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SUBJECT: THREAD ON CIA INVOLVING JOHN LEAR FILE: UFO1842
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#: 132723 S10/Paranormal Issues
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24-Jan-88 20:44:40
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Sb: #132714-#UFO PHENOMENA
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Fm: Michelle & Charles 76701,11
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To: John LEar 71251,642 (X)
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One thing we'd like to ask you about your theory: Why the USA? It seems that
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we (and/or the USSR) are the most risky place for UFOs to stage operations.
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The Amazon, or middle of Africa, or any other "backwards" region would seem a
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better bet than here.
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-- charles
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* Reply: 132762
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#: 132762 S10/Paranormal Issues
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25-Jan-88 09:09:29
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Sb: #132723-UFO PHENOMENA
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Fm: John LEar 71251,642
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To: Michelle & Charles 76701,11 (X)
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Its not just the USA. Apparently the Russians got caught up in thss scenario
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too and that was the reason for the meeting at Iceland and the reason that
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Gorbachev caved in. Now the question is: are any of us more favored than the
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other? Can it be coincidence that for the past 2 years that our space program
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has been a major and I mean major disaster? While the Russians keep setting
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endurance and payload records? I'm probably just as gullible as the next guy
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but I mean, give me a break! The worlds most technologically advanced nation
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can't even get a Minuteman III into the sky? As to the staging of operations
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it is my speculation (and speculation only) that materials and supplies of
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some kind were needed and not readily obtainable in the middle of the Amazon
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or Africa. But its very difficult and almost absurd to speculate as to why or
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why nots of a species avvanced by probably more than a billion years from
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ourselves.
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#: 132783 S10/Paranormal Issues
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25-Jan-88 18:46:57
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Sb: #132714-#UFO PHENOMENA
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Fm: DBC 71450,3504
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To: John LEar 71251,642 (X)
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John: Thanks for your message. I'm glad you refer to your story as a
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"hypothesis". There is plenty of room for hypotheses around here, and if you
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look back through the thread you will find several. Of course none are near as
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comprehensive as yours. It would seem your position has the advantage of
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numerous military contacts among whom are those concerned with "strange air
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craft" that have been flying aoound our planet for the last 40 years.
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Parts of your story are xxtremely hard to swallow; however, if one can
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keep an open mind about EBEs at all, then I suppose one could keep an open
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mind about anything and everthng. Since you have entered the forum I was
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wondering if you could answer some questions. First, regarding the loss of 66
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soldiers in an underground "CIA-EBE" facility at Dulce in 1979, was there ever
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any newspaper articles about the dissappearance of these men? I have other
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questions, but for the moment let me ask only one additional question. In all
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your thousands of hours of flying in all types of aircraft, have you yourself
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ever encountered a UFO? If so, could you describe it?
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Actually CIS is probably the ideal medium in which to elaborate on your
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theory and generate some reaction (questions, etc.). The nature of the system
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facilitates careful thinking (by some) about each point by allowing plenty of
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time for all of us to consider our comments, questions and responses.
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We are also hoping Phil Imbrogno (author of Night Siege) will soon be
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interacting with us and providing an update on the Hudson Valley phenomenon.
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Regards, DBC
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* Reply: 132823
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#: 132823 S10/Paranormal Issues
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26-Jan-88 11:47:37
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Sb: #132783-#UFO PHENOMENA
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Fm: John LEar 71251,642
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To: DBC 71450,3504 (X)
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Hi DBC, yeah, when I first wrote the thing I distributed with a personal
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letter stating that it was a hypothesis, however, in the redistribution,
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friends to friends etc. the 'hypothesis' part was dropped. Oh well. Anyway as
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far as the altercation at Dulce there was no media coverage or anything. I
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know of one person that did escape and he is the one that assembled what is
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known as "The Dulce Papers". These 'papers' contain a 6 minute video of the
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inside of the Dulce facility, 25 black and white photos and about a dozen
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document explaining what went on inside there. I have not seen the Dulce
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papers themselves but I have seen drawings of the photographs. If you will
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send me your address I will send you a copy of what I have (you won't believe
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it) but I'll send it anyway. In 14,000 hours of flying all over the world I
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have not seen even the most remotely strange object. God knows I've looked
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though. However I have heard 1001 genuine sighting stories from guys I fly
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with. The best stories come from ex-Air Force pilots and the stories of the
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harrassment, intimidation and psychological games the Air Force plays with
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personnel that have had sightings. I think its a disgrace. DBC just out of
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curiosity I would be interested in knowing the singlemost item you have
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trouble swallowing....I'd like to see if that may be something I have a little
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more on than the rest by chance. Talk to you later. Regards, John.
