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001=Usr:0 Null User 06/30/87 20:34 Msg:0 Call:0 Lines:19
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1$If you are in need of help, you need but ask...
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2$************************* INSTALLED: 11 AUG 88 ***************************
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002=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 08/11/88 23:12 Msg:2070 Call:10003455 Lines:4
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20 Experience enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again.
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21 Franklin P. Jones
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22 **************************************************************************
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23
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003=Usr:71 David Shult 08/11/88 23:27 Msg:2071 Call:10003457 Lines:65
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24 I never thought I'd reach the top...but now after so many years of try
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25 ing...and I've nothing of signifigance to type...such is life.
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26
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27 696969696969
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28 Nomintion for the "Ten Best Censored Stories of 1987"
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29
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30 PENTAGON BIOWARFARE RESEARCH CONDUCTED IN UNIVERSITY LABORATORIES
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31
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32 Overshadowed b Star Wars and overlooked by the media, the push
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33 toward biowarfare has been one of the Reagan aministration's best
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34 kept secret. The research budget for infectious diseases and toxins
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35 has increased tenfold since fiscal '81 and most of the '86 budget of
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36 $42 million went to 24 U.S. university campues where the world's most
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37 deadl organisms are being cultured in campus labs.
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38 The amount of military money available for biotechnology research
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39 is a poweful attraction for scientists whose civilian funding
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40 resources dried up. Scientists formerl working on widespread killers
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41 ike cancer now use their talents developing strains of such rare
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42 pathogens as anthrax, dengue, Rift Valley fever, Japanes encephalitis,
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43 tularemia, shigella, botulin, Q fever, and myctoxins.
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44 May members of the academic community find the trend alarming
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45 but when MIT's biology departent voted to refuse Pentagon funds for
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46 biotech research, the administration forced it to revere its
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47 decision. And, in 1987, te University of Wisconsin hired Philip
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48 Sobocinski, a retired Army colonel, to help professos tailor their
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49 research to attract Pentagon-funded biowarfare research to the school.
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50 Richard Jannaccio, a former science riter at UW, was dismissed from
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51 his job on August 25, 1987, the day after the tudent newspaper, THE
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52 DAILY CARDINL, published his story disclosing the details of Colonel
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53 Sobicinski's mission at the University.
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54 Since the U.S. is a sgnatory to the 1972 Biological and Toxic
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55 Weapons Convention which bans "development, prodution, stockpiling
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56 and use of mirobes or their poisonous products except in amounts
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57 necessary for protective and peaceful rsearch," the university-based
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58 work is being pursued under the guise of defensive pojects aimed at
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59 developing vaccnes and protective gear. Scientists who oppose the
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60 program insist that germ-warfare defense is clearly impractical; every
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61 person would have to be vaccinated for every known harmful biological
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62 agent. Since vaccinatng the entire population would be virtually
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63 impossible, the only application of a defensivedevelopment is in
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64 conjunction wth offensive use. Troops could be effectively vaccinated
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65 for a single agent prior to launching an attack with that agent.
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66 Colonel David Huxsoll, commander of the U.S. Army Meical Research
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67 Institute of Infetious Diseases admits that offensive research is
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68 indistinguishable from defensive research even for those doing it.
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69 Each of the sources for this synopsis raised ethical questions
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70 about the perversion of academa by military money and about the U.S.
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71 engaging in a biological arms race that could rival the nuclear
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72 threat, yet none mentioned the safety or the security of the labs
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73 involved. The failure to investigte this aspect of the issue is a
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74 striking omission. Release of pathogens, either by accidet or
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75 design, would prove tragicat any of the following schools: Brigham
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76 Young, California Institute of Technology, Colorado State University,
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77 Emory, Illinis Institute of Technology, Iowa University, M.I.T.,
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78 Purdue, State University of N.Y. at Albany, Texas A&M, and the
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79 Universities of California, California at Davis, Cincinati,
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80 Connecticut, Georgia, Idao, Kansas, Kentucky, Maryland,
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81 assachusetts, Minnesota, North Carolina, and Utah.
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82
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83 SOURCES: ISHMUS, 10/9/87, "Biowarfare and the UW," by Richard
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84 Jannaccio, pp 1, 9, 10; THE PROGRESSIVE, 1/16/87, "Poisons from the
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85 Pentagon," by Seth Shulman, pp 16-20; WALL STREET JOURNAL, 9/17/86,
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86 "Military Science," by BillRichards and Tim Carrington, pp 1, 23.
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87
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88 696969696969696969
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004=Usr:498 Hagbard Celine , 08/12/88 00:03 Msg:2072 Call:10003458 Lines:34
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89
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90 {}
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91
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92 Battle was followed by victory - but not for the group. During the
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93 battle, I secretly collected some solar energy into my 'body' for later
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94 use - no point in using up myself to help everyone in the future. After
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95 some gooooood pure rays had entered my body, I felt ready for the foray.
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96 Alas! Again my neglect had seeled my fate. Kurfur had slain hundreds of
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97 the enemy, but the Beserkergang had left him spent. The Policeman had
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98 just came to conscienceness, hidden from the 'creatures'. This would
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99 require some mental gymnastics, but I found it to be easier with my
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100 Zen training. I diverted some energy as a life force to Kurfur,
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101 allowing him conscienceness for an hour (which should be enough for
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102 his body to regenerate and gain strength. He should be able to hold his
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103 own after that hour) I thought. The remaining energies were used to
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104 neatly convert the mass of the humanoids into unbundled energy
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105 |REMEMBER E=MC2?| and I used that to secure the landscape from
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106 flying into the air. The energy re-direction was done by increasing
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107 my gravity to a small black hole. If I had not first secured the
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108 landscape with the extra energy, my friends would be stuck to me
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109 like refridgerator magnets. Simply put, the land was clean and
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110 visible without the bodies, Kurfur was slowly recovering, and
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111 John (please forgive me if the name is wrong, I can't remember at the
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112 moment and I'm in a hurry) seemed a little happier to find the brownie
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113 not around to irritate him. I was tired from the exercise, but
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114 I knew that this was not even one-tenth of what I had to do in the
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115 future. I took a deep mental breath, and saw to their recovery.
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116
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117 I did seem a little darker though; collecting solar energy
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118 does that to a 'body'.
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119
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120 Hagbard Celine
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121
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122 {}
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005=Usr:283 KEVIN CONNELL 08/12/88 05:01 Msg:2073 Call:10003461 Lines:11
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123 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@User 283###############
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124@Zod: You are a product of line noise
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125
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126 Everyone else: How's life?
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127
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128 Hagbard Celine: Wafers.
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129
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130 Everyone: I like surfing on my waterbed
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131 with female
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132 ^C
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133 @@@@@@@@@@@@@Early friday###############
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006=Usr:70 Kurfur Redlig 08/12/88 15:09 Msg:2074 Call:10003469 Lines:9
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134 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | Rats, beaten to the toppppppppppp
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135@
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137@Zod is only a figment of your imagination. You only think you're reading
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138@line noise. (Profound statement for the day)
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139
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140 I'd continue in the adventure, but I'm too tired.
