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Message #3591 - GodNet General Chatter
Date: 02-08-93 23:09
From: Tal Meta
To: Morgan Lefay
Subject: Re: cyber-anything
ML> To begin with, Nature and technology really CAN'T co-exist harmoniously.
ML> destroys for a greater purpose, and the other destroys out of ignorance
ML> and boredom.
Yes, but which is which?
A beaver dam is technically technology... for beavers. The beaver's don't do
studies to see the enviromental impact of their dams, they just build them
because they need 'em. Human dams, on the other hand, are built for much the
same purpose, but are (today, anyway) built with an eye on what it will do to
the surrrounding ecology.
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Message #3592 - GodNet General Chatter
Date: 02-08-93 23:20
From: Tal Meta
To: Morgan Lefay
Subject: Re: cyber-anything
ML> Okay. As a mother, I have to ask this question. If said child was in
ML> reality (and I use the term loosly due to the subject here) nothing more
ML> than data, would it truly be capable of love? I don't think I'd want my
ML> child to hug and love me and grow in front of my eyes simply because it
ML> was programmed to do so. Or for that matter, my mate.... I'd rather be
ML> with someone capable of genuine emotion and passion than some high-tech
ML> automaton. Nope. Good or bad
ML> I'll take Life.
Yes, but how can you tell the difference?
Does your child love you because it chooses to, or because of the fact that
you supply it with food, shelter, and entertainment/nurturing? And aren't
instincts a kind of programming?
And what is love, anyway? :)
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Message #3610 - GodNet General Chatter
Date: 03-08-93 10:52
From: Zodiac
To: Morgan Lefay
Subject: Re: cyber-anything
ML> Not to mention the fact that, like any other computer program, the program
ML> (offspring) only knows what the programmer (or parent) thought to tell it.
well, I'm sure sooner or later we'll be able to develop self_editing programs,
that can modify themselves to their needs, and also look for other sources of
information...like if you planted some big old computer on the internet, and
taught it to understand english, and gave it the ability to reason to an
extent (with the help of neural_net type thinger) and just gave it a zillion
addresses to look at, i'm sure that it would learn a whole lot more than what
the programmer had in mind...it'll happen one of these days, or years..
zod
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Message #3611 - GodNet General Chatter
Date: 03-08-93 10:54
From: Zodiac
To: Blitzkrieg
Subject: Re: cyber-anything
Bl> Yeah, but what about those couples who want kids but cant have any? They
Bl> could "virtually" conceive a child, who would remain in cyberspace, and be
Bl> "theirs".
wow, that's a nice thaught, but it'd prolly be mega-emotionally trying...i
sure wouldn't want a cyberkid :)
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Message #3623 - GodNet General Chatter
Date: 04-08-93 06:23
From: Flammable Fuzzball
To: High Priest
Subject: Re: cyber-anything
Well you also have to take into account the other natural chemicals released
by your brain and body during a trip. I'm speaking hypothetically since I
don't know all of the chemicals, but if a chemical is secreted from your
system as a result of taking the LSD, and that second chemical will cause
flashbacks, then I'd have to say that flashbacks are indeed a direct result
of LSD usage.
And something I do know for fact, I trip has nothing whatsoever to with
LSD, a trip is caused by the chemicals released from the brain as a result
of taking the lsd. Lsd actually leaves the brain minutes after it enters,
the remaining effects are caused soley by the brain's own chemicals, not by
the LSD itself. The LSD is more of a trigger. That's part of the reason
why they say LSD is so safe to use, it isn't in your brain that long, the
trip is simply a result of the LSD triggering a release of chemicals in your
brain.
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Message #3627 - GodNet General Chatter
Date: 02-08-93 10:17
From: Jimi Hendrix
To: Neoplasm
Subject: Re: cyber-anything
NE>brains with them...from what I understand about intelligence, it has
NE>something to do with the relationship between the size of the brain and the
NE>body... tho I'd assume that a minimum amount of brain cells is needed to
NE>spontaniously form a thought...
Nope.. some pretty smart people have had smallish brains..
