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SUBJECT: NEW AGE FORUM 21-JUN-92 FILE: UFO2964
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*********** New Age Forum 21-Jun-92 15:47:35
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David/Moderator: Gentlemen, I think we need to call this CO to official
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| order, is that OK with everybody?
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Jeff Morrow: yes.
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Joe Balsamo: yep
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Steve | Yes
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David - the other o: go
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David/Moderator: OK.. here we go, first I must get the formalities out of
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| the way so....
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| I am the moderator and will basically run the CO, if you have a
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| question type a ?, if you have a comment type a !....
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| I will then call on you each in turn, please do not interrupt
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| whomever is speaking, when your called on, please send a OK...,
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| so ..
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| that we know your typing your message. Finish each line with a
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| set of elipses, such as ....,. When you finished, send a GA
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| to...
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| indicate you are finished. Everyone understand?...ga
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Joe Balsamo: Yes
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Jeff Morrow: yes
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David - the other o: yes
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David/Moderator: Ok...
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| Joe I think you had something to say?...ha
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| Sorry, I mean ga
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Joe Balsamo: Well, how many people here are familiar with the database
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| project that we have been discussing in previous COs? GA
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David - the other o: !
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David/Moderator: David, ga
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David - the other o: I know of it's existence. It seems there is some
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| concern on duplication of
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| efforts. GA
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David/Moderator: There is concern that we don't want to duplicate the
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| efforts of groups like CUFOS and MUFON......
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| however we are still trying to continue with the thing and
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| talking with these groups in turn....ga
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David - the other o: It seems there are two ways to go. A distribute base
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| or a central base everyone chips into...GA
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David/Moderator: Ok...
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| actually we are taling of doing a combo of each. This Forum
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| would be the central base, for now, but the DB would....
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| also be distributed through the normal UFO networks around the
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| country....
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| The long term goal is to have a Forum dedicated to UFOs and a
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| database that may be accessed online by anyone....ga
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Joe Balsamo: !
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David - the other o: ? How far has it gotten in design? GA
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David/Moderator: ok...
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Peter Baitz: !
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David/Moderator: Good question, we started preliminary designed about 2
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| weeks ago, and we going to continue discussion here today...
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| Nothing has been finalized yet because it involves so much
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| data..
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| Joe > GA
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Joe Balsamo: Personally, since David and I are going to the MUFON
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| convention in New Mexico, I'd like to wait until we have had a
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| chance to speak
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| to some of the other people...
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| with UFO databases before we determine a final design. At this
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| point, any and all suggestions are welcome. Obviously, this
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| thing
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| could turn into a logistical nightmare if we don't get support
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| from some of the bigger groups...
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| people on CIS have NO means to check out UFO reports, so I
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| think our job would be more of a centralized clearing house for
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| data.
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| We just don't have the structural organization to do followup
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| reporting. GA
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David/Moderator: Peter > GA
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Peter Baitz: Greetings all! I am here finally. How is it going today? GA
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David/Moderator: Not so bad, we discussing the database as you can
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| see.....
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David - the other o: !
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Peter Baitz: hello
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David/Moderator: Hello
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Steve | !
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David/Moderator: You here Peter, we got you. David F, did you have
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| something to say? ga
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David - the other o: ok...
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| Yes. A meeting with the other groups is imperitive for
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| compatability...
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| I would guess that the info is not in the same soft or
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| standardized entry...
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| forms. It might be a good idea to inquire or propose such a
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| standard. Also...
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| in line with the idea of centralize clearing house. A
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| directory of directions...
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| for research. you know something like "I'm too busy to deal
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| with this right...
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| now but it would be interesting to know...".
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| Also maybe a request for data registry...GA
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David/Moderator: Steve > GA
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Steve | Do you intend to list sightings and call for local support in
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| documenting the event?
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Joe Balsamo: !
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David/Moderator: Ok...
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| Thats an interesting point, and one frankly thats never been
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| brought up before, but it is something that should be ....
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| considered. As Joe said before, since he and I are attending
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| the MUFON symposium next month, and we're going to talk to...
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| several researchers there, it may not be a bad idea to wait and
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| see what they have to say about the whole thing.....
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| Joe > GA
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Jeff Morrow: !!
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Joe Balsamo: Ok...
