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SUBJECT: PARANORMAL CONFERENCE FILE: UFO2604
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[Sunday, August 7, 1988 Issues - Paranormal Conference with Annapolis, MD radio
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personality, UFO investigator, Bob Oechsler]
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User User ID Nod Rm Name / Forum Area
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26 74126,1321 ANY 5 JOSE B. RIVERA
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31 75376,1620 CVK 5 Dale Wedge
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33 76374,303 PNB 5 Steve G.
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37 76703,266 WBR 5 G-WIZ
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41 74270,3360 BOI 5 Don
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43 70511,17 CRZ 5 Mike
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56 70007,3422 DCI 5 BoB
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65 71056,722 NWL 3 Frank Trzesniowski
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67 71450,3504 NNM 5 DBC
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69 72135,424 PNX 5 Drax
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82 71605,2013 SFM 5 Gerry
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84 74126,3254 ANM 5 EdC
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94 76012,3361 MRT 5 Ted
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101 72227,216 LTR 5 ed thomas
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129 73336,1172 WER 5 Bob Dagenais
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(5, Ted) ok Here we go
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(Ted) Our guest tonight is Bob Oechsler. Bob has a regular Sunday radio program
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on WFBR in Baltimore. His show covers the subject of UFOs. In addition
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to Bob's 10,000 hours of radio experience and 2,600 [earlier number of
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20,000 was in error] hours of TV, Bob is also a consultant to the Navy on
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robotics. Bob has helped with the Polaroid analysis of the Gulf Breeze
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photos in conjunction with Dr. Bruce Maccabbe.
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Just a reminder to those new to our CO. We operate under formal
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rules. If you want to ask a question or make a comment type a "?" or a
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"!" and I will take down your name and put you in queue and let you know
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when it is your turn.
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(5, Ted) Ok. Bob do you have any opening remarks? GA
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(5,BoB) Tonight's FOCUS will be on my primary investigation status regarding one
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very important TRUFO case and an extremely shocking series of revelations
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relating to an investigation of the Annapolis Bay Bridge Sightings Case.
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We'll explore the reasons as to why I've assigned the term TRUFO to the
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Northwest Florida MUFON Case #15 better known as the Gulf Breeze CEIII
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case. My overall research and somewhat activist reporting of the events
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I've been involved with encompass the following areas Congressional
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Liaison PSE - Voice Stress Analysis of witnesses, Photographic Equipment
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Analysis, Video Tape Research Analysis, Meteorological Data Analysis,
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Intrinsic Intangible Data Analysis. The latter involves some rather
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intriguing ON-BOARD research and analysis theories.
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(5,Ted) Ok. Bob you and I have spoken on the phone several times so...
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I'll now open the floor to ? ga
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(5,Dale Wedge) ?
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(5,DBC) ?
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(5,DON) ??
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(Ted) Ok Dale start it off ga
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(5,Dale Wedge) I talked to Bob on Saturday, and was QUITE impressed by his data.
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Bob, could you go into detail on the above listed analysis on the photos,
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video tape, and voice stress tests.ga
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(5,BoB) First let's get the video tape analysis out of the way . For example, a
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10 second section of the 1:38 video consists of 600 hard copy prints. We
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are looking at the following data. Altitude Measurements against fixed
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objects. Flight Path Measurements against Fixed objects. Flight Craft
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Rotational Characteristics. Light Emission Analysis - Frequency / Dome -
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Power Source. Craft Ring Aberrations. Craft Attitude Measurements.
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Craft Air Speed / Velocity Measurements. Craft Mass Direction Reversal
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Analysis ...
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(Ted) Bob Got dumped ga
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(Ted) Welcome back bob ga
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(5,Phil Klass) Told him I would get him
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(5,BoB) Sorry about that. As an experienced technician I've built many remote
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controlled devices in the past ten years. As a prototype designer I'm
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well versed in exotic techniques used to operate various sizes of
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apparatus from very small to very large using sometimes inexpensive
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semi-automated frequency controlled equipment. I cannot duplicate the
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specifications detailed in this case, most notably the absence of audible
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sound that we are giving an exhaustive series of tests on the videotape
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audio track. The model hypothesis also suffers another major problem.