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141
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142 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | Ask, and ye shall be put on holdddddddddddd
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007=Usr:113 James Of Cassand 08/12/88 21:15 Msg:2075 Call:10003479 Lines:13
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143 !!!!!@@@@@######$$$$$+++++)))))
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144 Well, I'm just wondering were everyone has gotten to, I would
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145 really like to see the story continued. I'm going to bring the
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146 brownie back in, hope you guys don't mind that to much.
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147
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148 I'm a bit confused as to how things stand now. would somone
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149 tell me exactly what happened last?
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150
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151 Enjoy all that life has to offer!
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152
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153 James of Cassandra.
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154 !!!!!@@@@@#####$$$$$+++++)))))
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155
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008=Usr:70 Kurfur Redlig 08/12/88 21:57 Msg:2076 Call:10003480 Lines:8
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156 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | Get back here you posting users!!!!!!!!!!!!
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157
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158 James,
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159 Yes, please do bring back the brownie. I wanna see if they taste
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160 like smurfs.
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161 KR
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162
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163 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | Where's L. Beaker and Friar?????????????????
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009=Usr:322 Stray Cat 08/12/88 22:23 Msg:2077 Call:10003481 Lines:3
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164
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165 . . . down at BITE perchance???
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166
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010=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/12/88 23:12 Msg:2078 Call:10003484 Lines:10
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167 &*&*&*&*'s
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168
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169 You know, I've noticed a bit of a pattern. We have a few days of frantic
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170 entry, followed by a few days of next to zero! What I think is that
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171 maybe some of you out there are staying up for 72 hours, and then sleeping
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172 for 72 hours. Or, I guess maybe you just run out of things to say.
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173
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174 An Astral Dreamer.
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175 &*&*&*&*'s
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176
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011=Usr:70 Kurfur Redlig 08/12/88 23:17 Msg:2079 Call:10003485 Lines:7
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177 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | You've got it right thereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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178
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179 Actually, I stay awake all summer, and then shut my brain off and
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180 hibernate through the winter.
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181 As to posting, I only leave a message when I have something to say.
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182
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183 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | Zod's gone (for good?))))))))))))))))))))
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012=Usr:283 KEVIN CONNELL 08/13/88 03:53 Msg:2080 Call:10003491 Lines:11
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184 @@@@@@@@@@@@User 283####################
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185 Soon to be up:
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186
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187 W a f e r L sa n d
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188 B b s!
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189 oops, darn line noise!
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190 Anyways...
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191
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192 @@@@@@late sunday!####
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193 yeah! we;re going cruising on sunday!
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194
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013=Usr:245 Doug King 08/13/88 17:12 Msg:2081 Call:10003501 Lines:2
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195 What's the phone number Creach?
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196
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014=Usr:483 Lord Beaker 08/13/88 17:30 Msg:2082 Call:10003502 Lines:33
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197 -----------=-==========----------=-=--------------=-=============-=---------
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198 HA!! Back once again! After a 21 day vision of the essance of 7abernacky I
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199 truly see were I am. Sort of. HI!
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200
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201 Good old LB. Yup, thats about the size of it. Hey you guys sure did get
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202 weird while I was gone. I come back an everybodies on an astral trip. Well
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203 I supose thats the way it goes. How'd ya get there anyway. Oh I'll figure
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204 it out. I'm always open to summonings you know. HI! Oh I said that all
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205 ready. Sorry.
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206
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207 Anynynybody wanna buy a hood orniment. Whoa! Thats a great word. You all
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208 thought I was supprised. Whoa! What's that Rhinoserusurus doining in my
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209 liveing room!?! I'd better go check this out. HI! How are you? HA!!
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210
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211 Errg. I'll come back later when I'm neededed.
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212
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213 Lord (Masterpiecicle) Beaker
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214
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215 Hey no more GIP, they accepted my application. :) I'm so happy.
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216
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217 FUG
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218 uno
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219 tid
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220 uv
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221 re
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222 er
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223 s
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224 l
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225 e
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226
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227 \__/
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228 oo
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229 --------=-{=-=-=====----------=-=========-=--------=-=========------=-=====-
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015=Usr:272 Talos 08/13/88 21:59 Msg:2083 Call:10003508 Lines:7
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230 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
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231 Sysop,
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232 I didn't see a reply to my last inquirey so I'll try again and call in
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233 quicker.
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234 I left a message to Zod on here. It was erased. Why?
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235 Talos Valheru
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236 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
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016=Usr:483 Lord Beaker 08/14/88 12:08 Msg:2084 Call:10003517 Lines:3
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237
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238 >>>DEAD SUNDAY>---O
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239
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017=Usr:104 Trokin Korka 08/14/88 12:36 Msg:2085 Call:10003518 Lines:27
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240 283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283
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241 "Huh, what?!", I said slowly sitting up, and then I remembered. We were
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242 captured! I started, seeing my companions lying on the ground beside me,
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243 except for the Guru, who was wide awake and sitting next to me.
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244 "How..?", I said.
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245 "No problem, just elementary physics.", he said.
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246 "Where is Kufur, and Johnny Edison?"
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247 "They're fine. Kufur went into Berserkergang, and that's why he isn't
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248 here he killed creatures until they retreated with you. Johnny was left
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249 unnoticed by the creatures, for he wasn't acting alive at the time, and
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250 before you ask, the Brownie woke up before you and went to join Johnny and
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251 Kufur, 'to keep an eye on Johnny', he said.", the Guru said, knowingly.
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252 "I'll wake the others up-", I said, but Hagbard interrupted me.
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253 "Not just yet, I have something to tell you", he said, and I looked
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254 intently at him, "You are the one who must learn of himself and defeat
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255 your own enemy inside before you can defeat the Dark Ones."
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256 "What is my own enemy?"
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257 "You will find out, in due time.", he said to me. Then he said, "Wake
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258 up everyone, we have to join up with Kufur and the others".
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259 The Wanderer woke up the first of all of them and put the white orb,
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260 which was still in his hands, inside of his magical bag, which is really
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261 a portable nothing-ness that all true magicians carry. Where they can call
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262 up materials at a moment's notice. Everyone else woke up then and the Guru
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263 lead us back toward where the rest of our party was...
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264 ... TO BE CONTINUED BY OTHERS ...
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265 P.S. This chapter was entered from Trokin Korka's point-of-view
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266 283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283
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018=Usr:71 David Shult 08/14/88 14:38 Msg:2086 Call:10003520 Lines:62
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267 696969696969
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268 Nomination for the "Ten Best Censored Stories of 1987"
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269
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270 BIASED COVERAGE OF THE ARIAS PEACE PLAN BY AMERICA'S PRESS
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271
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272 On August 7, 1987, five Central American nations -- Costa Rica,
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273 El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, and Nicaragua -- signed a regional
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274 peace proposal that was authored by Costa Rican president, Oscar
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275 Arias. The proposal, known as the Arias Plan, set specific guidelines
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276 and target dates for each nation to comply with in order to stabilize
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277 Central America and bring peace to the region.
