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SUBJECT: THREAD ON MRI & LEAR'S HYPOTHESIS FILE: UFO1846
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Msg: #4628 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
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18-JAN-88 08:39 AM
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Subj: #4558 - Lear.txt (R)
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From: Jim Delton
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To: John Lear (X)
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Even if cat scans are spaced at 5mm, you have a 50-50 chance that on any
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single cat scan you will hit the 3mm sphere. I'm not all that familiar with
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cat scans, but I strongly suspect that the normal 5mm spacing could be reduced
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if there was some reason to but just taking multiple scans would almost assure
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taht one would find the 3mm sphere if there was one. I don't doubt that Bub
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wants a "better way" to find thlem since the current methods somehow "miss"
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them.
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Reply(s) #4669
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Msg: #4630 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
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18-JAN-88 08:47 AM
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Subj: #4561 - Lear.txt
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From: Jim Delton
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To: John Lear (X)
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Sure copies would be nice. Actually, if you have that lmuch stuff, why not
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edit it down into a coherent documentary? Does any of it stand on its own or
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must it all be taken together to synthesize the big picture? How much is
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antecdotal as opposed to factual or physical?
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Msg: #4635 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
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18-JAN-88 09:16 AM
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Subj: #4599 - Lear.txt
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From: Jim Delton
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To: Tom Mickus (X)
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Most people don't have Cat scans of their head unless their doctor is looking
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for something. I think it is fairly safe to assume thatýé if the Dr. saw a
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mysterious 3mm dot he þòwould want to know what it was.
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Msg: #4638 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
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18-JAN-88 10:06 AM
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Subj: #4558 - Lear.txt
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From: Ralph Toscano
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To: John Lear (X)
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Perhaps X-rays and CAT scans MAY miss these devices... But I don't think a MRI
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scan would... This may be worth investigating...
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Msg: #4639 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
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18-JAN-88 10:10 AM
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Subj: #4586 - Lear.txt (R)
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From: Ralph Toscano
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To: Steve Gresser (X)
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MRI is the new name given to the technique called Nuclear Magnetic
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Resonance... The AMA didn't like the term "Nuclear", so they renamed the
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technigue to MRI - Magnetic Resonance Imaging...
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Reply(s) #4652 #4672
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Msg: #4652 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
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18-JAN-88 03:23 PM
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Subj: #4639 - Lear.txt (R)
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From: Jim Delton
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To: Ralph Toscano (X)
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If it is the device I think it is, you must remove all metal object before
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being "installed" in the machine. It would quite pemanently ruin a watch due
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to the high magnetic fields. I think it would find the 3mm sphere's but of
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course if it didn't then we would be told that was because the EBE's made them
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out of something that has the same properties as brain matter so it won't show
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up. There is always ar reason why they can't find them, but it is never
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because they aren't there.
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Reply(s) #4692
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Msg: #4692 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
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19-JAN-88 09:42 AM
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Subj: #4652 - Lear.txt
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From: Ralph Toscano
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To: Jim Delton (X)
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Good point, probably the response we would get...
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Msg: #4672 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
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19-JAN-88 02:35 AM
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Subj: #4639 - Lear.txt
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From: Steve Gresser
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To: Ralph Toscano (X)
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I knew I heard NMR somewhere - didn't some guy who used to work for the
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Beatles develope it, or something as weird?
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Msg: #4640 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
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18-JAN-88 10:21 AM
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Subj: #4605 - Lear.txt (R)
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From: Ralph Toscano
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To: James Vincent (X)
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Actually, the nuclei of many atoms posses angular momentun (spin) and
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nonvanishing magnetic moments. The former may be characterized by an angular
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momentum quantum number I (integer or half interger) of the nuclear particles.
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As far as is known, stable nuclei with an even number of nuetrons and even
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number of protons have zero spin and magnetic moment, hence are incapable of
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exhibiting magnetic resonance. Thus NMR may be observed in insulators, metals,
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paramagnetic salts, antiferromagnetic substances and other solids, liquids,
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gases.
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Reply(s) #4683
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Msg: #4683 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
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19-JAN-88 04:27 AM
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Subj: #4640 - Lear.txt (R)
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From: James Vincent
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To: Ralph Toscano (X)
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So then I assume MRI could find these "alien brain balls" without too much
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difficulty...unless of course 3M developed the MRI machines, and conveniently
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placed some sort of safety feature that "ignored" small spheres secretly
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planted in the brain...