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How do you create a microwave generator that can make a perfect circle 12
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feet in diameter that cooks the grass and ground down to the roots at
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least 16 inches down, bleaching all of the chlorophyll out of the grass!
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ENOUGH? GA
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(Ted) Ok. Great. DBC is next ga
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(5,DBC) Bob, I understand that NASA is letting you use. Can you tell us how much
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interest there is in the upper echelons of NASA on the GB case?ga
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(5,BoB) Well, that's not totally true! NASA GSFC TV is letting us and helping us
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with the videotape. They've been invaluable! Neat trick Huh? The photos
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are being computer enhanced at a facility in MASS. The NASA facility is
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manned by Bendix and a little clever negotiating got us in there. We have
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discovered something in the photo analysis that will put this case over
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the top. Photo #9 has window panels on the craft that are blacker on the
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gray scale than the background in the photo, thus you cannot have a dbl
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exposure Leaving only the model hypothesis that we already discussed. GA
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(Ted) Bob one quick one, what does GPSF stand for? ga
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(5,BoB) GSFC stands for Goddard Space Flight Center. ga
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(Ted) Ok. Don yer up! ga
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(5,Don) BoB, two quick questions first, during your investigations what
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interest, either of a covert nature, or overt have the Military, or
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civilian authorities (Fed) shown if any and perhaps I missed it, but what
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did the extensive list of tests show you that you mentioned other than
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bleaching the ground?ga
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(5,BoB) Wow that's an extensive ? that I'll try to cover in short first, there
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was a visit paid to Ed by alleged OSI officers in civilian clothes
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bearing arms demanding under a material seizure warrant all of Ed's
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original photos. They left empty handed as Duane Cook the Editor of the
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Sentinel had them. The military on the other hand got a wealth of info
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from this case using three ships decked out with radar gear and several
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mobile army hot bench vehicles which are all terrain land vehicles with
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150 foot telescoping radar globes. We could not convince enough of our
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technicians that the case was valid nor could be muster the cash to send
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in magnetometer etc., recording equipment and we were there watching for
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over six months, what a waste! As to the list of video tape analysis, as
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I stated in my conference report at Lincoln, We determined that the craft
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must be real and not a model because of the peculiar flight
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characteristics the frequency aberrations regarding two independent light
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sources on the craft an apparent lopped ring aberration A soundless craft
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there was much sound on the video tape to work with and nothing that we
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cold eliminate o attah to the craft itself. We did determine the
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direction of rotation etc and much more.
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(Ted) Ok. Jose you are up ga
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(5,JOSE B. RIVERA) I noticed on the map I am looking at that Gulf Breeze is
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located next to Elgin Airforce Base, And next to The Navy Base at
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Pensacola. Is this a coincidence? or did the reports of sightings reach
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there also? ga
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(5,BoB) I don't know if it's a coincidence or not , but there were sighting
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reports in this case that stretched into Alabama. The military has
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refused to comment on the case but as I mentioned there was great
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interest. Also see my report in the LIB 10, letter to the President et
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al.
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(Ted) Drax is next ga
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(5,Drax) Trying to sift thru a million questions. First, I was given to
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understand that nothing of note had been found in the soil samples...is
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that incorrect?....second, in...your open letter to Gulf Breeze, you
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mention a second videotape of a hovering UFO has this been confirmed? GA
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(5,BoB) The final analysis of the soil sample indicated that the ground inside
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the ring was blasted with microwave radiation. The second video tape has
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been kept under wraps as far as I know and no I have not seen it, check
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with Don Ware ga
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(Ted) Ok Drax follow up? ga
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(5,Drax) I just spoke with Walt Andrus, who knows nothing about a second
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videotape. If I spoke to Don Ware, would he tell me that it exists?
