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001=Usr:0 Null User 06/30/87 20:34 Msg:0 Call:0 Lines:19
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1$If you are in need of help, you need but ask...
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2$************************* INSTALLED: 15 NOV 89 ***************************
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3$Welcome to BWMS II (BackWater Message System II) Mike Day System operator
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4$**************************************************************************
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5$GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS II IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION
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6$ PLACED ON THIS SYSTEM.
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7$BWMS II was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS II is a privately
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8$owned and operated system which is currently open for use by the general
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9$public. No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. As the
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10$system is privately owned, I retain the right to remove any and all
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11$messages which I may find offensive. Because of the limited size of the
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12$system, it will be periodically purged of messages (only 999 lines of data
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13$can be saved). To leave a message, type 'ENTER'. Use ctrl/C to get out
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14$the ENTER mode. The message is automatically stored. If after entering
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15$the message you find you made a mistake, use the replace command to
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16$replace the line. To exit from the system, type 'BYE' then hang up.
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17$Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system.
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18$**************************************************************************
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19$
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002=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 11/15/89 22:43 Msg:4571 Call:25471 Lines:2
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20 He who pays the bills gets to make the rules.
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21 ***********************************************************************
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003=Usr:13 voyeur 11/16/89 00:21 Msg:4572 Call:25474 Lines:9
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22 :::::::::O O:::::::::11/16/89:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::00:29:07::::O O::::::
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23 And here I stand, looking down on the less lofty lowlife scum who didn't make
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24 it here to the exalted reaches of the Top of the Disk. Nothing above me --
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25 and as they say, "no News is good news."
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26
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27 Milchar - I believe PorSFiS is a week-and-a-half away - the 25th. Last weekend
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28 should have been a meeting, but OryCon happened. (I was at the one on the 28th
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29 , so I know my two-week cycle is in tune).
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30 :::::::::O O:::::::::::::::::::::::voyeur:::::::::::::::::::::::::::O O::::::::
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004=Usr:232 bob lindski 11/16/89 08:34 Msg:4573 Call:25476 Lines:8
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31 ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
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32 "no News is good news." How'ver it requires not too much G-NEWS to guess
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33 that the Guy who pays the bills gets to post those news(sance) to some.
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34 As they used to say ` exceptio probat regulam de rebus non exceptis '.
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35 In other word To Be Forewarned Is To Be Forearmed or som'thing to that
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36 effect. et tu Bob?
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37 \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\11\16\89 Bl
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005=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 11/16/89 12:36 Msg:4574 Call:25479 Lines:50
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39 696969696969
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40 11/15/89 By DAVID E. ANDERSON
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41 WASHINGTON (UPI) -- There has been "a significant erosion" of public
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42 confidence in the news media as an objective and impartial reporter but news
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43 organizations are still trusted more than politicians, a new study said
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44 Wednesday.
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45 The study, "The People and the Press," by the Times Mirror Center for the
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46 People & the Press" said the news media remain "far more believable than
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47 President Bush and other public figures." The media's overall favorability
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48 ratings are in the 80 percent range and its "watchdog" value to society
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49 continues to be appreciated.
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50 "Since the Times Mirror began its `People & The Press' research program five
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51 years ago, there has been a significant erosion of public confidence in the
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52 press as an objective reporter of the news and as an impartial observer of the
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53 political and social scenes," the survey found.
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54 "Americans from all walks of life find fault with the way the press reports
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55 on the personal and ethical behavior of political leaders. These criticisms are
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56 now shaping opinions of the press and shadowing its credibility."
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57 "The general public, as always in the past, is two-minded in its evaluation
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58 of the press and its performance," the survey said. "Majorities continue to lik
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59 and believe the press but there are ample signs in the survey that criticisms o
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60 press practice have substantially increased."
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61 Daily newspapers have suffered a greater decline in believabilty than the
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62 electronic news media since 1985, the survey said, losing 16 points since 1985,
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63 with just 68 percent of the public now finding them believable.
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64 But it said majorities rate 15 of the 16 news organizations or personalities
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65 studied as believable most of the time, with the Wall Street Journal and Cable
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66 News Network receiving the highest believablity ratings, followed closely by th
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67 news divisions of the three networks and their evening anchors.
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68 "To put these numbers in perspective, only Pope John Paul II gets better
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69 believability ratings than the news organizations measured in the study," it
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70 said. "President Bush, former President Reagan, businessman Donald Trump and
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71 entertainer Johnny Carson are all believable to a smaller percentage of
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72 Americans than are major news organizations and prominent journalits.
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73 "Geraldo Rivera is the only news media figure to receive a negative
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74 believablity rating from a majority of those who could rate him," it said.
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75 Despite the criticisms leveled against the news media, huge majorities
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76 generally give it high favorability ratings -- 82 percent regarding network
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77 television news favorably, compared with 80 percent for local TV news and 77
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78 percent for daily newspapers.
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79 In contrast, Bush had a 70 percent favorability rating, the Supreme Court a
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80 61 percent rating, the Congress 52 percent and Vice President Dan Quayle was
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81 rated favorably by just 39 percent of those surveyed.
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82 Among the 16 organizations and personalities, ABC News anchor Peter Jennings
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83 led the believability list, with 85 percent of those who rated his performance
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84 calling him believable. CNN and NBC News were next at 84 percent, followed by
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85 the Wall Street Journal at 83 percent; NBC News anchor Tom Brokaw, 81 percent;
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86 and there was a three-way tie between CBS New anchor Dan Rather, ABC News
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87 Nightline anchor Ted Koppel and CBS News, all with 79 percent.
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88 696969696969696969
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006=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 11/16/89 21:30 Msg:4575 Call:25488 Lines:41
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89 &*&*&*&*'s
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90
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91 The construction of the object was a very precise undertaking. Far more
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92 precise in fact then could be expected of the average mortal. The lines
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93 and agles where in fact very illogical, but that was what gave it its
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94 magic.
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95
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96 The final step was not the hardest, but it was the most time consuming. The
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97 Object was placed in box and left in a locked box of 57 years. The time had
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98 to be precise down to the minute or the desired effect would not take place.
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99 Karl waited for the numbers on his smart new digital watch to line up. As
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100 can be ascertained from the length of this last step he was quite an old man.
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101 His hand shock slightly and his eyes squinted to get a better image of the
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102 watch face.
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103
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104 There was also the look of madness about him, and mixed in with that the
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105 air of determination that had kept him going. "Moratilian, you'll be getting
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106 yours soon." he mumbled under his breath. "Only two more minutes."
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108 As he fineshed uttering these words there was a brilliant flash of light and
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109 a much younger looking man appeared beside him. "I'll be taking that now."
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111 "Yes you will." Karl said smiling.
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112
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113 "Why waist so many years of effort on petty revenge. Now hurry, there is
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114 little time."
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115
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116 "No Moratillian, there is no time." So saying Karl opened the box and the
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117 younger man was reduced to a black smudge.
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118
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119 And the moral of the story is left to the reader as an excercise.
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120
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121 OK, so it wasn't very good. I thought I'd try just writting whatever came
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122 to mind. It doesn't really matter what sort of an effort I put forth, as
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123 I've almost never gotten any feed back here or anywhre else. Not even
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124 for the very few good things I've written.