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| I think that everyone needs to think about what they'd like to
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| see in a database for doing UFO research. Obviously, we want
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| this
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| thing to be comprehensive, but compatible as well...
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| this point, we need to talk to the orgs such as CUFOS and MUFON
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| and go on from there. I think that it might be more productive
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| for
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| us to hold off talking...
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| he database until Dave and I get back for the symposium.
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| Perhaps we should concentrate on the online newsletter which is
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| standalone and totally...
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| ndent upon just our group...what do you all think? GA
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David/Moderator: Jeff > GA
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David>the other: !
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Steve | ?
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Jeff Morrow: Thanks, David! I agree with Joe. ...
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| Each of these groups has its own adgenda, and we are not in the
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| position...
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| to do our own field inveestigation at this time. In order to
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| function ...
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| as a central database, we must have the support of at least
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| some of the ...
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| current research organizations. I have found that all these
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| groups...
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| pretty much guard their data, and don't mix well. I think you
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| should test...
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| the waters at the conference before jumping into the database,
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| but let's...
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Peter Baitz: !
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Jeff Morrow: proceed with the newsletter. I also see that I'm being
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| paged, and havt leave in a minute. ...
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| I'll pick up the rest from the transcript. Ga
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David/Moderator: Sorry to see you go, put I'll post the transcript ASAP,
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| David > GA
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David>the other: OK...
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Jeff Morrow: Thanks. Bye. Ga
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David>the other: I concur with Joe and Jeff about the Newsletter. It is
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| more immediately doable...
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| The key to approaching the other groups is to be valuable to
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| them...
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| Provide a service that eventually they find they can't do
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| without. It ...
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| Must cost some bucks to keep the individual nets up and
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| running...
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| even with late night data exchanges. Researchers do tend to
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| cover thier...
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Steve | !
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David>the other: data territory rather close until they are ready to
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| publish...GA
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David/Moderator: I agree completely with what you and Joe and Jeff
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| say.....Steve > GA
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David>the other: ?
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Steve | I agree with Joe on the newsletter, But I must have missed the
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| initial
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| premise of the database, would someone please explain.
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Joe Balsamo: !
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David/Moderator: Joe your good at that, would you care to take the ball
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| for a minute? GA
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Joe Balsamo: Sure...
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| First, I would suggest that everyone download the first two CO
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| transcripts...
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| these give a detailed description of what we have been
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| discussing. In a nutshell, we wanted to create a central
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| database...
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| that would be available to anyone in the UFO field. It would
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| include all verifiable contacts, CE I-V, and any other
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| pertinant
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| types of information...
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| e CIS is international and available to so many, it would be an
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| ideal place for all of this data to be stored. GA
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David/Moderator: Peter, sorry for the wait > GA
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Peter Baitz: No problem. I was just taking it in- catching up....
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| I see the database , now as a catalog in database form...
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| of existing and any new (via CIS and others) UFO related
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| reports. GA
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Joe Balsamo: !
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David/Moderator: David > GA
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David>the other: OK...
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| Comment first...that's just the line to take when pitching the
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| idea to the othergroups...
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| Question is ... who edits the newsletter...I suggest Jeff cause
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| he's not here?...GA
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David/Moderator: he he he, Joe > GA
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Joe Balsamo: OK...
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Peter Baitz: !
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Joe Balsamo: First, is anyone else in this group planning on going to the
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| MUFON symposium? Secondly, I suggest we discuss the online
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| newsletter
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| and who all here right now is interested in participating? GA
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David>the other: !
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Peter Baitz: !
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David/Moderator: David > GA
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David>the other: ok...
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| I'm not gonna be able to get anywhere near AZ cause of busyness
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| here in the city...I second the motion to table...
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| Database discussion and move on to the newsletter...I've got
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| some time I can give...GA
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David/Moderator: OK. excellent! Peter > GA
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Peter Baitz: I am interested as well. What will be the format of the
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| newsletter...
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| -a lump of articles? - one file? Where are we so far inthis
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| regard? GA
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David/Moderator: Ok....
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| For now we will table the Database idea until Joe and I have a
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| chance to dicuss it with the people at the symposium.....
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Peter Baitz: !
