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SUBJECT: THE PHOENIX PROJECT FROM A GENIE FORUM FILE: UFO2505
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PART 8
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Filename: Phoenix8.Reb
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Type : Rebuttal
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Author : Joseph Harris
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Date : 10/26/92
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Desc : Rebuttal to Jack Mathias
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Note : Also See Phoenix7.Reb (Phoenix7.Zip)
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JM> And I also don't doubt the information supplied regarding your talk
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JM> with officials at Beal. What he said is true. However the report
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JM> never repeat never stated that the planes in question came out of
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JM> Beal.
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That doesn't jive with The Phoenix report Jack... here, I'll let you
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read it again, and THEN tell me that the report "never, repeat never,
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stated that the planes in question came out of Beale."
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Memo
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August 12, 1989
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From Staff # 1
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To: Staff # 2
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Our contacts in the [Air Force] verify that on the [night] of
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August 10, 1989, at the time indicated in Report # 1 of that date,
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that eight F-4's, [scrambled from Beale [AFB]], CA. They had a
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brief radar-lock, on a "bogie" in the area described. However, they
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lost the target, [due to ground-] [clutter] when it suddenly
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descended into the mountainous terrain. They returned to the base
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when a further sweep of the area proved fruitless.
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You're right, the [AF] had a blip on their radar, but lost it
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when the ship dropped into that 20-mile approach corridor between
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the valleys and the radar dead zone.
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[ The bracketed portions are for emphasis.]
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[ Each one will be discussed below... ]
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* * *
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This is a DIRECT quote from the report Jack. Anyone here who saves
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reports like this can verify this for me.
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JM> Nor did it claim whose planes they were.
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The Air Force is mentioned 3 times in that one memo alone.
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JM> Personally, I would think a F-4 equipped with nose cameras would be
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JM> the ideal craft to be used if there might have been a chance to get
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JM> pictures.
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Ideal?
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First, taking pics of the object with an F-4 is impossible unless they
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take the jet pure vertical to take the picture. Their cameras are
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pointed at the ground, not out in front of them. If they wanted to know
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where the "object" was going, THEY WOULDN'T USE AN AIRCRAFT THAT IS
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SLOWER THAN EVERY OTHER A.F. INTERCEPTOR!. The F-4s max speed is Mach
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2. The F-15's max speed is 2.5! (roughly 350 mph faster than the F-4)
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Also, for a prolonged chase, the F-15's range is required, and far
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exceeds that of the F-4. The F-4s, with drop tanks, max out at 1978
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miles. The F-15's range is 3,570 miles! (also with drop tanks)
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The F-15 also has the "look-down" "shoot-down" radar, which means,
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unlike the F-4, no target could get "lost" due to ground clutter.
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Another major problem is that F-4s equipped for low level recon fly
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VERY low, like, 100 feet off the deck.
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THEY HAVE -NO- TERRAIN GUIDANCE EQUIPMENT.
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It's entirely "seat-of-the-pants" flying by pilot skill alone. They fly
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and take pictures during daylight hours only! Which also means, (guess
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what?), THEIR CAMERAS CAN NOT TAKE PHOTOS AT NIGHT!
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Your ideal aircraft to send up after a bogie?
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Slow, blind, and toothless.
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JM> But my thinking would be that these planes might be more interested
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JM> in where the unknowns went and not what they were. I am sure they
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JM> [the elite forces behind the mystery] have sufficient pictures of
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JM> alien craft already.
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Common Sense dictates that, even if you wanted to just "see where
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they're going," the F-15 is the obvious choice. The G'vt could then go
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in later and take as many detailed hi-alt pics of the area that they
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wanted to with the U-2, or the SR-71, with no-one the wiser.
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As John Hicks said, I too, have no axe to grind with you or the Phoenix
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Project. I -DO- have an axe ready for deliberate mis-information.
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Unfortunatly, I downloaded this mail after leaving the University of
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Nevada's Library. Consequently, I will be preparing another report
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about the rest of the K-2 claims shortly. I have to wait for one more
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piece of mail before I can post this report, so please be patient.
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JM> If the Phoenix Project has anything to say on this topic you can
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JM> rest assured that I will transmit it.
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Jack Do me a favor Jack, and ask them these questions for me:
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1. How can 8 F-4s be scrambled from a base that has NEVER operated
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fighter aircraft of ANY type?
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3. Why did the Phoenix Project NOT follow standard scientific
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procedures with regards to their magnatometer readings? (collect he
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data, and then -verify- it by different means. Thermal Imaging,
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ground penetrating radar, or ultra-sonics?)
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And the biggie...
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4. WHY DID THEY WAIT THREE YEARS BEFORE RELEASING THIS REPORT!?
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Joe.
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