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F I D O N E W S -- Vol.11 No.39 (26-Sep-1994)
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| A newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: |
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| FidoNet BBS community | "FidoNews" BBS |
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| _ | +1-519-570-4176 |
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| /|oo \ | Small animal psychology and |
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| (_| /_) | Spiritual guidance Department: |
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| _`@/_ \ _ | Rev. Richard Visage 1:163/409 |
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| | (*) | \ )) | Editors: |
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| |__U__| / \// | Donald Tees 1:221/192 |
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| _//|| _\ / | Sylvia Maxwell 1:221/194 |
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| (_/(_|(____/ | Tim |
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| (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. |
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| | -- JOSEPH PULITZER |
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| Submission address: editors 1:1/23 |
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| MORE addresses: |
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| Don -- don@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca |
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| Sylvia -- max@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca |
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| Tim Pozar -- pozar@kumr.lns.com |
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| David Deitch -- 1:133/411.411, deitch@gisatl.fidonet.org |
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| submissions=> editor@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca |
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| For information, copyrights, article submissions, |
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| obtaining copies of fidonews or the internet gateway faq |
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| please refer to the end of this file. |
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Table of Contents
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1. Articles...................................................... 2
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ZCC selects new FidoNet International Coordinator........... 2
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Dear Reverend Visage,....................................... 2
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New Echo: DIVORCE........................................... 4
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Mike Fuchs Compromises Echolist Entry Password Security..... 5
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What Is StormNet?........................................... 8
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Regarding the re-engineering of net 6:700................... 11
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New government elected in Sweden 18. September 1994......... 12
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Drear Madam Emilia.......................................... 13
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Subject: File 1--New indecency rules proposed............... 13
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If you are a Rottweiler lover.............................. 16
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2. Fidonews Information.......................................... 17
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FidoNews 11-39 Page: 2 26 Sep 1994
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Articles
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ZCC selects new FidoNet International Coordinator
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FidoNet IC Elected to Office
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From: The Zone Coordinator Council (ZCC)
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Submitted by: Colin Wheat, Z3C (3:3/0)
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The Zone Coordinator Council (ZCC) has, by a majority and unanimous
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vote of 6:0, selected George Peace as the new FidoNet International
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Coordinator, with effect from the 1st September 1994. George was the
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immediate past Zone 1 Coordinator. POLICY4 wording requires that the
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IC be selected from amongst the ZC ranks, however this solution has
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been made possible by a POLICY interpretation supplied by the
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outgoing IC.
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The ZCC wishes to thank the outgoing IC, Matt Whelan, for his past
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contributions to the FidoNet network. The responsibility and required
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time commitment of the IC position are substancial and demanding,
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thanks for the commendable contribution Matt.
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There has been an unfortunate time delay between IC resignation and
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this selection. However with George accepting the position, we're
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looking forward to improving levels of Zonal cooperation and
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performance both within the ZCC and throughout the Network.
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Signed: Bob Satti (Z1C), Ron Dwight (Z2C), Colin Wheat (Z3C), Gamey
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Garcia (Z4C), Henk Wolsink (Z5C), and Honlin Lue (Z6C).
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Message text adapted by the Z3C, original text by Trev Roydhouse
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(former Z3C).
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Swamp Swine Magazine,
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Railroads for Christ Division,
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Shuckmagosh, Ohio
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Dear Reverend Visage,
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How fortuitous that you sojourned in Winnipeg which is several
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hundred kilometres south of my birthplace. Had I known that you
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were there, I would have sent my entire extended family to visit
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you. They would have enjoyed the respite from sitting around the
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curling rink, chewing moosehide. Although, in deference to their
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advancing years, they no longer chew the hide while it is on the
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moose.
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Settling your various accounts has become a matter of some
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sensitivity with the Snooze editors. They have begun to doubt the
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monetary value of several hundred tons of autographed copies of
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FidoNews 11-39 Page: 3 26 Sep 1994
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the book: "My Short Life in Politics, by Mark Skaff." I fear that
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we will have to supply them with several volumes, all signed in
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jello, of Bill Clinton's "Conquering Unarmed Third World
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Countries for Peace, Prosperity & Primary Votes."
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The appearance of our comatose but still twitching RC was
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indeed a pleasant surprise. The patterning sessions are
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going remarkably well and he has begun to explain in short,
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partial confessions, how it is possible for someone with
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more than one working neuron to be able to foul up the
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nodelist submission week after week. His ass/elbow
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coordination powers have not yet advanced to the stage where
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he is capable of distributing the snooze but I shall burn
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prayer incense at the First Church of Appliantology & Dayglo
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Black Velvet Paintings for his speedy recovery.