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David/Moderator: Now for the Newsletter, I don't know what the format
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| will be, ASCII I suppose, perhaps a series of files, maybe
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| pictures, maybe ...
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| all ZIPped together. Comments? Peter > GA
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David>the other: !
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Peter Baitz: Thanks.....
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Steve | !
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Peter Baitz: I was in fact interested in the newsletter, just to nake it
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| clear....
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| Ok GA
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David/Moderator: OK great......David > GA
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David>the other: ok...
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| I've seen some impressive online newsletters (colors menu
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| capabable)...
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| Morning Star avaliable in one of the libs here is one...But I
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| don't know what
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| soft...
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| they use to put it together...propriatery or unique I suppose.
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| A start to get
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Joe Balsamo: !
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David>the other: us moving fast would be ascii zipped then upgrade.
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| Does anyone know where/whatmorning star uses?...GA
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David/Moderator: OK....
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| Joe you go first, then Steve you follow...ga
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Joe Balsamo: Thanks...
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| I just called a friend of mine who is a newsletter expert and
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| she is going to join us...hopefully she'll be here in just a
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| sec...GA
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Steve | ASCII & GIFF'S, YES! ZIPPED,
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| THE MORE THE BETTER .=> GA
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David/Moderator: Good deal, I think we're on to something here!..ga
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Joe Balsamo: Hi Deb!
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Deb Carlen: Hello, o spiritual master.
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David/Moderator: Welcome Deb, how are you today? ga
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Deb Carlen: No one else could call me out on a nanosecond but you.
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| ga
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Joe Balsamo: If I might but in for a moment...
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David/Moderator: Ok Deb,....
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| Ok Joe > GA
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Deb Carlen: Someone should re-state the rules for me. GA
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Joe Balsamo: deb is a newsletter expert :)...I think her advise in this
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| area could be the difference between total success or
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| failure...sorry
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| david, thanks for indulging us!...GA
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David/Moderator: OK... deb the rules are simple....
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| If you have a comment type a ! if you have a questions type a
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| ?, I will call on you in turn with the others....ok...ga
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Deb Carlen: Dave, thank you; Joe, you are too kind. ...GA
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David/Moderator: OK.. Deb, do you know what we trying to do here? ga
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Deb Carlen: Not really; vaguely ga
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Joe Balsamo: !
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David/Moderator: Joe, I take it youd like to explain? GA
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Joe Balsamo: OK...
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| Basically what we are doing is formulating the idea of
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| producing a UFO oriented newsletter....
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| right now, it will probably start out in electronic form, but
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| that is not to say that we may not want it to be in 'real' form
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| later...
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| Aside form that, the floor is open to suggestions. GA
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David/Moderator: If I may....
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| The newsletter would encompass UFO sights, reports,
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| investigations, and theories from around the world....
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| it would have articles, pictures perhaps, and reports from
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| investigators. Thats my idea basically, any others? ga
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Deb Carlen: ! and ?
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David/Moderator: Deb > GA
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Deb Carlen: Sorry to be late to the idea...
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| but if it's a fax NL, who's doing what...
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| there are so many things I want to tell you about the effort I
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| don't know where to start
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| ga
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David>the other: !
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David/Moderator: David > GA
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David>the other: ok...Simple start would be bundle of articles/gifs ect
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| zipped together left in...
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| Library and/or sent to a mailing list on/offline. I've seen
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| soft that makes online look really good. We (have we?) chose
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| Jeff as editor
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| what was that???...
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Joe Balsamo: !
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David/Moderator: The editor is still up for grabs.....
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David>the other: Chosing strawboss, contributers (putting out a call for
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| submissions), format,...what else...GA
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Deb Carlen: !
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David/Moderator: At this point its me and Joe, buts ANYONE else is
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| welcome!
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David>the other: JEFF!!
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David/Moderator: Joe > GA
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| Joe > GA
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Joe Balsamo: OK...
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| David the othe, I appreciate you wanting to volunteer Jeff
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| ;)...but since he isn't here, I think we need to make sure the
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| editor
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| will be someone that is impecably reliable. The staff is going
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| to have to consist...
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| going to be able to stick with this thing. That is, IMHO, the
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| most important aspect. GA
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David/Moderator: Deb > GA
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Deb Carlen: I suggest (humbly, please) that whomever's to be involved on
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| any level, take the course I teach...
