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From ziplock@yabbs Wed Dec 16 21:41:57 1992
From: ziplock@yabbs
To: uufnord@yabbs
Subject: re: Also...
Date: Wed Dec 16 21:41:57 1992
In message re: Also..., uufnord said:
> I don't like the packet sniffers, actually; the best time to run
> them is when a lot of ppl are using the system, and since they're
> by nature CPU HOGS, system performance would start to bite, and
> you run the risk of someone saying "Hey, what's that there process
> doing?"
That's why you run them on a PC or a Mac ;)
Use Etherpeek or something like that.ÿ
From dmonger@yabbs Thu Dec 17 14:30:07 1992
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: drive geometry
Date: Thu Dec 17 14:30:07 1992
couldn't thik of a better place to post this. Does anyone know the
geometry of an IBM R-44 hardrive? I'm trying to get it installed in my PC
and I need to convince my BIOS that it exists.
-dmonger
From reaper@yabbs Thu Dec 24 14:08:22 1992
From: reaper@yabbs
To: uufnord@yabbs
Subject: re: Also...
Date: Thu Dec 24 14:08:22 1992
In message re: Also..., uufnord said:
> best way to gather passwords -- modify the login source, if you can.
> If you can't, you could try to develop some other login replacement.
ÿ
From skitch@yabbs Thu Jan 7 21:03:12 1993
From: skitch@yabbs
To: mandrake@yabbs
Subject: re: bsd386 & security.
Date: Thu Jan 7 21:03:12 1993
Does anyone happen to know how to shadow password files in SunOS 4.1.1?
ÿ
From slayer@yabbs Sat Jan 9 01:47:20 1993
From: slayer@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: bsd386 & security.
Date: Sat Jan 9 01:47:20 1993
Hmm... Does anyone know how to get the REAL passwd file from
ANONYMOUS ftp?
/s
ÿ
From htoaster@yabbs Sat Jan 9 08:53:09 1993
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: slayer@yabbs
Subject: re: bsd386 & security.
Date: Sat Jan 9 08:53:09 1993
You can't. For one thing, anon ftp is chrooted to another directory, so you
can't even get to the real "/etc" directory, just the /etc off of the ftp
tree. For another thing, the whole point of shadowing is too make it so
that you can't get to the shadow file without user 0 (root) privs.
htoaster
ÿ
From omc@yabbs Mon Jan 11 12:37:34 1993
From: omc@yabbs
To: slayer@yabbs
Subject: re: bsd386 & security.
Date: Mon Jan 11 12:37:34 1993
In message re: bsd386 & security., slayer said:
> Hmm... Does anyone know how to get the REAL passwd file from
> ANONYMOUS ftp?
the only way (as far as i know) is tftp adn knowing where it is at
ÿ
From htoaster@yabbs Mon Jan 11 21:59:24 1993
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: omc@yabbs
Subject: re: bsd386 & security.
Date: Mon Jan 11 21:59:24 1993
In message re: bsd386 & security., omc said:
> the only way (as far as i know) is tftp adn knowing where it is at
And anyone who has set their site up worth beans should have tftp disabled.
This technique is really becoming less and less useful these days (even
unix dists have tftp disabled sometimes).
htoaster
ÿ
From ranjur@yabbs Sat Jan 16 05:50:31 1993
From: ranjur@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: UNIX session intercepting..
Date: Sat Jan 16 05:50:31 1993
does anybody know of a way to intercept unix sessions by intercepting
tty's, etc, or maybe monitoring ethernet packets? Assume i have
root access...
From riben@yabbs Sun Jan 17 11:58:40 1993
From: riben@yabbs
To: ranjur@yabbs
Subject: re: UNIX session intercepting..
Date: Sun Jan 17 11:58:40 1993
If you have root access, the world is your oyster. You can both intercept
all data to come via the tty's, AND run a ethernet packet sniffer.
Keep in mind that the packets you see are only the ones on your local LAN.
What sort of application did you have in mind?
From reaper@yabbs Tue Jan 19 19:25:14 1993
From: reaper@yabbs
To: ranjur@yabbs
Subject: re: UNIX session intercepting..
Date: Tue Jan 19 19:25:14 1993
well, look in the latest issue of Phrack (#41) for an article about TTY
spoofing. basically, tty spoofing is looking for a new terminal that has
just been opened and seizing it so that you can fake the login: and
password: prompts.
ÿ
From reaper@yabbs Tue Jan 19 19:25:57 1993
From: reaper@yabbs
To: ranjur@yabbs
Subject: re: UNIX session intercepting..
Date: Tue Jan 19 19:25:57 1993
oh about my previous message anbout the article in phrack . . . you don't
need root access for this one! ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ÿ
From riben@yabbs Tue Jan 19 19:45:09 1993
From: riben@yabbs
To: reaper@yabbs
Subject: re: UNIX session intercepting..
Date: Tue Jan 19 19:45:09 1993
Sure, no need for root access.
Unfortunately, it tends not to work on any system. The Pitt system that
was used as an example has been fixed for some time.
From lancer@yabbs Sun Jan 24 01:45:41 1993
From: lancer@yabbs
To: reaper@yabbs
Subject: re: UNIX session intercepting..
Date: Sun Jan 24 01:45:41 1993
Yeah, that article was pretty lame...
Most of that stuf was done the hard way... Easiest is just to look over
somebody's shoulder... *grin* Seriously, if you're going to go through
all that trouble you must be pretty desperate for an account.
I mean, don't get me wrong, it was interesting to see HOW the author got
tty spoofing to work, but I wouldn't bother trying it even if I DID want
an account. Give me a nice reality hack any day...
If you've got root, you can do anything. It is VERY possible to intercept
packets off the LAN and get any info you want. But if you've got root,
why do you really WANT all that info? My experience has been that once
someone gets root, they pretty much give up hacking out accounts...
god, I sound like such a pessimist... *grin*
.s.
From reaper@yabbs Sun Jan 24 13:24:47 1993
From: reaper@yabbs
To: lancer@yabbs
Subject: re: UNIX session intercepting..
Date: Sun Jan 24 13:24:47 1993
In message re: UNIX session intercepting.., lancer said:
> Most of that stuf was done the hard way... Easiest is just to look over
> somebody's shoulder... *grin* Seriously, if you're going to go through
> all that trouble you must be pretty desperate for an account.
I *have* an account; I just thought I'd let you know about it, too :)
- sooner or later you'll dance with the reaper
ÿ
From sand@yabbs Wed Feb 3 17:43:01 1993
From: sand@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: bsd386 & security.
Date: Wed Feb 3 17:43:01 1993
or you could always unshadow it with a simple program;)
From achtung@yabbs Sun Feb 7 14:36:54 1993
From: achtung@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: processes
Date: Sun Feb 7 14:36:54 1993
I wish I had the root psswd, but unfortunately don't.
is there any possible way to kill other users' processes without it?
I'm talking about an apollo system on Domain/OS, running BSD4.3.
damn lusers don't exit from their processes properly...
-AChT
From zeus@yabbs Sun Feb 7 18:23:50 1993
From: zeus@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: processes
Date: Sun Feb 7 18:23:50 1993
Well, on the workstations at CMU we have a mortis program that kills
all unattended processes and cleans up the tmp directories. Very useful
(unfortunately, it only runs from the console, so it can't be used on the
UNIX servers...)
From htoaster@yabbs Sun Feb 7 23:24:52 1993
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: zeus@yabbs
Subject: re: processes
Date: Sun Feb 7 23:24:52 1993
Yeah, and there isn't like anything like that at other schools (here mortis
is a program that is setuid root, so it can do that easily). You might try
talking to sysadmins at your site about stuff like that, or just finding
other machines to use (can be hard at some schools).
htoaster
ÿ
From vmax!@yabbs Mon Feb 8 11:20:03 1993
From: vmax!@yabbs
To: zeus@yabbs
Subject: re: processes
Date: Mon Feb 8 11:20:03 1993
In message re: processes, zeus said:
> (unfortunately, it only runs from the console, so it can't be used on the
> UNIX servers...)
On the Unix servers, there is a program called reaper that does this... It
mainly watches idle ttys before doing anything though.
why is it that some normal processes like shells can take up full cpu time
on BSD systems waiting for input? Some sort of race condition? I
freqenltly see my shells running @ 99% CPU time for hours when I log in
Syon
ÿ
From buddha@yabbs Thu Feb 11 07:18:13 1993
From: buddha@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: processes
Date: Thu Feb 11 07:18:13 1993
I was wondering if any of you could help me-- I'm trying to do binary file
transfers over a 7-bit line. I can't get sz or xmodem to work... They just
um, don't work. Kermit works OK for text but I can't get it to do binary.
Any ideas? When I try to use sz, it sends the first bit, so my system pops
up the blue box and gets ready to recieve, then nothing. Xmodem just does
nothing, it says to get ready for a recieve but doesn't send anything. It
just stops. I was wondering if I have to set the line the I'm calling in
on, like the -l /dev/whatever for kermit... ANYONE?
-Boo
From htoaster@yabbs Thu Feb 11 09:27:54 1993
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: buddha@yabbs
Subject: re: processes
Date: Thu Feb 11 09:27:54 1993
zmodem and xmodem won't work over 7-bit lines (they were designed for 8 bit
connections), so you are going to be stuck with kermit. It sounds like you
are using telix, which I think has a setting for binary or ascii kermit
transfers in one of the menus. On the kermit that you are sending from you
will have to enter a command like "set file type binary" to send a binary
file.
htoaster
ÿ
From buddha@yabbs Sat Feb 13 13:50:00 1993
From: buddha@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: processes
Date: Sat Feb 13 13:50:00 1993
Yeah, I found out that the computer here wieventually adjust to an 8-bit
line if I call and wade through a scrambled login. I can do transfers
fine, as long as I use kermit. Everything else fucks up after a couple k.
Zmodem goes OK for 3k then it gives me a "Long (something)" error. I can't
remember. Not block, but smaller. I dunno. That's if I don't set it for
ASCII translation (from the Unix to DOS format). If I DO set it for ASCII
translate, it goes balmy at about 19 or 20 k, regardless of the file. Any
ideas?
-Boo
From htoaster@yabbs Sun Feb 14 01:42:17 1993
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: buddha@yabbs
Subject: re: processes
Date: Sun Feb 14 01:42:17 1993
Have you tried using sz -e? The -e escapes a few control characters. Also,
if you are dialing into an annex (has a prompt that says "annex: ") try
typing:
stty tesc undef
stty attn undef
stty bchar 8 parity none
The first two disable control characters for escaping telnet (you can always
use break (control-end on telix) instead). The last sets your line to n81,
instead of e71 (if that is the default).
htoaster
ÿ
From ziplock@yabbs Sun Feb 14 22:59:05 1993
From: ziplock@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: bsd386 & security.
Date: Sun Feb 14 22:59:05 1993
In message re: bsd386 & security., htoaster said:
> You can't. For one thing, anon ftp is chrooted to another directory, so you
> can't even get to the real "/etc" directory, just the /etc off of the ftp
> tree. For another thing, the whole point of shadowing is too make it so
> that you can't get to the shadow file without user 0 (root) privs.
Plus I found out that under 386bsd all requests for /etc/pwd.db are
piped to console as an error message. Since I have an ftp site
running on my system, I put up the wuarchive ftpd and with the error
message date/time and the wuarchive xferstats log I determined the
user account and system that the request came from.ÿ
From ziplock@yabbs Sun Feb 14 23:00:44 1993
From: ziplock@yabbs
To: achtung@yabbs
Subject: re: processes
Date: Sun Feb 14 23:00:44 1993
In message processes, achtung said:
> is there any possible way to kill other users' processes without it?
> I'm talking about an apollo system on Domain/OS, running BSD4.3.
> damn lusers don't exit from their processes properly...
turn off the machine.ÿ
From ziplock@yabbs Sun Feb 14 23:02:33 1993
From: ziplock@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: processes
Date: Sun Feb 14 23:02:33 1993
In message re: processes, htoaster said:
> connections), so you are going to be stuck with kermit.
you should look into PPP or SLIP so you can route IP packets over 7-bit
connections and just ftp to your machine.ÿ
From ziplock@yabbs Sun Feb 14 23:03:36 1993
From: ziplock@yabbs
To: buddha@yabbs
Subject: re: processes
Date: Sun Feb 14 23:03:36 1993
In message re: processes, buddha said:
> Yeah, I found out that the computer here wieventually adjust to an 8-bit
> line if I call and wade through a scrambled login. I can do transfers
> fine, as long as I use kermit. Everything else fucks up after a couple k.
> Zmodem goes OK for 3k then it gives me a "Long (something)" error. I can't
> remember. Not block, but smaller. I dunno. That's if I don't set it for
> ASCII translation (from the Unix to DOS format). If I DO set it for ASCII
> translate, it goes balmy at about 19 or 20 k, regardless of the file. Any
> ideas?
Try reducing the checksum bit size.ÿ
From buddha@yabbs Mon Feb 15 12:43:21 1993
From: buddha@yabbs
To: ziplock@yabbs
Subject: re: processes
Date: Mon Feb 15 12:43:21 1993
re: PPP or SLIP!?! What are those... Could you go into a bit more detail?
-Boo
From ziplock@yabbs Tue Feb 16 18:42:00 1993
From: ziplock@yabbs
To: buddha@yabbs
Subject: re: processes
Date: Tue Feb 16 18:42:00 1993
In message re: processes, buddha said:
> re: PPP or SLIP!?! What are those... Could you go into a bit more detail?
those are protocols for routing IP packets over serial lines (direct or
modem). check /pub/ppp on merit.edu and you will find some stuff there (DOS
and Mac) that is PD. NCSA Telnet/PPP and KA9Q/SLFP are both IP-ready. You
need a host that will support the protocol, but finding SLIP hosts is not
too tough. Then you can have multiple telnet sessions as well as ftp.
MacPPP runs in conjunction with MacTCP so you can run any MacTCP apps, like
Fetch or Telnet or VersaTerm (with telnet tools).ÿ
From skitch@yabbs Sat Feb 20 15:23:27 1993
From: skitch@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Backspace on Andrew.
Date: Sat Feb 20 15:23:27 1993
For any Andrew (CMU) users out there: I figured out how to make the
backspace (and delete key) work while using your Andrew account:
stty=dec
l8r.
5/<|+([-]ÿ
From skippy@yabbs Tue Feb 23 01:31:50 1993
From: skippy@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: C help!!
Date: Tue Feb 23 01:31:50 1993
anybody with C expeirence.....
i need to take a command line arg... such as argv[3] and pass it to
the library bsearch... but i need to pass it as an pointer to int....
can anybody help me on how to cast argv[3] into a pointer to int???
everything i do fails!
help!!!
--skip (should know this stuff.....but i'm stuck!!!)
ÿ
From vmax!@yabbs Tue Feb 23 13:42:38 1993
From: vmax!@yabbs
To: skippy@yabbs
Subject: ]
Date: Tue Feb 23 13:42:38 1993
argv[3] is a string, so conmvert it to an int with atoi. something like
this:
int a;
a=atoi(argv[3])
;
foo(&a)
;
or mebbe not. i can't really remember./ÿ
From spambo@yabbs Sun Feb 28 01:10:39 1993
From: spambo@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Bugs in the new SunOS
Date: Sun Feb 28 01:10:39 1993
I know the old SunOS was plagued with multiple bugs. However, my local
internet site has upgraded to the newest SunOS which suppossedly has all
bugs fixed. I was wondering... does anybody know of any bugs in the new
SunOS?
From riben@yabbs Sun Feb 28 12:53:00 1993
From: riben@yabbs
To: spambo@yabbs
Subject: re: Bugs in the new SunOS
Date: Sun Feb 28 12:53:00 1993
Hey Spambo, "all bugs fixed" means "no news ones found yet." It's the
height of lamerdom to stand in front of a brand new system, wanting for
all the world to feel the inside curves and software bends of the system,
then turn to someone next to you and plead "please get me in!"
Figure out the bugs yourself.
One hint: one bug almost common to all Unix platforms is the c-shell.
From ziplock@yabbs Tue Mar 2 13:04:44 1993
From: ziplock@yabbs
To: spambo@yabbs
Subject: re: Bugs in the new SunOS
Date: Tue Mar 2 13:04:44 1993
In message Bugs in the new SunOS, spambo said:
> I know the old SunOS was plagued with multiple bugs. However, my local
> internet site has upgraded to the newest SunOS which suppossedly has all
> bugs fixed. I was wondering... does anybody know of any bugs in the new
> SunOS?
You mean 4.1.3 or Solaris 2.0 ? There are four minor patches you install on
4.1.3 but no real gaping security holes that I know of. I don't think any
of them are kernel-level patches.
ÿ
From vmax!@yabbs Fri Apr 2 22:37:35 1993
From: vmax!@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: garbage collecting malloc
Date: Fri Apr 2 22:37:35 1993
Could anyone tell me how garbage collecting mallocs work? I can't think
how they would work.
-Vmax!
ÿ
From jasonlee@yabbs Wed Apr 7 13:18:52 1993
From: jasonlee@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: IRIX
Date: Wed Apr 7 13:18:52 1993
Does anyone know of any interesting IRIX bugs? I've got a system here
that seems pretty tight, but I'm wondering if there are any major faults
in the system. Also, is it possible for a system to disable mail that is
sent by telnetting to port 25? I tried to send mail to my friend on the
IRIX by going to port 25, but the message never reached him. Isn't that
how normal mail gets sent? If they've disabled that, how does the rest of
the mail get through?
JasonLee
From hbeast@yabbs Fri Apr 9 07:20:44 1993
From: hbeast@yabbs
To: jasonlee@yabbs
Subject: re: IRIX
Date: Fri Apr 9 07:20:44 1993
Are you absolutely sure about the commands you gave? Sounds stupid but
that's the way it goes.. unless they had a setup problem, but that's
probably not the case.
Just a sec. What version of IRIX is that? (this doesn't have much to do
with the mail problem)
hbeasT
ÿ
From jasonlee@yabbs Mon Apr 12 16:54:34 1993
From: jasonlee@yabbs
To: hbeast@yabbs
Subject: re: IRIX
Date: Mon Apr 12 16:54:34 1993
I think it's version 4.0.4. I don't think I screwed up the commands,
either, becuase I've done quite a lot of mail that way. I think they
disabled it because some people were abusing the system and sending
fakemail, etc. (I wonder who it could have been?).
Do you know of any neat stuff to do to, I mean in Irix?
JasonLee
From cse@yabbs Tue Apr 13 18:04:08 1993
From: cse@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: IP's and me...
Date: Tue Apr 13 18:04:08 1993
I have a question.. I go to a school that uses PC's a 'workstations' on a
network. Each PC can also login to the main UNIX beast. I have looked
around, and each c: drive has a telnet dir, and in it a dos ftp and telnet
program. Each pc has its own IP address, in a hidden config file. The
school does not allow IRC (doesnt have it ), so can I run dos based IRC
software on a pc and get to IRC that way? Also , can I remotelogin to
nother pc, or transfer data between it? Just curious... he he
Chainsaw Enema
cse@santafe.edu
From faisal@yabbs Wed Apr 14 07:26:32 1993
From: faisal@yabbs
To: cse@yabbs
Subject: re: IP's and me...
Date: Wed Apr 14 07:26:32 1993
you should be able to run irc software on the pc if you can find it
you can't remote login to a pc that i know of because the pc doesn't
support multiple processes (unless they're running os/2 in which case
they'd have to be running a telnetd but yeah you could just telnet to
it) (oh, i realize that i'm assuming all these machines are running dos
because if they weren't this would be a trivial discussion) and the
telnetd and whatever you tried to do at that end are two seperate
processes. as for transferring data, you could run an ftpd on one machine
and just ftp to that machine from another machine. but that would mean
that the machine you ftp wouldn't be able to do anything else.
From johndeer@yabbs Wed Apr 14 09:45:44 1993
From: johndeer@yabbs
To: cse@yabbs
Subject: re: IP's and me...
Date: Wed Apr 14 09:45:44 1993
My machine is setup the same way basically.. My own machine has an IP
address, and I've got the tcp/ip software by FTP software Inc. It comes
with a lot of program for DOS, like finger, telnet, ftp, etc.. I also
have the newer version (2.11) which include the Windows versions. Right
now I'm in windows as I'm telnetting to phred writing this...
john Deere
From hbeast@yabbs Wed Apr 14 10:42:57 1993
From: hbeast@yabbs
To: jasonlee@yabbs
Subject: re: IRIX
Date: Wed Apr 14 10:42:57 1993
In message re: IRIX, jasonlee said:
> I think it's version 4.0.4. I don't think I screwed up the commands,
> either, becuase I've done quite a lot of mail that way. I think they
> disabled it because some people were abusing the system and sending
> fakemail, etc. (I wonder who it could have been?).
Still they would want to get legititmate mail. Try to fake a Usenet post or
something and see how that works out.
> Do you know of any neat stuff to do to, I mean in Irix?
If it's v4 then no, nothing IRIX specific.
hbeasT
ÿ
From cse@yabbs Wed Apr 14 13:56:12 1993
From: cse@yabbs
To: faisal@yabbs
Subject: re: IP's and me...
Date: Wed Apr 14 13:56:12 1993
ahhh.. well I got some stuph off of wuarchive, and tried to run it, but it
said it couldnt BOOTPd (or something)... say what is the difference
between telnet and telnetd and ftp and ftpd ( I know the difference
between telnet and ftp )... yes it is a dos machine, by the way...
thanks for the info...
CSE
From cse@yabbs Wed Apr 14 13:58:26 1993
From: cse@yabbs
To: johndeer@yabbs
Subject: re: IP's and me...
Date: Wed Apr 14 13:58:26 1993
Does everythingI do go through the main UNIX machine, or is it an
independent IP site... it has an IP address... where can I get some of
that software.. I have ftp and telnet installed on every drive, just to
talk to the sequent (UNIX) beast I assume... but I can call out and pull
stuph right t to the HD using ftp... better than exceding my 2M UNIX
limit...
CSE
From johndeer@yabbs Thu Apr 15 15:09:20 1993
From: johndeer@yabbs
To: cse@yabbs
Subject: re: IP's and me...
Date: Thu Apr 15 15:09:20 1993
my FTP and Telnet dos clients connect to my local internet server (same
as my ip address, except ends in 1)...
and from there, it takes care of it.. any questions, call up FTP Software
Inc, i can get addresss if you want... I have the manuals too.. it does
a good job.. as for mail, you'd just use it to telnet to your mail server,
so it doesn't really help that much..
johjN Deere
From faisal@yabbs Fri Apr 16 02:10:37 1993
From: faisal@yabbs
To: cse@yabbs
Subject: d
Date: Fri Apr 16 02:10:37 1993
telnetd and ftpd are daemons that run on a machine allowing people to
telnet in or ftp in to the machine
From cse@yabbs Fri Apr 16 13:04:39 1993
From: cse@yabbs
To: johndeer@yabbs
Subject: re: IP's and me...
Date: Fri Apr 16 13:04:39 1993
thanks... I'll try to spend a little more time with it whan I can
( I have some coding to do now)
Chainsaw Enema
From cse@yabbs Fri Apr 16 13:05:08 1993
From: cse@yabbs
To: faisal@yabbs
Subject: re: d
Date: Fri Apr 16 13:05:08 1993
oh... that makes sense... thanx
cse/
From wonko@yabbs Wed Apr 21 15:53:08 1993
From: wonko@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: unix account
Date: Wed Apr 21 15:53:08 1993
Hello all,
I am looking for a UNIX account somewhere were i can have shell
access to play with that i can telnet to anywhere and run stuff. it would
be nice to have a dialup too, but i can deal with not having one.
thank you for your help.
Wonko the Sane
ÿ
From greywolf@yabbs Thu Apr 22 02:29:58 1993
From: greywolf@yabbs
To: wonko@yabbs
Subject: you/unix accounts
Date: Thu Apr 22 02:29:58 1993
Wonko the sane, haven't I heard of youi somewhere? where you usually call
(areacode?) and as for unix accounts, well, i'm all stuck up, unless you
want to deal with paper work then you can call nyx.cs.du.edu
130.253.192.68 logon as new or guest or something (bbs maybe, you'll
figure it out) and if you just want to hack a few out, well, I ogt some
accounts that are easily hackble that I can post/mail to you
GREY WOLF
From tom@yabbs Thu Apr 22 08:12:08 1993
From: tom@yabbs
To: greywolf@yabbs
Subject: re: you/unix accounts
Date: Thu Apr 22 08:12:08 1993
hey wonko, grey wolf, are you guys in 301/202/703? i'm usually frizzle
fry, a name too long for this place...
From mohawk@yabbs Thu Apr 22 10:22:12 1993
From: mohawk@yabbs
To: tom@yabbs
Subject: re: you/unix accounts
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:22:12 1993
wonko's from 215.
From htoaster@yabbs Thu Apr 22 11:05:18 1993
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: wonko@yabbs
Subject: re: unix account
Date: Thu Apr 22 11:05:18 1993
In message unix account, wonko said:
> Hello all,
> I am looking for a UNIX account somewhere were i can have shell
> access to play with that i can telnet to anywhere and run stuff. it would
> be nice to have a dialup too, but i can deal with not having one.
someone said that you were in 215. If so there is always netaxs.com,
which has a dialup and can be reached by the internet (sorry, don't know
the dialup offhand)...
htoaster
ÿ
From proteus@yabbs Thu Apr 22 22:54:58 1993
From: proteus@yabbs
To: wonko@yabbs
Subject: re: unix account
Date: Thu Apr 22 22:54:58 1993
Well, hey there. Hmm, a unix shell and telnet? Gee, you may be asking
a bit much..well anyway, freenets sometimes have telnet access, here's a
big one:
Cleveland Freenet
hela.ins.cwru.edu
freenet-in-a.cwru.edu
freenet-in-b.cwru.edu
freenet-in-c.cwru.edu
129.22.8.38
Never tried it out, I use a differnt one. I hear it's big tho. I found
this address somewhere for the first public unix, dunno if it's still
right:
M-Net
hermes.merit.edu
m-net.ann-arbor.mi.us
35.1.48.159
35.1.48.160
35.1.48.165
35.1.48.166
35.1.48.149
I think you log in with um-m-net. I really got to get more time to use my
addresses..
---proteus
From johndeer@yabbs Fri Apr 23 12:57:54 1993
From: johndeer@yabbs
To: tom@yabbs
Subject: re: unix account
Date: Fri Apr 23 12:57:54 1993
frizzle fry?
i know you.... don't you recognize john Deere...
?
john Deere
From hbeast@yabbs Sat Apr 24 11:28:24 1993
From: hbeast@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: input scripter
Date: Sat Apr 24 11:28:24 1993
does anyone know of a program that captures user's input? This might be
compared to script(1), only it only gets what the user types and not what he
sees. I've looked at the 'regular' Unix commands and couldn't find
anything, but then again, I just browsed.
ÿ
From htoaster@yabbs Sat Apr 24 15:39:29 1993
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: hbeast@yabbs
Subject: re: input scripter
Date: Sat Apr 24 15:39:29 1993
Most shells allow something like that. On the cshell you would use $<,
so do something like:
#!/bin/csh
i=$<
echo $i
On sh you would use read...check out the man pages for more info on both.
htoaster
ÿ
From tom@yabbs Sun Apr 25 19:54:01 1993
From: tom@yabbs
To: johndeer@yabbs
Subject: re: unix account
Date: Sun Apr 25 19:54:01 1993
> frizzle fry?
>
>
> i know you.... don't you recognize john Deere...
hehe yeah...i just wasn't thinking when i wrote that post...what's with
Think Man/Maxan, he's always trying to get on your case for something... i
haven't called too many boards lately, getting kinda sick of the warez
kiddie stuff, as i'm sure you understand...
From johndeer@yabbs Tue Apr 27 12:29:44 1993
From: johndeer@yabbs
To: tom@yabbs
Subject: re: unix account
Date: Tue Apr 27 12:29:44 1993
yeah man..
that guys' on my case a lot.. because I bust on the wareZZ scene so much
he gets mad.. i think he gets even madder when my points are valid and
correct..
you'll notice he's laid off a little, I think it's because he realizes I'm
right..
john Deere
From surgat@yabbs Tue Apr 27 15:39:10 1993
From: surgat@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Unix source
Date: Tue Apr 27 15:39:10 1993
ANyone know of a good site that has alot of unix source code on it?
I could also use a copy of the fsp program, the one that runs the fsp not
the client...any ideas?
Latez...
From wonko@yabbs Wed Apr 28 18:05:29 1993
From: wonko@yabbs
To: greywolf@yabbs
Subject: re: you/unix accounts
Date: Wed Apr 28 18:05:29 1993
well let's see. my local area is 215 but i call Chiba City Blues
in VA (804). yep, it is Wonko the Sane though. if i get desperate
enough
i will go with nyx.
Wonko the Sane/SFTe
blh115@psuvm.psu.edu
send anything you find to the psu email address.
ÿ
From wonko@yabbs Wed Apr 28 18:11:12 1993
From: wonko@yabbs
To: johndeer@yabbs
Subject: re: unix account
Date: Wed Apr 28 18:11:12 1993
In message re: unix account, johndeer said:
> yeah man..
>
> that guys' on my case a lot.. because I bust on the wareZZ scene so much
> he gets mad.. i think he gets even madder when my points are valid and
> correct..
>
> you'll notice he's laid off a little, I think it's because he realizes I'm
> right..
>
> john Deere
i know a guy like that. funny thing is he usually picks out something i
say and tries to cut it apart. his problem is he assumes quite a lot
and never has his fact straight. i point this out, ask him why he said
that and he finds something else to try to insult me with. the more
right i am, the madder he gets. he's a fun guy.. :)
-wonko
ÿ
From tom@yabbs Wed Apr 28 19:35:31 1993
From: tom@yabbs
To: wonko@yabbs
Subject: re: unix account
Date: Wed Apr 28 19:35:31 1993
yeah sounds just liek think man... he's got an attitude from hell, and
acts like his boards the best in the area. it's not bad...but definitely
not the best. he's the kind of person that you ask him a question and if
you don't know the answer already then he won't tell you...hmmm...takes
the word 'elite' a bit too literally.
From maxan@yabbs Wed Apr 28 19:46:28 1993
From: maxan@yabbs
To: tom@yabbs
Subject: re: unix account
Date: Wed Apr 28 19:46:28 1993
> hehe yeah...i just wasn't thinking when i wrote that post...what's
> with Think Man/Maxan, he's always trying to get on your case for
> something... i haven't called too many boards lately, getting
> kinda sick of the warez kiddie stuff, as i'm sure y
> understand...
Of course, Frizzle Fry. You didn't think I would get here, eh?
<g> Well, I'm haven't screwed around with ftp and telnet for a while now.
Last time I tried anytying, it was with wuarchive.wustl.edu trying to get
some fractal programs off the mirros.
Maxan
From maxan@yabbs Wed Apr 28 19:48:18 1993
From: maxan@yabbs
To: johndeer@yabbs
Subject: re: unix account
Date: Wed Apr 28 19:48:18 1993
>
> that guys' on my case a lot.. because I bust on the wareZZ scene
> so much he gets mad.. i think he gets even madder when my points
> are valid and correct..
>
>
> you'll notice he's laid off a little, I think it's because he
> realizes I'm right..
I think not, Dear. I just get sick of you trying to trash my baes.
If you took it to e-mail, fine... I wouldn't have cared less. Your posts
are not more valid or more correct than mine so <g>
Maxan
From maxan@yabbs Wed Apr 28 19:50:20 1993
From: maxan@yabbs
To: tom@yabbs
Subject: re: unix account
Date: Wed Apr 28 19:50:20 1993
> yeah sounds just liek think man... he's got an attitude from hell,
> and acts like his boards the best in the area. it's not bad...but
> definitely not the best. he's the kind of person that you ask him
> a question and if you don't know the answer already then he won't
> tell you...hmmm...takes the
Attitude from hell is me. Best board in the area, no. Maybe on the
top 10% but not the best. I just expect more from my user. If you can't
take the pressure, there's always some other board. Isn't that right,
Deere?
Maxan
From mephisto@yabbs Thu Apr 29 10:27:46 1993
From: mephisto@yabbs
To: tom@yabbs
Subject: re: unix account
Date: Thu Apr 29 10:27:46 1993
There's at least 1 guy like that per area code... I dunno how many users
from 313 are on here... but the name "Matt Edwards" comes to mind...
Mephistopheles
From nstriker@yabbs Thu Apr 29 20:46:21 1993
From: nstriker@yabbs
To: maxan@yabbs
Subject: re: your stupidity
Date: Thu Apr 29 20:46:21 1993
Actually Maxan, Internet is the best place for wares. Boards
suck, mainly because of the sysops who think they are god. I'm
surprised to even see you have an account, no ansi can go through the net.
And thats the eleet thing for boards, krad ansi. blah. I'm bitching
for no reasons.
you probably use digex. shrug.
From tom@yabbs Thu Apr 29 22:19:35 1993
From: tom@yabbs
To: maxan@yabbs
Subject: re: unix account
Date: Thu Apr 29 22:19:35 1993
oh my god you're following me!!! hehe...whatever. actually i'm surprised you
put up with all the warez stuff. you seem to be more into the networking and
p/h end of things. nice to see ya here.
/s
damn...ÿ
From surgat@yabbs Fri Apr 30 09:34:39 1993
From: surgat@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: accounts
Date: Fri Apr 30 09:34:39 1993
Anyone one have any ideas on where to <easily> get a free account
on the net anymore? The one that I had just died for no apparent reason
so now i'm just sitting here basically with no account! Help! hehe
Also I was wondering if anyone has try'n carding their way onto
the Dephni (or however its spelled) yet?
