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SUBJECT: NEW AGE FORUM 07-JUN-92 FILE: UFO2963
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*********** New Age Forum 07-Jun-92 16:53:12
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R1: *SYSTEM*| Switching to Formal Conferences (R1)
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Joe Balsamo: Hello
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David/Moderator: Hello
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Joe Balsamo: I'm starting to feel lonely, Dave, we are the only ones here!
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David/Moderator: No prblem, Peter Baitz promised he'd be here!
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Joe Balsamo: Whoops! My Smart Alarms just told me it's time for the UFO
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| CO!!!
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David/Moderator: We still got 5 minutes anyway.
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| And here's Rilla!
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Joe Balsamo: Hmm...my clock must be fast
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David/Moderator: I hope you got your suit and tie on, this is a formal CO
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| you know!
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Joe Balsamo: Ahh, so it is (starting to feel less lonely already:-) )
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| Suit...suit, heck, I've got on my Tux!
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David/Moderator: I hope Peter makes it alright, he's never been in a CO
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| before and may have trouble. He using the old command mode way
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| of doing
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| things.
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| Peter be here!!!!!!
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Joe Balsamo: Well, I can see everyone that just enters the forum on MAC
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| CIM, so we can always give him instructions
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| HHello Peter
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Peter Baitz: Hello
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Joe Balsamo: Hello Dennis
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Dennis Mahlmeister/: Hello all, what's happening?
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David/Moderator: Welcome Peter, gald you could make it!
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Peter Baitz: I am too!
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David/Moderator: We have 3 minutes will CO time, so we're waiting.
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Joe Balsamo: Looks like we are going to have a nice CO today!
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David/Moderator: Its about time!
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Dennis Mahlmeister/: Dave, I didn't know there was a CO, saw the crowd
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| and thought to drop in... ;)
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| What's the CO on?
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David/Moderator: Well, heck Welcome anyway! Neil forgot to post the News
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| flash for me!
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| The CO is on UFO's!
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Dennis Mahlmeister/: Oh, ok.
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David/Moderator: Still interesting I hope?
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Joe Balsamo: Dennis, we'd really appreciate it if you'd hang with us for
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| at least a little while
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Dennis Mahlmeister/: Sure, don't know how long I will be able to hang
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| around, but will see what's going on.
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David/Moderator: Good enough, Peter you still out there? Having any
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| trouble?
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Dennis Mahlmeister/: I have a friend that swears that there is a room in
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| her house that people
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Peter Baitz: New he!I am here. I understand we may talk of the database
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| also?
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Dennis Mahlmeister/: have been abducted from by UFO's and when they are
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| brought back they have...
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David/Moderator: Yes, and the UFO Shuttle video as well.
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Dennis Mahlmeister/: a splitting headache and marks on their necks.
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David/Moderator: Dennis, does you friend of CIS access?
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| I mean 'have CIS access"
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Dennis Mahlmeister/: Not usually, but I could go over there one day and
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| log on from her house...
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| and let her use my account. She does have the equipment.
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David/Moderator: It would be interesting to perhaps have them join a CO
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| of ours, and just tell us about here story.
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Joe Balsamo: That would be fantastic.
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Dennis Mahlmeister/: I will see what I can do, she is a very private type
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| and is worried that if...
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David/Moderator: If need be, I could arrange a one time, free account for
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| here to use for a temporary time. Would that be better?
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Dennis Mahlmeister/: her neighbors found out that they would get violent.
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| There is a lot of Klan
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| activity out where she lives.
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Joe Balsamo: She could remain totally anonymous.
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David/Moderator: She wouldn't have to use her own name.
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Dennis Mahlmeister/: Dave, either way would be ok, I have to talk with
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| her tho to see what happens.
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Joe Balsamo: Dave, do you think we ought to start, or wait a bit longer
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| for more to show?
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David/Moderator: Good enought Dennis, let me know what she says. Are we
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| all ready to begin?
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Peter Baitz: !!
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Joe Balsamo: Yup
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David/Moderator: Peter, you have something to say?
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Peter Baitz: TryinTJust trying to get used to this! I'm using DOS
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| commands
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| Not you interface,
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| ok
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| Who all is out there?
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| Hello?
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David/Moderator: We'll still here
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Joe Balsamo: I think we lost Peter
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David/Moderator: Peter you still out there?
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Dennis Mahlmeister/: Nope, Peter is still here
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User 4 | Hello- I'm back- seem yoYes. Seem to have gotten kicked out.