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| and I'll get you in for free. I'm in the midwest in July.
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| Where are you all (y'all) located?
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| ga
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David/Moderator: Well I'm in Missouri...ga
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Deb Carlen: St. Louis - July 7 ga
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David>the other: NYC
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Joe Balsamo: Well, looks like David is it ;)
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Deb Carlen: Just missed you; the boss is there now but I can't get you in
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| there til next time ga
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David/Moderator: July 7, I can make that, where...ga
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Deb Carlen: St Louis Marriott West - I'll email you details; be sure I
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| get your CIS id. GA
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| !
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David/Moderator: Good deal, Joe has my Id if you need it. Deb > GA
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| again!
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Deb Carlen: Sorry... just wanted to say that the course covers all
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| aspects of NL production: writing, editing, DTP etc. I just
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| missed Joe in SDiego,
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| ga
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David/Moderator: Cool.. I'll look forward to it.....
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Joe Balsamo: !
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David/Moderator: OK, so I'll be editor, for some reason, and Joe is gonna
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| be assitant editor, right Joe? GA
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Deb Carlen: ?
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Joe Balsamo: Uh, er, yeah sure!...
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| I was just going to mention that we have lost about half of our
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| group...I wonder what we should do at this point? GA
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David/Moderator: Deb > GA
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Deb Carlen: What is anticipated scope of editorial mix/target audience?
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David>the other: !
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Deb Carlen: ga
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Joe Balsamo: !
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David/Moderator: David > GA
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Deb Carlen: Sorry David/Mod
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David>the other: OK...
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| How about the client nets first then broaden it out to general
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| public if there'sinterest...ga
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Deb Carlen: !
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David/Moderator: Joe > GA
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Joe Balsamo: ok...
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| I was pretty much going to echo what David other said (jeez,
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| can we call one of you guys dave?) but I think that it will
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| start out
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| as an online NL...
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guys dave?: !
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Joe Balsamo: and then progress to a physical nl from there. Obviously,
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| the people that are going to be interested are the same people
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| on here,
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| and if it is good...
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| it will just grow from there, hopefully...hahahah (guys dave,
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| love it!) GA
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David/Moderator: If I may interfect something.....
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| It might not be a bad idea to make the thing proprietary of
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| this Forum, but allow PUBLIC ditribution....
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| I have several friends with private networks who would be
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| interested in helping to distribute it.......Deb > GA
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| BTW call me BOSS....;-)
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Deb Carlen: OK: Boss, guys Dave & Joe...hmmm we've got a lot to consider.
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| You're giving away copyright, yes?...
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David/Moderator: Deb . GA
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NOT da BOSS: ?
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Deb Carlen: if you're making it proprietary/ok to public distrib
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| OK da Boss, but da means something else to me ;)
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NOT da BOSS: :)
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David/Moderator: OK da > GA
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NOT da BOSS: ok...
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| Question one can you keep Copywrite and still make public
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| nonlimited distr?...seems I've seen it done...
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Deb Carlen: !
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NOT da BOSS: Question two having given away copywrite can it be regained
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| down the road?
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| ...ga
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David/Moderator: Remember folks, we are in a FORMAL CO here.....
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| Deb > GA
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Deb Carlen: NO; IT'S A USE IT OR LOSE IT LAW. It would take an hour to
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| explain.
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| but I'll send you all email. ga
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David/Moderator: Well...
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| we want it availble to everyone, but I would think we also
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| would want it clear just WHERE it came from...ga
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Deb Carlen: 1
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David/Moderator: Deb > GA
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Deb Carlen: OK...
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| You can do that and still maintain a certain amt of control...
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| but I think we're jumping the gun (my fault actually)...
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JOE | do what?
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Deb Carlen: to get into this before the edit/mktg is set up. ga
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David/Moderator: Joe,....
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| this is a formal CO discussing the possiblity of starting a
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| electronic UFO newsletter.
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| Joe B, do you have anything to say....ga
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Joe Balsamo: ?
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| Yes...
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David/Moderator: Joe B > GA
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Joe Balsamo: I was just going to as Deb, since she is our resident
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| expert, what we should do first. At this point, what do you
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| suggest, besides
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| David taking the course? GA
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Deb Carlen: !
