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SUBJECT: ASSORTED THINGS FROM BILL ENGLISH & OTHERS FILE: UFO2813
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Subj: Re: Coral Castle (8/100)
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From: Michael Johnson
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To : Bill English
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Date: 03/08/91 14:34:57
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On 5 Mar 91 21:38:00 Bill English said to Peggy Noonan
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>PN>the whole thing was built by one man working alone--he said
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>PN>something about having found a secret) and I ask here
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>PN>because some people who've told me about the place make
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>a
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>PN>UFO connection...power wands and all that. If you know
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>PN>anything about it, I'd love to hear...Thanks.
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>Peggy,
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> As a kid living in Florida I and my family spent the
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>day visiting the Coral Castle. It was probibly one of the most
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>impressive place I have ever seen. With regard to the legends
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>surrounding it...well, the guide did talk of it but I think
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>that at the time I was most impressed with the gates that weighed
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>several tons, but could be opened with just the touch of a
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I also grew up in Florida and have been to the Coral Castle many times...the
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gates are constructed from old ford truck axles and the gates were hung and
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THEN balanced with a chisel made of a leaf spring.
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The huge slabs of coral were split from the rockbed with ford leaf springs
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also and the ground is still exposed and shows the marks of the tools. He used
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a tripod/lever assembly similar to an egyptian design to hoist the slabs to
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their present position. The lunar/planetary symbols atop the walls had some
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signifigance to the builder and are apparantly to be viewed from an elevated
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rock chair set into the center of the garden.
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Subj: Re: Wierd Stuff... (9/100)
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From: Bill English
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To : Dan Brown
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Date: 03/07/91 20:45:00
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In a message to Bill English <03-07-91 04:40> Dan Brown wrote:
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DB> I never say anything signifcant, but at least I do it
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DB>with consistancy! <Grin>...
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DB>
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DB> I was trying to find out of akinesia was in anyway common
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DB>in ufo related experiences. I started having (or at least
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DB>noticing it) akinesia quite regularly after having a
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DB>strange experience when I was six. I was just trying to
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DB>find out if it was common, or related so that I could check
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DB>it out as an anvenue of exploration...
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DB>
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Dan,
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Now that I know what your talking about, it appears that yes, to a certa
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in
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degree something like what you described is common to many of the UFO Experience
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that have been recorded. The most well known being that of Betty and Barney
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Hill. If you are familiar with their story, they were apparently paralised when
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the UFO interupted their journey. You will also note that in many cases the
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victims cannot move until such time as the aliens either tell them to move or
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somehow control their movement.
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I would be most interested in hearing more about your experience when
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you were six years of age. Most abduction/contact cases it seems appear to begin
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when the victim is of a very young age. If you wish to keep this slightly more
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private, I invite you to call the UFINET BBS and talk to me there.
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Kind regards,
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Bill English
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Subj: Re: Saying nasties..... (10/100)
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From: Bill English
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To : John Powell
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Date: 03/07/91 20:47:00
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<GRIN> I like your style....
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Bill..
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Subj: Re: Colrado Springs area sigh (11/100)
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From: Bill English
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To : John Powell
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Date: 03/07/91 20:49:00
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In a message to Bill English <03-05-91 20:18> John Powell wrote:
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JP>You just gave me an excellent idea! (And I don't mind
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JP>doing the work if Jym won't mind the traffic...)
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JP>
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JP>If somebody is willing to type up a form letter(s), and
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JP>post it here, I'll volunteer to be the caretaker of the
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JP>letter(s) and reply to all who ask with a pre-addressed
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JP>ready-to-print letter.
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JP>
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JP>Any takers out there on typing up a letter?
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JP>
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JP>What do you think Jym? (The traffic would only be the
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JP>replies to direct questions or to those who seem
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JP>specifically interested.)
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JP>
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John, If Jym doesn't feel that it's appropriate for the UFO echo then you can
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use the UFINET Echo.
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Bill..
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Subj: Re: Old stuff! (12/100)
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From: Bill English
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To : Jim Sanders @ 995/113
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Date: 03/07/91 21:34:00
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In a message to Bill English <03-05-91 10:06> Jim Sanders @ 995/113 wrote:
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JS>Bil,
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JS>
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JS>I have just entered this conference. I did send you one
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JS>message concerning a sighting in Northern California back
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JS>in 1957 era...
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JS>
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JS>There are two other old incidents which have never been
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JS>explained to my satisfaction. IE:
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Jim, nice to hear from you. As it happens I have a ton of old files from the
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fifties that have all kinds of case reports in them..
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JS>The Capt. Mantell P-51 sighting and chase of UFO out of
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JS>Fort Knox, Ky. The investigation reported pilot hypoxia and
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JS>crash as he was not carrying oxygen aboard. I have heard
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JS>other reports that his crash residue was "hot" with
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JS>radiation.. Any in depth on this old one.
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The Mantell case was one of the cases that APRO (Aerial Phenomenon Research
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Organization) had originally investigated. I have copies of the original investi
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gation
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reports along with the offical publicity reports concerning Mantell's crash.
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According to what I have here, a UFO was sighted on radar and several planes
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were scrambled to investigate, among them Captain Mantell. Mantell apparently
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chased the UFO successfully to a point and at the same time climbed almost to
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his aircrafts limit. According the the APRO report Mantell radioed that he was
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at the limit and was about to break off the chase when it was later reported
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by the other pilots that a beam of some type came from the UFO and grabbed his
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aircraft pulling it along at incrediable speeds. The other aricraft lost sight
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of it, however radar was able to track it for a while longer. Radio contact
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was apparently lost the moment the beam struck. AT this point the report becomes
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a little cloudy. Mantell's aircraft and his body were found shortly thereafter,
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but there is no indication from the APRO report nor from the offical Air Force
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release indicating that the wreakage was radio active.
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JS>Another was radar sigthing out of Selfridge AFB, MI.. They
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JS>scrambled an F-89 to intercept... The F-89 was able to
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JS>close and report "Had Joy" (radar contact) and the aircraft
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JS>and crew were never seen again.. wreckage or any part...
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JS>Are these two in your records ? ? ?
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JS>
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JS>Jim
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I don't seem to be able to find this one in the files, however there are several
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similar reports of this nature. Among them are several reports from the White
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Sand Missle Test Range here in New Mexico for that time period which tell of
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several missles and of chase aircraft that were taken aboard UFOs while in fligh
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t
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and never seen again. One witness to such an accurance was my father, who was
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among the elctronic tracking crew at White Sand at the time.
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Hope this answers some of your questions.
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Kind Regards,
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Bill English
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Subj: Re: Cow Blood (13/100)
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From: Bill English
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To : Curtiss Hahn
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Date: 03/09/91 00:34:00
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In a message to John Feilke <03-06-91 18:38> Curtiss Hahn wrote:
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CH>As I understand it the Lear reports were made up bu John
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CH>Lear to discredit UFO groups, is this correct ?
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Curtis, no this isn't true. I have known John personally for quite sometime,
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and although he's been known to pull a fast one occassionally in order to gauge
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a reaction he very sincerely believes the material that he has officially report
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ed
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on. John and I reach an agreement some time back that I may not necessarily
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agree with everything that he says, but I most certainly respect him. I might
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add at this point also that John's material is John's research and work, and
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not the work of others. I might also add that John most diffinently is not out
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to discredit Ufology. In his own right John has made some of his own personal
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scrafices for the work that he has done.
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Kind regards,
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Bill English
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UFINET
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Subj: Re: Hoagland's Mars (14/100)
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From: Bill English
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To : Ron Bonds
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Date: 03/09/91 00:36:00
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In a message to All <03-05-91 21:57> Ron Bonds wrote:
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RB>
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RB>Has anyone seen the Video "Hoagland's Mars" that has the
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RB>computerized graphic fly over of Cydonia? Is it worth
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RB>$29.95??
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Ron, I have the tape...it is if your interested in that particular topic.
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Bill..
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Subj: Mars (15/100)
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From: Bill English
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To : Michael Geggus
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Date: 03/09/91 00:39:00
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In a message to Boyd Naron <03-07-91 16:29> Michael Geggus wrote:
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MG>Boyd, are there any pubilshed or GIF images of the Mars
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MG>artifacts around. Reading further I am getting more and
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MG>more interested... Mike
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Mike, call the UFINET News BBS. LOog on and let me know that your there and
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I will make the GIF files that I have available for you.
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kind regards,
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Bill English
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Subj:
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From: Bill English, Dan Brown
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To : Re: Wierd Stuff...
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Date: 03/09/91 7:05:00
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> ... it appears that yes, to a certain degree something like what you
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> described is common to many of the UFO Experiences that have been
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> recorded.
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Ok, That's what I was wondering about.
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> ...Betty and Barney Hill. If you are familiar with their story...
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I've heard of them, but I haven't ready their story. I saw a 'debunker'
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movie about them long ago on late night tv, but the movie pretty much led
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the viewer to believe that they were two eggs short of a dozen... Other
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than that, I'm not familiar with them.
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> You will also note that in many cases the victims cannot move until
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> such time as the aliens either tell them to move or somehow control
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> their movement.
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At the onset of this last episode, I tried to fight against the akinesia
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(paralysis) and was becomming successful in my attempt, but as soon as I
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started making headway, it was like another wave of it hit me but this
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tntact cases it seems appear
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> to begin when the victim is of a very young age.
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Maybe I should type up something and send it your way. I'm feeling more at
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ease about discussing my experiences publicly, but privately would be much nicer
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..
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Subj: Re: Oddities (17/100)
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From: Dan Brown
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To : John Powell
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Date: 03/09/91 11:11:00
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In a message to Dan Brown <03-07-91 19:59> John Powell wrote:
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> Let's see if I've got it: The left side, bright side, headboard side,
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> would also be against a wall? The right side, dark side, foot-of-bed
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> side, was where there might have been movement?