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125
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126 An Astral Dreamer (Trying to lay down a new guilt trip.)
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127 &*&*&*&*'s
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128
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129 (And Failing.)
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007=Usr:29 The Bard 11/16/89 23:14 Msg:4576 Call:25489 Lines:30
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130 News: unless you've significantly changed at least the wording, you are
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131 violating copyright. If you have been, then my apologies.
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132
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133 As for your novel ideas regarding "public media", do try to recall that this
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134 system is privately owned. If you feel that this is irrelevant, then I'll be
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135 over shortly to set up a board pushing *my* views on *your* equipment.
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136
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137 You seem to think that allowing some people to express opinions and not
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138 allowing others to express theirs *on this system* constitutes censorship. If
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139 we tried to do that here, or if we tried to force other systems to do so, then
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140 it would be. But the sysop has the final say as to what is acceptable on his
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141 system and that is not censorship. If it was, then the editorial pages of any
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142 newspaper are prime examples of censorship!
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143
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144 Your "sins" are twofold (in my opinion, our Cistop may have his own reasons).
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145 First, you are *boring*. After reading only a few of your postings, it is easy
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146 to figure what your comments about a news item will be.
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147 Second, you are long-winded. Just because the space is there doesn't mean that
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148 it is your place to fill it. So it may take weeks to fill up the disk. Maybe
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149 we prefer quality to quantity?
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150
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151 Finally, you mainly seem to be lecturing us rather than attempting to establish
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152 a dialogue. I have yet to see a system where the users take to being lectured
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153 at.
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154
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155 And as for the lack of comment, I guess it never occurred to you that the users
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156 might be trying the old "ignore him and maybe he'll go away" technique? As far
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157 as I can tell, the few comments you've gotten have all been negative. Maybe
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158 you need to take the hint?
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159 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~BARD~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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008=Usr:366 berney dunn 11/17/89 01:32 Msg:4577 Call:25494 Lines:13
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160 What is the future of human life? I wonder, as i suppose we all do in this era
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161 of environmental insanity. Are we alone, to spend out our little time on this
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162 damaged and dirty dust ball unnoticed? Perhaps. But I expect better things for
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163 our decendants.
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164 Jean watched the view screens as the ship approached the planet. A bright
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165 swath of bluish lighted area arched over the dark region just below, speckled
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166 with brighter lights. Arranda touched the controls and the ship rolled sightly
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167 into the prescribed orbit na descended into the upper air. The view blurred as
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168 the ionized shock wave became thicker. Once they were below the light, the
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169 view became dull, so Jean went back to their room to play with Arranda's son,
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170 his owner. What a life for a monkey, he thought, far better than to be stuck
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171 in the jungle back on earth.
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172 ----------------------------------------B.A.D.------------------------------
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009=Usr:286 Jeff Marten 11/17/89 15:43 Msg:4578 Call:25502 Lines:97
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173
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175 {+}{+}{+}{+}
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176
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177 I know that some here object to "non-original" material of any
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178 length being posted. Following are excerpts from an article
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179 entitled "Taking Drugs - Seriously" by P.J. O'Rourke. I did not
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180 get this from a service and post it to annoy anyone or clutter up
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181 the board. I tediously hand transcribed this and am posting it
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182 because I found it both provocative and entertaining to read - and
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183 I hope it will inspire some comment, discussion or debate. The
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184 full article is in the November 30th issue of Rolling Stone.
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186 -+|[ ThingFish ]|+-
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188 I'd gone with the police to raid a crack house. They were using
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189 leased sedans and their own private cars to keep from being "made" too
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190 quickly on the street. But every head turned as we drove through. You
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191 don't see brand new cars like these in this neighborhood. That is, you
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192 don't see brand new CHEAP cars. We should have come in BMW's. It's hard
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193 to get too wet and sentimental about poverty that wears $100 gym
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194 shoes. Sure, there were poor people who lived on this street, people
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195 fracturing ass to keep them and theirs together, working long hours for
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196 low pay at lousy jobs - jobs such as being a District of Columbia
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197 police officer. But these weren't the people we came to see.
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198 This whole country's got something worse wrong than drugs. We are
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199 the richest nation in the world - richest in our weight class anyway
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200 (get outta here, Brunei) - and you can't walk one block in any city in
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201 America without wackos and soaks spitting up in your pant cuffs. We
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202 have a near record low rate of unemployment, and you can't stop at
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203 stoplight without getting squeegeed in the kisser by practitioners of
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204 beggery - the most rapidly expanding sector of America's service
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205 economy. One out of five American children are growing up needy, and
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206 fifty three percent of those kids have nothing for a dad except a
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207 blind, microscopic, wiggle-tailed gamete that hasn't held a job since
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208 it got to the womb. Drugs are an improvement on some of these problems.
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209 Drugs are the answer, after all, when the question is "How can I get
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210 high as a kite?" or "How can I make money without working?"
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211 So what are we going to do about drugs? We can get hysterical about
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212 them. That's always been fun. I can remember when the occasional be-bop
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213 musician's ownership of a Mary Jane cigarette threatened to turn every
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214 middle-class American teenager into a sex-crazed car thief. This
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215 particular hysteria proved well founded. Every middle-class American
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216 teenager did try marijuana and did become sex-crazed (although no more
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217 car thievish than usual). Marijuana is also self punishing. It makes
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218 you acutely sensitive, and in this world, what worse punishment could
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219 there be? By the time PCP came along to make kids psychotic, kids were
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220 acting so psychotic anyway, who could tell the difference? Heroin turns
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221 people into amoral scuzzballs. But a heroin addict who gets his fix is
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222 well behaved or dead (and you can't get better behaved than that).
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223 Crack is, of course, pretty bad stuff. It's as though, after years of
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224 trying, we've finally come up with a drug that's as evil as our parents
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225 said dope was. It's cheap, addictive, makes you feel like Donald Trump
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226 and act like Abu Nidal, and it keeps you awake to take more. Maybe we
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227 should get hysterical about crack.
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228 We can jump on the political bandwagon with President Bush. I loved
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229 Bush on television doing his drug policy speech, especially the part
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230 where he pulled out that humungo baggie with the cellular phone size
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231 lump of crack in it. That was pure Captain Kangaroo: "Bunny Rabbit, you
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232 leave those carrots alone." The Democrats in Congress want us to jump,
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233 not on the bandwagon, but into the pork barrel. "We don't know what
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234 needs doing, but a lot more of it needs to be done, let's spend, spend,
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235 spend." The bleeding-nose liberals are in favor of more education. More
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236 education about what? Consumer economics? Maybe social workers should
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237 fan out across the ghetto and try to convince crack dealers that
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238 Mercedes 190s are overpriced and they'd get more car for their money if
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239 they bought Turbo Saab 900s. Whatever the new government anti-drug plan
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240 is, it will probably work about as well as the old government plan, or
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241 any other government plan. I mean we're talking about government, you
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242 know - the people who run the post office. Drug czar William Bennett
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243 has been given the responsibility for curing the entire nation's drug
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244 ills, and he's also been given approximately the same civil authority
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245 as Ann Landers. We're not serious about the drug trouble in this
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246 country. We're not serious about the trouble causing the drug trouble.
