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SUBJECT: THE ISSUES FORUM 06/28/92 FILE: UFO3008
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*********** The Issues Forum 06/28/92 20:07:29
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Terry | Don...
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| Has L.A. stopped shaking? ga
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DON M | wrong DON GA
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Terry | OH, sorry!
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Ted M. | DON what are your interest? ga
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DON M | ok...
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| I'm about to go to England and am; interested in the circles...
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| I'm wondering if any have been spotted this year. ga]
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Ted M. | Ok...
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| I am not the expert on British crop circle but I do know that
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| they have ...
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| had many. However, they occur during [or near] harvest time.
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| When...
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| are you going to be there. I will be in Tetbury near the end
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| of July. ga
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DON M | ok
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| I'm going the 18th of July and I know that last year there were
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| many at that time. ga
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Ted M. | That is really interesting leave for the UK on the 18th also!
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DON M | Business or vacation or what? ga
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Ted M. | Business, I'll be there about a week. Where are you leaving
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| from? ga
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DON M | Boston...
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| I'm only going for ten days and I will be hunting for circles...
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| and any related phenomenon
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| Linda m. Howe is also going. ga
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Ted M. | Do you have a planned agenda? Where will you look first? ga
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DON M | Salisbury area is the best bet. I may rent a plane and search
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| as I'm a pilot and it would provide the best pictures...
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| I will also try and contact the crop watchers there. ga
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Ted | DON, will you be at the MUFON meeting next month? ga
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DON M | I wish I could. What is the date and do you have to ...
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| be a member to attend? ga
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Ted M. | Terry, do you want to answer that one? ga
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Terry | No, you don't have to be a member. ga
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DON M | Date?
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Ted M. | And the date is July 10th. Linda Howe will be there. ga
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Terry | July 10-12.
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DON M | She told me that she was speaking at the conference...
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Ted M. | If you can make it a bunch of us from this Forum will..
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| be meeting in the lounge of the Doubletree hotel Friday. ga
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Terry | ?
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Ted M. | GA Terry
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Terry | Don. Are you associated with Linda Howe? ga]
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DON M | no.
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Ted M. | Do you speak with her often? ga
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DON M | ok
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Bert | Hi.
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DON M | I called her about the tape she was distributing and she talked.
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Ted M. | Will you be joining her in the UK? ga
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DON M | I'd like that but I will have to call her again...
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| I only met her once at last years Omega Co. ga
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Ted M. | Well, maybe you can arrange to bump into her. Bet she could...
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| use the services of a good pilot. ga
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DON M | I'm not THAT good of a pilot but I can land and takeoff! ga
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Ted M. | Any landing that you can walk away from is a good landing. ga
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DON M | You are correct. I would like to say that many local...
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| pilots have seen UFO's and even figured speeds. ga
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Ted M. | Tell us more. ga
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DON M | I'm slow at typing and its hard to tell a complete ...
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| story but I could E mail it sometime if you wish. ga
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Ted M. | Sure, that would be interesting. GA
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Joe Balsamo: Hi, sorry I'm late...what's happening tonight? ga
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Terry | Hi, Joe.
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DON M | I'll do it then, check your mail, g
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Terry | Don Ecker is here, too. ga
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Ted M. | Say DON, [the other DON] any follow-up after the Larry King
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| show? ga
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DON | Say again Ted?
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Ted M. | Sorry, anything happen as a result of the Larry King show? ga
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DON | Well, they showed the same segment of tape that NBC ran on HC.
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| I sent the tape to the exec. producer and that is the piece
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| they decided to run. I had no control over it.
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| Now, as an aside, I thought for a while they were doing an ambush
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| with Oberg and the two callers including DiPietro.
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| The enhanced segment showing the dome and disk was NOT shown.
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| I am bringing it to MUFON, and if I can find a place to run it I will. GA
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Bert | ?
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DON | I was not invited to speak so I do not have access to equipment
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| or rooms. Did you catch that Joe? No evasivness, I just flat don't have
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| the equipment.
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Ted M. | If you can bring it on 8mm video I can play it there. GA Bert
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DON | However, Oberg was trying
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| to escape a question I had, I wanted to have him admit the same
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| thing he told me on the phone after the Hard Copy thing ran, HE IS
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| UNDER SECRTY ETRITONS UFO ROSDRDTOA EUIYn was trying to point out
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| some info I found out about a NASA and CIA
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| project that ran on UFOs in the 70s, when I was cut off. ga
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| that was UFOs are considered National Security items.