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278 Two separate studies monitoring U.S. press coverage of the Arias
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279 peace plan revealed a startling bias in how America's leading
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280 newspapers covered the region following August 7th. A national media
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281 watchdog group, the New York-based Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting
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282 (FAIR), concluded that the peace accord set off a U.S. media reaction
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283 that "showed once again the extent to which White House assumptions
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284 are shared by the national press corps" and how "Reagan's obsession
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285 with Nicaragua has turned into a media obsession." FAIR's 90-day
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286 analysis of THE NEW YORK TIMES found that the TIMES devoted three
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287 times as many column inches of news space to Nicaragua than it did to
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288 Honduras, Guatemala, and El Salvador combined.
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289 The other study, by the Media Alliance, a San Francisco-based
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290 nonprofit organization of media professionals, monitored stories about
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291 the peace plan that appeared in seven major dailies -- THE N.Y. TIMES,
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292 L.A. TIMES, CHRISTAN SCIENCE MONITOR, SAN JOSE MERCURY NEWS, S.F.
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293 CHRONICLE, S.F.EXAMINER, and the OAKLAND TRIBUNE. The conclusion was
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294 the same -- most newspapers followed the Reagan administration's
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295 direction as to what deserved coverage in Central America. Altogether,
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296 the cmmittee members read, sorted, and analyzed a total of 406
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297 individual articles and editorials and found:
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298 1) More than 80% of the articles published during the first six
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299 weeks after the signing of the plan focused entirely or almost
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300 entirely on Nicaragua -- the Reagan administration's demands on
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301 Nicaragua's Sandinista government, the prospects for renewed contra
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302 aid, or the extent to which Nicaragua was abiding by the Arias plan;
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303 2) While the seven newspapers published numerous articles
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304 critical of the Sandinistas and their efforts to comply with the plan,
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305 serious human rights problems and violations of the plan by the
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306 governments of El Salvador, Honduras, and Guatemala went largely
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307 unreported;
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308 3) Sources quoted for comments and analysis in the seven papers
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309 were almost always either administration officials, contra leaders, or
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310 representatives of other conservative organizations that advocate
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311 military solutions to the region's political conflicts;
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312 4) Editors at the seven papers, when contacted by the SAN
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313 FRANCISCO BAY GUARDIAN for its article, generally acknowledged that
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314 the national press has allowed the Reagan administration to set the
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315 tone for Central American news coverage.
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316 One result of the biased coverage of Central America last year
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317 was that Americans were outraged when the Sandinistas shut down the
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318 CIA-subsidized LA PRENSA (now reopened) while they were not even aware
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319 that 70 journalists had been murdered by death squads in El Salvador
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320 and Guatemala during the past decade. And that death squad activities
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321 have increased in those two nations since August 7th.
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322 SOURCES: SAN FRANCISCO BAY GUARDIAN, 1/6/88, "On Central America,
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323 U.S. Dailies Parrot Reagan Line," by Jeff Gillenkirk, pp 7, 9-11, 33;
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324 EXTRA, Aug/Sept 1987, "Media Put Reagan Spin o Arias Plan," by Jeff
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325 Cohen and Martin A. Lee, pp 1, 5-6.
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326
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327 696969696969696969
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328
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019=Usr:245 Doug King 08/14/88 17:20 Msg:2087 Call:10003523 Lines:3
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329
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330 Yawn......
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331
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020=Usr:70 Kurfur Redlig 08/14/88 21:17 Msg:2088 Call:10003527 Lines:15
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332 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | Hey guys, it's spelled KURFUR, ok????????
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333
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334 Hey Lord Whatsyerface Beaker,
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335 Nice to see you back in the land of imagined reality (is there any
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336 other kind?). Congrats, too, on the promotion. Couldn't have happened to
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337 a nicer deity. As you've allready noticed, things are getting pretty
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338 wierd around here, but what the 'ell, it fills up disk space. At least
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339 its not as strange as on the river. Its getting so that an honest
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340 Berserker can't get his boat out and go Viking with his friends anymore.
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341 By the way, I think I've finally gotten rid of that low-life, Zod. If he
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342 shows his border around here anymore, he's gonna get a firm scolding.
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343 I'll continue with my monologue as soon as the Brownie gets within
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344 range (heh heh!).
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345
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346 KKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | Did you get all that?????????????????????????
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021=Usr:245 Doug King 08/15/88 15:19 Msg:2089 Call:10003540 Lines:3
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347
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348 << Brain Dead >>
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349
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022=Usr:104 Trokin Korka 08/15/88 15:33 Msg:2090 Call:10003541 Lines:8
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350@><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
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351@ZOD RULES, I AM ONE OF HIS MINIONS
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352@THE INNUMERABLE HORD SHALL DESTROY
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353@YOU!!! ZOD! ZOD! ZOD! ZOD!
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354@<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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355@283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283
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356@YO! Zod's Lacky, What's yer name? Or are ya to scared to say?
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357@283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283
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023=Usr:283 KEVIN CONNELL 08/15/88 17:52 Msg:2091 Call:10003544 Lines:15
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358 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@User 283###################
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359 Wafers, I'm back. Looks like sod got
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360 an idiot who's been brainwashed. Too bad,
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361 I would have felt sorry for the punk..
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362 Oh well. . . . .
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363 Hey, talos, how's life? Kev c. here..
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364
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365
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366 say... swhat happened to the boarder pi
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367 RAT?
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368
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369 oh, my 45 colum border is so ya don't think
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370 I'm a commie (user)
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371 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@Sometime monday eve#########
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372 ^C
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024=Usr:96 Steve LaPlante 08/15/88 21:04 Msg:2092 Call:10003549 Lines:16
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373 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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374 Trine returns, finds much to be bored about (anything by a zealot, anything
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375 attempting to move me into political tripe, and especially the effete snob
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376 and nattering nabob of negativism "writes" about "censorship". Yawn is
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377 right! Go Kurfur! You guys are pure and untouched, it seems, by
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378 the @#$%$#@## that surrounds your creative and -- please notice, whoever wrote
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379 that stuff -- SPONTANEOUS effluvia. (Now I'll find out it was the Sysop, in
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380 his other consciousness, trying to convert all of us. Sometimes I feel that
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381 the fabric of our society is slowly tightening, and now and then it begins
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382 to tear, ever so slightly, so that one of these days, one of these days
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383 pilgrims, it will begins to RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIIP. See, now
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384 he's got me doing it!
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385 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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386 /s
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387
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388
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025=Usr:70 Kurfur Redlig 08/15/88 21:41 Msg:2093 Call:10003553 Lines:15
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389 KKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | he went out with a glitchhhhhhhhh
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390
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391@Well, it seems that Zod's finally got the minions (or should I say,
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392@minion) he's allways wanted. Good for him. That way, all the fools are
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393@together and easy to ridicule.
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394 As to being untouched, very little ever sinks into the mind of a
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395 Berserker, making us very hard to force to conform to todays values and
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396 ideas. In other words, we call them wrongly as we see them (if you catch
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397 my meaning). As to caring of the opinions of the SysOp, forget it. All
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398 the SysOp is to a good board is the working stiff. It's the members which
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399 make it great. Not to say that Mikey isn't a good SysOp, he is (he lets
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400 us say what we want without deleting us), it's just that this board would
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401 be nothing without the members.