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-=James
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Reply(s) #4695
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Msg: #4695 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
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19-JAN-88 09:48 AM
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Subj: #4683 - Lear.txt (R)
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From: Ralph Toscano
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To: James Vincent (X)
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As a matter of fact, the company that I work for North American Philips is ONE
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of the developers of the MRI(or NMR) system... and as far as I can tell, there
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is no "safety" feature of the type you describe...
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Reply(s) #4721
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Msg: #4721 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
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20-JAN-88 04:47 AM
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Subj: #4695 - Lear.txt (R)
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From: Nick Ianuzzi
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To: Ralph Toscano (X)
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Ah, but what the designers don't (and can't) realize is that the EBEs
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implanted devices in their brains to prevent them from designing an MRI
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machine capable of detecting the implanted objects. It's all quite simple when
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you think about it.
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Reply(s) #4726
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Msg: #4726 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
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20-JAN-88 06:35 AM
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Subj: #4721 - Lear.txt
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From: Ralph Toscano
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To: Nick Ianuzzi
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Really??!! That's one hell of alot of people... Them there EBE guys musta been
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pretty durn buzy... That's thousands of people we're talking about here....
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Msg: #4641 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
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18-JAN-88 10:32 AM
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Subj: #4614 - Lear.txt (R)
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From: Ralph Toscano
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To: Steve Gresser (X)
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In short, a phenomena exhibited by the magnetic spin systems of certain atoms
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whereby the spin systems absorb energy at specific (resonant) frequencies when
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subjected to alternating magnetic fields in referred to as Magnetic
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Resonance... These resonant frequencies can be detected and processed into an
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image for diagnostic use. With MRI, we are NOT restricted by the location of a
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"foreign" body under examination...Or the composition for that matter...
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Reply(s) #4673
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Msg: #4673 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
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19-JAN-88 02:38 AM
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Subj: #4641 - Lear.txt (R)
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From: Steve Gresser
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To: Ralph Toscano (X)
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I know, I've seen some of the things that they can do with this sucker.
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Imagine being able to not only see a tumor for where it is, but to see it
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alone, in 3 dimensions (spinning and rotating, and all that) from any angle.
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Or to see a skull fracture as it looks from inside the skull, including any
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shards of bone in the brain. We're talking Star Trek here!
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Reply(s) #4682 #4693
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Msg: #4682 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
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19-JAN-88 04:13 AM
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Subj: #4673 - Lear.txt (R)
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From: James Vincent
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To: Steve Gresser (X)
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Right, but then what is the one that measures the liquid levels, and all that?
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I know there is such a technique. I think.
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-=James
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Reply(s) #4702
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Msg: #4702 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
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19-JAN-88 03:16 PM
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Subj: #4682 - Lear.txt (R)
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From: Steve Gresser
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To: James Vincent (X)
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Really don't know, James. Mayhaps Ralph can help again?
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Reply(s) #4719
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Msg: #4719 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
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20-JAN-88 02:51 AM
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Subj: #4702 - Lear.txt (R)
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From: James Vincent
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To: Steve Gresser (X)
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Yes, where is that Mayhaps Ralph when you need him?
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Reply(s) #4757
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Msg: #4757 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
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21-JAN-88 02:03 AM
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Subj: #4719 - Lear.txt (R)
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From: Steve Gresser
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To: James Vincent (X)
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M. Mayhaps Ralph hath doth left me a post - I'll be reading it in a 2400 baud
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second!
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Reply(s) #4790
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Msg: #4790 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
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22-JAN-88 12:53 AM
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Subj: #4757 - Lear.txt (R)
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From: James Vincent
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To: Steve Gresser (X)
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Read and summarize!!!
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-=James
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Reply(s) #4794
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Msg: #4794 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
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22-JAN-88 04:00 AM
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Subj: #4790 - Lear.txt
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From: Steve Gresser
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To: James Vincent (X)
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Summary is as follows: Ain't got nothin to do with what we're talking about.
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Msg: #4642 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
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18-JAN-88 10:42 AM
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Subj: Lear.Txt (R)
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From: Ralph Toscano
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To: John Lear (X)
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John;
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I found your statement intriguing to say the least. It would seem that
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your credibility is quite solid, yet I feel a certain hesitatency about
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certain statements. And others I feel are mere pooh! As an ex-Air Force
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Officer, I find it rather incredulous to think that an unknown object could
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land at an AFB without a near riot occurring... And for ET to "walk" up to the
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Wing Commander... Well I just can't buy this... I still wonder about why the
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EBE's are letting you talk.