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Uh... Can you say that fast, three times? <Grin>...
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Well, I'm getting confused here! hehe... Let me try to explain it again.
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Hopefully I'll do a better job than last time!
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I was laying across the bed at a minimal angle, about half way down the
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bed. My head slightly toward the upper right side of the bed, feet toward
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the lower right. (Laying with the left side of my head on the bed, facing
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the headboard which is against the wall.)
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From that position, with my left eye, I could see the headboard, and half
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of the wall to the right of the bed where my robe generally hangs. with the
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right eye I could see a bit more since the bed isn't obstructing my view.
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The right eye has better periphery vision due to my position. I wouldn't be
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able to see the left side of the bed, since that would be the area behind
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my head and out of my view.
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From the area behind my head, at the ledt side of the bed, is where I could
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see something moving with my periphery vision. I have good periphery vision
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as far as the angle of sight, but not in clearity, so I could not
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make out a distinct form. I could, however, sense/feel movement, behind me
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in much the same way that people are sensitive to heat, air movement, and awaren
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ess
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of a presence, but not by the actual hard sight of something.
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>> I've had similar experiences (without the eye stuff) happen with my wife
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>> asleep in the room, but could never move, or speak to wake her. Very
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>> seldom am I able to open either eye.
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> How similar? How many times?
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Similar in all points except the eye part, and being in a different position
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in the bed. On rare occassions, I find myself in a different place on the bed,
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but very seldom. As far as how mant times, well, this has been a regular thing
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since I was six years old. (about 29 years.) Up till about six months ago, this
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was a monthly episode, and now an then, it would shift to weekly for a month,
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then go back to monthly.
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>> Just the sound of blood rushing through my ears/head. Sounded like
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>> major rushing water.
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> One ear or both ears? Would you attribute this to temporarily heightened
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> hearing or to a temporary increase in your blood pressure? Which seems to
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> you to be more likely?
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Both ears... I would say that it is probably due to an increase of adrenal
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secretion causing a temporary rise in BP... I'm not a medical doctor, so my
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guess is only a guess.
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> Smell anything during or shortly after this happenned?
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Not that I remember this time. I have smelled kind of a wet paper smell crosse
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with a "hemp rope" type of smell during similar episodes. I was more caught
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up in the "eyes" thing than in smelling...
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> Did you notice your own shadow on the bed? Assuming there's a small
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> distance between the headboard and the wall, could there have been a
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> shadow there? Did you feel any external source of heat?
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No shadow that I could notice. The room was evenly lit in all directions.
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My head was about two to two and a half feet from the headboard, so I might
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not have seen a shadow if there was one...
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Heat? Yeah, but not hot heat... just the type of heat exchange you might expec
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if someone was near you.
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> Are you sure your left eye was really opened?
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Yup. I switched back and forth from left to right a few times. My left eye
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was open, and the room was bright.
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> What happenned after?
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After the episode with my eyes? or the entire thing... After the thing with
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my eyes, I noticed something was movig behind me, and I stopped using my eyes,
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shut them and stayed motionless. After that, I don't know what happened until
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I apparently woke up with the "Hemispherical perception" thing on my mind, while
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i was telling myself that I "hadn't been dreaming."
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> How did you feel physically?
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As best as I can remember, sore and awake. Like someone had been hitting
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me with a two-by-four, but it went away rather quickly.
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> What did you do afterwards?
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I got up, turned on all of the lights in the house, sat in the front room
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with a blanket over me and waited until I got the nerve to go back to bed!
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> Given your normal daily routine schedule, if you have one, how did this >
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event effect it?
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See above... <Grin>... I have no regular schedule anymore. I generally
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stay awake until I can't stay awake. Now and then when I don't feel
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watched, and I get into a realitivly normal sleeping schedule.
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>> You mean there's still hope for us old, long haired, bearded Sysops with
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>> glasses!? <Grin>...
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> Well, I don't know about that Sysop part... <grin>
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You're no help! <Grin>...
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Take care,
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Dan
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Subj: Re: Questions, Etc. (18/100)
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From: Dan Brown
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To : John Powell
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Date: 03/09/91 11:14:00
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In a message to Dan Brown <03-07-91 20:43> John Powell wrote:
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> Sure. Is 916-446-7286 your BBS? I'll give it a call, probably during the
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> daytime, and we'll work something out from there. How's that?
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Sounds good... or you can try (916)446-0347 [Voice]... I have an answering
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machine hooked up, but If I'm here I always pick it up. (Just stay on long enoug
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h
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for me to get to the phone!) <Grin>...
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Subj: Ufinet news bbs (19/100)
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From: Michael Geggus
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To : Bill English
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Date: 03/09/91 07:21:00
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Is UFInet News BBS available throught the CONNECT USA network? Just wondering..
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.....I
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did find one GIF which I uploaded here on City Lights BBS of the Face on Mars...
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..Mike
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Geggus
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Subj: Re: QUIET THOUGHTS (20/100)
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From: Tessa Hebert
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To : David Mayeux
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Date: 03/09/91 02:30:00
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MSGID: 1:106/342 4d76e648
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>What bbs in Houston did you get this information on?? I have
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>been looking for a good text file/Message base bbs on psycic
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>phen. Do you have the #?
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Hi. The bbs is Gateway Houston: 723-3981, 723-2820, 723-3619. The sysop's
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name is Donald Saxman. It's primarily a message board, but does have a Chat
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feature & games.
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The New Age board has message bases for dreams, astrology, runes/tarot, parapsyc
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hology,
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mainstream religion, general new age, and my board (which is called Heaven's
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Records). I also have 2 text files in the SHELF, which is located in the new
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age discussion message base.
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Please do drop in for a visit. I think you'll like the board. (It's user-friend
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ly
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& you can use a pseudo.)
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Subj: BACK TO FUTURE (21/100)
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From: Tessa Hebert
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To : CHRIS POULSEN
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Date: 03/09/91 02:35:00
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MSGID: 1:106/342 4d76e788
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>You are INSANE if you think Mattel developed a 'hoverboard' as
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>featured
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>in 'Back to the Future'
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Well, because my sanity is in question here, I will just have to find that artic
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that I read in a magazine. I'll go back to the library & find it & give you
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the name of the magazine & the date.
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I know it doesn't prove my sanity, but I was in the library the other day lookin
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g
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through their com
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* Origin: The Bad Connection !!! (219)663-3107 Crown Point, IN (1:230/15)
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Sub: N~UFO
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Read: (1-100), Message#21, Replies=0, [C/R]=Next Msg, ? :
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Subj: SKEPTIC? (22/100)
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From: Allen Gage
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To : All
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Date: 03/09/91 20:08:55
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after reading some of the messages posted. I am still a skiptic but don't want
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to be after a couple of nights ago. I live in the north
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east and on tuesday theragrees with me about the $295...
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but I do have your message and number archived, and will give you a call in
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a couple of weeks it I get no takers at $295...
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Thanks again for your interest!
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Jeff Lindner, SYSOP, ECMUG - BBS of the Mac Users Group in Corvallis, OR (voice
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- home) 503-928-6230 (voice - work) 503-753-9217
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Subj: CROP CIRCLES - REVISI (23/100)
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From: John Morrison
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To : Richard Bean
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Date: 03/09/91 05:54:36
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In a message to John Morrison <06 Mar 91 10:02:00> Richard Bean wrote:
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RB> In regard to the Rainbow echo, I haven't the foggiest notion. Only
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RB> the sysop knows for sure. I do not really understand just what echoes
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RB> are and how they get around. We do get lots of postings on the UFO
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RB> network from places all over North America.
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Yeah, we do to. That's why I asked, because some of the boards only carry
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the UFO echo and you may even be getting the stuff from here from somebody else
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besides us. Anyway, I was trying to find a general discussion echo that travels
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between here and Irving (area) and all I have found so far is the UFO echo and
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I don't want to clutter it up with stuff not pertaining, you know. Thanks for
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the info.
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-John
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--- [Norton] via Quickpoint XRS 3.2 (286)
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* Origin: Truth Seeker, Music Lover - Ft. Smith, AR (Quick 1:19/19.14)
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Sub: N~UFO
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Subj: Re: question (24/100)
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From: Joan Rodenbaugh
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To : Tessa Hebert
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Date: 03/09/91 10:49:26
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In a message of <Mar 07 02:12>, Tessa Hebert (1:106/9996) writes:
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TH> Hi, Joan. I'm interested in discussing some of the more
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TH> metaphysical aspects of the UFO's too. I don't understand why we
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TH> can't do so on this echo. I think especially since Whitley
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TH> Streiber's books have come out that a lot of people are ready to
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TH> talk about the "astral plane" stuff involved with the UFO's. It
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TH> puts us in the weird position of talking about UFO's on new-age
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TH> bases, where we'll probably be told to go talk about UFO's on the
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TH> UFO base. (?)
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TH>
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Hi Tessa, my feelings exactly! Why limit the UFO experience when it is so multi-
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faceted?
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I know from personal experience that some of these beings are from "other planes
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"
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of existance. I guess it's hard enough for some people to swallow the fact that
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there are UFO's at all, not to mention UFO's from outside of our physical univer
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se.
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I think Jym will let us know if we stray too far away from topic. I think he
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would rather see discussions on the other planes taken to the meta echos unless
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it has a direct link to the UFO experience. I just don't know how to avoid cross
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ing
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the line here.
