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REPLY TO NOBOX.TXT
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OK, so I read the text about what I wrote - But there are still things I don`t
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understand...
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Below quoted text and responses and more questions.
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1> After that `Hacking and Phreaking' programme on C4 where those two pricks
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showed off their skills of boxing on television, I have heard from more
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that one source that some 0800 numbers that you can box from suddenly
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died. How long they died for I don`t know. I have heard various lengths
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of time quoted - from 5 minutes to 5 hours.
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Now in this time - I dunno what happened. I KNOW from another reliable
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source that the lines die for no reason sometimes anyway. It could be a
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co-incidence that they died right after a programme about phreaking - It
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is possible - but what are the chances of it happening.....??
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This happens because of software changes to routing etc, The lines all go
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busy while someone is editing the software, you can tell because it rings
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busy and not 'all lines to the country you require are engaged' message
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3) These kind of bullshit rumours have done the rounds before.
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This is true, but you must remember that BT don't want the bad press but
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now that it has been on TV everyone knows about it and they want to stop
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people doing it now.
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[[[ Have BT ever REALLY done anything to stop Boxing in the past. They ]]]
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[[[ might even be totally ignorant of it. I knew some one who used to ]]]
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[[[ work in the `Anti-DeFrauding' part of BT and when I mentioned Blue ]]]
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[[[ Boxing they "That Doesn`t Happen Much Any More - It Used To In The ]]]
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[[[ Early `80s Though" Was he trying to fool me - or did he say it ]]]
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[[[ geniunaly? ]]]
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5) The other thing I woulod like to know is how the billing system works.
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Firstly, how do they know who to bill? There must be some kind of hardware
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that traces the call back to your number, and can then detect when you
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connect, and start billing you. I don`t know how good BT are at tracing
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calls, and I think it might only be possible that tracing is done with
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a human on-line working with the software - ie: That it isn`t fully
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automated. This would mean BT spending LOTS of money paying for operators
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to trace your call etc.
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Ok now this shit pisses me off, people tell stories about how the system
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works when they know fuck all! Heres how the UK bluebox works.
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1) You are not blueboxing off the country you are calling at all, as soon
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as you break the line to the operator number you are calling it drops the
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line to that number. You break into what is effectivly an emulator, your
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local exchange dials into a system in Blackpool which then dials into the
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international number and then breaks the line itself and dials forward to
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the operator number in that country.
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So when you bluebox, the call originates from the UK, so BT don't need to
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bother tracing because they already know exactly who is dialing out of the
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emulator. The reason you normally don't get charged is because they don't
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detect for a second break of the line as sometimes it fails the first time
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and has to redial. Did you ever dial an international number and get the
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OTC block tone and then wait a few seconds and then it connected. This is
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because the emulator is dialing again. This is why they don't charge you.
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However what they can do and probably are doing as I know the feature
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exists is detecting a different second number.
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Did you ever wonder why all bluebox numbers that people use these days have
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the same delay and the same line quality? And the same break tones?
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[[[ I think the line quality when I box is quite good. It does the job ]]]
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[[[ very well, and I don`t notice any delay much at all. Its not a ]]]
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[[[ satelite link - I think its an Earth link.... ]]]
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Old style blueboxers will know that this is never the case when dialing out
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of the country that you are calling into.
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6) The books wouldn`t balance. BT would make money that they charge you, even
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though the poor sods who own the boxable 0800 numbers would still have a
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bill to pay, so BT would get twice as much money - unless they stopped
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charging the 0800 number as soon as the line was broken, so the owner
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wouldn`t get charged for nothing.
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Maybe this is why they havn't killed blueboxing so far, but:
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Operator numbers on a large scale like that AT&T BELL etc pay a flat rate
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and sometimes don't pay at all, I know that MCI don't pay for their 0800
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number because they give BT access to MCI 800's in the states for UKDIRECT
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services.
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7) Why hasn`t it happened earlier? Phone bills come every 3 months so surely
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other people should have been charged for their `boxed' calls, not just
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this ONE guy? I`m sure if they did bill for boxed calls then other people
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would have had this problem too.
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Because of the publicity, BT now want to stop blueboxing, there has also
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been a change in the law to allow them to do this. Also maybe they have
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only done it to one person as a test case to see if he would pay up or try
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to sue. Maybe they have to switch this on on specific lines. I couldn't
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say, but what I would say is that it has been done before for other methods
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of fraud like Blackboxing.
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[[[ OK So whats this change in the Law - Tell me more ]]]
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8) BT have a lot to gain by making boxers PAY when they box. Filters will
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just stop people for a while, until they find another method to do it.
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Tracing calls (if they can do it) and taking people to court will not stop
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everyone. (There are always some who don`t, or pay phones to box from) BUT
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making people PAY will detere every one, as they are actually PAYING MONEY
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and they know it, so they won`t do it.
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BT can never fail to make money, someone is always paying, but I don't
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think that they are at all worried about blueboxing affecting their
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revenue.
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9) What does/will happen when you box out from phoneboxes, if you do get
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charged for boxed calls? Will it still be possible, or will the phone
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start asking for money? I don`t see how it can, but it may be a
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possibility.
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Try it, you will find in some areas, especially digital system Y or Z
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echanges the line will drop after a minute or two, you can also try dialing
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999 after the connection (dial the 0800 on a tone dialer) this sometimes
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works but BT have pretty much disconnected this feature from payphones.
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A) On most modern exchanges you can find out how much a call cost by pressing
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`R *40#' during the coversation. When you put the phone down, the
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exchange phones you back up and tells you how much the call cost. I did
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this when I boxed to one of those shit chat-lines, and when I put the
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phone down and the exchange phoned me back up - it said `No charge for
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this call. No charge for this call...." This is my biggest bit of
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evidence against that T-File.
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Well try dialing the 0800 number with charge advice, on system X exchanges
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(not Y or Z) if you dial the 0800 number and don't bluebox then it wont
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dial you back at all, but if you bluebox and hangup it will call you back
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and say there was no charge for your call. This means that it is
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registering the call as not an operator call, but a direct dialed call.
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Therefore they can pick this up.
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[[[ NOT on my exchange it doesn`t. Does this mean that I am safe for ]]]
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[[[ the moment then? What areas are these different X,Y & Z, exchanges ]]]
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[[[ In? ]]]
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B) If it`s true, then I`m saying goodbye to the modem scene. I`m not paying
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money for cards - Unless the people selling them drop their prices bcoz
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they will be in greater demand. And I might well wait round for 3
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months till I get my phone bill.
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Well there are far better ways of phreaking that don't involve blueboxing
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or paying for cards. So try and find a better way.
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[[[ What kind of methods that don`t involve Blue Boxing or Paying for ]]]
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[[[ Cards? Perhaps you could enlighten me (us? ]]]
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C) Maybe this `Ex-Phreak' who got billed for his boxed calls should digitise
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his bill, and let everyone see the evidence??.......
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I would say to him to come forward with a name and then we know who he is,
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if he really wants to help the scene. Maybe he doesn't.
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[[[ Yeah - silly asshole. Give us name & evidence. Then perhaps you ]]]
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[[[ can help us ALL! ]]]
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Reply to NOBOX.TXT
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A text from someone who wants to know
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a bit more about telecomunications!
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/ _/ \/ __/__/ / /\/ \ / _/ \ \//__// __/__
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2X Nodes \ \ \ / / / / \/ \ / \/ / 2X Nodes
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UK \_______/____/__/ / \____/\_______/ \ \_____/ UK
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14.4k 32/42bis .............. A4000/30 33mhz 68882 25 mhz
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