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247 We're not serious about anything. We are not a serious nation.
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248 One of the annoying things about believing in free will and
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249 individual responsibility is the difficulty of finding somebody to
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250 blame your problems on. And when you do find somebody, its remarkable
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251 how often his picture shows up on your driver's license. I'm giving up
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252 drugs, not because I give a damn about who gets high on what, but
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253 because I'm disgusted by the feckless, unruly, sheer, silly
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254 irresponsibility of...me. Personally, I don't think all drugs of
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255 pleasure should be illegal. Maybe the drug laws should be changed. But
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256 drug laws are not immoral laws the way laws of segregation were. I've
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257 flipped through Thoreau, Gandhi and Martin Luther King, and I don't
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258 notice any of them going to jail or fasting or getting smacked on the
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259 head so mankind can do tootski. This is a democracy. We're free to
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260 change the laws any time we want. All we have to do is vote. In the
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261 meantime if a person like me - rich, white, privileged, happy - cannot
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262 even bother to abide by the legal standards of his society, of a
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263 society that has provided him with everything that a civilization can
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264 be expected to provide, then that person deserves his drug problems and
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265 everybody else's drug problems, too.
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266
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268 {+}{+}{+}{+}
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269
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010=Usr:49 Bob Bennet 11/17/89 17:58 Msg:4579 Call:25506 Lines:29
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270 ..................................................................
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271 Bard: As for your novel idea regarding "public media" if private ownership
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272 is the criterion, then the only "public media" are the state-owned. All
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273 commercial TV, radio and newspapers that I know of are privately owned.
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274 "Public media" are those that are accessible to the public, ownership has
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275 nothing to do with it.
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277 Allowing SOME to express opinion, and not others is, by definition,
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278 censorship. On this system, or any other, in a newspaper, or on TV.
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279 YOU are the one claiming that the editorial page of a newspaper doesn't
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280 represent censorship. I would claim that it is a fine example.
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281
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282 By the way, who are you to declare whether someone else is violating any
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283 copyright except one that you own? That is for the OWNER of the copyright to
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284 declare. The courts have not made any such ruling. One of the key
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285 requirements for a copyright infringement is damage to the copyright owner, by
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286 the way. A free system that sees no financial gain, and claims on its opening
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287 screen it has no responsibility for what's posted would be quite safe from
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288 legal prosecution according to some legal minds, but again, the courts have
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289 stayed away from that issue.
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290
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291 I like your idea of you setting up a board and expressing Your views on my
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292 equipment. If I opened a system to the public, you would be welcome, as would
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293 all other callers.
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294
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295 One more point: NO NOT ALL the comments about the news have been negative.
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296
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011=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 11/17/89 18:41 Msg:4580 Call:25507 Lines:13
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299 &*&*&*&*'s
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300 I have been known to make a positive comment now and again. Bards comment is
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301 just another example of what we all do. That is we ignore information that
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302 does not agree with our point of view.
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303
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304 The interactivity of Backwater is about nil for me these days. I'm starting
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305 to wonder why I call. Even my whining is getting to be a bore. I've been
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306 on here 1.5 years, and I've read the archive back to 86 or so. This is
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307 darn close to the most boring BW has been.
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308
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309 An Astral Dreamer
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310 &*&*&*&*'s(No aside today.)
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012=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock 11/17/89 19:34 Msg:4581 Call:25508 Lines:42
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313 Friar: Agreed, wholeheartedly. The problem, I believe, lies in the fact that
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314 the literary community, as a whole, seems to have gone on to other, greener
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315 pastures. When you're dealing with the "multiple user creator universe", as we
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316 have established here, the slow decline of authors will escalate, as no small
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317 number of creative thinkers wishes to impose their private will upon the
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318 mass, or the world that they have created. That's why I've paused in my
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319 postings. I named the planet, I created the Stone Triangle and Techalysis, the
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320 Central City. I established the Networks (Not the NET), and the presence of
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321 the New Bar (as yet unnamed) in Techalysis. I added te Quantier, a relic from
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322 Pyrrix A'aaal's (The planet) past(?) (though I may have revealed too much
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323 just then).
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324 The point of all that is that one user can't do it alone.... or even two,
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325 or three users, for that matter. We, the authors, do NOOT want Backwater's
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326 multi-user universe to be "Zephyr and Friar's Playground". Instead, it must be
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327 an effort on the parts of all the writers who presently inhabit the board,
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328 lurking in the shadows.
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329 For instance, what lies beyond the Central City? What is the origin of
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330 the mysterious inn (Inn) in the small desert tiwn? Where did the Pool come
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331 from? What are the origins of the Stone Triangle? Who built it? Why? I
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332 created many of the sparks that might ignite these fires, but I'm not going to
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333 fan them. I'd rather that that be done by users whose interests I might have
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334 piqued.
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335 Sadly, howevr, one of the things that turned many writers off from the
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336 original system's universe, and one of the causes for the decay of that world,
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337 and of the general literary atmosphere of BWMS was the lack of enthusiasm that
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338 greeted many new writers. At the beginning, each entry into that mythical
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339 world was greeted with joy and welcome. Towards the end, however, very few new
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340 writers were allowed to join in on the great and cosmic quests. I recall
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341 distinctly seeing many writers' characters being literally kicked out of the
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342 adventures because they were new. Well, now that EVERYTHING is new, and now
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343 that all the older users (well, almost) have left, new authors are probably
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344 more than a little concerned that their work will not "fit in" with the world,
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345 and will be discounted, or ignored, or explained away by "the governing boody"
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346 of authors. Hopefully, we can prove them wrong.
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347 A.D., I'm curious about what lies beyond the city. I'd like to know how
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348 Pyrrix A'aaal connects with the Inn, or with Innisfall, and why so many patrons
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349 from one found tthemselves in the other
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350 after the demise of the latter. Perhaps, with your view of the Astral Plane,
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351 you might have seen something we missed?
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013=Usr:366 berney dunn 11/18/89 01:21 Msg:4582 Call:25518 Lines:4
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354 Humm, but what I miss is the old philosophical
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355 arguements and flames. Or have I been gone too long?
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356 ------------------------------- B.A.D. --------------------------------------
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357 .
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014=Usr:333 Bartender Slug 11/18/89 20:49 Msg:4583 Call:25528 Lines:3
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358
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359 You've been gone too long.
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360
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015=Usr:29 The Bard 11/18/89 23:54 Msg:4584 Call:25531 Lines:16
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361 Let me get this straight, you seem to be saying that it is *wrong* for a
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362 newspaper to only print the views that it's editors agree with. If so, wouldn't
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363 it follow that they should be forced to print other views? In that case, what
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364 has happened to "freedom of the press"?
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365
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366 Sorry, but to have any meaning, freedom of the press must include the freedom
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367 to *not* print views you disagree with. And I (and many others) maintain that
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368 a BBS should come under freedom of the press, not freedom of speech.
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369
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370 As for copyright, monetary gain does *not* matter. The penalties are the same
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371 whether the illegal copies are free or you charge for them. And if you check,
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372 sysops *have* been charged with copyright violation for carrying copies of
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373 software on *free* systems. As long as there is any doubt, I'd hope you'd
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374 refrain from anything that might lead to legal action. You may not be easy to
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375 find, but the sysop is!
