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SUBJECT: MORE INTERVIEW'S OF BILL ENGLISH FILE: UFO3294
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70/75: Bill English Interview
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Name: Ken Geest #1 @3466
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Date: Tue Jul 10 19:00:45 1990
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From: The Dark Side (Missouri)
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The post following this one is an interview conducted with Bill English on
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July 8, 1990. Myself, Mary Geest, Barb Becker and Greg Petroski were all
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present and Bill English.
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If you have any questions you would like to ask Bill English, you may send
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him E-mail at 171@3466
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Ken Geest 1@3466
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WWIVnet Origin "The Darkside" St. Louis, Mo. 314-298-7486
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Read:(1-75,^70),? :
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71/75: UFORN--Bill English Interview July 8, 1990
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Name: Ken Geest #1 @3466
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Date: Tue Jul 10 19:01:29 1990
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From: The Dark Side (Missouri)
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UFORN Interview with Bill English July 8,1990
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Participants:
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Bill English
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Ken Geest
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Barb Becker
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Greg Petroski
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Geest: Good evening, We would like to welcome William (Bill) S. English
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tonight.
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English: Thank you Ken, I am honored...
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Geest: thanks....ok Bill, first up, when did you first become interested
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in UFO's?
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English: My first involvement with UFOs came as a direct result of my
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employment as a civilian Data Analyst for the United States
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Department of Defence at RAF Chicksands, in England. I was
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located at the Air Force Security Services Command listening
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station there...
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Geest: What did you do at the RAF position?
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English: Essentially it was my job to analyse data that was taken from
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Soviet Block Nations Broadcasts and communications via the
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"Big Ear" that was located at Chicksands. When analising the
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data after it was translated I was to gage it's probibility
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and assign to it a factor or percentage in order to help
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ascertain what the information may possibly pertain to..
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Geest: At what point did UFO's come into the picture?
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English: Well, where to begin....Hmmmm...It all began during the later
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part of June of 1977. I reported to work as I normally did
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and picked up my assignments sheet for the day. When I read
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the assignments sheet there was only one job listed. I was to
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analyse documents that had been brought in by Diplomatic Courier.
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This didn't seem to be to much out of order since I had done this
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type of thing before. After getting my morning cup of coffee and
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picking on the enlisted men I went to my work station and rang the
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duty officer on the intercom to inform him that I was ready to
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receive the documents in question. Security messures at that time
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required that the DO bring all materials for analysis and that
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the Analyst sign for them directly. The D.O would then lock my
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cubicle door until I informed him that I was finished or need a
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break, at which time he would come in and take pocession of the
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documents and sign my log stating that he had them.. This occassion
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he brought in a diplomatic pouch that was sealed and locked and
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broke the seal and unlocked the pouch. This WAS unusual. In most
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cases the pouches or material were already removed from whatever they
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were delivered in and placed in security jackets. He then presented
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the documents to me and I signed for them and he locked the door
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and I started reading.
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Geest: Do you have any idea why the messanger broke the seal on the pouch?
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English: He had no choice. The seal had to be broken in order to open the
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pouch...
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Geest: What did you read/ and or see?
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English: The pouch contained what appeared to be a military Tech manual at
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first glance, but when he handed it to me I saw that the title
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on it was "Grudge/Blue Book Report #13", and it contained several
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ultra top secret clearance codes on the cover. At the time I had
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no idea what it was I was reading until I got about four or five
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pages into it. I then discovered that what I had was what appeared
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to be a complete Technical and Medical investigation report
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concerning UFOs and Alien Beings...
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Geest: Where was the pouch suppose to go to...ie was it to go to the
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Pentagon etc...
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English: I have no idea where it was supposed to go after I read and
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analysed it. Once we did our job we put it back into the hands
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of the D.O. and that was the last time we saw the documents that
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we worked on...It could have gone anywhere after I had it....
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Becker: Why would you have been given this report?
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English: At the time I assumed that it was to do the job that I was
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employed to do. Analyse the documents that were given to me.