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Regards,
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Joan
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--- msged 2.07
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* Origin: Joan's Point! (1:128/68.3)
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Sub: N~UFO
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Subj: Re: CROP CIRCLES (25/100)
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From: Richard Bean
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To : John Powell
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Date: 03/09/91 08:50:27
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The circles are points where a form of energy is being transferred from this
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reality to another (more advanced) one. They cannot resist a clean, blank slate
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any more than we can and have been using the whorls to create more and more
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elaborate heiroglyphs. At least one of those depicts the relationship between
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earth and heaven and God. The energy is called Forfe and is created unknowingly
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by humans, just as bees produce honey. It is the energy food of the Gods....and
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spirits.
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--- TBBS v2.1/NM
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* Origin: *Chrysalis* Multi-User (214) 349-9397 Dallas, Tx (124/4214)
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Sub: N~UFO
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Subj: Re: Clear Intent (26/100)
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From: William Ivey
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To : Bill English
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Date: 03/09/91 23:56:00
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>Unfortunately you won't find that for the most part in the supermarket
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>rags.
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A science fiction writer once told me that he was contacted once by the
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most famous of "supermarket rags" soliciting outlandish scenarios from
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him. They said if he'd write it, they'd find someone who'd swear to
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god it had actually happened to them. :-) -Wm
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--- FiFo V2.1l
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* Origin: Twilight Zone BBS 407-831-1613 (1:363/112)
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Sub: N~UFO
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Read: (1-100), Message#26, Replies=0, [C/R]=Next Msg, ? :
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Subj: Oddities (27/100)
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From: William Ivey
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To : John Powell
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Date: 03/09/91 23:56:00
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>I bet the T-shirts at the vendor kiosks are great though...
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"I Rolled Down/Up Spook Hill!" ? :-)
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Incidently, the "explanation" that my mother got years and years ago was
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that a pirate was buried there and he didn't like people driving on his
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body so he'd push you off. :-) (Pirates are Florida's stock in trade,
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of course.) -Wm
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--- FiFo V2.1l
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* Origin: Twilight Zone BBS 407-831-1613 (1:363/112)
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Sub: N~UFO
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Read: (1-100), Message#27, Replies=0, [C/R]=Next Msg, ? :
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Subj: Cow Blood (28/100)
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From: William Ivey
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To : Curtiss Hahn
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Date: 03/09/91 23:57:00
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>If the search for subsitute blood was going on for some time,
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It has been. In fact there ARE several blood substitutes on the
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market (chloroflourocarbons, for example) but they all have shortcomings
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of one kind or another (there was an article in either Science News or
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Scientific American on the subject a year or two back). Obviously, a
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substitute derived from real mammalian blood is a logical direction
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for research to take.-Wm
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--- FiFo V2.1l
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* Origin: Twilight Zone BBS 407-831-1613 (1:363/112)
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Sub: N~UFO
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Read: (1-100), Message#28, Replies=0, [C/R]=Next Msg, ? :
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Subj: SIGHTINGS (29/100)
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From: William Ivey
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To : Chris Poulsen
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Date: 03/09/91 23:58:00
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>are there any physicists out there who have any theory what force
|
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>would cause a car to 'play dead' without any permanent damage?
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Well, these aren't forces, but they can shut down a car yet leave it
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apparently unharmed and startable after a few minutes.
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Vapor lock. As the engine cools, the fuel vapor will condense and allow
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the car to start. In this case, the starter will still work.
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Battery damage. There are several places in the batter/electrical
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system where a temporary loose connection can occur. Like vapor lock,
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this can be temperature related and self correcting.
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Voltage regulator. An electromechanical voltage regulator can have a
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sticky contact plate. Repeated attempts at starting might jog it loose.
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Starter solenoid and relay. This would allow headlights, etc. to work,
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but would keep the car from starting.
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Fuel pump. Can cause surging and eventual stopping. After several
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minutes the car can restart and act as if nothing is wrong (for
|
|
awhile). This one actually happened to me on I-10 in west Texas one
|
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night - the pump finally failed over 1000 miles later.
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|
More mundane than UFOs, but you've got to rule these and a few others
|
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out first.-Wm
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--- FiFo V2.1l
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* Origin: Twilight Zone BBS 407-831-1613 (1:363/112)
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Sub: N~UFO
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Read: (1-100), Message#29, Replies=2, [C/R]=Next Msg, ? :
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Subj: Re: Oddities (30/100)
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From: William Ivey
|
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To : Dan Brown
|
|
Date: 03/10/91 12:00:00
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>The room just seem to be lit up all over. I couldn't see any shadows
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>like you'd see if someone cam in and turned the light on. It was a
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>uniform light.
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|
|
The more you describe this, the more familiar it sounds. Beaucoup de
|
|
deja vu! The light was even as though the room were lit by lots of
|
|
flourescent tubes, right? (The brain as image processor, eh? :-)
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|
|
One of the strangest versions of this that I had was lying in bed
|
|
watching the ceiling of my room open up to reveal a huge, cavernous
|
|
space filled with H.R. Geiger-style machines. The blend of reality
|
|
and dream was flawless - I could see the hinges on the ceiling
|
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sections.
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|
The prettiest version was "waking" up to see a fairy-like creature
|
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sitting on the edge of my reading lamp - lovely butterfly-style
|
|
wings. As I came more awake, she faded out smoothely. Cute! :-)
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|
|
There were several others over a period of a couple of years, but
|
|
not recently. BTW, I tend to dream vividly with solid plots and
|
|
characterizations, I don't know if that has any bearing on it -
|
|
do you have vivid dreams?-Wm
|
|
--- FiFo V2.1l
|
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* Origin: Twilight Zone BBS 407-831-1613 (1:363/112)
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Sub: N~UFO
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|
Read: (1-100), Message#30, Replies=0, [C/R]=Next Msg, ? :
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Subj: Group Insanity Or Contagious Insanity (31/100)
|
|
From: John Hicks
|
|
To : Peggy Noonan
|
|
Date: 03/09/91 21:38:02
|
|
|
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|
|
REPLY: 1:104/602 4d75b7dc
|
|
> BTW, did you see the CIS message asking for sources for
|
|
> GIF pix of UFOs and info on area 51 or S-4 (I don't know what
|
|
> S-4 is)? It was an inquiry from #76050,2657.
|
|
I missed it. Lots of info can be gained from recent issues of UFO Magazine,
|
|
in which there was an article on Bob Lazar.
|
|
S-4 is supposedly one of the supersecret areas of Nellis AFB test range in
|
|
which the Air Force is flying saucers.
|
|
|
|
jbh
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|
|
|
--- FD 1.99c
|
|
* Origin: UFINET//PARANET//MUFONET (407)649-4136 (1:363/29)
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Sub: N~UFO
|
|
Read: (1-100), Message#31, Replies=0, [C/R]=Next Msg, ? :
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Subj: Hoagland's Mars (32/100)
|
|
From: John Hicks
|
|
To : Ron Bonds
|
|
Date: 03/09/91 21:52:03
|
|
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|
|
REPLY: 1:133/405 3295ee52
|
|
> Has anyone seen the Video "Hoagland's Mars" that has the
|
|
> computerized graphic fly over of Cydonia? Is it worth $29.95??
|
|
|
|
Where can I get it?
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|
jbh
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|
|
--- FD 1.99c
|
|
* Origin: UFINET//PARANET//MUFONET (407)649-4136 (1:363/29)
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Sub: N~UFO
|
|
Read: (1-100), Message#32, Replies=0, [C/R]=Next Msg, ? :
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Subj: Crotans ? (33/100)
|
|
From: John Hicks
|
|
To : Curtiss Hahn
|
|
Date: 03/09/91 21:53:04
|
|
|
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|
|
REPLY: 1:106/1999@fidonet 1665a18e
|
|
> I don't remember the exact word found on the pole but it was
|
|
> almost the same as the name of a local indian tribe that just
|
|
> happened to be hostile.
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|
Croatan.
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|
|
--- FD 1.99c
|
|
* Origin: UFINET//PARANET//MUFONET (407)649-4136 (1:363/29)
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|
|
Sub: N~UFO
|
|
Read: (1-100), Message#33, Replies=0, [C/R]=Next Msg, ? :
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Subj: Old stuff! (34/100)
|
|
From: John Hicks
|
|
To : Jim Sanders
|
|
Date: 03/09/91 22:04:05
|
|
|
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|
|
> The Capt. Mantell P-51 sighting and chase of UFO out of Fort
|
|
> Knox, Ky.
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|
|
|
I've also read that the wreckage was riddles with lots of small holes. No
|
|
idea if that's true.
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|
|
|
> Another was radar sigthing out of Selfridge AFB, MI.. They
|
|
> scrambled an F-89 to intercept... The F-89 was able to close and
|
|
> report "Had Joy" (radar contact) and the aircraft and crew were
|
|
> never seen again.. wreckage or any part...
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|
|
|
Don't know about that one. Here's a similar incident.
|
|
Sometime in late 1989 (I think), literally thousands of people saw a huge
|
|
triangular ufo cross the island of Puerto Rico. At some point, a large number
|
|
of people saw two F-14s orbiting the object.
|
|
The F-14s, one by one, flew inside and never came back out.
|
|
Jorge Martin will be speaking about that incident at the MUFON Symposium in
|
|
Chicago. I've never seen the story published.
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|
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jbh
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|
|
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--- FD 1.99c
|
|
* Origin: UFINET//PARANET//MUFONET (407)649-4136 (1:363/29)
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Sub: N~UFO
|
|
Read: (1-100), Message#34, Replies=0, [C/R]=Next Msg, ? :
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Subj: Off-line readers (35/100)
|
|
From: John Hicks
|
|
To : Jym Fox
|
|
Date: 03/09/91 22:06:06
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|
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REPLY: 1:370/530 4d72a72c
|
|
> Peggy,see if you can get this sysop to use XRS or Silver Express
|
|
> and help you set it up. You can then reply to messages at your
|
|
> leasure off-line.