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I also fear that the ZC, Bob Satti (cue the heavenly choir
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of angels) has disappeared. He seems incapable of answering
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the simplest of netmail queries as to why he has left our
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region in the flippers of such a clearly incompetent
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nodelist clerk. Perhaps Satti, (cue the large bolts of
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lightning) recognizes in Rick a sort of kindred spirit since
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he was singularly incapable of curtailing the hydrophobic
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GMD weenies in his own net. I suggest you send a covey of
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wide ankled Gimli princesses to attend to Satti's emergence
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from narcosis.
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Speaking of culturally magic moments. I ventured to the
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Internationally Plowing match in Pembroke and witnessed the
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crowning of an apparition which they named "Queen of The
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Furrow." The possible duties of a queen of the furrow haunt
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me in my sleep, as you can well imagine. I shall eliminate
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the Glenfiditch IV drip in hopes that these visions abate.
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The daycare centre of our region, Net250, continues to
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supply a rich source of amusement. Apparently, in their rush
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to Balkanize the net they had bought several largish bird
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baths which they point upwards at the stars, hoping to
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receive echomail from the lightning-lashed and painfully
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close to solvent planetary beings. They remind me of those
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cargo cultists who were so amused by Ms. Labamba when we last
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visited Borneo. They speak of receiving mail in gigabytes which
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would be something of a notable accomplishment if only some of
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them could read. Barry Carter, having seen his ambitions to
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become Steve Winter's altar boy dashed, has become the conscience
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of their net, asking repeatedly why they keep appointing the
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ghost of Richard Nixon's moral heritage to positions of authority
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in their net.
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I must go Visage, your secretary has a malevolent gleam in her
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eyes and fistfuls of Tupperware catalog's in her hands. She is
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armed and dangerous, Visage and her ill-humour has nothing at all
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to do with the fact my bodyguard of trained Yaks are not yet
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housebroken.
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FidoNews 11-39 Page: 4 26 Sep 1994
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Regards,
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Doc Logger,
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Trout University,
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FlinFlon, Manitoba
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New Echo: DIVORCE
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by Ryan Shaw @ 1:152/67
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The DIVORCE Echo
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Greetings!
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I would like to introduce a new echo available to all current
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Fidonet nodes and nodes in "othernets" alike. Please take time
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to read through the basic echo guidelines below:
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To: All
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Re: DIVORCE Echo Guidelines
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Basic Disclaimer:
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The opinions expressed in this echo are those of the writers
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identified in the header of each message. No other responsibility
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is expressed or implied for the content of the messages in this echo.
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Rules to Follow:
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[1] As is customary in echomail, private messages are not allowed.
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[2] If you wish to post messages on this echo please try to keep
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your comments and ideas on a rational level. This will help
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to facilitate an open and free flowing dialogue.
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[3] Attempt to quote only relevant text, in order to make your
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messages more legible, and to lessen the burden on those
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who pay to move each byte posted in this conference.
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[4] Direct insults and/or personal attacks will not be tolerated.
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[5] The moderator reserves the right to banish anyone and/or
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any system from the distribution chain of this echo.
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[6] The moderator is the moderator and what he/she says is the
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last word. Any complaints about moderation will be taken
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as netmail and filed. Any moderation complaints posted in
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the echo are off-topic.
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[7] PGP clear-signed messages =ARE= allowed and encourgaged.
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PGP encrypted mail is =NOT= allowed.
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This echo provides a place for people going through a divorce
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or for people that are victims (usually the children) to air
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their feelings and thoughts in a comfortable environment.
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FidoNews 11-39 Page: 5 26 Sep 1994
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Ryan Shaw, Moderator of DIVORCE
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Fidonet 1:152/67
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Please contact me via direct netmail if you are interested in the echo.
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In your message, please include session-level and packet-level passwords
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as well as your choice of mail compression.
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Mike Fuchs Compromises Echolist Entry Password Security
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MIKE FUCHS COMPROMISES ECHOLIST ENTRY PASSWORD SECURITY
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By Alan Boritz - 1:2605/102@fidonet.org
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Never thought you would see a headline like that in Fidonews?
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I never expected it, either, until a few days ago, when Mike Fuchs
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(the Echolist Scribe, 1:1/201 aka 1:266/71), removed my Elist
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conference registration without asking.
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The conference was ZEC, and it was no longer listed for zone-1
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backbone distribution. Since it's former moderator, Dan Buda, had
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allowed it's Echolist registration to lapse, ZEC was no longer
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listed in the FIDONET.NA control file, and therefore unavailable to
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many FidoNet systems that use it to control automatic conference
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area requests. Moderators are required to register, and maintain
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registration of backbone conferences, or they risk being removed
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from distribution. In fact, you can't even get a conference
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distributed through those channels if it ISN'T registered.
