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SUBJECT: TRANSCRIPTS OF LAZAR ON KVEG RADIO FILE: UFO1832
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PART 3
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Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 114
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Thursday, December 28th 1989
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Today's Topics:
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KVEG/Lazar Transcript #12
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KVEG/Lazar Transcript #13
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KVEG/Lazar Transcript #14
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KVEG/Lazar Transcript #15
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KVEG/Lazar Transcript #16
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KVEG/Lazar Transcript #17
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KVEG/Lazar Transcript #18 (Conclusion)
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Re: Lazar And His Amazing Saucers
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Elders??
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From: paranet!p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin
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Subject: KVEG/Lazar Transcript #12
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Date: 28 Dec 89 01:56:00 GMT
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<...Continued from previous message>
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Jim:
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And the candle: Does it melt and the flame stand still in
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this DISK that you're talking about?
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Lazar:
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Well, in the AREA, yeah.
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Jim:
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You don't have to put it in the center?
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Lazar:
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Right.
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Jim:
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Just anywhere in the area?
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Lazar:
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Well, the actual flame of the candle WAS in the area --
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in the center of the disk.
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Jim:
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And you saw this happen?
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Lazar:
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Yeah.
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Goodman:
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You don't show much emotion.
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Lazar:
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Maybe that's my nature, but that's what happens after ten
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o'clock if I'm sitting in one place.
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Goodman:
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I'm not being derogatory about it. I'm just saying it
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seems like there's no emotion. Some of this stuff that
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you're talking about just gives me chills!
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We get mail from people at Jet Propulsion Laboratory and
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McDonnell Douglas. Would you like to work for people
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like that?
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Lazar:
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I don't know. I'm kind of used to working for myself. I
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don't know about going to work for . . . especially anything
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attached to the Government again, [look with] distrust . . .
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Goodman:
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Off the air, I asked what would you like to see for the future
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and what could you do for humanity? He said we could talk about
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that, but the main concern right now is how he can support
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himself, and I didn't realize you were having difficulty as far
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as that.
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Lazar:
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Oh no, not really difficulty, but it's something always
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to look for.
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Goodman:
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How could anyone in our listening audience assist you?
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Lazar:
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Oh, they really can't. There's several things I did
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before I began to get into the program up there. I used
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to race my jet car. I'll probably start that up again
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this season and expand my scientific business, United Nuclear.
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I'll probably increase that into a sales field and things
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like that.
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Goodman:
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Okay, I just thought we could bring that up just in
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case there was someone out there that could use your
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services. What service do you offer, if someone out
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there could use it?
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Lazar:
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Someone would have to be fooling around with plutonium,
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and there aren't many people that do that.
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Goodman:
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Don't bet on that. You never know.
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Caller:
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Was the craft you worked on one that WE made or was it
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one that was brought here by the aliens from another
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planet?
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Lazar:
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This is a craft of alien origin.
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Caller:
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That was brought here BY them from another planet?
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Lazar:
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Yeah.
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Caller:
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Do we know anything about their way of life? Do they
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speak the same language or what?
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Lazar:
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I really don't know. I really know very little about
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that. I'd LIKE to know a lot about that. You assume
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that they mass-produce the craft, so there must be
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some sort of factory somewhere. That means there must
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be workers in the factory. Do they have a social life?
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I mean, the questions are endless. I'd like to know
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myself.
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Caller:
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And if they are here on this planet, WHERE are they?
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Lazar:
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That's another good question. You got me. I really
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don't know.
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Caller:
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If one walked up to my door, what am I supposed to do?
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Lazar:
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I don't know. I guess you'll find out really quick if
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they're benevolent or not. But as far as what to
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do, who knows?
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Goodman:
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Say you're up in Kansas out in a farmland and you see
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this person that looks really far-out, do you think
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they're just going to wait for them to come to the
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door or do you think they're going to shoot and ask
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questions later?
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Lazar:
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Probably shoot and ask questions later --
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Goodman:
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That's the problem. Wouldn't that cause all kinds
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of consternation amongst these people if they find
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out one of their people were --
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Lazar:
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Well, you have all the stories of the abductee
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reports, about medical examinations; I mean they go
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through a lot of trauma and stuff like that. When it
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came right down to it, if I was confronted by a bunch
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of them -- my car stopped or something to that effect,
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a craft obviously in sight -- yeah, I'd take on
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a hostile attitude really quickly.