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Ted M. | DON part of that last message was garbled. I got "HE IS UNDER
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| SECRTY ETRITONS UFO ROSDRDTOA EUIYn.." ga
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DON | He signed and has a security access Top Secret
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| He was just trying to make everyone believe he is just a "Space
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| Nut" as some kind of interested observer. Bull Shit.
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Joe | !
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Bert | Don, I thought you did a good job of drilling Oberg. It was..
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| pretty obvious he was trying to dodge your Q's....
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| this guy seems to be the new Kl ass. A couple weeks ago he was
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| on a talk show with Hopkins, Jacobs, and Mack as well as some
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| abductees he was really obnoxious trying to put down these guys. g
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DON | Yeh, well I got him on that.
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Joe | Don, PLEASE bring the tape...I will bring a VCR, I just want to
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| see that digitally enhanced tape...
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| also, I have spoken to Eric Herr and Mel Podel here in San
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| Diego and they refer to Mr. Oberg as 'an insufferable twit'...also...
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DON | Joe, I am going to bring it.
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Joe | that LKL show was WAY to short for Don to present his case. You
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| did a good job considering that what you were up against, I
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| certainly did NOT mean to imply that you were being evasive...
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| you read my messages out of context and got that impression, I
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| apologize, as I said, I'm on your side! ga
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DON | Ok, I am gonna say it here just this once...
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| I mentioned it twice on King on Friday
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| Debris and ice TUMBLE boys and girls, esp. if it is in
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| orbit the camera was BOLTED TO THE SHUTTLE.....
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| the picture DID NOT MOVE WHEN THAT THING TOOK OFF AT A 140 DEGREE ...
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| ANGLE THEREFORE THE SHUTTLE DID NOT FIRE ANY THRUSTERS......
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| are we with me so far? To continue
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| The object was NOT TUMBLING, DID NOT REFLECT SUNLIGHT AND
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| "SPARKLE" LIKE ICE WOULD IF THAT IS WHAT IT IS.......
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| ergo, when it took off, it kept accelerating into space. If it
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| were just pushed, then it would have tumbled maybe into a different orbit.
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| In my copy, it keeps going right off the screen into deep space.
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| the photo did not move, just the objects.
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| Later on, after event 2, the shuttle does fire thrusters, it
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| does move the camera moves, EVERYTHING MOVES.
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| That was the PISS IN SPACE DUMP. NOT BEFORE.
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| Then there is the STREAK. That is not present when the shuttle moves.
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| The object seemed to anticipate the streak, did a right angle,
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| and split. This is what they do not want to address.
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| The "disk and dome" object is breath taking. They did not want
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| to run that. As to DiPietro, he enhanced the tape, and is now.......
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| (according to a guy who knows him very well, and who called me)
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| scared out of his pants that he will be fired.
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| This tape was not to have been released, and it was just plain
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| dumb luck it was.
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Joe | ?
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Ted M. | GA Joe
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Joe | So far it seems as if there has been a concerted effort by
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| every TV show to keep you from showing the entire tape and the
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| digitally enhanced tape with the clear view of a domed object...
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| do you know of anyway that this can be shown to the American
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| public on National Television? It is a travesty of justice if this is
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| not shown all know, the government is up to its neck right now over the
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| cover-up of the POW/MIA issue, this is just one more example of
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| the fascism that is being practiced by our CIA/DIA and other spook
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| groups...this HAS got to be shown! GA
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DON | !!
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Bert | GA Don. Ted is on phone. ga
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DON | NASA and the CIA conducted a project study back in the 70's
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| on UFOs, which NASA first admitted, then recanted.
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| NASA is in up to their neck with NSA, NRO, CIA, and all the top
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| intelligence agencies because of space satellites technology, etc.
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| and anyone who thinks that they are still the civilian space
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| agency is full of it. Since Truly was fired, and Goldin took over,
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| and let us not forget that Goldin has ties to the NSA thru TRW, and that
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| NASA has become deeply militarized and black, the civilian aspect has taken
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| it in the shorts. These people that think that NASA will tell
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|the truth as they know they are not smelling the coffee. NASA is
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a federal agency, and like
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| the CIA, NSA, DIA, FBI, NRO, and the rest of them,
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| will do what they damn well feel, and nothing else. ga
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Bert When Golden was appointed a few months back...