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(5,BoB) I am not sure about Don, but Duane Cook will tell you that is of course
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if they are not talking about his video that he shot of Ed while in
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search of another photo in Duane's presence ga
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(Ted) Any more follow Drax? ga
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(5,Drax) Bob, have you ever gotten a satisfactory answer as to why Mr. Ed
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continued to use a Polaroid when video was available? GA
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(5,BoB) Sure I've spent over 100 hours with Ed. The video tape is a real pain in
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the XXX you have load batteries, tape and go thru a lot of hassle it's a
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real cheapy 8 mm. The Polaroid is a staple for him, he has used it for 14
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years in his work, the 108 that is He's a builder and needs to cover his
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AAA using sub contractors etc. By the way he was very co-operative in all
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aspects of the investigation he was just as curious as we were. In fact
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he took a photo of the UFO within one day of getting the new Sun 600
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camera. My research with Polaroid indicated that it would have been
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impossible as it gets to hoax a photo with that camera! ga
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(Ted) Ok the queue is Don, Steve, Dale and DBC GA DON
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(5,Don) BoB, this case, more than any in a while has generated much controversy.
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The ranks of MUFON have divided, CUFOS'S first said it was a hoax, then
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some recanted, Mr. Ed allegedly has a reputation of a jokester so I guess
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the bottom line is with your credentials, do you think that this is the
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real thing? ga
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(5,BoB) All excellent points Don. In my opinion, we need an alert team
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consisting of specialists from both organizations that can respond
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quickly to this type of case.
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(Ted) Ok Don a quick! follow ga
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(5,Don) Ok BoB, so what do you feel about this one? ga
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(5,BoB) Sorry got knocked off again!
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(5,Don) Ok, Bob, so what is your reaction, is this the one? ga
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(5,BoB) Don't know how much of the last response you got. My conclusion is that
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the case is valid. We have set new precedence. The Aliens have apparently
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initiated their own Glasnost Policy! ga
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(Ted) Ok Steve thanks for being patient ga
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(5,Steve G.) BoB, in hopes that your objectivity is more apparent than Walt
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Andrus's. I'd like to clarify one or two things. First, I am not
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satisfied with the answer about the VidCam, as I own one and find it easy
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as heck to use, but what was the illumination that we see in most if not
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all of the Polaroids and Video Tapes?
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(5,BoB) First about Walt. In all fairness, I think he has suffered from stage
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fright with this case. It was apparent to me at the Lin[coln] Conf that
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his awareness of detail was quite lacking. I think Ed prefers the
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Polaroid because of his familiarity Technically speaking the video camera
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is the pits to work
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with you are constantly looking through horizontal jail bars I'm not sure
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what you mean about "illlum" unless you are referring to the flash bulbs
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used in most of the pics and the video is real interesting because it's
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really two video shots in one the first 40 secs involves the UFO well lit
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with what I call skirt lights and the second one is sans the skirt
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lights! ga
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(Ted) Ok A quick follow and answer Steve as we have Dale, DBC, and Drax yet. ga
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(5,Steve G.) What I mean is that in the video tape, the foreground is
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illuminated and if I saw the ship hovering over the road with aliens
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getting out, I would have snapped at least one of them! ga (that's all!)
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(5,BoB) The foreground illumination in the video tape is the porch light near
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the bedroom. As far as sticking around to take photos of the alien if you
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knew what Ed knew and I learned I doubt you would stay either !!!! ga
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(5,Dale Wedge) OK.....
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(5,Steve G.) Chao [?] all and thanks for the info, Bob!
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(5,Dale Wedge) I get the feeling that a book is going to come out of this. This
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is based on the copyright in the MUFON journal...etc...Is there one in
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the works? Secondly, should Walt Andrus of fired Bob Boyd for his being
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against the case and feeding info to CUFOs? And lastly, what did you
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mean by the last sentence you said about Ed not sticking around to take
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photos or video, I don't remember exactly what was said.ga
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(5,BoB) First , yes there is a book ...
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(5,Dale Wedge) Did he get dumped?
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(5,Mike) yes
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(Ted) Yeah Walt got him! ga
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(5,Drax) Musta been EMP.
