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SUBJECT: SEVERAL LETTERS DEALING WITH UFO INFO FILE: UFO1852
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WASHINGTON INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY
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oceanographic and physical sciences
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Dr. Robert I. Sarbacher
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President and Chairman of Board
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November 29, 1983
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Mr.__________________
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_____________________
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Dear Mr.____________:
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I am sorry I have taken so long in answering your letters.
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However, I have moved my office and have had to make a
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number of extended trips.
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To answer your last question in your letter of October 14,
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1983, there is no particular reason I feel I shouldn't or
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couldn't answer any or all of your questions. I am delight-
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ed to answer all of them to the best of my ability.
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You listed some of your questions in your letter of
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September 12th. I will attemp to answer them as you had
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listed them.
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1. Relating to my own experience regarding re-
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covered flying saucers, I had no association with any
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of the people involved in the recovery and have no knowl-
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edge regarding the dates of the recoveries. If I had I
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would send it to you.
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2. Regarding verification that persons you list were
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involved, I can only say this:
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John Von Neuman was definitely involved. Dr. Vannever Bush
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was definitely involved, and I think Dr. Robert Oppenheimer
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also.
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My association with the Research and Development Board under
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Doctor Compton during the Eisenhower administration was
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rather limited so that although I had been invited to
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participate in several discussions associated with the re-
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ported recoveries, I could not personally attend the
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meetings. I am sure that they would have asked Dr. Von
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Braun, and the others that you listed were probably asked and
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may or may not have attended. This is all I know for sure.
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3. I did receive some official reports when I was in my
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office at the Pentagon but all of these were left there as at
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the time we were never supposed to take them out of the
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office.
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4. I do not recall receiving any photographs such as you
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request so I am not in a position to answer.
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5. I have to make the same reply as on No. 4.
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I recall the interview with Dr. Brenner of the Canadian
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Embassy. I think the answers I gave him were the ones you
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listed. Naturally, I was more familiar with the subject
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matter under discussion, at that time. actually, I would
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have been able to give more specific answers had I attend-
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ed the meetings concerning the subject. You must understand
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that I took this assignment as a private contribution. We
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were called "dollar-a-year men". My first responsibility was
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the maintenance of my own business activity so that my
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participation was limited.
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About the only thing I remember at this time is that certain
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materials reported to have come from flying saucer crashes
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were extremely light and very tough. I am sure our
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laboratories analyzed them very carefully.
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There were reports that instruments or people operating these
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machines were also of very light weight, sufficient to
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withstand the tremendous deceleration and acceleration
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associated with their machinery. I remember in talking with
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some of the people at the office that I got the impression
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these "aliens" were constructed like certain insects we have
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observed on earth, wherein because of the low mass the
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inertial forces involved in operation of these instruments
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would be quite low.
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I still do not know why the high order of classification has
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been given and why the denial of the existence of these
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devices.
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I am sorry it has taken me so long to reply but I suggest you
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get in touch with the others who may be directly involved in
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this program.
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Sincerely yours,
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(SIGNATURE)
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Dr. Robert I. Sarbacher
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P. S. It occurs to me that Dr. Bush's name is inccorrect
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as you have it. Please check the spelling.
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JUNE 13, 1987
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Dear Sirs,
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Although I missed your very recent radio and tv shows, a
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friend suggested that I write this letter and share my
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information with you. I am fifty year af age engineer that
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has worked in the private sector, as well as with the
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government.
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From 1975 to 1980, i was involved with several investigations
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having to do with E.T. material. Even though the project was
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very well covered, I am still very much surprised that
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Project Pluto and results have not surfaced yet.
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In as much as the project was handled by others, there was no
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question that the government was in full control. For
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security purposes, Project Pluto had five levels. Those who
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investigated one level had nothing to do with the next, and
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would only turn in the results of data of these findings to
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the next level, then go on to another area.
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No one that I knew ever had the results of two levels at the
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same time. There was only one very rare exception to the
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rule which took place in 1975, and was in fact my very first
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assignment with the project. I was employed by a non-
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government firm that of course was directly involved with the
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government, and probably fronted for them on the projects.
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I would assume that eventually government records could be
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made available to the general public, but not from the
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private sector. I'm not really sure. In any event, several
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others and myself were rushed to a rather remote place in
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upstate Pennsylvannia.