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402
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403 KKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | I challenge you. Prove you existttttttttt
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026=Usr:71 David Shult 08/15/88 23:06 Msg:2094 Call:10003554 Lines:57
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404 696969696969
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405
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406 Nomination for the "Ten Best Censored Stories of 1987"
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407
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408 DUMPING OUR TOXIC WASTES ON THE THIRD WORLD
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409
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410 Exporting hazardous and toxic wastes to Third World countries is
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411 a growth industry. The exported material includes heavy metal residues
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412 and chemical-contaminated wastes, pharmaceutical refuse, and municipal
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413 sewage sludge and incinerator ash. The risks involved for countries
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414 that accept our wastes range from contamination of groundwater and
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415 crops to birth defects and cancer.
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416 Traditionally, the majority of U.S. toxic waste exports have gone
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417 to Canada where regulations are less stringent than in the U.S. But
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418 now the most abrupt increase is in shipments to the Third World where
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419 the regulations are either nonexistent or sketchily enforced.
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420 Creating the search for new overseas markets is an explosion in
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421 the volume of recorded hazardous wastes beng produced in the U.S.
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422 According to the General Accounting Office, the amount rose from about
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423 9 million metric tons in 1970 to at least 247 million in 1984; other
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424 experts place the current figure close to 400 millon metric tons.
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425 U.S. officials, aware of the sensitive legal and foreign policy
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426 questions involved, are reluctant to crack down on illegal dumpers
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427 and, in fact, the government itself is reponsible for generating a
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428 significant portion of the hazardous waste exports. One large illegal
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429 operation broken up last year received more than half its toxic wastes
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430 from various branches of the Federal government, mainly the military.
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431 Some examples of what is happening as discovered by the authors
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432 using court records, interviews, and the Freedom of Information Act:
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433 Philadelphia is planning to ship 600,000 tons of ash residue a
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434 year from its municipal incinerator to Panama which plans to use the
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435 materials as landfill for roadbeds;
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436 U.S. sludge may end up in the tiny British Caribbean colony of
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437 Turks and Caicos Islands which proposes to use it as fertilizer;
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438 L.P.T., a company with offices in American Samoa and California,
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439 is seeking approval to build an incinerator in American Samoa to burn
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440 U.S. wastes and export the ash to the Philippines where it would be
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441 used as landfill;
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442 Western Pacific Waste Repositories, based in Carson City, Nevada,
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443 is poposing to build a hazardous waste storage and treatment plant on
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444 Erikub atoll, an unhinhabited area of the Marshall Islands.
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445 The key U.S. government officials responsible for monitoring
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446 waste traffic claim they are powerless. "Under the federal system, we
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447 only have control over what's in the country," says Wendy Grieder, an
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448 official in the EPA's Office of International Activities. "Once it
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449 leaves, we can't do anything about it."
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450 Finally, exported wastes may return to haunt us in a very direct
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451 way. "It's possible that we could send sludge to the Caribbean and
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452 they might use it on, say, spinach or other vegetables," warned
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453 Grieder. And since the Food and Drug Administation checks only a
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454 small portion of foods and vegetables that come into the U.S.,
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455 exported hazardous wastes could easily end up on our dinner table.
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456
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457 SOURCE: THE NATION, 10/3/87 "The Export of U.S. Toxic Wastes," by
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458 Andrew Porterfield and David Weir, pp front cover, 341-344.
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459
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460 696969696969696969
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027=Usr:113 James Of Cassand 08/16/88 00:06 Msg:2095 Call:10003557 Lines:40
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461 !!!!!@@@@@#####$$$$$+++++)))))
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462 Arthur Brownie and The Interdimensional Police officer were trying to
|
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463 decide on a course of action.
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464
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465 "So mister 'Tag team wrestling Champ", how come you got captured?"
|
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466 John asked the brownie.
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467
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468 "They hit me from behind, Atleast I wasn't unconciose on the ground.
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469 And By the way, what happened to the Tub?"
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470
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471 "It's back on the beach I assume, did you expect me to carry it
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472 on my back?"
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473
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474 "Why not, with all that brain your missing it would have been easy to
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475 take on the added weight!"
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476
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477 "Really!?, And I suppose you also Have the highest IQ in the world,
|
||
478 along with being a great brownie wrestler of course."
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479
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480 "No, actually I'm third, of course thats in my home Dimension. I
|
||
481 might quallify for first in yours, if your any indication."
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482
|
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483 "Thatst, No more cards or badmouthing each other, We're going
|
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484 to settle this like men!"
|
||
485
|
||
486 "Fine with me!" The brownie replied getting to his feet.
|
||
487
|
||
488 John Eddison charged the brownie, letting out a battle cry. The brownie
|
||
489 steped aside and put his foot out, causing the bathroobed man to
|
||
490 slide face first into a tree. Thud!!. John Eddison was out of the
|
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491 conciose world again.
|
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492
|
||
493 "Well, maybe that will teach you to attack a brownie!" Arthur said
|
||
494 looking down at his fallen companion.
|
||
495
|
||
496 "It's time we got this show on the road!" he said, looking deeper into
|
||
497 the woods.
|
||
498
|
||
499 James of Cassandra.
|
||
500 !!!!!@@@@@#####$$$$$+++++)))))
|
||
028=Usr:272 Talos 08/16/88 02:19 Msg:2096 Call:10003559 Lines:7
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501@<*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
|
||
502@Hmmm, kind of funny I haven't gotten a reply. So Zod has a follower. I
|
||
503@guess those two guys can go and admire each other now. I just wish they
|
||
504@would keep that crap off the board. Well, I'm working on a story to put
|
||
505@on here. So be prepared for some bad stuff (As in, this may stink).
|
||
506@ Talos Valheru
|
||
507@<*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
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029=Usr:70 Kurfur Redlig 08/16/88 13:07 Msg:2097 Call:10003565 Lines:3
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508 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | Arthur's back?????????????????????????????
|
||
509 M'mmmmmmm. Brownies for breakfast. Nothing better.
|
||
510 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | Tripping is dishonorableeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
|
||
030=Usr:96 Steve LaPlante 08/16/88 13:31 Msg:2098 Call:10003566 Lines:5
|
||
511 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|
||
512 Trine back. Sigh. Toxic waste is right. Talos, we will read anything and
|
||
513 enjoy. To write in front of others is a true definition of courage. As
|
||
514 for Toxic Waste, we will watch the Convention!
|
||
515 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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031=Usr:71 David Shult 08/16/88 15:24 Msg:2099 Call:10003568 Lines:62
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516 696969696969
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517
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||
518 Nomination for the "Ten Best Censored Stories of 1987"
|
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519
|
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520 TORTURE IN EL SALVADOR:THE CENSORED REPORT FROM MARIONA PRISON
|
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521
|
||
522 In late 1986, a 165-page report was smuggled out of the Mariona
|
||
523 men's prison in El Salvador. The report was compiled by five
|
||
524 imprisoned members of the Human Rights Commission of El Salvador
|
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525 (CDHES). The report documents the "routine" and "systematic" use of at
|
||
526 least 40 kinds of torture on political prisoners.
|
||
527 The report made three main points: first, torture is systematic,
|
||
528 not random; second, the methods of torture are becoming more clever;
|
||
529 and finally, U.S. servicemen often act as supervisors. What is new to
|
||
530 torture in El Salvador, according to the study, is that the use of
|
||
531 torture, together with the continued (although diminished) use of
|
||
532 death-squad kidnappings of the "disappeared," are all a systematic
|
||
533 part of of the U.S. counterinsurgency program there.