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David/Moderator: Is this course free?............Deb > GA
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Deb Carlen: Usually $295. I have some discretion with guests.
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| It's a full day. You'll be exhausted.
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| ga
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| !
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David/Moderator: OK, I hope you have a LOT of descretion with guests! ;-)
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| Deb > GA
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Deb Carlen: Hmmm. This could be interesting...
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| First, draw up a list of topics...
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| then a preliminary format, concurrent with a mktg plan ga
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David/Moderator: Anyone have any suggestions for any of these
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| suggestions? GA
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Dave | !
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Joe Balsamo: !
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David/Moderator: Dave > GA
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Dave | OK...
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| Info gathering (esp from GOV'T ie FOIA), contacts of field
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| workers, history of areas...ga
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David/Moderator: Joe > GA
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Joe Balsamo: OK...
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Dave | !
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Joe Balsamo: I was going to suggest that we gather the topics and such in
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| a manner similar to the one we were going to do with the
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| database...
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| les post a message on UFO forum suggesting what we are up to
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| and ask the group what topics and the like they'd like to see...
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| The stuff that Dave mentioned is a good start (BTW, I have ALL
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| of the FOIA's ever filed dealing with UFOs) GA
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Deb | !
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David/Moderator: Dave > GA
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Dave | OK...
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| also sociological effects of the concept (RAW Higher
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| intelligence, Benevolent space brothers ect)...
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Joe Balsamo: !
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Dave | I agree with Joe on posting a rfc but we can't depend on it...GA
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David/Moderator: Deb > GA
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Deb | use Joe's/Dave's suggestions you'll need 2 senior copy editors
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| right off the bat. Info processing will be enormous.
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| that's OK but be prepared.
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| ga
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Dave | !
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David/Moderator: Joe > GA
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Joe Balsamo: OK...
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| I assume by RAW, you mean Robert Anton Wilson?...
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Dave | Yes
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Joe Balsamo: This is something we need to discuss right off the bat is
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| just how far in which direction we want to go with this nl...
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| do we want it to be purely scientific, or do we want to explore
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| ALL possibilities. GA
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David/Moderator: Dave > GA
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Deb | !
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Dave | ok...
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| I was thinking this permature but do we want to establish a
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| point of contact...
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| From what Deb just said (a bit upward re copy ed) it sounds
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| like there should be one userid where decisions come from...ga
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David/Moderator: Deb > GA
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Deb | We need a mission statement first first first; that's the
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| hardest of all, THEN we do the editorial mix
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| And yes, Dave, you need a senior head honcho to make decisions.
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| ga
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David/Moderator: Ok....
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| Since I'm section Leader of the UFO section, I guess I should
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| be like main contact?....Also, Deb could you explain this....
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| mission statement for me a bit?...ga
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Deb | Yup...
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| It's a statement of purpose: why the NL will exist...
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Dave | !
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Deb | it doesn't have to be a major report, just a few sentences. it
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| also establishes your credibility. ga
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David/Moderator: Dave > GA
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Dave | OK...
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| SOP Art 1 To support and deseminate research on the phenom
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| UFO...ga
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David/Moderator: OK....
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Joe Balsamo: !
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David/Moderator: I think Dave pretty much hit it on the head!
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| Joe > GA
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Deb | !
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Joe Balsamo: I still think we need to be real clear up front which
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| approach we are going to take with this...
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| as you all well know, one can take a 'purely' scientific
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| approach, or one can open it up to all things...what do you all
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| think? GA
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Dave | !
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David/Moderator: If I may....
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| I think we should TRY and maintain a combination of a
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| Scientific AND Neutral approach instead of leaning one....
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| way or the other like other publications do. Lets present the
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| facts, as we know them....
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| David > GA
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Dave | OK...
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| The purely sci approach is one open to almost everything...If
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| you are saying lets not pander to the fringe...
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| I concour...However the phenom itself is so truly weird that
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| some strange thingsare gonna come up...I...
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| Favor straight reporting and not preaching the great Space
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| brothers come to save us from ourselves...
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| But those who belive are also a part of the phenom...
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| Additionally, the phenom might not be a straight type of thing.
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| Constant and open to the objective approach...