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#: 132846 S10/Paranormal Issues
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26-Jan-88 19:31:23
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Sb: #132823-#UFO PHENOMENA
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Fm: Michelle & Charles 76701,11
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To: John LEar 71251,642 (X)
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John,
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Since reading "Communion" about 6 months ago, I've been researching UFOs. I've
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been reading as many books as possible on the subject (they're hard to get,
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however, even here in Manhattan!) dating from the early 50's right through to
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today. Based on some of the European books I've read, I have this strong
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feeling that if you accept the theory that one planet's inhabitants can
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accomplish interstellar travel, it's not too far a leap to conjecture that
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more than one advanced race can visit us (just looking at the size of our
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piece of the universe). And I'm wondering if you've come across anything in
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your research that indicates that we have visitors from more than one source
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(planet).
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Some of the European visitors claim they're from the Pleiades (and are
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reported to look very human) while our EBE visitors seem very different than
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that. Anything in your research indicate where the EBE's originate? The only
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reference I've been able to come up with on that topic is Betty Hill's
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discussion (brought out in hypnosis by Dr. Simon) with the apparent EBE about
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where he's from, and his chiding of her for not being more well versed on
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astronomy and her lack of recognition of her location in star maps when they
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were presented to her. Any comments would be appreciated.
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Michelle
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* Reply: 132853
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#: 132853 S10/Paranormal Issues
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26-Jan-88 21:39:58
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Sb: #132846-#UFO PHENOMENA
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Fm: John LEar 71251,642
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To: Michelle & Charles 76701,11 (X)
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We are being visited by about 70 different species most in a covert nature.
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The 4 main typesoof visitors were litted in a USAF Aaademy physics book volume
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2 chapter 13 titled UFO's. This chapter was taken out several years ago
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because of the publicity it got. They mention 4 types: the EBE, the Blondes
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(similar to us but invariably blonde and blue eyed) a species similar to the
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blondes but taller with eyes that wrap a little further around the face, and a
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short hairy creature about 4 feet tall weight of about 40 pounds and
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extreme;ly strong. The Pleides case has created a lot of controversy.
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Apparently some of the photos were faked. Some weren't. No negatives are
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around these days to check. Some people call it an out and out fraud. There
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are some aspects of the case that would lead one to believe that maybe
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'something' did happen but that it has been lost in the shuffle. Me? I havn't
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made up my mind yet. It is relatively certain that the EBE's came from a
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binary star system called Zeta Retculi 1 and 2. It is visible only from
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latitudes south of Mexico City. It has a spectral class of G-2 which is
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identical to our sun. The story of how we know all tthis was in Astronomy
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magazine circa 1976. I have a poor copy in case you want me to send it to
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you...its about 30 pages long. Please let me know and will talk to you later.