|
||
534 The Marin Interfaith Task Force, from Mill Valley, California,
|
||
535 assembled the smuggled report from Mariona prison into a document
|
||
536 titled "Torture in El Salvador." Starting in September, 1986, the Task
|
||
537 Force has tried to generate media interest in the story. Suzanne
|
||
538 Bristol of the task force, said the group sent the report to the
|
||
539 nation's major newspapers, including THE NEW YORK TIMES, THE
|
||
540 WASHINGTON POST, THE BOSTON GLOBE, and the LOS ANGELES TIMES, as well
|
||
541 as to the wire services. By February, 1987, when Alexander Cockburn
|
||
542 wrote his article for THE NATION, UPI had run a Spanish-language story
|
||
543 and the report had received coverage on Spanish-language radio, in
|
||
544 Mexican periodicals and in Europe. Follow-up calls to the above papers
|
||
545 produced nothing, except for two letters in December from Art
|
||
546 Seidenbaum of the LOS ANGELES TIMES, who first wrote "You send plenty
|
||
547 of homework," and later wrote "We really have ... no staff for making
|
||
548 a 1500-word article out of a large series of reports."
|
||
549 As Cockburn noted, it was "during this period, on November 22,
|
||
550 Secretary of State George Shultz asked Congress to approve nearly $7
|
||
551 million in police aid for El Salvador in 1987, providing the necessary
|
||
552 certification that the government of El Salvador had 'made significant
|
||
553 progress during the six-month period preceding this determination in
|
||
554 eliminating any human rights violations, including torture,
|
||
555 incommunicado detention ...'"
|
||
556 Apparently only one newspaper gave the actual report substantial
|
||
557 coverage. The SAN FRANCISCO EXAMINER ran two excellent articles by
|
||
558 free lance journalist Ron Ridenhour, who quoted State Department
|
||
559 spokesman James Callahan saying that the CDHES, the only Salvadoran
|
||
560 human rights group recognized by the United Nations, is a communist
|
||
561 "front organization." (It was Ridenhour's charges that led to the
|
||
562 revelations about the Army's massacre of civilians in My Lai.)
|
||
563 On October 26, 1987, assassins, probably belonging to the
|
||
564 Salvadoran security forces, murdered Herbert Ernesto Anaya, head of
|
||
565 the Salvadoran Human Rights Commission and the last survivor of that
|
||
566 commission's eight founders.
|
||
567 Anaya also was one of the five original researchers and authors
|
||
568 of the smuggled report from the Mariona men's prison.
|
||
569
|
||
570 SOURCES: THE NATION, 2/21/87, "After the Press Bus Left," pp
|
||
571 206-207, and THE NATION, 11/14/87, "The Press and the Plan," pp
|
||
572 546-547, both by Alexander Cockburn; SAN FRANCISCO EXAMINER, 11/14/86,
|
||
573 "In prison, Salvador rights panel works on," by Ron Ridenhour, p A-8;
|
||
574 Marin Interfaith Task Force on Central America, 7/2/87 letter and
|
||
575 various documents, by Liz Erringer.
|
||
576
|
||
577 696969696969696969
|
||
032=Usr:104 Trokin Korka 08/16/88 16:08 Msg:2100 Call:10003570 Lines:12
|
||
578@<><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
|
||
579@ONLY TWO GUYS?! ZOD HAS
|
||
580@MANY MORE THAN TWO GUYS!
|
||
581@AND SOON HE SHALL
|
||
582@HAVE THE UNIVERSE
|
||
583@BY THE WAY, I
|
||
584@AM HIS SECOND IN
|
||
585@COMMAND, VOUTIN.
|
||
586@THE OTHER ZOD CLAN
|
||
587@MEMBER WAS CEDERANON!
|
||
588@ZOD!!! ZOD! ZODDDD!!!
|
||
589@<><><><><><><><><><><><><>
|
||
033=Usr:113 James Of Cassand 08/16/88 16:23 Msg:2101 Call:10003571 Lines:10
|
||
590@!!!!!@@@@@####$$$$$+++++)))))
|
||
591@Yeah, and your all the same stupid infantile idiot to! Buy a new computer,
|
||
592@one capable of lower case. Oh, havn't you heard? Zod is dead. Kind
|
||
593@of leaves the one of you out of a job. (And on the off chance that
|
||
594@there are three idiots typing in stupidity from the same terminal the
|
||
595@following applies) Enjoy the eighth grade!
|
||
596@
|
||
597@James of Cassandra.
|
||
598@!!!!!@@@@@#####$$$$$+++++)))))
|
||
599@
|
||
034=Usr:379 Phoenix Polymorp 08/16/88 17:25 Msg:2102 Call:10003573 Lines:10
|
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600 THIS IS WORLD WATCH THREE>>08/16/88
|
||
601 As you can see, the Wilsonville
|
||
602 Banzai institute hase been reduced
|
||
603 to 40Col. It is a pain. Just let-
|
||
604 ting you know I'm still alive and
|
||
605 have full rights to the photos I
|
||
606 shot in Highschool whit that cute
|
||
607 blonde....
|
||
608 17:47>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wwiii
|
||
609 ^P
|
||
035=Usr:96 Steve LaPlante 08/16/88 19:47 Msg:2103 Call:10003578 Lines:18
|
||
610 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|
||
611 Flash!!!!! WORLD PRESS UNCOVERS GIGANTIC PLOT TO CULTIVATE
|
||
612 CUCUMBERS FOR UNCOUTH POLITICAL AGITATORS!!!!
|
||
613 It has been learned by this news agency that nefarious
|
||
614 forces are at work placing nonsensical "News Flashes" on
|
||
615 BBS's throughout the free world.When interviewed, George
|
||
616 Shultz could only say: "I'll take spam, spam, spam, spam,
|
||
617 broiled Salvadorean foot leather, spam, spam, and spam."
|
||
618 On Thursday, August 18, 1988, when questionned about
|
||
619 this bilious bilge, Sam Spade could only reply: "We'll
|
||
620 always have, Backwater, Sweetha't."
|
||
621 Independent Trine followers inform us that he is in
|
||
622 Tenerife, waiting patiently for his 747 to land.
|
||
623
|
||
624 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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||
625 list
|
||
626 to
|
||
627 starboard
|
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036=Usr:104 Trokin Korka 08/16/88 20:05 Msg:2104 Call:10003579 Lines:11
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628@283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283
|
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629@ YO! Zod Freak! You obviously can't read a comic book well enough
|
||
630@to figure out for yourself that Gen. Zit got killed off! That raises
|
||
631@questions about your mental capacity doesn't it? I guess only a
|
||
632@mental miget like you could believe another mental miget. Have all
|
||
633@of you sane people out there who hate Zit noticed something about
|
||
634@his writing style? I have...He writes something that looks very
|
||
635@similar to Kruschev's "We will bury you!", doesn't he?
|
||
636@ TROKIN KORKA
|
||
637@283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283
|
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638@
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037=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 08/16/88 20:58 Msg:2105 Call:10003581 Lines:3
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639 ----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
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640 Talos, You might try asking your question on Blue Parrot.