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(5,Dale Wedge) Lets not start on EMP. hahaha
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(Ted) Welcome back Bob ga
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(5,BoB) Name of Book UFOs Proof Positive Will it be published ??? That is up to
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ED and wife. What was the rest of the ? ga
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(5,Dale Wedge) Will the book be written by them with Andrus sorry, had to sneak
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that in the second one was do you think Bob Boyd should have been fired
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by Andrus... and third...No Walt has no input! ga
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(5,Dale Wedge) what did you mean by "If you knew what I knew" when you mentioned
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why he (ED) DID NOT GET PICTURES OF ALIENS.GA
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(Ted) DBC is up ! ga DBC [Editors note: Dale was speaking out of turn - Dale's
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question is answered later]
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(5,DBC) ok...
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(5,Dale Wedge) He didn't answer my questions from the first time"!
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(5,DBC) Bob, when I spoke to you on the phone, you said you may be able to give
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us a perspective of Ed that we were not aware of. Can you still do this.
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Also can you give us and update on the regression sessions. ga
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(5,BoB) I don't feel qualified to comment on the Boyd firing, however I can give
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you an insight into the lack of etiquette displayed in this case all the
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way around Boyd was wrong to comment publicly after spending just 15 mins
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with Ed and used MUFON case investigation research forms as a conclusive
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analysis. The comment about not waiting for the aliens to take a pic was
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one of terror! Experience with the Blue Beam on NOV 11 and on the night
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that the Bio Syn Job Being arrived at the bedroom door was enough to set
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anyone back a few paces. Ed is not a joker as was alleged, it's a long
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story but the short of it is the source was very misleading, he is a
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juvenile and actually a delinquent one at that and yes we have more than
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sufficient proof. An insight on Ed, he was first abducted at 11 years old
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by this same grp [group] again at age 17, 25, 33, and now at 41. The work
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from the regression has been very interesting. He was taught how to
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regress himself big mistake. He relived the May 1 encounter as real I
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spoke with him for two and a half hours following the second regression
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and got a lot of info that did not come out in the regression. It seems
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that he remembers more after the regression than during probably due to
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the trauma he endures while regressing. The info about his ON-Board
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encounter is exhilarating if you weren't there I suppose. Many
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interesting things were learned for example the light inside the craft is
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so bright that it's like holding a 4 foot fluorescent lite tube in front
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of your eyes. The source of the light is apparently the atmosphere in the
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craft itself. The wall at the curve of the craft vibrates or hums it was
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a pie shaped room, the first one he was in we figured he was on the
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second floor. The wall opened up on the left side and the Speaker came in
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with 3 syn job beings Ed immediately felt like attacking the speaker
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instantly the 3 robots closed in around the speaker their wands (called
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Mono Rod Neuro Controls) lit up and glowed as if they sensed that he was
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going to attack. There is much more to this encounter, should I go on ?
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ga
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(Ted) I think that in the interest of getting to others we had better move on,
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it is getting late Jim, er DRAX is up ga
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(5,Drax) Thanks, Ted....
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(5,Drax) OK...Bob, we keep hearing how there are "over a hundred" witnesses to
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these events there are in your words, "five photographers, only one of
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which" has not identified himself to MUFON. Where are these people? Why
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do we keep hearing only from Mr. Ed and Duane Cook, with a couple of
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cameo appearances by Believer Bill and the publisher's in-laws? And,"mono
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rod neuro controls"? Why would they be called anything recognizable in
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our language? GA
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(5,BoB) With telepathic comm we interpret things as closely to our language as
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possible The wand will paralyze you. Ed found accidentally that you can
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break the neural lock just slip a portion of your tongue between your
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teeth and bite down real hard. The pain center apparently knocks out the
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control. There are listed in the case file 135 witnesses I'm looking for
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my list of photographers. ED, Believer Bill who has spoken twice with
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investigators Nancy, I forget the
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last name who took seven photos Don has those, there is another person
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who is a student in Birmingham who photos while in GB on vacation and
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left the undeveloped film with either Duane or Don, and the last is the
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lady who took the June 86 photos. She has also had contact and says she
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through out the negs. GB is a small town, it is not surprising that
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Duane's father-in-law and mother sorry that's step father are related ...