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Goodman:
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Unless you were told differently --
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Lazar:
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Right.
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Goodman:
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-- by the Government: these people don't mean to harm
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you; they're going to be landing in your cities, whatever;
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just [kinda act friendly.]
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<Continued next message...>
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Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422
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From: paranet!p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin
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Subject: KVEG/Lazar Transcript #13
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Date: 28 Dec 89 02:00:00 GMT
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<...Continued from previous message>
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Caller:
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Do you think in the future our President will tell us
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on national television that the UFOs are here, that he
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will make it known to us?
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Lazar:
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I doubt it.
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Caller:
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You don't think he ever will?
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Lazar:
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No, I don't think he could muster up enough to do that.
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Caller:
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One of the presidents in the past was supposed to say
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that if he was elected he was going to tell us all about
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it, but he didn't.
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Lazar:
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Carter. That tells you something right there, because
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he never got in and denied it. He just got in and didn't
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say anything.
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New caller:
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Did you have a badge when you went to work?
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Lazar:
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Sure did.
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Caller:
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Did it have any designation on it?
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Lazar:
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As far as what?
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Caller:
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What did it say?
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Lazar:
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It's a white badge. It has two -- a light blue and a
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dark blue -- diagonal stripes through it. On the top
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it says MAJ-12. The clearance level is called
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MAJESTIC; I don't know if that was, like I said before
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I don't know if that means anything as far as the
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MAJESTIC-12 documents go, or if they just called that
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clearance that as a nostalgia type of thing. My picture
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was on it -- what else was on it . . .
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Caller:
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Did it have both MAJ and MAJESTIC -- both words?
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Lazar:
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The only place I ever saw MAJESTIC was on Dennis's
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[Mariano] badge, who was my supervisor, and his badge
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looks slightly different. I don't know if it was an
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older kind or what.
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Caller:
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You mentioned you were doing back-engineering, but
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specifically, what was the breakdown of your duties,
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for example, for one day, with respect to, say, what
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your co-workers were doing? What was the breakdown,
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the division of tasks?
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Lazar:
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I have no knowledge of what the other people were doing.
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Caller:
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But you were not working simply by yourself.
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Lazar:
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No, just with one person.
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Caller:
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And what was the difference between what you did and
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what he did?
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Lazar:
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Well, we were basically in the training phase. He was
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getting me up to date on everything, so we never split
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off, and you know, he went and did his thing, and I --
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Caller:
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Did you ever see an analysis or spectrogram of 115?
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Lazar:
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Yes.
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Caller:
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And what did that tell you?
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Lazar:
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Well, that it was an unknown element. Then we did density
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and weight calculations, which are pretty basic, and of
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course it was too heavy for its physical size. It was
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an X-Ray spectrograph. I don't remember what other
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tests we did to it.
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Caller:
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How did you know what the times of testing would be to
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go up to the sites to view the object. And do you know
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where it's being tested now?
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Lazar:
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Dennis told me the testing times. And of course those
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were the times that I relayed to other people, and we
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went out there. What was the other question?
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Caller:
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Do you know where it's being tested now?
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Lazar:
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Oh, I have no idea. In fact, if I was them, the last
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place I would test them would be S-4.
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Another Caller:
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Are you familiar with Alnico 5 magnetic material we
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use here?
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Lazar:
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Yeah, it's a common -- I never heard the 5
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designation.
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Caller:
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It's a very dense magnet. Is that close to the
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material of 115?
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Lazar:
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Oh no, not at all. That's an acronym for aluminum,
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nickel, iron, and cobalt, none of them being anywhere
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near it whatsoever.
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Caller:
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Are there portholes on that craft?
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Lazar:
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At the very top, there is portholes; they are square,
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though.
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Caller:
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But they must be able to see by TV or. . .?
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Lazar:
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I don't know. I just saw from the outside. When I was
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inside, I never -- I don't think I really even bothered
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to look up there; I don't recall.
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Caller:
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With the gravity generators running, is there thermal
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radiation?
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Lazar:
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No, not at all. I was never down on the bottom WHILE
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the gravity generators were running, but the reactor
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itself -- there's no thermal radiation whatsoever. That
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was one of the really shocking things because that
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violates the first law of thermodynamics.
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Caller:
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The atomic weight of the 115 material: Is that heavier?