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Just as SYSOP was to be removed from backbone distribution, the
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last time it's registration dropped out of the Echolist, ZEC was in
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the same boat.
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I submitted an entry, a whole month after the Echolist
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registration had lapsed, and registered ZEC, as you can see now in
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the September, 1994, edition of the Echolist. As a result of my
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registration, ZEC was restored to the FIDONET.NA control file, and
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systems would no longer have difficulty requesting the conference.
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Problem solved, right? Wrong. Eleven days after submitting my
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Echolist entry, this came through the ECHOLIST conference:
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The following reflects the current entry in The International
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EchoList database on 11-Sep-94 8:38:53 pm
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Tagname: ZEC Area Key: ZEC
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Title: Zone 1 Echomail Coordinator Echo Conference
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Description: A conference for Fidonet Sysops to discuss Echomail
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related subjects with the Z1EC. No flaming allowed.
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This is not a debate conference, it's a discussion and
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Q & A conference. An Administrative conference. The
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moderator reserves the right to ban individuals from
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the conference due to disruptive behaviour.
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Origin: 1:1/200
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Distribution: Backbone
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Gateways:
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FidoNews 11-39 Page: 6 26 Sep 1994
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# Nodes: 200 Volume: 100/Week Rule File:
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Flags: <Mod Perm Req>
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Moderators: Adrian Walker, 1:1/200@fidonet.org
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Seen by:
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Paths:
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Date added: 31-Aug-94
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Last changed: 11-Sep-94 Changed by: Mike Fuchs, 1:266/71
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--- ELISTUPD/2 2.2.4
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But, hey, didn't *I* just register a ZEC conference? Not
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according to Mike Fuchs:
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Tue 13 Sep 94 9:01p
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By: Mike Fuchs, The Dog's Breakfast (1:266/71)
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To: Alan Boritz
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Re: Tag: ZEC was Updated.
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St: Pvt Rcvd
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CC: Adrian Walker
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In a message of <Sep 13, 94>, Alan Boritz (1:2605/102@fidonet.org)
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wrote:
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AB>Hey, what's going on here, Mike? Are you taking it upon
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AB>yourself to censor Echolist entries? Why did you remove my
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AB>echolist entry?
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The EchoList entry in question purports itself to be a Zone 1
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Backbone conference, making it subject to acceptance or rejection of
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the Zone 1 EchoMail Coordinator. The new Zone 1 EchoMail
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coordinator (per the Zone 1 Nodelist) at 1:1/200 identified the
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entry to be invalid and provided instructions for correcting it. If
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you have a question regarding Backbone conference entries, please
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contact the coordinator of that Backbone.
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--
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Did you know that the "zec" accepts or rejects "backbone"
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entries? Apparently no one else knows that, either, except, perhaps
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Mike Fuchs. Adrian Walker's recent description of the "zec's"
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duties don't even mention the word "backbone" ONCE.
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We're told in several supporting documents that the Echolist
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Scribe is not an "official" part of the FidoNet echomail
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distribution system. Mike Fuchs tells us, in the current moderator
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update instructions (ELTECREF.TXT, in archive ELMOD933.LZH), that:
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"2. ECHOMAIL DISTRIBUTION BACKBONES
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A clarification is needed on the subject of EchoMail
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backbones and backbone conferences. The EchoList is not
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an official publication of any of the backbones, zones,
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networks or FidoNet. It is an open, free directory of
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information on ANY EchoMail conference, anywhere.
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FidoNews 11-39 Page: 7 26 Sep 1994
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"However, a couple of distribution backbones have
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implemented a requirement (which I heartily endorse) that
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any conference they carry must have a Moderator and
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description publicly identified. The Zone 1 EchoMail
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Coordinator (among others) has decided to use the EchoList
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as a convenient repository for official information on
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backbone conferences. So the only exception to the
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EchoList's voluntary status is that dictated by the
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distribution backbone you may choose to use. If you are
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using one of these backbones you must list, at a minimum,
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the Tag name, the Title, and the Moderators name and node
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number.
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"I have no direct involvement in the distribution or
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administration of EchoMail itself. Any rules governing
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your conference need to be obtained from your network
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and/or distribution backbone."
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Mr. Fuchs also tells us that the Echolist is strictly informal
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(from the header of the current Echolist):
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"The EchoList is an informal, international listing of
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EchoMail Conferences as described and submitted by each
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conference's moderator."
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In addition, Mr. Fuchs tells us that the Echolist will allow
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multiple entries for conferences with the same tag name:'
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"In addition to the Tag name, the EchoList implements a
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derived Key field for each conference. You can ignore the
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existence of this internal Key in all but the most unusual
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situations. It is used to provide a unique, DOS file name
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compatible abbreviation of the Tag, and to allow multiple
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conferences with the same Tag (perhaps in different
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networks) to maintain independent EchoList entries."