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We were informed that every thing was top secret, and had to
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remain that way. We were even housed in a hotel close by,
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and security people were assigned to us. Some type of
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aircraft had crashed in this area, and the government felt
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that it would be easier and faster to do all of their
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investigation right there rather than to move the remains of
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the wreck, and whatever evidence the soil may contain.
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The wreck site was rather difficult to get to, however, we
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turned it into a construction site, clearing the area, and
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building two small and one very large metal pre-fab buildings
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over and around the wreck. Heavy equipment, materials, and
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workers were flown in and out on a daily basis.
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We were moved from the hotel to some mobile homes that were
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brought in for us, and many more top level people who joined
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us. I might add that the local people who still lived some
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distance from the site, were led to believe that a large
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private corporation was preparing to build an electrical
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power supply for the area. But it was off limits to everyone
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in the area.
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We were some of the first ones on the scene other than lots
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of security people. The wreck had already been covered by
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very large canvas blankets, and large nets were tented over
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head to protect the site from any possible air traffic. I
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did manage to get a very good look at the wreck on several
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occasions. My first thoughts were that it may have been and
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experimental air craft of our government, or perhaps the
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government of another.
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It was later suggested to us that it was a new type of air
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craft of a foreign government, and it was a super hush hush
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project. That air craft was nothing like I have ever seen or
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probably ever will again.
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The crash site was also something quite different. The
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disturbed soil was about a hundred feet in diameter, although
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the craft was much larger in length. I only saw what
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appeared to be about two/thirds of the rear end, and even
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that was about ten feet below the surface. When it crashed
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on about a 30 degree angle, it pushed all the earth back away
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from the craft itself. Almost as if the hole were made
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first, and then something half the size was put in place.
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My best thought of this rather strange hole is that some kind
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of magnetic field had pushed all the earth away from the
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craft at impact. It was reasonable to assume that I was
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looking down at the rear end of the air craft, yet there was
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nothing to indicate that it had any kind of engine as we know
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it. Not even one little opening.
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I don't really like to use the term cigar, but since I could
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not see the front part, it certainly appeared to have once
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been shaped like a large cigar. That's by best description.
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If it was a craft from a foreign government, then we are in
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big trouble. I actually held one small portion of the wreck
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in my hand. Incidently, there was only a very small reading
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of radio waves in the area. The area was quite safe. There
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was on the other hand, a great deal of free magnetic energy
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in that area. It was very difficult using our instruments.
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It was very difficult just to establish the correct time.
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Every wrist watch was a different time.
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The piece of physical evidence that I held in my hand, was a
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material that I really can't identify. It may have been torn
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from the front of the craft when it crashed. A few of us
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compared thoughts as to what it might be, but no one was
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really certain. None of us had ever seen anything like it
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before. It was about one square foot and about an inch
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thick. It weighed almost nothing, and one had the feeling
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that it may blow away if you let go of it and the wind
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increased.
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It was the same color and texture of the large portion, so it
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was safe to assume that it was part of the shell of the
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craft. It weighed nowhere near enough to be any metal that
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we had ever seen. It even weighed less than any plastic that
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I had seen of a similar size.
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I tried to scratch it with a pocket knife, and even cut away
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a small piece of the edge, but the knife did nothing to it.
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The surface was clear as glass, and stronger than anything we
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had ever seen. It was like trying to scratch the surface of
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glass with a feather. Of course, we had to turn it into the
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security people.
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After the site was secure, the first groups that included
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myself were taken away. There was a very thorough strip
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search prior to us being given jumpsuits, and put into a
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truck for the transportation to a waiting plane. We were
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taken to another area and debriefed before we were allowed to
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return to our normal way of life.
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About three months later, a few of us returned to the site to
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remove the buildings, fill up the hole, and generally put
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the area back into the same shape as it may have been prior
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to the crash. We went through the same type of security
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search and debriefing as we had done the first time.
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Whatever was left of the craft had been removed and sent to -
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unknown-.
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Almost one year to the day, I was sent to another crash site.
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Everything was a repeat of the first time, except that there
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were six of us. Four of us were part of the first crash
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site, and the other two were new. This time the air craft
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was buried so deep into the lower side of a hill that we
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could not get a good look at it.
