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SUBJECT: THE PHOENIX PROJECT FROM A GENIE FORUM FILE: UFO2502
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PART 5
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Filename: Phoenix5.Thd
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Type : Message Thread
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Author : Jack Mathias
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Date : 09/02/02
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Desc : Reply/Rebuttal to Trevor Prinn's editorial message
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Directed to Michael Corbin
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Michael.
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Have read the following and feel that I have the right to interject my
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thoughts, etc. Not so much as for a defense to merely to clarify the
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points. In order to limit the message size I will omit any areas that
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do not pertain.
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Oh, before I start I will say that I remember sharing messages with the
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originator, Trevor Prinn.
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....Jack L Mathias.
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* Forwarded from "ParaNet UFO Echo"
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* Originally dated 08-30-92 2:10
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From: Trevor Prinn - "TP>" denotes quotes from Trevor Prinn's message.
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TP> I was quite interested in the Phoenix Project stuff until I read
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TP> that Paranet had obtained it from Jack L Mathias. About a year ago
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TP> Jack appeared in the Issues forum on Compuserve (CIS) with a couple
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TP> of SF stories he had written under the name Jay Lewis, and was
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TP> claiming to be true stories. They told of how he had been abducted
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TP> by aliens on numerous occasions and had eventually been informed by
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TP> them that he was himself an alien implanted into a human body and
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TP> was, in reality, the husband (or something) of one of his
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TP> abductors. He was trying to get them published as fiction but I
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TP> didn't think he was likely to succeed.
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Mr. Trevor Prinn is right to a point. I did get involved in the
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Paranormal Issues thread concerning UFOs etc and the topic of
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adductions did come up. And as Trevor states, I did put two files into
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the library which concerned the issue. However what Mr. Prinn says
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about numerous abductions isn't exactly the way I put it. I told of my
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1988 abduction and through this I learned I had been also abducted
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during my childhood. To date, I have been unable to recall any of the
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details and based my statement solely on what my abductors showed me.
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The part where Prinn states ... "informed by them that he was himself
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an alien implanted into a human body and was, in reality, the husband
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(or something) of one of his abductors" .. doesn't add up. However, in
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the story that I put into the library *The Recall* by J. Lewis, I did
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describe events that to this day I still belive to be real. As I stated
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at the time I wrote the stores as fiction because I knew that no one
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would believe them to be factual. Even I had trouble believing it.
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TP> In subsequent messages in the forum he mentioned things like having
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TP> broken into an underground alien base and getting into a (gun?)
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TP> fight with the greys who occupied it.
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I made no such claim. However if I remember correctly there were some
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people participating in the thread who tried to make this assumption.
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FYI this base is the one mentioned in the Phoenix Project K2 Report and
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if you have had the opportunity to read exhibit 21, I am the person who
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met and conversed with the Grey. However, at no time were there any
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hostil actions nor did anyone enter the base.
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TP> He also claimed to have been taught some mind control and ESP
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TP> techniques by the friendly aliens from the SF stories. The first of
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TP> these I recognised from an early novel by AE Van Vogt and when I
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TP> asked him if it was called the cortical thalamic pause he confirmed
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TP> it enthusiastically and near enough asked me which aliens had
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TP> taught it to me. When I told him where it came from he replied that
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TP> he had never read any Van Vogt, and that that author must therefore
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TP> have had some alien contact similar to his own. I didn't believe
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TP> the first part of that because I had already noted that the Jay
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TP> Lewis stories showed some stylistic similarities to Van Vogt. I
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TP> thought of writing to Van Vogt to get his opinion about the second
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TP> part but decided that it would probably just annoy him.
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I still make the claim that I have not read any of the stories
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mentioned by Mr. Prinn.
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TP> Later Jack posted some information about a further technique he had
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TP> been taught that enabled him to carry out telekinesis.
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I stated that I experimented and had little sucess. I said I was able
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to make a piece of paper vibrate but could not lift it. Someone,
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possibly Mr. Prinn suggested using a paper clip, stating it would work
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better. Unfortunately, I had no success there, either.
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TP> This also looked rather familiar and an hour spent poking around my
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TP> quite extensive SF collection turned up Jack of Eagles by James
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TP> Blish. Not only did this describe exactly the same thing in some
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TP> detail but Blish also made a deliberate mistake when quoting the
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TP> Blackett equation (a formulation of Heisenburg indeterminacy),
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TP> which Jack had witlessly copied. I don't know if it was significant
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TP> but both of these SF books were inspired by Count Korzybski's
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TP> exposition of General Semantics, Science and Sanity.
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I continue to make the same claim as above. I have not read any of the
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books mentioned. As for the Blackett equation I did use it but it
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wasn't until after Mr. Prinn said what it was that I knew this.
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TP> I posted a reply that included a reference to a scene in Jack of
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TP> Eagles so that Jack could, if he wished, continue our game without
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TP> letting on to the other forum participants, but he didn't reply and
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TP> posted no further messages in the forum. Not long after that money
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TP> trouble forced me to reduce my CIS usage to just a mailbox
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Seems Mr. Prinn suffered the same fate I did. However I ceased my
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connection in Issues/Paranormal when people started saying I should
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contact Don Ecker of MUFON. [At least I think that was the person they
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wanted me to contact. I am certain about MUFON. Ufortunately, I firmly
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believed and still believe that would have been a dangerous move.
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TP> and distribution point for my shareware business so I didn't know
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TP> that he had returned with more of this stuff. By coincidence, I
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TP> intended to rejoin the Issues forum in a week or two anyway, so I
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TP> hope he is still there peddling this Phoenix stuff - he gave me a
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TP> few good laughs last time around.
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TP>
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TP> (Sorry if that was a bit long but you know how it is when you are
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TP> assigning someone's character.) Trev Prinn
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I am also sorry this is so long, Michael. I failed to cut any of it
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because in the long run, it all counted.
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I will say this, however. When I got involved in Issues/Paranomral I
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had no idea, what-so-ever that the Phoenix Project would ever release
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any of our information. Had I, I sure wouldn't have input the
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information I did because as you can see, it did, discredit me. At
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least in Mr. Prinn's mind.
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Sincerely
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J. L Mathias. [Yes, the L stands for Lewis]
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