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ANOTHER GREAT FILE FROM
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LEXI'S PLACE 407 656 1601
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Edited Transcript: SPOTLIGHT CO
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March 26, 1989
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Guest: Dr. David Nutter
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Topic: A Psychological Perspective on D&S
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(12,:: Will ::) Well, everyone, the time draws nigh to once more enter the
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exciting world of SPOTLIGHT ON D&S, our weekly CO where we discuss topics
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of interest and concern to those who express dominance and submission in
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their sexuality.
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Our host tonight will be Dr. Nutter, but, before I introduce him, a word:
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this is a formal CO. If you wish to ask a question, type ? if you wish to
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make a comment, type !. End with ga, and please do not type in open unless
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I have recognized you in your turn.
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Now, everyone, our guest is Dr. Nutter, a psychiatrist and sex therapist
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who apparently has had some experience with d&s from the psychological
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perspective. Welcome aboard, Dr. Nutter! would you please tell us a bit
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about yourself and your experience? ga
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(12,Dr. Nutter) Hello, everyone. I am a psychiatrist who specializes in
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the area of Human Sexuality. My work consists of treating various sexual
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dysfunctions such as erection problems, anorgasmia, lack of sexual desire,
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etc. However, I also work in the area of sexual fantasy, sexual offenses,
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paraphilias and sexual phobias.
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(12,Joel & Allysse) ?
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(12,Dr. Nutter) I am also a consulting editor for Human Sexuality on
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Compuserve ga
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(12,:: Will ::) Thanks, Doctor! I see we already have a question-- Joel
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and Allysse, go right ahead. ga
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(12,:: Angelique ::) ?
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(12,Shiva) ???
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(12,Old MRD) ;-)
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(12,Joel & Allysse) What do you mean by "work in sexual fantasy?" Do you
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consider people who enjoy D&S to be in need of help ? GA
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(12,Dr. Nutter) Not usually, it is just a variation of sexual interest. ga
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(12,:: Will ::) Alright, let's see... Angelique, you're up next, please
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go ahead. ga
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(12,Joe C.) ?
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(12,Kay B.) ?
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(12,:: Angelique ::) Thanks, Will. Dr. Nutter, after we chatted the other
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day, I was quite interested in the work you've done in extreme crisis
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intervention--particularly with masochists who inflict extreme self-
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injury. I was just wondering whether you had an overall theories on the
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roots of such behavior and on its treatment? ga
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(12,Des J.) ?
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(12,john h.) ?
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(12,Dr. Nutter) The roots of such behavior, that is a hard question.
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However, this particular person came from a strict religious background
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where any sexual subject was taboo. It was thought that to her having
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sexual fantasies needed to be punished. She did so by cutting herself
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repeatedly in the vaginal area with razors. This required multiple
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transfusions.
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(12,Joel & Allysse) ?
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(12,Dr. Nutter) She was also sexually aroused by such behavior despite its
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scaring her. She felt unable to stop her behavior and was asking for help.
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She was treated with Sexual supressant drugs.
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(12,:: Will ::) ?????
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(12,Kay B.) ???
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(12,Dr. Nutter) This was able to decrease her compulsive
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behavior. ga
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(12,:: Will ::) Thanks, Doctor. Shiva, you have a question or several? ga
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(12,Shiva) Will, several, thanks. Dr. Nutter:
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1. Why a sexual suppressant--wouldn't an avenue for for the release of the
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sexual energy be more beneficial?
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2. Do you find that masochistic behavior of this sort (extreme self-
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injury) is equal to the armor the individual has in them, and that the
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extremes they go to are to move beyond or pierce that armor?
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3. Following the various psychological disturbances that can accompany
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growths in consciousness, do you ever find individuals that move towards a
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D/s lifestyle or explore it as a way of coming to terms with that growth?
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ga
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(12,Dr. Nutter) Those are good questions. The first avenue that was tried
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was giving permission just to masturbate and then to fantasize rather than
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cutting. This did work for about 6 months. However, she again fell into
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her old compulsive routine. Many other avenues were explored and despite
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excellent insight her behavior remained life threatening.
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As an answer to number 2--You are right in that this person had an
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extreme of character- logical defenses that strengthened at every
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confrontation. It is true that for some people exploring a D/s lifestyle
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could result in a freeing of themselves. However, for this person the
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attention getting behavior of her compulsions provided too much
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reinforcement. ga
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(12,Shiva) ?