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#: 132879 S10/Paranormal Issues
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27-Jan-88 19:03:03
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Sb: #132853-#UFO PHENOMENA
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Fm: Ted Markley <s10> 76067,3777
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To: John LEar 71251,642 (X)
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John,
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I must say your hypothesis is quite amazing. I happen to believe there is a
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larger body or evidence out there that points to non human visitors
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(extraterrestrial or earthly origin I can not say) or a very sophisticated
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method of manipulating human perception (an equally amazing feat.) But your
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story, with all it plots and subplots is impossible for me to swallow without,
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at least, some form of prima facia evidence. In "Communion" Whitley Strieber
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presents corroborative accounts of wife, friends as well as professionally
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administered lie detector tests, psychological examination and hypnotic
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transcripts done by a noted professional. In "Night Siege" Phil Imbrogno has
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amassed numerous eye witness accounts including professionals and technical
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professional (not to mention a video tape.) In "Intruders" Budd Hopkins relates
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physical evidence as wlll as corroboraiive statements from several
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experiencee's. In addition he has carefully concealed specifics of the craft's
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interiors from the individual witnesses and the public in general. In spite of
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this there is an uncanny similarity of the abductee's reports in terms of the
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crafts interior, the details of the pupils of the creatures, and the
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descriptions of the writing seen in the craft. What can you offer?
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* Reply: 132910
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#: 132910 S10/Paranormal Issues
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28-Jan-88 09:06:26
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Sb: #132879-UFO PHENOMENA
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Fm: John LEar 71251,642
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To: Ted Markley <s10> 76067,3777 (X)
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Ted, thank you for your comments. If you ever get to Las Vegas you are welcome
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to go through all the documents I have collected on the subject and which led
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me to the 'hypothesis' which was presentdd here and on Paranet. Your
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observation about the earthly origin of non-human visitors may have great
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significance. Talk to you later.
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26-Jan-88 19:59:16
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Sb: #132823-#UFO PHENOMENA
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Fm: DBC 71450,3504
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To: John LEar 71251,642 (X)
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John: I suppose one of the more difficult to believe parts of your story is
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that a live EBE is being held in a secret facility at Los Alamos. I should
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think that, it true, he/she(?) could be easily rescued by fellow aliens who
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seem to be able to "float" human "abductees" through walls and into their
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ships etc. Is this the same EBE on the alleged video tape being interviewed
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using an Air Force Colonel to interpret by telepathic reception? (If true the
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subsequent interview scheduled at the time of the "stock market correction" in
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October would certainl have blown the market to bits.)
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Another question. Can you tell us who or what rank were the highest
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ranking government/officials you interviewed in your study? Your comments
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about Sen. John Glen inquiring about an NSA "Aquarius" file and that Henry
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Kissenger, Adm. Bobby Inman and Adm. Poindexter are currently members of MJ-12
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are interesting, as is the point that the Nat. Security Council receives
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regularly a list of abductees. I can just see all of them (including EBE) on a
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future ABC "Nightline" show.
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I must admit, your story is a scary one. A year ago I would have laughed
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it off, but after reading Night Siege, Communion and Intruders, its hard to
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dispute that something very strange is happening. Parts of your story fit. I
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can only hope other patts of the "hypothesis" are not true. Will stay tuned.
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Regards, DBC.
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#: 132855 S10/Paranormal Issues
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26-Jan-88 21:58:50
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Sb: #132848-#UFO PHENOMENA
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Fm: John LEar 71251,642
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To: DBC 71450,3504 (X)
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One of the video tapes being held by Moore is that of an interview with
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the EBE using an AF Col. to help with the telepathic commun communication.
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This may be one of the videos that Moore will supposedly release soon. As far
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as the rescue attempt it is my understanding that this EBE is a 'defector'.
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Sound far out? Yep it is. As far as escaping, apparently the electromagnetic
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facility is pretty secure. Yes they can float and disappear but can't get
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out. I was allowed to see oome top secret eemos regarding the EBE's a few
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months ago. If anything can be humorous aoout all this, this one mone memo
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came close. In the text of the memo from someone to someone else it had the
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message.."by the way EBE-2 wants to see the ocean. We had better make the
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arrangements or he'll disappear again." The highest ranking official I
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interviewed was a Col. at Sandia. Will keep in touch.