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I asumed that at the time also they wanted someone with a pretty
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good track record to take a look at it. The Desposition form with
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the instructions said to analyse the document and it's various
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sections and assign a probibility rating to it based on the
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material that it contained..
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Geest: A Probibility of what, please forgive we are not military folks...
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English: Well, let me explain it a little so that maybe it will be a
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little clearer than mud <grin> Essentially I was to evaluate the
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material and information. Once I did this I was then to basicly
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use my intuition and decide whether or not the information was true
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or not. We usually had a basic criteria that we followed and that
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criteria changed almost daily depending upon the information and
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data that was available to us as as analyst. In short we had to
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decide if it was true or if it was horse sh*t and then give what
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we considered to be a percentage rating of this fact or fiction...
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Petroski: Could you give us a simple example of the criteria that you went
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by?
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English: Essentialy the basic criteria could consist of any number of
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things...Example...We have received a transmission stating
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that Commrade Smuck was in Petrograd on such and such a date....
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Based on the fact that two days previous we received a transmission
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stating that Smuck's secretary had completed his travel
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arrangements we then put two and two together and assign a
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probibilty rating of 95% to the fact that Smuck is indeed in
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Petrograd...Also there was the fact that in many cases we went
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on gut feelings based on our own general knowedge and skills in
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comparative data analysis. In short we would compare one fact
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as presented in a document against another fact that was presented
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in a document. This in fact is how I analysed the Grudge/Blue
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Book Report since I had no previous knowledge concerning UFOs
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prior to encounter this document.
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Geest: What did you think when you first read the UFO material?
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English: At the time I didn't know what to think.
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Geest: Moving forward, after your military service, when did you become
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interested in investigating UFO's....
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English: You must remember that by this time I was already a civilian. My
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then wife was employed by the Department of Defence Schools System
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and after my discharge from the service in 1974 I stayed with her
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in Germany where we had first met and then she took a transfer to
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England that had been offered to her, at RAF Chicksands. I was
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employed about a month after our arrival when I met a former
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Commanding officer that I had served with in Vietnam. By this time
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he was employed by The Department of Defense in the Security
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services Command...
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Geest: How widespread is the knowldege of Project Grudge, or is there any
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way to know?
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English: At the time I read the documents, from looking at the traffic log
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which is located on the cover of the book it looked like several
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foriegn governments as well as the United States were very much
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aware of the contents of the Book. The last transmital record
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showed that it had come from the American Embassy in Moscow..As
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of this moment I cannot begin to guess just how wide spread the
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knowledge is...
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Geest: could you comment on the names of the various Gouvernments that
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were on the traffic log?
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English: There were several, the most notable were Canada, England, Soviet
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Union, East Germany, West Germany, and I think a couple of the Soviet
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Satilite Nations such as Poland, and Yugoslavia....
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Becker: I have to ask what probility did you assign the report?
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English: Based on the material that was in the book, to include
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photographs of what appeared to be Alien bodies, autopsy reports,
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Technical reports on several recovered craft, and most particularly
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a report that involved me directly while serving in Vietnam, I
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assigned the Report a probibility rating of approximately 98.9999 percent...
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Geest: ok...Let's move ahead a few years. In the last 2-5 years their has
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been a series of "reports" from various sources indicating the US
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Government is involved in a coverup of UFO's. Many of these reports
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have come from William Moore, John Lear, Bill Cooper, and as of
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late one Robert Lazer. Most of these "statements" seem to strech the
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imagination of most UFOlogists. Could you comment on the Moore
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material?
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English: First of all, I would like to state for the record that my claims
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are right up there with all of the rest of them as far as
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stretching the imagination. However, I will be the first to
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acknowledge the fact that the material that I viewed could well
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have been fraudulent information that I was supposed to see for
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whatever reason. I do not present any of this material as the
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god awful truth, I only relate what I saw and what has happened
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to me since the viewing of that information. This is something
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that I try to make clear whenever I speak on this topic....