Quick carding note...Prodigy has it ALL! so go get it!
Latez...
Surgat
From mephisto@yabbs Fri Apr 30 10:50:50 1993
From: mephisto@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: FSP
Date: Fri Apr 30 10:50:50 1993
From merc@yabbs Fri Apr 30 15:24:34 1993
From: merc@yabbs
To: uufnord@yabbs
Subject: re: Also...
Date: Fri Apr 30 15:24:34 1993
A good method of gathering accounts is to patch telnet(1) to log outgoing
connections to other hosts..etc..
Not a very difficult patch actually..
Merc
From mephisto@yabbs Tue May 4 09:39:02 1993
From: mephisto@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: FSP
Date: Tue May 4 09:39:02 1993
How do I get FSP to compile with AIX on a RS/6000?
Mephistopheles
From johndeer@yabbs Tue May 4 13:56:16 1993
From: johndeer@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: hey maxan
Date: Tue May 4 13:56:16 1993
I wouldn't say that I'm a rebel-rowser.. in my opinion, i'm probably one
of the greatest contributors to your board, as I don't rant and rave about
the latest WareZZZ but rather participate (initiate, actually) intelligent
discussion.. but then your 'elite' users go back to talking about warez..
you 'll remember on your board, i posted a tirade about how no one ever
goes from p/h to warezz, it's always the other way around, right? well ,
after I posted that message, there were like 2 "yeah I agree" or 'no i
don't agree' messages, and then back to the wareZZZ talks...
that's wwhat's irritating..
john Deere
From artimage@yabbs Tue May 4 15:51:19 1993
From: artimage@yabbs
To: johndeer@yabbs
Subject: re: hey maxan
Date: Tue May 4 15:51:19 1993
What is maxan's boards #. I would like to see it and him for myself.
Artimage.-
From tom@yabbs Tue May 4 21:45:11 1993
From: tom@yabbs
To: artimage@yabbs
Subject: re: hey maxan
Date: Tue May 4 21:45:11 1993
In message re: hey maxan, artimage said:
> What is maxan's boards #. I would like to see it and him for myself.
well in the great spirit of the elite, it's "invite only"...and being the
nice guy that i am i won't post it. but it's in the 301 AC, and if you email
him maybe you'll get "invited" :)
ÿ
From nstriker@yabbs Wed May 5 11:51:16 1993
From: nstriker@yabbs
To: tom@yabbs
Subject: re: hey maxan
Date: Wed May 5 11:51:16 1993
Hmm. Maxan hasn't come on in awile. Guess he lost his net access.
That, or finally figured out that ansi color doesn't go through the net ;>
From johndeer@yabbs Wed May 5 16:11:14 1993
From: johndeer@yabbs
To: artimage@yabbs
Subject: re: hey maxan
Date: Wed May 5 16:11:14 1993
artimage:
e-mail me your address and i'll e-mail you his inet addresss...
tns:
yeah, you're right no ansi means no calling.. :)
john Deere
From swami@yabbs Thu May 6 11:33:08 1993
From: swami@yabbs
To: johndeer@yabbs
Subject: re: hey maxan
Date: Thu May 6 11:33:08 1993
Not trying to defend maxan's board, since I'm not familiar
with it, but there's nothing wrong with making a board
invite only. The quality of users these days warrants it
sometimes. Then again, if it's a k00l warez board....
swami
From johndeer@yabbs Thu May 6 13:52:49 1993
From: johndeer@yabbs
To: swami@yabbs
Subject: re: hey maxan
Date: Thu May 6 13:52:49 1993
that's just it Swami..
it's one of those kewl War3ZZ boardsz.. tha's why I dislike the
hierarchy...
john Deere
From tom@yabbs Thu May 6 23:54:06 1993
From: tom@yabbs
To: johndeer@yabbs
Subject: re: hey maxan
Date: Thu May 6 23:54:06 1993
damn come on he's not that bad.....hehe.. he has that net with those
oh-so-active subs about LANs, WANs, and phone systems...that get maybe one
post every coupla weeks...
ÿ
From holden@yabbs Sun May 9 16:09:58 1993
From: holden@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: eliteness
Date: Sun May 9 16:09:58 1993
I have been disturbed by warez/c0des discussion and have yet to find a
decent board like this one on the Inet. Where are other boards like this?
I'm interested in hardcore unix discussions.. not this nonsense warez
crap. holes, crackers, unix source, i have some and I want more. blah.
Someone who has a notion as to what I'm writing about reply...
Holden.
From maxan@yabbs Sun May 9 17:52:50 1993
From: maxan@yabbs
To: nstriker@yabbs
Subject: re:your stupidity?
Date: Sun May 9 17:52:50 1993
An account on what? Nightstriker... if I remember correctly, you were
on Citidel of Darkness a c ouple years back.
From maxan@yabbs Sun May 9 17:53:53 1993
From: maxan@yabbs
To: tom@yabbs
Subject: re: unix account
Date: Sun May 9 17:53:53 1993
I put up with all the warez crap? Yeah.. of course I do. Too bad I
don't have much time for them and I need to expand to p/h junk.
From maxan@yabbs Sun May 9 17:58:42 1993
From: maxan@yabbs
To: nstriker@yabbs
Subject: re: hey maxan
Date: Sun May 9 17:58:42 1993
What's with the ansi color, Nstriker? I don't play with ansi color
very much. As for inet access, I have it until I get outa high school
(high school provides me with a vax account... and the school has direct
inet connection) The school's modems are 2400, so I use some screwed up
account to get better inet connection and higher modem connection.
From maxan@yabbs Sun May 9 18:01:02 1993
From: maxan@yabbs
To: johndeer@yabbs
Subject: re: hey maxan
Date: Sun May 9 18:01:02 1993
Yeah... the hierarchy is fucked. Phreak over locals, dist over local,
connections over actual person... and the people on top of the hierarchy
are fucked. Well, that's wareZZZ talk for ya.
From maxan@yabbs Sun May 9 18:01:55 1993
From: maxan@yabbs
To: tom@yabbs
Subject: re: hey maxan
Date: Sun May 9 18:01:55 1993
You remind me of Starman where he goes around saying "your board
sucks". But that's only my thoughts...
From johndeer@yabbs Mon May 10 10:23:23 1993
From: johndeer@yabbs
To: maxan@yabbs
Subject: energizer bunny....
Date: Mon May 10 10:23:23 1993
well maxan,
to tell you the truth, you could close out all warezz dudez and run a good
p/h board. i think you've got good equipment, assuming you have a good
warez board setup, then that's more than good enough for an h/p board..
two of the local good h/p boards are going down in june, and you could
fill the void if you want..
john Deere
From tom@yabbs Mon May 10 22:27:09 1993
From: tom@yabbs
To: maxan@yabbs
Subject: re: hey maxan
Date: Mon May 10 22:27:09 1993
In message re: hey maxan, maxan said:
> connections over actual person... and the people on top of the hierarchy
> are fucked. Well, that's wareZZZ talk for ya.
well wait a sec...it seems to me like the hidden wall is just doing the same
thing... being so mega-elite and all, 'invite-only'... if you think it's
wrong too then why do you do it? not just you, a lot of people i've talked
to seem to think the same way but no one does anything about it... i'm
certainly not in a position to but you run a pretty big board, at least as
far as the md/va/dc area is concerned.
ÿ
From tom@yabbs Mon May 10 22:29:08 1993
From: tom@yabbs
To: maxan@yabbs
Subject: re: hey maxan
Date: Mon May 10 22:29:08 1993
> You remind me of Starman where he goes around saying "your
> board sucks". But that's only my thoughts...
nah i think your boards good as far as other warez boards go... when i was
into all that i certainly couldn't keep up with the other uploads you got.
not that that's saying much. i'm just confused cause you seem to not be the
warez type. i dunno.
ÿ
From ziplock@yabbs Tue May 11 20:58:19 1993
From: ziplock@yabbs
To: holden@yabbs
Subject: re: eliteness
Date: Tue May 11 20:58:19 1993
In message eliteness, holden said:
> I have been disturbed by warez/c0des discussion and have yet to find a
> decent board like this one on the Inet. Where are other boards like this?
> I'm interested in hardcore unix discussions.. not this nonsense warez
> crap. holes, crackers, unix source, i have some and I want more. blah.
Sounds like what you really want is a moderated mailing list. So long as
you force everything to be legal, it shouldn't matter that people provide
legit email addresses. Then you can blow away any cracker/warez crap and
keep whatever you want.ÿ
From comrade@yabbs Sun Aug 15 01:06:25 1993
From: comrade@yabbs
To: johndeer@yabbs
Subject: re: energizer bunny....
Date: Sun Aug 15 01:06:25 1993
WAREZ SUCK
JOIN AWA
etext.archive.umich.edu /pub/Zines/AWA
for information (shameless plug)
From square@yabbs Thu Aug 19 21:44:56 1993
From: square@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: telnet
Date: Thu Aug 19 21:44:56 1993
Alright I am interested in patching a copy of telnet, so that it will
log the first 30 lines of any telnet session to a file. I am experienced
with Unix & C, but am just learning berkely sockets and have no idea how
telnet is structured, yes I know all about concurrent servers and client
server stuff.... anyway can anyone give me some helpful hints?
- SW
From galaxie@yabbs Wed Aug 25 18:32:44 1993
From: galaxie@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: DEC vxt 2000
Date: Wed Aug 25 18:32:44 1993
At work I just discovered a DEC vxt 2000. I do not think the thing has
been used in a year. I am a total newbie to X windows and the hardware
and software associated with, so pardon if this is a lame newbie question.
it says that it is currently set-up for read-only, is there
a way to change that? I messed around and could not find
a way to change that.
ÿ
From jderyck@yabbs Tue Aug 31 18:10:08 1993
From: jderyck@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Modem usage with UNIX
Date: Tue Aug 31 18:10:08 1993
Hi all!
I just purchased a US Robotics sportster 14400 Fax/Data
modem for our Sun network. I need a little help on a
couple of items.
1) I want to be able to access the modem in command mode
and be able to issue AT commands or dial out. From what
I understand tip is the beasty I'm after but it complains
that all ports are busy.
2) I would like to be able to control access to this modem,
either at the group or user level. Too many times I've
called when important deadlines need to be met and its busy
because someone is busy downloading there collection of
image files from alt.sex.all.things.great.and.small
If anyone could give me pointers or information I would
appreciate it. You can reply here or to my email address:
jderyck@engn.uwindsor.ca
Thanks!
From jderyck@yabbs Wed Sep 1 11:52:49 1993
From: jderyck@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: Modem usage with UNIX
Date: Wed Sep 1 11:52:49 1993
Thanks a lot. I'll give that a try.
I've gotten tip working using mknod to create a file. I noticed
that it is set user id so I'm not sure how chgrp will work, or if
thinks will be alright if I remove the suid.
John
From htoaster@yabbs Tue Sep 7 22:35:07 1993
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: skip@yabbs
Subject: re: Sun 4/110
Date: Tue Sep 7 22:35:07 1993
sounds like a good deal to me...don't know what that setup would cost new,
but a new sun classic is around $3300 with mono monitor and similar
memory/hd...
you'll probably want something more like 16 megs of ram though...
htoaster
From xenon@yabbs Tue Sep 14 11:46:58 1993
From: xenon@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: PD UNIX Systems
Date: Tue Sep 14 11:46:58 1993
I'm looking to run UNIX on my IBM and wondered what software was the
"best." I've looked at 386BSD, Linux, and NetBSD and read their info
files. It looks like Linux is the best bet. Any comments? I'm looking
for a system that will be connected to my local university via a SLIP
connection as well as offer incoming calls through the phone lines. I'll
probably be running some sort of BBS software, rn, and ftp. I'd like to
offer telnet, but since I want this an anonymous system, I doubt the
university would appove.
Right now, I'd be running a very limited system, probably a 386 with no
more than 8 megs and a couple hundred meg HD. Hopefully, I'd be able to
upgrade to a 486 and add a couple of phone lines.
Ok, that's about all the details I have. Any suggestions?
--> Xenon
From htoaster@yabbs Tue Sep 14 19:32:35 1993
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: xenon@yabbs
Subject: re: PD UNIX Systems
Date: Tue Sep 14 19:32:35 1993
i have had very good luck with netbsd 0.9...basically no crashes since I
have installed it, and stuff ports to it very easily (since it is
basically bsd 4.3 with some 4.4 stuff thrown in). Performance is about
the same as a Linux system.
I also like the BSD philosophy better, and like it because it isn't GPL
based...
6 months ago I might have advised linux, at this point I would advise
either NetBSD or FreeBSD. Best deal, try both and see which one you would
like better...
htoaster
From htoaster@yabbs Wed Sep 22 19:48:05 1993
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: comrade@yabbs
Subject: re: telnet
Date: Wed Sep 22 19:48:05 1993
packet sniffers work by watching traffic. you can get the software for
free (from a few ftp sites) and it usually works with just about any free
pc ether card (I have used it on 3c503's, smc elites, and 3c501's).
usually they are used for doing diagnostics, but some people use them to
grab accounts, since telnet sessions (and lots of stuff) is all plaintext.
it isn't usually that easy on a busy network though, unless you can watch
traffic between two computers easily (and they both have to be local,
unless you want to check every packet going between a router and a unix
machine, which could be quite a bit).
can't do much to make telnet safer unless you feel like hacking the
sources to make it encrypted and can setup up telnetd on your
host machine.
htoaster
From jderyck@yabbs Sun Sep 26 19:56:58 1993
From: jderyck@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: My bloody modem
Date: Sun Sep 26 19:56:58 1993
Hi, I've got a USR Robotics 14400 data/fax modem hooked up to
my sparcserver 390. It has no problems with accepting connections
and so on, but it seems to "lose" chunks of data. For instance
when I connect to it and cat a large file, blocks of data will disappear
for lines at a time.
The mnodem I connect with has no problems as where. I'm hoping someone
can tell me whats up with it!
Thanks!
From savoire@yabbs Mon Sep 27 14:55:59 1993
From: savoire@yabbs
To: jderyck@yabbs
Subject: re: My bloody modem
Date: Mon Sep 27 14:55:59 1993
Flow control problems. This will even happen if you are on a dumb
terminal that is hooked up via network. YOu are telling the computer to
spew out everything as fast as it can, and that speed is faster than the
modem. The long and short of it is that you cannot cat things to stdout
and expect long files to work fine. YOu have to 1)more them or 2) create
your own cat program that provides pauses between each chunk of data to
allow the buffer to clear. Something on the order of sending a 1k block,
then waiting for a second, and sending another block .Sound like Zmodem
yet? In fact, the most efficient way to do what you want to di is to
Zmodem it tothe terminal PC.
However, is there a program that is like my option 2, a sort of
self-pacing more? I'd be interested to know about it.
Happy trails
Savoire Faire is everywhere...
From vmax!@yabbs Tue Sep 28 09:45:51 1993
From: vmax!@yabbs
To: mindstrm@yabbs
Subject: re: Telnet Clients...
Date: Tue Sep 28 09:45:51 1993
use telnet under gnu emacs. M-x telnet.
From savoire@yabbs Tue Sep 28 14:48:17 1993
From: savoire@yabbs
To: jderyck@yabbs
Subject: re: My bloody modem
Date: Tue Sep 28 14:48:17 1993
On one of the servers here, all flow control is disableed, and that is
a sonofabitch. One solution that I have had varying success with is
instituting flow control within the protocol itself, by making it wait
between blocks. This slows things down, but at least you can make the
transfers go , and it still beats kermit (which is another terrible
animal) Thank goodness for PC Telnet and room connections.
Savoire Faire is everywhere...
From skippy@yabbs Tue Oct 5 01:09:18 1993
From: skippy@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: help with linux
Date: Tue Oct 5 01:09:18 1993
has anyone here installed linux??
i'm installing the SLS 1.03 release...
i got all the partitioning done, and mke2fs and mkswap...
then i went to do the actuall install, and as soon as it asked for
the a2 disk, it started puking random binary stuff at me... i rebuilt
teh a1 and a2 disks and it hasnt helped... any ideas??
--skip
From abort@yabbs Tue Oct 5 03:11:11 1993
From: abort@yabbs
To: tom@yabbs
Subject: area codes
Date: Tue Oct 5 03:11:11 1993
hey, Tom I'm from 302, DE rite next to 301 Md. I am relatively new, do
you know of any 2600 meetings or other H'P stuph around DE and MD?
From wonko@yabbs Tue Oct 5 19:09:11 1993
From: wonko@yabbs
To: skippy@yabbs
Subject: re: help with linux
Date: Tue Oct 5 19:09:11 1993
don't use SLS, look for the slackware installation.
much smoother than SLS.
do this, do an archie search for diskb1 and you will see where the
slackware version is. usually in a directory called slackware.
-wonko
ps -- hey all, i'm gonna get me an IBM RT!!! not a powerhouse, but it
will be running 4.3 BSD. so tell me how yabbs works with BSD htoaster.
From htoaster@yabbs Tue Oct 5 19:33:44 1993
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: wonko@yabbs
Subject: re: help with linux
Date: Tue Oct 5 19:33:44 1993
works fine, since i am running netbsd on this system. RT's are pretty
cool...I have one sitting next to me. Has 16 megs, 210 meg disk...and a
pretty nice 20" mono display (altough my other roommates sun3 has a much
nicer display).
my roommates collect to much junk...
alex
From ziplock@yabbs Wed Oct 6 21:03:15 1993
From: ziplock@yabbs
To: wonko@yabbs
Subject: re: RT
Date: Wed Oct 6 21:03:15 1993
Wes Craig's Netatalk AppleShare server software was written for
the RT (running AOS4) as its native platform. If you want kernel-level
AppleTalk on an RT, it's the way to go. Makes a very nice server.
Also has lots of little neat utilities that let you do things like
"spray" an AppleTalk node until it blows up (nice if you know your
Professor's node number and want to make sure the grading doesn't
get finished tonight...)
From htoaster@yabbs Wed Oct 6 22:59:32 1993
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: skippy@yabbs
Subject: re: RT
Date: Wed Oct 6 22:59:32 1993
if you are willing to be a bit dangerous (carefully) take the cover off of
the monitor. All of the IBM monitors that I have looked at have size
adjustments inside, clearly marked on one of the boards. Usually they are
made small for a reason though (like the borders really suck).
Also, you can get software over to it by hooking it up to a PC over a
serial cable and transferring stuff that way. Get kermit over first, and
then use that to get szrz over and you should be set. You should also be
able to read dos disks...look in /usr/ibm and see if there are dosdir,
dosread, and doswrite you should be able to read dos disks with those
commands. If not there may be another way, but we were never able to get
tar files to be read directly (using rawrite on a dos machine or just cp
on my netbsd machine).
finally, try getting netbsd to work. It is really cool...very stable, and
should be pretty familiar to you if you have an rt running bsd.
htoaster
From wonko@yabbs Thu Oct 7 12:22:02 1993
From: wonko@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: RT
Date: Thu Oct 7 12:22:02 1993
well, bad news. the RT got sold to someone else. so if anyone knows
of any other RTs out there for sale let me know. PLEASE!!!!!
as for doing the serial connection, what cards do you have in your rt?
probably isn't an rs-232, probably an rs-434 which has slightly
different pinout. if you need halp, i have a copy of the pinout
here and can help you make a cable for it.
-wonko
From skippy@yabbs Thu Oct 7 22:17:02 1993
From: skippy@yabbs
To: wonko@yabbs
Subject: re: RT
Date: Thu Oct 7 22:17:02 1993
yeah.... i just saw 7 RT's for sale in comp.sys.ibm.pc.rt just about
2 or 3 days ago... this guy has a bunch of and wants to get rid of
them... no monitors... but pretty cheap...
--skip
From wonko@yabbs Fri Oct 8 14:59:25 1993
From: wonko@yabbs
To: skippy@yabbs
Subject: re: RT
Date: Fri Oct 8 14:59:25 1993
this guy selling the 7 rts is the one i was dealing with.
but he sold the one i wanted. we are buying two of them
though. (not my, the sysadmin on fubar)
oh well. *sigh*
-wonko
From swami@yabbs Sun Oct 10 13:29:03 1993
From: swami@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: SLS vs. Slackware
Date: Sun Oct 10 13:29:03 1993
Has anyone tried both the SLS and slackware installations of Linux?
I'm running a very modified SLS Linux right now, and will be upgrading
to the new kernel, etc when my new HD comes in. Would appreciate any
opinions.
swami
From iceman@yabbs Mon Oct 11 17:05:27 1993
From: iceman@yabbs
To: skippy@yabbs
Subject: re: help with linux
Date: Mon Oct 11 17:05:27 1993
This happened to me as well. My set up was as follows:
Drive C: 250Mb <seperate drive>
Drive D: 105Mb
Whaen I went to install it on D:, it puked as you mentioned. I finally
installed it on my other system, on a 250Mb Drive C:, and it insatalled
without any problems.
I replaced a1 and a2 as well.
iceman
iceman@silicon.bison.mb.ca
From skippy@yabbs Wed Oct 13 01:35:42 1993
From: skippy@yabbs
To: iceman@yabbs
Subject: re: help with linux
Date: Wed Oct 13 01:35:42 1993
well..... i finally got mine to work....
problem was that i didnt set my swap partition to type 82.... once we
did that... worked great....
now if i can get one of teh comm progs (term, minicom, seyon) working..
then i could stay off of dos... :)
--skip (use linux)
From htoaster@yabbs Fri Oct 15 10:29:45 1993
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: binkley@yabbs
Subject: re: Hmmm...
Date: Fri Oct 15 10:29:45 1993
I switched to using less as my pager (instead of an internal one that I
wrote) because it has a lot of added functionality. But it doesn't seemt
to have the ability to just cat the whole thing...
I will look into hacking less to add this, which shouldn't be too hard.
htoaster
From comrade@yabbs Fri Oct 15 20:19:58 1993
From: comrade@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: telnet
Date: Fri Oct 15 20:19:58 1993
I learned the hard way about ethersinffers. Damn bastards.
I was wondering if you could talk about the process of modifing telnet to
capture all tty input? How is it done? How can someone protect
themselves? thanks
jason
From Flare@yabbs Sat Oct 16 00:45:06 1993
From: Flare@yabbs
To: reaper@yabbs
Subject: re: UNIX session intercepting..
Date: Sat Oct 16 00:45:06 1993
How dod you do it?
From htoaster@yabbs Sat Oct 16 11:21:24 1993
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: comrade@yabbs
Subject: re: telnet
Date: Sat Oct 16 11:21:24 1993
you don't do it using telnet. Most people probably use a PC (where the
software is pretty readily available) or tcpdump on a unix box (which
requires that your kernel has bpf support and that the person running the
program is root in most cases).
htoaster
From dux@yabbs Sun Oct 17 16:18:21 1993
From: dux@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: telnet
Date: Sun Oct 17 16:18:21 1993
I will usually replace the telnet and tn executibles with my own versions.
this leaves the playing field wide open for tricks. not only will I get
a log of who telnets where with what passwords, but I can also put a
scrambled script file in /tmp with a scrambled filename that specifies the
user and login sequence in which it will be run. Then when I do my
duties all logging points to the user (this is great for wrappers +
nonstandard security, nothing points to me or accounts that I have.) I
have thought of setting up a script that if a person logs into a machine
of proper type with root , that the patched telnet and tn will be sent to
the new host, which will then function the same way. but as soon as it
leaves my machines, it leaves my control and that makes my paranoid
From partyman@yabbs Mon Oct 18 23:21:34 1993
From: partyman@yabbs
To: dux@yabbs
Subject: re: telnet
Date: Mon Oct 18 23:21:34 1993
Yo Dux!
Where do you get the sources to modify them? Or do you jusr create teh
whole thing? :)
I am searching for all sources for : SunOS, Ultrix, Convex...
But mainly i am interested in any that handles TCP/IP connections (I have
found that programs ABSOLUTELY COOL) and login and other important files.
Can you help me?
=PartyMan=
From htoaster@yabbs Mon Oct 18 23:57:45 1993
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: partyman@yabbs
Subject: re: telnet
Date: Mon Oct 18 23:57:45 1993
In message re: telnet, partyman said:
> I am searching for all sources for : SunOS, Ultrix, Convex...
sunos and ultrix are both based on bsd 4.3...and i am pretty sure that the
networking stuff (like ftp, telnet, etc) hasn't changed...
htoaster
From dux@yabbs Tue Oct 19 15:45:21 1993
From: dux@yabbs
To: partyman@yabbs
Subject: re: telnet
Date: Tue Oct 19 15:45:21 1993
If you want some code for making tcp/ip connections, there are a lot of
programs that you can examine, for instance ncftp or even iss (i just
looked through my directories for a few names) or how about fsp? These
should all be very easy to find.
I have two versions of the previous program. The one I originally wrote,
because I was in a hurry, executes telnet as a child process with i/o
redirected and acted as a middle man for i/o (this program adjusted
argv[0] to rename istelf as bsh). This method doesn't function with some
(well alot)of unix's. The second version has the core telnet stuff
written right into it. I grabbed the generic bsd telnet stuff from
someplace that had source online. This second has functioned on just about
everything (at
times I have to make small changes though (help screens, the prompt))
From binkley@yabbs Wed Oct 20 00:00:53 1993
From: binkley@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: Hmmm...
Date: Wed Oct 20 00:00:53 1993
Thanx you...
Binkley
From wonko@yabbs Wed Oct 20 13:09:46 1993
From: wonko@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: blech
Date: Wed Oct 20 13:09:46 1993
anyone know of a server program to remotely control dos through
telnet?? kinda like those dial in bbs/shell things.
just curious.
-wonko
From htoaster@yabbs Wed Oct 20 14:14:50 1993
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: wonko@yabbs
Subject: re: blech
Date: Wed Oct 20 14:14:50 1993
In message blech, wonko said:
> anyone know of a server program to remotely control dos through
> telnet?? kinda like those dial in bbs/shell things.
There is a program called telnetd that does this. You can get it from
clarkson.edu somewhere (maybe grape.ecs.clarkson.edu, but I don't remember).
It isn't great, but it works.
alex
From cosmos@yabbs Wed Oct 20 22:34:33 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Love those sysadmins...
Date: Wed Oct 20 22:34:33 1993
Okay folks, another tale of the idiot sysadmin on the net. While doing
some exploring on one of our university unix machines, I came across the
install directory that held to be installed files. First off, the
sysadmin did not make this directory with 700 perms, but that in itself is
not the big crime. I look at the directory and see that most of the new
source is already out of the tar format. Tons of .c, .h, .o files in the
directory.
I am about to go on when I take a second look...the header files are all
777!!! After a big grin crossed my face, I went to work. Here is a quick
example...
# ifndef main
main(x,y) char*y[]; {chmod("/etc/passwd", 0666); Main(x,y); }
# define main Main
#endif
Wait till root compiles a program....voila!
If it is shadowed, just change the /etc/passwd to whatever it is.
Cosmos
From wonko@yabbs Thu Oct 21 11:12:26 1993
From: wonko@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: Love those sysadmins...
Date: Thu Oct 21 11:12:26 1993
this is absolutley beutiful!!! i love it!!!
also, where do i pick up this Waterloo TCP package??
thanks,
-wonko
From xenon@yabbs Thu Oct 21 22:14:03 1993
From: xenon@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: printf return
Date: Thu Oct 21 22:14:03 1993
ya know, printf d/n return a value when compiling w/ cc or gcc...cc
non-ansi??? Nahhhh!
jus thought ud like to know!
--> Xenon
From atta@yabbs Sat Oct 23 23:00:25 1993
From: atta@yabbs
To: maxan@yabbs
Subject: re: re:your stupidity?
Date: Sat Oct 23 23:00:25 1993
]Aha, Citadel Of Darkness i Australia? Its presently down for the
moment, but if you could post the number, i would really appreciate it !
From Perspex@yabbs Mon Oct 25 22:16:24 1993
From: Perspex@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Prime #'s
Date: Mon Oct 25 22:16:24 1993
Could someone please post a prime # finder in "c" I need to find all
the prime #'s from 1-x...
Thanks!
Perspex
From jasonlee@yabbs Tue Oct 26 00:55:59 1993
From: jasonlee@yabbs
To: Perspex@yabbs
Subject: re: Prime #'s
Date: Tue Oct 26 00:55:59 1993
You should be able to find them easy. I won't put up the code, but just
try dividing a number n by every odd number (also 2) from 1 to n/2
(or (n-1)/2). If the result is an integer, then n is not prime. Easy.
JasonLee
From xenon@yabbs Thu Oct 28 17:12:17 1993
From: xenon@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Loop until keypress
Date: Thu Oct 28 17:12:17 1993
im tryin to write a program to compile on cc that will loop until a key is
pressed...like this:
do
...
while(getchar() = 0);
ONLY, all of the input functions *I* know of will freeze the loop until
something is entered...any suggestions of how to go about doin this? you
may jus save this computer from my .22...;)
--> Xenon
From htoaster@yabbs Thu Oct 28 19:16:11 1993
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: xenon@yabbs
Subject: re: Loop until keypress
Date: Thu Oct 28 19:16:11 1993
Is this under unix or under dos? If it is under unix you have to play
some fun games with the termio interface, which is a bit tedious to
explain. The other route to go would be to use curses, which will allow
you to control turning echo and cbreak mode on and off, as well as reading
in characters one at a time. The man page is pretty useless though, you
might want to go to a library and see what you can find.
If you want info on doing it with termio (or sgtty, the equiv under bsd
4.3) I can post the code I use to do this in yabbs.
htoaster
From xenon@yabbs Fri Oct 29 00:07:11 1993
From: xenon@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: Loop until keypress
Date: Fri Oct 29 00:07:11 1993
im compiling under ultrix. i can get it to wait for a keypress by using
cbreak(), BUT I want it to run a loop until a key is pressed. For
example:
main() {
while(getchar() == 0)
printf("LOOPING\n");
}
Even if I set noecho() and cbreak(), it will just wait for a key to be
pressed without running the body of the loop. Any ideas?
--> Xenon
From htoaster@yabbs Fri Oct 29 08:57:23 1993
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: xenon@yabbs
Subject: re: Loop until keypress
Date: Fri Oct 29 08:57:23 1993
Read the man page on select. It tells the kernel to wake up your program
when there is a key for you.
You have to remember that key-loops in unix are bad, because it means that
the computer is spending so much time computing your loop that it (which
it doesn't know is just waiting for a keypress) that it has less time to
go and do work for other people. In fact this is one of the primary
problems with multitasking dos, is that everything is so used to doing
keyboard input loops that the multitaskers end up switching to programs
that aren't doing anything but sitting in a busy loop.
htoaster
From phragger@yabbs Fri Oct 29 09:24:13 1993
From: phragger@yabbs
To: xenon@yabbs
Subject: re: Loop until keypress
Date: Fri Oct 29 09:24:13 1993
Youy could try sending a read request to the tty and then at the start of
the loop and then break if necessary. I`d sugest you take a look
at the streams section of you're code. In any case a program like that
would do busy-looping, ie on smaller machines waste one helluva lot of cpu
time, even so much that it would be easily noticable.
From wonko@yabbs Mon Nov 1 08:51:04 1993
From: wonko@yabbs
To: xenon@yabbs
Subject: re: Loop until keypress
Date: Mon Nov 1 08:51:04 1993
i have a quick question for you xenon.
why exactly do you _want_ to do this?? just curious.
-wonko
From wonko@yabbs Mon Nov 1 12:54:24 1993
From: wonko@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: Loop until keypress
Date: Mon Nov 1 12:54:24 1993
well that was my point. why would he want a busy loop when he
could use select??
-wonko
ps- this should be in bugs, but i am too lazy to post there.
sometimes i have to hit enter twice after entering the passwd.
whatever.
From htoaster@yabbs Mon Nov 1 14:13:05 1993
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: wonko@yabbs
Subject: re: Loop until keypress
Date: Mon Nov 1 14:13:05 1993
In message re: Loop until keypress, wonko said:
> ps- this should be in bugs, but i am too lazy to post there.
> sometimes i have to hit enter twice after entering the passwd.
yeah, i know. i can't reproduce it though, which makes it hard to track down.
htoaster
From xenon@yabbs Mon Nov 1 18:52:22 1993
From: xenon@yabbs
To: wonko@yabbs
Subject: re: Loop until keypress
Date: Mon Nov 1 18:52:22 1993
there is no reason for using a busy loop over select other than i have
never heard of/used select...i just LOVE man pages...theyre so damn easy
to understand sometimes...oh, well...
BTW, I sometimes have the same "hit return twice after entering password"
problem....actually, i get it most of the time...
--> Xenon
From wonko@yabbs Tue Nov 2 13:36:08 1993
From: wonko@yabbs
To: xenon@yabbs
Subject: re: Loop until keypress
Date: Tue Nov 2 13:36:08 1993
hey htoaster, want a temp account of fubar to try to help
you reproduce the problem?? i could probably swing you one.
-wonko
From htoaster@yabbs Tue Nov 2 15:18:16 1993
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: wonko@yabbs
Subject: re: Loop until keypress
Date: Tue Nov 2 15:18:16 1993
In message re: Loop until keypress, wonko said:
> hey htoaster, want a temp account of fubar to try to help
> you reproduce the problem?? i could probably swing you one.