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* Reply: 132875
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#: 132875 S10/Paranormal Issues
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27-Jan-88 18:26:56
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Sb: #132855-UFO PHENOMENA
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Fm: DBC 71450,3504
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T:: John LEar 71251,642 (X)
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John: Can you elaborate some on the brain insertioss. A number of Ufologists
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including Budd Hopkins (author of Intruders) have proposed that abductees are
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"tagged" via insertion of a small object into the brain (frequently through
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the nose). Your hypothesis gives various reasons for doing this, however, do
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you have any info on whether such "brain beads" have actually been physically
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detected in abduction victims (e.g. CT or MRI scans)?
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Your comment about the "senior scientist" from JPL brings to mind Jim
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Dolce's story dealing with the reaction of a JPL scientist to his Bentwaters
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tape (see message #132063). Probably the same guy!
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DBC
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#: 132878 S10/Paranormal Issues
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27-Jan-88 19:01:47
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Sb: #132853-UFO PHENOMENA
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Fm: Michelle & Charles 76701,11
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To: John LEar 71251,642 (X)
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Dear John:
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Very interesting to hear that the USAF has so cleanly classified our visitors!
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(And these are the same folks that supposedly, in Project Grudge days, pitched
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into the wastebasket any UFO sightings that involved contact!)
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As I understand it, the Zeta Retculi work was done by a high school science
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teacher from Ohio, working with Betty Hill? I very much appreciate your offer
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of a copy, but I think I've read enough about it (and I'm still bruhhing up on
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my astronomy in the cours of this research). What are your feelings on the
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contention (Vallee's, I believe) that because Betty Hill's map was drawn from
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memory by hand the relative distances can't be assumed to be correct and
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therefore Mrs. Fish's work is only caance/speculatio?? But to counter this, I
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was impressed that she got it published in "Astronomy".
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According to your research, all the abductions, genetic experimentation and
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government "deals" have been accomplished by our visitors from Zeta Retculi?
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Also, have you read of the member of the House of Representatives from Kansas
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who in 1897 or so witnessed one of his head of cattle being roped and lifted
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up by a saucer, only to find the head and hide and legs bearing his brand on
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his neighbor's property the next day? They were mutilating cows back then? I
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appreciate your ongoing comments and information, as I'm fascinated with the
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topic (but don't quite know what to make of it yet) and I am ravenously
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devouring all info! Any tips on good sources (i.e. mail order/bookstores)
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that carry this eesearch?
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Best, Michelle
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#: 132949 S10/Paranormal Issues
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28-Jan-88 21:36:36
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Sb: #132878-UFO PHENOMENA
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Fm: DBC 71450,3504
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To: Michelle & Charles 76701,11 (X)
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Michelle: If you examine the data library in the "space forum" under
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"extraterrestrials", you will find a list of books on the topic. Regards, DBC
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29-Jan-88 15:41:31
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Sb: #132878-UFO PHENOMENA
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Fm: Jim Speiser 72335,424
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To: Michelle & Charles 76701,11 (X)
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Michelle, if I may jump in here for a sec...
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First, I think it was Sagan who proposed that Betty Hill's map was invalid,
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due to chance factors, unreliability of memory, etc. However, I am impressed
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with the work of the schoolteacher, Ms. Fish, as she was able to find one and
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only one match in three dimensions. Sagan restricted his arguments to the
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two-dimensional model, but as far as I know has not responded to the
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three-dimensional one.
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As to the Kansas case, the rancher's name was Alexander Hamilton (no relation
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to the Founding Father), and the case was later exposed as a hoax. (Cohen,
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"The Great Airship Mystery"). It is still quoted to this day as an example of
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a 19th Century mutilation, however. Old hhoppers die har..
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Jim
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#: 132941 S10/Paranormal Issues
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28-Jan-88 19:09:08
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Sb: #132910-#UFO PHENOMENA
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Fm: Ted Markley <s00> 76067,3777
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To: John LEar 71251,642 (X)
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John,
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Thanks for the invitation to review your material in Las Vegas. While I don't
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foresee a trip i the immediate uuture I do occasionally get out that way.
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There is a point in your hypothesis that troubles me. You mentioned that
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"Cows and Humans are genetically similar. In the event of a national disaster,
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cow's blood can be used by humans". May I ask the source of this information?