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| Can you read my entries?
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David/Moderator: What happened to your name Peter?
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User 4 | I do not know.
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| I see David and Joe.
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David/Moderator: No problem, I can figure it out! Ok people if we're
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| ready I'm going to start....anything else?
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Joe Balsamo: Well, I count four of us here, that may be the group for
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| today.
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David/Moderator: Good enough, time to start now....
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| First a brief synopsis of the rules....
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| In this formal conference I will be the moderator and will keep
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| track of whose turn it is to speak.....
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| PLEASE don't interrupt the person speaking until it is your
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| turn...
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| when you have a question type a ?, if you have a comment type a
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| !,
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| I will then call your name in turn. As you type, please end
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| each of your lines with ..., so we know that your still talking.
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| When you have finished talking, at the end of your last line
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| add GA, so mean Go Head, so we know to continue.
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| Does everyone understand?...ga
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Dennis Mahlmeister/: aye
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User 4 | Yes. GA
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Joe Balsamo: yup
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David/Moderator: OK....
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| the primary part of this CO is about the UFO database, then we
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| will discuss the UFO Shuttle video as seen on.....
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| Hards Copy the other day.
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| Does everyone have a basic understanding of the UFO database?
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User 4 | ?
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David/Moderator: GA Peter
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User 4 | I read about it briefly in the last CO. Perhaps a 1-liner
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| would help...,
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| begin this. GA
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David/Moderator: OK...
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| The basic idea here is to design and implement a international
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| UFO database, using this Forum as its home base...
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| this database will contain ALL information about UFO research,
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| i.e. sightings, abductions, theories, work, evidence, alien
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| contact,
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| just about everything that can be added...Does that explain
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| things pretty well?
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User 4 | ?
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David/Moderator: Peter > GA
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User 4 | This would be a down/uploadable info-base for various computers
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| or
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| something online.GA
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David/Moderator: At first it would be a downloadable database system
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| yes...
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Joe Balsamo: !
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David/Moderator: eventually we will hopefully be able to go to an online
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| system, at least we hope so....
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| The only people really uploading to the database would be those
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| make contributions to the database, and then
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| only a select few would be able to upload a revised copy, to
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| keep from having multiple copies of the database....
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| sitting out in the File base....
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| Joe > GA
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Joe Balsamo: Thanks...I think that Dave covered it pretty well, but as I
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| see it, there are two major objectives...
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| First we need to actually gather data. Design some kind of
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| form that people can download and fill out in regards to their
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| sightings...
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User 4 | ?
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Joe Balsamo: Secondly, we need to actually come up with a database system
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| that allows search criteria, reporting, etc. etc. At this stage
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| of the
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| game, we are still designing everything...
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| ust trying to get a solid group of volunteers. GA
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David/Moderator: If I may add...
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| we also want to encourage people to upload to us any private
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| research they themselves may have done....
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| Peter > GA
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User 4 | For the database, is an existing package to be used or are you
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| doing...,
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| some program for it like Dataflex , etc. or QBASIC...., C?
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| GA
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David/Moderator: Good point...
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Joe Balsamo: !
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David/Moderator: We're hashing it out, thats why we're here (hehe), we
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| NEED to make it available for as many different comptuer types
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| as possible...
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| Does anybody have any suggestions?
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User 4 | !
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David/Moderator: Joe > GA
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User 4 | !
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David/Moderator: Hang on a sec Peter, its Joes' turn, Joe > GA
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Joe Balsamo: I was going to say pretty much what you said. This is only
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| the 2nd CO ever, so the most important thing is to get the core
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| group
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| of solid volunteers...
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| then we can decide from there. GA
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David/Moderator: OK Peter > GA
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User 4 | Didn't mean to stomp on Joe. Most IBM computers with DOS have
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| BASIC...,
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| available. Programmers and "normal" people. GA
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David/Moderator: True...
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Joe Balsamo: !
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David/Moderator: but do we really want to program up a private systems of
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| our own? Then, what about MAC's, and Apples' and so forth?
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User 4 | !
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David/Moderator: Joe > GA
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Joe Balsamo: I would suggest that we consider using FoxPro. It runs on
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| both Macs and PCs and we can compile EXEs with it...
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| so noone really has to have the native language itself. GA
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David/Moderator: Peter > GA
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User 4 | That sounds fine. I am not familiar with Apples. Can they use
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| ACSII data? GA
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David/Moderator: OK...