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The security arrangements were just about the same, and we
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constructed similar buildings around it. It was very close
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to a rerun of the first crash site. Only this time we were
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told, "as a matter of fact it was a top secret experimental
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air craft that had crashed". I could however, manage to see
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the rear end of the craft. It appeared to be the same type
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as the first. The code name of the project was Pluto, as it
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was the first also. Incidently, that was in upstate New
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York, in 1976. I do not know if there were any "people" or
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life forms aboard.
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Several years later, I had an occasion to be in the area of
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site #one. The bartender only recognized me because he
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brought in our first room service the first night we stayed
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there. There was no room service there, but he made his one
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and only exception to the rule for us. He asked me lots of
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questions which of course had no answers for, nor would I
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give any. He told me that he heard that there were lots of
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medical people on the site. He thought that rather odd for
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an electric power station. He assumed that there must have
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been some kind of an accident, or lots of waste material in
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the area. We let it go at that.
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It appears that security was very good, and no one had any
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idea that an air craft had crashed there. I suspect that the
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air craft was fifty feet in diameter and as long as two
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hundred feet. I could be wrong in the length. As I recall
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the under portion of air craft #one had more of a flat
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surface. It was difficult to see, but I do recall the
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difference in the portion of the under surface that I could
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see.
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There were also a few interesting grooves on the top and side
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areas about twenty feet long. We had speculated that either
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a steering fin had been attached, or a place where it could
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slide through from the inside, similar to the type of
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system used to lower wheels on any air craft. First
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speculation!
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In 1978, I was again sent to a crash site. We arrived the
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day after the security people. This time the air craft
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landed in a lake in upstate Pennsylvannia. We went through
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the same motions, and built several buildings on the edge of
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the lake to house the craft, once it was removed from the
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water. Lots of Navy equipment was flown in, and there were
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divers everywhere. The same magnetic field was present as in
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the first two incidents. There was no air craft.
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I spent three weeks there in the event that the buildings had
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to be adjusted. It seems that the divers had located the
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exact spot that the air craft had rested on the bottom, but
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it was gone. There was lots of evidence on the beach that
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something very large had crashed into the lake causing the
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water of the lake to splash ashore, over thirty feet, and
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what was normally a rather clean lake, was suddenly a very
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large mudhole. After three weeks, I left and was subjected
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to the same type of security as the first two times.
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I didn't have to return to dismantle the pre-fab buildings.
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I would think that it was done by others very soon there
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after. There was some thoughts at first that the craft may
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have been buried under the bottom of the lake, but by this
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time, we knew enough about the craft to know if that were the
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case. It was not - it just vanished. Perhaps it was not
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damaged and managed to fly away. That may sound silly, but I
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believe that it is a reasonable conclusion. There was some
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damage to the immediate area. Six large electrical
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transformers, and some other equipment were burnt out and had
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to be replaced by the electric company. The government took
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the electrical equipment and had it flown somewhere else.
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In 1979, I was sent to the shores of southern Texas. The
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same type of situation, all the evidence led us to believe
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that whatever it was, it landed in the water and flew away.
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I understand that over twenty men actually saw it go into the
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water, but the days that followed bore no fruit. The Navy
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divers had a good deal of evidence that some thing has made
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a very large recent gash on the bottom in about seventy feet
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of water.
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The very same magnetic field was present, and every thing
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electrical in the immediate area was burnt out. By the end
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of 1979, I was sent back to the very same lake in Northern
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Pennsylvannia. It was a duplicate incident as the first time
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we were there. It had landed in the lake and was gone. The
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same electrical items were again destroyed, and the same
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magnetic field was evident. I really have no physical
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evidence to prove one way or another the identification of
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the air craft. I can only examine what I have experienced
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and wonder! My opinion is another story.
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I don't really believe that the air craft belongs to our
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Government or any other government on this earth. From 1975
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to present, we would certainly have seen some kind of
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revolutionary change in our air craft. To date, I still have
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not seen any material to even slightly match the very first
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piece of physical evidence that I had examined. That alone,
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would have made a fantastic change in the material we use
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today. No corporation or government could keep that kind of
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material quality under cover for over twelve years. If they
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had invented it.