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Regards,
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Ted
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#: 132944 S10/Paranormal Issues
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28-Jan-88 20:35:49
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Sb: #132941-UFO PHENOMENA
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Fm: John LEar 71251,642
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To: Ted Markley <s10> 76067,3777
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Regarding the cows blood that statement came from 2 university studies. I will
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get you the names by tomorrow. I questioned that statement myself as a doctor
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I know said that what they probablymmeant was that fraction of the blood
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could be used. But on further checking I found out that it can be used whole.
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I have the names somewhere so let me work on it. Talk to you later.
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#: 132793 S10/Paranormal Issues
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25-Jan-88 21:18:40
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Sb: #132240-UFO phenomenon
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Fm: Michelle & Charles 76701,11
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To: phil 76636,44 (X)
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Dear Phil:
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I must say I read your book with great interest. I have a few questions, if
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you don't mind. First, didn't Whitley Streiber mention a sighting of "your"
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UFO(s) at the end of "Commuion"? I think he mentioned an ad exec seeing a
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large UFO over a L.I. highway flashing "signals". Any comments?
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Also, doesn't it seem like the object wants to be seen, and by large numbers
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of reliable, creible witnesses? Any comments on this in relationtto John
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Lear's theor of a grand master plan of revelation to the U.S. public would be
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interesting to hear.
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Michelle (Charles is still reading the book)
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#: 132948 S10/Paranormal Issues
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28-Jan-88 21:26:08
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Sb: UFO PHENOMENA
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Fm: DBC 71450,3504
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To: Jim Speiser
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Jim: As a result of your own investigations or contacts with fellow
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ufologists, could you comment on whether there is support foom independent
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sources for any parts of John's hppothesis? Could you be specific about which
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parts if any? Regards, DBC
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29-Jan-88 21:28:52
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Sb: #133011-UFO PHENOMENA
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Fm: Michelle & Charles 76701,11
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To: Jim Speiser 72135,424
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Thanks -- we've seen the story about Al Hamilton i several books presented as
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fact. It's very interesting that it's a hoax. We guess part of the fever of
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the airships going on at that time.
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-- C&M
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#: 133015 S10/Paranormal Issues
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29-Jan-88 16:21:24
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Sb: ufo phenomena
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Fm: phil 76636,44
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To: dbc
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thanks Yes the virgina flap is similar since there seems to be many witnesses
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over a long period of time. More and more boomerang sightings popping up all
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over!
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phil
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#: 133120 S10/Paranormal Issues
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30-Jan-88 23:09:32
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Sb: #132948-UFO PHENOMENA
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Fm: Jim Speiser 72135,424
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To: DBC 71450,3504 (X)
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I understand that John is not putting forth anything that hasn't been received
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by other researchers, some reportedly from independent sources. Most of these
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sources, however, seem to be of the anonymous "deep throat" type. Some of what
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John has said comes from a fellow by the name of Paul Bennewitz, who is
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mentioned in connection with the Kirtland AFB landing of 1980; some is from
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Moore's work; and some is from John's own research into UFOs and Cattle
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Mutilations. I don't really have any comments on the material at this time,
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except to say that, if you leave the door open even a crack for the basic,
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generic ET Hypothesis, then anything's possible.
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Jim
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#: 133404 S10/Paranormal Issues
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03-Feb-88 21:22:33
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Sb: UFO PHENOMENA
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Fm: DBC 71450,3504
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To: John Lear
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John: Thanks. I had missed your message (132920), probably because it wasn't
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labeled UFO PHENOMENA. I see we also have a related thread going now under the
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topic "cows blood".
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You mentioned you have a set of X-rays from the "Liz Stoner" case in
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which Stoner was "rushed to a hospital within three hours after being
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abducted". I'm not familiar with that story. Could you provide a little
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background on what happened and, if possible, describe the location you see a
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"small sphere"iin the X-rays. It would certainly be worth getting a
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professional evaluation of the films.
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DBC
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