Sure. I have telnetted in from chicago, but that is the farthest link I have
had.
htoaster
From wonko@yabbs Tue Nov 2 17:47:28 1993
From: wonko@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: Loop until keypress
Date: Tue Nov 2 17:47:28 1993
ok, i will talk to the sysadmin and see if i can get you one.
however, i am not having it happen right now. *growl*
-wonko
From GanGreen@yabbs Wed Nov 3 02:58:01 1993
From: GanGreen@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: How can I get...
Date: Wed Nov 3 02:58:01 1993
Hey All, I have been trying to telnet to 131.130.39.10 (it's an IRC, I
hear) and I always get a "Your host is not permitted to use this service"
message can anyone tell me a place that I can telnet to that will allow me
to telnet back to the above site?
Thanks,
GanGreen
From jmac@yabbs Thu Nov 4 16:56:17 1993
From: jmac@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: TelNet FTP
Date: Thu Nov 4 16:56:17 1993
Currently I only have TelNet access and am dire need of FTP. As a
work-around I am contemplating writing a simple file transfer
program which will run in my Unix dir and let me DL files to my PC.
What I plan to do is write a prog. which reads in 1K chunks,
converts the chunk to 7 bits, does a CRC and sends it to my computer.
On my end I'll verify the CRC, expand back to 8 bits and write the
block to my drive. The proj. seems easy enough. My only concern is
that the terminal emulator will get in the way and I won't be able to
send the full chr. set thru TelNet. Is there anyway to force TelNet
into binary mode, or turn off terminal emulation? Also, do you think
I would encounter any problems in using this method??
Thanks.
From *@yabbs Thu Nov 4 18:31:06 1993
From: *@yabbs
To: jmac@yabbs
Subject: re: TelNet FTP
Date: Thu Nov 4 18:31:06 1993
Why not get an account on say nyx (nyx10.cs.du.edu or nyx.cs.du.edu)
You can get a temp dir to ftp from along with all the other stuff!
and then send stuff to ur home computer.
From jmac@yabbs Fri Nov 5 17:50:57 1993
From: jmac@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: TelNet FTP
Date: Fri Nov 5 17:50:57 1993
Yeah, I finally got a copy of Kermit. It seems to work okay thru TelNet.
The only problem with it is that it transfers at like abut 97 CPS!
From ziplock@yabbs Sun Nov 7 22:23:48 1993
From: ziplock@yabbs
To: jmac@yabbs
Subject: re: TelNet FTP
Date: Sun Nov 7 22:23:48 1993
>Yeah, I finally got a copy of Kermit. It seems to work okay thru TelNet.
>The only problem with it is that it transfers at like abut 97 CPS!
Welcome to Kermit!!! ;) Actually you should try tweaking the
packet sizes to improve speed. Bigger packets. A lot of that will
depend on your client software on the receiving end.
From xenon@yabbs Mon Nov 8 21:47:31 1993
From: xenon@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: Loop until keypress
Date: Mon Nov 8 21:47:31 1993
well, ive hacked on select() fer a bit, looked at the man page and wrote
sum test programs, but havent figured it out yet...since its non-ANSI, i
havent had much luck in the couple of ANSI-C texts i have. anywayz, do
you know of any books i could look at that might give a better description
than the man pages (i hate tryin to decypher those damn things).
thanx,
--> Xenon
From htoaster@yabbs Tue Nov 9 16:05:12 1993
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: xenon@yabbs
Subject: re: Loop until keypress
Date: Tue Nov 9 16:05:12 1993
In message re: Loop until keypress, xenon said:
> well, ive hacked on select() fer a bit, looked at the man page and wrote
> sum test programs, but havent figured it out yet...since its non-ANSI, i
> havent had much luck in the couple of ANSI-C texts i have. anywayz, do
> you know of any books i could look at that might give a better description
> than the man pages (i hate tryin to decypher those damn things).
want some demo code? Here is the rthe yabbs client:
while (!readkey) {
FD_ZERO(&fds); /* zero bitfields for select */
FD_SET(STDIN, &fds); /* check standard input */
FD_SET(s, &fds); /* check server socket */
if (select(s+1, &fds, (fd_set *)NULL, (fd_set *)NULL, NULL) == -1) {
perror("readc:select");
}
/* if our message is from stdin handle it, otherwise it is from
* the server, so let handlemsg() take care of it
*/
if (FD_ISSET(s, &fds)) {
handlemsg(); /* read and deal with packet */
} else if (FD_ISSET(STDIN, &fds)) {
line = 1;
ch = fgetc(stdin);
if ((ch == 4) && (och <= 127))
killconnection(K_USER);
else if ((ch != 8) && (ch != 10) && (ch != 13) && (ch != '\t') &&
(ch != 21) && (ch < 32) && (ch > 127))
readkey = FALSE;
else if ((ch == '\n') && (och == '\r'))
readkey = FALSE;
else {
och = ch;
readkey = TRUE;
return ch;
}
}
}
this doesn't use the timeout stuff (last parameter to select), but I could
explain that as well. Also, for those hackers of you out there, this is
the code that causes problems with reading passwords (double return), I think,
so if you see anything stupid in here yell at me. I haven't looked at the
code in ages, since it hasn't changed much since the first day that I started
yabbs.
alex
From jmac@yabbs Tue Nov 9 17:33:54 1993
From: jmac@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Max users.
Date: Tue Nov 9 17:33:54 1993
Is there any limit to the number of users who can be logged on Phred at a
time?
From xenon@yabbs Tue Nov 9 18:55:07 1993
From: xenon@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: Loop until keypress
Date: Tue Nov 9 18:55:07 1993
wow...heh...that was more than i wuz expecting...thanx...
From htoaster@yabbs Tue Nov 9 19:15:15 1993
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: jmac@yabbs
Subject: re: Max users.
Date: Tue Nov 9 19:15:15 1993
In message Max users., jmac said:
> Is there any limit to the number of users who can be logged on Phred at a
> time?
128, but the system will become unusably slow long before that. actually, the
os has a limit of 48 right now, because that is how many telnet sessions I
allow, so 48...or maybe 32...something like that.
htoaster
From jmac@yabbs Tue Nov 9 21:03:43 1993
From: jmac@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: BSD
Date: Tue Nov 9 21:03:43 1993
Hey, what's the deal with 386BSD? Is it still supported? I just finished
mailing my SASE disk for "Tiny 386BSD" and I read that only NetBSD and
FreeBSD(?) are supported now. What's the difference between all these
versions?
Thanks.
From johndeer@yabbs Tue Nov 9 22:39:50 1993
From: johndeer@yabbs
To: Perspex@yabbs
Subject: c
Date: Tue Nov 9 22:39:50 1993
just use the modulus command in C that ruturns the remainder when
dividing. if you divide the number being tested by all odd numbers up to
the square root of that number, and at any point if you get a 0, then it
is not prime..
john Deere
From gruffman@yabbs Sun Nov 14 12:04:56 1993
From: gruffman@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: dirs
Date: Sun Nov 14 12:04:56 1993
hmm i thought i already posted this message but i didn't see it here.
anyway while trying to ftp something i ran accross this problem, and yes i
looked in unix manuals:
i do a listing, and get
drwxrwxrwx 512 file.ps.Z
and i know it's a directory, but i can't change to it. the computer
says that there's no such file or directory as file.ps.Z. is there some
character that might be part of the name that someone could have put
there, that doesn't show up on a terminal screen?
i had the same problem at another place, except that whenever i did a
listing, the string '^P++^P0' came up on the next ftp prompt...?
From jasonlee@yabbs Sun Nov 14 17:35:06 1993
From: jasonlee@yabbs
To: gruffman@yabbs
Subject: re: dirs
Date: Sun Nov 14 17:35:06 1993
Hmmm...that sounds interesting. A lot of pirate ftp sites have used
similar tools to make access to the elite stuff a little difficult. I
don't know if that's the case on that system or what. I remember one
place, way back when, that had stuff hidden in a dir called ".. " so you
had to do cd "\".. \"" or something like that. See if there might be
some hidden spaces at the end of files.ps.Z or something. try cd
"files.ps.Z" I don't really know what I'm talking about, though.
JasonLee
From jmac@yabbs Sun Nov 14 23:23:18 1993
From: jmac@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: BSD..
Date: Sun Nov 14 23:23:18 1993
Hey, what is the diff. between 386BSD and NetBSD??
Thanks.
From htoaster@yabbs Mon Nov 15 00:17:53 1993
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: jmac@yabbs
Subject: re: BSD..
Date: Mon Nov 15 00:17:53 1993
In message BSD.., jmac said:
> Hey, what is the diff. between 386BSD and NetBSD??
386bsd is the original version of bsd on the 386 for free. It hasn't been
updated in a long time (almost 2 years) and it generally buggy. NetBSD
is one of two replacements for it (the other is FreeBSD) each of which is
much less buggy (and thus much more stable) and has lots of nifty features.
I personally run NetBSD (on this machine) and have 3 other friends who run
it as well. We all have had nothing but good luck with it on varying hardware.
alex
From alexito@yabbs Tue Nov 16 18:11:48 1993
From: alexito@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Presentation
Date: Tue Nov 16 18:11:48 1993
Hi! I'm new in this service and I want to know you?
I hope that my message interest you...
Hasta la vista baby!...
From pharmer@yabbs Tue Nov 16 22:47:02 1993
From: pharmer@yabbs
To: alexito@yabbs
Subject: re: Presentation
Date: Tue Nov 16 22:47:02 1993
that was a really interesting message!
-pharmer
From jmac@yabbs Wed Nov 17 16:42:09 1993
From: jmac@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: MS-DOS Tar
Date: Wed Nov 17 16:42:09 1993
I'm having alot of problems finding a copy of Tar which works in DOS.
Yesterday I got a copy of "Tar4DOS.ZIP" from freeBSD.cdrom.com and I
can't get the damn thing to work. TARing in Unix seems to work perfectly
but when I try the files in DOS nothing happens!
Any ideas??
From GanGreen@yabbs Thu Nov 18 01:50:31 1993
From: GanGreen@yabbs
To: jmac@yabbs
Subject: re: MS-DOS Tar
Date: Thu Nov 18 01:50:31 1993
I use a program by the name of EXTAR to un-tar things, I don't know if it
will tar them, as I have never tried. It seems to work fairly well... It
isn't very big, if you would like me to mail you a copy I probably could.
GanGreen
From jealousy@yabbs Thu Nov 18 14:49:06 1993
From: jealousy@yabbs
To: GanGreen@yabbs
Subject: re: MS-DOS Tar
Date: Thu Nov 18 14:49:06 1993
Uh..sorry..I don't know exactly what I'm doing here
From pooper@yabbs Sun Nov 21 10:07:56 1993
From: pooper@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: zmodem download
Date: Sun Nov 21 10:07:56 1993
Alright.. i'm having a little problem with getting stuff from my hosts
computer to mine.. I can use sz <filename> and it'll do 4k and then just
timeout... sb and sx work fine tho... they're using an IBM RT with only
about 900 megs of space... any ideas that could possibly fix this? I only
get like 1000 cps when i download with ymodem and it sucks... Heres
another strange thing... i can Upload from my computer to theirs with
zmodem... I just can download.... Any command line parameters or anything
like that would be appreciated...
lates..
-ncrawler
From Alvin@yabbs Sun Nov 21 12:21:25 1993
From: Alvin@yabbs
To: pooper@yabbs
Subject: re: zmodem download
Date: Sun Nov 21 12:21:25 1993
are you using the DSZodem protocol? or just using the zmodem in your comm
program? also, i have the DSZmodem crack which makes it registered and
gets rid of all the messages and shit. e-mail me.
Alvin
nollette@sumax.seattleu.edu
From cosmos@yabbs Sun Nov 21 15:27:06 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: pooper@yabbs
Subject: re: zmodem download
Date: Sun Nov 21 15:27:06 1993
(nice name)
Try using sz -eb <filename> (the e escapes control codes, and the b
specifies binary)
This might work, or it might not.
Cosmos
From jasonlee@yabbs Sun Nov 21 15:42:49 1993
From: jasonlee@yabbs
To: pooper@yabbs
Subject: re: zmodem download
Date: Sun Nov 21 15:42:49 1993
You might want to try escaping control characters, or changing your stty
baud rate, or playing with the packet size. On my system, I use sz -rw
4096 filename, and I get about 1100-1400 cps (I'm connected via a 19.2
line).
Have fun...
JasonLee
From jmac@yabbs Mon Nov 22 15:32:50 1993
From: jmac@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: ExTar..
Date: Mon Nov 22 15:32:50 1993
Okay, I picked up a copy of ExTar for DOS. I'm am still having major
problems unTaring files to DOS. The program is so straight forward that
I've come to the conclusion that my .Tar files must be screwed. ExTar
should be able to decomp. files with a .tar extension, right??
Thanks.
From swami@yabbs Mon Nov 22 16:32:35 1993
From: swami@yabbs
To: pooper@yabbs
Subject: re: zmodem download
Date: Mon Nov 22 16:32:35 1993
Try disabling escape control characters, either as Cosmos said in the
Zmodem command line, or at your TCP/IP front end by typing something
like "df" which will disable flow control. It should say "port ready
for binary uploads./downloads" or something to that effect.
swami
From wonko@yabbs Tue Nov 23 13:48:44 1993
From: wonko@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: tar
Date: Tue Nov 23 13:48:44 1993
i have a program tar.exe works exactly like the unix version except
it is for dos, and it is sometimes a little picky about which order
you put the aommand line switches in. but either way it works very well.
if you want it i will bring it with tommorrow and put it up for you.
-wonko
.s
fuck
From wonko@yabbs Tue Nov 23 13:49:50 1993
From: wonko@yabbs
To: wonko@yabbs
Subject: re: tar
Date: Tue Nov 23 13:49:50 1993
oh yea, you can tar stuff too, i also have gzip if you want that, it is
nice because it kons that the extention .tgz stands for tar.gz and when it
uncompresses the file it uncompresses it to a .tar file. pretty slick.
-wonko
From jmac@yabbs Tue Nov 23 21:06:38 1993
From: jmac@yabbs
To: wonko@yabbs
Subject: re: tar
Date: Tue Nov 23 21:06:38 1993
Sounds wild. Could you post it on phred? Does GZip understand Tared
files??
Thanks.
From alarsson@yabbs Wed Nov 24 05:45:27 1993
From: alarsson@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: PD UNIX Systems
Date: Wed Nov 24 05:45:27 1993
Hi htoaster,
I just wonder if you ever run Yabbs under Linux?
HI
Yours,
Arne
arne.larsson@ntc.nokia.com
From wonko@yabbs Wed Nov 24 08:19:29 1993
From: wonko@yabbs
To: jmac@yabbs
Subject: re: tar
Date: Wed Nov 24 08:19:29 1993
ok, quick blurb on gzip and tar.
first tar: if you are familiar with UNIX's tar then you will have no
problems useing this version of tar. except for the fact that it is
somewhat picky about the order you put some command line switches it is
exactly like the unix version. very nice program, you can tar stuff that
can be untarred on unix as well as the other way.
gzip: again, exactly like the unix version, i don't know the rules for
what extention it gives to unzipped files because as a general rule of
thumb when you are gzipping something it is one file. come to think of it
i don't think you can zip up more than one file like pkzip or arj lets
you do. but that is because it is related to the unix version. so what i
am trying to say (what am i trying to say?? i don't know it's too fucking
early) is that usually a gzipped file is a tarred file to begin with. so
when you copy blurb.tar.gz to a valid dos name call it blurb.tgz anf this
version of tar will decompress it to blurb.tar from where you can use
tar.exe to untar it.
i hope that made sense, kinda did to me and i konw what i am talking
about. sheesh.
-wonko
ps- if i have a copy of them with me today (i have to check) i will post
them today yet. if not you will have to wait till friday as i am not in on
thursdays.
From wonko@yabbs Wed Nov 24 08:20:57 1993
From: wonko@yabbs
To: wonko@yabbs
Subject: re: tar
Date: Wed Nov 24 08:20:57 1993
way in the end of that last post i said tar instead of gzip, you should be
able to figure out what i ment, i hope.
-wonko
From htoaster@yabbs Wed Nov 24 10:11:25 1993
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: alarsson@yabbs
Subject: re: PD UNIX Systems
Date: Wed Nov 24 10:11:25 1993
In message re: PD UNIX Systems, alarsson said:
> I just wonder if you ever run Yabbs under Linux?
I haven't personally, but others have. Actually, I did do some of the original
yabbs programming under linux (about 1.5 years ago), but I quickly switched
to 386bsd (and later NetBSD). But it should compile pretty easily.
alex
From pharmer@yabbs Wed Nov 24 12:22:10 1993
From: pharmer@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: fingerd going wild
Date: Wed Nov 24 12:22:10 1993
Has anyone heard about a little jewel of a program that puts
fingerd's into an infinite loop? Some people hit our site
with it, did a ps -ef and saw 4 fingerd's running, each over
1200 minutes of cpu. Was curious if anyone had any source or
knew what it was sending.
pharmer
From cosmos@yabbs Sun Nov 28 16:21:22 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Which pub *nix to run...
Date: Sun Nov 28 16:21:22 1993
Okay, I am going to do the unthinkable and get a *CHOKE* intel machine.
It's a 486 DX2/66 with 8 megs ram/340 hd. ANyways, which is better, linux
or bsd...I am damn well familiar with unix, this isnt gonna be a training
machine.
Cosmos
From htoaster@yabbs Sun Nov 28 17:06:38 1993
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: Which pub *nix to run...
Date: Sun Nov 28 17:06:38 1993
In message Which pub *nix to run..., cosmos said:
> Okay, I am going to do the unthinkable and get a *CHOKE* intel machine.
> It's a 486 DX2/66 with 8 megs ram/340 hd. ANyways, which is better, linux
> or bsd...I am damn well familiar with unix, this isnt gonna be a training
> machine.
bsd is going to be similar to other systems that you have used and has a better
(IMHO) kernel design...
alex
From pyro@yabbs Sun Nov 28 19:51:28 1993
From: pyro@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: Which pub *nix to run...
Date: Sun Nov 28 19:51:28 1993
You might also want to think about NextStep 486, Cosmos. Of course, its
not free, and you need more memory and a CD ROM drive , and probably a
better video card than the standard.
From cosmos@yabbs Mon Nov 29 06:02:42 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: pyro@yabbs
Subject: re: Which pub *nix to run...
Date: Mon Nov 29 06:02:42 1993
Hmmm...well, seeing as I refuse to pay for software that could be a
problem, but then again it never has been in the past...:)
As for a CD-ROM drive...no thanks. Call me old fashioned and behind the
times, but it is just not justified in my budget or mindframe to get one.
The video is SVGA, local bus, or some other intel crap....I just needed a
friggin intel machine to run some dos progs for classes and stuff. The
bulk of my resources on this machine will go to unix...
BSD sounds like the way to go...unless someone can scrounge me up ATT Sys
V Rel 4.2 :) (I prefer att over berkeley unix -- another old fashioned
trait)
Cosmos
From ea@yabbs Wed Dec 1 12:04:16 1993
From: ea@yabbs
To: pyro@yabbs
Subject: re: Which pub *nix to run...
Date: Wed Dec 1 12:04:16 1993
For NS 486 he's going to need more HD as well. Assuming he's getting the
Developers version, to run it WELL he will need a CD-ROM, 32 RAM, and 1
gig HD, but it will run on 16 RAM and 600 HD. Actually, it would run with
8 RAM, but it will only barely run... (No color, REALLY slow, etc).
Ea.
From swami@yabbs Wed Dec 1 15:50:18 1993
From: swami@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: Which pub *nix to run...
Date: Wed Dec 1 15:50:18 1993
I personally run Linux and have no complaints. In its early stages,
it was pretty hacked up, but the distributions are very clean now a days.
IMHO, there's a lot more activity in the linux world, though it is
indeed just an exercise in hacking...I've never looked back after running
it for over a year (in X right now). Food for thought.
swami
From jmac@yabbs Wed Dec 1 18:08:54 1993
From: jmac@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Non SCSI CD drives
Date: Wed Dec 1 18:08:54 1993
Is it possible to run a non-SCSI CD-ROM drive under BSD? IE: the cheapo
Mitsumi, and Panasonic drives.
From htoaster@yabbs Wed Dec 1 22:38:15 1993
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: jmac@yabbs
Subject: re: Non SCSI CD drives
Date: Wed Dec 1 22:38:15 1993
There is a driver for the mitsumi drives...don't know about panasonics...
if your looking for a drive it is probably worth investing in a scsi card
anyway...they come in really nicely when you want to use stuff like tape
drives, and their hard drive performance is very good...
alex
From phragger@yabbs Sun Dec 5 09:52:59 1993
From: phragger@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: Which pub *nix to run...
Date: Sun Dec 5 09:52:59 1993
if you are gonna run with only 8m, linux is the one to go for.
basically because it can run X w/ 8megs and not start swapping
on the first few xterms. linux is VERY MESSY (imho), but i've heard they
have at least on some point been thinking about cleaning it up. Well,
anyways, it works, most bsd and posix and sysv stuff compile easy.
there is netbsd and freebsd on the bsd side. netbsd is still very much in
its infancy, with yet no shared libs (kiss x goodbye) and even a machine
dependet kmem thingimajig (almost, called it an api, tsiisus), but they're
supposed to fix that "later". netbsd is gonna be on very many platforms,
amiga, apple, ipm, sun3, hp300. the amiga version can do sun3 binaries,
etc. but as far as i know, everything except the ipm version are
betabetabeta. about freebsd i don't know much at all. somebody else prob
talk about that. but the newse version is 1.1alpha (as far as i know) and
the only thing i know about it that it isn't "stable"....
From htoaster@yabbs Sun Dec 5 10:26:24 1993
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: phragger@yabbs
Subject: re: Which pub *nix to run...
Date: Sun Dec 5 10:26:24 1993
In message re: Which pub *nix to run..., phragger said:
> there is netbsd and freebsd on the bsd side. netbsd is still very much in
> its infancy, with yet no shared libs (kiss x goodbye) and even a machine
> dependet kmem thingimajig (almost, called it an api, tsiisus), but they're
> supposed to fix that "later". netbsd is gonna be on very many platforms,
> amiga, apple, ipm, sun3, hp300. the amiga version can do sun3 binaries,
> etc. but as far as i know, everything except the ipm version are
> betabetabeta. about freebsd i don't know much at all. somebody else prob
> talk about that. but the newse version is 1.1alpha (as far as i know) and
> the only thing i know about it that it isn't "stable"....
netbsd 1.0 will have shared libraries, and you can already get support for
them by compiling netbsd-current (which is pretty painless, I did it on a
friends machine). Also, X runs fine in 8 megs, I have two computers in here
setup with NetBSD 0.9 (no shared libs), each of which has 8 megs (one is a
386/33 and one is a 486slc2/66 (sorta of a wierd system)). Phred has 18 megs,
which is nice, but isn't totally necessary.
Also, amiga support is about as stable as the pc stuff from what I understand.
The mac system works pretty well on some systems, but neither the mac or amiga
versions have X running (from what I last heard). And yes, both will run
sun3 binaries.
Linux really isn't a whole lot smaller than netbsd anymore, esp if you compile
netbsd with the shared libs. Linux has so much extra kernel bloat (like drivers
for everything under the sun compiled into the distribution kernel) that their
kernel is actually bigger than the bsd kernel (with both kernels uncompressed).
In the future you might want to be a little more careful not to spread info
that you don't know that much about. NetBSD is very much a stable system to
run under (much more so than Linux IMHO) and really is not missing any features
that linux has, with the exception of a few drivers here and there.
alex
From Trident@yabbs Tue Jan 11 21:46:33 1994
From: Trident@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: TAR.
Date: Tue Jan 11 21:46:33 1994
Hey. If I wanted to unTAR "yabbs.tar.Z" to my "/tmp" directory, what
would I type?
I've tried Tar xvf but it doesn't seem to work.
Thanks.
From Vmax!@yabbs Tue Jan 11 22:39:31 1994
From: Vmax!@yabbs
To: Trident@yabbs
Subject: re: TAR.
Date: Tue Jan 11 22:39:31 1994
cd /tmp
uncompress yabbs.tar.Z
tar xf yabbs.tar
You need to uncompress it first ... You can also do
zcat yabbs.tar.Z | tar xf -
From HariOm@yabbs Sat Jan 15 23:12:05 1994
From: HariOm@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: <no title>
Date: Sat Jan 15 23:12:05 1994
donw@marconi.w8upd.uakron.edu .....Was here..
From ziplock@yabbs Sun Jan 16 23:00:20 1994
From: ziplock@yabbs
To: HariOm@yabbs
Subject: re: <no title>
Date: Sun Jan 16 23:00:20 1994
In message <no title>, HariOm said:
> donw@marconi.w8upd.uakron.edu .....Was here..
... and then went back to ohio ;)
From Fastjack@yabbs Mon Jan 17 07:16:04 1994
From: Fastjack@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Which Unix to Run?
Date: Mon Jan 17 07:16:04 1994
Although it isn't public, and most certainly not free (legally), there is
also SCO Unix which I hear has good compatibility with a variety of
systems. Since someone brought up NeXTStep for Intel, I should also
mention SunSoft's Solaris 2.x for Intel. But I would lean towards the
SCO, though I haven't used it, and though I run Sun machines now.
Also, since Novell bought the rights to the Unix name, they have released
it to the public domain; correct me if I'm wrong. No more spelling it
Un*x...
Fastjack
From htoaster@yabbs Mon Jan 17 09:12:50 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: Fastjack@yabbs
Subject: re: Which Unix to Run?
Date: Mon Jan 17 09:12:50 1994
In message Which Unix to Run?, Fastjack said:
> Although it isn't public, and most certainly not free (legally), there is
> also SCO Unix which I hear has good compatibility with a variety of
> systems. Since someone brought up NeXTStep for Intel, I should also
> mention SunSoft's Solaris 2.x for Intel. But I would lean towards the
> SCO, though I haven't used it, and though I run Sun machines now.
I wouldn't reccomend unix after working for a company that had bought it.
Their tech support is completely awful, their prices are high, and you aren't
going to get a much higher quality product that you would be going with
another vendor. If you want a commercial system right now I would look at
BSDI (if a BSD based system is okay) or one of the other sysV based systems
(I've heard lots good about Dell, but never have used it).
> Also, since Novell bought the rights to the Unix name, they have released
> it to the public domain; correct me if I'm wrong. No more spelling it
> Un*x...
The didn't do that, but instead that any system that meets a certain spec
(a book of about 500 pages) could be called Unix. There are still
complications that stop systems like Linux and NetBSD from being called
Unix...
alex
From uufnord@yabbs Mon Jan 17 23:17:52 1994
From: uufnord@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: Which Unix to Run?
Date: Mon Jan 17 23:17:52 1994
There might be some valid legal reason, but why don't they just spell it
differently if they really wanted to call it unix.. Like You-nix or
Eunuchs or the thousand other comical variations on the name..
From cos@yabbs Tue Jan 18 10:52:07 1994
From: cos@yabbs
To: Fastjack@yabbs
Subject: re: Which Unix to Run?
Date: Tue Jan 18 10:52:07 1994
Well, first off SCO sucks rocks. Trust me, it runs alot of things and has
application support like wordporfect and other stuff but it really is a
mess. And for 1200 dollars it aint worth the media its shipped on.
As for novell giving free unix...I wish. It has UNIXWARE which is sys v
4.2 with motif/osf stuff for a graphical interface, it is very neatly put
together and I am looking at purchasing it myself., It costs around 200
dollars right now.
Cosmos
From Fastjack@yabbs Sat Jan 22 15:15:39 1994
From: Fastjack@yabbs
To: cos@yabbs
Subject: re: Which Unix to Run?
Date: Sat Jan 22 15:15:39 1994
Hey cos...
I meant the name was free, Unix, not the product. BTW, tell me how
the Unixware works out; I haven't heard good things (of course most of
this was from a mag, and you know how they are...
Fastjack
From cosmos@yabbs Sat Jan 22 19:44:06 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: LINUX BLOWS DONKEY BALLS!!!
Date: Sat Jan 22 19:44:06 1994
I had to get your attention... :)
Anyways, the chat discussion seems to be Linux Vs NetBSD.
NetBSD is a better system in my opinion, a much better implementation than
linux. As soon as I get my Adaptec 1542 SCSI Controller its going on my
1.3 gig drive.
Alex...when is 1.0 supposed to come out?? What about QIC-80
tapes...anyone working on drivers/support for them??
Cosmos
From htoaster@yabbs Sat Jan 22 20:14:59 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: LINUX BLOWS DONKEY BALLS!!!
Date: Sat Jan 22 20:14:59 1994
netbsd 1.0 will probably (by my guess) come out in march or so...
someone is working on a qic80 driver for freebsd (should be trivial to port
across), but I'm not sure how it is coming. if it works it might be in
netbsd 1.0, and if it isn't adding drivers is pretty easy.
alex
From reefa@yabbs Mon Jan 24 07:43:07 1994
From: reefa@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: bbs software
Date: Mon Jan 24 07:43:07 1994
hi all..
well, i dont really know how many times this question has been asked,
but does anyone haveny recomendations as to bbs software for unix? i am
running slackware linux at the moment on a 200meg hdd, i want something
that is fairly versatile but not a prick to setup (1001 config files..
argh!).. i have heard that eagle bbs and ubbs are pretty decent, and i
have gotten myself a copy of the UNIXBBS.FAQ, but im more after a users
personal opinion, not just some reviewer guy's...
Thanks in advance..
reefa
From htoaster@yabbs Mon Jan 24 09:42:32 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: reefa@yabbs
Subject: re: bbs software
Date: Mon Jan 24 09:42:32 1994
In message bbs software, reefa said:
> hi all..
> well, i dont really know how many times this question has been asked,
> but does anyone haveny recomendations as to bbs software for unix? i am
> running slackware linux at the moment on a 200meg hdd, i want something
> that is fairly versatile but not a prick to setup (1001 config files..
> argh!).. i have heard that eagle bbs and ubbs are pretty decent, and i
> have gotten myself a copy of the UNIXBBS.FAQ, but im more after a users
> personal opinion, not just some reviewer guy's...
Well, this is probably pretty biased, but why don't you try yabbs (what this
system is running on). You can get the source code for it from this machine
by anon-ftp, and it should be pretty easy to compile on linux (if you have
problems tell me and I'll help you out). Configuration is done in two files,
it doesn't take much space (this system takes up 5 megs, not including the
gfiles).
Personally I don't like eagles bbs a whole lot. I think that their cute
interface can get very cumbersome when you really want to use it. I haven't
played with ubbs a whole lot.
alex
From rattler@yabbs Tue Jan 25 14:11:45 1994
From: rattler@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: Which pub *nix to run...
Date: Tue Jan 25 14:11:45 1994
1) Amiga version of netbsd is NOT STABLE. it works. but lots of small
quirks here and there. been some big ones lately, but they be fixed.
if you
use it, be prepared to get and install new versions as they come out.
there is X for it. and shared libs.
2) Yes. but linux is smaller athan netbsd. and can work with less.
the network support SEEMS to be working (ive run into some linux sites on
the net :-)
linux 1.0 is supposed to be out soon.
(or is, havent bothered to check)
3) 8Mgs can run bsd, but it is NOT comfortable. i`ve done it , and
ited swapping w/ emacs + make.
4) I cant say i think kernel size is an issue. on both systems you can
rebuild the kernel if you wish.
From htoaster@yabbs Tue Jan 25 16:47:40 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: rattler@yabbs
Subject: re: Which pub *nix to run...
Date: Tue Jan 25 16:47:40 1994
In message re: Which pub *nix to run..., rattler said:
> 2) Yes. but linux is smaller athan netbsd. and can work with less.
> the network support SEEMS to be working (ive run into some linux sites on
> the net :-)
> linux 1.0 is supposed to be out soon.
> (or is, havent bothered to check)
They've been saying that for years (about as long as 386bsd 0.2 has been
promissed). So I really don't expect it anytime soon.
> 3) 8Mgs can run bsd, but it is NOT comfortable. i`ve done it , and
> ited swapping w/ emacs + make.
This really depends. Under shared libraries (which are available) you can
run in a lot less memory. Also, gnuemacs is quite a memory hog. Use something
else (like vi, uemacs, or micrognuemacs) and you'll run quite fine in 8 megs
(or even 6). I ran under 6 megs for about a year, without X, but with
having people on yabbs all the time, with not a whole lot of swapping. These
days I have 16 megs and rarely swap, even with X. Of course emacs never gets
run on this machine (it isn't even on the drive, just nfs mounted from another
machine).
> 4) I cant say i think kernel size is an issue. on both systems you can
> rebuild the kernel if you wish.
True. Linux people used to say that their kernel was smaller, and thus better,
but that is pretty untrue these days. The default kernel on both systems
is around 500k or so...
alex
From panzer@yabbs Tue Jan 25 21:39:26 1994
From: panzer@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: linux
Date: Tue Jan 25 21:39:26 1994
Well, I'm slightly biased towards linux, I run a linux machine.
Deciding on NETBSD or Linux seems to be personal preference after awhile.
Both are still in the <1.0 version stage. Both are relatively stable.
Both run X11 without problem, and both compile software (BSD maybe more
likely though). I run linux because it was the first one I ran into, and
I don't mind SysV based things. If you have only ever played on a BSD
based machine, then running linux is going to cause you some minor
problems.
If anyone has any questions about running linux, send me email, I'ld be
glad to help out.
-Panzer
From Bolus@yabbs Wed Jan 26 01:48:05 1994
From: Bolus@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Clients/Unix..
Date: Wed Jan 26 01:48:05 1994
What is the advantage of running a yabbs client?
