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SUBJECT: The Issues Forum 06/10/90 - GB UFOs FILE: UFO
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Bert | <Dialing Ed Walters>
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Drax | (Its me Jim Speiser)
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Jerry Woody: Hi Drax and everyone
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Ted | Hi James!
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Sysop Georgia Griff: ha
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Drax | (Well some people dont know my handle)
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Bert | All set to go here. I have Ed on the line. ga
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Ted | Tonights special guest is Mr. Ed Walters, the original
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| photographer of the Gulf Breeze UFO and co author (with
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| his wife Francis) of the book "The Gulf Breeze Sightings." ...
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| Ed, are there any recent sighting that you would like to
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| tell us about or any opening remarks that you would like
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| to make? ga
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Ed Walters: The sighting activity has continued very strongly. I can only
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| comment on the events that I witnessed even though the
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| investigators are flooded with many others. Along with
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| these continued sightings by groups of people with video
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| cameras and 35 mm cameras we have a hightened debunking
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| effort. The 1990 symposium is 3 weeks away and it seems
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| to have Phil Klass and his friends scared. The latest
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| effort to debunk me is a planted model made from materials
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| from my garbage. ga
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Ted | Care to enlighten us about that? ga
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Ed Walters: The model does not resemble the photographs that I have
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| taken in color or details. It only has the general shape
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| which is too flat and skinny, even though it was a very
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| clever model and I am impressed with the debunking efforts. ga
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Ted | Any idea how "they" gained access to your garage ga
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STEVE PETERSON: WHO PRESENTED THE MODEL? GA
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Ed Walters: I moved out of the house in question a year and a half
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| ago and the house was on the open market .. open every day
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| and very accessable for 10 months before it sold. But are
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| we to believe that I am stupid enough to move and vacate
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| everything from that old house except for a ufo model? ga
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Ted | Just a reminder, this is a formal Conference. If you have a
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| question or comment please signify with a "?" or "!"
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| I will open the floor to questions in a few minutes.
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| I am a bit confused. Did they find a model in your old home...
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| or did they find a materials that a model was built from?
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Ed Walters: The person who made the model is unknown and used material
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| from my discarded garbage and then when the house was
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| vacant some time during those 10 months placed the model
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| at the top of the pull-down stairs in the attic. ga
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Ted | Time to open the floor to questions. GA
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Drax | ?
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Ted | Ok, GA Drax
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STEVE PETERSON: ?
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Drax | Ed, assuming that the motive was to show the world what a
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| hoaxer you are and damage your credibility, why would they
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| wait so long to plant the model? Why wouldn't they time it
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| to coincide with the release of your book, or beforehand,
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| when you were doing publicity campaigns for the book? GA
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Ed Walters: If I am correct, the time of planting would be while the
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| house was vacant. Otherwise it would be very difficult to
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| do and the debunking campaign has really been contiunous
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| also involving the Smith hoax photo evidence i.e. Chrysler
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| Bldg. UFO. ga
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Ted | Ok, any follow DRAX? ga
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marge Christensen: !
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Drax | No, GA
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Ted | Ok, ga Steve
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marge Christensen: SORRY I GOT DISCONECTED BEFORE, HI EVERYONE
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Ted | Ga Steve
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STEVE PETERSON: ARE THERE PHOTOS OF THE POWER RING NOT FACING THE
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| CAMERA? GA
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Mike | ?
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Ed Walters: Assuming you are talking about photos that I have taken
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| there are some that show the craft in more of a profile but...
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| I always tried to hit the shutter as the craft tilted
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| forward making it brighter. ga
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Ted | GA Marge
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marge Christensen: Did I miss something or was there a comment about a
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| blueprint of yours being found inside the model? Can you
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| comment?
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Ed Walters: The model was made of discarded material, styrofoam
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| plates, drafting paper, old blue print planned paper all
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| glued together with a hole in the bottom to insert a
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| lightbulb. ga
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Mike | ?
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Drax | ?
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Ted | GA Mike
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Mike | I arrived late so excuse me if this question has already
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| been answered. Who found the model and was its existence
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| made known to the media? ga
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Ed Walters: The present owner of the house went up into his attic
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| where there's a large storage area and found it several
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| weeks ago. The interesting part of this is that 4 days ago
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| a news reporter came up to the door and asked if he had
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| found any models. It seems to me like the debunker was
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| tired of waiting for the model to be found and therefore
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| called in a tip to a newspaper reporter. ga
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Drax | ?