|
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641 ----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
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038=Usr:70 Kurfur Redlig 08/16/88 21:50 Msg:2106 Call:10003586 Lines:9
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642 Spam Spa Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam pam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam
|
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643 Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam
|
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644 SpSpam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam
|
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645 Sausage and Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam
|
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646
|
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647 Just testing my macro's guys.
|
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648
|
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649 KKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | This wasn't a test of the EBSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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||
039=Usr:113 James Of Cassand 08/16/88 22:13 Msg:2107 Call:10003587 Lines:4
|
||
651@to the minions( <- HAR,HAR,HAR :-) ) of the late Zod. I know who you
|
||
653@are. cease your infantile ravings or be exposed on this board.
|
||
654@
|
||
040=Usr:322 Stray Cat 08/16/88 22:50 Msg:2108 Call:10003591 Lines:7
|
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655 @#$&*_)@(#$^*+_)~*(#&)#$)@#&$^!@)(#^%&(^#$_)*@_)#^$_)!(#&
|
||
656
|
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657 (yours looked like a starry night, oh well)
|
||
658
|
||
659 I am officially giving up on JDs. It's busy too _)@(#$&* often.
|
||
660
|
||
661 !_)(&#$^)#)(&^!@#_(&$^#)(@*
|
||
|
||
041=Usr:272 Talos 08/16/88 23:12 Msg:2109 Call:10003593 Lines:5
|
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662 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
|
||
663 Hmm. I can post anything I want, but yet my last message was deleted from
|
||
664 the board. What's wrong with this picture? Heading for the Blue Parrot,
|
||
665 Talos Valheru
|
||
666 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
|
||
042=Usr:70 Kurfur Redlig 08/17/88 11:43 Msg:2110 Call:10003605 Lines:7
|
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667 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | Must've been a computer errorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
|
||
668
|
||
669 A nice guy like Mikey wouldn't resort to (dare I say it) CENSORSHIP, would
|
||
670 he? Lets hope so, cause if backwater goes, then whos to say that the weekly
|
||
671 Farm Report won't.
|
||
672
|
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673 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | Censorship is an ugly thingggggggggggggggg
|
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043=Usr:483 Lord Beaker 08/17/88 12:13 Msg:2111 Call:10003607 Lines:7
|
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674 ---=-========--------------=-==============-=--------------=-===========-=--
|
||
675 Talos, try posting it again, and if it disapearss again...then the dread
|
||
676 stamp has come at last to backwater (shudder).
|
||
677
|
||
678 Lord Beaker \__/
|
||
679 FUG oo
|
||
680 -=-----==-=---{=-==========-=----------------------=-=======-=-------=-=====
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044=Usr:104 Trokin Korka 08/17/88 12:22 Msg:2112 Call:10003608 Lines:19
|
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681@283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283
|
||
682@YO! Zod Freak! I guess you don't read a comic book well enough to find
|
||
683@out for yourself that Zod is dead. That raises questions about your
|
||
684@mental capacity doesn't it? I guess only a mental midgit could follow
|
||
685@another mental midget. All of you sane Zit haters out there, have you
|
||
686@noticed something about Zit's writing style? I have...he writes something
|
||
687@very similar to Kruschev's "We will bury you", doesn't he?
|
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688@ TROKIN KORKA
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689@283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283
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690@P.S. Isn't anyone going to continue the story?
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691@283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283
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692@ THE STAMP OF CENCORSHIP HAS COME TO BACKWATER!!!!!!!
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693@ I have noticed that this disk skip numbered lines 583-606 and 634-647
|
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694@, those lines are not there!!!!!!! I wrote a message to Gen. Zit's minions
|
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695@in the lines 634-647, right after the "list to starbord" message. It has
|
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696@dissappeared!! Combined with the deletion of Talos's message, it is proof
|
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697@that cencorship exsists!!!
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698@ TRO[IN [ORKA
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699@283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283
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045=Usr:71 David Shult 08/17/88 12:44 Msg:2113 Call:10003609 Lines:19
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700 APn 08/15 2127 Miracle Service
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701 Copyright, 1988. The Associated Press. All rightc reserved.
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702 By WENDY E. LANE Associated Press Writer
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703 LUBBOCK, Texas (AP) -- Worshipers screamed and lifted their hands toward the
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704 sky as a ray of light burst through the clouds Monday evening during an outdoor
|
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705 Mass where thousands ca}e expecting a miracle.
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706 Shortly after the 6 p.m. Mass began at St. John Neumann Catholic Church,
|
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707 throngs of pilgrims stood and applauded as many spectators pointed skyward,
|
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708 crying that they saw Jesus and the Virgin Mary and calling id0a myracle.
|
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709 "I saw the sun pulsating a lot and saw Jesus about 10 times," said Mamie
|
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710 Fertitta. "Then I saw Jesus above and the doves below."
|
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711 A dozen priests standing on a rooftop altar and 600 Eucharist ministers
|
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712 turned their bac{c t the crowd to look at the sky and wave. After minutes of
|
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713 silence, St. John Neumann pastor Monsignor Joseph James began to sing "Amazing
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714 Grace."
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715 People in the audience whipped out cameras to photograph the clouds and
|
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716 light.
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717 0 "I saw baby Jesus for an instant in the sky," said Koreth Vargahese of
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718 Houston.
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046=Usr:113 James Of Cassand 08/17/88 16:33 Msg:2114 Call:10003615 Lines:25
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719 !!!!!@@@@@#####$$$$$+++++)))))
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720 I to would like to comment on the Censorship thqt seems to exist
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721 here. I find it to be highly offensive. Backwater is a board were it
|
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722 seemed to me a great deal of freadom existed. Now I see that this fredom
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723 is not nearly as unlimeted as I had thought.
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724
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725@ Zod is a twit, xe k~ows this, it is what he intendst to be. The fact
|
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726@that we comment on this should not be a problem. (Though I think that
|
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727@some of the answers to him have been no better then his and his Pseodo
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728@minions Stupid ravings.)
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729@
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730 All0messages should be left intact, only those which contain offensive
|
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731 language should be removed, and then only to the extent that the offensive
|
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732 language is removed.
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733
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734 Oh, I did continue the story. I just hope it wasn't deleted.
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7350
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736 The story entry is still there, try around line 480.
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737
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738@To whomever: PLEASE RETURN THE ZOD MESSAGES AND REPLIES. SUPPORT A VITAL
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739@DEMOCRACY!!