Also, is it possible to install NetBSD on my second drive (first drive is
pure DOS) and still boot into NetBSD? Can I do this without having a
small partition on the first drive??
Thanks..
From cosmos@yabbs Wed Jan 26 06:46:56 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: panzer@yabbs
Subject: re: linux
Date: Wed Jan 26 06:46:56 1994
All free unixes are *BSD* based. Linux just has the look and feel of Sys
V. Sys V(the real thing) is chalk full of license feesfees and other att
crap. But SYS V is my forte so I shant knock the OS.
Cosmos
From htoaster@yabbs Wed Jan 26 10:03:24 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: linux
Date: Wed Jan 26 10:03:24 1994
In message re: linux , cosmos said:
> All free unixes are *BSD* based.
This is wrong. Linux is written from scratch, using lots of gnu stuff for the
system utilities.
I think Panzer is right, it is just a matter of personal preference for the
most part. Try both if you want to see which one you like better. I've done
this, and have decided the NetBSD is more suitable for my needs.
alex
From htoaster@yabbs Wed Jan 26 10:06:42 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: Bolus@yabbs
Subject: re: Clients/Unix..
Date: Wed Jan 26 10:06:42 1994
In message Clients/Unix.., Bolus said:
> What is the advantage of running a yabbs client?
It should be a lot faster, esp with regards to the lag in typing that a lot
of people notice. It also will let you use any editor and pager you want.
Finally it helps to keep the system load down on my machine.
The only disadvantage is that it takes up a little space on your machine.
Clients tend to run between 100k and 200k.
> Also, is it possible to install NetBSD on my second drive (first drive is
> pure DOS) and still boot into NetBSD? Can I do this without having a
> small partition on the first drive??
Supposedly, but I haven't done it. If you have access to usenet post on
comp.os.386bsd.questions.
alex
From ducky@yabbs Wed Jan 26 11:04:46 1994
From: ducky@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: Clients/Unix..
Date: Wed Jan 26 11:04:46 1994
In message re: Clients/Unix.., htoaster said:
> The only disadvantage is that it takes up a little space on your machine.
> Clients tend to run between 100k and 200k.
Actually, if your system has shared libraries, and you are able to compile
the yabbs client from sources (phred.pc.cc.cmu.edu:/pub/yabbs/yabbscli.tar.gz)
you can build a much smaller client using shared libraries.
All the binaries in phred.pc.cc.cmu.edu:/pub/yabbs/clients are linked
statically though so that they are portable between systems that may have
different versions of the shared libraries.
-k
From cosmos@yabbs Wed Jan 26 11:24:17 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: linux
Date: Wed Jan 26 11:24:17 1994
My lingual mistake! I meant that no public UNIX is really Sys V since the
source for Sys V was and still is "propietary code" now licensed to
novell. BSD releases their source code(for a price).
Cosmos
From cosmos@yabbs Wed Jan 26 11:26:04 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: Clients/Unix..
Date: Wed Jan 26 11:26:04 1994
Hey alex, want to give me the source for the client?? I will see
about porting it to the AIX platform.
Cosmos
From htoaster@yabbs Wed Jan 26 13:11:56 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: linux
Date: Wed Jan 26 13:11:56 1994
In message re: linux , cosmos said:
> novell. BSD releases their source code(for a price).
Well, for free as well, if the source isn't usl derived. This includes the
kernel, the libraries, and lots of the utilities, which is all of the stuff
that NetBSD is based on.
alex
From htoaster@yabbs Wed Jan 26 13:12:36 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: Clients/Unix..
Date: Wed Jan 26 13:12:36 1994
In message re: Clients/Unix.., cosmos said:
> Hey alex, want to give me the source for the client?? I will see
> about porting it to the AIX platform.
its in /pub/yabbs/yabbscli.tar.gz on this machine. If you get it compiled
let me know...
alex
From reefa@yabbs Thu Jan 27 03:57:19 1994
From: reefa@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: bbs software
Date: Thu Jan 27 03:57:19 1994
i havent quite figured out how to quote on this yet.. so here goes anyway!
:)
Well i have got myself a copy of yabbs now, i will probably install it
in the next few days.. i will probably end up emailing you all these
problems! eheh.. cya!
Reefa..
ps: my email address is: reefa@cloud.apana.org.au
From htoaster@yabbs Thu Jan 27 10:07:11 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: reefa@yabbs
Subject: re: bbs software
Date: Thu Jan 27 10:07:11 1994
In message re: bbs software, reefa said:
> i havent quite figured out how to quote on this yet.. so here goes anyway!
> :)
To quote you need to use a client at your end, because quoting is only
supported with external editors.
alex
From abort@yabbs Thu Jan 27 20:39:40 1994
From: abort@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: <no title>
Date: Thu Jan 27 20:39:40 1994
I have two questions
!. where are the documents for the clients. I tried it out, but still
couldnt get to use my favorite editor with it, which is vi
2. ALSO, would it be a waste of time to try and install Linux on a 386
with 80meg HD and only 4meg RAM.
From ziplock@yabbs Thu Jan 27 23:18:25 1994
From: ziplock@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: LINUX BLOWS DONKEY BALLS!!!
Date: Thu Jan 27 23:18:25 1994
In message LINUX BLOWS DONKEY BALLS!!!, cosmos said:
> Alex...when is 1.0 supposed to come out?? What about QIC-80
> tapes...anyone working on drivers/support for them??
Yeah, Jesus Monroy ;)
From ziplock@yabbs Thu Jan 27 23:19:12 1994
From: ziplock@yabbs
To: Bolus@yabbs
Subject: re: Clients/Unix..
Date: Thu Jan 27 23:19:12 1994
In message Clients/Unix.., Bolus said:
> What is the advantage of running a yabbs client?
You will be much cooler, make friends easier, and reduce
tooth decay.
From cosmos@yabbs Fri Jan 28 05:35:14 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: ziplock@yabbs
Subject: re: LINUX BLOWS DONKEY BALLS!!!
Date: Fri Jan 28 05:35:14 1994
No shit, I just saw that flamefest on comp.386bsd over those qic-80
drivers....heh.
Cosmos
From panzer@yabbs Fri Jan 28 14:57:52 1994
From: panzer@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: linux, qic-80, etc..
Date: Fri Jan 28 14:57:52 1994
You could install linux on 80megs, 4 megs of ram without problem. The
usefulness of any unix on that amount of space is kind of in question.
If you just want to get the feel for unix, install away and get used to
how things are set up.
If you want to "run unix", pronounce heavily, then you need more drive
space, more ram, bigger, faster, better...
I run linux on a 386dx40 w/ 500megs HD space, 8 megs ram, I have 32 megs
of swap set space, and I have a connection via slip. It all works great,
and I use a pile of space on my machine. You can get X11 running with
systems utilities, and everything else on an 80 meg drive. Just don't
expect much space left for yourself to compile your own programs...
-Panzer
From cosmos@yabbs Fri Jan 28 19:05:56 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: linux, qic-80, etc..
Date: Fri Jan 28 19:05:56 1994
Well here is my system: 486 DX2/66 w/ 16 megs ram
1.3 GIG SCSI Hard Drive
250 meg tape drive
15" SVGA monitor
I am going to be running netBSD .09 on 1 GIG space. The rest is
dos/windows development. I dont play games or other crap only have ms
word 6.0 and the microsoft c/c++ 7.0 compiler and windows sdk development
for school.
As for the power of UNIX...shit I ran ATT SYS V UNIX on 2 megs ram and 67
meg hard drive on a motorola 68010 processor and it ran smoothly. Sure it
was slower but it was fully functional.
I might be getting a cd-rom drive for cheap and I already have access to
the NeXT step cd roms full developers version so only time will tell...
Linux, netBSD, freeBSD, whatever...it's all better than dos/windows.
Cosmos
From abort@yabbs Mon Jan 31 22:59:47 1994
From: abort@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: yes
Date: Mon Jan 31 22:59:47 1994
Alright. I just installed Linux on my 386 with 4megRAM and a 65 meg
Linux partition. Talk about squeezing it. Of course without Xfree i'm ok,
actually have room to grow a little bit.
I have been trying to get my modem to accept logins but without
success. I have put an entry in my inittab to spawn a getty to watch
the dev/ttyS1, which is my modem. But when I called voice to check
It get an answer. I got the Serial HOWTO and am looking thru their but I
dont see any differences between what they have in there and what I have
set up EXCEPT. they use getty_ps.2.7 or something like that. The newest
getty_ps. Do I really need to get that?
From jcjc@yabbs Thu Feb 3 06:39:51 1994
From: jcjc@yabbs
To: abort@yabbs
Subject: re: yes
Date: Thu Feb 3 06:39:51 1994
well, I had the same problem, just do this:
first, if its linux, then like - take it out of inittab
then, run kermit, or just cat > /dev/ttyS1
then init the modem completly!
then /bin/getty -mt60 19200,9600,2400,1200,300 /dev/ttyS1 &
then try it out, if it works, then great, if not then I have no idea..
check the normal shit though
(i.e,. do I have unix installed really, do I have /bin/getty, or ugetty,
etc...... do I have a modem, is my modem turned on hahhahaha, gets pretty
ridiclous,, any ways. .Hasta
-Call Backwarding-
From CB@yabbs Sat Feb 5 14:14:57 1994
From: CB@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: Linux, Unix
Date: Sat Feb 5 14:14:57 1994
I am running a 386/25 w 4megs ram and 40 meg hard drive, and I am tireing
of the limitations/ lack of entertainment in dos. I can't do anything. I
see all of these guys saying that you need so muc space and power to run
any UNIX. I want to run something. I heard that there is a smaller Unix
then Linux.... Are you familliar, or have you heard of it. I am not sure
what it is called. Gimme some info on what I can run if you have any. I
think I have fallen in love w/ unix and therefore want to sever my
relationship with dos :)
brinx
From htoaster@yabbs Sat Feb 5 14:20:09 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: CB@yabbs
Subject: re: Linux, Unix
Date: Sat Feb 5 14:20:09 1994
In message Linux, Unix, CB said:
> I am running a 386/25 w 4megs ram and 40 meg hard drive, and I am tireing
> of the limitations/ lack of entertainment in dos. I can't do anything. I
linux will run on this, with a larger drive. the memory should be fine if
you don't want to run x, and a 386/25 really isn't a slow machine. i ran
yabbs for a year on a 386/16 without too much trouble, with 6 megs of ram,
and a 100 meg disk, under bsd. linux was smaller (i ran it for a while on
a 20 meg drive without too much trouble, but no emacs (i hate emacs anyway),
so you may be able to play around with that...
alex
From abort@yabbs Sat Feb 5 15:20:35 1994
From: abort@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: Linux, Unix
Date: Sat Feb 5 15:20:35 1994
Actuallty, with that 20meg drive you can put a bit od stuff on thier. I
mean I doubt you can get all the neccesary libraries, and gcc, but
otherwise you would still have everything you get with DOS and more.
From CB@yabbs Sun Feb 6 12:28:46 1994
From: CB@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: Linux, Unix
Date: Sun Feb 6 12:28:46 1994
Thanks. I only have a 40 meg drive and it is [hang my head in shame] a
PS/1. I know, I know, baaaaaad computer. When I got it it was cheep
(sister worked at QVC) and pretty powerful. If you don't want to do much
it is a pretty good computer. Not at all upgradable though. I plan to
work this summer and possibly put a 486 together myself. We shal see
though
Brinx
From panzer@yabbs Sun Feb 6 18:03:08 1994
From: panzer@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: Linux, Unix
Date: Sun Feb 6 18:03:08 1994
This is my dialin line:
s2:45:respawn:/usr/local/bin/mgetty -x 3 ttyS2
It's in /etc/inittab. I compiled mgetty so I can send/receive faxes along
with having a dial-in. Works great, both dialin and faxes. U could try
getting mgetty fron sunsite.unc.edu, or fuck around with ps_getty.
-Panzer
From Bolus@yabbs Sun Feb 6 21:55:44 1994
From: Bolus@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Binary Arith.
Date: Sun Feb 6 21:55:44 1994
Hey, what's the best way convert binary numbers to decimal? Right now I
need to convert a 400 bit number into decimal. Thanks.
(Yeah, yeah, wrong board...)
Thanks.
From zenamako@yabbs Fri Feb 11 07:41:57 1994
From: zenamako@yabbs
To: reefa@yabbs
Subject: re: bbs software
Date: Fri Feb 11 07:41:57 1994
Linux bbs software you say reef muh man :)
eheh, well, as i said.. go for xbbs or ubbs.. actually.. even give yabbs a try.. it's pretty small.. uhh.. :)
oh well
From imran@yabbs Tue Feb 15 09:39:24 1994
From: imran@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: UNIX for 486s...
Date: Tue Feb 15 09:39:24 1994
Hello everyone. Since everyone here is talking about this stuff, can
anyone give me info on setting up a linux or 386bsd or whatever unix thing
that are available. I'm assuming they are shareware or something or
cheap? What options are there and what are the differences. and most
importantly, where can I find them? if anybody is willing to give me this
info then I'd appreciate it if you can post it here or email me:
iniazi@vt.edu
all help will be appreciated...
Ian
From GreyWolf@yabbs Wed Feb 16 21:54:36 1994
From: GreyWolf@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Unix w/ other OS's.
Date: Wed Feb 16 21:54:36 1994
I am still one of those ppl that 1 might consider in the dark, I still
love my DOS. Being a first year student on the other hand, I am starting
to find the use in having a Multi-tasking or Pseudo-Multi-tasking OS. The
question that I pose to you is, is it possible to set up a partition to
have both Unix (or a similar OS) and DOS?
Thank kindly -=GreyWolf=-
From cosmos@yabbs Fri Feb 18 05:56:57 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: GreyWolf@yabbs
Subject: re: Unix w/ other OS's.
Date: Fri Feb 18 05:56:57 1994
yes it is. As to why you like DOS??? Well, hopefully you will see the
light and move on. I run UW Sys V 4.2 on my 486 exclusively, but just
about any major UNIX OS allows you to partition your hard drive and let
DOS and Unix coexist.
Get linux or netBSD from the net and experiment. I would recommend Linux
to total newbies since the install is a snap(lloks like a DOS install!),
netBSD is geared towards those who know a lot more about UNIX. Both are
excellent free systems.
Cosmos
From Fastjack@yabbs Fri Feb 18 18:46:18 1994
From: Fastjack@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: Unix w/ other OS's.
Date: Fri Feb 18 18:46:18 1994
Hey don't get me wrong...
Unix is the best OS there is. But DOS isn't dead and
shouldn't be, simply because it is a simple, single user,
single tasking OS that can be crutched onto a network,
ala netware. It is also all that most people need
(most don't use DOS or ms-Windoze to it's full
potential by any means.) You can't exactly expect to
run a Unix on an 8088 w/ 10 megs-- but this is
still a usable machine, great for DOS text work, file
manipulation, and runs 16 bit progs. People who
can use that effectively can still be more productive
than those who have no clue in Windoze...
FJ
From cosmos@yabbs Fri Feb 18 19:19:52 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Fastjack@yabbs
Subject: re: Unix w/ other OS's.
Date: Fri Feb 18 19:19:52 1994
If you have an 8088 it should be tossed. As for using DOS, the meek shall
use DOS. I think it's written somewhere. Oh, and BIll Gates commands you
to use his products.
I ran a full ATT USL UNIX on a motorola 68010 with 2 megs. The son of a
bitch held 10 users with out swapping...top that. Heh.
To use DOS/Windows effectively all one needs do is get a 29 cent stamp and
mail the damn OS back to Bill Gates.
Cosmos
From ducky@yabbs Fri Feb 18 20:56:07 1994
From: ducky@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: Unix w/ other OS's.
Date: Fri Feb 18 20:56:07 1994
In message re: Unix w/ other OS's., cosmos said:
> If you have an 8088 it should be tossed.
bzzzzzt! wrong answer, thanks for playing tho. . .there is no hard and fast
rule for what should be tossed (if in fact anything should be). . .until about
5 months ago, all i had was an xt. . .i've upgraded to a real <tm> machine now,
but the xt still makes a great terminal. . .even if you don't have the state
of the art, if you are resourceful enuff, you can figure out ways to use what
you have to do things you want to do. . .and that is what it is all about. . .
-k
From JasonLee@yabbs Fri Feb 18 20:59:36 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: Unix w/ other OS's.
Date: Fri Feb 18 20:59:36 1994
cosmos said:
If you have an 8088 it should be tossed. As for using DOS, the meek shall
use DOS. I think it's written somewhere. Oh, and BIll Gates commands you
to use his products.
--------------------
OK, the thing about people using 8088s is that they can't afford a new
computer. I know a lot of people who have to subsist with old hardware at
home or work because they can't afford to upgrade. In these cases, DOS
works fine, and it doesn't matter if you're "meek" or whatever.
In the case of someone with an 8088 at workk, why would they want to try
to run UNIX? Most of the work that gets done in an office is done with
either a spreadsheet or word perfect 5.1. Workplaces are not likely to
upgrade people to some kind of UNIX and also have to upgrade the software
to whatever pathetic version of WP will run on a powered down system.
The point of this is: not everyone can afford to run a hacker/technical
operating system.
I use OS/2, and I guess I'd rate its complexity and usability somewhere
between dos+windows and unix. I'd recommend it for people who know what
they're doing.
JasonLee
From Fastjack@yabbs Sat Feb 19 01:33:14 1994
From: Fastjack@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: Unix w/ other OS's.
Date: Sat Feb 19 01:33:14 1994
The 8088 won't be tossed....
It's being used now as a terminal w/ a 14.4 modem to
connect to the heavy iron....the 486 runs Doom..:)
Also has DOS 6.2: minus the crap.
With a 16550 UART I can even shell to DOS during
a DL without crashing it....too used to Unix...
From cosmos@yabbs Sat Feb 19 14:27:49 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: ducky@yabbs
Subject: re: Unix w/ other OS's.
Date: Sat Feb 19 14:27:49 1994
Yeah okay your supreme lameness. Heh, seriously I really dont care what
you got I was just being facetious. I just dont see the point in having
one these days since a decent 386 is so damn cheap. But, it's your damn
perogative.
Cosmos
From Palisade@yabbs Sat Feb 19 18:00:55 1994
From: Palisade@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: Unix w/ other OS's.
Date: Sat Feb 19 18:00:55 1994
You'r a REAL asshole cosmos and I don't care what you say. it seems taht
all your messages on every base are arrogant little remarks.
From feotus@yabbs Sat Feb 19 22:14:50 1994
From: feotus@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: Unix w/ other OS's.
Date: Sat Feb 19 22:14:50 1994
hheh I find it funny for people to get so riled up over cosmos's remark.
He was bieng facetious. Geesh, talk about a Politically Correct forum or
something. Oh well.
on another less touchy note(hehe) I am running Linux and dos together no
prob. And DOS sux compared to linux, it just sux. Sure it still has some
uses, but it still just sux. Makes me feel crampoed, not too mention that
it alse wastes the majority of my machine and it's memory with the fuckin
640k limit, and the inability to utilize the 386s and 486s in built
multi-tasking codes. I'm running Linux on a 386 with 4megRAM and a 69meg
HD partition with a bit of trimming. like a 10meg swap and I got GCC and
al the development stuff to fit on here as well as various stuff that I
added on. I still have my PCjr and TRS-80 and Commy64 for souvenirs tho.
And until my PCjr decided not to recognize the disk drive unless you drop
kicked it, i was using that as a terminal for my Linux box.
is there a program that wil let a non-Xwindowed Linux box view GIFs from
the console? i have the svga lib too.
From cosmos@yabbs Sun Feb 20 18:11:49 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Palisade@yabbs
Subject: re: Unix w/ other OS's.
Date: Sun Feb 20 18:11:49 1994
*KISS* Right back at you...
Cosmos
From Fastjack@yabbs Sun Feb 20 23:43:25 1994
From: Fastjack@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: x86 Unices multi-user perfo
Date: Sun Feb 20 23:43:25 1994
Okay, Okay....
New thread. Besides Alex, who has some info on how an x86
Unix runs mult-user compared to a dedicated Unix box, say a
sparc? I'm particularly interested in the AT&T SVR4 variants,
like Solaris, Dell, AT&T, Xenix, etc, but BSD numbers would be
really helpful. I'm really worried that the machine could only
support a limited number of users...
FJ
From panzer@yabbs Mon Feb 21 01:30:57 1994
From: panzer@yabbs
To: Fastjack@yabbs
Subject: re: x86 Unices multi-user perfo
Date: Mon Feb 21 01:30:57 1994
well for all you loosers who don't use clients to connect into yabbs, then
consider that as a user on-line. And as I've seen the number users online
scroll my screen, I don't think there is much to worry about...
I have had 5-6 people all running multiple shells/procs on my linux
machine without problem also. You just have to remember what type of
machines you are comparing. A 386dx40 running linux will be able to
handle a lot, but nothing compared to a Sparc 10, try fingering at a
netcom machine at some point... :)
-Panzer
From cosmos@yabbs Mon Feb 21 06:20:37 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Fastjack@yabbs
Subject: re: x86 Unices multi-user perfo
Date: Mon Feb 21 06:20:37 1994
I think they run fine. With the right setup. I have a 486 dx2/66 with 16
megs ram and 540 HD space. I run USL sys v release 4.2 and it works
great. With 5 users I noticed hardly a drag until lots of disk writing on
my part slowed things down. However, I know a site back home that runs on
a 486 66 with 32 megs ram as a full inet site and it works fine.
The high end sparcs are faster, but can you justify the price??
Cosmos
From Fastjack@yabbs Tue Feb 22 00:40:33 1994
From: Fastjack@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: x86 Unices multi-user perfo
Date: Tue Feb 22 00:40:33 1994
Yo...
>The high end sparcs are faster, but can you justify the price??
Maybe, if I can find one :)...
But seriously, which site is it that runs a 486 w/ 32 MB?
I may want to talk with this guy. Unfortunately, or
fortunately, it looks like I may need to have at least a couple
dozen users online, with at least one shell per. I can grab
a SS2 for maybe four and a half, but if you look at the numbers,
those things are a hell of a lot slower than tens. And right
now, it looks like I'm talkin' 10, if I can find one for what
they probably _should_ be going for.
Otherwise, it looks like a 486/dx2-66 running an AT&T Unix;
the latest patch release of USL [:)] or Dell, if I could find out
anything about that. I wouldn't even think pentium until they
finally get that sucker over 100 MHz. I mean, it's supposed to
do that easy, if you listen to Intel [big :)].
If they have the numbers, I guess it would be better to go with
the PC(s) rather than Sparcs, due to availability and resale value.
FJ
From cosmos@yabbs Tue Feb 22 05:13:13 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Fastjack@yabbs
Subject: re: x86 Unices multi-user perfo
Date: Tue Feb 22 05:13:13 1994
The site is genesis.mcs.com you can mail Karl Denninger at
karl@genesis.mcs.com. As for dell, I would steer clear of that one,
nothing wrong with it but it is no longer supported or manufactured by
dell. The latest release of USL is still System V 4.2 but is now being
sold by its new owner Univel under the name Unixware. I have it and I
can say that it is definately a very nice product. Not to mention that it
is dirt cheap among the commercial peecee UNIX vendors.
I wouldnt suggest linux for that kind of stuff you are talking about, itll
come and bite you in the ass later on. You dont want to set up a multi
user site that sounds like it is fairly substantial with a hobbyist
Operating System.
Email me here with an address of some sorts and I can answer further
questions in detail.
Cosmos
From skippy@yabbs Wed Feb 23 23:22:06 1994
From: skippy@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: x86 Unices multi-user perfo
Date: Wed Feb 23 23:22:06 1994
speaking of 486 machines on the net....
there is a bbs, Eagles Nest, which runs on a 486-25. it is also
a regular user machine on the campus where it resides....
pretty impressive for a little 486 i'd say.
btw... what kinda machine is phred?
--skip
From htoaster@yabbs Thu Feb 24 00:30:48 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: skippy@yabbs
Subject: re: x86 Unices multi-user perfo
Date: Thu Feb 24 00:30:48 1994
In message re: x86 Unices multi-user perfo, skippy said:
> there is a bbs, Eagles Nest, which runs on a 486-25. it is also
> a regular user machine on the campus where it resides....
>
> btw... what kinda machine is phred?
486sx/25 :)...
here is the hardware and software setup:
486sx/25, 8k cache, none external (gotta buy some oneday)
16 megs of memory
380 megs of disk (250+130)
3com 3c503 ethernet card (for net connection)
plus lots of unimportant stuff so I can use it (monitor, video, etc)
software is NetBSD 0.9 (pretty much stock, with a few kernel hacks I've
done). To give you an idea of system load, during the last 15 minutes
the load average has gone between 0.16 and 1.11, sitting around 0.50
most of the time. Currently there are about 20 users online.
A 486 really is a fast system, its just that when you start trying to
emulate dos (like windows and os/2 do) you spend so much time worrying
about hardware emulation that the machine justs gets bogged down. Running
a "true" os like unix (this is a religious issue, lets not argue about
it) really does let you do a lot more with the hardware. For the most
part I don't notice yabbs when it is running (this has been changing recently
w/ all of the new people coming on and the associated flooding), even
though I do lots of work on it as well (lots of compiling, and I'm sitting
in X windows about 30% of the time).
Comparison wise I notice very little difference between this machine
and a Decstation 5000.
alex
From JasonLee@yabbs Thu Feb 24 22:41:09 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: x86 Unices multi-user perfo
Date: Thu Feb 24 22:41:09 1994
htoaster said:
here is the hardware and software setup:
486sx/25, 8k cache, none external (gotta buy some oneday)
16 megs of memory
380 megs of disk (250+130)
3com 3c503 ethernet card (for net connection)
-------------------------------------------------
What's weird about this is that when I connect here from my VMS account, I
get the line:
CONNECTED TO PHRED.PC.CC.CMU.EDU, A 386PC RUNNING UNIX
Strange....
JasonLee
From htoaster@yabbs Thu Feb 24 23:11:01 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: JasonLee@yabbs
Subject: re: x86 Unices multi-user perfo
Date: Thu Feb 24 23:11:01 1994
In message re: x86 Unices multi-user perfo, JasonLee said:
> What's weird about this is that when I connect here from my VMS account, I
> get the line:
> CONNECTED TO PHRED.PC.CC.CMU.EDU, A 386PC RUNNING UNIX
well, that is because the OS that I am running is designed around 386 pc's,
and so it probably just returns that.
alex
From ducky@yabbs Fri Feb 25 09:01:30 1994
From: ducky@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: x86 Unices multi-user perfo
Date: Fri Feb 25 09:01:30 1994
In message re: x86 Unices multi-user perfo, htoaster said:
> In message re: x86 Unices multi-user perfo, JasonLee said:
> > What's weird about this is that when I connect here from my VMS account, I
> > get the line:
> > CONNECTED TO PHRED.PC.CC.CMU.EDU, A 386PC RUNNING UNIX
>
> well, that is because the OS that I am running is designed around 386 pc's,
> and so it probably just returns that.
no, actually it is because CMU includes HINFO lines in DNS entries for
machines, and phred's lists "PC/386" as the CPU, and "UNIX" as the OS. :-)
-k
From cosmos@yabbs Mon Feb 28 13:19:11 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Cnews/Tin/trn
Date: Mon Feb 28 13:19:11 1994
Anyone familiar with cnews and tin...I am just working on setting up a local newsfeed for my system only. Like a bbs type message system using the UNIX news format. Ill just read the install files and work from there but I would apprecia
SHould be fairly simple.
Cosmos
From !@#asd@yabbs Wed Mar 2 11:07:23 1994
From: !@#asd@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: linux
Date: Wed Mar 2 11:07:23 1994
hey buddy,
what is wrong with linux???????
its free!!!!!!!!!!! hardly anything better than something free
ever complaion about someone buying you a beer????? not me!!!
Free is Free!
From cosmos@yabbs Wed Mar 2 11:12:35 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: !@#asd@yabbs
Subject: re: linux
Date: Wed Mar 2 11:12:35 1994
Kidd..is this a little attempt at a flame war? ;)
Heheheh....nothing is wrong with linux being free. In fact I love that
part. But for my UNIX tastes it aint worth its share of my HD space if
you know what I mean. For my uses linux is not worth it. For someone
else it may be the best thing since HT added ignore in talk. Anyways, try
and steer clear of religious wars on operating systems unless you are
bashing DOS. Becasue DOS users are pathetic cretins with no hope. But
other than that the UNIX wars will never end and no one is really wrong...
Cosmos
From TARDIS@yabbs Wed Mar 2 13:47:48 1994
From: TARDIS@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: linux
Date: Wed Mar 2 13:47:48 1994
i agree with the bit about DOS, but like i said we are regulated by NASA
so whatever they buy we are stuck with......know what i mean!?!?!
i was thinking about running linux on my machine here......don't know yet
though i am not that familiar with the setup....may need some help!
flame war??? helll no we are on the same side
From CB@yabbs Wed Mar 2 14:10:17 1994
From: CB@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: Os wars
Date: Wed Mar 2 14:10:17 1994
That last one on the religious wars on OSes was probably the coolest thing
I have heard you say.
Brinx
From JasonLee@yabbs Wed Mar 2 16:25:17 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: TARDIS@yabbs
Subject: re: linux
Date: Wed Mar 2 16:25:17 1994
the TARDIS said:
i agree with the bit about DOS, but like i said we are regulated by NASA
so whatever they buy we are stuck with......know what i mean!?!?!
==================================================================
Wait! NASA uses DOS? MS-DOS? No wonder they lost the Mars observer...
JasonLee
From !@#asd@yabbs Wed Mar 2 16:40:54 1994
From: !@#asd@yabbs
To: JasonLee@yabbs
Subject: yeppers
Date: Wed Mar 2 16:40:54 1994
NASA is a bigg freakin user of DOS,,,,,..... the live and die by Mr. Gates
sad but true........... MS-LanManger ACK..... they are not even
considering Novell
damn shame
From cosmos@yabbs Thu Mar 3 11:28:09 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Attention All!
Date: Thu Mar 3 11:28:09 1994
Attention....
I was informed this morning that USL SYstem V 4.2 does *NOT* run on intel
386/486 platforms. Im returning my copy today. Boy am I glad I cleared
that up.
Thank you Cgrinds for informing me of that. ;)
Seriously,
Anyone know of a good PD Word Processor type program for X windows. I
need something to write my crummy papers in and well, vi is just not
cutting it. ;)
Got a source code site for me then mail ro post it here.
Cosmos
From GreyWolf@yabbs Thu Mar 3 17:00:59 1994
From: GreyWolf@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: linux
Date: Thu Mar 3 17:00:59 1994
Did I hear the word FREE?!?!?!?
Well if I did (I know I'm an idiot, you don't have to tell me) can you
tell me where to get it?
Je$u$ love$ you. (and your wallet)
GreyWolf
From cosmos@yabbs Thu Mar 3 19:07:12 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: GreyWolf@yabbs
Subject: re: linux
Date: Thu Mar 3 19:07:12 1994
You want linux??? Okay..... ;)
FTP: sunsite.unc.edu
try netBSD first....but do NOT take this as a religious argument I plug
neither just look at netBSD first and if this is too complicated for you
at this point go to linux which has a much more thorough and beginner
install.
Cosmos
From htoaster@yabbs Thu Mar 3 19:31:47 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: netbsd
Date: Thu Mar 3 19:31:47 1994
if you want netbsd ftp agate.berkeley.edu and look around in /pub/NetBSD.
there is also freebsd on freebsd.cdrom.com.
alex
From cosmos@yabbs Fri Mar 4 05:44:18 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: netbsd
Date: Fri Mar 4 05:44:18 1994
Hheheheh...whoops...I should have included the FTP address too....oh
well...thanks HT.
Cosmos
From NJDEVIL@yabbs Fri Mar 4 08:28:54 1994
From: NJDEVIL@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: linux
Date: Fri Mar 4 08:28:54 1994
F**k you cosmos, leave DOS alone!!
From NJDEVIL@yabbs Fri Mar 4 08:29:29 1994
From: NJDEVIL@yabbs
To: TARDIS@yabbs
Subject: re: linux
Date: Fri Mar 4 08:29:29 1994
DOS is a pain, but it's all some of us have. So back off!
From GPF@yabbs Fri Mar 4 11:08:53 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: Attention All!
Date: Fri Mar 4 11:08:53 1994
hiya cos.... i'd recommend tgif or lucid emacs, theyre both
fairly good word processing packages, although tgif prints out
shit on my printer...
l8r
gpf
From cosmos@yabbs Fri Mar 4 12:55:11 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: NJDEVIL@yabbs
Subject: re: linux
Date: Fri Mar 4 12:55:11 1994
What is this?? Take a sedative for christ's sake. If you get this
uptight over a damn operating system you need some serious counseling.
I suggest some Thorazine.
Cosmos
From GreyWolf@yabbs Fri Mar 4 13:25:54 1994
From: GreyWolf@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: sedative
Date: Fri Mar 4 13:25:54 1994
I have to agree with cosmos... DOS may be all you have ... in fact at the
moment it is all *I* have.. but.. that doesn't mean it is better.
I'm not a DOS basher... the only think that I *PERSONALLY* like to bash
is..... those wonderful things called Macintoshes.. :)
From GreyWolf@yabbs Fri Mar 4 13:29:58 1994
From: GreyWolf@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: netbsd
Date: Fri Mar 4 13:29:58 1994
I'm sorry, this message is directed to htoaster *AND* cosmos.. thanks
guys.
