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SUBJECT: THE BARTOO FRAUD FILE: UFO2660
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" T H E B A R T O O F R A U D "
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-Mark Harris
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For some period of time, we've been subjected to the questionable
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postings of one Walter Bartoo. This has gone endlessly back and forth,
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trying the patience of the most calm participants, and driving the rest
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of us to distraction. Enough is enough; I've put in about as much
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effort as I'm likely to on this crap.
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I've even gone to the extent of contacting Walter directly through
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NetMail, and offering my services as a writer to clarify his
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statements, allegations, and beliefs. This turned out to be
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unnecessary, as his "Solinus" can communicate clearly with the written
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word, and has done so, both in the March/April newsletter posted on
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this conference, and the Jan/Feb '93 newsletter that Walter sent to me.
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Most likely, no one here really needs to hear this, but I'll say it
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anyway. It's all fake. This is one of the worst cases I've ever seen of
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psuedo-scientific garbage, fake spiritualism, and generally poor
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thinking; I'm frankly amazed that Mr. Bartoo can operate a computer,
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let alone put all of this together.
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Here's a few of the contradictions:
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Date: 03-05-93 09:16 (Public)
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From: WALTER BARTOO
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To: MICHAEL THOMAS
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Subject: ASHTAR COMMAND
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>> In 1965 or earlier Pavlov was summoned to the Kremlin. Kruschev said
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>> write everything down you know on animal conditioning or your wife
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>> and kids die! We at the time had our double agent as number two guy
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>> in the Kremlin who smuggled this very large text out of russia to
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>> the U.S., now my point is!
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> Don't know where you get your information Walter, but Pavlov died in
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> 1936, quite a bit before 1965, and certainly before Kruschev ever
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> came to power. That was still the age of Stalin. At least get your
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> history straight before you try to persuade us of something.
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What a mind-blower. Cooper Himself couldn't have provided a more
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uneducated, blatant contradiction of reality if he'd tried.
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How about this?
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Area: UFO
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Msg: #91
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Date: 03-09-93 09:41 (Public)
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From: WALTER BARTOO
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To: DANNI BREWI
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Subject: ANOTHER ALIEN
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>> original post due to HD crash. But there is new things verifying the
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>> l thing and I've known for a long while they do exist. Next
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>> newsletter
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> Walter,
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> The word I would refer to is "lizy"...could you please verify...You
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> say there is new things that "verify".....Thank you..
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(WB) Lizy means Lizards or Reptillians. Some of us feel the planetoid
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is in orbit around Mars. Reason being it is out of range of
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Nuclear Missles. Once this is corrected we think it will come
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closer. Correction only an opinion is what is coming in on the
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fire balls will try and destroy missle capability first. Walter
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Currently, Mars is just past opposition; this means just past the point
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where it lies directly opposite of the Sun, and is it's closest
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approach to the earth. It has two moons, visible in larger amatuer
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telescopes, a few miles across. OK, so you stated this as an "opinion"
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this time; it just isn't there, Walter. An object 1,000 km across would
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even show a disc at that distance, in large telescopes, and Mars has
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been under continous watch by just such instruments all over the world
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for months. Nothing new in orbit around it, or anywhere near it. Your
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report is FAKE, period.
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Point in fact, the whole report of a 1,000 km asteroid with reptoids in
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it, coming to make dinner out of us, is a really major hoax. Yet you
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keep on citing it as evidence of the "Evil ET's", and your whole reason
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for posting your nonsense: to "wake us up" to it all, to "open our
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eyes" to the reptoid threat.
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There is _no_ such asteroid. Something that size moving into the inner
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solar system would be fairly easily spotted, and there's no way to
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cover up such a discovery. In addition to the professional astronomers
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and their observatory instruments, there's literally _millions_ of
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amatuers all over the world, and many of them diligently search for
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just such asteroids. Their reward, of course, is having it named after
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them; that's also why most comets are first spotted by amatuers. It's
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all FAKE, Walter, but I suspect you knew that.
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Your references to fireballs shows major ignorance of basic astronomy.
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Allow me to educate you.
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The meteors we see streaking across the night sky are about the size of
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a grain of sand. No kidding. The fireballs that leave a glowing trail
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for several seconds after their passage are about the size of a pea.
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Your reptoids would have to be pretty small to ride one to the surface,
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if that was even possible.