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Joe Balsamo: Yes
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User 4 | !
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David/Moderator: JOE, you spoke outta turn, nasty nasty!
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| Peter > GA
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Joe Balsamo: ...whoops
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User 4 | So if IBSo if IBM and Apples use ASCII data, even if FoxPro is
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| not used...,
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| a max of two programs would need to be written for the two OSs
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| GA
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David/Moderator: OK...
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Joe Balsamo: !
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David/Moderator: What about the deal of having a comma delimited ASCII
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| file, then we could include a record layout so that others
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| could then just import it into there favorite db package....
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| Joe > GA
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Joe Balsamo: Actually, David, I think your idea is valid. IF we
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| structure the data properly, then people can use whatever
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| package they want for
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| analysis. GA
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David/Moderator: Peter, what do you think of that ideas? GA
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User 4 | I think this is fine. Otherwise people may dislike "our"
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| database...,
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| and resort to their own package anyway. GA
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David/Moderator: Good point...
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Joe Balsamo: !
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David/Moderator: besides I think we're all programmers here, and I don't
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| know if we could write something for Apples, Ataris's and all
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| the others.
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User 4 | !
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David/Moderator: It would definetly be a full time job just in
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| itself.....Joe > GA
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Joe Balsamo: I think we need to concentrate our efforts on the structure,
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| gathering and verification of the data itself...
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| this is going to be the bulk of making this a viable project.
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| GA
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David/Moderator: Peter > GA
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User 4 | I think creating the structure is the best start. Also, side
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| point...,
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| Novell Networks for one allow sharing of ASCII between IBM and
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| Apples. GA
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David/Moderator: Good point...
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Joe Balsamo: !
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David/Moderator: another thing I'd like to add, we must establish a group
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| of people we can all rely on to do their part,...
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| Joe and I have pretty much agreed to give whatever time we
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| have, to doing this thing. Can we count on you to help out
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| Peter?....
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| Joe, a sec, Peter > GA
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User 4 | Yessir!!
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| GA
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David/Moderator: Excellent, Joe > GA
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Joe Balsamo: I was going to suggest that one way we can use to get an
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| idea of the structure is to analyze any current collections of
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| data...
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| such as those held by MUFON, CUFOS, Hopkins, or whomever. From
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| there, we can use their ideas and meld them with our own to
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| come up
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| with a format. GA
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David/Moderator: Good point...
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User 4 | !
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David/Moderator: but I also think we should start working on our own
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| format, until, and if, we find anything out from those
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| people....
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| Peter > GA
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User 4 | I have just (really) recently begun with this UFO stuff. I
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| have always read...
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| up, etc... So I am not aware of the various organizations ...,
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| I have heard of some, but do not really know them nor their
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| formats for...
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| investgation and databases. I would look into this. GA
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David/Moderator: Your not alone....
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| All UFO researchers, and organizations, have there own
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| databases, but the problem is that ordinary people...,
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| like ourselves, don't have access to them. This db would be
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| availble to everyone and anyone....
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User 4 | !
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David/Moderator: but I am not so if these other UFO researchers are going
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| to be of much help to us!
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| Peter > GA
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User 4 | So, most of these organizations would not be willing to work
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| with CIS...,
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| or us to import some of their info. GA
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David/Moderator: I don't know, Joe what do you think? Joe > GA
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Joe Balsamo: Well, I have not explored it fully yet...
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User 4 | !
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Joe Balsamo: I have contacted MUFON, a group I belong to, and have not
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| heard back from them yet. I have also gotten involved with a
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| local...
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| group called ORION that is by invitation only...if I am
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| accepted into the group, I will see if they can be of help...
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| they have many members involved in all of the BIG UFO
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| organizations. GA
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David/Moderator: Peter > GA
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User 4 | There is a upload of 3(?) test files containing addresses of
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| some pages...,
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| worth of groups. Perhaps any # of there. Letters, contacts,
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| etc.GA
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| Of these...
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David/Moderator: I have some addresses and phone #'s as well..
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| I was contacted by the local MUFON director last night, about a
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| letter I sent him in regard to this db idea,
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| he said it was indeed interesting, but also said he wasn't sure
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| if MUFON would like to really 'contribute to it very much".. So
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| I don't know....
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| Joe, any thoughts > GA
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Joe Balsamo: This is the problem with these UFO groups...
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User 4 | !