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|
|
|
I've suggested that. I think Bryon's running it, if Peggy can get the echos
|
|
she wants there.
|
|
Unfortunately, my mail processor won't cooperate with it.
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|
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|
jbh
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|
|
|
--- FD 1.99c
|
|
* Origin: UFINET//PARANET//MUFONET (407)649-4136 (1:363/29)
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|
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Sub: N~UFO
|
|
Read: (1-100), Message#35, Replies=0, [C/R]=Next Msg, ? :
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Subj: Gov. (36/100)
|
|
From: John Hicks
|
|
To : Bill English
|
|
Date: 03/09/91 22:09:07
|
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> However! It isn't just the flying wing configuaration
|
|
> that is part of the Stealth technology as I understand it, but
|
|
> rather it's construction..
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You got it. A wing is more stealthy than conventional design, but the real
|
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key to stealth is materials and coatings.
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jbh
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--- FD 1.99c
|
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* Origin: UFINET//PARANET//MUFONET (407)649-4136 (1:363/29)
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Sub: N~UFO
|
|
Read: (1-100), Message#36, Replies=0, [C/R]=Next Msg, ? :
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Subj: Re: Congress (37/100)
|
|
From: John Hicks
|
|
To : Bill English
|
|
Date: 03/09/91 22:13:08
|
|
|
|
|
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> No this is not true. Carter made the comment at one time that he
|
|
> has seen a UFO and that'a all..
|
|
|
|
I vaguely recall Carter saying that he'd release info, but he didn't make
|
|
any big deal about it. I think it came back to haunt him as soon as he said
|
|
it.
|
|
The MUFON investigation conclusion was that Carter and the others had been
|
|
watching Venus.
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|
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|
jbh
|
|
|
|
--- FD 1.99c
|
|
* Origin: UFINET//PARANET//MUFONET (407)649-4136 (1:363/29)
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Sub: N~UFO
|
|
Read: (1-100), Message#37, Replies=0, [C/R]=Next Msg, ? :
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Subj: Crop circles (38/100)
|
|
From: John Hicks
|
|
To : John Powell
|
|
Date: 03/09/91 22:16:09
|
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REPLY: 1:19/19.19 27d441d9
|
|
Bruce Maccabee has suggested that we call the formations "agriglyphs," in
|
|
the same way that rock carvings are petroglyphs. Sounds good to me.
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jbh
|
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|
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--- FD 1.99c
|
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* Origin: UFINET//PARANET//MUFONET (407)649-4136 (1:363/29)
|
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|
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Sub: N~UFO
|
|
Read: (1-100), Message#38, Replies=0, [C/R]=Next Msg, ? :
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Subj: New to this... (39/100)
|
|
From: John Hicks
|
|
To : John Moore
|
|
Date: 03/09/91 22:23:10
|
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|
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|
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>
|
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> Hello, I was scanning through the echos and found this
|
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> one .. but at the risk of sounding naive.. I dont want to jump
|
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> in to a converation and then reallizing that I was in over my
|
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> head..
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|
A few books. The UFO Casebook, by Kevin Randle, will give you a good overview
|
|
..
|
|
Clear Intent, by Fawcett and Greenwood, on purported government coverups. Intrud
|
|
ers,
|
|
by Budd Hopkins, on the abduction phenomenon. Confrontations, by Jacques Vallee,
|
|
for the...opinion from left field, but makes about as much sense than anything
|
|
else.
|
|
The Gulf Breeze Sightings, by Ed and Frances Walters, is the current bone
|
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of contention for argumentive types. Those will get you started.
|
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Periodicals I'd suggest are the MUFON Journal and UFO Magazine. Don't waste
|
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your money on UFO Universe.
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No comments from the peanut gallery now..... ;-)
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jbh
|
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--- FD 1.99c
|
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* Origin: UFINET//PARANET//MUFONET (407)649-4136 (1:363/29)
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Sub: N~UFO
|
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Read: (1-100), Message#39, Replies=0, [C/R]=Next Msg, ? :
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Subj: New to this... (40/100)
|
|
From: John Hicks
|
|
To : John Moore
|
|
Date: 03/09/91 22:25:11
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|
|
Also almost essential to keeping current is the UFO Newsclipping Service.
|
|
It's worth every cent. Ads for the service are in the mags.
|
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|
jbh
|
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|
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--- FD 1.99c
|
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* Origin: UFINET//PARANET//MUFONET (407)649-4136 (1:363/29)
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Sub: N~UFO
|
|
Read: (1-100), Message#40, Replies=0, [C/R]=Next Msg, ? :
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Subj: Boston- March 6 1991- 2:55 am (41/100)
|
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From: John Hicks
|
|
To : Chris Kane
|
|
Date: 03/09/91 22:27:12
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> I dont have THE scoop on this, but here's the lowdown..
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This sounds like it's connected to the "meteor" sightings. I saw a quoted
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AP report in which airline pilots reported to the FAA that the "meteor" was
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hovering over NYC, and LIUFON has a report of a similar incident on Long Island.
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jbh
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Sub: N~UFO
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Subj: cows blood for human use (42/100)
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From: John Hicks
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To : John Powell
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Date: 03/09/91 22:31:13
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REPLY: 1:19/19.19 27d58731
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> Somehow I don't think the Mary Lou's, Peggy Sue's and Billy
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> Bob's of the world are anywhere near prepared...
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I think you're absolutely right. I've known intelligent adults who haven't
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read a book or newspaper, or even listened to TV news in *years*.
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It's very difficult to me to understand how they can be so totally unintereste
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d
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in anything but their own little world.
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jbh
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--- FD 1.99c
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* Origin: UFINET//PARANET//MUFONET (407)649-4136 (1:363/29)
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Sub: N~UFO
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Subj: RE: PHENOMENA (PART I) (43/100)
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From: Scott Ecker
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To : William Ivey
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Date: 03/09/91 22:19:38
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SE>Contagious insanity is "not uncommon"?!?
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> Nope. There are countless variations on the theme...
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Disregarding the term "insanity", I understand more clearly your suggestion.
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> Anxiety, fear and stress can easily be generated internally for many
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> reasons...
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True, but without individual case study, has no generalized bearing.
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> - the need to create something special in one's life is not outside
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> the realm of possibility. Nor is the creation of a totally imaginary
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> past event to justify a current but irrational stress response
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> unknown.
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But herein lies one very tremendous problem: The imagery. Why are there no
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Ewoks, Storm-troopers, E.T.s, Klingons, Yodas, and the other thousands of
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prevelent alien archetypes? Why no cute, friendly beings as depicted in
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_Close Encounters_? Where are the lightsabers, X-Wing fighers, Enterprises,
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laser guns, and so many of the other heavily reinforced images? If the
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unconcious mind were to concoct some fantastic episode of alien abduction to
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bring feelings of specialness or to "justify an irrational stress response",
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surely the doctrines of _Star Trek_ would hold more ground than the
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relatively unknown images of floating through windows, sterile white rooms,
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strange tables, exacting medical proceedures, bizarre (and often repeated)
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instruments, little gray men, and so on. The arguement "but there have been
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so many books, and television programs about abductions" could be offered,
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but judging from my own conversations with friends and aquaintances, I doubt
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the average person knows much, if anything, about the experience, and
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certainly not the finer aspects.
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SE>However, in the context of abduction experiences, there is no proven,
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SE>evidence-supported mundane theory of solution,
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> On the contrary, there are usually alternate explanations. For
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> example, in the case of Betty Hill, her psychologist maintained
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> that her experience was based on elaborated fantasies that were
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> probably the result of sublimated stress in her life.
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There was surely a great ammount of stress for the Hills, being part of an
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interracial marriage back in that period of time. But to rely solely upon
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internally-generated theory is to ignore the physical elements involved in
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the Hill abduction claim (spots on the car, stopped watches, etc.).
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Dr. Simon's opinion likely reflected a conservative view, for I doubt that a
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psychiatrist who valued his reputation and career would advocate the
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abduction of humans by extraterrestial entities based upon the meager amount
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of information available at that time. He would have been laughed right out
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into the street by his peers. And as you must know, psychology is home to
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numerous differing theories and stances, so the opinion of one individual
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cannot totally refute (or substantiate for that matter) the validity of the
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Hill's claims.
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(continued next message...)
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--- TMail v1.17
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* Origin: West Coast Pyro Board (209 661-5355) (1:205/45)
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Sub: N~UFO
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Subj: RE: PHENOMENA (PART II) (44/100)
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From: Scott Ecker
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To : William Ivey
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Date: 03/09/91 22:20:38
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> The child who is beaten, contrary to what you seem to think, often
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> seeks to administer violence as an adult - they do not fear violence,
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> per se. This is such a well known connection I'm surprised you don't
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> seem to be aware of it.
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My attempt to illustrate an external stimulus-fear response was rather poor,
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I concede, however, you should understand the idea I suggest. A clearer
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example might be this: On several occasions in my youth, about age five or
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six, I witnessed (or at least *thought* I witnessed) a small, semicircular,
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red colored object eminating from the window sill in my bedroom at night, and
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I can guarantee you that the resulting fear had nothing whatsoever to do with
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thrill-seeking, nor any internal stresses, nor needs of any kind.
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SE>And the UFO abductee, who has been exposed to some form of trauma (be
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SE>it physical or phychological),
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> No doubt tre is a trauma in many cases, but it need not be assumed to
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> be an abduction by aliens even when that is what is claimed by the
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> person involved.
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Should we assume then, given an apparently normal, well adjusted person
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claiming such an experience, that there is nothing to worry about; nothing
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which warrants investigation or further scrutiny beyond simply saying
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"imaginary experience" and moving right along?
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SE>Your statement about fear is much to general, and does not account for
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SE>many physiological effects (scars, rashes, bloody noses, etc.)