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376 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~BARD~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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016=Usr:47 John Dilks 11/19/89 11:07 Msg:4585 Call:25534 Lines:45
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377 -------------------------]
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378 To news person: You yourself seem to have some pretty "novel" ideas about
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379 things. Copyright infringment is when you use the copyright holder's
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380 material without their permission. Since the news services make their
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381 permission requirements well know, and it is obvious that you are not
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382 following that persion since you don't indicate the permission in your
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383 messages you are in violation of those copyrights. Whether the news service
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384 decides to legally go after you in particular is a whole different issue
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385 over and above that of copyright violation.
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386 No matter what the sysop says in the opening message, if he is aware of
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387 the copyright violation and permits it to continue then he is an
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388 accesory to the crime, and is punishable under law. The laws regarding
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389 this issue are very clear. You cannot escape responsibility simply by
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390 saying that you are not responsible.
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391 In regard to censureship and freedom of speech verses freedom of press,
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392 that is another issue where you seem to have things muddled, as is often
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393 the case with many people. It shows how poorly the schools are teaching
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394 the very underpinings that this country is based on.
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395 As the little blub says at the start of the disk, "he who pays the bills
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396 gets to make the rules." That is the basis behind the freedoms. If I put
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397 together a newspaper, no one can force me to put in the paper anything
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398 that I do not feel fits. That is an editorial right declared declared by
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399 constitution itself. On the same note it means that YOU can do the same,
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400 put together a newspaper (or other form of information media) and present
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401 your views as you deem it, and no one can tell you what you can or cannot
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402 put in the paper. That is YOUR editorial right since you are paying the
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403 bills for your own media.
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404 Censorship. This is a messy area that gets pretty muddled even by those
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405 "in the know". The reason why is because the laws have been pretty well
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406 mangled on this issue. Some of them are justified, others aren't.
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407 One example of censorship that is acceptable under the laws is that of
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408 the government control over the broadcast industry. The reason behind this
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409 is that the airwaves belong to the public, not to the media. As such, the
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410 public is leasing air space to the braodcast industry. This means that the
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411 public (in the form of the government) has the right to place restrictions
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412 on what can and cannot be braodcast over their airwaves.
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413 An area where censorship is less viable is in the movie industry. Obviously,
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414 you do not have to see a movie if you don't want to, nor is it broadcast
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415 over publicly owned airwaves. Yet there is censorship in the form of the
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416 movie rating system (G,PG,PG13,R - there is no such rating as X by the way,
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417 that was an invention by the porn industry). This is however a voluntary
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418 censorship. That is, the movie industry submits to it under pressure. They
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419 are not required to follow it, but do so since they want to make money.
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420 Rats, runnig out of time...
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421 ---------------------------- John ----------------------------------------
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017=Usr:47 John Dilks 11/19/89 11:39 Msg:4586 Call:25535 Lines:30
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422 A quick addon here about "public media." That's a messy conotation.
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423 The problem here is that you seem to be mixing Publicly owned media
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424 verses privately owned media. As with the broadcast media, there can
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425 be some public control of privately owned media. Or as is the case
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426 with most newspapers, there can be none. It is not a black and white
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427 issue. It depends on many factors. Because a store is open to the
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428 public, it does not mean that you have any right to tell them what
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429 they can put on their shelves and what they can't. Though a wise store
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430 manager will listen to the customers, it is still his decision, not yours.
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431 The same is true for a newspaper. On the other hand, the congressional
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432 record belongs to the public, therefore it is a "Public media" all government
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433 publications belong to the people, and therefore are public. However,
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434 some of them may be restricted by the represetatives of the people (the
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435 government) for various reasons.
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436 Basically what this all means is that if you use public funds or other
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437 assistance, then the public has the right to control what is printed.
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438 If you use only your own private finds and materials, then no one can
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439 tell you what can or cannotbe printed. You can have your distribution
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440 limited though if itadversly affects the public. An example is the control
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441 of adult book stores. The control only comes into being when it involves
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442 the public as a whole. If you sell a dirty magazine to someone else in the
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443 privacy of your own home without anyone else involved, then it is a transaction
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444 between the two of you, and the public has no say over it. Though there are
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445 some who would like to control such things and have periodicaly tried.
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446 (and sometimes succeded for a time).
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447 Basically what this means is that if Mikey doesn't want to carry news re-prints
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448 on his "selves", then he doesn't have to. This is because you are free to
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449 print your news at your own expense if you wish. Since Mikey pays the bills
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450 here, he gets to make the rules. That is his right, not yours.
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451 ------------------------- John -------------- gone on too long about it all----
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018=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock 11/19/89 12:29 Msg:4587 Call:25537 Lines:10
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452 :::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::====
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453 John: Just a quick side note. There IS a rating for X in reality. It simply
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454 means that ANYONE under 18 cannot attend the film, even with adult permission.
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455 It is a registered rating..... just go to any theater, and you'll see a list o
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456 of the ratings and their significance. What are NOT listed are the XX, XXX, or
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457 however many extra X's they want to put on. THOSE were created by the
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458 pornography oindustry. X simply means that NO ONE under 18 will supposedly be
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459 allowed i..... which is why most of the films that are X are designed for
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460 people with mindsets between the 14-17 age range. :)
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461 :::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::==Zephyr::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::====
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019=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 11/19/89 12:52 Msg:4588 Call:25538 Lines:31
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462 **********************************************************************
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463 OK people, just so that we are all aware of the basis by which all
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464 this is derived, here are the following Consitutional amendments
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465 from the Bill of Rights which deal with the subject being discussed.
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466
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467 Article I
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468 Religious Establishment Prohibited. Freedom of Speech, of the Press,
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469 and Right to Petition.
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470
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471 Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
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472 or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
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473 speech or of the press; or the right of the people to peaceably
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474 assemble and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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475
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476 Article IX
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477 Rule of Construction of Constitution.
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478
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479 The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not
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480 be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
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481
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482 Article X
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483 Rights of States under Constitution.
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485 The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution,
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486 nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States
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487 respectively, or to the people.
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488
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489 ***********************************************************************
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490 As an interesting aspect, note that it does not prohibit the States
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491 from restricting freedoms or rights, only the Congress.
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492 ***********************************************************************
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020=Usr:13 voyeur 11/19/89 23:49 Msg:4589 Call:25552 Lines:56
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493 WwWwWwWwWwWwWwWwWwWwWwWwWWwWwWwWwWwWwWwWwWwWwWwWwWwWwWwWwWwWwWwWwWwWwWwWwWwWwW
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495 He was a pale man of medium height and slight build. When one chanced to
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496 glimpse him going about his business, it was not so much his physical charac-
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497 teristics they found remarkable, but rather his mannerisms.
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498 For he scurried through his life permanently hunched over a small hand-
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499 held device. Indeed, in its presence -- which is as much to say 'under all
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500 occasions' -- he appeared quite impervious to stimulation from any external
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501 source.
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502 Nor do I feel it amiss to exclude said device from the ranks of those
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503 objects external to himself, so amazing was the way his nimble hands deftly
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504 played over its miniature keyboard in a bond that could be termed symbiotic;
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505 but which to some seemed genetic in origin.