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Ted | GA DRAX
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Drax | This is second hand, but I understand you told someone else
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| a slightly different story, namely that you had built the
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| model at the behest of Dr. Maccabee for re-enactments and
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| measurements? Any truth to this? GA
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Ed Walters: I have built scores of re-enactment "models". All of
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| them made from very rudamentary material. I never used
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| styrofoam plates as this debunker model is made of. Mine
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| were lampshades and cardboard boxes so that Maccabee could
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| study size and distance calculations. ga
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Drax | But did you tell anyone that this was a re-enactment model? GA
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Ed Walters: The re-enactment models that I built were specifically
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| requested by the researchers such as Maccabee and Nathans.
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| The re-enactments were usually also video taped showing
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| the activity of the investigators. ga
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Ted | I think Jim (Drax) was trying to find out if you told anyone
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| that the the discovered model was one of those commisioned..
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| by Maccabee? ga
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Drax | That's what I was after.
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Ed Walters: When I saw the debunker model for the first time
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| yesterday, I said immediately I have no idea and no
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| information as to where it came from. And I certainly did
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| not build it. ga
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Ted | Ok, I know I had a lot of ?'s lined up before this bombshell ..
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| was dropped. Somehow the timing seems, how do I say...
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| Convieeeennnnient. (With apologies to Dana Carvey) So with
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| that in mind, I'd like to ask a ? on a different subject.
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| Can you tell us a bit about your abduction experiences? ga
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marge Christensen: ?
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Ed Walters: I have no concious recall of the hour and 15 min. of missing
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| time on May 1, 1988. The hypnosis by Dr. Overlaid revealed
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| many troubling events if we can trust the hypnosis. The
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| reason I believe something happened of a physical nature
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| during the missing time is I was left with bruises and
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| abrasions on my temples, between my eyes,
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| and on the back of my head. ga
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Ted | Can you tell us a bit about what your hypnotic regression
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| revealed? ga
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Ed Walters: I have been asked that question many times and
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| I still have no specific memory that would mean I was
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| in a ufo. I could have been in a building someplace. I did
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| not see any controls nor was I given a guided tour. I was
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| held in a small room. ga
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Ted | What happened in that small room? ga
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Ed Walters: It's very difficult for me to make sense of those events
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| I would rather believe, even though I can't, that it was
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| all a dream. ga
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Ted | Ok, Marge is next. ga
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marge Christensen: Did the request for a pardon coincide with the
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| publication of your book?
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| The reason I ask is that you mention owning firearms in the
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| book at a time when you were not permitted to own them as a
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| convicted felon.
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Ted | Seems like a "loaded" question. (Pun Intended) GA Ed
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marge Christensen: A copy of your pardon is circulating in case you are
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| not aware of that.
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Ed Walters: When I told the MUFON investigator about two and a half
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| years ago about my police record I had no idea Phil and
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| the debunkers would try to throw it in my face. After all
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| I was only an 18 year old kid. When it became clear that
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| my police record was going to be an issue. I applied for a
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| pardon in September of 1989. After a 6 month investigation
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| into my background and character, the govenor signed
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| my pardon. The guns that you refer to belong to my wife.
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| The shotgun was always unloaded in transport. ga
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STEVE PETERSON: ?
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Scott Blight: ?
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Ted | GA Steve
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STEVE PETERSON: WAS THERE ANY SENSATION OF TEMPERATURE OR PRESSURE
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| WHILE IN THE BLUE BEAM? GA
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Ted | GA Ed
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Ed Walters: The blue beam feels as if you are encased in hardened
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| concrete. It does not squeeze. It only stops your
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| movement. I didn't notice any heat change. But my mind
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| was on other things. ga
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Ted | Ok, GA Scott
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marge Christensen: !
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Scott Blight: Ed. Do you have any childhood memories of missing time
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| and/or unaccounted for scars or wounds.ga
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marge Christensen: Sorry, have to leave now. Supper's getting cold. Bye!
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Ed Walters: Under hypnosis, Dr. Overlaid recovered missing time events
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| at ages 11, 17, 25, and 33. No wounds or scars. ga
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Scott Blight: What year would you have been 11.ga
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Ed Walters: it would have been 1957. I'm 43 now. ga
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Kay | ?
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Ted | Ed, Do you have any idea what the "Other's" motivation
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| might be? ga
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Ed Walters: I was never given any message or had "conversations". I
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| believe that the aliens are persuing their own motives.