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As far as Bill Moore is concerned....For the work that he did on the
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"Roswell Incident" and several other books, it is my opinion that
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he is to be commended. But since then, with a few possible
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exceptions, the material that he has presented, most notably the
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material that he presented in that garbage television production
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"UFO Cover-up Live" is material that he took from interviews with
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me back in the late seventies. It is my opinion that everything
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he presented as having been the direct result of his investigations
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of those two buzzards Falcon and Condor, is a lot of CRAP!
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Geest: There seems to be a new version of UFOlogy that is surfacing. We
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have reports from Lear, Cooper, etc., It is my thought that these
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people are not UFOligists but rather Cases, and as such are not
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really UGOlogists....would you care to comment....
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English:I have a great deal of respect for John Lear as a man. In all
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fairness to John I have not given his material very much thought
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since I have not really had the opportunity to view his research
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data and material. I cannot say for sure that his material is true,
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however I believe that he believes it is. I would also point out
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that were it not for John I would still be in hiding in Virginia.
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He is the man directly responsiable for me coming out of hiding
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and getting back into active investigations and public speaking
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on the subject.
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Geest: What do you think about the current status of the various UFO
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groups around the country, ie are we working together or are we
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working against each other?
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English: Well, unfortunately it is my feeling that currently we are all
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caught in a morass of wheel spinning. During the past two years
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I have noticed that very little legitimate investigation is
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being done. Not because the desire is not there, but more because
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we are forced to listen to such people as Bill Cooper and Bill
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Moore. Moore is a jerk in my estimation, but there doesn't seem
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to be anyone quite like Bill Cooper. Most of the organizations
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have allowed themselves to become factioned by Cooper's statements
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and such based upon their own personal beliefs and the horse sh*t
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that Cooper spreads...There was a time when these organizations
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were devoting themselves to serious research. When Cooper showed up
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it seemed that they became involved in other things...Frankly it
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is my estimation that all of the UFO Investigative organizations
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need to come together and share information of all types in order
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to keep from working at cross purposes....UFINET has already
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instituted a policy of open cooperation between all UFO
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organizations and shares whatever information that it has
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available to anyone serious about researching...
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Geest: I agree. It seems to me that the sharing of information should be
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the focal point, regardless if you are a member of MUFON,
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CUFON, or what ever UFO group. one last question.....It seems that
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UFO research is not recognized within "the media" and as such we are
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now more or less starting our own communications media ie...the PC
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and BBS....would you care to comment and please include the number
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to your system....
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English: I have to agree with you that "the Media" doesn't look upon UFO
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research with any degree of seriousness, however I think that
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this is more our own fault than anything else. We have no
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standardization criteria and as a result we attract those elements
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that attempt to take advantage of us and those around us with
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regards to research. The simple and basic cure for this would seem
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to me to be a coming together as organizations and working out a
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standardization of investigative criteria. Once that criteria is
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in place and we begin to work within it's frame work, then we will
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be recognised by first the scientific community and then the media.
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With regard to establishing our own communications network. That
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is the natural course of things I think. With PC's and BBS's
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becoming more and more available to the everyday persons it is
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only natural that we utilize this media to exchange ideas and
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information. I don't believe that it is exclusive to just UFO
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information but as a whole...I will say that UFINET News and
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information service is (as of this moment and besides the government)
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the only Professional UFO News and Information Service/Investigation
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group in the world. We are not a non-profit organization and
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those members of UFINET Who are certified by us are supported by
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a host of professional services, to include legal aide, and resource
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information..We do however provide a free access system for people
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to call and exchange information and investiative reports. that
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number is (505) 437-7198. We also have a mainframe computer system
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that is accessable through several regional Bell operating companies
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and around the world. It is extremely new and we are still waiting
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to see what the responce is going to be like...
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Geest: I would like to thank Bill English for taking time to speak with us
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tonight.......Bill thanks for the interview...
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English: My pleasure Ken....
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