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So where did this recent requirement for "acceptance or
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rejection" by the "zec" come from? From Mr. Fuchs' imagination,
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apparently. Perhaps a more accurate description of Mr. Fuchs'
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off-the-cuff excuse could be, "'cause I felt like it." Since the
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Echolist allows multiple entries with the same tag name, there was
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no technical reason why Adrian Walker could not register his own
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entry, rather than plagiarize MY entry. It's especially
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significant, since no one bothered to ASK me, before I could offer
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the password to the next moderator of the conference.
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It's really disappointing that what we've come to regard as a
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great collective reference work, and an example to other networks of
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a clever working tool, is nothing but the play-toy of a spoiled
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brat. There's no need to file policy complaints, or
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beg/plead/threaten people to remove or change a conference's
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moderator or backbone distribution standard, just find out Mr.
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Fuchs' price to compromise a password and snip out an Elist entry.
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Was Mike Fuchs dishonest in his intent? It sure looks that
|
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|
FidoNews 11-39 Page: 8 26 Sep 1994
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|
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|
way. Do we need ANOTHER conference registry, beyond manipulation by
|
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control-freaks? Absolutely. Will YOUR Echolist entry be snipped
|
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out if you anger the "backbone boys?" Only the Shadow knows...
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-#-
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******* **** *
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* * * *
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******* ***** **** **** ***** * * * **** *****
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* * * * **** * * * * * * ** *
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******* * **** * * * * * * **** **** *
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What Is StormNet?
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|
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StormNet is an alternative network for use with FidoNet
|
|||
|
compatible software. We pass messages back and forth both in netmail
|
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and in echomail conferences. In StormNet, each node is welcomed and
|
|||
|
assisted in many ways by other StormNet members. We have active
|
|||
|
echomail areas and a growing file echo selection. Our echomail
|
|||
|
traffic is growing every day, and are now pulling more mail ever than
|
|||
|
before. StormNet has a friendlier atmosphere than can be found in
|
|||
|
many other networks.
|
|||
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|
|||
|
StormNet has been in existence for over two years, and in that
|
|||
|
time, has grown significantly. Our membership has changed from an
|
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inexperienced group of local nodes to a more mature group of people
|
|||
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from all over the United States, Canada, Europe, and Asia.
|
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Currently, we have over 250 nodes in StormNet, and are expanding
|
|||
|
every week!
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
* Why is StormNet here?
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|||
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|
|||
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StormNet was started for a few reasons. When we created it, we
|
|||
|
wanted to serve teens, adults, and others worldwide with a quality
|
|||
|
alternative network that is relatively cheap to pull in. Most of our
|
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|
high speed transfers take less than a minute. Although we prefer it,
|
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|
you don't have to poll every day, we are flexible and will allow you
|
|||
|
to poll whenever you like. We want to serve you with the finest
|
|||
|
quality echomail and files for you and your users. We are
|
|||
|
considerably smaller than FidoNet, and therefore do not have the
|
|||
|
overflow of mail/files often seen in its conferences. The average
|
|||
|
cost per month for one who pulls StormNet and polls daily is around
|
|||
|
$6.00-7.00 within the US.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
* What are the rules like?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
StormNet? Rules? You've got to be kidding me. Well, it's not
|
|||
|
like we don't have any rules; all of the rules in our policy
|
|||
|
statement basically stem from one basic principle - "Be nice and use
|
|||
|
common sense." The policy's specifics were written to outline some
|
|||
|
problems which may potentially arise when people aren't nice and
|
|||
|
FidoNews 11-39 Page: 9 26 Sep 1994
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
don't use common sense.
|
|||
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|
|||
|
The SNAC (StormNet Advisory Council) helps to ensure the smooth
|
|||
|
running of StormNet affairs. StormNet does not discriminate because
|
|||
|
of age, sex, national origin, religion, sexual orientation, beliefs,
|
|||
|
taste in food, opinion on world politics, or favorite color. We
|
|||
|
welcome anyone who is interested in joining a fun network to try out
|
|||
|
StormNet. We also don't allow "bashing", spindling or other forms of
|
|||
|
mutilation of groups in our newsletters, or any of our echos
|
|||
|
(excluding WAR_ZONE), and other parts of our network.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
* What are the echos like?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
We have a variety of conferences to suit most needs. If you are
|
|||
|
a user of StormNet, or a node, you can request an echo if you feel it
|
|||
|
would be active. We have echos on many subjects, A to Z (as we say
|
|||
|
SN_A to SN_Z). We have a talented staff of moderators and
|
|||
|
co-moderators, and combined with the efforts of our international
|
|||
|
echomail coordinator, keep the network running smoothly.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
* Internet... Yes, Internet!