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After twelve years we probably don't even know what it is, or
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how to make it. I am positive that at the very least, they
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have two of the air craft hidden somewhere, and probably have
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learned very little from them, other than they exist.
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However, the company that I was associated with has made some
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gigantic leaps forward in electromagnetic forces. Perhaps
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they did learn something from it after all. If we wish to
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assume that these air craft are not from this earth, and are
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from way out there in space, then my goodness, the planet
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must be full of visitors. The air traffic alone, must be
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fantastic. It seems to me that who ever they are they have
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found it easier to land in the water rather than on our dry
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earth. Perhaps it was designed to land on water or a very
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flat surface.
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I have never really had any feelings one way or another
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abvout E.T.'s. I have elected to deal with hard evidence
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only, that was prior to 1975. For those few years
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afterwards, I could not help but interject some opinions into
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my brain.
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As I would rather deal with hard evidence only, I am forced
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to put all of this on a scale, and take a good hard look at
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the tilting of the scales. There is far too much here to
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ignore. I must confess that I had some what leaned towards
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the experimental air craft story. But as the years passed,
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it became evident that was only a cover story. Too much time
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has past, and our air craft are pretty much the same. There
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is no doubt in my mind that we as well as others, are
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constantly experimenting with new air craft, however at this
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late date, I am reasonably certain that those crash sites
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were not made by anything that we are familiar with, and then
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again, I still kind of reserve that possibility. As you can
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see, I have many mixed feelings about it.
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Im addition, I have no way of knowing if I had been on every
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crash site that occurred. There may have been many more
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during that period and many more since then.
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I really don't know if any one had ever been removed from the
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two wrecks, that I had personally seen. Perhaps they were
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only mechanical flights. Perhaps the medical people were
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only there - just in case. And/or to test the wreck for any
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form of unknown bacteria prior to removing it. Their being
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present is not really evidence that a life form was found.
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It could go either way.
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I just cannot imagine our government or any other keeping it
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such a secret, if in fact, they were not from this earth. It
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really serves no purpose that I can understand. Also appears
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to me that if they were from somewhere else that they mean us
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no harm. I would suspect that after all these years, if they
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meant us harm, we would most certainly know about it by now.
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Even if they were only mechanical flights, the fact that they
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could get here at all...so many times, is certainly a feat in
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itself, and worthy of publication.
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If the fact that they managed to get here at all, and the
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physical evidence, the material that I examined is any
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indication of how intelligent they are, then I would feel
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safe in assuming that they have left us in the stone age. On
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a personal level, I have no fear of meeting or contacting
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such a being. In fact, the very first time I saw the craft,
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the thought had entered my mind. I didn't expect a being
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like Frankenstein to come walking out. And for a short time
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I had wondered what I would do if suddenly a door opened and
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some form of life came out. What the heck! If it didn't
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look too bad I may have walked up and said hello just as I
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would to anyone else who may visit me.
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I would think that I would be more afraid of picking up some
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unknown form of bacteria than I would be of the life form
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itself. Well, today we can pick up AIDS...so, as I put the
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germ fear aside. Yes. I would certainly try to be friendly
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once the first wave of fear passed me by. What I fear more
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than any visitor is that some farmer is going to get them
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with a shot gun and do more damage than we can or want to
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handle. Also, some cowboy policeman trying to shoot his
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first space man. Because of that I should think that our
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government would try to edcucate us as to the proper way to
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handle any such situation. That little bit of awareness and
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education may save our planet form destruction. If there is
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clear evidence that we are being visited by intelligent life
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forms, then the heads of our government are by far crazier
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than I had imagined by trying to keep it a secret. The
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damage of hostile action on our part may not be repairable.
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I'm sorry but I am not familiar with your group, but my
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friend was very impressed by your speaker on tv as well as
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the radio. Because of that I am trying to share whatever
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information and evidence that I have which is in fact all
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first hand data. I have illustrated the evidence and
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information as it happened, and made note of where I
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speculated.
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There are many items that I have not included in this
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letter, only because this could turn into forty or fifty
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pages. At some time in the future, if you wish, I will take
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my time and write every detail that I can remember. I'll
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also put it on tape for clarification.