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We know the 115 atomic weight would be different from the
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gravitational weight. Is the gravitational weight of
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that material very heavy?
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Lazar:
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Yeah.
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Caller:
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How does that stuff break off? Do you saw it or does it
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grind up. How do you get to test grams or whatever it is?
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Lazar:
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I don't know. I really don't know how that's machined into
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it. I know it is machined, but I don't know if there's
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any special procedures employed.
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Caller:
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Does it melt?
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<Continued next message...>
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Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422
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From: paranet!p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin
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Subject: KVEG/Lazar Transcript #14
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Date: 28 Dec 89 02:03:00 GMT
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<...Continued from previous message>
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Lazar:
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I'm sure it does. And just historically, all heavy elements
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are also toxic. I imagine it is a very toxic thing. What
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else? If you use the standard designations as started at
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103, its name would be "unuspentium [sp?]." Its symbol --
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if it's going to be plugged into the periodic chart -- would
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be UUP. In fact. I have a friend that gave it kind of a cute
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name; he calls it "unobtainium."
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Caller:
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In your wildest dreams, do you think you would be able to
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create any of this stuff on earth -- in order to do the same
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thing?
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Lazar:
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In fact, I'm in the process of fabricating the gravity
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amplifier, but then I'm at a tremendous shortage for power.
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So yeah, I have even tried to do that stuff on my own.
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Caller:
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Is there any electronics as we know it -- chips or
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transitors?
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Lazar:
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No, nothing like that. Because of the tremendous power
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involved, too, there was no direct connection between
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the gravity amplifiers and the reactor itself.
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Caller:
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Are the wave guides similar to what we use with
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microwaves?
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Lazar:
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Very similar.
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Goodman:
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You mentioned all heavy metals are toxic?
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Lazar:
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Yeah, they seem to be. Lead, radium, plutonium . . .
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Goodman:
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Element 115?
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Lazar:
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You would just assume it would be toxic.
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Caller:
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Is Sector 4 also called Papoose Dry Lake Bed?
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Lazar:
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Yeah.
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Caller:
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Is it also in a place called Emigrant Valley?
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Lazar:
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Right. You can see Papoose Dry Lake from out of the
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hangar doors.
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Caller:
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In regard to the long-range method of travel, isn't
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a propulsion unit the wrong idea? I feel this device
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is creating a situation where it is diminishing or removing
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the localized gravitational field, and long-distance body
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that they're heading toward is actually PULLING the vehicle
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rather than it being pushed. Am I correct in this?
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Lazar:
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The vehicle is not being pushed. But being pulled implies
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it's being pulled by something externally: it's pulling
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something else to IT. IT's creating the gravitational
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field.
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Caller:
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Is there any relation to the monopoles which [scientists]
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have been looking for?
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Lazar:
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Well, they've been looking for the monopole magnet.
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But then this [the UFO force] is a gravitational force.
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Caller:
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Different things but exhibiting similar effects?
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Lazar:
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Right.
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Caller:
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Last night I saw a four-door Japanese car. On the
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right-side, rear, passenger door there were three
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9mm bullet holes, about a 12-inch group. Is that
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the vehicle that was shot at?
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Lazar:
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No. That's similar to my car, but they missed me.
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New Caller:
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Do we give something in exchange for all this information
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they're giving us?
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Lazar:
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I really don't know. I don't know what went on behind
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the scenes as far as how we got the technology.
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Caller:
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Did they give us the 115 in large quantities?
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Lazar:
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Yeah, 500 pounds is what I'm told. The way I've
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seen it, it comes in little thin disks close to the
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size of a half dollar.
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Caller:
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Did you ever own any, or -- ?
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Lazar:
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Yeah.
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Caller:
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What happened to it?
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Lazar:
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It's gone. It was stolen out of my house along with
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some other stuff that I got from there.
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Caller:
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[By] the Government?
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Lazar:
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That's what I assume; I HOPE it's in their hands;
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I'd hate it to be in . . . A few people did know
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about it -- some UFO-related people -- and I'd hate
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for unexperienced people to be in possession of
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the stuff.
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But yeah, that was taken. We did get some film of
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it and some film of it doing some really unusual
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things.
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Caller:
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How did you get hired at Area 51?
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From: paranet!p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin
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Subject: KVEG/Lazar Transcript #15
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Date: 28 Dec 89 02:06:00 GMT
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<...Continued from previous message>
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Lazar:
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I was referred by a well-known physicist to talk to
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someone. And I really don't want to go all into that
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because then I'm pointing fingers at specific people.