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Joe Balsamo: there seems to be a lot of infighting, back biting and
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| information hiding...Not everyone, but just enough that it
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| makes this kind
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| of research very difficult to say the least. GA
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David/Moderator: Peter > GA
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User 4 | Do we have access to government reports of any kind , etc. Just
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| to start...,
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| the database. GA
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David/Moderator: Peter...
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| we have documents gained from the government through the
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| Freedom of Infomration Request, and Joe and I both....
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| have some extensive data of our own with which we could 'seed'
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| the database....
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| The biggest worry that bother me is all the other Projects I've
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| seen that have fallen by the wayside becuase of stuff that....
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| Joe mentioned before, the back biting and so forth, that is why
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| I've got the feeling that we should start working....
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| on our own system, and then if these other groups want to help,
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| or contribute, we can always 'modify' our layout a little bit...
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| I'd just hate to see this thing get tied up in 'Red Tape'...
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| GA
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Joe Balsamo: !
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David/Moderator: Joe > GA
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Joe Balsamo: I think that at this time, it might be good to discuss some
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| goals and try and have a plan of action by our next CO....
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User 4 | !
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Joe Balsamo: So far, the only people we have comitted to do work are the
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| 3 of us, so I don't know if we should just take the ball and
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| run or get
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| more involved, what do you guys think? GA
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David/Moderator: Peter > GA
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User 4 | We will probably break this work up.... Perhaps we can come up
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| with some
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| topics and assign some research for next CO. IE. Each topic
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| ...,
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| broken into a datastructure. GA
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David/Moderator: Joe, comments? > GA
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User 4 | !
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Joe Balsamo: That sounds fine to me...
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| do you think we should each come up with a form that might be
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| useful or what? GA
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David/Moderator: Peter > GA
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User 4 | We could all work on some heading related but seperate and add
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| them...,
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| together or all come up with a complete datastructure and
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| compare notes...,
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| by uploading each others work. Hmmm. GA
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David/Moderator: Not a bad idea...
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User 4 | !
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David/Moderator: In fact a pretty good idea, each of us could come up
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| with his own idea of the structure of the thing, ...
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| and then we could compare notes. Peter > GA
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User 4 | Since you two seem to be a little more advanced in this, maybe
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| we can...,
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| throw around some ideas for this... make a sketch.GA
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David/Moderator: Good for me...
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| Let me give you an idea of my personal database I use at home...
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User 4 | !!
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David/Moderator: ................Peter > GA
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User 4 | I just want to make sure I can get a copy of this for review. GA
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Joe Balsamo: !
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David/Moderator: Joe > GA
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User 4 | !
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Joe Balsamo: I think that Peter's idea is good. We should each come up
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| with our own database form, upload it or whatever, and then
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| next CO, we
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| can synthesize something from that...
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| ps we should make a gerneral request of the entire forum via
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| NEWS or whatever and get other ideas as well. GA
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David/Moderator: Peter > GA
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User 4 | I think getting info from others is good to, but a final
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| date...,
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| may be necessary to get it moving. We should also have a
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| general...,
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| sketch of what we are looking for - maybe an outline of records
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| and...,
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| fields. GA
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David/Moderator: Peter,...
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| as for getting a copy of this CO, Joe and I are recording it,
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| and one of us will upload a transcript of it either later
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| tonight,...
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| or tomorrow, so you'll be able to download it from the file
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| section....
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| Anyway....Joe comments > GA
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Joe Balsamo: Well, first off, I think the idea of a deadline is a good
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| one. It should be a few days before the next CO so we can be
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| prepared to
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| discuss the various formats...
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| ou think we should schedule our next CO? GA
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David/Moderator: Good idea, do yopu think 2 weeks from now would give us
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| enough time to compile together some data....anyone > GA
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User 4 | !
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David/Moderator: Peter > GA
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User 4 | Sounds fine - 2 wks. Shall we sketch it out, what you all
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| think? GA
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David/Moderator: Joe > GA
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Joe Balsamo: !
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David/Moderator: Joe > GA
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User 4 | !
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Joe Balsamo: 2 weeks is good for me...and, what, 'couple days before that
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| the deadline for the submission of ideas for the database
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| format?...
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| Perhaps you can get Neil to post this in the proper place. GA
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David/Moderator: Peter > GA
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User 4 | 2 weeks is ok for me - let me know the exact date. I was going
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| to...,
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| kid Joe he is watching Star Trek or something. GA
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Joe Balsamo: !