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| there was an article in Science which expressed...
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| some concern about the absence of background on him. They called him...
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| the "mystery man" and pointed out that he was director of some
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| really black projects while at TRW. Since then I've seen him
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| interviewed a few times on TV and he seems to come across as all business.
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|Hard to say good or bad. ga
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DON | Oh, BTW, my guest tonight is Ralph McGehee, a 25 year retired vet. of the
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| CIA. An agency critic. Should be a great show.
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Joe | Is this cable radio only?
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DON | Satellite dish if you got it.
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Joe | I have a friend, thanks, GA
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Bert | Is McGehee the guy who appeared on Unsolved Mysteries when they...
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| did the Bentwaters piece. If so he's the guy who tried hard to...
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| debunk the whole thing. ga
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DON | Nope, not the same.
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Joe | !
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DON | Well, gotta run, you all take care.
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Anne | bye, DON
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Bert | Seeya Don.
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Joe | c-ya don
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Ted M. | Thanks Bert, I was on an overseas call. Night Don. GA Joe
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Joe | OK...
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| What do you think the possibility is of we, the civilian U.S.
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| UFO investigators approaching either the French or the former Soviets...
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| and soliciting their help in these matters?...Certainly the
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| soviets need the money and they MUST have information from their space
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| program that could prove to be helpful. GA
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Terry | !
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Ted M. | GA Terry
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Terry |Joe, Don has been in contact with top Russian people (UFO &
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| space types) for some time now, and Vallee is also working with Russians.
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| Don got and published the Russian photo of the missile from Mars...
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| approaching the Phobos II probe just before it went out. ga
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Joe | !
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Bert | ?
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Ted M. | GA Joe
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Joe | OK, that is excellent, what about the French, the Brazilians
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| and the Belgians, any idea of getting help from them?...
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| Also, what about forming a PAC to try and get the Senate and
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| house to start putting some pressure onto the spooks? ga
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Ted M. | Ga Bert
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Bert has everyone seen the new file in lib10? i.e. the one describing the ...
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| base in northern CA? ga
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Terry | No.
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Joe | not yet, I'll get it after meeting ga
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Bert | It's a very interesting file. It's a report from this Phoenix
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| group that also put up the report on Dulce a few weeks ago. No
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| names mentioned again, but at least it sets up a situation
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| where people can easily go and check this out. Could be more
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| disinfo. I thought the Dulce report was a little suspicious.
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| But who knows? It's definitely worth looking over. ga
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Joe | ?
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Ted M. | You know I thought the two files were totally different in style.
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| Less professional and more like an evangelist. GA Joe
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Joe | What was Phoenix's general conclusion, yea or Nay on the
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| North Cal base?
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Bert | !
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Ted M. | GA Bert
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Bert | They claim to have done an investigation which they describe in some detail.
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| They did magnetometer analyses of an area which they claimed
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| showed a huge metal dome and tunnels etc. underground in this
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| particular area. They tell you how to get there etc. They
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| encourage the public to go check it out they also have seen
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| craft going in to the base. They claim that...
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| they can't loose on this, because by going public with the
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| report the Gov. will have to fence off the area and patrol it
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| etc. and that itself will be confirmation of the bases
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| presence. ga
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Joe | ?
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Ted M. | GA Joe
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Joe | Has anyone ordered anything from Phoenix yet? ga
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Bert | Not me.
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Terry | Not me.
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Ted M. | Just a cheeseburger and fries. <G>
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Bert | They give an address where you can get documents, photos, etc.
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| relating to report. Sounds sort of Valerianesque though. ga
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Joe | A PhoenixBurger! ga
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Ted M. | Yes, it was burned sooooo bad it arose from it's own ashes. ga
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Joe | hahahah Well that base should be pretty easy to check out.
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| Might be worth a trip up there to see what's going on. ga
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Ted M. | Gotta go folks...
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| Night all ga
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Joe | c-ya, Ted
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Bert | Night Ted.
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Terry | Nite Ted.
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