, the problem is that the *sub* doesn't know where it is, not that the
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533 missile guidance system is inaccurate. In fact one of the uncertainties
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534 in current strategic planning is that while we know very precisely where
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535 any given point in north & south America is with respect to any other
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536 (down to inches!) and the same goes for Africa/Europe/Asia, we don't know
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537 at all accurately where Europe etc are with respect to the Americas! The
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538 error is several orders of magnitude greater. This is all due to the fact
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539 that the only practical way to tie the two sets of survey grids together
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540 would be across the Bering Strait.... and both the US & USSR would rather
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541 live with the uncertainty in *their* calculations than remove it from the
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542 other side's.
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543 Also don't bet on there being no missiles in Cuba. The launch sites were
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544 finished. We stopped the missiles from being shipped... then. In the 23
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545 years since then any number of missiles could have been moved in. I find
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546 it unlikely that they would have done so, but they *could* have.
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547 ____12/09/86__________Leonard_JD 2446774.7114_________21:04:28_PST_________
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548 WHO CARES?
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549 Such a God-damned nerd! Screw off! No one wants to listen any more!
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550 No one cares!
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551 ???? how did you all know??? it seems to me that I dialed a know-it-all
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552 bored??? Since, you are all seemed to know everything in this world,
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553 how would you like to work in the NSC?? and probably make proposals
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554 on solving world problems, since some of you even insulted our own
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555 highest elected official, dismissing him as "couldn't even manage
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556 his own life" how did you know??? have you walk a mile in his shoes??
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557 TELL YOU WHAT.... unless we live united like "ants" as one of you
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558 mentioned (by the way, did you know how ants live?) we might as
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559 well ........ ... perish!!!!
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560 ````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
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561 I do work in the NSC.
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562 ````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
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563 Interesting, about the uncertainity factor, have you ever heard of
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564 Heisenberg?
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565 As far as secretly hiding missiles in Cuba, there are only two possible
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566 alternatives. First, there are no missiles in Cuba. Second, there are,
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567 and we are keeping quite about it because we don't want to stir up
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568 trouble. I don't accept the propisition that Cuba has hidden missiles on
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569 the island, our military spy system is far too good for that. At any rate
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570 , since most of that information is classified, it is stupid to debate
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571 detail work since any information we have access to is undoubtedly going to
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572 be ten years out of date. After all, do you realize that the Air Force
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573 still does not officially admit to using spy sattelites, if that commonly
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574 known information is still 'classified' imagine what is still secret.
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575 I would prefer to rip up Reagan, it is easier to do and provokes more
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576 outraged responses from the punks and conservative rag tag on this board.
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577 ````````````````````````Mr. Interceptor````````````````````````````````````
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578 What God-damned nerds! None of you listen to the others. None of you ev
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579 care about the others opinions. Its a pathetic & pretentious way to feel
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580 smart. Case in point: "I *AM* IN THE NSC" None of you are. Don't fake it.
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581 Dont rant and rave here about your poser dreams of importanse. Spare me
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582 your idle fantasies, make the world a better place.
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583 Stupid nerds...
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584 need something to do. instead of ranting tirades towar
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585 ds the punks and conservatives on this board. Why don't we all rag
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586 tag leftist and commie pinkos organized and support other leftist like
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587 Daniel Ellsberg, Abbie Hoffman, Jane Fonda, Amy Carter, Benedict
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588 Arnold,etc. etc. What have we got to lose except Golda Meier's panty
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589 hose|||||||||.....
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590 `MR INTERCEPTOR: "OFFICIALLY ADMIT" ? TO WHOM???? IT'S ALLRIGHT FOR
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591 YOU TO RIP UP YOUR PRESIDENT??? AND ADORE THE GREAT PEACEMAKER" MIKAIL
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592 JUST LIKE WHAT JONATHAN NICHOLAS DID??? BY THE WAY, NICHOLAS IS ALSO
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593 KNOWN AS THE PLAGIARIST OF THE OREGONIAN FISHWRAPPER.....
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594 ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
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595 I love it! just a scant 4 hours and already the religious rot is just
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596 getting started!
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597 To the Unsigned above, I guess you lost your sense of humor at an early
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598 age, of course I am not in the NSC. I also guess you don't care much about
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599 your own opinions, since you won't leave a handle to which we can refer.
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600 Also, it is alright for me to rip up president Reagan. I never voted
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601 for him in '80(and I also did not vote for Carter, either) or in '84.
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602 I have been totally opposed to 99% of the decisions he has made since he
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603 was in office, and knocking him now about this Iran thing is perfectly
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604 consistent whith my opinion. If I were in his shoes, I would not expect
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605 my opponents to turn hypocrite just because I was caught in the cookie
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606 jar. Further, just because I dislike Reagan, does not mean I dislike the
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607 American system. Reagan, just because he is president, does not
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608 necessairly represent the American people, or the American system of
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609 government. Espically now, with the revalations that are coming to light,
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610 Reagan has lost any claim he had to representing me. I thought being an
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611 American meant being honest, not lying to your friends. Yet this is just
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612 what Reagan has done to us, and to George Schultz, for example.
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613 Piss on him, and his incompetent administration, I pray that he is rendered
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614 helpless before he destroys everything of value
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615 ````````````````````````Mr. Interceptor````````````````````````````````````
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616 Zippy- don't be so depressing, at least congress feels SOME money pressure.
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