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
StormNet is now registered in the domain listings as
|
|||
|
"storm.net". All StormNet nodes can use our UUCP host to send
|
|||
|
messages anywhere on Internet at no additional cost to you.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
* Vanity Internet addresses
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
The StormNet International Internet Coordinator has just recently
|
|||
|
allowed a "vanity" name that you can apply for once you join
|
|||
|
StormNet. This can be just about anything, and saves typing. For
|
|||
|
example, "John.Doe@johnsbbs.storm.net" is alot easier to remember
|
|||
|
than "John.Doe@f104.n192.usa.storm.net."
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
* Support
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
StormNet has support sites for different types of software. We
|
|||
|
currently have technical support nodes/echos for BinkleyTerm, EzyCom,
|
|||
|
Maximus, Proboard, RemoteAccess, Storm Watch Software, and T.A.G..
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
New technical support nodes for other software are permitted and
|
|||
|
encouraged. When you apply for technical support, you will get a
|
|||
|
flag in the nodelist designating you as a support site. You also get
|
|||
|
your name added to the list of technical support nodes at the bottom
|
|||
|
of the nodelist. And finally, you have the option to add file and
|
|||
|
message echos software you support.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
* What we're looking for
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
StormNet is looking for nodes who want to pull in high quality
|
|||
|
echomail at a relatively cheap price. Ones who think they would like
|
|||
|
StormNet to be on their BBSes or computers.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
We also are looking for new zones to create all the time.
|
|||
|
StormNet is not just limited to North America, other continents and
|
|||
|
FidoNews 11-39 Page: 10 26 Sep 1994
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
countries are already members, but we would like more. We'd like to
|
|||
|
expand StormNet worldwide, and we think that everyone would benefit
|
|||
|
from this and it would strengthen relations and understanding between
|
|||
|
other nations. It already has. With European and Asian nodes,
|
|||
|
StormNet has a very unique atmosphere where you will regularly chat
|
|||
|
with people not in the same country, or continent as you. We are
|
|||
|
willing to work with you to install a new zone in/on your
|
|||
|
country/continent.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
* Why should I consider StormNet?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
We respect each and every StormNet member and his/her rights.
|
|||
|
We offer our services to all. We have a great network setup. We
|
|||
|
want all to join and have a good time in the network that we have
|
|||
|
created. We're proud of our network. We offer a unique and quaint
|
|||
|
atmosphere not found on any other network. We guarantee it.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
If you have any questions, comments, or problems, feel free to
|
|||
|
contact any of the nodes listed below. We'd be glad to help you.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
Alan Jurison StormNet Int'l EchoMail Coordinator
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
You may F'req or download "STORMNET" (or STORMNET.ARJ) from these
|
|||
|
nodes:
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
BBS : Ham-Net BBS
|
|||
|
Position : StormNet Int'l HQ / IEC / Int'l ZoneGate / Mid Atlantic RC
|
|||
|
SysOp : Alan Jurison
|
|||
|
Location : Manlius, New York, USA
|
|||
|
Data Phone : 1-315-682-1824
|
|||
|
Voice Phone: 1-315-682-9411 (14:00-23:00 *EST/EDT*)
|
|||
|
FidoNet : (1:260/375)
|
|||
|
StormNet : (181:181/1)
|
|||
|
InterNet : Alan.Jurison@iec.storm.net
|
|||
|
Speed(s) : 14,400 v32b -- 21,600 HST/Terbo - 28,800 VFC/V34
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
BBS : *A*R*T*H*U*R* BBS
|
|||
|
Position : StormNet Nodelist Coordinator / Detroit Area NC
|
|||
|
SysOp : Victor Capton
|
|||
|
Location : Troy, Michigan, USA
|
|||
|
Data Phone : 1-810-740-8764
|
|||
|
FidoNet : (1:120/120)
|
|||
|
StormNet : (181:181/2)
|
|||
|
InterNet : Victor.Capton@inc.storm.net
|
|||
|
Speed(s) : 14,400 v32b -- 21,600 HST/Terbo - 28,800 VFC/V34
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
BBS : ASA CompuHelp
|
|||
|
Positions : StormNet United States ZC / Ohio Valley RC
|
|||
|
SysOp : Jeff Binkley
|
|||
|
Location : Gahana, Ohio, USA
|
|||
|
Data Phone : 1-614-476-3723
|
|||
|
FidoNet : (1:226/600)