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I was told that you plan to open another branch in the future
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in the Philadelphia area? If that's the case I would
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certainly be interested in some form of association with your
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group. I belong to no other and never had any desire to,
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however, I understand that you are serious people, and worthy
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of respect. I regard the opinion of my friend very highly.
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He is a professor of physics, and himself a very serious
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person. I would appreciate your sending me some literature
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about your group, and your plans if any to enter the
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Philadelphia area. I think that you have selected a very
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good location. There are many very serious people there and
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a good solid investigation group would be quite welcome. I'm
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certain that once you entered the area the support group
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would be fantastic. If you selected Philadelphia, then the
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assured that you picked the right city for another branch.
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Incidently, my experience in the E.T. world ended in 1980,
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when I changed positions. Have you had any reports of
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material that I examined belonging to an air craft from
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others? And the ever present magnetic field, do you gave any
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reports from others similar to that? I have heard of others
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saying that they have seen a cigar shaped air craft, and I
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feel rather silly. Perhaps that's not the word. But, to the
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best of my knowledge and sight, it appeared to be just that.
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A cigar shaped craft. Please note that in both cases, I had
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never seen the front of the craft. i can only assume that
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the design was constant. I'll close for now and hope to hear
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from you.
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I remain,
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(AUTHORS NAME CENSORED)
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April 20, 1980
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Dear ________,
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I read your letter of the 13th with considerable interest.
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It seems difficult to believe that I have finally found
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someone that is as interested in finding out the true story
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of Project Red Light.
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First of all I would like to address the specific points
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requested in your letter, and then I will expand on them and
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other items as well.
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1. I did not know about the UFO movie prior to reading your
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article.
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2. I found out the name of Project Redlight almost by
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accident. I was ____________________________________________
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in a warehouse at Area 51 and saw a large number of wooden
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shipping crates (the type made with tongue and groove lumber
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and used for shipping heavy items securely) with the code
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name "Project Redlight" written with grease pen or felt tip
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pen. Also on the crates was a stencilled "Edwards AFB" in
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standard military type of letters.
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3. The article in Readers Digest that I referred to was
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about a UFO that flew over the US from the East Coast to
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where it "blew up" somewhere over eastern Nevada. The
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article did not state that the pilot was human. I'm sorry
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for the confusion on this. The reason that I felt that this
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Digest article is important is that I remember a period
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shortly after the date given in the article (I don't
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reemember what it was, sorry) everything came to a screeching
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halt at Area 51. As you can see, I am just putting two and
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two together, but I am satisfied that the UFO of the Digest
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article and the UFO of Project Redlight are/were one and the
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same.
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Now for some additional information that has come to mind
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since I talked to you.
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Your report about the motorcycle riders is interesting. I
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can remember hearing similar rumors while I worked on the
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test site and I would not doubt the authenticity of your
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report. The security force at Area 51 while I serviced the
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Area were heavily armed and I considered them dangerous.
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There were several times that I was in the wrong place at the
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right time and had it not been provable that i was not
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snooping or trying to snoop I really don't think I would be
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writing you this letter. Incidentally, the security wore
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standard air police uniforms but looked nothing like any of
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the AP's I have ever dealt with. They were all in their 30's
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to 40's, and looked like dock workers. Also as I remember it
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the only markings they wore just said Air Police. They did
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not have Nellis AFB on anything but a few of their vehicles,
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and I believe that they were assigned to Edwards rather than
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Nellis. The reason I remember this is that it seemed strange
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to me during my first trip to Area 51 I noticed a slight
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difference in their uniforms from Nellis AP's, and I over-
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heard a couple of remarks that indicated they were from
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Edwards.
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Another interesting point. I was accustomed to going out
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onto the Bombing and Gunnery Range and had a number at Indian
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springs (Nellis AFB maintains a forward area base there) to
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call to get clearence onto the range. This was SOP.
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However, in the case of Area 51 I called the security office
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at Area 51. This indicated to me that Nellis AFB had nothing
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to do with the operation of Area 51. Also the designation of
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Area 51 was classified TOP SECRET.
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Incidentally, although I carried a "Q" clearance from the
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Atomic Energy Commission as well as an inter agency TOP
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SECRET clearance I was investigated for a special Air Force
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TOP SECRET clearance in order to operate in Area 51.