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Charlie and Dory Sommerby are in my opinion very credible witnesses. I've
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talked with both they are old folks trying to stay out of the way. The
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only connection between Ed and Duane before all of this occurred was that
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they were both on a town committee. ga
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(Ted) Ok. Gerry next ga
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(5,Gerry) Since time is running along, Bob, could you tell us now about the
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Chesapeake Bay sightings? ga
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(5,BoB) I was hoping we would get to this !!! ...
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(5,EdC) Me too!
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(5,BoB) So much is going on here that it will be difficult to cover much of it.
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First the Bay is in a magnetic variant according to the geodetic survey.
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The Pax River NAS has a very powerful EMP generator that we believe has
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been responsible for the following: Many UFO sightings, multiple
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witness, The closing of the Calvert Cliffs Nuc Plant, The closing of a
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critical bridge onto Solomon's Island, The killing of 1 million fish, The
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downing of a Cessna 182 with two pass, The closing of Mill Creek ,
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location of EMPRESS I barge. And a report that the Pax River NAS is
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actually an elec comm fac for monitoring and communicating with aliens.
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There is more, where do you want to start ? GA
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(5,Gerry) follow
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(5,Gerry) Can you tell us how we can learn more about this story? ga
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(5,Bernie) Has there been any actual contacts with aliens?
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(5,BoB) My research staff is working feverishly to complete our analysis of the
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situation for a meeting with Cong Tom McMillen. I will be reporting in
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print to the major media about these events in the near future. Contacts
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with aliens is thought to exist, but is not confirmed to date. We may
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even have as many as five direct alien encounters with residents. I guess
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I should be writing a book about this but with all of the research going
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on I can't find the time. I'd also like to write about the internal
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investigation process and the problems encountered by a part-time team
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faced with the task of investigating an overwhelming case . GA
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(Ted) Ok Mike next ga
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(5,Mike) Bob, does your Linc Conf report include all the abduction...
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(5,Bernie) How can I become involved in these investigations?
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(5,Mike) data mentioned here?
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(5,BoB) Mike, which case?
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(5,Mike) Ed ga
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(5,BoB) Not all of the data is available in my conf rep. The GB case involves
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nine missing time elements I mention but four in my report some of these
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are quite traumatic and we are working with Senate Liaison for
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assistance. GA
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(Ted) Ok JOSE next ga
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(5,JOSE B. RIVERA) BOB, I get the impression sometimes that the
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military/government is indeed in contact with these aliens. But if they
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were, why do they continue to chase them, use Radar cars, etc.. Is is
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possible that they are in the dark as much as we are about UFOs the
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government. ga
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(5,BoB) I can't read part of your Q ...but, I don't see any evidence that the
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Gov't is chasing them in fact quite the opposite is evident in GB Gov't
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aircraft were seen following and monitoring the UFO craft without
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apparent interference perhaps they're gun-shy. I know for a fact that
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they Gov't is not in the dark. I suggest that you read Clear Intent and
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Above Top Secret.
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(Ted) Ok Don is up ga
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(5,Don) BoB, I assume that you are aware of the "paper" that John Lear released
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in Dec 87 on Paranet Alpha and that he alleges that the govt has been in
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"cahoots" for over 20 years with these entities. Now I remember back in
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66 or 67 when Cong Jerry Ford headed an inquiry into these matters the
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Condon report came out, and the govt led us to believe or tried to that
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they were out of the UFO business. Now do you really believe that
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McMillen or any other Cong or Senator can pierce this blank wall..
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(5, Phil Klass) It's CONDOM report!
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(5,Don) when for over 40 years the govt has hushed this up, and at times taken
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extraordinary steps to keep it hushed? ga
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(5,BoB) First let me say that PK [Phil Klass] is confirmed to be a patriot of
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the highest order (listening PK?). He is merely following orders like a
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noble patriot ...