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Caller:
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Were everyone's mouths shut where you worked?
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Lazar:
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Yeah, everyone wouldn't let you talk, and it wasn't a
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really happy environment. Everyone was just into what
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they were doing and that was it.
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New Caller:
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What year were you working up there?
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Lazar:
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Last year.
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Caller:
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I heard from someone I know that's a pretty good
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source that a small amount of plutonium, like a picogram,
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might be good for you. Is that true?
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Lazar:
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No, not at all.
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Goodman:
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What would you use plutonium for?
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Lazar:
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To die. In the lungs, it's almost immediate lung cancer.
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It's toxic in itself. The body has a tough time getting
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rid of it. It's just bad news.
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Goodman:
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And you're messing with it.
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Lazar:
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I don't have any at my house.
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Goodman:
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You said that's part of what you're working on.
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Lazar:
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Electronic equipment to detect plutonium: They're
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called alpha radiation detectors or air proportional
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detectors.
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Goodman:
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Why do you want to detect the plutonium?
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Lazar:
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They use them to screen personnel that are leaving an
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area that's been plutonium contaminated; they check
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equipment for plutonium contamination; so on and so
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forth.
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Goodman:
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This is as bad as radiation?
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Lazar:
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Plutonium does produce radiation.
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Goodman:
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So it's as bad as when they've been clearing the people
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in nuclear power plants and stuff like this?
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Lazar:
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Yeah.
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Goodman:
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And you're devising a device that's going to be
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easier?
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Lazar:
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No, our device is just less expensive.
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Caller:
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Can you list your credentials?
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Lazar:
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As far as what?
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Caller:
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Schooling, degrees.
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Lazar:
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I have two masters degrees; one's in physics; one's in
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electronics. I wrote my thesis on MHD, which is
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magnetohydrodynamics.
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I worked at Los Alamos for a few years as a technician
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and then as a physicist in the Polarized Proton Section,
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dealing with the accelerator there.
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I was hired at S-4 as a senior staff physicist to work on
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gravitational propulsion systems and whatnot associated with
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those crafts.
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Caller:
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What school did you go to?
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Lazar:
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I'd rather not say, the reason being I am currently
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working with them under contract, and I'm having enough trouble
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with this as it is.
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Caller:
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Why did you leave the Groom Lake project?
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Lazar:
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I don't want to go into that either. That's a big,
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long complicated story. It gets into my personal life,
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too, and I don't want to get into that.
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Caller:
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Have there been any attempts made on your life?
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Lazar:
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Yeah.
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Caller:
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When was the last one?
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Lazar:
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There was only one direct one. I really don't remember
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when that was, maybe six, eight months ago, something like
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that. Just being shot at getting out on the freeway.
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Caller:
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Did another car drive by and shoot you?
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From: paranet!p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin
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Subject: KVEG/Lazar Transcript #16
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Date: 28 Dec 89 02:09:00 GMT
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<...Continued from previous message>
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Lazar:
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Yeah.
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Caller:
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Are there any weapons on board the alien craft?
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Lazar:
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Not that I know of. Of course, the gravity generators
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themselves can be focused, and I imagine that can be
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used as a weapon.
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Caller:
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How many alien people do they hold?
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Lazar:
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I don't know. How many people can you fit in a car?
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I imagine if there's a bunch standing up, you can pack
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them in there.
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Caller:
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Is Element 115 an extraterrestrial material?
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Lazar:
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Yes, definitely.
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Caller:
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How do you suppose the S-4 project came to acquire
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500 pounds if it's not from this world?
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Lazar:
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I would imagine it came on one of the craft.
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Caller:
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Extra fuel, huh?
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Lazar:
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Maybe.
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Caller:
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How close can a civilian get to Area 51 or Emigrant
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Valley? What is security like? How many guards and
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so forth?
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Lazar:
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I think the closest you can get is probably about 10 miles,
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and then you get a mountain between you and them.
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Caller:
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A lot of patrols?
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Lazar:
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Oh yeah.
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Goodman:
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Off the air, you said you traveled one time on hydrogen
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in your car.
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Lazar:
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Yeah, I had a 1978 TransAm I converted to run on hydrogen.
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Goodman:
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We were talking about this one night as a new fuel for
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transportation. Is that more dangerous than gasoline?