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At this point I am going to give you just a series of
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disconnected observations that I made in the hope that they
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may tie in with something you or Len Stringfield may know.
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1. I saw some crates being unloaded from a cargo plane. The
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aircraft was a super constellation with standard markings and
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had nothing to indicate it had any military connections.
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There was no airline name on it.
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2. I only saw the UFO one time. It was on the ground and
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partly hidden behind a building and at first I thought it was
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a small private aircraft until I noticed it had no wings or
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tail. I was probably 1/2 mile or farther from it but I would
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guess it 20 to 30 feet in diameter and sort of a pewter color
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rather than bright polished aluminium.
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3. The reason I know it flew silently is I was present on a
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number of occasions when it was landing or taking off (I was
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always taken inside and out of view of the runway at these
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times) and at no time did I hear anything that sounded like a
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conventional or any other kind of engine.
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4. I was working on their ______ several times when they
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just_______. However since I was there to work on them I
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really didn't think anything about it. Oh yes, they would
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___________ again just as suddenly. Also there were a number
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of times that I was called out to work on ______ and could
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not find anything wrong with it.
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5. On of the men that I knew were "Pilots" was just slightly
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larger than me.
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6. Most of the test flights occurred in the daytime rather
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than at night.
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7. The radio frequency they used at that time was in the
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regular commercial VHF band and was a simplex frequency. At
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one time I had the Freq. written down but I have no idea now
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what it was. Anyway, i really think that someone with a
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scanner could pick them up if they were to park on the road
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to the east of the test site and use some kind of directional
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antenna.
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8. Before I send this letter I will try to gey a USC&GS map
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of the area and will mark the location of Area 51 on it.
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9. There was a Radar Station at the north end of the test
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site near the town of Tonopah, Nevada. A fellow from my home
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town of _______,________ was an operator there. His name is
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__________ __________ . We were talking about the test site
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one day when he mentioned that he was always picking up UFO's
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over the test site but was told to ignore them. I remember
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him telling about one that he picked up on the edge of his
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RBI on the first revolution was directly overhead on the
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second pass and was just going off the scope on the third
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revolution of the antenna.
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10. For some reason I seem to remember that the Redlight is
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spelled Redlight i.e. all one word.
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11. I always had the impression that the flight test area
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was from Area 51 north because there is a natural valley that
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runs in that direction for 200 miles or so. Also the area
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to the south was more populated. Also I entered Area 51 from
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the north and there were a couple of times that i was
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questioned about whether I had 'noticed' anything on the way
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in.
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12. I was reminded constantly that no matter what I saw I
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could be in serious trouble if I ever talked about any of it.
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I can't stress how much how tight the security was, it was
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almost paranoid.
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13. I don't think this has anything to do with Redlight, but
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I remember when I was a kid back in the 40's, on two
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occasions I saw a story about UFO's included in the weekly
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Pathe' News. There was one story about a UFO that had
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crashed somewhere and another story about a UFO thaqt was
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found in some farmers barn. Both of those stories were given
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the usual news treatment. The reason that I am mentioning
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this is that I recently read an article about the entire
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library of Pathe' movie film being given to an institution of
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some kind which would make it available to researchers. i am
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certain that if these film clips could be located they would
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be useful. Realizing that these stories appeared prior to
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Blue Book and at a time of Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon,
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there is probably a better than even chance that they can be
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located by someone willing to spend the time viewing a few
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hundred hours of old news film.
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14. More on item #7, the air-to-ground frequencies were in
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the 200mc range. I believe there is a standard set of air-to
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-ground or government frequencies either just above or just
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below the 220mc ham band and their communications were on
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those frequencies.
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Well there you have it ______. I hope that I have shed some
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light on some dark areas. Should any other thoughts come to
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mind that I feel may be important I will try to catch you on
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the ____________. Hopefully if I can get things settled down
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to a dull roar I will be able to start checking in on a more
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permanent basis. Of course, should you have any questions or
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want further clarification please contact me.
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(signature)
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NOTE...Any information that would identify the sender or
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recipient of this letter has been deleted in order to protect
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them. The original document contains both names and
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addresses but will be given to no one without their
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permission. The reason Len Stringfields name is left in is
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that he is a known UFO researcher and it cannot hurt him as
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he was not the sender or receiver.
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