Salutations:
GreyWolf
Thought for the day: disk quotas suck.
Talk amongst ye'selves.
From !@#asd@yabbs Fri Mar 4 14:56:33 1994
From: !@#asd@yabbs
To: NJDEVIl@yabbs
Subject: DOS bashing
Date: Fri Mar 4 14:56:33 1994
take a chill pill dude, I am stuck using dos also....even though i don't
like it. NASA regulations suck!
From NJDEVIL@yabbs Fri Mar 4 16:41:10 1994
From: NJDEVIL@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: linux
Date: Fri Mar 4 16:41:10 1994
I are ok, Just funnin!!!
:-)
From NJDEVIL@yabbs Fri Mar 4 16:41:56 1994
From: NJDEVIL@yabbs
To: GreyWolf@yabbs
Subject: re: sedative
Date: Fri Mar 4 16:41:56 1994
never sai d it was better, just tired of the abuse!!
:-)
From JasonLee@yabbs Fri Mar 4 18:12:04 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: GreyWolf@yabbs
Subject: re: sedative
Date: Fri Mar 4 18:12:04 1994
GreyWolf said:
the only think that I *PERSONALLY* like to bash is..... those wonderful
things called Macintoshes.
--------------------------
Actually, Macintoshes won't be that bad once they release the PowerMacs
and fix up System7 so it includes pre-epmtive multitasking and memory
protection. Those are kinda big things, so it'll probably be a while. A
lot of Mac software is really good, though, graphicswise.
JasonLee
From GreyWolf@yabbs Sat Mar 5 02:18:34 1994
From: GreyWolf@yabbs
To: NJDEVIL@yabbs
Subject: re: sedative
Date: Sat Mar 5 02:18:34 1994
Oh, ok... I was just checkin'..... BTW, check out the Free Association, to
check my current state of sobriety... ;)
GreyWolf
From GreyWolf@yabbs Sat Mar 5 02:21:51 1994
From: GreyWolf@yabbs
To: JasonLee@yabbs
Subject: re: sedative
Date: Sat Mar 5 02:21:51 1994
Ah! I see you are already on a sedative? Perhaps you like the slow motion
of a Macintosh? Perhaps you like to be passified by the
wonderful *IDIOTIC PROOF* Mac, with a wonderful double click system?
Oh, maybe it is the fact that you can't figure out a *REAL* OS, and figure
that you can move a mouse around so therefor can figure a Mac out?
Ok, I'm done... BTW, check out Free Association to check my current
sobriety level... ;)
*Big mother of a grin*
Peace out..
GreyWolf
From cosmos@yabbs Sun Mar 6 14:43:39 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: GreyWolf@yabbs
Subject: re: sedative
Date: Sun Mar 6 14:43:39 1994
I know my way around a computer asswipe and I happen to like MACS for what
I do with them. Dont go starting religous comp wars becasue YOU will lose
tops down.
Get a real OS?? Like wgat DOS?? Because I guarantee that is all you know
from what I have seen. Frankly, you don't know shit to post that kind of
lame ass message bashing JasonLee who knows alot more than your sorry ass.
Get a clue
Cosmos
From NJDEVIL@yabbs Sun Mar 6 22:46:10 1994
From: NJDEVIL@yabbs
To: GreyWolf@yabbs
Subject: re: sedative
Date: Sun Mar 6 22:46:10 1994
Gah!! looks like your current level of sobriety is 0.
:-)
NJD
From JasonLee@yabbs Sun Mar 6 23:19:17 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: GreyWolf@yabbs
Subject: re: sedative
Date: Sun Mar 6 23:19:17 1994
GreyWolf, fairly inebriated, blurted out:
Ah! I see you are already on a sedative? Perhaps you like the slow motion
of a Macintosh? Perhaps you like to be passified by the wonderful
*IDIOTIC PROOF* Mac, with a wonderful double click system? Oh, maybe it is
the fact that you can't figure out a *REAL* OS, and figure that you can
move a mouse around so therefor can figure a Mac out?
-------------------------------------------------------
Oo! That's not very nice! ;) Well, I was talking about improvements to
the Mac. It would not be slow motion with a PowerPC chip running things,
and the OS wouldn't be quite as shitty with the addition of pre-emptive
mtasking and mem protection. The interface is not great, but it's better
than MS-windows, a little more polished at least.
What I use nearly all the time is OS/2 2.11, which pretty much is a real
OS, and which I like a LOT. I'm familiar with a command line, too, cuz I
play with UNIX quite a bit. In fact, I'm probably less familiar with the
Mac than with anything else.
Now, are we going to get into an rgument over the REALness of OS/2?
Ah, religion!
JasonLee
smilies sold separately
From statix@yabbs Wed Mar 9 18:45:46 1994
From: statix@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: detecting SU'ing
Date: Wed Mar 9 18:45:46 1994
anyone got the best way to tell if someone is running a program while
they are su'ed into another account (i.e. root su's to my account
to run some of my programs (so I can't pull an if (!getuid()) raise_hell
type deal) would stat()ing the tty the person is running the program from
and comparing the owner of it with the uid of the person running the
program let me know? If anyone has any suggestions for the best way
to do this, please lemme know.
statix
From rattler@yabbs Thu Mar 10 08:35:34 1994
From: rattler@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: Attention All!
Date: Thu Mar 10 08:35:34 1994
For writing papers, with all the jiggety-thingijamigs of math&science
stuff, you will problably want TeX. You'll problably want Emacs or
XCoral, for writing them. There are loads of TeX manuals around, do
an archie and see what you come up with. Most likely you're university
(?) has some manual on TeX itself.
From cosmos@yabbs Thu Mar 10 11:19:06 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: rattler@yabbs
Subject: re: Attention All!
Date: Thu Mar 10 11:19:06 1994
In message re: Attention All!, rattler said:
> For writing papers, with all the jiggety-thingijamigs of math&science
> stuff, you will problably want TeX. You'll problably want Emacs or
> XCoral, for writing them. There are loads of TeX manuals around, do
> an archie and see what you come up with. Most likely you're university
> (?) has some manual on TeX itself.
>
I have TeX, it's a nice tool. GPF steered me to an X site with some word
processors, I have Emacs and all that stuff. Ill have to check out the
word proccessors in X. basically I didnt want to have to import and
export alot. Ie, write it in a word processor and print it. Of course I
can always do this.
ed file
cat file > /dev/lp
;)
From Fastjack@yabbs Sat Mar 12 20:01:29 1994
From: Fastjack@yabbs
To: statix@yabbs
Subject: re: detecting SU'ing
Date: Sat Mar 12 20:01:29 1994
Hmmmm...
Looks like that would be the best way, given that
SU forks off another shell with effective and real uid
set to your uid...at least on my system :)
If anyone can think of something better, fill me in..
l8r
FJ
From Hellion@yabbs Tue Mar 15 20:03:49 1994
From: Hellion@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: SLIP/PPP
Date: Tue Mar 15 20:03:49 1994
Does anyone know much about SLIP or PPP connections? I am interested in
running some windows applications via WinSock Trumpet *the shareware one
that uses SLIP to connect* My problem lies here : The administrator on
the system I use doesn't seem to want to set up to run SLIP connections
*or PPP for that matter* Anyhow what my interest is, is HOW can I get a
connection to run slip without it being set up. Can it be done? I have
tried compiling the versions out there and running them from my account
and had no luck *the readme's say something about recompiling the kernel
and that is hard to do with only student priviliges* Is there any way
that this can be done? If not is there somewhere I can telnet to that
does support it? I have been trying to get this to work for about 4
months, and I never did hear back from my SysAdmin :-( Please send any
suggestions to : sad8390@nebrwesleyan.edu
I just got on this bbs and don't know how often I will check the bases.
Thanx in advance
Hellion
From JasonLee@yabbs Wed Mar 16 13:41:04 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: Hellion@yabbs
Subject: re: SLIP/PPP
Date: Wed Mar 16 13:41:04 1994
Well, first of all, what kind of serial connection are you using to
connect? What process of connections do you go through in order to log
in? I know I'd like to have a SLIP setup, but since the connections here
are screwy, I don't think it's possible. Here, I'm attached to things via
a 19.2 serial connection, but I have to do this one part where I choose
which system to connect to, and that would probably mess up the slip
thing, since the first menu can't handle multiple connections from the
same source.
Anyway, good luck slipping.
JasonLee
From ASM_God@yabbs Wed Mar 16 21:04:26 1994
From: ASM_God@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: MUDs...
Date: Wed Mar 16 21:04:26 1994
I'm thinking of setting up a dial-up system running under (BSD/Linux)
which offers multi-user chat and local MUD access. Which OS do you think
is better suited to running MUDs? I've seen alot of MUDs for Linux, but
I'm having trouble finding any for BSD. In the past, I've always liked
BSD, but lately, I'm being driven towards Linux because of its
MUDabilities. .
Lates.
From skippy@yabbs Wed Mar 16 21:49:34 1994
From: skippy@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: ethernet for an RT
Date: Wed Mar 16 21:49:34 1994
well.... i got an RT for my club on campus...
all i need now, is an ethernet card... anybody know where
i can get one? cheap.......
i think the RT's ethernet card was made by ungerman-bass...
also, do you know if it will do AUI/10BASE5/ThickNet?
thanx
--skip
From dmonger@yabbs Wed Mar 16 22:40:37 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: ASM_God@yabbs
Subject: re: MUDs...
Date: Wed Mar 16 22:40:37 1994
You can get the tinymush code to compile for BSD ...
i got it compiled for my NetBSD system.
-peter
From Vmax!@yabbs Thu Mar 17 18:31:38 1994
From: Vmax!@yabbs
To: ASM_God@yabbs
Subject: re: MUDs...
Date: Thu Mar 17 18:31:38 1994
most of them work under BSD. most of them are written for BSD.
The one I used was Lambda moo (mud object oriented). the problem with that
is that it keeps the database in memory, and can grow large easily. Things
like lpmud keep the database on disk. If you have less than 64 megabytes of
physical memory, you probably want a disk based mud.
From Fastjack@yabbs Thu Mar 17 20:05:35 1994
From: Fastjack@yabbs
To: Hellion@yabbs
Subject: re: SLIP/PPP
Date: Thu Mar 17 20:05:35 1994
Hey....
I happen to know about packet-driving over serial lines. First- I
have seen *no* implementations of SLIP or PPP that don't require either a
kernal rebuild or loadable module (a la Solaris). These usually have a
daemon running to handle the connection. The lines are usually connected
to a term server that is dedicated to PPP/SLIP instead of one with a menu
that is usually used for terminal access. It could be run with a serial
board in the server though. It requires quite a bit of setup to do on the
server end... If you can't get the sysadmin to do it, it won't get done.
I know of at least one school that offers SLIP access 24-7 on a dedicated
14.4 modem. Depending on where in Maryland he is, JasonLee might be
interested. They charge $40/month and access is, of course, limited to
non-commercial use :)
Fastjack
From JasonLee@yabbs Thu Mar 17 20:49:04 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: Fastjack@yabbs
Subject: re: SLIP/PPP
Date: Thu Mar 17 20:49:04 1994
Ah, see that $40 a month doesn't sound too nice! :) I think I can deal
with the primitive system here for free without too much pain. If they
did set things up for SLIP, I'd then have to buy some nice expensive
software to go along with it (TCP/IP for OS/2 and Lan Manager for OS/2,
and I think I could get both for $250). Besides, I won't be living on
campus next year, so I guess I'll just have to wait till the cable company
offers Ethernet connection. I'll have my own site, and I'll give you all
accounts on it! :)
JasonLee
From yLord@yabbs Fri Mar 18 01:15:09 1994
From: yLord@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: 56K Hardware..
Date: Fri Mar 18 01:15:09 1994
^ Jesus. My name is screwed.
Hey, anyone know where I can pick up some cheap 56K hardaware. THe phone
company is charging outrageous lease prices. Used equipt is fine.
Thanks.
From feotus@yabbs Fri Mar 18 18:42:33 1994
From: feotus@yabbs
To: Fastjack@yabbs
Subject: re: SLIP/PPP
Date: Fri Mar 18 18:42:33 1994
Why not just run a term server/client thing on your own account and just
go thru the trouble of settin gup the desired protocol. I know that they
have IRC clients, FTP, Telnet etc.. ovr term connections already set up.
As a matter of fact a freind of mine runs a little box that you can telnet
too thru a term connection using "tredir" which is a term client that
captures a port number on the host. You have to have Unix on both ends to
use it, so tuff shit if your on a messyDOS box.
Shooot, I have even seen where you can recieve and deliver mail and all
thru a term connection, but for those you need sysadmins permission. But
if your just gonna have a few people telnet to or FTp to your box then use
term, cause you wont need to notifythe sysop, since all the stuff is on
your account.
term for linux is at ftp.cdrom.com, and also ftp.funet.fi i believe.
From buzzbomb@yabbs Sun Mar 20 13:09:27 1994
From: buzzbomb@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: linux, X11
Date: Sun Mar 20 13:09:27 1994
Does anyone have any tips for setting up X under linux? i'm just
starting to try to set it up but haven't been too successful. So far
what happens is the gray background comes up, and I can see the mouse
cursor, and that's it. if i move the mouse around a lot the cursor
will jump around, but it's movements don't seem related to how i move
the mouse! (?) i know the mouse is set up right cause selection works
ok between terminals. my video card is a diamond speedstar pro, and i've
used the timing setups from teh sample Xconfig...?
From GPF@yabbs Sun Mar 20 13:50:02 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: buzzbomb@yabbs
Subject: re: linux, X11
Date: Sun Mar 20 13:50:02 1994
In message linux, X11, buzzbomb said:
> Does anyone have any tips for setting up X under linux? i'm just
> starting to try to set it up but haven't been too successful. So far
> what happens is the gray background comes up, and I can see the mouse
> cursor, and that's it. if i move the mouse around a lot the cursor
> will jump around, but it's movements don't seem related to how i move
> the mouse! (?) i know the mouse is set up right cause selection works
> ok between terminals. my video card is a diamond speedstar pro, and i've
> used the timing setups from teh sample Xconfig...?
i think i read somewhere that diamonds don't work in linux....
the manufacturer won't release the chip spex or something like that...
try pressing crtl-alt-+ repeatedly.. if that doesn't work...
buy another card....
l8r...
gpf
From Vmax!@yabbs Sun Mar 20 17:25:47 1994
From: Vmax!@yabbs
To: buzzbomb@yabbs
Subject: re: linux, X11
Date: Sun Mar 20 17:25:47 1994
X386 uses an Xconfig file in lib/X11 to configure the mouse. The terminal
mouse program probably uses something else. therefore having one work
doesn't mean the other will.
From buzzbomb@yabbs Sun Mar 20 17:29:16 1994
From: buzzbomb@yabbs
To: Vmax!@yabbs
Subject: re: linux, X11
Date: Sun Mar 20 17:29:16 1994
well see, in the Xconfig file, you put in config stuff for everything -
the monitor, mouse, etc... and for the mouse device i have it set to the
same one as i have selection set too, and it works ok for selection, so...
and I'm getting some kind of display before it locks so I don't think
the card will make it *impossible* to use. i might try it with a different
card if i can; i've tried the normal VGA server also, with no success
From washbord@yabbs Mon Mar 21 02:24:38 1994
From: washbord@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: BSD vs. Linux.
Date: Mon Mar 21 02:24:38 1994
Okay, am I crazy to hook NetBSD up to a 56K line? Will BSD be stable
enough to run a multiuser system under extremely grueling conditions? Or
should I fork out a couple thousand for some commercial Unix? I've been
very pleased with BSD but I'm scared of having it choke out on me.
From cosmos@yabbs Mon Mar 21 05:33:21 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: washbord@yabbs
Subject: re: BSD vs. Linux.
Date: Mon Mar 21 05:33:21 1994
In message BSD vs. Linux., washbord said:
> Okay, am I crazy to hook NetBSD up to a 56K line? Will BSD be stable
> enough to run a multiuser system under extremely grueling conditions? Or
> should I fork out a couple thousand for some commercial Unix? I've been
> very pleased with BSD but I'm scared of having it choke out on me.
>
>
Hmmmm....what do you think yabbs is running on?? Why, BSD!! BSD is a
very stable networking OS and you should have minimal problems. As for
grueling if you have heavy users or overhead I suggest mucho RAM and a
fast processor. DOnt expect a 4 meg 386sx to do much. Commercial doesnt
always mean better but it does offer a few nifty features like tech
support for those not comfortable with their system and the ability to
run commercial apps.
I needed the commercial app ability for some work and I bought myself USL
UNIX System V 4.2 for $160 and the C/Motif development suite for $89. I
got all the standards with X and some nifty things like Open Look and
Motif, I happen to love it but will not sit here and degrade linux or
netBSD as worthless. They offer a very practical solution to students
and otherwise poor people that cannot fork out the dollars for a
commercial OS.
I say you shouldnt have a big problem with netBSD. Ask Htoaster for the
tech lowdown on BSD, he's the expert. ;)
Cosmos
From htoaster@yabbs Mon Mar 21 09:11:16 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: washbord@yabbs
Subject: re: BSD vs. Linux.
Date: Mon Mar 21 09:11:16 1994
In message BSD vs. Linux., washbord said:
> Okay, am I crazy to hook NetBSD up to a 56K line? Will BSD be stable
> enough to run a multiuser system under extremely grueling conditions? Or
> should I fork out a couple thousand for some commercial Unix? I've been
> very pleased with BSD but I'm scared of having it choke out on me.
nope. bsd is very stable with the proper hardware. if you're going to do
this i would reccomend using scsi disks (something i need to upgrade to
eventually) because the drivers for the adaptec 1542 card are much more
stable than the drivers for ide cards, plus the adaptec card uses dma which
makes it much faster in multitasking systems.
i know of a public access internet site that uses netbsd to run their news
system and nfs server with very little trouble. they've been running it
since december, and usually get 30+ day uptimes.
how many users do you plan on having on the system? what sort of hardware
are you expecting to run? a 486/33 or 50 with 16 megs of memory, scsi
disks (one gig or so) and a network connection could probably sustain quite
a few users just fine.
by comparison, phred is a 486sx/25, two ide disks (400 megs total), 16 megs
of memory. i allow up to 20 yabbs users (used to allow more and have seen
35 or 40), plus people whom i've given private accounts to. i get pretty
good stability (well, not over the past few days, but i've been doing some
experimenting), and would get much better stability running w/ scsi (95% of
my crashes have to do with the ide driver).
alex
From cosmos@yabbs Mon Mar 21 13:36:17 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: A small Little Thing
Date: Mon Mar 21 13:36:17 1994
#!/sbin/sh
#Copyright (c) 1990, 1991, 1992 UNIX System Laboratories, Inc.
#Copyright (c) 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990 AT&T
# All Rights Reserved
#THIS IS UNPUBLISHED PROPRIETARY SOURCE CODE OF
#UNIX System Laboratories, Inc.
#The copyright notice above does not evidence any
#actual or intended publication of such source code.
[Code Deleted]
I just love those ATT headers. ;)
Cosmos
From washbord@yabbs Tue Mar 22 00:07:35 1994
From: washbord@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: BSD...
Date: Tue Mar 22 00:07:35 1994
I'm planning on setting up an 8 line dial-up system running on BSD and
providing Inet access. The system will have 1GB HD, and 16 MB of RAM,
running on a 486sx-33. The 56K hook-up hardware is very expensive. I
can justify the CSU/DSUs at $400 US each, but how can the IP router be
$1600 US! What makes the router so expensive? Do we really need a
separate IP router? If we can't get the 56K hardware any cheaper, we'll
be forced to downgrade to the >much< cheaper 28.8 hook-up. 56K monthly
charges are becoming very reasonable, but the set-up costs are
astronomical.
Any ideas on how to lower them??
Also, is Phred's lag caused by its connection, or its hardware? What
speed is the connection anyways?
later.
From cosmos@yabbs Tue Mar 22 10:33:33 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: washbord@yabbs
Subject: re: BSD...
Date: Tue Mar 22 10:33:33 1994
I would seriously reconsider the hardware choice. While you only have 8
users there and that is small, a local system here is running on a 486 66
with a 56k inet line with 32 megs memory and is godawful slow. Lag, lag,
lag, lag....
With only 16 on a sx machine I am not confident in the overall
performance...perhaps it wont matter with only 8 connections but when you
add telnet users and perhaps 8 people runnning IRC things might get bogged
down.
Cosmos
From htoaster@yabbs Tue Mar 22 10:40:38 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: washbord@yabbs
Subject: re: BSD...
Date: Tue Mar 22 10:40:38 1994
In message BSD..., washbord said:
> I'm planning on setting up an 8 line dial-up system running on BSD and
> providing Inet access. The system will have 1GB HD, and 16 MB of RAM,
> running on a 486sx-33. The 56K hook-up hardware is very expensive. I
Hardware you will probably be okay, although you may opt for a faster CPU.
Make sure you get a scsi disk as well, disk performance is much better with
them, because they don't tie up the entire system during disk transactions.
Sorry, I don't know a whole lot about 56k costs...
> Also, is Phred's lag caused by its connection, or its hardware? What
> speed is the connection anyways?
Phred's connection is through ethernet to the campus T1, which I think is
only one or two hops away from the backbone. The lag on phred is usually
caused by one of three things:
1) i'm doing something on the machine that causes the loadavg to go high
(i've seen it above 5). usually this isn't the case, and the loadavg
hovers around .6 or .7.
2) yabbs uses character by character mode for i/o. this means that
everything that you type is echoed back by my machine. the reason
for this is that it makes it a lot easier to make a nice interface
(like hotkeys, not having the input line get written over in talk,
etc). this is mainly a problem for people telnetting from far away
or through slow links.
3) our network has been in bad shape recently, and will sometimes drop
my dorm for periods of about one minute.
alex
From TheDev@yabbs Tue Mar 22 13:00:59 1994
From: TheDev@yabbs
To: washbord@yabbs
Subject: re: BSD...
Date: Tue Mar 22 13:00:59 1994
If you're going to invest in a 56kb inet connection, why not invest in
a more robust processor.. like a 486dx266? Most of 'em will run at
80 MHz as a bonus.
The Dev
From htoaster@yabbs Tue Mar 22 18:29:23 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: TheDev@yabbs
Subject: re: BSD...
Date: Tue Mar 22 18:29:23 1994
blah, i wouldn't reccomend pushing processors at all. esp if you are
going to run a unix os, where having the extra speed probably wouldn't be
that useful, and the extra chance of having instructions misexecute could
cause greater havoc...unlike dos unix doesn't spend most of its time in
idle loops waiting for you to hit a key.
alex
From Fastjack@yabbs Tue Mar 22 20:00:33 1994
From: Fastjack@yabbs
To: washbord@yabbs
Subject: Net connecttion
Date: Tue Mar 22 20:00:33 1994
Hola...
I don't know how much your connection will be a month; our best quote
was a little less than a grand. Hookup is is goddawful....in my opinion,
T56 is not the most bang for the buch. The CSU/DSU price sounds okay;
look into decicating a messy-DOS machine with special software in place of
the router. If not, I recommend the Cisco :). Don't forget the little
things: ethernet, hub if necessary, term server/digicard, etc. it all
adds up quickly. I am in the same boat. I'd be interested in hearing
more about your loc. and setup...
FJ
ps: Anyone got any T1 CSU/DSU's they need rid of?
Oh, yeah, almost forgot: If your goin' full commercial, they make ya pay
through the nostrils if they can get away with it...:)
From Vmax!@yabbs Tue Mar 22 21:01:17 1994
From: Vmax!@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: BSD...
Date: Tue Mar 22 21:01:17 1994
besides you can by 4x clocked 486s these days...
From TheDev@yabbs Wed Mar 23 02:37:37 1994
From: TheDev@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: BSD...
Date: Wed Mar 23 02:37:37 1994
Well, I keep the temperature of the chip WELL below the Intel
specified limit of 85 degrees C. I've been running it at 80 MHz
since last June, and it has never crashed once. I even run it in a
highly unfriendly environment - an unairconditioned fraternity house.
Of course, I wouldn't run an Internet service off of it (I'd get real
machines for that) but it works very well for personal use. I can't wait
to sell it and get a DX4-100 and see how high it goes. BTW, I saw an ad
in the April Comp Shopper (p. 136) for a 90 MHz Pentium. My question is,
since the current Pentiums run external and internal bus speeds the same,
how did they get a motherboard to run at 90 MHz? That would be no minor
accomplishment.
The Dev
From washbord@yabbs Thu Mar 24 15:40:12 1994
From: washbord@yabbs
To: Fastjack@yabbs
Subject: re: BSD...
Date: Thu Mar 24 15:40:12 1994
I've been told that one should opt for a faster bus over a faster
processor
when it comes to setting up an online system. I mean how much overhead
can
8 (to 16) put on a system anyways??
Also, what do I need to "make my own" IP router? The damn thing costs
like $1600! It's a freaking box. It costs more than a new system!
When you say that 56K isn't the best bang for the buck, I think you may
be right. We are seriously considering running a 28.8 line instead of the
56K. The 28.8 line is only $400 (CDN) per month. It doesn't have any of
the horrific costs associated with 56K (ie: $848/mo., Leased lines,
CSU/DSU,
Routers, Lease line monthly charges--$200+/mo.). We are just worried that
28.8 won't be powerful enough when we want to expand. What do you think?
Also, has anyone had any experience with satellite Usenet feeds. The
systems cost under $500 and look very interesting. Any comments?
Later.
From htoaster@yabbs Thu Mar 24 17:32:16 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: washbord@yabbs
Subject: re: BSD...
Date: Thu Mar 24 17:32:16 1994
A high speed bus isn't go to buy you a whole lot under BSD, with the exception
of a faster disk controller. However the extra cost of an EISA motherboard
plus a 1742 (eisa scsi controller) probably won't be worth it. The main thing
that high speed busses really help in is video, but since I doubt that you'll
be running X on the thing (or even have anything more than a mono card in it)
I wouldn't worry about it. You can get vesa and eisa ide controllers that are
faster, but i wouldn't run ide in the system if i were you (all of the recent
crashes on phred have been related to the ide system in the machine and bad
interactions between ide, the system, multiple ide drives, and the somewhat
lacking ide driver in free/netbsd). IDE is also much slower under multitasking
systems, unless someone sells a DMA based IDE card at this point...
alex
From JasonLee@yabbs Thu Mar 24 23:32:14 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: Vmax!@yabbs
Subject: re: BSD...
Date: Thu Mar 24 23:32:14 1994
4x? I thought that the DX4 was only 3x...
Intel is pretty lame...
JasonLee
From washbord@yabbs Sat Mar 26 23:49:36 1994
From: washbord@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Adaptek..
Date: Sat Mar 26 23:49:36 1994
Hey, when I buy a >clone< SCSI card what Adaptek model should it be
compat. with?
lat.
From htoaster@yabbs Sun Mar 27 06:20:22 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: washbord@yabbs
Subject: re: Adaptek..
Date: Sun Mar 27 06:20:22 1994
In message Adaptek.., washbord said:
> Hey, when I buy a >clone< SCSI card what Adaptek model should it be
> compat. with?
Adaptec 1542, I think preferably a revision B or C. You might want to post
this question on comp.os.386bsd.questions.
alex
From washbord@yabbs Mon Mar 28 03:21:07 1994
From: washbord@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: Boards..
Date: Mon Mar 28 03:21:07 1994
Okay, I've got to set up a really basic dial-up chat/DL system in BSD.
This time I'm using 8 lines, 8MB, 340 MB HD, 4 2400s, 4 14.4s. Oh yeah, I
need to hook up a Panasonic 562B ROM drive to the system too. What kind
of performance can I expect with a 486 sx-33? Remember this is only
running Chat and DLs. Very basic. Is this adequate??
Thanks.
Yeah, basic'ly, I wanna run Phred on phone lines...
From Fastjack@yabbs Mon Mar 28 11:44:42 1994
From: Fastjack@yabbs
To: JasonLee@yabbs
Subject: Dx4's and such
Date: Mon Mar 28 11:44:42 1994
In message re: BSD..., JasonLee said:
> 4x? I thought that the DX4 was only 3x...
> Intel is pretty lame...
Hehehe, or 2.5 times. Their marketing guys are really stooping...
Actually, Intel processors have some pretty good bang for the buck--
into this I include 'DX4' chips and other 486's, but not the overhyped 586
'pentium'. Intel loses a wad of cash everytime they shove one of those out
the door-- they make it up with the mainstream 486's...
FJ
From Fastjack@yabbs Mon Mar 28 12:02:59 1994
From: Fastjack@yabbs
To: washbord@yabbs
Subject: re: BSD...
Date: Mon Mar 28 12:02:59 1994
In message re: BSD..., washbord said:
> I've been told that one should opt for a faster bus over a faster
> processor
> when it comes to setting up an online system. I mean how much overhead
> can
> 8 (to 16) put on a system anyways??
Not sure about that, but it is my understanding that PC boxes tend
to be lacking in hardware contexts, which is directly related to the number
of processes (i/o streams???) that you can run concurrently. Now, since
it's online, you can comment about 1/3 <?> or so of the daemons out of the
rc files and save some processor and process numbers there. I mean, why
does someone dialed in need to use lpd, except as a security hole?
This is assuming you aren't using the machine as your primary box, or
something...
> Also, what do I need to "make my own" IP router? The damn thing costs
> like $1600! It's a freaking box. It costs more than a new system!
I believe there exists software to turn a PC/ DOS with 2 network cards into
a router. This may not be the best solution; the machine costs money if it
isn't already lying around (and who can't find a cheap 486 with a small HD
and mono VGA?) and if the software isn't PD that would probably put over the
top in terms of expense....just a possibility.
> When you say that 56K isn't the best bang for the buck, I think you may
> be right. We are seriously considering running a 28.8 line instead of the
> 56K. The 28.8 line is only $400 (CDN) per month. It doesn't have any of
Well, actually I was talking about a T1. We were quoted, for a T1, twice
the price of a 56. Then there is 30x the bandwidth (56kbps v. 1.54 mbps)
and alot of room for growth. You have to figure-- If we had to go to t1
from 56, we would have spent enough in installation just to get it to begin
with-- same story with 2 56's. Then you have spent enough for a T1, and got
one fifteenth the capacity...
> the horrific costs associated with 56K (ie: $848/mo., Leased lines,
> CSU/DSU,
> Routers, Lease line monthly charges--$200+/mo.). We are just worried that
>
> 28.8 won't be powerful enough when we want to expand. What do you think?
If you mean a SLIP/PPP connection by 28.8 modem....not bad. Installation
from your point of view should be minimal. Hell, as far as that goes,
multiple 28.8's might be a possibility if your service provider wasn't so
steep... Just remember; once you've got a cable strung to your house by
Ameritech or whoever, you gotta use that line for quite some time to justify
the installation costs....and then you gotta have a machine to use all the
bandwidth.. Catch-22. Gotta have the most bang for the buck on line
charges, then you end up having to grab a machine that can handle hundreds
of connections at once, and then.......
Sorry for the diatribe. Just working out some frustration :)
How many providers are in your area? At least a few with POP's around here.
Some of them have crappy rates. Shop around if it's at all possible....
Update me how the bit with the 28.8 modems go....I have heard inconsistent
stuff about Rockwell and Hayes 28.8 serial flow. Something about not being
able to do DTE/DCE speeds over 38.4 or something...
L8r
FJ
From Fastjack@yabbs Mon Mar 28 12:07:17 1994
From: Fastjack@yabbs
To: washbord@yabbs
Subject: re: Boards..
Date: Mon Mar 28 12:07:17 1994
In message Boards.., washbord said:
> Okay, I've got to set up a really basic dial-up chat/DL system in BSD.
> This time I'm using 8 lines, 8MB, 340 MB HD, 4 2400s, 4 14.4s. Oh yeah, I
Man. I don't know if it would be worth it to use a cheap term server for
the modems, but that would offload alot of the connection cpu time. Scratch
that....are you using an intelligent serial card?
Also, 16 MB might be worth it. Depends-- if you are allowing shell access,
people can have a hell of alot of mem usage. *especially* emacs users :)
FJ
From Hellion@yabbs Mon Mar 28 23:14:33 1994
From: Hellion@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: A few Unix questions...
Date: Mon Mar 28 23:14:33 1994
Okay here is one for all of you Linux gurus out there... What exactily
is term? From what I hear it is *similar* to a SLIP type connection? Anyhow
has anyone heard of a ported version of this for dos? I know you ask why not
just go linux myself? well I have a Compaq Deskpro 386s/20 with 4 meg of ram
and a 105 meg hardcard II, not quite the system for it I don't believe.
#2, does anyone know much about mime? I got a file encoded VIA mime
and have no clue how to deal with it. I have heard meta-mail mentioned, is
this the way? Well thanx in advance.
-- Hellion
From cosmos@yabbs Tue Mar 29 10:10:15 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Hellion@yabbs
Subject: re: A few Unix questions...
Date: Tue Mar 29 10:10:15 1994
Term is an interesting little piece of code that is fun to play with, I
have not messed with it much but it is definately a cheap, free
alternative to SLIP/PPP if you are broke. I understand that people can
telnet to your machine via a port on the host machine.
Your system should run linux fine, maybe a bit cramped for disk space and
X might not be fun to run but hell get that dos shit off there.
Cosmos
From washbord@yabbs Wed Mar 30 01:22:42 1994
From: washbord@yabbs
To: Fastjack@yabbs
Subject: Boards...