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David/Moderator: Joe > GA
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Joe Balsamo: I was just going to let peter in on my secret...I'm actually
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| soliciting for contributors to this meeting! GA
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David/Moderator: Joe is being a biut bothersome to others!
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| OK....
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User 4 | !
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David/Moderator: Why don't we say this, I'll act as central point here,
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| you and Joe, upload and send any messages or files about
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| this....
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| thing directly to me, I will then forward them on to the other
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| in involved. We can do this via E-mail directly to each....
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| other instead of cluttering up the FIle base here......
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| Peter > GA
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Joe Balsamo: !
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David/Moderator: Peter > GA
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User 4 | So you would like us to find some ...I am unclear as to how you
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David/Moderator: First...
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| I think we're talking about each of us working out his own idea
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| as to the structure to this database.....Joe > GA
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User 4 | !
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Joe Balsamo: David, what I would also suggest is you (being the big
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| kahuna and all :)) draft a little blurb for Neil to post...
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| This blurb would basically explain the db idea and ask for
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| group submissions to your PIN that would be the db description,
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| the form
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| if you will.
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| ga
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David/Moderator: Good enough............Peter > GA
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User 4 | Ok. So Joe, myself and David will upload our own data-structure
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| ideas...,
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| to David, and this pending post for Neil will allow others to
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| ...,
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| upload theirs to David, all due a couple days befor the next
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| CO...,
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| at whuich time it will all come together. GA
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David/Moderator: Yes....
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| I will draft a little *blurb* and see if I can talk Neil into
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| posting into the New Flash, asking each for there ideas on .....
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User 4 | !
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Joe Balsamo: !
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David/Moderator: how to basically structure this thing. In the mean
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| time, you and Joe, will upload your ideas directly to me, via
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| Peter > GA
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User 4 | I don't know about u guys, but I hate news blurbs unless they
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| are really...
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| interesting looking...maybe because I use DOS and not the
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| interfaces u ...,
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| use. It should be really eye attacting. GA
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David/Moderator: Joe > GA
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Joe Balsamo: Peter makes a good point, perhaps we should ask Neil if
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| there is any other method of letting users know what's going
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| on...BTW,
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| Peter, you may want to d/l CIM, it is a really cool program and
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| I believe the d/l is free. GA
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David/Moderator: Peter....
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User 4 | !
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David/Moderator: CIM is what we use, and it only costs $10.00, then CIS
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| give you $10.00 free usage, so its basically free. Its makes...
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| things like this much much easier!...
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| Peter > GA
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User 4 | Great! Where do I obtain it...forum.? GA
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David/Moderator: Joe, where do you get the thing?
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Joe Balsamo: It is in the CIM forum, I believe, just do GO CIM
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User 4 | !
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David/Moderator: GO CIM, that will at least tell you were to go from
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| Peter > GA
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User 4 | Thanks all. Ok. Shall we throw around some basic ideas for the
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| structure...,
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| or just do it solo and upload.......or where do we go with this
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| now.GA
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David/Moderator: Joe, care to elaborate here....GA
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Joe Balsamo: Well, I think that we may want to have the basic stuff...
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| type of encounter, date, time, location, description, number of
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| witnesses, etc. that should be good for a start...
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| the more fields we have, the more selective our data inquiries
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| will be, of course. GA
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David/Moderator: Also...
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User 4 | !!
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David/Moderator: my database system I use has a field that points to a
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| file name, to obtain more detailed info....
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| sometimes 15 or 20 pages worth....
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| Peter > GA
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User 4 | How about C.Encounter type I, II , III etc with varied fields
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| applying to...,
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| each. GA
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*SYSTEM*| Switching to Formal Conferences (R1)
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David/Moderator: OK ....
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| I uploaded to Joe, a new classifications system I found, and
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| enhanced...
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| that helps to make classifying these much easier, and you can
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| better taylor it to the type of sighting....
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| we will need to include that in the file layout, and I will
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| send the classification system to you Peter, so you have a
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| copy..GA
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User 4 | ok
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David/Moderator: Joe, comments > GA
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Joe Balsamo: !
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David/Moderator: Joe > GA
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Joe Balsamo: I believe that file is also in the library, is it not?
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| Also, the nice thing about that new system is that it also ...
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| lets one assign a factor of believability to the sighting. GA
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User 4 | !
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David/Moderator: Peter > GA
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User 4 | Ok. I will def. look at the new system. Any suggested reading
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| for these...,
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| classification methods from various UFOlogists/groups? GA
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David/Moderator: Joe, I think this guy is a minded reader!....