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(5,Phil Klass) yep
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(5,BoB) John Lear confirmed what PK told me that he was a close friend of the
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Lear family and he confided in the Lear family. Such activity Lear's
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report is wholly accurate according to several sources that I've
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contacted and our own research has lead me to believe that he is correct
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on many many counts. He is now working with us on Nevada related EM
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studies. The CONDON REPORT is very accurate, all you have to do is skip
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the conclusion which belies the body of the report. As far as McMillen is
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concerned he may have a unique wedge in that he is on the Science and
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Tech Comm. If he is smart enough to use the EMP Test schedule denial
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route, that is to say that the Gov't is reluctant to pub the schedule, if
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he is successful, he may break open the shell and then watch out for the
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nut to fall.
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(Ted) ok. Dale next ga
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(5,Dale) We have been hearing a lot about EMP. Everyone should know that EMP
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can only be caused by a nuclear blast, usually at high level to knock out
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electronics. I fail to see how EMP got inter-twined in this conversation
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about Mr. Ed. Is there something your not telling us in regards to the
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gov't. Or is it the Gov't that is behind what is going on?
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(5,BoB) We moved on to the Annapolis Bay Bridge Case. Ever since the big blast
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in Japan both the US and USSR have been doing research on EMP. That's
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wrong, the Soviets according to a Pentagon release through the Wash Post
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in conjunction with a lawsuit filed by FET against the Pent concerned
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about the environmental impact of EMP at generators located in MD, VA,
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AL, NM, CA. The EMPRESS II barge can generate 7 million volts which
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according Dr. Maccabee is peanuts compared to a lightning bolt and in his
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opinion would be of little interest to UFOs ...
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(5,Dale) True. and also EMP
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(5,BoB) which is how we got interested in this issue. You see with all of the
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UFO activity the past year here in the Annapolis area, and no apparent
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abduction activity , we went looking for a reason that UFOs might be
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interested in the area. WE FOUND EMP TO BE THE BEST KEPT GOVT SECRET
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HERE!!!
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(Ted) ok Drax next ga
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(5,Drax) Bob, I think you should clarify a statement you made earlier which
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implied that Phil Klass has admitted to John Lear that he (Klass) is
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working as an agent of the government. I've talked to John at length, and
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while he BELIEVES Klass is a govt. agent, as do many people, he has so
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far never told me that Klass told him that. GA
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(5,BoB) Let me put it this way, in a private conversation with PK, he told me
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that John probably suffered brain damage and lead me to believe that John
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was a paraplegic or something like that he also said that Bill Moore is
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probably a member of MJ-12 which seems rather credulous in light of his
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public opinion that MJ-12 is a hoax. And finally John did in fact say
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that Phil more or less confessed that he was ...providing a Gov't service
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for which John did not believe he was paid for and that's all I know
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about the subject. GA
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(Ted) Ok Drax follow? ga
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(5,Drax) As I'm sure you know, Klass has a rather inscrutable sense of humor,
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I'm sure he was employing it in his statement about Moore being a member
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of MJ-12. As to Klass being an agent, was it the story John often tells
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about Klass going fishing with a CIA agent regularly or something? GA
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(5,BoB) NO, this was no story and let's not waste any more time on PK who is not
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worth our conversation time since he has not had even a prosaic
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contribution to add to ufology! GA
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(5,Drax) Fair enough.
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(Ted) Ed C. next ga
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(5,EdC) I would like to ask how many of the COers have had sightings? Perhaps we
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could take a poll before we sign off??? ga
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(Ted) Ok a quick poll. If you have had a sighting type "S!" ga
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(5,BoB) s
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(5,EdC) s
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(5,Don) s
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(5,JOSE B. RIVERA) s
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(5,Gerry) green fireball
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(Ted) Not Bad! DBC is next ga
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(5,JOSE B. RIVERA) also green fireball, moving across NYC sky
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(5,DBC) ok...
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(5,BoB) 5 objects photographed w/35 mm two cams
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(5,DBC) Bob, can you elaborate a little on the alleged facility...
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(5,Gerry) Mine was across San Francisco!