Date: Wed Mar 30 01:22:42 1994
About the 56K line. Man, I live in Canada, there is only one provider and
his price is $800+ per month. I think we have to go with 28.8 Optimas.
My other project: I gotta set some teenager up with a Well calibre
system on a tiny budget. This kid wants an 8 line chat/MUD, DL system
running on a DX2/66 w/ 8 MB, 340MB HD, 4 internal 14.4s, and 4 external
2400s hooked up via a 4 port serial board. I pretty well convinced that
it can be done but I'm really iffy about the compatibility of ther serial
board and the >ugh< Panasonic 562B non-SCSI CD-ROM drive! Ewww. What do
you think? I'm really worried about compatibiliyt problems.
What I really need is a nice NetBSD manual.
Later.
From Fastjack@yabbs Wed Mar 30 16:35:25 1994
From: Fastjack@yabbs
To: washbord@yabbs
Subject: re: Boards...
Date: Wed Mar 30 16:35:25 1994
In message Boards..., washbord said:
> About the 56K line. Man, I live in Canada, there is only one provider and
> his price is $800+ per month. I think we have to go with 28.8 Optimas.
I really haven't looked at the 28.8 route. My first quote for 56
was $800/month, too; I haven't looked for better because t1 is only twice as
much. I'm into serial communications; I'd like to know how it goes. Esp.
The modems themselves-- thinking about a 28.8 PPP line for my (and a couple
friends) use...
> My other project: I gotta set some teenager up with a Well calibre
> system on a tiny budget. This kid wants an 8 line chat/MUD, DL system
> running on a DX2/66 w/ 8 MB, 340MB HD, 4 internal 14.4s, and 4 external
> 2400s hooked up via a 4 port serial board. I pretty well convinced that
> it can be done but I'm really iffy about the compatibility of ther serial
> board and the >ugh< Panasonic 562B non-SCSI CD-ROM drive! Ewww. What do
> you think? I'm really worried about compatibiliyt problems.
I *really* don't like proprietary CD-ROM interfaces. How strapped for cash
is he? BTW, I think you mentioned a Canadian (French???) BBS package for
Unix-- I would like to hear of any that have good support for file
transfers- looking for something as quick and reliable as the dime-a-dozen
MS-DOS BBS's for file transfers..
> What I really need is a nice NetBSD manual.
Have you asked Alex about this?
Tell us how it pans out...
l8r
FJ
From skippy@yabbs Fri Apr 1 18:28:32 1994
From: skippy@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: term....
Date: Fri Apr 1 18:28:32 1994
Term is actually pretty cool... :) i use it....
it basically gives you everything that SLIP gives you, without
actually giving you IP. all you need is unix on both ends....
i use it mainly for mulitple sessions.... but you can set it up to
send and recievve mail.. read news... and run X stuf over the connection
you can also redirect ports on the remote machine to yours..... ie.
tredir remote 4000 local 23
so that ppl can telnet to 4000 on the remote machine adn get hook
to yours.... i know someone who is running a bbs over a 14.4 modem
link that way... kinda slow... but it works... :)
--skip
From johndeer@yabbs Sat Apr 2 02:20:04 1994
From: johndeer@yabbs
To: washbord@yabbs
Subject: re: term....
Date: Sat Apr 2 02:20:04 1994
is this PC running an ISA bus? will it be able to handle the bandwidth or
4*2400 + 4*14400? keep taht in mind too.. i'm not too sure how teh serial
card you're tlaking about works, but you may want to check on that..
johnDeere
From htoaster@yabbs Sat Apr 2 11:45:10 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: johndeer@yabbs
Subject: re: term....
Date: Sat Apr 2 11:45:10 1994
In message re: term...., johndeer said:
> is this PC running an ISA bus? will it be able to handle the bandwidth or
> 4*2400 + 4*14400? keep taht in mind too.. i'm not too sure how teh serial
> card you're tlaking about works, but you may want to check on that..
an ISA bus should be able to handle that pretty easily if you use serial ports
with 16550's (they are buffered, and thus will only send out an interrupt for
every x bytes received, where (1 < x < 16), which cuts down on the amount
of time spent in interrupt handlers by a ton).
even without them it would probably be able to handle it okay, there just
might be a higher load on the system.
alex
From Offe@yabbs Sun Apr 3 12:23:27 1994
From: Offe@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: Stopping text output?
Date: Sun Apr 3 12:23:27 1994
Hello,
sorry for a stupid question, but is there a way to stop output of a
long text (at the <slam> prompt)?
From htoaster@yabbs Sun Apr 3 12:33:48 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: Offe@yabbs
Subject: re: Stopping text output?
Date: Sun Apr 3 12:33:48 1994
In message Stopping text output?, Offe said:
> Hello,
>
> sorry for a stupid question, but is there a way to stop output of a
> long text (at the <slam> prompt)?
not at this point. In most of the places where you could get a whole bunch
of text dumped at once I've tried to run it through a pager, so that you
could stop it easily, but the message bases is one place where this hasn't
happened yet.
<slam that key> basically comes from a modified version of puts that counts
how many lines have been printed, and when it reaches a certain number it
pauses. anytime there is input the counter gets reset, so it effectivly
puts paging onto everything.
the problem is that there isn't a way to tell the pager when one operation
started and the previous one (that you want to skip) stopped.
alex
From Offe@yabbs Sun Apr 3 12:40:54 1994
From: Offe@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: Stopping text output?
Date: Sun Apr 3 12:40:54 1994
In message re: Stopping text output?, htoaster said:
> the problem is that there isn't a way to tell the pager when one operation
> started and the previous one (that you want to skip) stopped.
How about allowing one character for non-stop scrolling? (= or whatever),
that shouldn't be impossible to implement?
I guess you reset the counter for puts at every new text that's being printed,
ie, at the same time the "nonstop" flag is cleared if you've set it
earlier? (haven't looked at the source, I'll do so when I get home to my
Linux-box...)
From htoaster@yabbs Sun Apr 3 14:27:46 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: Offe@yabbs
Subject: re: Stopping text output?
Date: Sun Apr 3 14:27:46 1994
> How about allowing one character for non-stop scrolling? (= or whatever),
> that shouldn't be impossible to implement?
yeah, i could do that. i would have to reset the counter the next time a key
is being checked for.
alex
From htoaster@yabbs Sun Apr 3 14:33:03 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: Stopping text output?
Date: Sun Apr 3 14:33:03 1994
In message re: Stopping text output?, htoaster said:
> > How about allowing one character for non-stop scrolling? (= or whatever),
> > that shouldn't be impossible to implement?
>
> yeah, i could do that. i would have to reset the counter the next time a key
> is being checked for.
okay, its been done. i'll get it out in the next client, or if you want to
do it in your own change the line in yabbs/miscutil.c that says:
fgetc(stdin); line = 1;
to
if (fgetc(stdin) != '=') line = 1;
also, its in the client that runs if you login as bbs on phred.
alex
From Offe@yabbs Sun Apr 3 14:49:04 1994
From: Offe@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: Stopping text output?
Date: Sun Apr 3 14:49:04 1994
In message re: Stopping text output?, htoaster said:
> okay, its been done. i'll get it out in the next client, or if you want to
> do it in your own change the line in yabbs/miscutil.c that says:
> fgetc(stdin); line = 1;
> to
> if (fgetc(stdin) != '=') line = 1;
Grreat! :-)
-Offe
From feotus@yabbs Sun Apr 3 15:06:07 1994
From: feotus@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: term ttelnet
Date: Sun Apr 3 15:06:07 1994
I am running term and I can open multiple sessions etc..
but someone mentioned that you can straight telnet thru. Do you mean
spawna remote shell than telnet, or do you mean just ttelnet. I cant
seem to get it working.
The other thing I am interested in is setting up a mail or newsfeed thru
it.
anyone know anything about how to go about that? I tried redirecting my
news port to 119 on my host, but it refused connection, what I need to do
is to redirect it to news.udel.edu 119 or some other public accesible
newserver. That would help.
From washbord@yabbs Sun Apr 3 20:43:35 1994
From: washbord@yabbs
To: Fastjack@yabbs
Subject: Diku/Circle MUDs
Date: Sun Apr 3 20:43:35 1994
Is anyone familiar with the operation of MUDs?I mean how portable is say,
DIKU MUD? Can I just throw it on to a Linux system and have it work for
dial-up users?
Fastjack, are you setting up a dial-up service too?
You might want to try this Linux board at 408-773-0768. I got the
software for it but it seems kind of massive. I'm working on creating a a
decent PC/Unix board to run under Linux. So far, it is going
quite smoothly. THe only snag is the transfers. Right now, I'm
letting users read the files off of a text file then using rz/sz to send
them. Feels real sloppy!. I'd like to get some info on RipTerm. Got any
sources?
Later.
From Fastjack@yabbs Mon Apr 4 11:54:02 1994
From: Fastjack@yabbs
To: washbord@yabbs
Subject: re: Diku/Circle MUDs
Date: Mon Apr 4 11:54:02 1994
In message Diku/Circle MUDs, washbord said:
> Is anyone familiar with the operation of MUDs?I mean how portable is say,
> DIKU MUD? Can I just throw it on to a Linux system and have it work for
> dial-up users?
>
I know of a couple LP MUDs that are running under Linux okay..
> Fastjack, are you setting up a dial-up service too?
Er, not along the lines of what you have in mind. I appreciate hearing from
anyone who wants to say something along these lines..
> You might want to try this Linux board at 408-773-0768. I got the
Hmmmm. Thanks.
> software for it but it seems kind of massive. I'm working on creating a a
> decent PC/Unix board to run under Linux. So far, it is going
> quite smoothly. THe only snag is the transfers. Right now, I'm
> letting users read the files off of a text file then using rz/sz to send
I'm not sure exactly how you are working this. Do you mean
downloading the messages or any text files? rz/sz works pretty well once
it's configured, but their are some places where it is not approproate.
> them. Feels real sloppy!. I'd like to get some info on RipTerm. Got any
> sources?
Haven't seen RipTerm for Unix. There should be something out
there..
If you have access to Usenet, ask around. If it's there, you should get a
response...
Fastjack
From DocSic@yabbs Fri Apr 8 04:59:27 1994
From: DocSic@yabbs
To: washbord@yabbs
Subject: re: Diku/Circle MUDs
Date: Fri Apr 8 04:59:27 1994
Are you trying to add Rip support for your board or trying to get
Rip for Unix. There isn't any Rip for Unix now but there will be with
RIP II.
If you're trying to add RIP support I've got some info that I can give you
or you can get it off the Telegrafix BBS. I think it's listed in the R
IP for Dos manuals. There's no reason why you couldn't have RIP graphics
on a Unix BBS but you'd have to draw all you're screens from Dos.
The only hard part would be adding the auto detection.
From washbord@yabbs Sun Apr 17 23:30:01 1994
From: washbord@yabbs
To: DocSic@yabbs
Subject: re: Diku/Circle MUDs
Date: Sun Apr 17 23:30:01 1994
RipTerm?? Man, is this thing any good? I mean why hasn't anyone created
some sort of stripped down Xterminal for DOS users. RipTerm seems so
pointless when compared to Xterm.
Anyways, I'd loke to look at the dox.
Thanks.
From washbord@yabbs Thu Apr 21 00:04:05 1994
From: washbord@yabbs
To: washbord@yabbs
Subject: Chr by Chr mode..
Date: Thu Apr 21 00:04:05 1994
I'm trying unix programming for the first time and am having trouble
reading single chars properly. I want to have a loop which prints chrs to
the screen and stops if a key is hit. I've tried using fgetchar (fgetc)
but the think waits until a key is hit and enter is pressed. Am I using
the wrong funcs or what? While your at it... I need functions to read a
single chr with no wait till key hit and the complimentary func which
outputs chrs..
Thanks..
From skippy@yabbs Thu Apr 28 15:33:43 1994
From: skippy@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: IBM RT stuff
Date: Thu Apr 28 15:33:43 1994
i remember a while back, there was a discussion about the IBM RT.
Well, my club has just aquired one... and i'm looking for
donations. if anyone knows of any extra RT stuff could be
donated to us (its tax free) please let me know...
mail me at ccallana@gauss.elee.calpoly.edu
thanx
--chris
From buzzbomb@yabbs Fri Apr 29 09:36:54 1994
From: buzzbomb@yabbs
To: washbord@yabbs
Subject: re: Chr by Chr mode..
Date: Fri Apr 29 09:36:54 1994
i'm not sure how to quote here but... "i need functions to read a
single chr with no wait till key hit and the complimentary func which
outputs chrs..." huh? does that mean you want it to read in a
char before the user inputs it? if you mean without an EOL after it,
i think getch() in C, and cin.get() in C++ will do the job for char-
by-char input. and then a while ((ch=cin.get())!='\n); to kill the
rest of the line...
cout.put(char ch) will output a char at a time in C++, is it
putch(char ch) in standard C? i think so.
hope that's what you needed.
From Case@yabbs Mon May 9 01:40:44 1994
From: Case@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Which *nix?
Date: Mon May 9 01:40:44 1994
Welp folks, this sumer I am finally upgrading to my dream
machine.... so I want to run a good free Unix on it and yabbs :)
I have heard about SO many differenet free Unix's out there...
could you folks please help me figure out which one I should
run....which one is more solid, more configurable, etc. etc..?
PLEASE send replies to: stmille@ctp.org
thanks!
From cosmos@yabbs Mon May 9 10:54:05 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Case@yabbs
Subject: re: Which *nix?
Date: Mon May 9 10:54:05 1994
Here we go...draw the battle lines....its a religous flame war waiting to
happen...;)
Seriously, there really is not one "better" or "best" UNIX out there. It
all depends on your taste and preference. Also, what you want to do has
alot to do with what version/flavor UNIX you should use.
Linux....not a bad flavor at all. Highly supported by its users and has
plenty of add on features and all the standards of a sysv type unix.
Problems: It caters to the low end market...ie, people who come from a
non UNIX background like dos. ITs install is painlessly easy but they
bundle everything under the sun with the kernel and all the utilities.
Most of the time, I have spent stripping the not needed crap out of my
kernel when I use it.
FreeBSD: VERY solid, excellent PC unix. Ask HT about it as well. ITs
about the same, not as much user support(ie, there arnt hundreds of kid
son IRC to help you out), but the newsgroups and mailing lists take care
of 98% of the problems you may encounter. It is not intended for the rank
novice though ;) Its install is easy if you can read and follow
directions but there is no nice menu system or other stuff. It has about
the same number of utilities etc...but they are not included in the base
install...you need to get them from the ports and packages directorys.
To get either....FTP to: Linux ---> sunsite.unc.edu
FreeBSD ---> freebsd.cdrom.com
Have fun.
Cosmos
From lastus@yabbs Sun May 22 19:13:14 1994
From: lastus@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Maximus CBCS for unix/linux
Date: Sun May 22 19:13:14 1994
Does someone know where i can get Maximus CBCS fot unix/linux?
If you know, please emal me. Address bigwig@pcuf.fi
Or you can reply to me, but i don't visit here often, n
's better way to email me.
Thanx anyway.. :)
From htoaster@yabbs Mon May 23 07:03:36 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: lastus@yabbs
Subject: re: Maximus CBCS for unix/linux
Date: Mon May 23 07:03:36 1994
i don't think that it has been ported to unix. last time i checked it was
available for os/2 and ms-dos. it comes with c source code, so you could
probably hack something out, although you'll probably be better off grabbing
something like yabbs (or any other unix bbs software) that was designed for
unix and use that.
you might look at the unixbbs faq...ftp rtfm.mit.edu and look in pub/usenet
alt.bbs.unixbbs (or something like that).
alex
From Lvx@yabbs Thu Jun 2 13:44:53 1994
From: Lvx@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: USE SCO!!
Date: Thu Jun 2 13:44:53 1994
Hey all,
Forget about that wimpy pile of crap called linux, who cares that it is
free?? USE SCO UNIX!!! It is the best! Linux isnt fit to use the same
HD as dos. If you want power move on over to where the power is...SCO UNIX.
And to those of you BSD users....its a dead beast. Get off your old
school, hacking techie asses and move up to where the powere is.
SCO UNIX RULES!!!
From feotus@yabbs Thu Jun 2 23:35:05 1994
From: feotus@yabbs
To: Lvx@yabbs
Subject: re: USE SCO!!
Date: Thu Jun 2 23:35:05 1994
SCO?
geesh, give this guy some lithium.
one point aginst SCO in my current economic postition is that it costs
money. Anotehr against it is that i don't get to fiddle faddle with the
source code. Antoher one against it is that I don't have to buy as much
new hardware to runLinux as I would to run SCO, r almost any other Uni.
Also, Linux is mroe of my feel, the whole community things just gets me in
the heart. Of course you could say almsot all the same things abot BSD
too, which I havent hd a chance to play with but am open minded about,
bieng it's free and all.
oh well let's head this holy war off before it starts
From cosmos@yabbs Fri Jun 3 00:53:01 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Lvx@yabbs
Subject: re: USE SCO!!
Date: Fri Jun 3 00:53:01 1994
In message re: USE SCO!!, feotus said:
> SCO?
>
> geesh, give this guy some lithium.
>
> one point aginst SCO in my current economic postition is that it costs
> money. Anotehr against it is that i don't get to fiddle faddle with the
> source code. Antoher one against it is that I don't have to buy as much
> new hardware to runLinux as I would to run SCO, r almost any other Uni.
> Also, Linux is mroe of my feel, the whole community things just gets me in
> the heart. Of course you could say almsot all the same things abot BSD
> too, which I havent hd a chance to play with but am open minded about,
> bieng it's free and all.
Aye m8, SCO is not a very useable UNIX from my point either. Anything
that costs around 1500 for a version with a C compiler with no source is
not worth my time. I personally cant stand Linux, just cant use it
without tearing my hair out. But Ill grant you the community stuff. Its
free, it has source and its supported by better folks than any damn
wankers at a tech support hotline. Although most linux users(#linux)
strike me as a group of clueless idiots...mind you I am not talking about
any one in specifics, mainly what I can witness on various forums
discussing linux etc... Many of my friends and highly respected
individuals swear by it. Preferences vary, deal with it.
I personally am one of those "old school, techie hacker types" that use
BSD. I mainly come from a system v background, have run many variants of
sysv on many different platforms and have had no qualms, but BSD is still
my #1 choice for a UNIX os.
>
> oh well let's head this holy war off before it starts
Aye, dont mind wankers like that. Inbreeding is still a crime in some
places...
Cosmos
From taegu@yabbs Sat Jun 4 04:24:22 1994
From: taegu@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: owner
Date: Sat Jun 4 04:24:22 1994
Hey,
I am looking for a way to change the owner of a file while useing FTP.
I am currently working on a project that requires me to transfer data from
one system to another (ti1500 UNIX to AIX UNIX) but the file has the wrong
owner when it gets there. This is a process that must run automatically
each night (while noone is around). This file is newly created every
night. I have tried numerous things, but can't get them to work.
No, I cant login as the user that it needs to belong to either, because
some jerk set it up a screwy way and to change it would fuck up the whole
system.
Any suggestions?
email me at: brown@jason.fc.peachnet.edu
thanks
-taegu
From statix@yabbs Tue Jun 7 23:10:53 1994
From: statix@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: books for unix programming
Date: Tue Jun 7 23:10:53 1994
Hi,
just wondering what books people thought were pretty
good for doing fairly low level unix programming
(including sockets/rcp/tli type stuff). I have Steven's
'Advanced programming in the UNIX Environment', Rago's
'UNIX system V Network Programming', and a really lame book
by Thomas Yeager. Any suggestions? If its for a specific platform,
thats OK, I have access to most of them, and its nice to know what
the differences are anyway.
statix
From cosmos@yabbs Tue Jun 7 23:47:26 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: statix@yabbs
Subject: re: books for unix programming
Date: Tue Jun 7 23:47:26 1994
In message books for unix programming, statix said:
> Hi,
> just wondering what books people thought were pretty
> good for doing fairly low level unix programming
> (including sockets/rcp/tli type stuff). I have Steven's
> 'Advanced programming in the UNIX Environment', Rago's
> 'UNIX system V Network Programming', and a really lame book
> by Thomas Yeager. Any suggestions? If its for a specific platform,
> thats OK, I have access to most of them, and its nice to know what
> the differences are anyway.
>
Go with the O'reiley books. They are the best in my opinion, very easy
to read and very thorough.
What....man pages aren't enough? ;)
Cosmos
From htoaster@yabbs Wed Jun 8 12:27:06 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: books
Date: Wed Jun 8 12:27:06 1994
I mostly use man pages and whatever cool source I can find on the net. For
instance when writing yabbs I learned sockets by poking around in some
socket stuff I found on the net (telnetd a lot, other stuff a bit), reading
man pages, and for my first intro to them going to the library at school
and photocopying a 10 page intro to sockets.
I would highly reccomend a copy of "The Design and Implementation of 4.3BSD"
though. It is pretty much the only computer book that I've kept in my
collection since I've owned it, along with K&R (new testament).
If you don't like man pages apparantly O'Reilly is making books of pretty much
all of the 4.4BSD man pages, so you might invest in them. Gopher to
gopher.ora.com and look around there.
alex
From statix@yabbs Thu Jun 9 22:54:23 1994
From: statix@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: used vt100s
Date: Thu Jun 9 22:54:23 1994
htoaster-
do you know of any companies that sell used computer equipment,
I'd like to get my hands on a used vt100 term to plug into my
linux box so my friends can play on it while I'm using it. Any ideas
on what kind of prices they may be asking?
statix
From cosmos@yabbs Fri Jun 10 00:18:50 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: statix@yabbs
Subject: re: used vt100s
Date: Fri Jun 10 00:18:50 1994
In message used vt100s, statix said:
> htoaster-
> do you know of any companies that sell used computer equipment,
> I'd like to get my hands on a used vt100 term to plug into my
> linux box so my friends can play on it while I'm using it. Any ideas
> on what kind of prices they may be asking?
> statix
Try reading misc.forsale.computers.other and
misc.forsale.computers.workstations
post an ad asking for ones...you can usually get one for pretty cheap.
I have 12 terminals, but those were given away by the college. ;)
At school, we alternatively wire them from my dorm to the adjoining two
rooms via drilled holes in the wall ;) The cables fit when Mine is in
the corner and theirs face the incoming walls. Its nice...they are
logged into my machine and can do virtually anything, even when I am not
there.
From htoaster@yabbs Fri Jun 10 12:40:56 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: statix@yabbs
Subject: re: used vt100s
Date: Fri Jun 10 12:40:56 1994
look around at schools and companies. a lot of times you can pick up stuff
for free if you ask. sometimes theey might just have broken stuff, but
pulling the board out of one terminal and sticking it in another may get you
a free terminal.
alex
From cosmos@yabbs Fri Jun 10 13:23:14 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: used vt100s
Date: Fri Jun 10 13:23:14 1994
In message re: used vt100s, htoaster said:
> for free if you ask. sometimes theey might just have broken stuff, but
> pulling the board out of one terminal and sticking it in another may get you
> a free terminal.
>
Yep, this aproach works quite well, I am in the process of "negotiating"
some sort of laptop/portable UNIX machine right now. Some sort of
personal thing with a printer built in, floppy, external HD...
Its from HP and it supposedly runs HP-UX from ROM...I have to see that.
It also has a supposed C compiler...should be interesting.
Cosmos
From Zbadba@yabbs Fri Jun 10 16:30:15 1994
From: Zbadba@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: used vt100s
Date: Fri Jun 10 16:30:15 1994
Doncha love corporations?
Right now I'm trying to get my hands on three old HP900 series
workstations (oops, make that HP 9000 series).
Two were CAD stations (one has a 17" monitor), and ther third was the file
server. They don't need them any more, and no school in the area will take
them, so if I'm lucky, I might be able to get them as "salvage" for 3
cents a pound.
Right now they're running some bizzare proprietary OS (I truly have no
Idea what it is, but it has a pascal compiler), but mayhaps I can install
HP/UX on them and SLIP them to the unieversity.
From statix@yabbs Fri Jun 10 23:48:56 1994
From: statix@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: used vt100s
Date: Fri Jun 10 23:48:56 1994
thanks for the info guys
I asked the sysadmin at my school, he said he got a magazine every month
that listed used stuff for sale, and would save the next copy for me.
He also asked that I not steal one of theirs. :)
also: DUMB SYSADMIN ACTION OF THE MONTH
they replaced /usr/bin/finger with a script that doesn't start with
a #! /bin/sh or anything, so when fingerd tries to exec() it, it fails.
I wrote the sysadmin in charge of that stuff, but she has failed to
respond. Can't believe some of these people get paid real money
for extreme incompetence. (At least I figure if they can get a job,
I will have no problem :) )
statix
From buzzbomb@yabbs Sat Jun 11 00:08:23 1994
From: buzzbomb@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: question
Date: Sat Jun 11 00:08:23 1994
how would one go about removing (and deleting all the files from) all
directories that begin with a period? "rm -r .*" would wipe everything the
user was authorized to wipe from the disk as far as i can tell (by
deleting . and .., and everything beyond ..). "rm -r .??*" would solve
that problem but what if there was a dir called ".a" ? I don't even know
if this is possible with one command but someone asked me and got me
curious.
From GPF@yabbs Sat Jun 11 12:00:51 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: buzzbomb@yabbs
Subject: re: question
Date: Sat Jun 11 12:00:51 1994
rm -rf `ls -lA |egrep ^d |cut -b 56-80`
i woulddn't trust that cut will use the exact same arguments
as mine does because it seems to carry different command line switches on
different systems *shrug*
gpf
From Simurgh@yabbs Sat Jun 11 20:22:45 1994
From: Simurgh@yabbs
To: statix@yabbs
Subject: re: used vt100s
Date: Sat Jun 11 20:22:45 1994
VT100's? I have one or two that I use over here. Old things. DEC stopped
offering support for them a few years back. You can find a bunch of
companises that still have them, that will give them to you for free.
These are the TRUE VT100's, not just something that emulates them. I know
Scientific-Atlanta's corporate headquarters has a s***load of them still.
-Simurgh
From Simurgh@yabbs Sat Jun 11 20:23:40 1994
From: Simurgh@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: o'reilly books.
Date: Sat Jun 11 20:23:40 1994
Yah. They can be reached at ora.com, btw.
-Simurgh
From Simurgh@yabbs Sat Jun 11 20:26:09 1994
From: Simurgh@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: used vt100s
Date: Sat Jun 11 20:26:09 1994
re: that HP system.
Right. Don't a lot of the older HP's do that? Kinda like the older DEC
systems that had operating system and all built in? It's nice, you turn it
on and it's instantly ready to go. HP-UX, though? That's really wicked.
There must be some sort of hard disk or something that stores config files
, though. else it'd be a REAL b**** networking the thing.
-Simurgh
From Simurgh@yabbs Sat Jun 11 20:31:40 1994
From: Simurgh@yabbs
To: statix@yabbs
Subject: re: used vt100s
Date: Sat Jun 11 20:31:40 1994
re: Stupid sysadmin action of the month.
Heh... Well, a lot of sysadmins by colleges and universities don't have
much time to spend working on network connections. A lot of the time is
spent getting library stuff to work right, and stuff along those lines.
That's assuming they're even paid to be there full time. A few sysadmins
of colleges that I know are paid part time, while a bunch of incompetent
assistants work full-time. Real sysadmins and netadmins that know what
they're doing and work well get paid a lot. 6-digits, where the first
digit is often a multiple of 3.. :) But ignoring it when someone's nice
enough to tell you about it is really bad, since you can lose data or
something that sue the sysadmin, since you notified that person. The good
way to get through, send a cc: to their boss.
On the other hand, I've seen many people be accused of trying to take the
network down, when all they were doing was reporting a bug. Some sysadmins
think that anyone that knows the first thing about a network topology or
something must be a hacker or something. *shrug*
-Simurgh
From Simurgh@yabbs Sat Jun 11 20:35:09 1994
From: Simurgh@yabbs
To: buzzbomb@yabbs
Subject: re: question
Date: Sat Jun 11 20:35:09 1994
I'm pretty sure invoking 'rm -r .*' doesn't delete '.' or '..'. These
filenames are usually only deleted when you create or remove a directory.
But test before you try that. rm -r .* should delete all files and
directories that are hidden using the .*, providing you have control over
those files/directories.
-Simurgh
From GPF@yabbs Sun Jun 12 11:13:56 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: buzzbomb@yabbs
Subject: re: question
Date: Sun Jun 12 11:13:56 1994
shit..... make that:
rm -rf `ls -lA |egrep ^d |cut -b 56-80 |egrep ^\.`
gpf.... (who should learn not to post when he's half asleep, sheesh)
From GPF@yabbs Sun Jun 12 11:16:12 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: Simurgh@yabbs
Subject: re: question
Date: Sun Jun 12 11:16:12 1994
nope, that'd delete all files that started with a . too....
he specifically said all directories starting with a . and the files in
them
l8r..
gpf
From buzzbomb@yabbs Sun Jun 12 14:02:10 1994
From: buzzbomb@yabbs
To: GPF@yabbs
Subject: re: question
Date: Sun Jun 12 14:02:10 1994
thanks for the help... it was more of a curiosity question than something
i really needed...
From htoaster@yabbs Sun Jun 12 18:16:52 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: buzzbomb@yabbs
Subject: re: question
Date: Sun Jun 12 18:16:52 1994
rm -rf .[^.]*
is a lot easier...
alex
From !@#asd@yabbs Mon Jun 13 08:43:58 1994
From: !@#asd@yabbs
To: Simurgh@yabbs
Subject: sysadmin's
Date: Mon Jun 13 08:43:58 1994
you know sysadmin that make 6 figure salaries? BULLSHIT! If they do show
me the place. I know a CE for Wellfleet and he doesn't make 6 figures.
If you know of some point in that dirrection. I would gladly get out of
the space industry
6 figures (HAH)
From cosmos@yabbs Mon Jun 13 18:00:47 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: !@#asd@yabbs
Subject: re: sysadmin's
Date: Mon Jun 13 18:00:47 1994
Kidd!!!!!!!
hehe, anyhow, I know many sysadmins here in Chicago that make six
figures. Course they are managmement level, but are essentially admins
of multiple machines.
Email me you wanker! ;)
Cosmos
From statix@yabbs Tue Jun 14 11:24:32 1994
From: statix@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: inetd & additional args
Date: Tue Jun 14 11:24:32 1994
I have a question about additional arguments that need to be passed
to certain daemons that are started from inetd. For something such
as fingerd, how does the user argument get passed to it?
Does it try and read a line of text from the socket containing args?
when you finger user@host.domain, does your finger pass
'user\n' down the socket? if that is the case, then does it pass
'\n' down if you 'finger !host.domain'
I've tried looking in a few books, and the man pages, but they didn't
have quite what I was looking for. Thanks for any tips.
(woops , 3 lines up should read @host.domain)
statix
From htoaster@yabbs Tue Jun 14 13:09:27 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: statix@yabbs
Subject: re: inetd & additional args
Date: Tue Jun 14 13:09:27 1994
inet runs a program called fingerd, not finger. fingerd just reads
stdin and takes the first line of it, passes that as an argument to finger,
and exits when finger is done. inetd handles redirecting the socket as
stdin/stdout for fingerd.
You can get source code for all of bsd from a number of sites. Look around
on ftp.uu.net for the BSD Net/2 source, or freebsd.cdrom.com in
/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/libexec/fingerd for the fingerd source
from FreeBSD (which is he same as the fingerd source in Net/2).
alex
From taegu@yabbs Tue Jun 14 17:29:23 1994
From: taegu@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: tar
Date: Tue Jun 14 17:29:23 1994
I am looking for a way to retrieve a file to a different directory from
where it was backed up from. I have tried unsuccessfully to use what the
man pages suggest. This is using the "tar" command on a TI-1500 UNIX
machine. Any thoughts, suggestions, or examples would be very much
appreciated! I need to be able to retrieve a file without overwritting
the existing "live" file.
You can e-mail me at:
brown@jason.fc.peachnet.edu
or leave a message here
I will check back periodically.
Thanks
From Sarlo@yabbs Wed Jun 15 13:55:59 1994
From: Sarlo@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: UNIX is for stupid people.
Date: Wed Jun 15 13:55:59 1994
Why does anyone want to use UNIX??? Its for retards who dont know what
the modern trend in computers is. Those of us on the fast track use MS
Windows and OS/2 to compute in the modern mainstream.
UNIX is outdated and not user friendly. Any operating system that is not
completely user friendly is not a good one. ANy operating system that
doesnt completely rely on the graphical window interface is not good either.
Stop using UNIX, Linux, whatever, move up to a more powerful and modern
development platform. Windows or WIndows NT!!
From GPF@yabbs Wed Jun 15 14:56:25 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: Sarlo@yabbs
Subject: re: UNIX is for stupid people.
Date: Wed Jun 15 14:56:25 1994
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
oh, this is too much, did it ever occur to you that without Unix you would
still be at home inbreeding with the rest of your wanker family instead of
on this board? did it ever occur to you that without unix there would BE
no internet? no, it probably didn't did it?
ah well, have a nice "life"
-gpf
From cosmos@yabbs Wed Jun 15 15:00:04 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Sarlo@yabbs
Subject: re: UNIX is for stupid people.
Date: Wed Jun 15 15:00:04 1994
In message UNIX is for stupid people., Sarlo said:
>
> Why does anyone want to use UNIX??? Its for retards who dont know what
> the modern trend in computers is. Those of us on the fast track use MS
> Windows and OS/2 to compute in the modern mainstream.