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> Not directly, but as part of a total psychological picture, it does.
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> Rashes, bloody noses, etc. can be stress-induced...
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See the previous arguement concerning the availability of abduction imagery.
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> ...and scars, in the absence of other convincing evidence, are
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> ambiguous. (I have a strange scar on my hand at the moment. I don't
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> know how it got there - could have been aliens, I suppose, but since
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> I first noticed it some time after repairing a fence, the more
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The scars to which I refer are anything but ambiguous, and are, quite to the
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contrary, of very precise design. One of the more common--a round scoop-like
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mark appearing on the thigh or calf--seems, to me, more than coincidental
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when found so often upon abduction claimants. So far as "in the abscence of
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other convincing evidence," I disagree wholeheartedly, and would refer you to
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_Missing Time_, _Intruders_, _The Octover Scenario_, _Confrontations_, etc.
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for further assistance.
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Best Regards,
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Scott
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--- TMail v1.17
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* Origin: West Coast Pyro Board (209 661-5355) (1:205/45)
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Sub: N~UFO
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Subj: Back To Future (45/100)
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From: Daniel Osborn
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To : Tessa Hebert
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Date: 03/10/91 08:37:00
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> Okay, I'll get back to you too as soon as I find the magazine
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> article about the hoverboard being a toy created by Mattel but not
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> marketed because of the danger.
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As a joke the producer of the film said, in a promotional "behind the scenes
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interview" that the board was real and that it had to be taken off the market
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because it was too dangerous. I saw the promo and said to my wife at the time
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that his demeanor was such that people were going to take him seriously. IT
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WAS ONLY A JOKE!!! He said several other things that made it obvious that he
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was joking. Don't be so gullible, it is WORSE than being insane! :-)
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--- FD 2.00
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* Origin: The Emerald City-Westminster, CO (1:104/214)
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Sub: N~UFO
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Subj: Re: Stealth (46/100)
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From: Bill English
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To : William Ivey
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Date: 03/09/91 02:01:00
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In a message to Bill English <03-06-91 23:33> William Ivey wrote:
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WI>You just weren't paying attention. There's nothing
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WI>radically new in the
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WI>stealth planes, it's all based on materials and techniques
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WI>that have
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WI>long, and well publicized histories. The only really "new"
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WI>thing is
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WI>bringing them all together into a single airframe (most of
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WI>the
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WI>technology appears discretely in other fighters, both US
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WI>and foreign).
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WI>(In fact, you can buy some of it at your local hobby
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ATZ
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OK
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ATH
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OK
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Read: (1-100), Message#55, Replies=0, [C/R]=Next Msg, ? :46
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Subj: Re: Stealth (46/100)
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From: Bill English
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To : William Ivey
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Date: 03/09/91 02:01:00
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In a message to Bill English <03-06-91 23:33> William Ivey wrote:
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WI>You just weren't paying attention. There's nothing
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WI>radically new in the
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WI>stealth planes, it's all based on materials and techniques
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WI>that have
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WI>long, and well publicized histories. The only really "new"
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WI>thing is
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WI>bringing them all together into a single airframe (most of
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WI>the
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WI>technology appears discretely in other fighters, both US
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WI>and foreign).
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WI>(In fact, you can buy some of it at your local hobby
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WI>shop!)-Wm
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If your refering to the honeycomb construction then your correct, however as
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far as I know there still wasn't any real research with regard to bringing it
|
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all together. Of course you may be right and I might not have been paying attent
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ion.
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But then I thought perhaps I was...unless of course I was in the bathroom during
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that particular class...<grin>
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Kind regards,
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Bill English
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--- QuickBBS 2.64 (Eval)
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* Origin: UFINET News BBS (505)682-3450 9010/14 (1:308/100)
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Sub: N~UFO
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Subj: Re: Interesting! (47/100)
|
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From: Bill English
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To : Dale Anderson
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Date: 03/09/91 02:02:00
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In a message to Bill English <03-06-91 08:32> Dale Anderson wrote:
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DA> BE> General Markov's statements to the press. Additionally
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DA>I also have
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DA>
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DA> BE> world <grin>. I might add that General Markov is the
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DA>Russian Air
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DA> BE> Force Aor Defence Minister.
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DA>
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DA>Bill,
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DA> Are these computer files and are they available for
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DA>download? Thanks much.
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Not yet, I am still trying to scrap the money together for a hand scanner, but
|
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they can be in short order...
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Bill..
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--- QuickBBS 2.64 (Eval)
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Sub: N~UFO
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Subj: Re: Far Journeys (48/100)
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From: Bill English
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To : Dale Anderson
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|
Date: 03/09/91 02:04:00
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In a message to Bill English <03-06-91 23:00> Dale Anderson wrote:
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DA>Whitley Strieber mentions it in an interview with the
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DA>author of
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DA>'Report On Communion'. It is based on what he calls the
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DA>'neoteny' concept.
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|
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Interesting. Whitley's material paralells alot of other material as well. MOst
|
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notiable among these is tyhe Christa Tilton Case.
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Bill..
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--- QuickBBS 2.64 (Eval)
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Sub: N~UFO
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Subj: Re: phili. exper (49/100)
|
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From: Bill English
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|
To : Gus Giudici
|
|
Date: 03/09/91 02:19:00
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|
|
|
In a message to Bill English <03-07-91 20:28> Gus Giudici wrote:
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GG> Hi Bill,
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GG> Well,ya know what Sgt.Friday sez,I'm for that.
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GG>However.it's interestting that you still give Moore his due
|
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GG>for those two books,do you belive that stuff at the end of
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GG>Philla. Experi. about Franklin Reno? It seems to me if we
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GG>accept that as truth,then Moore solved the mystery and
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GG>anything else is just goverment suppresion of the facts.
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I'll give credit where it is due. Especially if someone did a good job. As for
|
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Franklin Reno, well...to be honest with you I haven't given it much thought
|
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since my priorities have been in other areas.
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GG> By the way,do you know if there is a hard copy
|
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GG>of Moore's presentation in Las Veagas,I understand that's
|
|
GG>when and were he came out with the disinformation info.
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GG>
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GG>(sorry if this is all old news Bill,but I've never had the
|
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GG> oppertunity to ask these questions.)
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Yes there is a hard copy of Bill's speech at the 89 MUFON conference and I happe
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n
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to have one here. Unfortunately it is copyrighted material and I cannot place
|
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it on the system for download. I would suggest that you contact Bill at his
|
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office in LA and order one. I'll have to dig into my files and get the address
|
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for you, but I will post it.
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GG> I had read that APRO had a taped interview with Allende,
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GG>do you know if it's available?
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I don't know if there is still a copy of the tape available. All of the APRO
|
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files were placed in storage when Coral Lorenzen passed away and as I understand
|
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it they suffered a great deal of damage. The International Center for UFO Studie
|
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s
|
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in Scottdale, Az has managed to get those files and have been in the process
|
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of restoring what they can for public access. I'll try and find their address
|
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and number for you and post that also.
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GG> Hynek could do no wrong,Hynek is GOD!
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GG> (or with God as the case may be.)
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GG> (just a personel observation,nuff said)
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None of us are gods or should be even compaired as such. Although I disagreed
|
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with Hynek, I did and still do respect him and what he did in later life.
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--- QuickBBS 2.64 (Eval)
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* Origin: UFINET News BBS (505)682-3450 9010/14 (1:308/100)
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Sub: N~UFO
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Subj: Re: phili. exper (50/100)
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From: Bill English
|
|
To : Gus Giudici
|
|
Date: 03/09/91 02:22:00
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continued from last message:
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I didn't mean to end the last message so abruptly, but I hit the wrong keys...it
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's
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late
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GG> Thanks for the info on MUFON and the sources for current
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GG>literature,and I'll be sending out that letter to UFINET
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GG>shortly.Once agin,I really do apreciate your replies,before
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GG>I learned how to crank up this old XT,I didn't know there
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GG>were so many folks out there to converse with on this
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GG>subject.
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GG>
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It's my pleasure to be able to help any and all who want to know. For those
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just learning the in's and out's, none of this is old information. And yes there
|
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are a lot of us out here...
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Take care,
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Bill English
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--- QuickBBS 2.64 (Eval)
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Sub: N~UFO
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Subj: Re: Wierd Stuff... (51/100)
|
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From: Bill English
|
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To : Jym Fox
|
|
Date: 03/09/91 02:25:00
|
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|
|
|
In a message to Dan Brown <03-05-91 21:09> Jym Fox wrote:
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JF>DB>Sometimes in
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JF>DB>> this business you get caught with your pants down
|
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JF>around your ankles and
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JF>DB>> you seem to have caught me..<grin>
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JF>DB>
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JF>DB> What a picture that conjures up! Hehe...
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JF>DB>
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JF>
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JF>I don't know Dan....it's sorta like I always picture Bill
|
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JF><grin>.
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JF>
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JF> Jym
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Jym, This may be the wrong echo for this comment...But God will get you for
|
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that !
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Bill..
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--- QuickBBS 2.64 (Eval)
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Subj: Re: Far Journeys (52/100)
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From: Bill English
|
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To : Jym Fox
|
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Date: 03/09/91 02:26:00
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In a message to Wood Mage <03-06-91 14:35> Jym Fox wrote:
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JF>James can show you which echos are great for the Astral
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JF>Planes. There are some NEW echos comming over to us on
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JF>FidoNet fronm the PODS network which deal with just this
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JF>subject.....
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JF> Jym
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JF>ps....This echo is NEVER safe <grin>.
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Ain't that the truth...
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Bill..