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740@
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741 James of Cassandra.
|
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742 !!!!!@@@@@#####$$$$$+++++)))))
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||
743
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047=Usr:)6 Sduve LaPlante 08/17/88 19:51 Msg:2115 Call:10003617 Lines:9
|
||
744 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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745
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746 Trine's last attempt to access JDs Place= 637629876*&^(*^%9890873)(*&)(*&
|
||
747 ++++++++++++++++++0-000)9340xs;nfgiaer tsvbsf ;etc etc etc etc etc etc
|
||
748 gobbledegook. Every time I tried to type a word I got the above. It
|
||
749 remains the only BBS I have this trouble on, of the six I regularly
|
||
750 access. Why is this? Why is there air? What is life?
|
||
75! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|
||
752
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||
048=Usr:70 Kurfur Redlig 08/17/88 21:21 Msg:2116 Call:10003619 Lines:17
|
||
753 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | Questions Questionsssssssssssssssssssss
|
||
754
|
||
75% Whi do I live?
|
||
756 Do I really live?
|
||
757 Do I even exhist?
|
||
758 Does it really matter?
|
||
759 Can I go get a Pizza now?
|
||
760 Yes?
|
||
761 Bye.
|
||
762
|
||
763 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | Identity Crisis Hereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
|
||
764
|
||
765 0L0
|
||
76&0 0 \___/
|
||
767 U
|
||
768
|
||
769 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | Nifty Huh? No? Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
|
||
049=Usr:498 Hagbard Celine , 08/17/88 23:20 Msg:2117 Call:10003622 Lines:54
|
||
770
|
||
771 {}
|
||
772
|
||
773 Hi folks. Lessee, as (un)offisal Wuru of Backwater, I'll try an
|
||
774 answer your question about 'life, the universe, and everything':
|
||
775
|
||
776 It just is. You can't explain why; to do so would make you more than
|
||
777 human (i.e., you would have to abandon a 'human' mindset, ant
|
||
77( re-pattern along different lines). Simply put (with no offense meant):
|
||
779
|
||
780 "Because you're there, Schmuck."
|
||
781
|
||
782 which is one of the few good answers I got from my teacher. The universe
|
||
783 simply exists, just the same way as a rock on the roadside exists; how
|
||
784 it got there, why it is there, and what makes it different is truely
|
||
785 immaterial, as these questions are not asked for in a metaphysical
|
||
786 context. The only use for those three questions would be in a pseudo-
|
||
'87 framework, i.e., a society or culture, where the questions would have
|
||
788 relevence simply because the 'game' of society calls for some kind of
|
||
789 value to be placed on this information. Metaphysical elements don't
|
||
790 always carry the same kind of0values (if any at all, as it should be
|
||
791 pure thought without the cow pucky of social customs and morality), and
|
||
792 this is often forgotten when such questions arise. It's been my own
|
||
793 experience that people tend not to think; most societies ca|l fb some
|
||
794 form of conformance; with that comes the rejection of some actions,
|
||
795 most noteably individual thought, as a society trys to promote
|
||
796 the group over the individual. This is why you find more Anarchists
|
||
797 who are also Metaphysiciqns (or is it magicians? sometimes the two
|
||
798 seem the same...) Two good answers to questions you didn't ask:
|
||
799
|
||
800 1) The best form of government is self-government. This is because
|
||
801 government is initially created to protect people from othur `uople in
|
||
802 the same society. However, government is usually perverted by others
|
||
803 seeking one of the great corruptors, power. Therefore, if people could
|
||
804 get off of their lazy buns, think things out, and act on the thought, the
|
||
805 world guld0be a better place for everyone. Because you govern yourself,
|
||
806 you are (hopefully) given freedom and the interaction of culture without
|
||
807 conflict. If this sounds too convoluted, just stick to the first sentence.
|
||
808
|
||
809 2) The best religyon yc personal religion. In other words, religion is
|
||
810 a private and personal experience, and anyone else who would tell you
|
||
811 otherwise simply perverts it into power (see #1) because the religious
|
||
812 experience is no longer on a personal basis (y.e., you have something
|
||
813 or someone you interact with instead of directly communicating/thinking).
|
||
814 Everything else is a matter of values. Even the two answers are
|
||
815 recieved with bias on the reader's end because of values. I don't
|
||
816 cabu whqt the rebuttals are, because I make my own answers. If I
|
||
817 didn't, then they would not be my answers, wouldn't they?
|
||
818
|
||
819 What happened to the story?
|
||
820
|
||
821 Hagbard Celine, Resident Guru with smile and helpful typing.
|
||
822
|
||
82#0{}
|
||
050=Usr:283 KEVIN CONNELL 08/18/88 02:04 Msg:2118 Call:10003627 Lines:10
|
||
824 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@user 283!##############
|
||
825 Well well well toxic waste, eh?
|
||
826 looks like toxic avanger lived up to his
|
||
827 name.
|
||
828
|
||
829 Well, if you guis |ike, I could put up a
|
||
830 BBS *JUST* like BWII, if ya want.....
|
||
831 Just say so
|
||
832 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@Late thursday...############
|
||
833 ^C
|
||
051=Usr:70 Kurfur Redlig 08/18/88 11:34 Msg:2119 Call:10003633 Lines:12
|
||
834 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig0l Good answer, wrong questionsssssssssssssss
|
||
835
|
||
836 To every question there is a short, easy to understand, cheap, simple
|
||
837 and wrong answer.
|
||
838
|
||
839 Hagbard, what I really want an answer to is whether I can go get a pizza
|
||
840 now. The angels n dxe pins can wait till I get back. Also, can any of
|
||
841 us prove that Zod exists? If not, then he must only be imaginary, and,
|
||
842 therefore, subject to deletion.
|
||
843
|
||
845 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | What type of Pizza????????????????????????
|
||
0%2=Usr:104 Trokin Korka 08/18/88 11:58 Msg:2120 Call:10003634 Lines:39
|
||
846 283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283
|
||
847 Hagbard the answer to life, the universe, and everything is :"42".
|
||
848 What's the question?
|
||
849 Haven't read the sequels yet. I shall when I can find someplace that
|
||
850 has them.
|
||
851 I shall be contiuing the story unless the story gets deleted like
|
||
852 the messages from Zit and his followers, and our messages back to them.
|
||
853
|
||
85$ STORY TIME-------------------STORY TIME
|
||
855
|
||
856 We reached the clearing where Kurfur had slaughtered many of the
|
||
857 endless hord of savages, and found the brownie gazing out into the woods
|
||
858 with Johnny out cold behind him. I wend0up to the brownie an said, "So
|
||
859 you finally did it. You decided to slug it out and that idiot is gone
|
||
860 out like a light when we need everybody awake."
|
||
861 "Don't be so angry, I can double for that loser in his stead, let's
|
||
862 get goinw", said the brownie, who was starting to continue in his
|
||
863 put-down of Johnny Edision Inter-dememsional Policeman, when he was
|
||
864 interrupted by a groan from the same person which he was criticizing.
|
||
865 "Don't they know where to put trees", hu sayd slowly sitting up
|
||
866 rubbing his head which contained a rather small brain for its normal size.
|
||
867 "Are you all right", I said helping him to his feet.
|
||
868 "I will be if I don't get into any more fights with that brownie".
|
||
869 "We|l, you better be, for we have to get going while it's still night
|
||
870 on this world, so that we can approach the citadel of the Lord's of
|
||
871 Darkness under the cover of night".
|
||
872 "Trokin is right, even though the Lords of Darkness can see in the0
|
||
(73 darkness of the night as easy as in the light of the day, we can still use
|
||
874 it to enter into the citadel without the knowledge of the guards.", said
|
||
875 the Guru.
|
||
876 "Let's get going then. I'm ready for some more battle.", said Kurfur
|
||
8'7 awqkening from the Berserkergang sleep that had been upon him for many
|
||
878 hours.
|
||
879 So, with that, we started off towards the center of the island where
|
||
880 layied the Citadel of the Lords of Darkness...