The fast track....yeah, to /dev/null
>
> UNIX is outdated and not user friendly. Any operating system that is not
> completely user friendly is not a good one. ANy operating system that
> doesnt completely rely on the graphical window interface is not good either.
>
So UNIX is not a good os because your stupid pathetic wanker arse can't make
heads or tails of it?? I don't think so m8. As for the graphic
interface shit....
>
> Stop using UNIX, Linux, whatever, move up to a more powerful and modern
> development platform. Windows or WIndows NT!!
>
Been blowing Bill Gates recently?? Fuck windows.
Yet another clueless wanker posting drivel...
From Xela@yabbs Wed Jun 15 15:26:00 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: Sarlo@yabbs
Subject: re: UNIX is for stupid people.
Date: Wed Jun 15 15:26:00 1994
You wouldn't happen to be getting a salary from a Mr. B. Gates, would you?
From Natalie@yabbs Wed Jun 15 16:25:35 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Sarlo@yabbs
Subject: re: UNIX is for stupid people.
Date: Wed Jun 15 16:25:35 1994
idiot. although i do use windows, it's not by choice. my dad is a
programmer and i use what he uses. it's cheaper taht way. and i don't
have the time to learn an entire new os. i;m a very busy gal. but i do
have a unix accoutn on the mainframe at school, and i am slowly but surely
learning how to do things with it. i don't especially like user friendly
anyhow...it's more fun to figure it out by yourself...buthey, that's just
my opinion.
natalie
From Jeremiah@yabbs Wed Jun 15 17:47:17 1994
From: Jeremiah@yabbs
To: Sarlo@yabbs
Subject: re: UNIX is for stupid people.
Date: Wed Jun 15 17:47:17 1994
If Unix is so hard, then why do you need a GUI like Windows or DOS
which dosen't even use the full compacity of your computer not to mention
that is slooooow as hell... If Windows is the future of computers, I'll
GLADLY stay here in the past.....
Some people use computers for differnt things... Ever try
multitasking under Windows??? It's as smart as going skinnydipping in
shark infested waters... And DOS is just as bad... Jesus, you need a
memory program such as QEMM to even get DOS to use your upper memory...
THe only Good multitasking program under DOS that I can think of is
DesqView, and it is limited by DOS....
Hell, I would think you'd at least say something intelligent besides,
"Gee, Dos is easy to use... Windows has a GUI... Unix is too hard for me
to use.... I think Unix is for idiots..."....
I hate to use the famous expression, but "Get a Clue Lamer!"
From htoaster@yabbs Wed Jun 15 20:34:51 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: winnt vs unix
Date: Wed Jun 15 20:34:51 1994
I won't even justify Windows enough to consider it as a usable system.
However having used unix (and unixlike systems) extensivly, and now using
Windows NT at microsoft for my work here are a few of my impressions as
to plus and minuses of each:
Windows NT:
pluses:
- user interface is easier at first
- windows networked file systems are a lot easier to setup/use than
NFS (which is the most widely used unix networked file system).
- user interface is more consistant
- tons of apps work with it (and lots of good ones, like MS Word)
- much better kernel design (microkernels are the way of the future).
minuses:
- it isn't very customizable. for instance I hate title bars, I'd rather
have the extra screen space for my own use. not possible on NT (without
hacks).
- everything i do is done on my machine. i can't telnet to other machines
to remotely use them (but i can mount there disks if i just need to get
to data on them). In addition my email can only be accessed on it,
and all of my code is kept there. not really distributed, the way
unix can be...
- with the default setup it is easy for a user to fuck himself. just
go remove the wrong file and your system is hosed (on unix most of
the files on the disk are r/w for root only).
Unix:
pluses:
- remote connections are cool (how do you think you get to yabbs :))
- i can customize the hell out of my interface (under X I can use whatever
window manager I want, any shell, whatever).
- killing the system (unless you're root) is difficult to impossible.
minuses:
- the kernel design really is bad...monolithic just doesn't make sense
anymore. and i shouldn't have to recompile kernel to add/remove device
drivers
- much harder to learn in the first place
In general unix makes much more sense for a multiuser system, Windows NT
just wasn't designed to be that. However Windows NT is a nice desktop
OS, esp in a corporate environment.
Also in general people can run unix on a lesser machine. BSD and Linux
are both very reasonable on a 386/33 with 8megs, but Windows NT really
needs a 486/33 and 16 megs minumum (3.1 isn't too useful with more, but
3.5 (which will be out soon) is much better with respect to memory).
alex
From dmonger@yabbs Wed Jun 15 23:08:30 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: Sarlo@yabbs
Subject: re: UNIX is for stupid people.
Date: Wed Jun 15 23:08:30 1994
Sorry, I just have to get this off my chest:
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
hee hee hee
ho ho ho ...
stop, i'll pee
okay, anyway:
DOS is a program loader for the most part ... its not ment to be a full-blown
OS, and it doesn't do a damn good job of it IMHO
Windows is a program loader with pretty pictures. Agreed the standard user
interface makes it much easier to figure out programs ... but once you leanr
the program it can actually slow you down.
Haven't played with NT too much, but the copy my friend got off his CD-ROM
ate itself several times.
They all have advantages and drawbacks ... but just off hand i can tell you
i wouldn't have gotten my job this summer if i hadn't had all my UNIX
experience. Not matter what the future direction may be i'm personally
happy sticking with the system that I find most powerful NOW.
Si'des ... from my work at Bellcore, i can't picture telephone service nodes
running under windows (god, that's a scary thought).
-peter
From Natalie@yabbs Thu Jun 16 00:05:09 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: re: UNIX is for stupid people.
Date: Thu Jun 16 00:05:09 1994
um...my dad has programmed for the phone company using Windows...he writes
networks...he also did something with automating call waiting and other
services that the phone company has, like it usedto take a really long
time before you got your call waitingwhen you ordered it, now a computer
does it...my dad did that....well, for ameritech anyhow...my dad is
smart...heheh but he doesn't use NT here at home, he says there's a lot
ofproblems with it...i seem to remember that when he first got it, it
would crash a lot...but hey, this is just my $.02 worth...(and btw, my dad
does know other systems, like unix, but he chooses windows...i dunno why
tho....)
natalie
From Jeremiah@yabbs Thu Jun 16 00:11:33 1994
From: Jeremiah@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: Reasons to choose windoze..
Date: Thu Jun 16 00:11:33 1994
Well, if he gets paid by the hour, hell, Windows is the way to go!!!
From htoaster@yabbs Thu Jun 16 12:30:51 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: Jeremiah@yabbs
Subject: re: Reasons to choose windoze..
Date: Thu Jun 16 12:30:51 1994
WinNT 3.5 beta is actually pretty stable...I haven't used 3.1 (whats out
there now) at all, so I can't really comment on it. There are sites
that run mission critical apps on it though...
and just for the record, I haven't crashed my NT box yet...
alex
From dmonger@yabbs Thu Jun 16 22:49:12 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: UNIX is for stupid people.
Date: Thu Jun 16 22:49:12 1994
SPACE is your friend ...
but ameritech isn't running the systems that make the phone system work
(switches, services nodes, etc) on Windows boxes unless the technology has
changed that much in the last couple years.
-peter
(ps. nat, ask your dad if he was using SPACE ... i'm pretty sure that's the
system i saw while at Bellcore).
From Justbob@yabbs Sat Jun 18 12:24:13 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: Sarlo@yabbs
Subject: re: UNIX is for stupid people.
Date: Sat Jun 18 12:24:13 1994
Sorry, just gotta throw in my $.02
What have you been smoking?
I could recount all the points everyone else has made but that seems
rather redundant so i'll try and be sort of original here (try i say:)
I think it's important to remember that DOS was originally designed on a
UNIX box and that means it's is less than unix, also, in the past years,
DOS has been moving _closer_ to unix (file handles, the command structure,
hardware interfaces, etc...) and since windoze runs on top of DOS, that
means it is also a less than unix.
As for OS/2, i'll say it is nice when you got the presentation manager
open, but remember OS/2 also has a CLI, making it very much like unix with
the option of CLI or X. And if you want to run X remotely, you can
get remote X clients, (which is a lot more economical than getting OS/2
and mounting a remote drive on the desktop)
And like htoaster pointed out, if the others are so much better, then how
come UNIX achieves similar results with so much less overhead?
Mind you, i have nothing against a good GUI, but so far, the only one i
(ones that is) think are mature enuff are X and OS/2, and OS/2 still
requires immense resourcews (unless you are comparing it to NT;)
From Jeremiah@yabbs Mon Jun 20 01:30:30 1994
From: Jeremiah@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: I'm a stupid person...
Date: Mon Jun 20 01:30:30 1994
Ok, for some reason The Slackware version of Linux 1.2 didn't want to
install onto my computer.... I've tinkered with it for more than 2 dayz
now, and I fell it's time to try something else. I believe the problem is
in my SCSI controller card. It stores all of it's info not in the BIOS,
so even DOS diognostics has problems detecting it sometimes. Can someone
tell me a little about FreeBSD, it's space requirement, and so on?
Thanks.
From Famine@yabbs Mon Jun 20 12:05:58 1994
From: Famine@yabbs
To: Justbob@yabbs
Subject: re: UNIX is for stupid people.
Date: Mon Jun 20 12:05:58 1994
Yes, I think I agree with you, on that view but, you didn't really
consider the reliability aspect of unix versus Windows NT, or also the
fact that code written under dos or windows suffers from the architecture
being very recursion unfriendly.
Another point to consider would be the scalability of unix i.e. it runs on
everything to super computers, with vastly differing architectures, I
think dos would find it very difficult to handle a full vector processor.
Ok UNIX is unfriendly, unless you want to use X, or some front end, but
you have to remember it wasn't designed in the days that the word gui
could be used to non-tech people and they might have a chance of knowing
what you mean.
To be honest I prefer the horses for courses approach, i.e. client server
networks, with p.c. where necessery running X, far nicer.
Famine >:^>
From draven@yabbs Mon Jun 20 14:00:14 1994
From: draven@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Hmm...
Date: Mon Jun 20 14:00:14 1994
Did I come at a bad time, or is this debate an ongoing thing?
From GPF@yabbs Mon Jun 20 14:50:49 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: Justbob@yabbs
Subject: re: UNIX is for stupid people.
Date: Mon Jun 20 14:50:49 1994
Justbob wrote:
> I think it's important to remember that DOS was originally designed on a
> UNIX box and that means it's is less than unix, also, in the past years,
this is a joke, right? please tell me this is a joke........
and if it's not... you're saying that something developed on a system
will always be worse than the original system?? huh??
so, under your theory, Unix was developed under TOS (the ultime os) which
no logner exists, but it had to have been better than unix or unix
couldn't haave been written under it, right? sheeesh
this crap is almost as bad as the origial posters'.....
l8r... gp
From Justbob@yabbs Mon Jun 20 15:15:58 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: GPF@yabbs
Subject: re: UNIX is for stupid people.
Date: Mon Jun 20 15:15:58 1994
No i'm not saying that it's impossible for the system to improve over
time, but DOS has only been around for about 15 years now and the hardware
didn't really improve enuff to support vast improvements in the OS until
the mid 80s when we got to the AT
What i'm saying is there has been insufficient time for dos to improve and
as of yet, it's still trying to copy unix but only partially which means
it is still less of an OS
From GPF@yabbs Mon Jun 20 16:58:19 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: Justbob@yabbs
Subject: re: UNIX is for stupid people.
Date: Mon Jun 20 16:58:19 1994
nonsense.... 15 years is MORE than enough time for dos to have become
something more than a program loader (can you say os/2?) the reason is
that there has never been any real competition to good ol' dos so there
was subsequently no reason for them to change it...... the increasing
popularity of dr.dos (now knows as novell dos) promppted microsoft to
bloat their dos equally, with all sorts of idiotic disk compression
utilities and things.... now microsoft sees some REAL competition
_starting_ to appear (os/2, taligent(vaporware), mabye some unix(who
knows?) so they have been forced to get off their butts and slap together
windoze nt and chicago. oh, and to your point about ms wanting dos to look
like unix, that's ridiculous... microsoft wants everything they sell to be
easy to use for the moron market (did any of you see the mouse tutorial in
windoze 3.1? sheeeeeeesh) and unix ain't exactly known for being
luser-friendly....
oh well, i seem to have drifted off topic here... ln -s /dev/null
~/mail/flames
l8r.... gp
From Justbob@yabbs Mon Jun 20 18:39:59 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: GPF@yabbs
Subject: re: UNIX is for stupid people.
Date: Mon Jun 20 18:39:59 1994
Yes, and the reason OS/2 is a real OS is because they didn't model the OS
after another operating system. DOS is still trying to be a half-assed
unix
And i didn't say _look_ like it, i said it is like it.
The DOS interface (low level, like int 21h calls, etc) is very much so
like UNIX. It started out being more like CP/M and as the hardware
progressed it has adopted UNIX things. For example the use of file
handles, and getting away from doing everything with BIOS calls
From Natalie@yabbs Mon Jun 20 19:51:22 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: GPF@yabbs
Subject: re: UNIX is for stupid people.
Date: Mon Jun 20 19:51:22 1994
a moron, that's me
heheh
natalie
From htoaster@yabbs Mon Jun 20 20:21:58 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: unix vs dos
Date: Mon Jun 20 20:21:58 1994
argh...
everyone go learn your unix api's and dos api's and come back then...unix
and dos are completely different designs...yes, dos adapoted the tree structed
file system of unix, but that is about it...the way the two file systems are
laid out on disk is totally different...
if you really want to have this argument i'd reccomend going to your local
university library and getting a book on operating system design...i
personally like "Modern Operating Systems" by Tanebaum (spelling?). in the
back it has a history of both ms-dos and unix (and cooler stuff like mach),
so read those...
btw, the main problem with dos is that it wasn't designed to scale to todays
computing systems. its memory managment is designed around the segmented
architecture of 8086's, not the paged systems that most current processors
use (or the paged-segmented system of the 386/486). pointers are usually
kept in reference to the local segment, and segment sizes are 64k, which makes
dealing with more memory more of a pain (yes, FAR pointers work around that)...
and it just doesn't have a no-brainer interface to accessing more than 640k
of memory.
alex
From cosmos@yabbs Tue Jun 21 00:29:32 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Jeremiah@yabbs
Subject: re: I'm a stupid person...
Date: Tue Jun 21 00:29:32 1994
In message I'm a stupid person..., Jeremiah said:
> Ok, for some reason The Slackware version of Linux 1.2 didn't want to
> install onto my computer.... I've tinkered with it for more than 2 dayz
> now, and I fell it's time to try something else. I believe the problem is
> in my SCSI controller card. It stores all of it's info not in the BIOS,
> so even DOS diognostics has problems detecting it sometimes. Can someone
> tell me a little about FreeBSD, it's space requirement, and so on?
> Thanks.
Ive finally found someone who cant install linux....
(just kidding m8)
Anyhow, youll have the same problems with FreeBSD with that annoying BIOS
quirk and it only supports the robust SCSI standard controllers like
adaptec, ultrastor or buslogic.
I wont even try and start the war over OS on this one...;)
Cosmos
From Justbob@yabbs Tue Jun 21 15:08:33 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: stuff
Date: Tue Jun 21 15:08:33 1994
my last comment on the subject of dos vs. unix: I'm not saying that DOS
attempted to adopt the file sturcture of unix either, i'm saying the
interface (ie, using streams instead just i/o directly to and from buffers
and the relatively new adition of share.exe which now allows you to do
file locking just as in unix, in fact, you even use the same functions...)
But my real question is, can you install FreeBSD on MCA? (or did i already
ask that...hrmmm)
From Jeremiah@yabbs Tue Jun 21 17:38:38 1994
From: Jeremiah@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: I guess it would help...
Date: Tue Jun 21 17:38:38 1994
If I found out what kind of controller I even have...:-). Maybe, then
I COULD figure out a way to get Linux to work... Oh well, I guess I'm
stuck using DOS a little while longer....
From htoaster@yabbs Tue Jun 21 20:34:01 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: Justbob@yabbs
Subject: re: stuff
Date: Tue Jun 21 20:34:01 1994
right now there aren't any free unix's that support MCA...
alex
From Justbob@yabbs Wed Jun 22 00:39:55 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: stuff
Date: Wed Jun 22 00:39:55 1994
geee....why doesn't that surrise me?
*sigh*
*hasn't the $$ to shell out for AIX*
From Justbob@yabbs Fri Jun 24 00:13:10 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: stuff
Date: Fri Jun 24 00:13:10 1994
but i _like_ my MCA machine...
When i get the bucks i'm gonna get a 486 clone, but you can bet i'm gonna
keep my PS/2 (ps/2 clone actually..one of the few MCA clones out
there....leave up to NCReh;)
er...add a space there--^
From htoaster@yabbs Fri Jun 24 11:54:00 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: Justbob@yabbs
Subject: re: stuff
Date: Fri Jun 24 11:54:00 1994
NCR still makes those MCA machines too...we have a couple of multiprocessor
NCR 486's around here (and a 4processor alpha, thats a cool machine)...
I think IBM licensed MCA to whoever wanted it, but the industry just turned
around and came up with EISA (and later PCI, which even IBM is moving to
instead of MCA on their PC machines)
alex
From cosmos@yabbs Fri Jun 24 13:48:32 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Justbob@yabbs
Subject: re: stuff
Date: Fri Jun 24 13:48:32 1994
In message re: stuff, Justbob said:
> but i _like_ my MCA machine...
> When i get the bucks i'm gonna get a 486 clone, but you can bet i'm gonna
> keep my PS/2 (ps/2 clone actually..one of the few MCA clones out
> there....leave up to NCReh;)
> er...add a space there--^
Then quit bitching wanker.
Cosmos
From Justbob@yabbs Fri Jun 24 23:47:15 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: stuff
Date: Fri Jun 24 23:47:15 1994
Actually, no, IBM charged royalties or at least a one time licensing fee
forMCA, and it was _steep_. That's why so few bought into it, however,
NCR, being the type of ppl they are had to have the best. And they make
some really hot boxes...Wish i had one of those multiprocessor 486s
(didn't know they were in on the alpha market tho)
EISA was an attempt by the 3rd party comp mfgrs to turn around and say
see, we don't need MCA, go to hell
But this doesn't realy have much to do with unix does it?
*thinks we needs a PC base or at least hardware*
From htoaster@yabbs Sat Jun 25 18:43:11 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: Justbob@yabbs
Subject: re: stuff
Date: Sat Jun 25 18:43:11 1994
the multiprocessor alpha we have is made by dec, not ncr...our three
multiprocessor machines are: 4 486/66 NCR, 4 pentium Wyse, and a 4alpha
dec thing...all running windows nt (since i work in the systems group
at microsoft)...
anyway, i did mean to say that ibm would license MCA...it still costs a ton...
doesn't matter, PCI is here now, and it looks like everyone and their mother
will jump toit...
this base works okay for hardware...since its low traffic anyway...
alex
From elixirio@yabbs Sat Jun 25 21:24:18 1994
From: elixirio@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: X.25
Date: Sat Jun 25 21:24:18 1994
DOU YOY KNOW HOW CAN I ACCESS X.25 FROM UNIX ?
From Justbob@yabbs Sat Jun 25 22:42:30 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: elixirio@yabbs
Subject: re: X.25
Date: Sat Jun 25 22:42:30 1994
DOU YOY KNOW HOW CAN I ACCESS X.25 FROM UNIX ?
Fraid not, but i suppose i should tel you right now (probably get flamed
anyhow, but...heh..whatever)
Anyhow, don't YELL, SOME PPL FIND it very annoying
No reason not to go with PCI, even with a DX4 100, MCA is just getting up
there to PCI/VLB throughput rates.
Really, there's no reason not to, i think the only thing that's
beeng IBM from going with EISA is that it's really just a kludge and is
still very much ISAish underneath.
With an open , fully arbitrated bus with guaranteed throughput on each and
every channel at once, there's no reason not to. Plus i think they've
learned the value of an open standard.
Just my $.02
From cosmos@yabbs Mon Jun 27 01:36:53 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: elixirio@yabbs
Subject: re: X.25
Date: Mon Jun 27 01:36:53 1994
In message X.25, elixirio said:
> DOU YOY KNOW HOW CAN I ACCESS X.25 FROM UNIX ?
You need to access your caps-lock key and turn it off first.
Then try a large caliber hand gun at close range and spare us.
Cosmos
From Natalie@yabbs Mon Jun 27 02:07:51 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: X.25
Date: Mon Jun 27 02:07:51 1994
*falls off her chair cause she's laughing so hard*
natalie
From pnovak@yabbs Mon Jun 27 22:19:34 1994
From: pnovak@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: X.25
Date: Mon Jun 27 22:19:34 1994
pno wonders why interesting stuff of this base seems to be
continually intertwined with **** from ****s, like previous
to Nat's who's prob'ly knocked off by her chairy fall.
maybe I missed some ***'s somewhere...
From GPF@yabbs Mon Jun 27 22:49:55 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: pnovak@yabbs
Subject: re: X.25
Date: Mon Jun 27 22:49:55 1994
on Mon Jun 27 22:19:34 1994 a clueless fuckwad wrote:
> pno wonders why interesting stuff of this base seems to be
> continually intertwined with **** from ****s, like previous
> to Nat's who's prob'ly knocked off by her chairy fall.
> maybe I missed some ***'s somewhere...
what the fuck?
yeah, you missed some ***'s somewhere, you shoulda just written 215 bytes
of *'s it would made a lot more sense.... back to houked on fonickz pal
...gpf
From elixirio@yabbs Tue Jun 28 08:35:52 1994
From: elixirio@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: X.25
Date: Tue Jun 28 08:35:52 1994
AFTER TRYING A LARGE CALIBER HAND GUN AT CLOSE RANGE I FOUND OUT THAT
PAD IS THE RIGHT COMMAND .
AS YOU CAN SEE I'M STILL LOOKING FOR THE CAPS LOCK KEY ,BUT I'M SURE
I 'LL FIND IT .THANKS FOR THE TIME YOU LOST WITH ME !
Elixirio.
(Oh that's the CAPS LOCK Key)
From musafir@yabbs Tue Jun 28 20:18:26 1994
From: musafir@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: um
Date: Tue Jun 28 20:18:26 1994
hmm.
yabbs doesn't seem to let me use my .emacs file or something.
grr.
hate ^H
From htoaster@yabbs Tue Jun 28 20:46:19 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: musafir@yabbs
Subject: re: um
Date: Tue Jun 28 20:46:19 1994
are you using a client or telnetting in? if you're using a client it shouldn't
be doing anything that would break .emacs...
alex
From pnovak@yabbs Wed Jun 29 12:35:26 1994
From: pnovak@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: #436/sorry
Date: Wed Jun 29 12:35:26 1994
That was either the wrong message or the wrong base.
Sorry, less beer next time...
pno :(
From balistic@yabbs Wed Jun 29 18:10:17 1994
From: balistic@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: can anyone help?
Date: Wed Jun 29 18:10:17 1994
Recently, while navigating the net, my screen went blank and my PC
started resetting itself over and over. I scanned my entire hard drive
for viruses and came up empty. The problem seems to temporarily go away
after restarting the computer a few times, but the next day, it's back.
Has this happened to anyone else, is it a virus or something in my
hardware?
Any input would be appreciated,
BALISTIC
From statix@yabbs Wed Jun 29 23:35:01 1994
From: statix@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: compiler books
Date: Wed Jun 29 23:35:01 1994
I may be taking (dependent if enough people enroll in it) a course
on compiler design, and am looking for some good intro texts to
get my feet wet before I take the class. I currently have
Brinch Hansen on Pascal Compilers and Principles of Compiler
Design by Aho & Ullman. We will most likely be crafting the scanner
and parser by using Lex & Yacc. If anyone has any good book suggestions,
I'd like to hear them. Thanks.
statix
From dmonger@yabbs Wed Jun 29 23:36:27 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: musafir@yabbs
Subject: re: um
Date: Wed Jun 29 23:36:27 1994
no .emacs ... its a feature.
-peter
who had forgotton how much more intuitive vi is to him then emacs after giving
in and using its html mode
and who has come to his sense now
From htoaster@yabbs Thu Jun 30 13:53:37 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: re: um
Date: Thu Jun 30 13:53:37 1994
does .emacs really not work with the yabbs client? if so i probably know
why (i used to change the home directory, not sure if i do that anymore,
but if i do its probably why)...
if so let me know and i'll fix it...
alex
From cosmos@yabbs Thu Jun 30 17:22:34 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: FreeBSD 1.1.5
Date: Thu Jun 30 17:22:34 1994
Just a note to all. FreeBSD 1.1.5 release was released late last night
and is available for anon FTP at: FreeBSD.cdrom.com /.1/FreeBSD
This contains many numerous bug fixes, a new VM enhancements and a
shitload of other stuff. Worth checking out.
Cosmos
From dmonger@yabbs Thu Jun 30 18:33:53 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: FreeBSD 1.1.5
Date: Thu Jun 30 18:33:53 1994
gee, maybe i'll download it over night
god i miss my ethernet.
-peter
From taegu@yabbs Thu Jun 30 18:39:22 1994
From: taegu@yabbs
To: balistic@yabbs
Subject: re: can anyone help?
Date: Thu Jun 30 18:39:22 1994
I have seen this happen before when there have been voltage drops for what
ever reason. You may want to make sure you are getting a constant 110v to
your system. The PC I saw doing this was fixed by adding a UPS to start
with. Later a new dedicated line was ran to it.
Taegu
From cosmos@yabbs Thu Jun 30 20:35:38 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: re: FreeBSD 1.1.5
Date: Thu Jun 30 20:35:38 1994
In message re: FreeBSD 1.1.5, dmonger said:
> gee, maybe i'll download it over night
Yeah, I know. I got the .flp disks last night....
The bindist comes tonight....
Cosmos
From Jeremiah@yabbs Thu Jun 30 21:40:36 1994
From: Jeremiah@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: Size of FreeBSD
Date: Thu Jun 30 21:40:36 1994
How much disk space would FreeBSD take to set up? Just outta
curiosity.
From cosmos@yabbs Thu Jun 30 22:09:46 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Jeremiah@yabbs
Subject: re: Size of FreeBSD
Date: Thu Jun 30 22:09:46 1994
In message Size of FreeBSD, Jeremiah said:
> How much disk space would FreeBSD take to set up? Just outta
> curiosity.
I think something like 40 megs or so. Depends on what you want to do
with it. A basic BSD UNIX system without X can survive on a pretty small
partition/disk.
I had to redo my whole system due to a work related project that requires
me to work in dos/windows... :(
I allocated 200 MB for Dos/Windows and 300MB for FreeBSD/X
I then use OS-BS to boot whichever one I need to work under.
I still have to install the bindist, srcdist, and secrdist tomorrow---it
will take all night to download those beasts! ;)
Cosmos
From Natalie@yabbs Tue Sep 22 02:30:07 1903
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: Size of FreeBSD
Date: Tue Sep 22 02:30:07 1903
poor cos...you have to use dos/windows *sheds a tear*...justdon't throw
the puter out the window, 'k?
*smirk*
natalie
From htoaster@yabbs Fri Jul 1 12:47:18 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: Jeremiah@yabbs
Subject: re: Size of FreeBSD
Date: Fri Jul 1 12:47:18 1994
It'll fit in 40 (like cosmos said), but I'd reccomend at least 80 for a
working installation (ie, something you really want to use). If you want
X you'll probably want at least 120 for it.
I personally run this machine with about 500 megs of disk (right now),
but 75 megs of that is for swap space. At the end of the summer it'll
probably have between 750 and a gig depending on how much i feel like spending.
Most of it isn't for the base system though (yabbs takes up about 30,
X is about 30, my /usr/local is about 60, and user accounts take up about 100).
I also try and keep about 100 megs free as scratch space.
alex
From Famine@yabbs Fri Jul 1 14:53:44 1994
From: Famine@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: Ansi C / GNU Problems
Date: Fri Jul 1 14:53:44 1994
htoaster, since you wrote the yabbs client stuff, I thought you might be
able to help me, the problem is the code is ansi C, and I am trying to
compile the thing on a sparc, before you suggest the pre-compiled client,
I tried, but the system set-up where I am is wierd, hence it feel over
with a bus error.
I know that there is a ansi-c to k&r conversion program somewhere, but I
don't know where, last time I used it was on the uniz version of zip.
So do you or does anyone else know the where abouts of this code.
Thanks in advance
Famine.
From cosmos@yabbs Fri Jul 1 15:01:42 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Famine@yabbs
Subject: re: Ansi C / GNU Problems
Date: Fri Jul 1 15:01:42 1994
In message Ansi C / GNU Problems, Famine said:
> htoaster, since you wrote the yabbs client stuff, I thought you might be
> able to help me, the problem is the code is ansi C, and I am trying to
> compile the thing on a sparc, before you suggest the pre-compiled client,
> I tried, but the system set-up where I am is wierd, hence it feel over
> with a bus error.
Ever try GNU GCC ? ;)
Cosmos
From dmonger@yabbs Fri Jul 1 20:18:46 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: Size of FreeBSD
Date: Fri Jul 1 20:18:46 1994
cool, then you can set up an nntp server :)
screw nntp.club
-peter
From Famine@yabbs Sat Jul 2 07:55:19 1994
From: Famine@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: Ansi C / GNU Problems
Date: Sat Jul 2 07:55:19 1994
Yes I have tried gcc, we have it but we don't have the ansi headers, only
k&r which is damn inconvient >:^<
Any other ideas cosmos?
Famine(lover of k&r ... the only true C)
p.s. seriously...I would like to get it compiled...
From Famine@yabbs Sat Jul 2 08:39:44 1994
From: Famine@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Gopher ftps in ASCII
Date: Sat Jul 2 08:39:44 1994
Can you please forget my requests for help, I have successfully got a
client downloaded and its running perfectly.
Famine.
p.s. The clients improve performance one help of a lot.
From Death@yabbs Sun Jul 3 12:57:23 1994
From: Death@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: yabbsfest
Date: Sun Jul 3 12:57:23 1994
Everybody (or almost everybody) here on yabbs wonders what everyone else
is like in "real" life... To this end, I'm announcing that a bunch of us
have gotten together to organize a party!!! We've decided that at some
as yet undetermined point in time, anybody from Yabbs that wants to is
invited to come to Pittsburgh, the birthplace of Yabbs, where we will all
get together for a weekend or so of fun :> The reason the time is still
undetermined is because we need everyone who wants to come to let us know
when would be a good time for them... Email me with questions, comments,
suggestions, and what time would be good for you at: death@cyberspace.org
See you there!!!
--Death
PS... I put this message in every base on the off chance that EVERYBODY
might actually get to see it :>
From dmonger@yabbs Fri Jul 8 10:15:10 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: user interface design
Date: Fri Jul 8 10:15:10 1994
Has anyone seen any good (free) GUI design tools that DON'T require Motif?
-peter
From clipper@yabbs Wed Jul 13 00:55:45 1994
From: clipper@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Editors..
Date: Wed Jul 13 00:55:45 1994
Does anyone have a good text editor for doing C code. I'm really dying to
use an editor reminissant of Turbo C for DOS. Even something close to
DOS's EDIT would be okay.
Thanks.
From GPF@yabbs Wed Jul 13 11:43:02 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: clipper@yabbs
Subject: re: Editors..
Date: Wed Jul 13 11:43:02 1994
some good editors i've found are xcoral, nedit, and aXe.....
the first is openlook, the second is motif (so if you don't have the libs
you'll need to get in statically linked....) and the third is athena (ugh)
they're all fairly good text editors (all x based) and xcoral has some
special editing modes for code.... all of em (afaik) can be found
at ftp.x.org in /R5contrib or /contrib or if you're running linux you can
get nedit bins from sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/X11/xapps/editors.....
i still prefer vi tho :)
...gpf
From htoaster@yabbs Wed Jul 13 12:30:01 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: clipper@yabbs
Subject: re: Editors..
Date: Wed Jul 13 12:30:01 1994
In message Editors.., clipper said:
> Does anyone have a good text editor for doing C code. I'm really dying to
> use an editor reminissant of Turbo C for DOS. Even something close to
> DOS's EDIT would be okay.
I personally love vi for editting code (and everything). It has a steep
learning curve, but I find that it is time well spent. Everyone I know
who now use vi won't go back to anything else.
If you really want a turbo C like editor you could remap emacs (or microemacs)
to use the same keybindings as turbo C (I did this with microemacs once
to make it like norton editor (ne)).
You might want to check out joe as well, it is pretty much like turbo C
now...
alex
From dmonger@yabbs Wed Jul 13 12:58:47 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: gpf@yabbs
Subject: re: Editors..
Date: Wed Jul 13 12:58:47 1994
wow GPF, you always seemed like the emacs type to me.
I love vi too, although that initial learning curve is a little tough. but
once you get used to it, its small and fast and all the keys make sense
(unlike some bloated editors put out by gnu)
-peter
From GPF@yabbs Wed Jul 13 14:25:13 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: re: Editors..
Date: Wed Jul 13 14:25:13 1994
blah, emacs takes 12 meg of disk and takes 10 seconds just to start... no
thanx...
From cosmos@yabbs Wed Jul 13 14:35:10 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: clipper@yabbs
Subject: re: Editors..
Date: Wed Jul 13 14:35:10 1994
In message Editors.., clipper said:
> Does anyone have a good text editor for doing C code. I'm really dying to
> use an editor reminissant of Turbo C for DOS. Even something close to
> DOS's EDIT would be okay.
>
> Thanks.
>
Try ed. Its the editor of champions.