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--- QuickBBS 2.64 (Eval)
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Subj: Re: Bagdhad UFO's (53/100)
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From: Bill English
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To : Steve Arringdale
|
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Date: 03/09/91 02:29:00
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In a message to John Hrusovszky <03-06-91 14:20> Steve Arringdale wrote:
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SA>Well, although the message wasn't directed this way, I'm
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SA>going to make a short reply... Near as I can tell, there
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SA>were at least two confirmed sightings over bagdhad in the
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SA>first day or two of the air war. Peter Arnett and the two
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SA>other CNN reporters saw two objects. One of which they
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SA>identified as some form of helicopter, yet it made
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SA>absolutely no noise. Now, it seems funny to me that they
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SA>could ID the air-craft, at night, during all the combat,
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SA>yet still hear no noise coming from it. THe second one flew
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SA>directly over the Al Rashid hotel and "Lit up the entire
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SA>sky" to quote one of the reporters. This air-craft also
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SA>made no noise at all.. I believe those were the UFO's that
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SA>were reffered to.. any other ones, I don't know about, but
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SA>these two sightings were reported live before the Iraqi
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SA>military began censoring the reports.... Isn;t it
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SA>interesting what you hear when reporters are allowed to
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SA>give the public the 'play by play' of whats going on?
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SA>
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Steve, if you can get the UFINET Echo read the article from the "Weekly World
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Spews" that I placed in there. It's entertaining to say the least..
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Bill English
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Sub: N~UFO
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Subj: Re: KECKSBURG UFO (54/100)
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From: Bill English
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To : Kirk Shorting
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Date: 03/10/91 00:39:00
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In a message to Bill English <03-08-91 10:25> Kirk Shorting wrote:
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KS> Thanks Bill, but I don;t have downloading capability at
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KS>the moment. My education will have to wait.
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KS> Later,....
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KS>
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No p[roblem Kirk. When your able just call the UFINET system and let me know
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your there...
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Bill..
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Sub: N~UFO
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Subj: Re: Wierd Stuff... (55/100)
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From: Bill English
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To : Dan Brown
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Date: 03/10/91 00:41:00
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In a message to Bill English <03-09-91 07:05> Dan Brown wrote:
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DB> Maybe I should type up something and send it your way.
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DB>I'm feeling more at ease about discussing my experiences
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DB>publicly, but privately would be much nicer.
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Dan, that would be most satisfactory. Anything that you write or say will of
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course be kept in the strictest confidence.
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Bill..
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Sub: N~UFO
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Subj: Re: That damn Cooper again. (56/100)
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From: Bill English
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To : Harrison Hopper
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Date: 03/10/91 00:43:00
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In a message to Bill English <03-05-91 21:52> Harrison Hopper wrote:
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HH> Read what Cannon has to say about Cooper in letters to
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HH>the editor in the latest MUFON Journal. You'll like it.
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HH>
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HH>
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HH> :::hop
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HH>
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I am supposed to be a member of MUFON but I have yet gotten my membership card
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or a copy of the journal. Perhaps you can up load the story to me or send it
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snailmail..
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PLEASE.....HUH!...
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Bill..
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Subj: Re: Lost colony (57/100)
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From: Bill English
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To : Jim Sanders @ 995/113
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Date: 03/10/91 00:46:00
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In a message to Bill English <03-08-91 14:23> Jim Sanders @ 995/113 wrote:
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JS>Bill,
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JS>
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JS>I have seen a thread which refers to the "Lost Colony of
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JS>Roanoke" or such..
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JS>
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JS>Have an item which may interest you...
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JS>
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JS>I the vacinity of Sneedville, Tenn. are remmants of a group
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JS>of people called Malungeons (sp?). They were supposedly
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JS>settled in this area BEFORE Boone or any of the others
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JS>crossed to the west...
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JS>
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JS>Some now say they are descendents of the lost colony and
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JS>other say shipwrecked Portugese sailors... They are not
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JS>Amerindians
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JS>
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JS>Have you anything on this mystery???
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Jim, unfortunately the only thing that I know about it is what I have read in
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history class. And at that I didn't do very well because I refered to it as
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the Smith Town Colony...Sheesh!
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Bill..
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Subj: Re: Ufinet news bbs (58/100)
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From: Bill English
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To : Michael Geggus
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Date: 03/10/91 00:47:00
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In a message to Bill English <03-09-91 07:21> Michael Geggus wrote:
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MG>Is UFInet News BBS available throught the CONNECT USA
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MG>network? Just wondering.......I did find one GIF which I
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MG>uploaded here on City Lights BBS of the Face on
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MG>Mars.....Mike Geggus
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MG>
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Hmmmm...good question. I don't really know if it is or not. If anyone would
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care to give me the information about how this might be done, I would appreciate
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it.
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Bill..
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Sub: N~UFO
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Subj: Re: KECKSBURG UFO (59/100)
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From: Bill English
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To : Lynn Curtis
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Date: 03/10/91 00:55:00
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In a message to Bill English <03-08-91 13:04> Lynn Curtis wrote:
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LC>Hello Bill!
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LC>
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LC> I saw you logged onto my board and I've upgraded your
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LC>access anytime you wish to call feel free.
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LC>
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LC> It has been a long time since I've delved into my
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LC>fascination and need-to-know of UFOs. It's been about 3
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LC>1/2 years maybe 4.
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LC>
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LC> Do you have a complete files listing for all of your
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LC>UFO-related files? I've got some catching up to do and
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LC>would appreciate a look-see at what all you have.
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LC>
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LC>Thanks,
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LC> Lynn
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Lynn, we have a problem here. I HAVE NOT called your BBS. If someone has logged
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onto your system using my name I would suggest that you dump them immediately,
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or at least question them as to their identity. It may be that they have the
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same first and last name as I do. If they state that they are me then they are
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lying. Once we get this little matter starightened out I will be most happy
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to call your system. You of course are always welcome here at UFINET News BBS.
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Yes I do have a complete files listing, freq the file "ALLFILES.BBS"
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Kind regards,
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Bill English
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UFINET
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Sub: N~UFO
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Subj: Re: Back to Future (60/100)
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From: Larry Mears
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To : Chakko Ohye
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Date: 03/08/91 13:51:55
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In a message of <05 Mar 91 00:06:00>, Chakko Ohye writes :
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> I don't know anything about the Philadelphia Experiment Book. I
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> saw the movie (If it's the same topic?). But a hover board, I think,
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> would be possible with electricity. When current is passed through
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> wires a magnetic field gets created (induced), like an electro-magnet.
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> So, just get two magnets (like doughnut shaped ones) and put them
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> on top of each other so that they repel each other and one will hover
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> over the other magnet. I'm sure the same thing could be re-created
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> using electro-magnet type devices which were designed so that the
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> magnetic fields from each one would align up in the right way.
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If you did that you would have to run around with one set of
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magnets on a seperate board for the other board to oppose. The
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thing Brown was doing is different. Just read the book you'll
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enjoy it. ...LGM
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--- KramMail v3.10
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* Origin: Gateway - Hunstville, Al. - (205) 880-7723 *HST* (1:373/2.0)
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Sub: N~UFO
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Subj: COVER UP (61/100)
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From: John Hicks
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To : CHRIS POULSEN
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Date: 03/10/91 12:15:05
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> It's obviously some trickster with a HeNe LASER. I have one and
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> could
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> easily pull the same prank if I wanted to. LASERS are easily
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> obtainable, and a fairly powerful one can be had for under $300.
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OK, do it in a clear sky too. Without any beam being visible.
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jbh
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--- FD 1.99c
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* Origin: UFINET//PARANET//MUFONET (407)649-4136 (1:363/29)
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Sub: N~UFO
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Subj: Re: SORRY (62/100)
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From: John Hicks
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To : Peggy Noonan
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Date: 03/10/91 12:18:06
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> Thanks for the tip on how to use the quote-from-message F3 tool.
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> I'll give that a try. No, I hadn't used the QuickEd full-
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What you saw was QuickEd, by Dror Tirosh. It's the fullscreen editor I was
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referring to. F3 turns on and off the quote window, enter quotes a line, and
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Ctrl-Z saves the message.
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The other is the common line editor, in which you work line by line.
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You must be able to use ANSI.SYS and have graphics turned on at the bbs end
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in order to use QuickEd. If you could use it once, you have it all set up at
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your end.
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jbh
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--- FD 1.99c
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* Origin: UFINET//PARANET//MUFONET (407)649-4136 (1:363/29)
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Sub: N~UFO
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Subj: Interesting! (63/100)
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From: Dan Thompson
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To : Bill English
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Date: 03/10/91 01:32:00
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Hi Bill,
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I noticed in a message to you from Dale Anderson, that he was
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quoting a message that you had apparently sent to me, re: concerning
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the radio station WWCR post that I put on here several days ago,
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subject: Interesting.
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I didn't receive a message from you so I'll have to assume that
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it was "lost in the mail". Could you kindly re-post.
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Thanks a lot,
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Dan
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--- W2Q v1.47 [Eval]
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* Origin: The NightOwl BBS (614)655-2455 (1:2220/50)
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Sub: N~UFO
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Subj: Philly Experiment (64/100)
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From: Billy Pietschman
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To : Gus Giudici
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Date: 03/09/91 21:42:00
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Hi! Ok--I have copies of my dads Seamans papers here in fromt of me...
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I cant find any reference to Lipshiz(sp?) but I remember him mentioning
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that--now I think that they were a supplier of food/supplies that they
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dealt with--it been a lot of years.I have a paprer here from the US
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Coast Guard--Dated Jul 30 1945 and he did graduate at Sheepshead Bay,
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NY. And another letter from the LUCKENBACH STEAMSHIP COMPANY,
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LUCKENBACH LINES, Foot of 35th Street, Brooklyn 32, NY, from the SS
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HENRY D. THOREAU. Here is the text: To Whom It may Concern: William
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Pietschman has served aboard this vessel from the 29th of January.