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(5,DBC) that's involved in alien contact. And could you also mention something
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about your conversation with Bobby Inman? ga
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(5,BoB) The facility of which there are several to mention here is a Patuxent
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River, Maryland commonly called Pax River NAS. They have an elaborate EMP
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generator there that was built at Quantico in VA and moved by barge up
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the Ches. Bay. It is permanently mounted at the base there and is no
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doubt responsible for the cracks in the concrete piers on the bridge that
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connects the island to St. Mary's. There is also the EMPRESS I barge
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that moves all over the bay and docked at the ECAC facility ECAC stands
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for Electromagnetic Continuity Analysis Center which is part of the David
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Taylor Research Center Standby one back. There are many other Top Secret
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facilities here near the Naval Academy including the Westinghouse
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Facility now closed to all w/o clearance. My mtg w/ Adm Innman was a
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chance encounter where I asked him in total privacy and security if he
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would be so kind as to inform me as to how I could get closer to MJ-12.
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His response he studied by business card which dealt with robotics and
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nothing about UFOs placed my card into the inside breast pocket of his
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jacket looked me square in the eyes gave a partial nod and a half smile
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and said "OK", we shook hands and off he went NO further response ... GA
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(5,DBC) How long ago was,that meeting, Bob. And was it understood that he would
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send you something? GA
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(5,BoB) Sorry about the delay, in the immortal words of Timothy Good -- Had to P
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... The meeting took place on Friday the 13th ...
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(5,Don) first mistake!!
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(5,BoB) the month was april the place was the U of MD ground breaking for the
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new Science and Tech Ctr in Bowie, MD he was the keynote speaker ahead of
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the gov who was p'd.ga
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(Ted) Ok Don is next ga
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(5,BoB) more
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(5,Don) Bob, allow me to regress for one moment.. Earlier, when we spoke about
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McMillen, you suggested that he had a better chance to get to the root of
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the because of his cong. committee. If Lear is even half right about
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what is happening it would appear that McMillen has a long way to go
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because we have even had an ex President that admitted to a sighting
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(Carter) in 1977, and he promised to release what the gov't had on UFO's,
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and end the secrecy. However, like many other promises, this never
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happened. I maintain that elements in the govt. have too much invested
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to ever allow the "truth" as they know it to become knowledge. Do you
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believe that this will ever be resolved, and if so will we ever get to
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truth out to the people, and do you really believe that the "big media"
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will treat it in a responsible manner?
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(Ted) Wow! Ga Bob
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(5,EdC) Online Regression... Is this your abduction story, Don?
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(5,BoB) Well ...
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(5,Don) SOMEONE HAD TO ASK-HA
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(5,BoB) If in fact the Gov't is coming out of closet this fall as has been
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alleged, then I would say that Ronnie has forshadowed this 4 times in the
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past two years. As for McMillen I'm trying to shove him around to the
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left flank by breaking into the EMP issue as it relates to the well being
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of his constituents. If he breaks open the EMP issue in congress, my
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guess is that the nut will fall out of the shell and that will open up
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the UFO issue. You'll note that in my letter to the President I did not
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use the term UFO or abduction the purpose was to avoid the obvious proj
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blue book response and the round file what happened was a serious Gov't
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interest in my claims that there existed human rights violations and FAA
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airspace rules violations that were going unchecked and needed gov't
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attention! As for the media. I hate to prognosticate, but they may take
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it lightly and joke at first but eventually they will have to take it
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seriously especially when they find out the whole truth .GA
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(Ted) Ok Follow Don ga
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(5,Don) BoB, now the biggie! For 6 months I have been working on a paper that
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addresses the various aspects of ufology where there have been apparent
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hostile acts committed by the craft. What do you believe their intentions
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are do you believe that there are reasons to believe, like Lear that
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"These little fellers are up to no good!") ga
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(5,BoB) That's a real tuffy because no one can really answer that with any
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degree of credibility in my opinion. However, I'll give you my gut
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reaction to all of this. First there is evidence that we are being
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visited by at least four different groups of alien cultures. As within
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our own society, we have our
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extremists so do the aliens in my opinion it's probably no bed of roses
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for them either but one theory to examine is the one that they are as
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much in the dark about our culture as we are about theirs, and if we were
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to discover a society on this planet that was so primitive that even the
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slightest communication would take a great deal of time and effort, I
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suggest that we would maintain a similar perspective and attitude that
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the aliens have done with us. The GB case sets a new precedence in UFO
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contact in that for the first time they have staged apparent photographic
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opportunities perhaps in a first step of a new Alien Glasnost Policy,
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perhaps even in conjunction with our own and other foreign government
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support? ga
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(5,Don) or more disinformation!