Its more important on how much of your brain you use efficently..
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Message #3628 - GodNet General Chatter
Date: 02-08-93 10:18
From: Jimi Hendrix
To: Romester
Subject: Re: cyber-anything
RO>JH> Tell me this if you went to two different people
RO>JH> told them both to SIT and one sat and the other justs walks away
RO>JH> WHO WOULD YOU SAY IS SMARTER?
RO>Thats kind of irrelevant, isn't it? We are talking about Cats & Dogs, not
RO>people. But if you must know, anyone who does not do as I say is a
RO>COMPLETE IDIOT!.
hahah..
Actually its VERY relevent.. I don't know why people think they are so
spiffy dorri anyhow.. so we can make bombs to blow ourselves up.. boy oh
boy.. now THATS a superior lifeform!
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Message #3630 - GodNet General Chatter
Date: 02-08-93 10:18
From: Jimi Hendrix
To: Terminator
Subject: Re: LSD
TE>Syd Berret. Many of my friends have experienced flahbacks (One Ended up
TE>killing himself)
Syd had many problems other than his acid use...
Besides.. the amount of acid he did was enourmous..
More per his body size than Hendrix or Morrison..
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Message #4329 - GodNet General Chatter
Date: 04-08-93 08:44
From: Agthorr
To: Terminator
Subject: Re: cyber-anything
> Terminator smurfed this message to Romester
Te> Sorry ! Cats are smarter than dogs ! No question about it . A dog may
Te> understand alot of commands that even I don't understand, doesn't
Te> mewan their smart ! Cats either you like it or not ARE smarter than
Te> dogs. If you'd be intrsted there is litter written about it. Can Find
Te> it your local lib.
I saw a Far Side cartoon and it says two things:
What a dog hears, "Blah blah blah Rex blah blah Rex blah"
What a cat hears, " "
It's totally true too. :)
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Message #4350 - GodNet General Chatter
Date: 04-08-93 19:10
From: Jimi Hendrix
To: Romester
Subject: Re: cyber-anything
RO>No way. Don't equate smart with "independendant." I am interested in the
RO>little written about it. What is your source.
Cats can..
Open doors
fight better
do more..
Whats my source.. about 30+ cats we've had since i was a kid
Plus I have seen cats respond to thier name..
Once.. we couldn't find our cat
WE yelled.. "here willie.. here willie"
bout 2 minutes later he came walking in with a "piss off" look on his
face...
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Message #4351 - GodNet General Chatter
Date: 05-08-93 12:22
From: Romester
To: Jimi Hendrix
Subject: Re: cyber-anything
JH> Plus I have seen cats respond to thier name..
JH> Once.. we couldn't find our cat
JH> WE yelled.. "here willie.. here willie"
JH> bout 2 minutes later he came walking in with a "piss off" look on his
So you had one smart cat out of 30+. I have had tons of dogs since I was a
kid, and they all knew their name.
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Message #4352 - GodNet General Chatter
Date: 05-08-93 23:16
From: Terminator
To: Romester
Subject: Re: cyber-anything
Ok I'll get you any item conerning this item, I asure you. Just give me some
time. My sources in this matter are scientifical prgrams. I'll supply you with
the facts don't worry ! And To discrimate the dog a little more ; A rat with
wings)Pigeon) is smarter, well it depmdes on what is smart , doesn't it ?
But anyway (99) piegons on one square. You have two persons giving out seeds!
The First gives two as the other fives one. Guess what ! 66 of the piegons
goes to the part who throws out 2 seed at a time !! Now this is facts ! Now
would the dogs fight about this or divide in seperate parties ??
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Message #4353 - GodNet General Chatter
Date: 05-08-93 23:19
From: Terminator
To: Jimi Hendrix
Subject: Re: LSD
I know Syd had other problems, but the drug who PROBABLY provoked many of his
problems was LSD and I'm sorry, I MAY kill you. HAD friends in that position.
I'm NOT saying everybody experience this (I haven't,sort of) !!!!!
So Jimi play that guitar and proceed with Speed ....!!!