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(12,:: Will ::) Shiva, if your next question is a continuance of the dis-
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cussion at hand, please go ahead. If not, we'll go to the next person. ga
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(12,Shiva) It is, thanks Will. Dr. Nutter, in this particualr case what,
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if any, feelings did this person have during her self-injury other than
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compulsion or atonement? ga
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(12,Dr. Nutter) Guilt and arousal. She was aroused by the sight of blood
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when she cut herself when taking baths. She felt guilty at being so
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aroused and would often orgasm and the cycle would continue. ga
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(12,:: Will ::) Okay! Joe C., some time ago you had a question? ga
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(12,Joe C.) My question is, do you in your practice see patients that want
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D/s relationships but don't know how to meet and ask the question of
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interest, and what do you or would tell them? And is D/s behavior rooted
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in childhood experiences, in your opinion? ga
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(12,Dr. Nutter) I really don't get asked that first question as much as
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how to bring it up in an existing relationship. Often, yes it is rooted
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in childhood experiences. Spanking for instance can be very arousing to a
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child. They feel the sense of someone taking control over them and this is
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sometimes paired with sexual excitement or humiliation.. ga
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(12,Shiva) !
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(12,:: Will ::) Kay B., you have a question? ga
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(12,Kay B.) Thanks, Will. Dr. Nutter, do you have any suggestions for
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couples who differ in their sexual fantasies, One partner finding D/s
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enjoyable and necessary, the other aversive? ga
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(12,Dr. Nutter) Yes. The partner who has D/s fantasies should listen
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closely to the other partner's fantasy. Usually in just about every
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fantasy there can be found a D/s component. If the fantasy can be slowly
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altered over time to more D/s themes that is, one step at a time, often
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the other person will become more accepting of D/s images. ga
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(12,:: Will ::) Okay. John H. you had a question? ga
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(12,Kay B.) ?
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(12,john h.) Dr Nutter; What other "reasons" can you find other than
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childhood experiences? I am attracted to D&S more and more (and finally
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don't feel so guilty), yet I had a typical suburban childhood. No abuse or
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broken home, etc.
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(12,Dr. Nutter) Good question. Perhaps a religious up bringing with a lot
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of ritualistic behavior and negative sex attitudes. I would be
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interested to know what you think? ga
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(12,john h.) Well, I didn't have a particularly strict religious up-
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bringing, though my Mom did take me and my sister to church each week.
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About the only unusual thing (and maybe it's not that unusual) was that my
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folks didn't discuss sex. I was told about it by friends. By the time my
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folks probably got ready to tell me about the birds and bees, the secrets
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had been revealed in health class at school and by friends. ga.
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(12,john h. ) What other causes can be identified? ga
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(12,Dr. Nutter) It is a question that I find hard to answer. It is one of
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the reasons I am interested in D/s psychologically. ga
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(12,Will :) Alright... Joel and Allysse, you had a question? ga
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(12,Joel & Allysse) Dr Nutter, can you tell us what you see as the
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positive aspects of a D/s lifestyle/relationship? I am distressed that the
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negative aspects are sometimes over emphasized by the press and other
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Doctors. ga
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(12,Dr. Nutter) Trust! I feel that trusting and knowing what the other
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person wants are very important in a relationship. I think being able to
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explore the other person's limits not only increases excitement in the
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relationship but adds to a deeper sense of intimacy and self knowledge. ga
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(12,:: Will ::) Shiva, you had a comment? ga
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(12,Shiva) Yes, Will, thanks. Dr. Nutter, I have seen that the inverse is
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also true in D/s behavior--as regards childhood experiences--in that I
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have one 'client' who, as a child, had a very weak father, and in all her
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adult relationships would end them in anger, because she didn't find a
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strong male. Now she is in a D/s relationship and very happy and is
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'blossoming' very quickly.
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(12,Joel & Allysse) /sen Very interested in having the ability to lock in
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dildos in each hole in addition
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(12,Joel & Allysse) Damn!
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(12,:: Will ::) Guffaw!
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(12,Michael) #$%)@*#!
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(12,MRD) ;-)
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(12, :: Angelique ::) ROFL!
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(12,denis) (widening eyes)
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(12,Joel & Allysse) (Joel) Sorry for dropping the line!
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(12,Joel & Allysse) (Allysse) Joel did it, but I will be in trouble
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*smile*
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(12,:: Will ::) Quite alright, you're forgiven. Sorry, Shiva--continue.
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(12,Shiva) Also, in the power play and exlporation of the unknown we get
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to be children in a very 'ADULT' world. ga
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(12,Dr. Nutter) I believe that being able to find the child in our
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relationships is a very important concept. Thanks for your input. ga
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(12,:: Will ::) Okay, next up is (surprise) me! Doctor, you mentioned
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sexual suppression drugs-- are these some sort of sedatives or is there a
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drug that somehow affects sexuality? ga
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(12,Dr. Nutter) There are sedatives that have been used to try and supress
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sexual appetite but these do not work well, if at all. I am speaking of
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what is called an anti-androgen. This lowers testosterone in the blood
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stream and occupies testosterone receptor sites in the brain and supresses
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sexual apetite to a controllable degree for some one whose sexual
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compulsion is out of control and dangerous to their health. ga
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(12,:: Will ::) Thanks, Doc.