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| The classification system isn't in the library, but I'll upload
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| it later....
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User 4 | !
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David/Moderator: also, about the books, Joe and I have been compling a
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| must read book list, so you'll have a list as soon as we're
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| Peter > GA
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User 4 | I have also seen - in a report - a page for drawings - sky
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| drawings...,
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| or whatever a person can do as part of the report.GA
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Joe Balsamo: !
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David/Moderator: Joe > GA
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Joe Balsamo: That is an excellent point! We should consider including
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| GIFs with the reports. David has a scanner, so he could scan
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| in any 'hand
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| drawings'.GA
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User 4 | !
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David/Moderator: Peter > GA
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User 4 | Most IBM compatible scanning software I've seen uses PCX or
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| TIFF or others..,
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Joe Balsamo: !
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User 4 | like this but not GIF. !
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David/Moderator: Peter, my scanning software will alos use GIF, and let
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| me add....
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| that I can scan drawings, sketches, photos, just about
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| anything, in 256 grey scal colors. Does an excellent job on....
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| Playboy centerfolds!........Joe > GA
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User 4 | !
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Joe Balsamo: My only reason for suggesting GIF is because it is CIS's own
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| format. Theoretically, anyone with CIS can use GIF. GA
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David/Moderator: Well, I can do GIF so no prblem there.......Peter > GA
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User 4 | I downloaded GRAPHSHOP so it can handle or covert all of
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| these....,
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| No actual problem here. GA
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David/Moderator: Also....
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| I use PhotoFinish by ZSoft, and it will import, convert, save,
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| load, anything in over 20 different formats so we're set...
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| I also use OmniPage to OCR text and import it into my word
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| processor, so we can also use that feature...GA
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User 4 | !
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David/Moderator: Peter > GA
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User 4 | We have a Panasonic scanner at Optus (we develop FACSys) and
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| use Calera...,
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| for scanning needs.... so we all use great stuff. GA
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Joe Balsamo: BRB
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David/Moderator: Joes gonna check something out, he'll be back in a
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| sec....
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| This ideas of your is wonderfull, I didn't think of it, we
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| could inlude actual photographs taken from eyewitness
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| encounters....
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| my software also allow me to do some photo-analysis, which
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| would com ein handy as well....GA
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User 4 | !
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David/Moderator: Peter > GA
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User 4 | Which sort of leads us to the video... after we tie up the
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| database ideas.GA
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David/Moderator: Good point, I wouold like to discuss the video as
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| well....
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User 4 | !
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David/Moderator: Do you think we've covered enough on the DB to at least
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| start working out a format of some kind...Peter > GA
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Joe Balsamo: !
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User 4 | Yes. I will look at the system you recommended and draw on it.
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| Do you...,
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| tthink this system is good on its own? GA
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David/Moderator: Joe > GA
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Joe Balsamo: I was just thinking that we may want to participate in the
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| paranormal forum discussion on the video...what do you guys
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| think ga
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David/Moderator: Joe, bows to me....
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| Peter > GA
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User 4 | Who is doing the paranormal CO? What's the topic(s) ? GA
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David/Moderator: Joe > GA
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Joe Balsamo: OK...
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David/Moderator: Peter....
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Joe Balsamo: They are having a discussion on the NASA UFO film that was
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| shown on hardcopy, it might be interesting for us to get
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| involved in
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| their discussion. GA
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David/Moderator: the paranormal section of the Issues Forum is about to
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| have a CO on the Shuttle video, Joe and I were just
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| discussing....
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Joe Balsamo: I;m heading over there, c you guys in a bit
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User 4 | !
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David/Moderator: the possiblity of ending this CO and venturing over
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| there...what do you think......Peter > GA
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User 4 | Yes. Where is it?
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| GA
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| !
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David/Moderator: When you exit this forum, GO ISSUES, then select the
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| Paranormal section, we can meet in the CO....
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User 4 | OK
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David/Moderator: but a word of caution, there are some hard lined
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| sketptics over there that can get REALLY RUDE, so watch you
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| back....GA
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User 4 | See you there. Thanks! Ok. Good CO this one - today.
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| Shall we say bye? GA
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David/Moderator: Thanks, we can E-mail each other if you have questions,
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| or come up with some ideas....otherwise, we'll end this....
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| and meet over there....OK
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User 4 | Ok On my Bye!
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David/Moderator: Conference officially over,,, bye
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