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Message #4354 - GodNet General Chatter
Date: 06-08-93 22:30
From: Farmer Bogshroom
To: Romester
Subject: Re: cyber-anything
You ever think the cat just does'nt care enough to respond? I mean, they like
to have attention sometimes, but most of the time they want you out of their
way.
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Message #4355 - GodNet General Chatter
Date: 07-08-93 01:04
From: Romester
To: Terminator
Subject: Re: cyber-anything
T> But anyway (99) piegons on one square. You have two persons giving out
T> seeds!
T> The First gives two as the other fives one. Guess what ! 66 of the piegons
T> goes to the part who throws out 2 seed at a time !! Now this is facts !
T> Now would the dogs fight about this or divide in seperate parties ??
Dogs don't eat birdseed. How burned were you when you wrote THAT?!
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Message #4393 - GodNet General Chatter
Date: 05-08-93 23:27
From: High Priest
To: Jimi Hendrix
Subject: Re: LSD
JH> Syd had many problems other than his acid use...
JH> Besides.. the amount of acid he did was enourmous..
JH> More per his body size than Hendrix or Morrison..
Syd was tripping almost constantly. And it wasn't entirely his fault.
Back in those days friends would give him food and drinks laced with acid
as an everyday occurance. He'd simply be taking acid constantly.
It certainly didn't help when his sanity was on the way out in the first
place. The LSD simply quicked the process.
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Message #4400 - GodNet General Chatter
Date: 07-08-93 22:51
From: Ace Lightning
To: Morgan Lefay
Subject: Re: cyber-anything
Nature and Technology are **NOT** (as some people seem to believe) opposites.
The Goddess made us humans capable of making technology. We are part of
nature. Our technological creations are just as much a part of nature as a
beaver dam or a termite mound.
However, we are also among the small group of the Goddess' children who have
the capacity to choose our actions based on our moral judgements. It IS most
emphatically our responsibility to use our technology RESPONSIBLY.
Nothing is intrinsically good or evil. We can only judge by what results we
observe. Industry that creates toxic wastes that give our children cancer is
"evil". But industry that creates non-polluting solar panels out of recycled
materials is "good".
And I'm not going to give up my techie-toys without a struggle! :)
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Message #4417 - GodNet General Chatter
Date: 08-08-93 16:44
From: Grinning Coyote
To: High Priest
Subject: LSD
> acid constantly. It certainly didn't help when his sanity was on
> the way out in the first place. The LSD simply quicked the
> process.
From what I've been reading lately about LSD, had he had the right setting and
friends around him, the acid could have CURED him. Remember, Leary had a 90%
CURE RATE on hardened criminals...
<Grin>
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Message #7349 - GodNet General Chatter
Date: 09-08-93 06:25
From: Agnostic Messiah
To: Grinning Coyote
Subject: Re: LSD
GC> From what I've been reading lately about LSD, had he had the right setting
GC> friends around him, the acid could have CURED him. Remember, Leary had a
GC> 90% CURE RATE on hardened criminals...
hmm, i'd have to go with you on that.. it's certainly helped me in certain
problems I've had..
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Message #7374 - GodNet General Chatter
Date: 07-08-93 08:06
From: Bonghog
To: Terminator
Subject: Re: LSD
How do you know that your friends were experiencing flashbacks when they
killed themselves? Did you communicate with them by some kind of telepathy
right before they did it? And believe me, LSD is a LOT less dangerous than
speed or meth. It's nonaddictive and it doesn't "change your chromosomes" or
any of that other bullshit. And flashbacks are easy to bear. After the initial
shock you realize what it is and wait it out.
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Message #7412 - GodNet General Chatter
Date: 08-08-93 10:14
From: Sandman
To: High Priest
Subject: Re: cyber-anything
HP> No it doesn't. LSD causes no detrimental physical effects on the body.
HP> It has no real side effects. Physically it's one of the safest drugs
HP> out there. Mentally, it may be a different story.
Try reading a medical journal on this subject. You'd be surprised.