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Lazar:
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It depends how it's stored. There's ways you can do it.
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You can store it as a gas, compressed in a cylinder where,
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yeah, it's dangerous and explosive.
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You can store it as a liquid -- cryogenic liquid --
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where it's also dangerous and explosive.
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Or you can also store it in a hydride [sp], a chemical
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that absorbs hydrogen like a sponge absorbs water. When
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it's in that storage state, it's really not flammable.
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You heat the chemical using the radiator water, or electrically,
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or the exhaust gas to produce the hydrogen, and there's only
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a small amount at a time ever produced. And in that instance
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it's a lot safer than gasoline, and that's the method I use.
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Goodman:
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In other words, we could put these in automobiles?
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Lazar:
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Absolutely, definitely. The only exhaust is water vapor --
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essentially steam and very little oxides.
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Goodman:
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Where do we get hydrogen?
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Lazar:
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The most common place is from water. When you pass electricity
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through water, you break down the bonds and wind up with oxygen
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and hydrogen.
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Goodman:
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What could we be charged if we pulled up to a tank and asked
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for some water?
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Lazar:
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It takes energy to separate the water back into its molecular
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state, or atomic state rather.
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Goodman:
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But forgetting what the components are inside the car, if
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a driver were to drive up, they would just have to put water
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into this particular unit? Could they make it that simple?
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Lazar:
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You could make it that simple, yes.
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Goodman:
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Has this been known for years in the scientific field?
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Lazar:
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There's been plenty of cars that have been made to run on
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hydrogen. In fact one state somewhere has their entire postal
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fleet with little jeeps that run on hydrogen. There's a
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company called Billings Energy that does the conversions.
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Goodman:
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Why do you think it's not being made readily available to us?
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Lazar:
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There's probably lots of reasons. You're looking at the oil
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companies. . .
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Goodman:
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Okay. That's what I wanted to get to.
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Lazar:
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But you can always point your finger at them for anything.
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Goodman:
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But I mean, it's just being held back from us even though it
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could be here.
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Lazar:
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But you've got the problem of availability, too, if you're
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going to just use gaseous hydrogen.
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Goodman:
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What would it take to change our current motor in a car to
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accept this?
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Lazar:
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Not very much at all. It's very similar to a propane
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conversion.
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Goodman:
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Have you heard from Mr. Teller at all?
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Lazar:
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No.
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Goodman:
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Not one word? In other words, he's done nothing at all?
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Lazar:
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No.
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Goodman:
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You said we're nowhere near being able to have an
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anti-matter reactor?
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Lazar:
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No, not at all. The first thing we'll come up with
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when we toy with that some more is -- and there's already
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been talk of it -- is an anti-matter weapon. Unfortunately,
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that's the easiest thing to produce. First we'll see that
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before we'll see potential useful uses.
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From: paranet!p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin
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Subject: KVEG/Lazar Transcript #17
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Date: 28 Dec 89 02:13:00 GMT
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<...Continued from previous message>
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Goodman:
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I was talking to Bob Lazar off the air, and Bob is a jet
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car driver. That's how he relaxes, doing 350 miles per hour.
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Roger:
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Are the nine disks quite different in appearance?
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Lazar:
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Yeah, they're all completely different in appearance.
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Roger:
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Are they then perhaps from different star systems?
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Lazar:
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Could be.
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Roger:
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You said the one you looked at, the Sport Model, was from
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Reticulum, right?
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Lazar:
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That's what I READ.
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Roger:
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So that has the gravity propulsion system. But then some
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of the others may have some other type of propulsion system?
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Lazar:
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I was told that the reactors are all similar in them [the crafts],
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and from that I just assume that the propulsion system is the
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same. But it is possible that the other ones have different
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propulsion systems, yeah.
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Roger:
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How many light years from Earth to Reticulum?
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Lazar:
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32, 33, 34, somewhere around there.
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Roger:
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They must get away from Earth before they amplify these
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gravitational systems, do they not?
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Lazar:
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They don't HAVE to, but it has to be a line of sight where
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they can move to.
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Roger:
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In other words, it wouldn't have any effect on the Earth even
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though it were close to it when they turned it on?
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Lazar:
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No.
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Roger:
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Where do the aliens fit into religion? They must say
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something about it. I heard that they had a [bearing]
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on us through religion, perhaps through colonization.