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While this vessel was in route from Genoa to the United States, Mr.
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Pietschman suffered a spinal attack, which was a recurrence of a
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previous injury. From March 25th to March 31st he was unable to leave
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his bed due to complete numbness in his lower limbs.
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Yours truly,
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|
Roger Brach, Purser
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|
SS Henry D. Thoreau
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He was discharged 11 April 1946 at Charleston, South Carolina, abter
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being released from active duty on 8 Sept 1945 from USMSGS, New York.
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He never had any "lower limb" problems that I ever saw, and I feel
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somewhat qualified to comment on this, you see, he was a Doctor, and I
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am a Registered Nurse. I any case, his injury(?) seems strange to me.
|
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.... Thanks so much for your reply, and if anyone out there can find
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and Merchant Marine info, please send it to this echo. There are fewer
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and fewer of thse veterans left, and someone might talk about the
|
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Philadelphia Experiment before their story dies with them...I wonder if
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the experiments continued at all...don't you?
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* Origin: The NightOwl BBS (614)655-2455 (1:2220/50)
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Sub: N~UFO
|
|
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Subj: Close Encounter of the 2nd kind (65/100)
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From: Tessa Hebert
|
|
To : Chuck O'neill
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Date: 03/10/91 22:28:00
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Hi, Chuck. I thought your Close Encounter was really interesting, & I appreciat
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e
|
|
how hard it is to write a public message about something like that. I have
|
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a few questions & would like to talk about it some more with you.
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How old was your friend's little brother when this happened?
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> playing with a flashlight, shining it into the air. You see,
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> the thing was, there was a police helicopter that use to fly
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> around with a big spotlight checking out people's property.
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> We got his little brother into the habbit of shining it at
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> the helicopter, it would really piss them off.
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>
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Is it possible that he attracted the UFO by shining the flashlight in the sky?
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You know, I've read about people who have reported UFO's that "appeared to be
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helicopters". I wonder if you & your friends have had a "cover-up memory" of
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watching a police helicopter, when you have actually been watching a UFO.
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|
The other thing that curious about your story, that leads me to believe that
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there is a missing time gap & that possibly you, your friend & his parents were
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not able to act during that time gap is "why didn't the child's parents hear
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his screams sooner & come out of the house before the UFO left?"
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I suggest that it's possible that you & friend believe you could not open the
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door, when what may have happened is that you were frozen & unable to move durin
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g
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that time, and maybe the UFO abducted the child.
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How much
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time would you estimate elapsed from beginning to end of te else's story.
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* Origin: The Gates Of Amber BBS(NODE1) Houston TX 713-980-3989 (1:106/9996)
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Sub: N~UFO
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Subj: October 1973 (66/100)
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From: Bob Sheldon
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To : All
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|
Date: 03/10/91 21:48:09
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During October, 1973, I saw about 25 UFO's in the Houston, Tx area. They
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were paying a lot of attention to the oil refineries in the eastern part of
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the metroplex. All of this was observed from a high rise dormitory at the Unive
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rsity
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of Houston. Did anyone else have a similar experience that month? This was
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the month that the Yom Kippur war started in the Middle East.
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--- Echodor v3.07
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* Origin: CONNECT AMERICA #7 - Austin, Tx - 512-836-7117 - (1:382/10.0)
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Sub: N~UFO
|
|
Read: (1-100), Message#66, Replies=0, [C/R]=Next Msg, ? :
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Subj: Re: 40S COVER UP (67/100)
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From: Kirk Shorting
|
|
To : Chris Poulsen
|
|
Date: 03/09/91 11:37:02
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CP> Why would a race as superior as an alien race would need to be to
|
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CP> traverse space waste their time communicating with lowly humans?
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Why would a race as superior as humans want to waste their time travelling
|
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to distant continents in order to study the gorilla for twenty years? Or study
|
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other human beings? or study flaura and fauna?
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Curiosity seems an inherent element to intelligence, don't you think?
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If humans were to find primitive life on Mars which communicated with one anothe
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r,
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I think all interested people would want to communicate with them regardless
|
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of how far or difficult the attempt might be.
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--- Maximus-CBCS v1.02
|
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* Origin: Ont.Police Journal,Ajax,ON @9600 HST (416)428-3568 (1:229/101)
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Sub: N~UFO
|
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Read: (1-100), Message#67, Replies=0, [C/R]=Next Msg, ? :
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Subj: Re: Coral Castle (68/100)
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From: Kirk Shorting
|
|
To : Peggy Noonan
|
|
Date: 03/09/91 11:47:55
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I read a book a couple of years ago written by a fellow by the name of Davidov
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its.
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Apparantly, he is an engineer who designed a method of casting fabricated stone.
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He claims to be able to create any stone out of its elements. He calls this
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process geopolymerization. He claims that this method is the one used by the
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Egyptians to build the Pryamid at Gaza.
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I found his book extremely convincing but I was informed by another gentleman
|
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via a message that Davidovits' theory was full of wholes. This gentleman said
|
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that he was in a position to know but he did not elaborate.
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I mention this book and its author because he claims that the monuments at
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Coral Castle were created via the same method that he has pioneered.
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ALthough I received a dissenting opinion, I would recommend that you give the
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book a read for yourself (If you can find it.). It was very well written and
|
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did not seem like a book written by some kook. He seemed to have good answers
|
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for all his critics and his theory does well in explaining the various problems
|
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inherent in the building of large structures like the pryamids.
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Take care.
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--- Maximus-CBCS v1.02
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* Origin: Ont.Police Journal,Ajax,ON @9600 HST (416)428-3568 (1:229/101)
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Sub: N~UFO
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Subj: What do you do? (69/100)
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From: Karen Lawrence
|
|
To : All
|
|
Date: 03/10/91 18:37:07
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Does anyone know what you're supposed to do if you see a UFO? I mean do you
|
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call anyone or something? Because - I know this seems really strange, I think
|
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I saw one! I was driving home from my grandmother's house with my parents, and
|
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I saw a red floating thingy behind us about 50-75 feet in the air & about half
|
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a mile bhind us
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--- Maximus-CBCS v1.02
|
|
* Origin: Avi-Technic BBS (1:261/662)
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|
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Sub: N~UFO
|
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Subj: PHILI. EXPER (70/100)
|
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From: Mark Freel
|
|
To : Steve Arringdale
|
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Date: 03/09/91 10:27:00
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SA>missing.... If anyone else has more detailed or different info regarding
|
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SA>either inncident please post it, as I've been trying to collect informat
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SA>this for the past 4 years, and it seems there is a brick wall in my way
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SA>everywhere I turn....
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For what its worth ...
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Some accounts of the Philadelphia Experiment mention the sighting of aliens
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by crew members during the experiment, which seems to have involved
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magnetic pulses.
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Several years ago, there were a few reports about a helmet that pulsed
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magnetic waves through the temporal lobes. This device was intended to ind
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mystic states in the user. Visions, including those of aliens, were report
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This may be the same device discussed in the December 1988 OMNI, in
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_Transcending_Science_ by Dennis Stacy starting on page 55. I think this
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device was also written up in the Brain Mind Bulletin.
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* SLMR 1.05 * A riddle wrapped in mystery inside an enigma. Churchill
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* TomCat! 2.9* * Have you tried an OFF line mail reader yet? Try it!
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--- W2Q v1.47 [Eval]
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* Origin: The Software Connection Home of The File Equalizer (1:281/778)
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Sub: N~UFO
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Read: (1-100), Message#70, Replies=0, [C/R]=Next Msg, ? :
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Subj: UFO sightings (71/100)
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From: Mark Freel
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To : John Powell
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Date: 03/09/91 10:13:00
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JP> MF> Actually, I wonder why he goes fishing near Gulf Breeze!
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JP>He does?! Lately? Hmmmm.
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Lately, he might have been too busy. He likes to fish and has gone to a
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number of places. Long before Desert Shield, I saw a picture in the newspa
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and remembered the location because it was associated with other events.
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* SLMR 1.05 * A riddle wrapped in mystery inside an enigma. Churchill
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* TomCat! 2.9* * Have you tried an OFF line mail reader yet? Try it!
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--- W2Q v1.47 [Eval]
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* Origin: The Software Connection Home of The File Equalizer (1:281/778)
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Sub: N~UFO
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Read: (1-100), Message#71, Replies=0, [C/R]=Next Msg, ? :
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Subj: RE: SIGHTINGS (72/100)
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From: Scott Ecker
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To : Chris Poulsen
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Date: 03/10/91 00:50:19
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> Speaking of stalling cars caused by UFO's.....are there any
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> physicists out there who have any theory what force would
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> cause a car to 'play dead' without any permanent damage?
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Electromagnetic forces have been suggested, I think, although without
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reviewing some of the literature on my bookshelf, I could not elaborate any
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further. If I can locate any references, or additional information, I will
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post another message to you.
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Best Regards,
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Scott
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--- TMail v1.17
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* Origin: West Coast Pyro Board (209 661-5355) (1:205/45)
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Sub: N~UFO
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Subj: RE: SIGHTINGS (73/100)
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From: Scott Ecker
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To : Robert De welles
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Date: 03/10/91 00:51:40
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SE> Under normal circumstances, you are certainly correct, however in
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SE> many close proximity UFO sightings, automobiles *will* stall, and
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SE> all electrical functions will cease. Not a direct example of
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SE> "extra-terrestials," but certainly a legitimate part of the UFO
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SE> phenomenon.
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> I don't really think so I mean U.F.O.s....I how do we know that
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> the ufos are balls of energy,I mean things like that (battery
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> and all) are all natural!