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Reply(s) #4645
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Msg: #4645 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
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18-JAN-88 12:07 PM
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Subj: #4642 - Lear.Txt
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From: John Lear
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To: Ralph Toscano (X)
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Like many of those responding you obviously know very little about what you
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speak. Bentwaters was one of the best documented UFO with Aliens debarking
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incidents that the public is aware of. As an ex-Air Force Officer you would be
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the least qualified to talk about UFO's on a network such as this if for no
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other reason than JANAP 146. If you can find Gen. Gordon Williams ( I have) go
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talk to him. He is the one that the aliens went up to. Or you can talk to Col
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Charles I. Halt (he wrote the memo to the British) or how about Col Ted Conrad
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or how about Maj. Greg Williams or how about AF Security policeman Larry
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Warren or how about AFSP Adrian Buztinsa. ¨QÂ^’Ó¦N$Dae ·ÄÚÈZwÕõ Just tell
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me how many of these guys you have personally interviewed to make the
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statements you have. John
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Msg: #4649 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
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18-JAN-88 01:59 PM
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Subj: #4558 - Lear.txt (R)
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From: Sue Miller
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To: John Lear (X)
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How convenient. Now the devices are only in children. Hmm. Lots of little
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kids stuff things like beads up their nose.... hmmm. And why is "Bud" not
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pursuing this any more? Could be he found NOTHING? Nah.
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Reply(s) #4696
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Msg: #4696 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
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19-JAN-88 09:51 AM
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Subj: #4649 - Lear.txt (R)
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From: Ralph Toscano
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To: Sue Miller (X)
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How interesting it is that when children are LOSING at a game, they CHANGE the
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rules to suit themselves...If you get my drift??
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Reply(s) #4706
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Msg: #4706 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
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19-JAN-88 04:31 PM
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Subj: #4696 - Lear.txt (R)
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From: Sue Miller
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To: Ralph Toscano (X)
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Yes. I have pretty much dropped out of this discussion for that reason. Sort
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of like trying to argue with JW's (Jehovah's Witnesses). They have their
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minds firmly made up, you can't speak logically with them -- and then they
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tell you you're narrow minded (or stupid, or worship the devil, etc.). Not
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worth it, really. heheheheheh
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Reply(s) #4725
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Msg: #4725 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
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20-JAN-88 06:32 AM
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Subj: #4706 - Lear.txt (R)
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From: Ralph Toscano
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To: Sue Miller (X)
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I feel more or less as you do... However, there is that tiny spark in me that
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wonders if any of this dung is true... Mind you, a VERY tiny spark!!
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Reply(s) #4733
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Msg: #4733 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
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20-JAN-88 08:25 AM
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Subj: #4725 - Lear.txt (R)
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From: Jim Delton
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To: Ralph Toscano (X)
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It may be true (it could happen) that some alien probe found its way here and
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crashed in Roswell NM. It could also be true that our government retrieved it
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and covered it up. I don't find that assertion too hard to swallow. We sent
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out a number of probes and I beleive a few were specifically intended to be
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"greeting cards" in the event they ever make it to some other inhabited
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planet. It doesn't seem reall likely, but it is possible and one might even
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say reasonable. Now to take that and expand it to the whole alien invasion
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thing, that requires almost a complete suspension of all disbelief and reason.
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That doesn't mean it isn't true, but it would require more "proof" then has
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been forthcoming so far.
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Reply(s) #4735 #4745
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Msg: #4735 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
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20-JAN-88 11:29 AM
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Subj: #4733 - Lear.txt
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From: Ralph Toscano
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To: Jim Delton (X)
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Agree completely! -- Especially after learning how eccentric "certain"
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individuals may be...
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Msg: #4745 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
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20-JAN-88 07:03 PM
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Subj: #4733 - Lear.txt
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From: John Aultman
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To: Jim Delton (X)
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Exactly my thoughts. No disrespect intended to John Lear, but I've seen
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claims of this sort before (they go back to the fifties), and although almost
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all have had statements regarding evidence, none of it has ever come forth.
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I think that one explanation for UFOs to be taken seriously is alien life;
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and in that respect, it is conceivable that one has crashed, and we could have
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recovered it and kept that secret. However, the rest of the story requires
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far more than anyone's word. It requires absolute proof.