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For a meteroic fragment to actually reach the surface of our planet, it
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must start out at about 20 pounds; around the size of the average human
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head. What actually makes it to the surface, assuming it made it in one
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piece, would be lucky to be about the size of a baseball. Anything that
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size, BTW, leaves a truly impressive flaming streak across the sky, and
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usually makes national news. Well it should: those meteorites which
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actually survive to crash onto the surface of our planet contain a lot
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of valuable information about our solar system; when it formed, what
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materials are out there, the list goes on and on. When one is sighted,
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people from all over flock to the area to search for it; I suppose your
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reptoids are using "mind control" to hide their presence? Given the
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falsity of your allegations so far, I rather doubt it.
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Here's what you had to say in your January/February 1993 newsletter
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about some other supposedly scientifically based events:
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"The wobble that has developed in the axis has increased and if
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stabilization does not occur then a figure eight rotational pattern
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will result which will cause water to inundate the land. This will be
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followed by more instability of the continents which have movement of
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their own and this also effects the fluid base beneath the land masses
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upon which they float. All of these are effected by the use of ELF
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waves and microwaves. Earth has begun her corrective action. We
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forecast that 1993 will be a year of many physical changes on the
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surface of this planet."
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That's not even good psuedo-science. There's no "wobble", Walter; no
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matter how many times you try to say it, it DOESN'T EXIST. Even amatuer
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astronomers would be aware of it if it was real. Many of use make
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observiations of what are called "occultations", and "grazing
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occultations". This is where an asteroid or other orbital body passes
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in front of a star, or just grazes the edge of the image. These events
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are carefully timed according to at least one (and preferably two) WWV
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atomic clock time signals. The time from first contact to last gives an
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accurate size of the asteroid, for example; much more information can
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be gleaned from a series of such observations. The point here is that
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if the earth had a new wobble, or if any of the rotational
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characteristics of the earth changed, they would immediately show up in
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the timing of such events, in a way that not even the newcomer to this
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hobby could possibly miss.
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You obviously don't understand the ELF project, either. It's not too
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far away from me, here in Wisconsin; when I went to school for
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electronics, we learned a lot about it. We were curious, of course, and
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one of our instructors was a former Navy man who actually worked on the
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project.
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Here's the basic problem they faced. We've got these great nuclear
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submarines, but to get a message to them, they had to risk giving away
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their location by coming near the surface and extending an antenna
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above the water. Radio waves, over the vast majority of the part of the
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electromagnetic spectrum we normally use, are either absorbed by the
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water or reflected off of it. This is due entirely to the wavelength of
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the radio transmission.
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Ever wonder why radar transmissions are in the microwave range?
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Microwave, BTW, refers to a specific portion of the electromagnetic
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spectrum where the wavelengths are very short. That's also where ham
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radio operators get their "2 meter band" and so on. If the wavelength
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of the radio transmission is larger than the object it's beamed at, it
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will pass right through it, unless the material contains a substance
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which absorbs that frequency. So, to reflect a radio wave off of some
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object, it's length must be smaller. Radar just won't work unless it
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uses very high frequencies.
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The ELF project was trying to do just the opposite; it was to produce
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radio waves at a frequency where it would pass through the earth
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itself, _without_any_kind_of_interaction_at_all_. Get it? ELF waves
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can't be effecting people, plants, buildings, or the earth itself. They
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are deliberately designed to pass through these things, without any
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interference at all. You've made other allegations, that these waves
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are producing "gravitational anomolies" or "shifts", and this is even
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more absurd. Our most advanced science has not yet produced a device
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which will allow the interaction of the electromagnetic force and
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gravity. As I said before, this isn't even good pseudo-science.
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Now, all of this is well and good; we already KNEW that one Mr. Bartoo
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was full of it. Even the most cursory examination of his position shows
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incredible errors and outright hoaxes. Here's an excerpt from a post
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dated 3-13-93, to Don Allen (mis-addressed to Dan Ross), where Mr.
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Bartoo states his position on the subject of proof:
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"I can't prove anything to anyone. None of you can. When you believe
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something it still is not proof. When you see something you cannot
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share or verify that observation because the only way to really know
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something is to experience it yourself. If everyones experience were
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proven to everyone else then we'd have a group believing something that
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still to another would not be proof."
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Well, Walter, certainly _your_ ideas and allegations can't be proved;
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one of the first and only honest things you've done in all this is to
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admit that. It can't be proved for the simple reason that none of it is
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true, and it's my personal opinion that it's that personal knowlege of
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yours, that your whole line is, indeed, fake, that makes you so
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defensive. The only way to accept your ravings is to suspend disbelief,
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and perhaps get a frontal lobotomy; nothing short of that will win any
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thinking person over to your demonstratably false views.