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Lazar:
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I've read some about that. You know, I don't want to
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go into that because that's going to upset everybody.
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Caller:
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What is the top speed of the craft?
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Lazar:
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It's tough to say a top speed because to say speed you have
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to compare distance and time. And when you're screwing
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around with time and distorting it, you can no longer judge
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a velocity. They're not traveling in a linear mode where they
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just fly and cover a certain distance in a certain time.
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That's the real definition of speed. They're bending and
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distorting space and then essentially snapping it back with
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the craft, so the distances they can travel are phenomenal --
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in little or no time. So speed has little bearing.
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Caller:
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Is the laser part of their technology or their flying speed?
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Lazar:
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No, I haven't seen anything along that line.
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Caller:
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Is Rockwell involved with that?
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Lazar:
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Not that I've seen.
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Pistol:
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You've mentioned anti-gravity generator and anti-matter
|
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generator. Are they different?
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Lazar:
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It's not a gravity generator; it's a gravity amplifier. I
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get tongue-twisted all too often.
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The anti-matter reactor provides the power for the craft and
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the basic low-amplitude gravitational wave, which is too low
|
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of an amplitude to do anything. It's piped into the gravity
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amplifiers, which are found at the bottom of the craft.
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There it's amplified into an extremely powerful wave, and
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that's what the craft is flown on. But there is an anti-matter
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reactor: that's what provides the power.
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Roger Nelson, KBAY-Radio San Francisco announcer:
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Last time I asked Bob Lazar about the hyper-light propulsion
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systems he had seen, he said the crafts have hyper-light
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capabilities -- beyond the speed of light. Do you know
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anyone in our government or who worked on the craft who
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might be from Earth who has taken those craft and flown
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past the speed of light to other galaxies?
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Lazar:
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I don't, and I don't know if they have been used for that.
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Nelson:
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Is there any way to find how many of our guys on particular
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programs have gone to space, what they're learning, exactly
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where they are now, and whether or not there's any tie-in
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with the Alternative Three Escape-Earth Plan that supposedly the
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Government leaders are stirring up now. Is there any place
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that you know of that this information can be found?
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Lazar:
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I imagine, if any of that is in fact true, it would be found in
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the midst of S-4 or 51 down there. But how to contact those guys
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and actually get them to talk is a feat not yet attained.
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Nelson:
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What is it you are now doing now that they have cut you off
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at the knees?
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Lazar:
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I do other scientific research and produce, design, and
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repair alpha radiation detection equipment.
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Nelson:
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A number of copies of these broadcasts and the show on
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Channel 8 and all the other stuff has been getting around,
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perhaps even internationally. Has anybody bothered you since
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you went public?
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Lazar:
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Other than the sily little things that have been done, no,
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nothing, nothing big to be concerned about.
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Nelson:
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Are we going to see you at any of these things like the
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January 7th conference ["An Evening With Bill Cooper," Showboat
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Hotel Sports Pavilion, Las Vegas, Nevada, 5:00 p.m. - 8:00 p.m.,
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$15 per person], or other symposiums in the future?
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Lazar:
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I don't think so, no.
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Nelson:
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Well look, I think you're a very brave man. With that kind of
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an onus on your head, it takes a lot of courage to keep coming
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back to the airwaves. I stand up and cheer as one.
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Caller:
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How do your magnetohydrodynamics studies relate to the hot
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spots in the earth's magnetic flux, and does that relate to the
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deep-hole theory, the Soviet Union's plan?
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Lazar:
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I don't know what the Soviet Union's plan was. I looked at
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it from a power point of view, as producing on a large scale
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plasma-generated energy in a power-plant situation, or producing
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something that would retrofit -- like a coal-fired plant that
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has a lot of waste heat and high-energy plasma.
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Caller:
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The question is, are you experimenting using the earth's flux?
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From: paranet!p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin
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Subject: KVEG/Lazar Transcript #18 (Conclusion)
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Date: 28 Dec 89 02:17:00 GMT
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<...Continued from previous message>
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Lazar:
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No. There's stand-alone high-energy magnets that I use.
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Caller:
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What is the atomic weight of 115?
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Lazar:
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I hate even to guess. I know it because we've written it down
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because we've calculated it, but I really don't remember.
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Caller:
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Can you give us a ballpark?