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(12,Kay B.) ?
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(12,:: Will ::) Well then, Kay, please go ahead. ga
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(12,Kay B.) Thanks, Will. I have two questions: 1. do anti testo drugs
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work in women where estrogens also effect level of libido? and 2. I am
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perseverating on the fantasy question. Dr. Nutter, your suggestions to the
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couple would work if the D/s partner were D however if s/he were s, then
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s/he would be in a bind trying to change the partner--which is more of a D
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stance--while convincing the partner to become dominant. ga
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(12,Dr. Nutter) First anti- androgens have rarely been used in women. I
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only know of 4. A lot more research needs to be done in this area. But of
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the 4, 3 of them have felt it helped to control unwanted sexual behavior.
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As to the second question, you are right, it is difficult to get a
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submissive to be dominant than vice versa. I do believe that even a very
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submisive person has some region left where they exercise some control but
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it could take who knows how long to find it. ga
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(12,:: Will ::) Doc, did you have any questions for us? I know you
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expressed an interest in asking. ga
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(12,Kay B.) ?
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(12,Dr. Nutter) I am interested if any of the rest of you have ideas about
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the origins of D/s behavior. ga
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(12,:: Will ::) Okay, folks, if anyone wants to tackle it, type ! now. and
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I'll call on you. ga
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(12,:: Angelique ::) !
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(12,Kay B.) !
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(12,Joel & Allysse) !!
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(12,:: Will ::) Angelique, you first, then Kay. ga
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(12,:: Angelique ::) I think it's obvious that d/s orientation originates
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in childhood--the real question is the correlation between stimuli and the
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development of personality. Why are some children aroused by spankings,
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others not? Are there any specific patterns, or is it all merely random?
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If you know the work of Alice Miller, you're familiar with her theories
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that especially intelligent children are more sensitive to stimuli. She
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examines the impact of parental narcissism and violence on gifted
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children. ga
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(12,:: Will ::) Kay? ga
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(12,Kay B.) I think it is erroneous to posit that all patterns of behavior
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are set in childhood. There are more recent studies suggesting that we
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keep on developing. It is quite possible that we explore and learn and
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condition, if you will, new patterns in adulthood. It is quite possible
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that some of the changes occur as a function of the environment that we
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are in, the reading we are exposed to, etc. We try out new behaviors, find
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them pleasurable, get them rewarded, and continue them. ga
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(12,:: Will ::) Joel and Allysse, your answer? ga
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(12,john h.) !
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(12,Joel & Allysse) (Joel), I can remember my feelings starting to develop
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in childhood as a response to wanting to be able to control women who
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seemed to ignore me. I think my desires originate from that area. GA
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(12,Kay B.) !
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(12,:: Will ::) John, you had an answer? ga
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(12,john h.) Could it be (for the sub) a way to escape pressures? i
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remember having bondage fantasies before i knew about sex, but i was under
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quite a bit of pressure to excel in school, and now a kind of pressure
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job. Though i hate to put it that way--seems like i'm blaming my parents
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or something. I have no intention of doing that. The were and are great.
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GA.
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(12,:: Will ::) Kay, we'll have your comment and then Dr. Nutter can have
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his last say. Then we'll wrap up, since our time's up. ga
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(12,Kay B.) I wonder how common it is in children to have power fantasies
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and how often these are continued into adulthood? ga
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(12,Dr. Nutter) It is very common to have power fantasies in childhood. I
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believe all children have them. However, some children may have them to an
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inordinate degree. In those children it may become a dominant (pun) part
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of their personality. ga
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(12,:: Will ::) Doctor, have you anything to add before we close down
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the CO? ga
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(12,Dr. Nutter) Yes! My experience tells me that some people get into
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different variations for fun and variety. However, those that come to see
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me are trying to stop their behavior because it has become almost an
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addiction that may be costing them psychologicaly as well as legally.
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Those that feel they are a complete slave (pun) to only one lifestyle and
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cannot find anyway out, in my experience, got into completing adolesence.
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Thank you for answering my questions. It was a unique and interesting
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experience. ga
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(12,:: Will ::) For us too, Doc. Many thanks for being with us and my
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thanks also to those who asked and answered tonight. And now, long
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overdue, I declare this session of SpotLight on D&S to be OVER!!!!! Thanks
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again, Dr. Nutter. ga
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(12,:: Angelique ::) Thanks. We appreciate your spending time here.
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(12,john h.) Thanks Doc.
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(12,Joel & Allysse) Thanks Doc.
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(12,Michael) Thanks one and all for an interesting CO.
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(12,:: Will ::) You're welcome, Michael,
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(12,Joel & Allysse) To all of you, good night and happy spanking.
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