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506 I knew not the details of the device -- or of the man, for that matter --
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507 though I worked closely with him, or them, for very many years. And if you
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508 have noted my confusion on his (or their) classification, I would state this:
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509 That I have become convinced that he and it were interwoven. And that the
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510 destruction of one would so alter the other that neither could maintain in
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511 existence -- the one being destroyed and the other so altered as to be an
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512 essentially different being.
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513 Extraordinary as this statement may see, I am compelled still to offer
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514 it without elaboration, except to describe to you the observations that led to
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515 its utterance.
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517 Where we have all seen that normal individuals, when forming a thought,
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518 will categorize the thought and file it away in his memory for later recall,
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519 I observed that my colleague would no sooner create an idea than his fingers
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520 would play it out on the little keyboard earlier mentioned. The process would
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521 occur so quickly and so flawlessly, that the man was under no personal
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522 obligation to file the thought in his own memory.
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523 On one occasion when he and I were conversing, we came to a point where
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524 he seemed to desire referring to me by name. He paused for a brief moment,
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525 and, as it was a rare instance when I could see the device's display, I saw my
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526 name appear on the screen, which allowed him to continue.
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527 On this line I would interject two beliefs: one, that some of my
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528 colleague's conversations were scripted in their entirety by the thing. The
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529 other, that in all the years we worked together, I believe he never endeavored
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530 to memorize my name.
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531 If this seems odd, however, I will now mention that I never learned my
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532 friend's true name. Most certainly, even if compelled under the threat of
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533 death (or, much worse, physical discomfort) I could never have revealed more
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534 than a ponderous list of pseudonyms.
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535
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536 As it was that the two beings seemed inextricably connected, it is note-
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537 worthy that the man could frequently be found arguing with the device in a
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538 most passionate fashion. I believe this was analagous to the way most of us
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539 debate internally a course of action when confronted with more than one poss-
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540 ibility. It was as if he was obliged to consult the mechanism to discern his
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541 own mind.
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542 But I find that I have digressed from my intended discourse. For the
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543 events I now set out to describe began on a certain autumn day when he was
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544 sent on a particular mission. He was to be the first contact for a newly
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545 indoctrinated agent I much later learned owned the name of 'Albright'.
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547 WwWwWwWwWwWwWwWwWwWwWwWwWwWwWwWw Watsworth wWwWwWwWwWwWwWwWwWwWwWwWwWwWwWwWwW
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021=Usr:402 DELTA.FIVE SHANN 11/20/89 01:55 Msg:4590 Call:25554 Lines:32
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549 [*=*] [*=*] [*=*] DELTA FIVE [*=*] [*=*] [*=*] [*=*] [*=*] [*=*] [*=*] [*=*]
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550 Greetings from Smogicon Valley. ZEPHYR: What you say is true. I have never expe
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551 ienced anything like the dog-eat-dog out-for-he-buck greed that is the way of
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552 life here. Every day I spend in Californicate I detest it more. (Soon, I am
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553 buying a motorhome and getting the hell out) What I was trying to say is that
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554 there are some decent people here, and I was impressed with how many took the
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555 time to help others, and that I got a good feeling from having been one of them
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556 This was the RACES; Radio Amateur Civil Emergency Services. I delivered a few
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557 messages recieved from ham operators; people wanting to know if relatives, etc,
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558 were alive and well, and providing transportation for people in need of same.
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559 California, in general, sucks. But there are some decent people here.
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560 L'Homme: I saw someone who resembled Leroy and lobbed off a few rounds in his
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561 general direction, but I think I missed...Look for mail, now that I have your
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562 address.
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563
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564 I have taken the liberty of naming my new BBS after Backwater. If cistop Mikey
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565 objects, I will-in respect for my favorite board-change it. For now, it is
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566 Backwater South. This is a 'Citadel' (rooms) system that auto networks with
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567 a hundred or so BBS's all over the world. One room (spy) will be for NET
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568 stories. Names of BWMS characters are reserved here, and thay can have the
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569 same names here as in Portland.
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570 User validation is not required; new users have all privledges. Log on with
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571 whatever name you like, set your password, and you are on.
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572
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573 If anyone in Portland is on a Citadel system, please let me know, and I will
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574 look into networking with them.
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575
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576 If anyone is in touch with John (Dreamtoucher) please let me know...
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577 Backwater South is 408-293-0525 300,1200,2400 N81; PO Box 1883 San Jose
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578 Californicate 95109.
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579
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580 [*=*] [*=*] [*=*] DELTA FIVE IN SAN JOSE [*=*] [*=*] [*=*] [*=*] [*=*]
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022=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 11/20/89 07:25 Msg:4591 Call:25555 Lines:8
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581 &*&*&*&*'s
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582 DELTA FIVE, there are atleast a couple of reliable Citadel systems here in
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583 Portland. One of them is 3CPU at 2469712, and the other is Great Corrupter at
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584 2368311. Both subscribe to altleast a few of the rooms on the national net.
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585
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586 An Astral Dreamer
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587 &*&*&*&*'s
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588
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023=Usr:219 Friar Mossback 11/20/89 16:50 Msg:4592 Call:25562 Lines:26
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589 *****************************************************************
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590 * *
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591 * A Personal Invitation *
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592 * *
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593 * All BackWater BBS patrons are invited to join the ranks of *
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594 * *
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595 * ==>> A Flight of Inspiration <<== *
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596 * *
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597 * A new BBS running QuickBBS. It is intended as a replacement *
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598 * for Blue Parrot on an interim basis, and for JD's Place on a *
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599 * permanent basis. It is also intended as a suplement to BW, *
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600 * not in lieu of. The sysop of the system is Friar, and the *
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601 * chronicles here (BWMS) are from a different time. *
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602 * *
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603 * The technical particulars are: 300/1200/2400 baud *
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604 * (300 from 0100-1500) *
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605 * N-8-1 *
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606 * No MNP *
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607 * ANSI colors available *
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608 * *
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609 * Call when you wish, aliases are allowed, even encouraged! *
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610 * *
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611 * ==>> 7 7 7 - x x x x <<== *
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612 * *
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613 *****************************************************************
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614
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615 {}
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616
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617 AD: Consider that I now work 10-18 hours a day, and that many others
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618 are "running out of time". "Responsible Age" is creeping up on all of
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619 us, and that usually translates into "less time". In the few 21 years
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620 I have been living, I knew that this would come; and I have always
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621 sought a means of escape from it, to my world, not just a world of
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622 fiction and daydreams, but a world that I can sleep, eat, love,
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623 harvest, and enjoy in. Do not remorse the loss of "time"; I finally
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624 understand a message that Mr. Wilson left in his first trilogy. Age
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625 and Death are what we really are escaping from, and as we can't prolong
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626 life or create living immortality, we seek to spend as much time
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627 enjoying our little world as possible. The Games of Mankind,
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628 that is, Power/Government, Money/Economics, Belief Control/Religion,
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629 and the Good-Evil alignment, are mearly distractions from
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630 the ultimate: the end of existence. Out of time, continue later...