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Ball lightening, corona discharge, what? Your message is difficult to
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understand. Anyway, there is quite some difference between an ambiguous
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light seen in the distance, and a structured craft with lights, windows,
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whatever, seen at close proximity. Certainly you do not mean to suggest that
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"car stopping," in the UFO context, is purely coincidental?
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> I understand about some of them but most of ther time people are
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> just making all those stories up.
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Statistically, hoaxes do not represent the majority of UFO sightings--that
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destincition belongs to misinterpretation of astronomical or conventional
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objects, and the like. The exact figures from the Air Force's Project Blue
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Book study, as recorded in _The Hynek UFO Report_, were: Astronomical:
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26.0%; Aircraft: 17.0%; Hoaxes: 0.9%; Psychological: 0.5%. This is only a
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partial list, but serves its purpose nonetheless. You will also note that of
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some 12,618 sightings recorded by Blue Book, a mere 116 were identified as
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hoaxes. Even the 701 listed as "unknown" far outnumber those listed as
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fraudulent. Hardly a convincing case for the "made up" theory.
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Best Regards,
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Scott
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--- TMail v1.17
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* Origin: West Coast Pyro Board (209 661-5355) (1:205/45)
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Sub: N~UFO
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Subj: UFO funnybone (74/100)
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From: Dale Anderson
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To : Ben Curtis
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Date: 03/07/91 06:10:59
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In a message to Dale Anderson <05 Mar 91 10:24> Ben Curtis wrote:
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BC> I feel that a spark of laughter is in order, from time to time.
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BC> Maybe some people feel that UFOlogy is a joke. Maybe those
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BC> jokesters really feel that UFO's are a probability, and deep down
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BC> they might fear it. Fear of this kind of thing brings on a shield.
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BC> Laughter/jokes are that vent.
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Hi Ben. Your 101% correct with me. Humor manifests itself in different ways
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and is a nervous release at times. The intent of my message was to propose
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some type of often seen 'rules of the echo' to let new people know (and remind
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the veterans) what to expect and what is expected of them when interacting with
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the echo participants. I'm sure I am not the first to suggest this, I don't
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like to see people ridiculed for no reason.
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BC> I have had my experiences. I don't relate it to anyone, because of
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BC> the "beyond belief" syndrome. But, I do love a good natured spoof
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Ben, you surely know this is a 'beyond belief' area. We attempt to make sense
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of all the nonsense. That just isn't possible sometimes. The trouble is one
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doesn't always know where the nonsense ends and the sense starts. I think that
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is why a degree of respect is needed, especially to inform the new participant.
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To let them know that even if their sighting sounds like a lot of nonsense,
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there is a place to attempt explanation.
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BC> now and then. I guess that might be the question, if it is good
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BC> natured, or not.
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I respect and understand your viewpoint. I agree that jokes are occasionally
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needed for uplifting the monotony of seriousness here, if they are good natured
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and most importantly, don't offend a participant _personally_. I simply dislike
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watching certain people (_most often new_) jump into a new or old message and
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make 'wisecracks' at someones claimed experiences. I don't see how that is
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conductive to productive discussion. My main concern is for those new individua
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ls
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who have been sent the questionable message, and might not view it as funny.
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Instead of relating their experience (or whatever it is), they might decide
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to 'tune out' the echo and not return. As it is said, "first impressions are
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lasting impressions". Ridicule is fine in my view, _if_ it is deserved. Perhap
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s,
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just leaving the decision to the receiver of the message is more appropriate,
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or ignoring it until it ceases. I absolutely am not trying to be a 'topic cop',
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I don't have the expertise or patience necessary. I do tend to get a bit defens
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ive
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at times, as you and others have witnessed. It _is_ done with a well intended
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purpose and encourage anyone here to present differing opinions.
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BC> I wouldn't make an all out rule on laughter, just because a few are
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BC> too serious for thier health. Why censor ... like the government
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BC> seems to do relating to UFO's?
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No way!! I don't want to see a ban on laughter, I need all the laughter I can
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get. I believe in free information flow and don't want to see that flow obstruct
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ed
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in unnecessary ways. I appreciate your response and for stating your views.
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I strongly believe that the echo is important for others, and 'hackers' like
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me, with a serious interest in the phenomena. I feel that next to paying the
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big boys of electronic storage and transfer $6.00+ an hour for discussion forums
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and e-mail, this is a unique medium and needs to exist. BTW, I did laugh at
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the 'gas station' joke, really!
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BC> 001122[[: Ben Curtis :]]221100
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BC> Now ... where did I put that diskette?
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It's under the slice of pizza. ;-)
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Regards,
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Dale
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--- XRS!% 4.02
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Subj: Cover up (75/100)
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From: Dale Anderson
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To : John Feilke
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Date: 03/07/91 06:48:12
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In a message to Dale Anderson <05 Mar 91 16:04> John Feilke wrote:
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>DA=>waiting to see the videos. Anyone have the ABC address? I
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>DA=>feel like sending a letter.
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JF> I left the phone number on here the night it happened. Can't find
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JF> it here right now. Look at the posts for the last monday night in
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JF> FEB. I called up ranted & raved to the answering lady and she kindly
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After reading some recent messages, someone had posted the number. Thanks for
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the reply. BTW, I like your method of 'ranting and raving'.
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Regards,
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Dale
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--- XRS!% 4.02
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* Origin: \_Speculation sometimes leads to Confirmation_/ (Quick 1:19/19.22)
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Sub: N~UFO
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Subj: files (76/100)
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From: Dale Anderson
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To : Ken Willoughby
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Date: 03/08/91 06:27:46
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In a message to Bill English <02 Mar 91 10:56> Ken Willoughby wrote:
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KW> Sorry I am going to be out of commission for about 2 weeks to a
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KW> month with a Melanoma {tumor} operation on my eye. I may be able
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KW> to use my daughter's computer if the opportunity permits.
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Ken,
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I don't know if you'll receive this message before your hospital stay. Pleas
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e
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know that I wish you the best in your operation. We expect to see you back
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here when you are recovered, or sooner. Take care.
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Dale
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--- XRS!% 4.02
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* Origin: \_Speculation sometimes leads to Confirmation_/ (Quick 1:19/19.22)
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Subj: Government cover-up (77/100)
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From: Dale Anderson
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To : Rick Moen @ 914/207
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Date: 03/08/91 06:50:47
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In a message to Dale Anderson <02 Mar 91 02:57> Rick Moen @ 914/207 wrote:
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> DA> Have you researched the Hudson Valley sightings? ...
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> RM> I haven't had a chance to (but do not profess to be a UFO
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> RM> investigator, in the first place). The problem with many of
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> DA> was conducted as best it could under the circumstances, more
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> DA> importantly, as it was happening. Maybe the total story isn't
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RM> many, many times in the past, cases have been misinterpreted and
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RM> vastly overblown, and a far different picture has appeared on
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RM> further examination. For all I know, a different picture in
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RM> _this_ case may already be evident. I just don't know the case
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RM> concerned, though UFO history would suggest that you're jumping
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RM> to conclusions.
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I am anticipatory of your description of "a different picture", if you can,
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of "_this_" case and why I am jumping to conclusions. Cases _have_ been misinte
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rpreted
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in the past. Researchers are human and subject to error. Let's scrutinize
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the information case by case, separately from the others. 'Night Siege' _is_
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an informative book (and recommended). Ex-skeptic-government UFO researcher,
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the late Hynek was even involved.
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> DA> The data cannot sit and be outdated, as the witnesses at
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> DA> Roswell,...
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RM> The _alleged_, never-produced witnesses, you mean?
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The research did produce witnesses, whose stories are in books/articles about
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the incident. Some of the witnesses preferred, at their request, to remain
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anonymous as to their true identity for personal reasons. As I stated before,
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anyone with a serious interest in locating the witnesses should do so through
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the investigators of the original research. I do not have personally researched
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information on this topic.
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> DA> ...but must be researchable now for future researchers to benefit.
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> DA> Rather than recite the book, I'll just say that the reports were
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> DA> safely in the _hundreds_,
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RM> As I've said before, _quantity_ of evidence in itself means
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RM> nothing. Every year, on Christmas Eve, there are hundreds of
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RM> reported sightings of flying reindeer and red-suited fat men.
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RM> That doesn't mean we should be solemnly discussing Close
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RM> Encounters of the Santa Kind. ;-)
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Sure, if you say so. What echo is Santa on? ;-)
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> DA> down-range of the initial reported location. A large
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> DA> percentage of the sightings described basically the same shape,
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> DA> speed, etc..., of the object.
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RM> This only shows they were likely _seeing the same thing_.
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RM> It doesn't tell you what the thing _was_.
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Good, we have established the witnesses were not subject to individual error
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and misinterpretations. What would be the next step?
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> RM> especially the Cooper/Lear variety. Probably, the common
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uncompress: corrupt input
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> RM> scientific attitude is "40 years of study, and they're still
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> RM> coming up with just bizarre conspiracy bulldada stuff?" ...
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> DA> I don't agree with your analogy for scientific disregard
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> DA> towards the phenomenon.
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RM> I don't quite follow: It wasn't an analogy.
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RM> I was simply making a stab at guessing why most scientists are
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RM> generally unwilling to listen to UFOlogists (which is what you
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RM> asked). However, as I noted, you asked the wrong guy. To find
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RM> out what scientists think, I think you had best ask _them_.
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Your correct, it is not an analogy. I retract that statement. Your "stab"
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is probably accurate to a sense, but still invalid in my view.
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It was your skeptical and scientifically based thinking that prompted the questi
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ons,
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_if_ I am correct with this overview. Do you know of any
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scientists that might wish to participant on the echo?
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> DA> I know it is just an example, but scientists cannot (I trust)
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> DA> be that ignorant of the data.
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RM> Such touching faith! <grin> You are being careful, I hope, to
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RM> distinguish between the data and their interpretation. It's the
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