-Sandman
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Message #7420 - GodNet General Chatter
Date: 11-08-93 16:10
From: Flammable Fuzzball
To: Sandman
Subject: Re: cyber-anything
SA> HP> No it doesn't. LSD causes no detrimental physical effects on the body.
SA> HP> It has no real side effects. Physically it's one of the safest drugs
SA> HP> out there. Mentally, it may be a different story.
SA>Try reading a medical journal on this subject. You'd be surprised.
For every medical report you show me that says LSD is bad for the body, I can
find one that will tell you it has no harmful lasting effects on the body.
There's no way to truly be sure from reading about it, the only sure fire way
to know for yourself what it does is to go get yourself a chemistry degree and
research it yourself.
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Message #7421 - GodNet General Chatter
Date: 11-08-93 18:36
From: Grinning Coyote
To: Sandman
Subject: cyber-anything
> Try reading a medical journal on this subject. You'd be
> surprised.
Medical Journal as put out by WHOM? The Guv tends to say it'll fuck your
genes, melt your brain..err..sorry...FRY your brain (as evidenced by the egg
commercial...<grin>), and other things too horrible to mention.
On the other hand, Dr. Leary CURED 90% of the repeat offenders (violent
offenses no less!) completely by using Shroom-Pills, and later found the same
benefits of LSD.
Care to quote the journal you're talking about? The two camps are quite
opposed on the subject, and until further studies on the subject are made
legal, it'll remain an intellectual argument...
<Grin>
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Message #11219 - GodNet General Chatter
Date: 11-08-93 12:19
From: Euphoric Demon
To: Bonghog
Subject: LSD
Bo> telepathy right before they did it? And believe me, LSD is a LOT less
Bo> dangerous than speed or meth. It's nonaddictive and it doesn't "change
Bo> your chromosomes" or any of that other bullshit. And flashbacks are
Bo> easy to bear. After the initial shock you realize what it is and wait
Bo> it out.
Bo> I'm looking forward to a new GREEN economy!
Did anyone know LSD stands for LySergic acid Diethylamide?
***[EuPHoRiC DeMoN]***
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Message #11228 - GodNet General Chatter
Date: 08-08-93 17:36
From: Romester
To: Bonghog
Subject: Re: cyber-anything
B> seen some really stupid ones. The same goes for dogs. And of course,
B> everyone will argue in favor of what animal they prefer.
B> Well, my point is made...I think dolphins are smarter anyway... :)
Dolphins can't sit, either.@@
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Message #11229 - GodNet General Chatter
Date: 09-08-93 03:08
From: Bonghog
To: Romester
Subject: Re: cyber-anything
Yes, but cats and dogs don't have nostrils on the tops of their heads.
So there!! :>
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Message #11230 - GodNet General Chatter
Date: 09-08-93 13:06
From: Romester
To: Bonghog
Subject: Re: cyber-anything
B> Yes, but cats and dogs don't have nostrils on the tops of their heads.
B> So there!! :>
But dolphins can't lick their balls.
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Message #11232 - GodNet General Chatter
Date: 09-08-93 21:20
From: Romester
To: Bonghog
Subject: Re: cyber-anything
No dolphins in "Old Yeller"
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Message #11242 - GodNet General Chatter
Date: 12-08-93 19:08
From: Grinning Coyote
To: Flammable Fuzzball
Subject: cyber-anything
> For every medical report you show me that says LSD is bad for the
> body, I can find one that will tell you it has no harmful lasting
> effects on the body. There's no way to truly be sure from reading
> about it, the only sure fire way to know for yourself what it does
> is to go get yourself a chemistry degree and research it yourself.
Since I'm not really willing to do that, I tend to listen to the MAIN expert
in the field of LSD research -- TIMOTHY LEARY. He was one of the only experts
involved in LSD research who did not get a take from the government...
<Grin>
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Message #11254 - GodNet General Chatter
Date: 12-08-93 00:18
From: High Priest
To: Euphoric Demon
Subject: LSD
ED> Did anyone know LSD stands for LySergic acid Diethylamide?
No, it stands for Lysergic Saeur Diethylamide.
^ being the German word for acid.
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