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Here's a paragraph, with the header, from your March/April 1993
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newsletter posted on this conference:
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CREATE YOUR OWN REALITY: KNOW YOUR OWN MANIFESTATION POWER, AND SOON
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the Earth and her inhabitants are not as you may seem. In one sense you
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are an illusion. I say one sense as all forms of thought create
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illusions, at least from your physical perspective. This may sound like
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double talk, but it is really an attempt to give a simple explanation
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for your basic premise of existences. It is not my intent to confuse in
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this matter, so I will not dwell on it further.
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Well, now, I recognize that. I even asked Walter about it, in one of
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the many posts to him which he did not answer, and which he later
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claimed not to have seen.
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There was a whole series of books by Jane Roberts, the first of which
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was "Seth Speaks". "Seth" was a "higher being" of some sort, who
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dictated those books through Jane Roberts. That's right, they were all
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channeled. I found them when I was in high school, and read every one
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of them; they make a good read, if nothing else. There's also a lot of
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really good messages in them, even if I don't agree with much of what
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is presented there as reality.
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"Seth" had two main messages. "You create your own reality", and "you
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belong to a larger, multi-dimensional reality, which only your larger
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self is aware of". I asked specifically if Walter had read any of these
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books; after reading more of his newsletters, it's clear to me that he
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didn't respond because the basic structure of his view of the universe
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was lifted directly from the pages of the "Seth" books. What I quoted
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above could have come out of any of them (I no longer have the books,
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or I would look it up), but it sounds to me like it came out of "The
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Nature of Personal Reality", the second or third book of the series.
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So, not only are the "factual" portions of Walter's view flatly faked,
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wrong, and hoaxed, his spiritual view of the universe was plagarised as
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well. Nowhere in any of Walter's postings, or his personal writings, is
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there _anything_ to indicate that any portion of his ramblings are
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true.
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As I said at the beginning, I've had it with this nonsense. Walter has
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perpetrated a major hoax on us, been massively abusive to those who
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only requested further information, and also violated the rules of this
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echo in several respects, listed here:
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1-* Discuss UFO. This is rule number one. This is not the forum
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of discussion of religion, time travel, out of body
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experiences and what not. However, the discussion of any
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topic is admissable if it directly relates to the UFO
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phenomenon. UFO is defined specifically as Unidentified
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Flying Objects, and should not be taken to mean anything
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else.
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Let me insert one little note: Mr. Bartoo has abused the one exception
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here by trying to tie his "religious" beliefs into UFO's. I believe
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it's been demonstrated just how fake all of those allegations are; his
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own posts show that most of what he's about is spiritual in nature, and
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far outside any rational investigation of the UFO phenomena.
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4-* Absolutely no advertising. That means no BBS ads, no service-
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to-others ads, no personal ads, no any kind of ads.
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And that's my last argument, and for me, the last straw. The only way
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any rational person could possibly cling to such obviously false ideas
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is if they stood to get some money for it. It wasn't two weeks ago that
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Mr. Bartoo mentioned that his newsletter was for sale, and now they've
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posted a full ad for "love donations".
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I had asked Don Allen, the Moderator, if he would allow me some time to
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get to the bottom of this, and he granted it. I see no reason to delay
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any longer; Don, whatever actions you were going to take, I'm done with
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Bartoo's fakery and abuse.
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TO DON ALLEN:
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This is just my personal opinion, and not one I'm going to press with
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you or anyone else. Still, it's something I would like to say, here in
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the open echo.
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Mr. Bartoo has abused our patience and insulted our intelligence
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enough. He's violated both the echo's rules, and those of the FidoNet
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itself; it's my strictly personal opinion that his access to the
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FidoNet should be immediately and permanently removed. His has been an
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extreme case, and should be met with equally extreme measures.
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Now, that's just my opinion, and most likely the only time I'll state
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it. I'll support whatever decision is made; call this just my personal
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"vote".
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Regards,
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Mark R. Harris
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(4352) Fri 19 Mar 93 1:24a
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By: Mark Harris
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To: Don Allen
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Re: More Bartoo fraud
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On 03-16-93 DON ALLEN wrote to ALL...
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> Be advised that Walt does NOT 'channel' but as much fuss as these
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> posts are
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Hi, Don;
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I wish I'd kept all of Walter's posts; as it is, I usually only keep a
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couple of weeks' worth on my system. However, early on, he flatly
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claimed he "channeled", but only for the "Trons". His story changed
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when the Ashtar thing came up, and became "telepathic contact" and
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meetings on UFO's. Like Cooper, Walter's story changes to fit the
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conditions; remember the Pavlov post, and the Guardian(s) stuff? Parts
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of his on-going story he finds here, then includes it as if it were
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true all along.