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631
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632 Hagbard Celine
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633
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634 {}
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025=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 11/21/89 08:48 Msg:4594 Call:25573 Lines:16
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635 &*&*&*&*'s
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636 Hagbard, To some extent I understand what you are talking about. I only work
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637 8 hours a day usually, but with commuting and preperation it is closer to ten.
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638 Add in 8 hours for sleep and there isn't much time left. And even those six or
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639 so hours don't seem to last long enough.
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640
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641 But for me I don't think that it is the lack of time. I just can't seem to
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642 get into the right mindset to actually write somthing. I don't see how
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643 people do this sort of thing on a part time basis. I suppose being largly
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644 ignored on alt.prose earlier in the year didn't help my enthusiasm either.
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645
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646 Enough of my complaints. It was nice to have somebody acknowledge my existence.
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647
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648 An Astral Dreamer
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649 &*&*&*&*'s
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650
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026=Usr:277 Schizo 11/21/89 23:12 Msg:4595 Call:25584 Lines:2
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651 I am still alive, Am I?
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652 - Schizo
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653
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654 {}
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655
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656 Writing is simply the by-product of your imagination. Having
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657 writer's block is, well, being self-concious. Let your writing
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658 drift off...
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659
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660 * * *
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661
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662 ...to another day, although not as perfect as the previous. Winter
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663 is near, and the cool air outside is a constant reminder. As I walk,
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664 I notice that my tummy protests; not in hunger, but in fullness. I've
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665 made the mistake of filling up and not waiting for my meal to
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666 subside. Each step causes my abdominals to groan in pain, and
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667 it's another block to the house. Sometimes I panic that I'll
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668 explode because I didn't stop walking, but I always make it back
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669 in time to rest. My eyes look in despiration for the colour of the
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670 house - ah, there it is! A slow trot brings me to the front door,
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671 fingers numbly searching for the house key, body swollen and
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672 perspiring from heavy clothing, the key, the key, almost had it,
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673 YES! Jamming the key into the door pains my fingers further, but the
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674 warmth of the house brings relief...
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675
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676 * * *
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677
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678 ...to my own writer's block. Granted, the last paragraph was
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679 dull, poorly constructed, and filled with the wonderfully bad
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680 grammar of "west-coast southern", as I was raised in southern Oregon
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681 (ICK!) - but I wrote it "improptu". I know (almost) EXACTLY how
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682 you feel. Remember, there are three sides to each coin, and
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683 seeing only two adds to the falacy. You wish to sensitize yourself
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684 to the world, but the emotions and pain around you swell like
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685 a tsunami, and you wish to be indifferent and cold. The third side
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686 to this "flat coin" is to either look for alternatives or to
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687 precisely control your sensitivity to others. Am I right in
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688 understanding that you feel discouraged mainly by the lack of
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689 sensitivity of others on the board (ie., they are disinterested
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690 in writing, and of your own), and because of this "problem", you
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691 wish to sound indifferent? Where's that third alternative?
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692 Why not be indifferent, yet write for your OWN enjoyment? Or
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693 do you not enjoy the creative part of your own prose? Isn't it
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694 the same feeling as what you get seeing a large program run after
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695 weeks of work? Or the same as when a mechanic's hot rod comes to
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696 life, after a meticulous build & modification? Or how about the
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697 chemist that produces a synthetic substance as a personal experiment?
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698 Do you ever experience that feeling? Better yet, do you understand
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699 how to control yourself to produce results, while remaining
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700 sensitive to other's opinions? You must walk the "Razor's Edge"
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701 to find this, and your feet WILL hurt the first time.
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702
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703 OK, to say this in easier terms, GET OFF YOUR DUFF AND START
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704 WRITING. Even if it is a snippet, or a short paragraph, or
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705 a new (but weird) joke, or ANYTHING, you should write it.
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706 Birds sing without applause - a saying I see at someone's desk
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707 at work. But the point is that people DO enjoy your writing.
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708 Maybe they wish to see you WRITE SOME MORE; and even if they don't
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709 you should take pride in what you do. If you can't, then "type
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710 DOC at the prompt to receive help" ;->)
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711
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712 Hang in there!!!!
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713
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714 {}
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715
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716 Inside, I sat upon my duff, throw my legs into the air and onto
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717 the couch arm, and close my eyes in bliss, knowing full well that
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718 many house chores remain to be done. In my bliss, I go far, far
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719 away to what cou...would be a better world, well, you MIGHT say
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720 could. One where the poor don't walk the streets, but live in
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721 houses, where money has little meaning in relation to enjoying life,
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722 and in general, peace between neighbors of different beliefs,
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723 harmony between countries of different idology, and understanding
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724 of how every individual affects the world in a minute but
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725 important way.
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726
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727 Nah. Too easy for the human race. Isn't it?
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728
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729 Hagbard Celine
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730
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731 {}
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028=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 11/22/89 16:18 Msg:4597 Call:25591 Lines:20
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732 &*&*&*&*'s
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733 Hagbard, I think a large part of the pleasure I gain from writting is in
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734 getting input from other people. Wether it is to tell me they like it, or
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735 that they dislike it. I guess I am as guilty as anybody else, as I seldom
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736 take the time to comment on the fiction I see here. But I do often comment
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737 on the debates and other conversation, and I have even tried to start a
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738 debate or two. In those cases I have found I am almost always ignored.
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739 I think that is what really discourages/annoys me.
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740
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741 No fiction today, but I do have a question. I am thinking of designing and
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742 implamenting (In software.) a CPU. I know, it sounds strange, but I do have
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743 reasons for it. Now what I would like to know is what do you need for a CPU,
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744 and how do these parts interact? I know you need registers, OPCODES, interupts,
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745 etc.
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746
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747 So, would somebody PLEASE give me some info?
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748
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749 An Astral Dreamer
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750 &*&*&*&*'s
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751
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029=Usr:29 The Bard 11/22/89 20:40 Msg:4598 Call:25595 Lines:7
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752 Mikey:
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753 The Supreme Court has more or less established the precedent that th
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754 states may not abrogate any of the rights enumerated in the Constitution. So
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755 with regards to the Federal Government the constitution (plus amendments)
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756 delineates the *minimum* set of rights. With regards to the states, it may
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757 delineate the *maximum* rights you have...
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758 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~BARD~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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030=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 11/22/89 21:19 Msg:4599 Call:25597 Lines:34
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759 Bard,
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760 I'm not arguing with that. I only considered it interesting that the
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761 rights were not specifically specified as not being restrictable by the
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762 states. Thus it becomes a matter of interpritation, which means it can
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763 change in the future (as happened with the Roe/Wade decision).
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764 Actually, it's interesting reading the constitution. It's actually a
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765 rather vague document full of loop holes (obviously written by lawers! ;-)
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766 Even areas that seemed to be very solid and well defined when I read it
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767 in school now looks hopelessly vague. Probably because I'm used to the
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768 way the legal and political system manages to mangle the words and
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769 intent to mean whatever they want. As an example, look at Article II;
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770 "Right to Keep and Bear Arms" 'A well-regulated militia being
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771 necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people
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772 to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.' That's all it says,
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773 no exceptions, no weasle words. Yet as we both know, there are a
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774 multitude of regulations controlling the ownership of weapons, including
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775 regulations which inhibit the ownership of certain weapons. When I was
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776 in school, it seemed to be very clear to me. It stated that no laws
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777 could be made that restricted the ownership or use of weapons.