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| Wasn't it Vallee who was approached by an ex-intelligence
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| officer who said that the trouble with...
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| the scientific approach in this matter is that science views
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| information free for the taking...
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| and that ufo's seem to be telling whoever what they want to
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| hear? Like an intellop laying lots of mutually...
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| conflicting info out there to be taken as gospel....GA
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Deb | !
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David/Moderator: I'm sorry Deb, please GA
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Deb | OK
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| This is the type of discussion that results in good
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| organization; you may want to ...
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| let the idea gel a bit before the statement is written...
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| you see how it spins out the ed mix already. You have two
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| issues of ideas/topics now.
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| ga
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David/Moderator: Your right Deb, I think we should think about this
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| awhile. What does everyone else think? GA
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Dave | !
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David/Moderator: Dave > GA
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Dave | OK...I'm thinking that it might be time to sked another
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| meeting...Deb pse join...
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Deb | !
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Dave | and pack it in for tonight (working into hour 3 here and I got
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| colors coming up)...GA
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Joe Balsamo: !
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David/Moderator: Deb > GA
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Deb | Thanks for asking. Yes. ga
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David/Moderator: Joe > GA
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Joe Balsamo: She will be right back, David...I agree with what Dave says,
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| though.
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| whoops...sorry
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Dave | huh?
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| !
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David/Moderator: Dave > GA
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Dave | Sundays are good for me but almost any evening will do (Save
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| fri/sat nights).
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| Say Sunday next same time?
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| ga
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Deb | !
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Joe Balsamo: !
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David/Moderator: Deb > GA
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Deb | I'm on the road a lot in July but if you email me, I'll show up
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| any time but July 12 - I've got an on-air thingie then.
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| It was nice to meet all of you.
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| ga
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David/Moderator: Deb I want to thank you for dropping by....
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| its was very nice AND very helpfull. I hope to see you back at
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| the next CO!
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| Joe > GA
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Joe Balsamo: ok...
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Dave | !
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Joe Balsamo: shall we schedule the next meeting for 5pm EDT July 19th.? GA
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Dave | June or July?
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David/Moderator: David > GA
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| July 19th, is that OK with everyone else??? GA
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Deb | ! yes.
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Joe Balsamo: Works for me
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Dave | Next month is good for me...
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David/Moderator: Dave, how about you...ga
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| OK, great, then next month July 19th at 5pm EST, I'll set it up
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| and Post a message. Anything else? ga
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Deb | !
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Dave | !
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David/Moderator: Deb > GA
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Deb | Will you be assigning any tasks for us in the intervening time
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David/Moderator: Dave > GA
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Joe Balsamo: !
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Dave | got make a rfc posting. someone what to make a draft of sop?
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| route it around?
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David/Moderator: Just a sec here, Joe > GA
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Joe Balsamo: ok...
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| I think Dave is right, we may want to post a message and gather
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| up some thoughts and ideas from everyone so next time we can do
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| a
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| statenment of purpose. GA
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David/Moderator: Yes....
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Deb | !
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David/Moderator: I'll post a message to everyone here in the Forum, in
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| the mean time I would like....
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| each of you to think on this a bit, and maybe send me a
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| message, or messages, via this forum as to each of your
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| thoughts....
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| on how to approach this thing.
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| Deb > GA
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Deb | Never mind; you guys are way ahead of me.
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| ga
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David/Moderator: We try!!! :-)
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| Anything else anybody? ga
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Dave | yo
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| Does anyone have a CUFON number for NYC?
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David/Moderator: I don't, Joe do you?
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Joe Balsamo: I have the main CUFOS number: (312) 271-3611
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Dave | tks and that's all i got ttfn oo.
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David/Moderator: If that all, then I call this CO officially over and
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| done with. Pass the bear please!
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Dave | growllll ... you can have 'em.
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Joe Balsamo: OK, good meeting, too bad we lost half the gang, though!
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Dave | Good night all...[poof]
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David/Moderator: Good night Dave,
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| Deb thanks for coming by, I appreicate it.
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Deb | Dobriya noche
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| yer welcome
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David/Moderator: Thanks, lost me for a sec, :-)
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Joe Balsamo: hasta la vista
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David/Moderator: Night to you all!
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Steve | Bye all
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Joe | Take it easy, David.
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