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| But many many people who write me letters feel like the
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| entities are benevelent. ga
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Ted | Ok, Kay is next GA Kay
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Kay | One of the things that has puzzled me for awhile about this
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| case is the fact that there are soooo many military bases
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| in the area Navy, Air Force. How often if ever, do the
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| military take notice of the goings on in Gulf Breeze, it
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| seems to me that they would be very concerned
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| about such happenings. GA
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Ed Walters:The military aircraft consistently show up at the sighting
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| locations moments after the ufo disappears. They deny the
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| following day that there was any ufo or any aircraft in
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| the area even though many scores of us have stood and
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| watched and video taped these sightings of the aircraft. ga
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Terry | ?
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Scott Blight: ?
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Ted | Ga Terry
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STEVE PETERSON: ?
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Terry | On our trip to Gulf Breeze we've noticed as we pass through
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| Tyndall Field on U.S. 98 that there is some kind of drone
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| research facility there. Is it possible that some
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| sightings are connected with that
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| and has anyone to your knowledge looked into that ? ga
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Ed Walters: I'm not familiar with Tyndall. It's a long way from us -- in
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| Panama City. ga
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Ted | Ga Scott
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Scott Blight: Ed. If you are 43 now then I guess you were born in
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| 1947...Interesting. How that year keeps coming up....anyway...
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| I just bought your book yesterday and haven't finished it yet...
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| Was the any results from the analysis of the bubbling liquid.ga
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Ed Walters: The analysis shows up at the end of the soil analysis
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| (in the book).It's not labelled well. Hard to tell when
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| the reports go from the soil to the liquid. ga
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Mike | ?
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Ted | GA Steve
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STEVE PETERSON: OK...
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| DID THE POWER RING ACT AS A JET NOZZLE
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| POINTING OPPOSITE OF DIRECTION OF TRAVEL? GA
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CosmicThAng: ?!
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Ed Walters: The video tape shows the ufo traveling to the left and
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| slightly tilted with the power source facing direction of
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| travel. ga
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Ted | GA Mike
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Mike | When was the last time you experienced the "humming"
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| and do you have any updates on the
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| significance of "Zehaas"? ga
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Ed Walters: The last humming was a slight hum on May 1, 1988. Your
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| guess is as good as mine as to what Zehaas means. ga
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Ted | GA CosmicThAng
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CosmicThAng: Sorry I'm over an hour late.
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| Comment: I appreciate your segregating the reports of
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| conscious memory from any hypnotic recall. I appreciate
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| that as a hypnotic subject.
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| Question: Tell me if this has already been answered, but
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| have you been regressed, what came out under hypnosis, and
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| what is your opinion of the validity or reliability of
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| hypnosis recall any thoughts on how to separate truth
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| from potential fantasy?
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Ed Walters: It's easier for me to believe that it's a dream because I
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| don't like to believe otherwise. But the physical bruising
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| makes me understand that something happened that I am
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| still trying to understand.
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Ted | DON, what questions does "UFO Magazine" have for Ed? ga DON
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STEVE PETERSON: ?
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Ted | I guess DON is gone. One last ? and Ed has to leave GA Steve
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STEVE PETERSON: OK...
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| ARE THERE ANY UPDATES ON THE PHOTO ANALYSIS SINCE THE BOOK...GA
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Ed Walters: Morrow and Co. hired an independent analysis prior to the
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| publication handled by Dr. Ebert, who concluded that he
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| personally could not believe in space travellers but could
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| find no evidence of photographic trickery. The sightings
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| continue and Dr. Maccabee has dozens of other photographs
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| and video tapes from Gulf Breeze witnesses. My mind is
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| open to many different theories and I look forward to
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| meeting and sharing at the 1990 MUFON symposium. Thank
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| you very much. Good night. ga
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Ted | I want to thank ED Walters for his time this evening and
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| especially Bert. Not only for Bert's time but also for his
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| dual telephones. Bert has been connected to not only CIS
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| for this CO but also long distance from Michigan to Florida
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| and has been relaying Mr. Walters ? and ! via land line!
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| That is well above the call of duty. Heart felt thanks to
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| Bert.
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Steve R | Thanks
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Terry | Thank you Ed.
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Kay | Thank You for your time Mr. Walters
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CosmicThAng: Thanks a lot Ed, though I don't know how you answered my
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Mike | Thanks much to Ed and Bert...and Ted.
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Kay | Good Job Bert!
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CosmicThAng: ?
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Terry | Yes, thanks, Bert.
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Bert | Night guys. It was real interesting. ga
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