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John
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Msg: #4651 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
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18-JAN-88 03:08 PM
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Subj: #4600 - Lear.txt (R)
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From: Jim Delton
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To: Tom Mickus (X)
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I do not see why you or anyone for that matter thinks that the media are
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somehow remiss in their coverage of UFO topics. Every time they provide any
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serious coverage they are presented with nothing but antecdotes, vague
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allegations, blurry photos, etc. I'm suprised they give it any coverage. They
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still have some desire to maintain their credibility and reporting the typical
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unbeleiveable, undocumented UFO story would hardly bolster the low opinion
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many people have of the media anyways. It seems you want it both ways, you
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don't seem to think much of the media, but you want them tho cover your story
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your way when you want it.
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Reply(s) #4664
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Msg: #4664 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
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18-JAN-88 10:20 PM
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Subj: #4651 - Lear.txt
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From: Sysop
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To: Jim Delton (X)
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You're wrong, Jim. They have been presented with government documents which
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show a clear intent to hide something from the American public. What that
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something is may very well be quite mundane, but then why hide it for forty
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years?
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We don't want them to report the typical, unbelievable, undocumented UFO
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story. But when we present them with an atypical, unique, well-documented
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report from numerous credible witnesses with multiple independent photographs,
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we not only want coverage, we want an in-depth investigation. That's their
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job.
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Jim
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Msg: #4699 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
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19-JAN-88 01:17 PM
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Subj: #4687 - Lear.txt (R)
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From: Sysop
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To: Jim Delton (X)
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I will read Veil. Sounds interesting. Will you read Night Siege?
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Jim
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Reply(s) #4728
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Msg: #4728 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
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20-JAN-88 07:44 AM
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Subj: #4699 - Lear.txt
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From: Jim Delton
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To: Sysop (X)
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I will read it if at all possible.
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Msg: #4720 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
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20-JAN-88 02:55 AM
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Subj: This Lear thingy. (R)
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From: James Vincent
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To: Most everybody...
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Okay, I've read LEAR.TXT seven times now. Did he really mean to give away our
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secret defense against the aliens when he mentioned SDI? Or is he saying the
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aliens know about it, and aren't worried? Input please...
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-=James
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Reply(s) #4732 #4758
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(REply Quit ?) (D F): rr
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Msg: #4732 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
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20-JAN-88 08:19 AM
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Subj: #4720 - This Lear thingy. (R)
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From: Jim Delton
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To: James Vincent (X)
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That is just one of the many questions that John has not answered. I think he
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must have concluded we are all too gullible.
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Reply(s) #4781
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(REply Quit ?) (D F): rr
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Msg: #4781 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
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21-JAN-88 09:59 PM
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Subj: #4732 - This Lear thingy.
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From: Craig Kraft
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To: Jim Delton (X)
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The aliens drank his Vital bodily fluids for revealing their secret.....
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Craig
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(REply Quit ?) (D F):
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Msg: #4758 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
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21-JAN-88 02:04 AM
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Subj: #4720 - This Lear thingy. (R)
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From: Steve Gresser
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To: James Vincent (X)
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Number Five is ALIVE! Need INPUUUTTT . . . . .
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Reply(s) #4791
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(REply Quit ?) (D F): rr
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Msg: #4791 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
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22-JAN-88 12:54 AM
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Subj: #4758 - This Lear thingy.
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From: James Vincent
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To: Steve Gresser (X)
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Tee Hee Hee!
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(REply Quit ?) (D F): rr
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Msg: #4740 (P) Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
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20-JAN-88 04:11 PM
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Subj: Mr. Lear (R)
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From: Sue Miller
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To: ralph toscano (X)
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I expect that we were just too "dumb" and "gullible" for our friend John. Or
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maybe "they" have come and taken him away? The aliens, I mean. Or the guys in
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white coats, eh?
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Reply(s) #4765
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(REply Quit ?) (D F): rr
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Msg: #4765 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
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21-JAN-88 07:49 AM
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Subj: #4740 - Mr. Lear
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From: Ralph Toscano
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To: Sue Miller (X)
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Quite likely...You know what they say...if you're poor - you're nuts, but if
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you're wealthy you're eccentric...
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Msg: #4838 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
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23-JAN-88 10:52 AM
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Subj: #4832 - Lear.txt
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From: Steve Gresser
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To: James Vincent (X)
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Yeah, well, dat's lyfe in da big sitee!
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