|
|||
|
StormNet : (181:181/0)
|
|||
|
InterNet : Jeff.Binkley@zc.usa.storm.net
|
|||
|
Speed(s) : 14,400 v32b -- 14,400 HST
|
|||
|
FidoNews 11-39 Page: 11 26 Sep 1994
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
BBS : New Era BBS
|
|||
|
Positions : StormNet Canada ZC
|
|||
|
SysOp : Mauro Incrocci
|
|||
|
Location : Kelowna, British Coloumbia, Canada
|
|||
|
Data Phone : 1-604-762-6239
|
|||
|
FidoNet : (1:353/210)
|
|||
|
StormNet : (182:182/0)
|
|||
|
InterNet : Mauro.Incrocci@zc.can.storm.net
|
|||
|
Speed(s) : 14,400 v32b -- 28,800 VFC
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
BBS : The Rising Sun BBS
|
|||
|
Positions : StormNet Europe ZC / North Central RC
|
|||
|
SysOp : Jens Fendler
|
|||
|
Location : Destedt, Germany
|
|||
|
Data Phone : +49-5306-7824
|
|||
|
FidoNet : (2:241/510)
|
|||
|
StormNet : (183:183/0)
|
|||
|
InterNet : Jens Fendler@zc.eur.storm.net
|
|||
|
Speed(s) : 14,400.v32b -- 28,800 VFC
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
BBS : Data Matrix
|
|||
|
Positions : StormNet Asia ZC / Malaysia RC
|
|||
|
SysOp : Azuan Yazdani
|
|||
|
Location : Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
|
|||
|
Data Phone : +60-3-2735826
|
|||
|
FidoNet : (6:609/79)
|
|||
|
StormNet : (184:184/0)
|
|||
|
InterNet : Azuan Yazdani@zc.asia.storm.net
|
|||
|
Speed(s) : 14,400.v32b
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
Thank you for your time! We hope to see you soon!
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
Regarding the re-engineering of net 6:700
|
|||
|
By:
|
|||
|
Nils Hammar, 2:205/601@fidonet
|
|||
|
nils@bod.fdata.se
|
|||
|
4341@msg.abc.se
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
Regarding the "Re-engineering of Net 700", I can say that it seems like
|
|||
|
the RC have appointed a NC that isn't supported by the nodes in
|
|||
|
the net in question. This isn't a good situation, and from what
|
|||
|
I can tell, the RC is a servant, not a master when assigning a
|
|||
|
new NC. If the RC is assigning a NC that isn't accepted by the
|
|||
|
majority in the network, then the RC has failed and should
|
|||
|
either resign as RC or make a new assignment in cooperation with
|
|||
|
the nodes in the net in question.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
However, there has to be an easier way to solve this than via
|
|||
|
FidoNews, which only annoys the readers.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
Since this article from "Chris Leung (6:700/703 aka 6:700/0)"
|
|||
|
seems to be written by the recently appointed NC, I think that
|
|||
|
FidoNews 11-39 Page: 12 26 Sep 1994
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
it is he that has the most problem, and tries to gain power, but
|
|||
|
since I can't review all nodes in that net and check their
|
|||
|
opinion, I am unable to tell who is right and who is wrong.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
What I think is the most important thing with the nodelist isn't
|
|||
|
if all nodes are geographically correct, but that the entries
|
|||
|
reflects the right phone number connected to right sysop and
|
|||
|
node address, so that I wouldn't wake up Aunt Clara several
|
|||
|
times at ZMH for that zone during a week or two...
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
THE NODELIST IS OUR MAP TO THE REALITY - TRY TO KEEP IT UP TO DATE!
|
|||
|
(Don't try to change the reality to reflect the nodelist - it
|
|||
|
doesn't work...)
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
New government elected in Sweden 18. September 1994
|
|||
|
By:
|
|||
|
Nils Hammar, 2:205/601@fidonet
|
|||
|
nils@bod.fdata.se
|
|||
|
4341@msg.abc.se
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
What about this subject in Fidonews then? What has the election
|
|||
|
of a new government in Sweden to do with our hobby? (I hope that
|
|||
|
most of us has this as a hobby)
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
Continue to read, and you will probably get some visions at least!
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
The special thing with this election was that this was the first
|
|||
|
time that internet was used to spread information about the
|
|||
|
result of the election during the counting of votes! There was
|
|||
|
two methods used, one where all newspapers in Sweden got the
|
|||
|
results via email (except one newspaper that got it via fax), and
|
|||
|
the other method was that the results could be picked up by
|
|||
|
anybody who had a computer running Mosaic connected to the
|
|||
|
internet. This service wasn't restricted to sites in Sweden, and
|
|||
|
the information is still possible to access (as far as I know).