|
||
881 ... TO BE SONTYNUED BY OTHERS ...
|
||
882
|
||
883 This chapter of "The Book of Backwater Adventures" by Trokin Korka.
|
||
884 283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283283
|
||
053=Usr:283 KEVIN CONNELL 08/18/88 14:58 Msg:2121 Cal|*100 3635 Lines:6
|
||
885 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@User 283###############
|
||
886
|
||
887 Bumdeal! back at 43 colums (nyea! thpt)
|
||
888 I've always wanted to post on a profound place...
|
||
889 @@@@@@@@@@@@@Line 900!###############3###3
|
||
890 ^C
|
||
054=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/18/88 16:41 Msg:2122 Call:10003636 Lines:17
|
||
891 &*&*&*&*'s
|
||
892
|
||
893 I along with the others prepared for the final asault on the Dark lords
|
||
894 of destructive Chaos.
|
||
895
|
||
896 Were my path would lie reyo~d this point I was not sure. I could feel my
|
||
897 body slowly deteriating as the orb pulled on the last of my researves.
|
||
898 There was now a thin cloud suffusing my body. I knew that without some
|
||
899 manner of seperation or rebinding I would fade t nothingness.
|
||
900
|
||
901 The offer of the vieled on played through my mind. I felt myself weakening
|
||
902 in that way as well. BarelyI held on and started with my companions
|
||
903 towards the Citidel.
|
||
904
|
||
905 An Astral Dreamer.
|
||
906 &*&*&*&*'s
|
||
907
|
||
055-Usr:428 Mercury X 08/18/88 17:29 Msg:2123 Call:10003637 Lines:10
|
||
908 (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((())))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
|
||
909
|
||
910 Pizza sounds good, Kurfer...Pepperoni is my favorite.
|
||
911
|
||
912 Think of what woult happen if we had no sun and no light. The tempature would
|
||
913 drop to -483 degrees( I think) F. All metal would become brittle enough to
|
||
914 break on touch. Life would cease to exist.
|
||
915 Chilling thought, isn't it? (Pun intended.)
|
||
916
|
||
917 8(((8(((AUG 18((((((((((((((Mercury))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
|
||
056=Usr:96 Steve LaPlante 08/18/88 18:07 Msg:2124 Call:10003639 Lines:15
|
||
918 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|
||
919 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^N^^^N^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|
||
920 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|
||
921 Trine is back, somehow nourished by the prior P words. One was left out.
|
||
922 Hmmm. Censorship? Or simply foppishness? Perhaps it wqc Puce, my favorite
|
||
923 P word. But Pizza was fine. What is life, I asked, and received much for
|
||
924 my effort. Kurfur knows, but keeps it a secret from the rest of us. Why is
|
||
925 that? I think that you may look upon life as an uprofitable episode<
|
||
926 disturbing the blessed calm of non-existence. Unless it's pepperoni and
|
||
927 olive AND sausage.
|
||
928
|
||
929 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|
||
930 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^N^^^^^
|
||
931 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|
||
932
|
||
057=Usr:283 KEVIN CONNELL 08/18/88 19:54 Msg:2125 Call:10003643 Lines:1
|
||
933
|
||
058=Usr:70 Kurfur Redlig 08/18/88 22:23 Msg:2126 Call:10003645 Lines:52
|
||
93$ K[KKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | Well, here goes.................................
|
||
935
|
||
936 I once asked what life is. After many hours of serious soul searching (I
|
||
937 think it was my soul), I think I know what life is. You wanna know? Too
|
||
938 bad, you'ru gonna hear it anyways:
|
||
939
|
||
940 Life is knowing where to get the best Pizza.
|
||
941
|
||
942 I think that compiles up the last few statements pretty well. Nothing like
|
||
943 a composite theory. Now onto deeper thoughts (but I can't swim in the deep
|
||
944 end9. Hw do we know we exist? To be alive, we must exist, but life can
|
||
945 be imitated or imagined. Existance depends upon what is perceived, but isn't
|
||
946 perception a thing intrincis to life, which can be imagined? Therefore, I
|
||
947 think that the real auestyon is to prove that you exist, and after that,
|
||
948 life is easy to prove. But how? Everything could be imagined, or real, or
|
||
949 both. Are there separate realities, or separate perceptions of one reality?
|
||
950 If there are separate realities, then who yc to say who's reality you exist
|
||
951 on? Yours? Or someone elses? Or maybe they just imagine that you exist. If
|
||
952 there is just one reality, then how could we tell, relying on simple
|
||
953 perceptions, which (as was said before) can be only imaginet. What is real?
|
||
954 How do we know it's real? Is existance a part of reality, or vice versa?
|
||
955
|
||
956 To put it simply: " Is Canadian Bacon better than Pepperoni?" or something
|
||
957 to that effect.
|
||
958
|
||
959 "42" naw, doesn't fit.
|
||
960
|
||
961@KKKKKKK[KKK[KKKKKKurfur Redlig | AAAAAIIIIGGGGHHHHHH CENSORSHIP!!!!!!!!!!!!
|
||
962@
|
||
963@Oh, one last note to you Mikey,
|
||
964@ Someone once said that only when there is a free press and all men
|
||
965@can read, will true freedom be achieved.
|
||
966@ I thi~k txat this applies to Backwater too. Censorship is an ugly
|
||
967@thing, and it does nothing to promote information. Whether a message is
|
||
968@good or bad, usefull or worthless, original or redundant makes no
|
||
969@difference. All should have the right to0cee0it. When people tell you that
|
||
970@they will leave the board because of certain messages, remind them that they
|
||
971@don't have to read them, and that an uncensored board is better in the long
|
||
972@run. Besides, (please don't take offense) how do you know ghat we should
|
||
973@and shouldn't read? Shouldn't that be our decision? I know that Zod was
|
||
974@not putting on anything new, but at least he used the board, and without
|
||
975@messages, this board would be nothingOnce again I ask you to please let
|
||
976@the }essages run their course. Everyone, I'm sure, would prefer a
|
||
977@redundant board to a regulated one. With censorship, stupidity may be lost,
|
||
978@but so eventually goes truth and creativity.
|
||
979@ With that said, I suggest that we take a vote 8If this truly is a
|
||
980@democratic board) on whether we prefer redundancy and obnoxiousness to
|
||
981@censorship. So everone, please say Yae or Nae to censorship at the
|
||
982@beginning of your next message. After a full disk, I will count the votes
|
||
983@ant report on them. Agreed?
|
||
984@ I believe that's enough on the matter. On to the next disk, and
|
||
985@please VOTE!!!!
|
||
059=Usr:70 Kurfur Redlig 08/18/88 23:06 Msg:2127 Call:10003646 Lines:2
|
||
986 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | See you next disk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
|
||
060=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/19/88 01:39 Msg:2128 Call:10003650 Lines:12
|
||
988 &*&*&*&*'s
|
||
989 Looks
|
||
990 Like
|
||
991 I'm
|
||
992 At
|
||
993 The
|
||
994 Bottom!!!!!!!!
|
||
995 Empty
|
||
996 Empty
|
||
997 Empty
|
||
998 An Astral Dreamer
|
||
999 &*&*&*&*'s
|