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(Ted) GA mike
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(5,Mike) Can you supply any info on the upcoming <Oct 14> TV special?
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(5,BoB) The only info that I have about the Oct 14 airing is from various
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consultants on the show originally they were to show film of the Holloman
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Landing but I think that was canned, not sure, but anyway the scuttle
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butt is that the show is being done in an unprofessional manner to put it
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mildly and I don't really expect too much from it. The NBC show to be
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aired in December as the anchor to "Unsolved Mysteries" of which I am
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involved is about the GB case and does not center on Ed but all of the
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other witnesses and the photos and all of the research that is being done
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so far my opinion is that they are doing an exemplary job. Don't expect
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much from the OCT14 show until further notice. ga
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(Ted) Mike, If you want to know more about the Oct 14 th show leave a message
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to Phil Imbrogno on the Issues message board. He is going to be on the
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show and is a member of this forum. ga
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(Ted) Any other ? ga
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(Ted) Bob I want to thank you for being our guest tonight. You faced some pretty
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tough questions. Thanks again and I'll try to call you soon. ga
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(5,Don) Thank you BoB, and take care.
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(5,Mike) Keep up the good work...thanks Bob.
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(5,DBC) Many thanks Bob.
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(5,BoB) In closing, I'd like to make a few comments. Our research is continuing
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on many fronts. If anyone would like to keep in contact you can reach me
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by phone or mail I'll leave some particulars here ...
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Telephone: (301) 956-3570 or (301) 261-4353?
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Address: 136 Oakwood Road
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Edgewater, Maryland 21037
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Please be kind enough to send a self address stamped envl. There will be
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available copies of all of my radio shows on audio tape including the 5
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hour symposium on August 21st ... the work goes on ...the pay sucks !!!ga
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(Ted) Ok. Bob how do we go about getting copies of the radio tapes? ga
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(5,EdC) Bob, if you have something you'd like to upload, call me and I'll get it
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to the forum.
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(5,BoB) To get copies of the tapes you'll have to either send me a cassette or
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more or you'll have to wait until I can figure out an economical way of
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producing them, I do have dubbing equip but there is time and energy and
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postage involved about five bucks a tape probably. I'll have a list of
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the shows and guests avail in about a week some real good stuff including
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GB Ed in person, John Lear, Stan Friedman, Tim Good, and many many
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others, Dick Hall, PK, Duane Cook, Bruce, Danny Gordon - Wytheville, Budd
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Hopkins, Mike Shea ...
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(Ted) Ok, Let me know when there avail and I post it here.
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(5,BoB) The entire MARS Viking photo story ...
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(5,BoB) Charles Berlitz ...
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(5,BoB) that's enough for now ...
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(Ted) Ok. Once again Bob, thanks and we'll be in touch. In the mean time think
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about joining CompuServe and becoming a regular! ga
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(5,BoB) Roger! If I can find the utility and the finances it would be most
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enjoyable ...
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(5,EdC) I'll bend his ear on that account!
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(5,BoB) In the meantime, if anyone is interested in helping out on the research
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there is much to be done we are very fortunate in one regard and that is
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the radio format affords us the luxury of finding deep throats who seem
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to be willing to talk one is so scared that he uses three linked phone
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systems and a voice alterator and will not talk over the air for fear of
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being tracked he tells me that they compartmentalize the info so that
|
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they can readily track a leak it's a very sensitive issue, I'm sure you
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understand.
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(Ted) Give us a plug on your show, we're here every Sunday at 8:00 EDT
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(5,BoB) I will indeed!
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(5,EdC) g'nite
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(5,BoB) Thanks all
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(Ted) Nite! ga
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(5,DBC) Night Bob and thanks again.
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(5,JOSE B. RIVERA) beunas noches
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12:04:12 AM EDT Monday, August 8, 1988
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