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
I was checking the results myself during the election with a
|
|||
|
workstation running Mosaic, and it was really interesting to see
|
|||
|
how the numbers changed depending on which part of the country I
|
|||
|
was examining. It was even possible to see the raw data, and
|
|||
|
check exactly how many votes that was given in each district and
|
|||
|
sub-district. The results was also presented graphically, both
|
|||
|
in a bar-diagram and in a pie-diagram.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
Information about the election was available both in Swedish and
|
|||
|
in English at the WWW-server.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
At the peak the WWW-server received one call per second, which
|
|||
|
isn't bad at all! Anybody that want to check some more about
|
|||
|
this can start Mosaic on their workstation or PC and open the
|
|||
|
URL "http://www.swip.net/val94". Here is also some information
|
|||
|
about the swedish governmental system.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
FidoNews 11-39 Page: 13 26 Sep 1994
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
This is written with the reservation that this WWW-server still
|
|||
|
runs this information.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
I am only waiting for the next country to use this kind of
|
|||
|
service in their elections!
|
|||
|
I think that Denmark isn't going to be the next country, since
|
|||
|
they had their election this Wednesday. (21. September 1994.)
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
Anybody that knows something about any other country using a
|
|||
|
similar method could as well write an article here in FidoNews!
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
Drear Madam Emilia
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
140 cat
|
|||
|
cat
|
|||
|
120 cat
|
|||
|
cat
|
|||
|
100 cat
|
|||
|
dog cat
|
|||
|
80 dog cat
|
|||
|
dog cat bear
|
|||
|
60 dog cat bear
|
|||
|
dog cat bear
|
|||
|
40 dog cat bear
|
|||
|
dog cat bear
|
|||
|
20 dog cat bear
|
|||
|
dog cat bear armadillo
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
Q: What are the most popular animals in FidoNet
|
|||
|
according to frequency of use in BBS names ?
|
|||
|
[in decimal numbers]
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
reprinted from:
|
|||
|
Computer underground Digest Wed Sep 8, 1994 Volume 6 : Issue 79
|
|||
|
ISSN 1004-042X
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 11:52:49 -0400 (EDT)
|
|||
|
From: Mike Godwin <mnemonic@EFF.ORG>
|
|||
|
Subject: File 1--New indecency rules proposed
|
|||
|
for all online services (fwd)
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
(MODERATORS' NOTE: In CuD 6.76 we ran a post on the Exon Amendment to
|
|||
|
S 1822. S.AMDT.2404, sponsored by Senator J. James Exon (D. Neb.),
|
|||
|
raised concerns that proposed federal restrictions on "indecency"
|
|||
|
could adversely affect computer communications by placing the onus of
|
|||
|
liability on the carrier. Contrary to some reports, the EFF does not
|
|||
|
approve of the amendment. For those wishing further information, the
|
|||
|
full Bill is: S. 1822 (Sponsored by Sen. Ernest F. Hollings, D., S.
|
|||
|
Car.). Official Title: A BILL TO FOSTER THE FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OF THE
|
|||
|
FidoNews 11-39 Page: 14 26 Sep 1994
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
NATION'S TELECOMMUNICATIONS INFRASTRUCTURE AND PROTECTION OF THE
|
|||
|
PUBLIC INTEREST, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. At last report, the Bill
|
|||
|
(with the amendment) has been referred to the Senate Committee on
|
|||
|
Commerce (on 26 July). We're not aware of subsequent action taken
|
|||
|
since. The following fowarded post clarifies the amendment)).
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
From farber@eff.org Thu Sep 1 10:47:31 1994
|
|||
|
Posted-Date--Thu, 1 Sep 1994 09:29:09 -0400
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
Date--Thu, 25 Aug 1994 14:32:40 -0600
|
|||
|
From--djw@eff.org (Daniel J. Weitzner)
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
I. Overview
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
During the final hours before the Senate telecommunications
|
|||
|
bill (S.1822) was marked-up by the Senate Commerce Committee, a
|
|||
|
provision was added which would expand the current FCC regulation on
|
|||
|
obscene and indecent audiotext (900 number) services to virtually all
|
|||
|
electronic information services, including commercial online service
|
|||
|
providers, the Internet, and BBS operators. This proposal, introduced
|
|||
|
by Senator Exon, would require all information service providers and
|
|||
|
all other electronic communication service providers, to take steps to
|
|||
|
assure that minors do not have access to obscene or indecent material
|
|||
|
through the services offered by the service provider.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
Placing the onus, and criminal liability, on the carrier, as
|
|||
|
opposed to the originator of the content, threatens to limit the free
|
|||
|
flow of all kinds of information in the online world. If carriers are
|
|||
|
operating under the threat of criminal liability for all of the
|
|||
|
content on their services, they will be forced to pre-screen all
|
|||
|
messages and limit both the privacy and free expression of the users
|
|||
|
of these services. Senator Exon's amendment raises fundamental
|
|||
|
questions about the locus on liability for harm done from content in
|
|||
|
new digital communications media. These questions must be discussed
|
|||
|
in a way that assures the free flow of information and holds content
|
|||
|
originators responsible for their actions.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
II. Summary of Exon Amendment
|
|||
|
|
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The Exon amendment which is now part of S.1822, expands section
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of the Communications Act to cover anyone who "makes, transmits, or
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otherwise makes available" obscene or indecent communication. It
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makes no distinction between those entities which transmit the
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communications from those which create, process, or use the
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communication. This section of the Communications Act was originally
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intended to criminalize harassment accomplished over interstate
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telephone lines, and to require telephone companies that offer
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indecent 900 number services to prevent minors from having access to
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such services. The 900 number portions are known as the Helms
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Amendments, having been championed by Senator Jesse Helms. These
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sections have been the subject of extension constitutional litigation.