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Lazar:
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No, 'cause I'd be wrong! Just like if I gave a ballpark on the
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gravitational wave frequency -- and that's really bugging the hell
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out of me.
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There were three things, as a matter of fact, that for some reason
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I've developed a mental block on. I'll have to call Billy, and
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then he can announce it on the air. I'll just call him and then
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he can relay it to everyone.
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New Caller:
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I'd like to stand up and cheer for Bob Lazar! It does take a
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lot of courage, and it's about time somebody stepped forward with
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some information that's being kept from us for so long.
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How long do you think it took them to make their journey here,
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using their methods of propulsion?
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Lazar:
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An extremely short time. I'd hesitate to say, but I don't think
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you're even looking at days.
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Caller:
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Is that because of this gravity lines-of-force thing or because
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time stands still for them and it really does take a long time
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but they don't know it because time stands still?
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Lazar:
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No, they're actually traveling almost IN-BETWEEN time because
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of the way that they distort time and space. So that they're
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traveling vast distances without the incrementation of time.
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The time would be very, very little. Days is probably --
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I'm way off saying that, too. But I hate to say something
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and be really far off.
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Caller:
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Could these aliens be robots and not actually be native beings
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from that galaxy?
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Lazar:
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I imagine it's possible. Who knows what actually flew the
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craft, whether or not aliens have ever been in Area S-4
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down there, but it's possible that some automated creature
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flew them. Who knows?
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Goodman:
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You made a statement when he asked how long it took them
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to get here, and when you were inside the spacecraft itself
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you didn't see any sleeping quarters. So perhaps they just
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start in the morning and they're here in the afternoon;
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it's that simple as far as OUR time goes.
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Lazar:
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If it even takes that long.
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Barbara:
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When your hypnotherapist, Layne Keck, talked on the air
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about you, did you request that?
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Lazar:
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That he talk about me?
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Barbara:
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Uh huh.
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Lazar:
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No, George Knapp requested that, and then Layne called me to
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find out if it would be okay, and I said yeah, go ahead.
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Barbara:
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Well, I called the office and that was what I was told,
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and it didn't seem quite --
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Lazar:
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That I requested Layne to go on? No.
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Barbara:
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That's what the person in the office said.
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How was your experience there with him? How did you feel
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about your experience?
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Lazar:
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As far as what? How I got along with Layne?
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Barbara:
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No. As far as how you felt comfortable with going back
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to some unpleasant experiences.
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Lazar:
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The emotions came up when you're under hypnosis, and that
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part wasn't exactly pleasant.
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Barbara:
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How do you feel about it today?
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Lazar:
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I feel better. At the time, it wasn't very pleasant.
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But in general, just being under hypnosis is a really
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good feeling.
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Barbara:
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You have the videotape of that?
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Lazar:
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Yeah.
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Barbara:
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It's in your possession?
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Lazar:
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I don't want to say where it is, but I know where it is.
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Barbara:
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I'm going to be doing that because I was with him. So for
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my own personal information, I just wanted to do that,
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because I have good aliens, bad aliens, you know, it runs
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in my family. And there's an extreme reason why I'm going to
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be doing this, so I wanted to clarify that and try to
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make myself . . .Although I can do it on my own, I won't
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go deeper than a certain point.
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New Caller:
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Is there any limit on the distance a spaceship can travel.
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Can it actually travel out of our galaxy to the Andromeda
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galaxy? How far can 223 grams of Element 115 take you?
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Lazar:
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I really don't know. From what I understand, the actual
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consumption of the element is very low; I imagine it is
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possible with enough [junk] made to travel to another galaxy.
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Caller:
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I assume the gravity wave is more powerful than the
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gamma wave, correct?
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Lazar:
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Than the GAMMA wave?
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Caller:
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Or the spectral wave? What's the limit on light waves
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with the 10 billion light years or something -- how far light
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can travel?
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Lazar:
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A limit as far as what? It depends on the interaction:
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the gravitational fields the beam passes through, the
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photons pass through, and so on and so forth, so there's
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no real limit at true dead space.
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As I said last time, and only one person took advantage
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of it, if anyone does have any questions they want to ask
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me, they can write in care of this station. A person called
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earlier and wanted a copy of that newspaper article. I
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have no problem in copying that and sending it to him.
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So just write to the station, whatever the address is.
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Thanks to Robert B. Klinn, ParaNet's Director of Research and Investigation
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for the preparation of this transcript.
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