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778 (Infringed means the restriction of rights). But obviously the lawyers,
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779 politicians, and people felt so strongly that some regulations were needed
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780 that they were willing to redefine the words to mean what they wanted
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781 them to mean.
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782
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783 In regard to the comment somewhere above about the "X" rating, I suspect
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784 that what John was talking about is that "X" is not an offically
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785 rating by the board of movie censors (or whatever they are calling
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786 themselves these days). They don't want to have anything to do with
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787 those kinds of movies. Officially they are NR for Not Rated.
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788 But the movie industry uses the rating because it needs to notify
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789 the viewers of the type of movie it is. All the Not Rated means is that
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790 the censure board has not placed a rating on the movie either because it
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791 has not reviewed the movie, or because it refuses to review the movie.
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792 ********************************* CM **********************************
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031=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 11/23/89 15:45 Msg:4600 Call:25607 Lines:22
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793 =============================================================================
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794 Well "Cub", one reason your postings went on so long before being commented on
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795 is because believe it or not, there is a lot of patience on this system. We
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796 have had News reports before that stimulated discussion. These previous
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797 postings started something much bigger. Many of your postings were lifted
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798 almost word for word from the original. What did you expect in return for
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799 your efforts? You talk *at* people, not *to* them. This went on for awhile,
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800 with no signs of letting up. Instead of asking people what they thought, you
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801 started posting more. Enough is enough! And you started seeing comments. What
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802 did you do? Did you attempt a response to these people? Did you try to start
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803 a dialogue? You just wrapped your little self up tighter and started posting
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804 more! What a mature attitude! You could have turned this whole thing around
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805 but instead you chose the easy, childish path. Now look where it has lead.
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806
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807 Never mind the copyright issue. You have acted childish, petty, and extremely
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808 immature. Now you cry about censorship. Well, at least you are replying
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809 instead of simply uploading another 100 line zinger.
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810
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811 But what does it gain you? What does it do for the other users on this
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812 system? You did know there were other users here, didn't you? This is
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813 not your private playground, hard as that may be to believe.
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814 =================================================disgusted==================
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032=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock 11/23/89 17:15 Msg:4601 Call:25609 Lines:16
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815 :::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::====
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816 Wow! After what seemed like two months, the disk is almost full! Why am I
|
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817 suddenly feeling claustaphobic... almost like a rabbit in a...... no, let's not
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818 get on THAT kick again.
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819 Astral Dreamer: Re - Response - I'll be the first to comment, assuming someone
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820 doesn't beat me to it.
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821 Mikey: Curious, that. I'm looking at my copy of the MPA's guidelines, and
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822 "X" is clearly listed as valid, though, judging from the wording, it certainly
|
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823 seems that, while they see it as a valid rating, they do NOT see the material
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824 involved as being valid.
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825 Why don't we just go to "A" for Adult, as was suggested in a petition created
|
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826 by Siskel & Ebert, hoping that it would shut don the crime/pornfilm connection
|
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827 and regulate the things a bit (Their distribution, that is). Leave the
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828 regulation of the material to the board of filmmakers, or what have you.
|
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829 Close to the bottom.......
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830 :::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::==Zephyr::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::====
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033=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 11/23/89 17:38 Msg:4602 Call:25610 Lines:7
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831 &*&*&*&*'s
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832
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833 Zephyr, thanks for the acknowledgement. Looks like thats all I'm going to get.
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834
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835 An Astral Dreamer
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836 &*&*&*&*'s
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837
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034=Usr:4 Milchar 11/23/89 19:21 Msg:4603 Call:25613 Lines:4
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838 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
|
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839 AD: Have a Happy Thanksgiving in the Dalles! Say "hi" to your mother
|
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840 for me...
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841 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Milch ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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035=Usr:57 Mantyle 11/23/89 23:50 Msg:4604 Call:25623 Lines:30
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842 >..........>.........>........>.......>......>.....>....>...>..>.>>>>>>>>>>>>
|
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843 It hadn't been that long. It *couldn't* have been that long. A
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844 traveler is used to change; returning temporarily to an old home after
|
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845 being away is like catching a new glimpse of a long-lost friend.
|
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846 Certainly there are new wrinkles, lines of wisdom and experience
|
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847 attesting to the passing of time, but usually the friend is
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848 recognizable. Rarely is the change so complete, so overwhelming as to
|
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849 cause you to wonder if the person before you is really that old friend.
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850 A face can age, can mature, can even seem to decay; but not this. Not
|
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851 such total change. Except... it couldn't be anywhere else.
|
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852 A hot wind blew constantly, occasionally seasoning it's service
|
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853 with a fine mix of sand and dirt. At one time a traveler entering
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854 these lands might wish to wear a cloak as proof against the cold and
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855 wet. Now, the same cloak and hood strives in a vain effort to protect
|
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856 from the assaults of the desert.
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857 Standing on a sandstone bluff, the traveler's eyes closed. Yes,
|
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858 this might have once been the hill near home. It... feels... right.
|
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859 And below, yes, there's a dried out creek bed. Right spot. Right
|
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860 depth. Follow it northwest, yes, there's a dead tree where the creek
|
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861 once split and rejoined. The traveler sighed softly. No matter what
|
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862 this place is now, what it once was is still a part of it. Then, a
|
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863 smile. Perhaps that's how it should be. A place is defined by those
|
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864 living there, and life must continue. We all have to live our lives.
|
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865 The traveler pulled the sides of the hood tighter, tied the
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866 strings to hold it in place, and began to work down the crumbling sides
|
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867 of the bluff to the creek bed below. There were still a few places to
|
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868 be seen, and though they might be thoroughly changed they were still
|
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869 linked to memories. Good memories. Nothing could change that.
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870
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871 >..........>.........>........>.......>......>.....>....>...>..>.>>>>>>>>>
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036=Usr:402 DELTA.FIVE SHANN 11/24/89 01:27 Msg:4605 Call:25627 Lines:10
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872 Where did my border go? Happy Thanksgiving to everyone from DV.
|
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873 Control characters re the nemesis of BBS writers.
|
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874 where are the line numbers?
|
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875
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876
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877 CISTOP MIKEY: APPOLOGIES FOR (PRESUMED) DISJOINTED MESSAGES. GETTING USED TO
|
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878 THE NEW BACKWATER
|
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879 =PLUS LINE NOISES IN (YUCK) CALIFORNAI...
|
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880 MY SCREEN WENT BLANK
|
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881 ?
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037=Usr:13 voyeur 11/24/89 01:56 Msg:4606 Call:25628 Lines:5
|
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882 -----------??----------??------------??------------??-----------??------??-----
|
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883 Hey Mikey! I just came from Flights of Inspiration, and guess what name I see
|
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884 in the user log? Pamela Coleman (from Seattle). Then I come here and see
|
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885 the 'Traveler' entry... Ghosts from the past, eh? Thanks Giving, indeed.
|
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886 -----------!!----------!!------------!!------------!!-----------!!------!!-----
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038=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 11/24/89 08:31 Msg:4607 Call:25631 Lines:8
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887 &*&*&*&*'s
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888 Thanks Milch, hope you T-Day was a good one. No ranting today, I've annoyed
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889 people enough. Or not at all, in which case my theory has still been proven.