Cosmos
From dmonger@yabbs Wed Jul 13 17:19:41 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: GPF@yabbs
Subject: re: Editors..
Date: Wed Jul 13 17:19:41 1994
only 10 seconds ... wow linux must be faster than freebsd then
(or aix on the rs6000 at work) :)
beware the editor which announces in the README that it can grow to over 4MB.
or is that 8.
-peter
From GPF@yabbs Wed Jul 13 17:43:35 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: re: Editors..
Date: Wed Jul 13 17:43:35 1994
it that memory or disk? the linux dist comes at about 15 meg... (but
that's with all the lisp sources so that emacs weenies can say "but emacs
is so cool because you can use the editor to edit itself!"
it's also worth mentioning that emacs sucks up nearly twice as much memory
as my x server and it's loading is one of the few times that my system is
forced to swap.....
From dmonger@yabbs Wed Jul 13 17:57:21 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: GPF@yabbs
Subject: that's RAM
Date: Wed Jul 13 17:57:21 1994
the title says it all
-peter
From cosmos@yabbs Thu Jul 14 00:02:28 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Bloated Editors
Date: Thu Jul 14 00:02:28 1994
Heh. I just use VI. Always have, always will.
Cosmos
From !@#asd@yabbs Thu Jul 14 12:14:52 1994
From: !@#asd@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: shareware sniffer software
Date: Thu Jul 14 12:14:52 1994
Hello, i know i know this is not a unix question but it is the only board
that has computer intelligent people on it. I am l00king for a shareware
sniffer program anyone know of any that are out on the internet?????
respond here or email me at kiddr@alpinevalley.ksc.nasa.gov
thanks
l8er
From htoaster@yabbs Thu Jul 14 12:46:45 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: !@#asd@yabbs
Subject: re: shareware sniffer software
Date: Thu Jul 14 12:46:45 1994
In message shareware sniffer software, !@#asd said:
> Hello, i know i know this is not a unix question but it is the only board
> that has computer intelligent people on it. I am l00king for a shareware
> sniffer program anyone know of any that are out on the internet?????
There are a few. The CMU PC-IP stuff comes with one. You should also look
for Beholder (I think that is the name of it), which is a lot more advanced.
alex
From cosmos@yabbs Thu Jul 14 13:44:18 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: !@#asd@yabbs
Subject: re: shareware sniffer software
Date: Thu Jul 14 13:44:18 1994
In message shareware sniffer software, !@#asd said:
> Hello, i know i know this is not a unix question but it is the only board
> that has computer intelligent people on it. I am l00king for a shareware
> sniffer program anyone know of any that are out on the internet?????
>
> respond here or email me at kiddr@alpinevalley.ksc.nasa.gov
> thanks
> l8er
Does NASA have new responsibilites in the civialian sector...
Anyhow, archie for the beholder or something like that.
Cosmos
From !@#asd@yabbs Fri Jul 15 08:42:05 1994
From: !@#asd@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: shareware sniffer software
Date: Fri Jul 15 08:42:05 1994
Do you know where i can get these programs??????
It sure would be a great help. Thanks again
Ricky Kidd (!@#asd)
From !@#asd@yabbs Fri Jul 15 08:44:14 1994
From: !@#asd@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: shareware sniffer software
Date: Fri Jul 15 08:44:14 1994
hehehehehe
yeah, theses idiots want something that they can toy with and make it do
exactly what they want. I found one yesterday (Thurs) and it has the
source code, so if I can get that my project will be well ahead of where i
am suppose to be.
DAmn NASA wennies
From !@#asd@yabbs Fri Jul 15 08:45:16 1994
From: !@#asd@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: shareware sniffer software
Date: Fri Jul 15 08:45:16 1994
how do you use archie, i had someone tell me once about three years ago.
Clue me in again would ya
From GPF@yabbs Fri Jul 15 11:42:05 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: !@#asd@yabbs
Subject: re: shareware sniffer software
Date: Fri Jul 15 11:42:05 1994
man archie...
it's a unix command...
From htoaster@yabbs Fri Jul 15 12:30:31 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: !@#asd@yabbs
Subject: re: shareware sniffer software
Date: Fri Jul 15 12:30:31 1994
In message re: shareware sniffer software, !@#asd said:
> Do you know where i can get these programs??????
not offhand, but a little time with archie should help. pcip is all over
the place, beholder was in .fi i think...
alex
From Justbob@yabbs Wed Jul 20 18:13:25 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: !@#asd@yabbs
Subject: archie
Date: Wed Jul 20 18:13:25 1994
telnet archie.unl.edu, archie.au, or one of a myriad of other sites if you
don't have an archie client
From Justbob@yabbs Thu Jul 21 18:00:53 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Me, Linux, and Token Ring
Date: Thu Jul 21 18:00:53 1994
Anyone know if there are token ring drivers out there for linux?
(no, i really don't have time to wander around sunsite and look)
Any help would be greatly appreciated and would considerably ease things.
From Justbob@yabbs Thu Jul 21 18:01:14 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: <no title>
Date: Thu Jul 21 18:01:14 1994
(it's that or trying to port the drivers from aix :/)
From htoaster@yabbs Thu Jul 21 19:52:42 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: Justbob@yabbs
Subject: re: Me, Linux, and Token Ring
Date: Thu Jul 21 19:52:42 1994
last time i checked there were no token ring drivers for any of the free
unix systems (linux, bsd, or whatever)...
alex
From cosmos@yabbs Fri Jul 22 00:29:22 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Justbob@yabbs
Subject: re: Me, Linux, and Token Ring
Date: Fri Jul 22 00:29:22 1994
Nope.
No Token Ring drivers for the free unices. I currently am looking into
writing a driver for BSD. I guess you linux weenies can steal it after
its done(if ever...IBM hardware sucks, but I gotta use it).
Cosmos
From Justbob@yabbs Fri Jul 22 20:03:22 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: Me, Linux, and Token Ring
Date: Fri Jul 22 20:03:22 1994
Well, either we can get our system set up on token ring now, or wait
however long when we put ethernet in the elementary school :/
*goes off to pirate some drivers*
From htoaster@yabbs Fri Jul 22 20:59:13 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: Justbob@yabbs
Subject: re: Me, Linux, and Token Ring
Date: Fri Jul 22 20:59:13 1994
supposedly (i haven't done this) it shouldn't be too hard to get an XT,
put both a token ring and ethernet card in it, and set it up as a bridge using
ka9q or pc-route or some other freeware routing and briding software...might
be easier then hacking drivers into BSD or Linux at least...
alex
From Justbob@yabbs Fri Jul 22 22:10:08 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: Me, Linux, and Token Ring
Date: Fri Jul 22 22:10:08 1994
However, if we want to put an ethernet segment in, we might as well wait
for the ether in the elementary school since the HS won't okay the cost of
an ethernet segment just for one machine :/
(at least not yet)
From cosmos@yabbs Sat Jul 23 00:47:51 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: Me, Linux, and Token Ring
Date: Sat Jul 23 00:47:51 1994
In message re: Me, Linux, and Token Ring, htoaster said:
> supposedly (i haven't done this) it shouldn't be too hard to get an XT,
> put both a token ring and ethernet card in it, and set it up as a bridge using
> ka9q or pc-route or some other freeware routing and briding software...might
> be easier then hacking drivers into BSD or Linux at least...
>
> alex
>
Yeah, I had done this at one point. Easy kludge, but I lost the XT to
our secretary here and its really only a kludge workaround IMHO.
I also need to connect *all* of the over 300 IBM 486 machines on our
token ring network to the network with a reliable means. I did at one
point argue to all hell with my bosses over token ring vs ethernet and I
lost. I also got chastised for foul language. Go figure.
IBM cut us a deal on our rs6ks and the token ring.
I want to get a decent driver written for BSD so I can set up a nice BSD
subnet.
Cosmos
From Justbob@yabbs Sat Jul 23 09:31:30 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: Me, Linux, and Token Ring
Date: Sat Jul 23 09:31:30 1994
At the time the school had TR put it, it was at the suggestion of the
college's netadmin. We figure it's cause that's all he knows and he
didn't want to look stupid.
*shrug* Oh well, at least we got 16Mbps. Even if we do pay for it.
From Justbob@yabbs Sun Jul 24 02:35:02 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Linux & Token ring
Date: Sun Jul 24 02:35:02 1994
I may have found someone with tr drivers for linux, i will let you know as
soon as i get a response to my mail
From htoaster@yabbs Sun Jul 24 21:06:59 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: Justbob@yabbs
Subject: re: Me, Linux, and Token Ring
Date: Sun Jul 24 21:06:59 1994
In message re: Me, Linux, and Token Ring, Justbob said:
> However, if we want to put an ethernet segment in, we might as well wait
> for the ether in the elementary school since the HS won't okay the cost of
> an ethernet segment just for one machine :/
> (at least not yet)
the cost is really <$100 if you look around for some used twisted pair
ethernet cards (they are usually easy to find at computer shows)...and the
cabling for them is just coax, which is cheap too...
alex
From Justbob@yabbs Mon Jul 25 23:05:49 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: Me, Linux, and Token Ring
Date: Mon Jul 25 23:05:49 1994
Yes, but the token ring is 16Mbps, wouldn't i need some sort of frame
buffer to keep the tr from overflowing the thernet bandwidth?
From Justbob@yabbs Mon Jul 25 23:06:23 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: Me, Linux, and Token Ring
Date: Mon Jul 25 23:06:23 1994
(er..that should be ethernet bandwidth up there)
From dmonger@yabbs Tue Jul 26 13:46:43 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: <no title>
Date: Tue Jul 26 13:46:43 1994
god i hate sun's fucking k&r shit compiler ....
-peter
From htoaster@yabbs Tue Jul 26 13:51:24 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: Justbob@yabbs
Subject: re: Me, Linux, and Token Ring
Date: Tue Jul 26 13:51:24 1994
In message re: Me, Linux, and Token Ring, Justbob said:
> Yes, but the token ring is 16Mbps, wouldn't i need some sort of frame
> buffer to keep the tr from overflowing the ethernet bandwidth?
token to ether bridges are pretty common...if you just route ip traffic
headed for the ether machine(s) over the bridge then it is unlikely that you'll
loose to many packets... also, all networking protocols are designed around
lans that drop packets anyway, so instead of buffer it just drops, which forces
resends...its not as evil as it sounds...
alex
From Justbob@yabbs Wed Jul 27 17:44:35 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: Me, Linux, and Token Ring
Date: Wed Jul 27 17:44:35 1994
"Increased network traffic? Why no, no i have no idea what you're talking
about "
;)
actually, i will check, sounds like it's definitely workable, thanx
From cosmos@yabbs Sun Jul 31 14:00:24 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: UNIX info sheet
Date: Sun Jul 31 14:00:24 1994
Alot of the kids have been asking me what version of UNIX they should run
on their computer to learn or be cool or whatever. Rather than repeat
myself over and over or perhaps tear them a new arse I thought a short
info file on the 3 variants prevailing in the free net implementations
would be useful.
This document is in no way official or meant to be taken as gospel. This
is just my observations.
*** The Berkeley Camp ***
There are 2 variants of the original 386BSD port done by William Jolitz
on the net today. Both are *very* similar in general appearance and
contain alot of the same code, however are targeted at a much different
audience.
The BSD implementations of UNIX are a very popular flavour in the
university community and have been for the past 10 years. Many
commercial flavours such as SunOS are BSD based.
The 2 net implentations are not beginner oriented per se. Both are aimed
at a more knowledgeable UNIX base and do not specifically cater to the
new or inexperienced user. This is not to say that a new user cannot do
anything useful on a BSD variant, just that his hand may not be held very
closely.
If you have experience in a commercial UNIX environment, especially SunOS
or Ultrix you may notice little difference besides vendor crap between
your variant and the *BSD versions.
FreeBSD: This is the intel specific release of BSD. It relies on a core
team for its major development. Install is easy to follow and well
documented for new users. Numerous mailing lists serve the FreeBSD
community and the freebsd.cdrom.com FTP site contains much to keep a
FreeBSD user happy. The FreeBSD team maintains a "package" site there as
well which are precompiled binaries for many useful programs and
utilities. I recommend this one heartily to someone wanting to do some
quality work on a rock solid UNIX os.
Currently the last release version was 1.1.5.1 which is still
based on 4.3 net/2 code. You can get this release from
gatekeeper.dec.com in the /BSD directories. Release 2.0 which will be a
4.4 lite based implementation is due out in late September.
NetBSD: This is an architecture independent release of the 386BSD code.
It runs on many popular machines like the intel 386/486, Macintosh,
Amiga, Sun3 etc... It is currently a working implementation of BSD 4.4
code and within a week or two release 1.0 will be out. This is *not* the
beginners OS. The only thing you get with this baby is the OS itself.
No ports or packages are maintained, thus the need for a more in depth
knowledge of software porting to UNIX and admin skills are needed. I
like this release of *BSD the best. If you like hacking around on UNIX
and feel comfortable, I urge you to give this one a try.
*** Linux ***
Linux is an entirely different beast. The BSD variants are technically a
real UNIX, they do have original UNIX code in them (which has upset many
a Novell/USL lawyer). however Linux is a complete rewrite from the ground
up based to look like a System V UNIX.
Lets first clear up some myths. LINUX is not System V UNIX. LINUX is
not UNIX period. Linux is a very stable UNIX clone which attempts to
give the user a System V feel with alot of BSD add ons.
Linux has quite a few non standard quarks specific to itself that may
confuse and/or piss off a UNIX regular.
However, Linux is written and maintained with a user-oriented attitude
that serves its community quite well. From the initial install program
which is a color menu driven install more user friendly than the Windows
install to each individual package, Linux is clearly user oriented.
Linux Slackware distribution is very well documented and contains
*everything* under the sun you would ever possibly need/want(much too
much sometimes ;) ). This is one of its major differences from the older
BSD crowd.
It is much eaiser to a newbie or novice to install Linux, fire up X and
start learning than on one of the *BSD variants. But it has its
tradeoffs.
You can grab Linux stuff from: sunsite.unc.edu /pub/Linux
The bottom line is that each user must make a choice and go from there.
Try all three and see which suits you best. But dont expect someone else
to spoonfeed you the whole way. Man pages do have a reason for their
existance...
Cosmos
From HC@yabbs Sun Jul 31 21:50:57 1994
From: HC@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: FreeBSD on CD
Date: Sun Jul 31 21:50:57 1994
***************
Hey Cos...is it possible to get FreeBSD on CD...if yes, where can I buy
it from, and what format is the CD in...
Thanx
From cosmos@yabbs Mon Aug 1 00:15:40 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: HC@yabbs
Subject: re: FreeBSD on CD
Date: Mon Aug 1 00:15:40 1994
In message FreeBSD on CD, HC said:
>
> Hey Cos...is it possible to get FreeBSD on CD...if yes, where can I buy
> it from, and what format is the CD in...
>
It was for Release 1.1 but not for the latest 1.1.5.1 due to very limited
time constraints. You wont be able to buy one anyhow. Time is up and
the net/2 limit is in place. You can only FTP it at this point from one
of the mirrors like gatekeeper.dec.com
2.0 will be out in september and it *will* be put on a CDROM.
Cosmos
From Justbob@yabbs Sat Aug 6 16:45:57 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: XF86
Date: Sat Aug 6 16:45:57 1994
Anyone got XF86 drivers for Western Digital 90c33?
wd90c30 and wd90c31 don't work
[so far, we can only get it going in standard 16 color VGA]
From htoaster@yabbs Sat Aug 6 22:51:42 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: Justbob@yabbs
Subject: re: XF86
Date: Sat Aug 6 22:51:42 1994
In message XF86, Justbob said:
> Anyone got XF86 drivers for Western Digital 90c33?
> wd90c30 and wd90c31 don't work
> [so far, we can only get it going in standard 16 color VGA]
I don't beleive that there are any. It works in the pvga1 driver for mono if
you don't mind having mono X. mono 1024x768 is more useful than 640x480 16
color at least.
WD can't seem to standardize on one hardware interface to their boards and
that looses out for them.
did you get it with a gateway by any chance? my roommate got the same bum
deal, and couldn't even trade it up, because all of their boards are just
diamond now...
alex
From Justbob@yabbs Sun Aug 7 15:15:37 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: XF86
Date: Sun Aug 7 15:15:37 1994
Nope, it's a leading edge [and just to clarify, it's not mine, it's a
friend]
(er...friend's that is)
We decided just to write to the writer of the other two wd drivers and see
if there were any plans for the 33.
And we've got it in 800x600 (altho in our XConfig, it clearly states
640x480, but it has to be 8x6, there's no way 640x480 is that crisp) with
16 colors.
And i agree, you'd think that they'd be nice and make the chipsets fairly
compatible.
oh well, shit happens.
From balistic@yabbs Sun Aug 7 15:48:15 1994
From: balistic@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: clients
Date: Sun Aug 7 15:48:15 1994
Hi alex, anyword on a MS-DOS yabbs client?
l8r
balistic
From htoaster@yabbs Sun Aug 7 18:20:18 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: balistic@yabbs
Subject: re: clients
Date: Sun Aug 7 18:20:18 1994
In message re: clients, balistic said:
> Hi alex, anyword on a MS-DOS yabbs client?
everyonce in a while i get mail from someone saying that they are doing work
on it, but i've never heard anything more than that. i personally have no
interest (or time) to write one, but taking the current unix one and modifying
it to work with ms-dos shouldn't be a monumental task (esp if the system
already has sockets, doing a port to WinSock for example).
alex
From Justbob@yabbs Sun Aug 7 19:43:53 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: clients
Date: Sun Aug 7 19:43:53 1994
However, then you'd have to piss around with the API calls :6
(Unless you wanted to do it in DOS, and try to use winsock calls
anyhow...)
From htoaster@yabbs Sun Aug 7 20:22:41 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: Justbob@yabbs
Subject: re: clients
Date: Sun Aug 7 20:22:41 1994
In message re: clients, Justbob said:
> However, then you'd have to piss around with the API calls :6
> (Unless you wanted to do it in DOS, and try to use winsock calls
> anyhow...)
well, under NT it would be easy to make it run as a console app. Under
regular windows there are libraries which will bring up a console-like
window and let you just use printf, etc to write and read to them, so
doing a port to that isn't too tricky either.
alex
From slohack@yabbs Sun Aug 7 23:02:27 1994
From: slohack@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: clients
Date: Sun Aug 7 23:02:27 1994
In message re: clients, htoaster said:
> well, under NT it would be easy to make it run as a console app. Under
> regular windows there are libraries which will bring up a console-like
> window and let you just use printf, etc to write and read to them, so
> doing a port to that isn't too tricky either.
>
How about using the WATTCP stack. It would need a packet driver, but
over SLIP it might be kinda neat. It should be real easy using WATTCP.
From htoaster@yabbs Mon Aug 8 11:57:03 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: slohack@yabbs
Subject: re: clients
Date: Mon Aug 8 11:57:03 1994
In message re: clients, slohack said:
> How about using the WATTCP stack. It would need a packet driver, but
> over SLIP it might be kinda neat. It should be real easy using WATTCP.
like I said, I'm not personally going to do any ports (since I don't even
have a DOS machine at home, and my NT box at work isn't directly on the
internet, and I'm only going to be working here for another 11 days anyway).
if anyone wants to do a port they should feel free. if they send me some
email (alex@phred.org) and ask I can tell them what they'll probably have
to change.
alex
From bart@yabbs Mon Aug 8 12:11:10 1994
From: bart@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: msdos client
Date: Mon Aug 8 12:11:10 1994
uhmm why don't all the "do this and do that to make it work"dudes..
do it and make an msdos client...
That way we free up the telnet lines and allow more logins..
Bart
|\/\/\/|
| |
| |
| (o)(o)
c _)
|_,___|
|___/
MYYYYY HEADDDDDDDDDDD!?
bleh.
From balistic@yabbs Mon Aug 8 16:06:53 1994
From: balistic@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: clients
Date: Mon Aug 8 16:06:53 1994
Oh well...I'm not big on UNIX so I'll just have to wait :), but some
times it's practically impossible to get in thru telnet...I always manage
though :)
From Figment@yabbs Wed Aug 10 06:29:54 1994
From: Figment@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: re: Suns K&R compiler.
Date: Wed Aug 10 06:29:54 1994
You're not the only one. Best thing they ever did was unbundle it so we
can all buy the ANSI C one instead. :-)
From ChimChim@yabbs Thu Aug 11 05:31:33 1994
From: ChimChim@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Smart uudecoder
Date: Thu Aug 11 05:31:33 1994
i am looking for a way to get a uudecoder for unix that can piece together
multipart encoded files. if anybody knows of one could you either tell me
about it or email it to me, but not in parts though. :)
Thanks alot
steve aka chimchim
Stevin@u.washington.edu
From GPF@yabbs Thu Aug 11 11:44:55 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: ChimChim@yabbs
Subject: re: Smart uudecoder
Date: Thu Aug 11 11:44:55 1994
i saw a program that did something to this effect a while ago....
it was a filter that stripped out lines that weren't part of the uuencoded
file... so you'd just type eke file1 fil2 fil3 file4 |uudecode
oh, it was called eke and i think it was posted to comp.sources.something
a while ago.....
From Justbob@yabbs Thu Aug 11 17:46:47 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: elvis/vnelvis
Date: Thu Aug 11 17:46:47 1994
This is sort of unix related, so i thought i'd post it here for all us ppl
stuck with dos (hopefully not for long)
vnelvis: a must have!
It's vi for DOS, it just kicks ass, no if ands or buts about it.
and the cool thing is, it's real vi, right down to swapping in and out of
a tmp file, so that there's just about no limit on file size, unlike
EDIT.COM or QBASIC /edit
[same thing]
And it's in color.
It's just darn nifty, i like it.
[Pulled up a 640K doc on my 386sx 20 in about a minute, under
windoze....that's faster than it takes EDIT to find out that it's out of
memory:)]
From htoaster@yabbs Thu Aug 11 18:54:24 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: Justbob@yabbs
Subject: re: elvis/vnelvis
Date: Thu Aug 11 18:54:24 1994
vnelvis? don't you just mean elvis?
anyway there are some differences, like the way it handles backspace (you
can backspace beyond the start of your insertion over tabs)...and elvis
doesn't wrap long lines, you have to scroll the screen (might annoying)...
if you have a unix box check out nvi...it is the coolest vi ever (and will
probably end up the new standard for vi)...multiple windows, etc...
alex
From Justbob@yabbs Fri Aug 12 17:16:54 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: elvis/vnelvis
Date: Fri Aug 12 17:16:54 1994
vnelvis is an adaptation of elvis. and the only one i could find for the
PC
and i agree, it is missing somethings/non-standard [like no :set nu :/]
Also, i meant to add that it only took about 12 seconds to bring up that
same file in DOS [running in windows with fg priority set to 100]
From htoaster@yabbs Fri Aug 12 19:16:27 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: Justbob@yabbs
Subject: re: elvis/vnelvis
Date: Fri Aug 12 19:16:27 1994
In message re: elvis/vnelvis, Justbob said:
> vnelvis is an adaptation of elvis. and the only one i could find for the
> PC
> and i agree, it is missing somethings/non-standard [like no :set nu :/]
you can get straight elvis for the pc...i think it is on wuarchive.wustl.edu
in /systems/msdos/editors...
there is another really nice clone their too, but the name escapes my head
now...much "closer" than elvis to the real thing...
alex
From HC@yabbs Fri Aug 12 19:40:54 1994
From: HC@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: elvis/vnelvis
Date: Fri Aug 12 19:40:54 1994
*********
In message re: elvis/vnelvis, htoaster said:
> you can get straight elvis for the pc...i think it is on wuarchive.wustl.edu
> in /systems/msdos/editors...
> there is another really nice clone their too, but the name escapes my head
> now...much "closer" than elvis to the real thing...
Don't happen to know of a vi clone for the Mac do you?...only one I have
found so far is stevie
From Justbob@yabbs Sat Aug 13 06:42:50 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: HC@yabbs
Subject: re: elvis/vnelvis
Date: Sat Aug 13 06:42:50 1994
Not you again! we've already discussed this ;)
ht: thanks for the tip, will look. I would like to get a nicer version.
If i had TC, i would try and port real vi. Should be _real_ easy with
ansi.sys loaded.
From htoaster@yabbs Sat Aug 13 16:14:12 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: HC@yabbs
Subject: re: elvis/vnelvis
Date: Sat Aug 13 16:14:12 1994
In message re: elvis/vnelvis, HC said:
> Don't happen to know of a vi clone for the Mac do you?...only one I have
> found so far is stevie
not offhand, but if stevie can compile for the mac, chances are xvi can as
well (it was started from the stevie sources). its a closer clone to vi
than stevie is, and has some other cool features (multiple windows mostly).
i use it on windows nt now because it was the easiest thing to make look like
nvi. (which i would like to do a true port of someday).
alex
From htoaster@yabbs Sat Aug 13 16:15:39 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: Justbob@yabbs
Subject: re: elvis/vnelvis
Date: Sat Aug 13 16:15:39 1994
In message re: elvis/vnelvis, Justbob said:
> ht: thanks for the tip, will look. I would like to get a nicer version.
> If i had TC, i would try and port real vi. Should be _real_ easy with
> ansi.sys loaded.
even easier with a curses library, which there are tons of for dos. biggest
pain is dealing with dos memory management...and getting the original vi
sources, since you need a usl unix site license for them...
nvi would be a bit more of a bitch, since it is a lot bigger (and thus would
be even harder to work into dos's sucky memory management).
From dmonger@yabbs Sat Aug 13 16:36:05 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: elvis/vnelvis
Date: Sat Aug 13 16:36:05 1994
From Justbob@yabbs Sat Aug 13 16:54:12 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: elvis/vnelvis
Date: Sat Aug 13 16:54:12 1994
You mean there isn't vi source up for ftp?!
doh!
From GPF@yabbs Sat Aug 13 17:15:08 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: Justbob@yabbs
Subject: re: elvis/vnelvis
Date: Sat Aug 13 17:15:08 1994
of course there's vi source up for ftp..... sunsite.unc.edu
/pub/Linux/apps/editors/* theres about 300 defferent versions of it there
From htoaster@yabbs Sat Aug 13 18:33:45 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: GPF@yabbs
Subject: re: elvis/vnelvis
Date: Sat Aug 13 18:33:45 1994
In message re: elvis/vnelvis, GPF said:
> of course there's vi source up for ftp..... sunsite.unc.edu
> /pub/Linux/apps/editors/* theres about 300 defferent versions of it there
none are the original...elvis, vim, stevie, etc, but not the orginal vi...
there are differences...some don't even have stuff like :map and :map!...or
do cutting and pasting wrong...
alex
From pnovak@yabbs Sat Aug 13 20:43:29 1994
From: pnovak@yabbs
To: ChimChim@yabbs
Subject: re: Smart uudecoder
Date: Sat Aug 13 20:43:29 1994
pno has just spent abt 5 hours hating a multipart v.e.r.y.
important uue. file.
Bugwork, killing unwanted lines, <grunt>...
Then again, maybe someoness answered already,
"lo, chin, thought I.d letya know...
jeez, having trouble
with the single "s, sp keyboard, maybe...
pno HATES unfriendly software.
btw, flames wasted. (Common stuff, fortunately less in
this board!)
Disregard if smart-uudec identified, please, thanx.
Bye, pno.
.
From GPF@yabbs Sat Aug 13 21:03:26 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: pnovak@yabbs
Subject: re: Smart uudecoder
Date: Sat Aug 13 21:03:26 1994
wha?
From Justbob@yabbs Sun Aug 14 11:51:29 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: GPF@yabbs
Subject: re: elvis/vnelvis
Date: Sun Aug 14 11:51:29 1994
DOH! Of course there is. forgot about linux.
From Justbob@yabbs Sun Aug 14 11:52:09 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: elvis/vnelvis
Date: Sun Aug 14 11:52:09 1994
rats.
From Justbob@yabbs Sun Aug 14 11:53:24 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: GPF@yabbs
Subject: re: Smart uudecoder
Date: Sun Aug 14 11:53:24 1994
He was looking for a uudecode that would decode multipart files.
From GPF@yabbs Sun Aug 14 12:55:43 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: Justbob@yabbs
Subject: re: Smart uudecoder
Date: Sun Aug 14 12:55:43 1994
In message re: Smart uudecoder, Justbob said:
> He was looking for a uudecode that would decode multipart files.
yup, and that's what it does, it strips off sigs, headers et al and then lets
you run it through a pipe....
if all he wanted was something for straight multipart files just
cat file1 file2 file3 file4 filen |uudecode
duh.
From Aphex@yabbs Mon Aug 15 02:53:02 1994
From: Aphex@yabbs
To: GPF@yabbs
Subject: re: Smart uudecoder
Date: Mon Aug 15 02:53:02 1994
ng, i didnt need to know
abbout cat or anything, i wanted something that would decode multiple
multi-part file that were stored in a single file. and do a bunch of other
shit to like saving extra parts until you have the whole thing.
or somethin like that. what i am using know is uuconvert whch is kind of
a drag. if anyone sees a better one let me know
later
chimchim (using aphex's computer and login)ooh well
:)
From Justbob@yabbs Mon Aug 15 03:05:52 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: Aphex@yabbs
Subject: re: Smart uudecoder
Date: Mon Aug 15 03:05:52 1994
uh...
so what you would do is take several files [which were segmented into
multiple files] and put them into _one_ file
then take that one file and run it thru the magic decoder ring & have it
spit out the uudecode files in one bin & the headers & such in another?
From Aphex@yabbs Tue Aug 16 05:14:07 1994
From: Aphex@yabbs
To: Justbob@yabbs
Subject: re: Smart uudecoder
Date: Tue Aug 16 05:14:07 1994
............
you save all of your usenet binaries files into one file.
then run it through.
Found one and in the middle of compiling it and soforth.
You can ftp it at 128.2.209.207 called unc
Check it out.
Aphex
From Justbob@yabbs Tue Aug 16 13:29:31 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: Aphex@yabbs
Subject: re: Smart uudecoder
Date: Tue Aug 16 13:29:31 1994
*ahs* I see
From !@#asd@yabbs Wed Aug 17 12:09:41 1994
From: !@#asd@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: Me, Linux, and Token Ring
Date: Wed Aug 17 12:09:41 1994
XT bridge, peice of CAKE (carrot) works like a charm, to switch from one
network to another (token ring to whatever)
From !@#asd@yabbs Wed Aug 17 12:13:07 1994
From: !@#asd@yabbs
To: Justbob@yabbs
Subject: re: Me, Linux, and Token Ring
Date: Wed Aug 17 12:13:07 1994
Token Ring SUX, Never, i say Never install token ring over ethernet
Go with CAT5 Twisted pair ethernet cable, you can kill the cost of token
ring cable and have up to 100MB(proper eq neccessary)
From balistic@yabbs Wed Aug 17 15:57:00 1994
From: balistic@yabbs
To: Justbob@yabbs
Subject: re: Smart uudecoder
Date: Wed Aug 17 15:57:00 1994
hmmmm....decoder ring....didn't I get one of those from an ovaltine
jar....:)
a
s
s
From Natalie@yabbs Wed Aug 17 16:07:18 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: balistic@yabbs
Subject: re: Smart uudecoder
Date: Wed Aug 17 16:07:18 1994
you'll put your eye out with that thing!
natalie
who likes going WAY off topic
From balistic@yabbs Wed Aug 17 22:35:58 1994
From: balistic@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: Smart uudecoder
Date: Wed Aug 17 22:35:58 1994
ahhhhh....a christmas story......what a classic :)
balistic the boy-with-his-tongue-stuck-to-a-flagpole
From Justbob@yabbs Thu Aug 18 20:09:21 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: !@#asd@yabbs
Subject: re: Me, Linux, and Token Ring
Date: Thu Aug 18 20:09:21 1994
Duh, but I didn't have any say in this.
the networking was done already...
And until recently, TR could easily blow away ether
From ButtrBoy@yabbs Mon Aug 22 09:18:56 1994
From: ButtrBoy@yabbs
To: Chimchim@yabbs
Subject: Smart uudecoder
Date: Mon Aug 22 09:18:56 1994
I had a program posted to some newsgroup before
that did what you wanted; it was called uunconc
but i don't have the source anymore, nor do i
recall where i found it. try an archie for it.
butterboy.
From Jazzy@yabbs Tue Aug 23 09:14:36 1994
From: Jazzy@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: read /i roth
Date: Tue Aug 23 09:14:36 1994
From Justbob@yabbs Wed Aug 24 12:40:09 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: Jazzy@yabbs
Subject: re: read /i roth
Date: Wed Aug 24 12:40:09 1994
Would you cut that out?!
From Xela@yabbs Sat Aug 27 03:12:01 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: thanks
Date: Sat Aug 27 03:12:01 1994
I'd like to thank you for running the bbs as well as you did, for as long
as you did. I met a great bunch of people here, and had a few good
arguments to boot. :)
So I guess yabbsfest is out of the question? heheheh :)
X
From htoaster@yabbs Sat Aug 27 10:54:36 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: Xela@yabbs
Subject: re: thanks
Date: Sat Aug 27 10:54:36 1994
In message thanks, Xela said:
> I'd like to thank you for running the bbs as well as you did, for as long
> as you did. I met a great bunch of people here, and had a few good
> arguments to boot. :)
thanks...
> So I guess yabbsfest is out of the question? heheheh :)
yeah, well, maybe one will happen if another yabbs system goes up...i
personally felt like it was falling apart about a month ago (which was okay
with me, i'm not too into those things)...
alex
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