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If enacted into law, these amendments would require that anyone
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who "makes, transmits, or otherwise makes available" indecent
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communication take prescribed steps to assure that minors are
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prevented from having access to these communications. In the case of
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900 numbers, acceptable procedures include written verification of a
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subscriber's age, payment by credit card, or use of a scrambling
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device given to the subscriber after having verified his or her age.
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Failure to do so would result in up to a $100,000 fine or up to two
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years imprisonment.
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III. Carrier Liability and Threats to the Free Flow of Information
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These provisions raise serious First Amendment concerns. (Note
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that we use the term 'carrier' here to refer to a wide range of
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information and communication service providers. This does not
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suggest that these entities are, or should be, common carriers in the
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traditional sense of the term.)
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Overbroad carrier liability forces carriers to stifle the free
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flow of information on their systems and to act as private censors
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If carriers are responsible for the content of all information
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and communication on their systems, then they will be forced to
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attempt to screen all content before it is allowed to enter the
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system. In many cases, this would be simply impossible. But even
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where it is possible, such pre-screening can severely limit the
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diversity and free flow of information in the online world. To be
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sure, some system operators will want to offer services that
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pre-screen content. However, if all systems were forced to do so, the
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usefulness of digital media as communication and information
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dissemination systems would be drastically limited. Where possible,
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we must avoid legal structures which force those who merely carry
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messages to screen their content.
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Carriers are often legally prohibited from screening messages
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In fact, under the Electronic Communications Privacy Act of
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1986, electronic communication service providers are generally
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prohibited from examining the contents of messages or information
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carrier from one subscriber to another.
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Extension of the 900 number rules to all electronic information
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services may be unconstitutional
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The regulation of indecent 900 number programming was only
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accomplished after nearly a decade of constitutional litigation, with
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rules being overturned by the Supreme Court. The regulations were
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finally found constitutional only after being substantially narrowed
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to meet First Amendment scrutiny. Since the access methods offered by
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online service providers are significantly different than simple
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telephone access to 900 services, we doubt that the same
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constitutional justifications would support the newly expanded rules.
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This issue requires considerable study and analysis.
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Content creators, or those who represent the content as their
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own, should be responsible for liability arising out of the content
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In sum, it should be content originators, not carriers, who are
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responsible for their content. Any other approach will stifle the
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free flow of information in the new digital media.
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IV. Next Steps
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Having only just received the language offered by Senator Exon,
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EFF still needs to do further analysis, and consult with others in the
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online community. We also hope to speak with Senator Exon's staff to
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understand their intent. Another important hearing will be held on
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S.1822 in mid-September by the Senate Judiciary Committee. By that
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time, we hope to have this issue resolved. While we agree that these
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carrier liability problems are in need of Congressional consideration,
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we do not believe that the time is ripe to act. Before any action is
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taken, hearings must be held and careful evaluation of all the issues,
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not just indecency, must be undertaken.
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Daniel J. Weitzner, Deputy Policy Director, Electronic Frontier Foundation,
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1001 G St. NW Suite 950 East, Washington, DC 20001 +1 202-347-5400(v)
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If you are a sysop contact one of the following people for a feed to
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the echo. You will have to make your own arrangements with the system
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operator as to whether you will be polling them for mail or they will
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be polling you for mail.
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If you are not a sysop and are interested, ask your sysop to contact
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one of the following and pick it up for you.
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Jacob Eagle Eyes, 1:3603/263
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Sandeleh Francis, 1:205/31
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Michael Stroh, 1:363/603
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Kathleen Weaver, 1:124/4220
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Are there any others willing to provide a feed? Let me know and I'll
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"the pulse of the cursor is the heartbeat of fidonet"...
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