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890
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891 An Astral Dreamer
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892 &*&*&*&*'s (I don't keep quite if I think I'm right. If this offends anybody,
|
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893 then TOUGH COOKIES. Prove me wrong and I'll always apologize.)
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894
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039=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 11/24/89 13:33 Msg:4608 Call:25640 Lines:10
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895 ********************************************************************
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896 Zephyr: I could very well be wrong on my information since it was
|
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897 obtained from a documentery on censurship on TV.
|
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898 Voyeur: Yes, I do sense the echoing foot prints of a familar tone.
|
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899 Traveler: The passage of time causes many changes. People come,
|
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900 people go, and around these here parts that happens a lot.
|
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901 I'm sure that the pendulem will swing the other way once more in time.
|
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902 For now there are a lot of echoing foot prints and drifting ghosts
|
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903 floating around in these halls.
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904 ******************************** CM *********************************
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040=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 11/24/89 23:03 Msg:4609 Call:25655 Lines:11
|
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905 *%_@#)%)_#@(%)_#@(%)_@#%)(#_)%(@_)%(@!)_$!_+)$_+!$(*)_(%)_$(@_)#%()@_#(%@_#(%@%
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906 Administrivia...
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907
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908 voyeur: Are you or aren't you? You know what I am talking about. Give me a call
|
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909 before Sunday evening or hold you peace for awhile.
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910
|
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911 Milch: did you get my latest email on patches?
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912
|
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913 DV: Watch out behind you. One never knows who one might see in one's rear
|
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914 view mirror.
|
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915 *#@*%$)@_#(%)_#@(%@)_^*)_$#(^)_#@ L'homme sans Parity *%@)*%)_@(_)(_)!()$(*@)_(
|
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041=Usr:4 Milchar 11/25/89 16:18 Msg:4610 Call:25672 Lines:3
|
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916 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
|
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917 L'homme: Yep. I'll call 'em on Monday.
|
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918 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Milch ++++++++++++++++++
|
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042=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 11/25/89 20:36 Msg:4611 Call:25677 Lines:3
|
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919 *%*_)%(@_)%()_@#(%@)_#(%_#@(%)_(#@%)#(@)_@(%_)@(%)_($)@_(@_(%$*@)_*^%@)_(%_)#(
|
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920 Milch: Good. Email me the results. And happy printing!
|
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921 %)@#(%)@_()_#@($)_@#(%)_@%(@)_(% L'homme sans Parity *$#)_$!)_@($)_!($)!_($!)_@
|
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043=Usr:322 Stray Cat 11/26/89 07:32 Msg:4612 Call:25689 Lines:4
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922
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923 I liked your new word, Hagbard. Was "idology" a typo??? Might be a whole lot
|
|
924 more accurate that "ideology" sometimes dont you think??
|
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925
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044=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 11/27/89 10:00 Msg:4618 Call:25717 Lines:15
|
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926 &*&*&*&*'s
|
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927 Well, looks like a new version of Backwater. I wonder what the changes are?
|
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928
|
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929 Ah Ha! Looks like we now have private mail. The help screen seems to imply
|
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930
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931 that you can type pri, but in fact you have to type the whole word. Or perhaps
|
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932 I don't quite understand what is going on. Oh, if you ask for help from within
|
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933 the mail menu it gives you the normal help. It would also be nice if
|
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934 there were an option to send mail to the person who entered stuff on a certain
|
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935 line, so that annonymity could be maintained while still allowing people to
|
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936 reply in private. Just an idea.
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937
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938 An Astral Dreamer
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939 &*&*&*&*'s
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940
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045=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 11/28/89 18:40 Msg:4628 Call:25749 Lines:3
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941
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942 Place Marker.
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943
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046=Usr:49 Bob Bennet 11/28/89 23:23 Msg:4629 Call:25752 Lines:2
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944
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945
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047=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 11/29/89 14:03 Msg:4632 Call:25767 Lines:3
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946
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947 Place Marker Day 2.
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948
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048=Usr:4 Milchar 11/29/89 18:16 Msg:4634 Call:25770 Lines:4
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949 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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950 L'homme: Just in case you call BW from down south, you have mail on
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951 quiche.
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952 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Milch +++++++++++++++++++++
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049=Usr:322 Stray Cat 11/29/89 18:23 Msg:4635 Call:25771 Lines:9
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953
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954 @_)(&#@)!^@#+@#$*&_$@(*#_!(*@#_!*@^##@%!@#&!_)*@(^%$!)@#&)@(!*!^@@)#^$
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955
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956 mine's never as pretty as yours ... drat.
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957
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958 ... Albright, I like your stuff!!!
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959
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960 @_)#($&^_@#)_(!@)#%^(!#@&$_@$#)&@#!^@#+$(@#)&$!@#)!&@#__^!@#&)(*!@#^#&)
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961
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050=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 11/30/89 16:21 Msg:4637 Call:25806 Lines:3
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962
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963 All Purpose marker day 3
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964
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051=Usr:286 Jeff Marten 12/01/89 03:22 Msg:4638 Call:25821 Lines:3
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965
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966 Today's Outlook : Cautiously Realistic
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967
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052=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 12/01/89 13:31 Msg:4639 Call:25826 Lines:6
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968@
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969@All Purpose Marker day 5
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970@
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971
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972 All purpose marker day 4
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973
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053=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock 12/01/89 22:13 Msg:4640 Call:25836 Lines:26
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974 :::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::====
|
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975 L'Homme: Glad to see that the NET might be getting ready for a little outing.
|
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976 Mine was temporarly stalled by sudden and unexpected evvents, so it looks
|
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977 like you're going to have to take on the role of administrator of the token
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978 multi-author story until mine can finish up.
|
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979 Traveler: I detect a resounding and familiar harp playing through your words.
|
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980 Welcome back, if suspicions are correct.
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981
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982 :::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::====
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983
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984 The mesa top was silent, save for the scratchings of an occasional field
|
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985 sprite rummaging through the think pink wheat enshrouded in a coat of dense
|
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986 fog. Within the waves of wheat stood Michael, the Cloaked Man, as he scanned
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987 the horizon, frowning at the pulsating aura of the Great Stone Triangle.
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988 The Triangle fluctuated spasmically tonight. He had noticed, too, a shift
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|
989 of presence in the air, as if a primal force had, if only for a moment, spread
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990 its life giving hands across the mesa. Out of the corner of his silver eye,
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991 the Cloaked Man thought he caught the glimpse of a being in blue robes, but
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992 it had faded into the obscuring green mist before he could be sure it even
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993 existed.
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994 Turning his attention back to his automatic scans, he cursed. The Friar
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995 and the Quantier were now somehow blocked from his range of vision, probably by
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996 some protective shield. Time was short, and he was low on supplies. Pressing
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997 a small button on the silver rod, he vanished, his sigh carried on the wind.
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998 :::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::==Zephyr::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::====
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999 Trapped between a border and the Abyss! Aaaaaaiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
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