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> controversial aspects are those that center around the Pleiadian
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> contacts of Billy Meier. It seems to me to be a matter of extremes.
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I haven't commented on the Pleidians much before, but this has a
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bearing on some claims Walter has made, and both are false for similiar
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reasons.
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The Pleides (the star cluster, that is) is made up of a little more
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than 100 stars. They are young, blue-white, extremely hot stars no more
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than a few million years old. They are also large, which means that
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they burn fuel a couple of orders of magnitude faster than our sun, and
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will burn themselves out in about another 10 to 20 million years. Note
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that I said _million_; stars of this type just don't last very long.
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That whole region of space is full of interstellar gas: mostly
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hydrogen, some helium, carbon, oxygen, and other elements. It's visible
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in larger amatuer telescopes. It's been whipped to tremendous speeds by
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the energy of these stars, making the whole region a seething hell of
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hot gasses and radiation. It would be sheer stupidity (if you were
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aware of these conditions in the first place) to state that there are
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_any_ beings, civilisations, or craft in that area. You just can't
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reconcile the supposed superiority of alien intelligence with such an
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obviously poor decision; no one familiar with the conditions that
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prevail in that region of space would even remotely consider putting
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anything there, or even traveling through it. Most especially since if
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you have the technological ability to travel the stars, there are much,
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much more hospitable places in the galaxy to put yourself.
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> On the other hand, very little has been posited about 'who' and
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> 'what' are the 'good guys'. Is it possible such a 'Confederation'
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> does exist, and if so is there proof of it? And if such does exist,
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> how come
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I pulled this out of Walter's other newsletter, January-February 1993:
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"says he is. The Metatrons are a "very old" universal presence. The
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Trons have had many experiences from many universes. They are very good
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at what they are doing within their Earth presence."
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They appear to be entirely metaphysical creatures. This remains one of
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my objections to Walter posting his ... stuff ... on this echo. At the
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very best, most of what he's selling is religion, and I strenously
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object to his making use of this echo for that.
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The origin of the "Dark Lords of Orion" are stated somewhat more
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clearly, as in this quote from that same document:
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" Who are they? The answer is a secret government that controls all
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governments and it is run by the Dark Lords of Orion. These beings
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have come and gone since the time of Atlan- tis and have set up all
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forms of social consciousness within the many different religions and
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Earth societies. They come from a small area of Orion and consider
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Earth and ALL life here their property. They are representatives of
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and serve the Draconian Empire. They conquer, pillage, rape and
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destroy all existing systems that fall under their control."
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Now you'll see why I dealt with the Pleides above; the two regions are
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similiar. BTW, it's just my opinion, but I believe the reason you see
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these areas mentioned as the origin of aliens so often is because those
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two regions are among the most photographed and published of all of the
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astronomical objects in our galaxy. They are also among the first any
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amatuer looks at through a telescope.
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The Orion region is another birthplace of new stars, but at an earlier
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stage than the Pleides. The dust and gas there is in the process of
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collapsing into new stars and solar systems; to say the least, it's a
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contradiction to claim that region as the home of an older, more
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advanced civilisation. It CAN'T be; the solar systems that these "Dark
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Lords of Orion" supposedly come from haven't even fully formed yet.
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Even the oldest stars in the region are only a few million years old.
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The brightest star in that consetllation, Betelguese, is a red super-
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giant getting ready to nova. That means it's just one stage ahead of
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the Pleiades; not that long ago, comparatively, it was just as blue-
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white and active as the Pleides. It was also one of the first formed
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out of the Orion gas cloud.
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The reasons I cited above for advanced civilisations avoiding the
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Pleides cluster are even more true for the Orion region of the sky.
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Why would any advanced civilisation deliberately put themselves into a
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place guaranteed to be uninhabitable?
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What Walter proposes is a fraud, and not even a well done fraud, at
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that. I don't care how long he tries to cling to it, but neither do I
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have much desire to have people such as him and Cooper try to persuade
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me they're correct, when they are so obviously wrong.
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Oddly enough, since he first started posting, various names have had a
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familiar ring. "Orvotron", "Metatrons", "Dark Lords of Orion". When I
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was growing up, I bought just about every comic book I could, and I
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vaguely remember a story using those names; from sometime between 1969
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and 1974, perhaps. I'd have an answer by now if I hadn't sold my comic
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books, but I'm in the process of looking for it at local stores, etc.
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I'll let you know if I can come up with a title, unless Walter would
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like to tell us first. <G>
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Regards,
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Mark R. Harris
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