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STATUS: ENTER ONLY
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1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask....
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2 ******************* REMOVED: 8 AUG 84 **********************
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3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day system operator
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4 ************************************************************
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5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION
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6 PLACED ON THIS SYSTEM.
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7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privately owned
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8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public.
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9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. As the system is
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10 privately owned, I retain the right to remove any and all messages which
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11 I may find offensive. Because of the limited size of the system, it will be
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12 periodically purged of messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved)
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13 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out of the
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14 ENTER mode. The message is automatically stored. If after entering the
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15 message you find you made a mistake, use the replace command to replace
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16 the line. To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up.
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17 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system.
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18 ************************************************************
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19
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20 L'homme: Yes, the disks will be there, as will I. Even the ever elusive
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21 20MAY83 will be there!
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22 To upload person: BWMS can accept the line input at full speed. The
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23 problem comes when you send the carraige return. BWMS then suspends
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24 all input checking until it gets done flushing the line to the disk.
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25 Sure it's hokey, but that's the way it works. So, If you can put
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26 about a one second delay at the end of each line it will work fine.
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27
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28 To All: OK, it seems we are back to the old control character problem
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29 again. This is a poll to find out what control characters you can or
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30 can't accept. As the saying goes, speak up now or forever hold your
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31 peace.
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32
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33 The system: The system as most of you know by now will not store a
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34 ^C also the ^L does strange things. ^H and rubout (delete) are not
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35 stored either. All other characters are stored.
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36
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37 My terminal: It doesn't like ESC followed by anything. Nor does it like
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38 ^N (puts it in graphics). It isn't too keen on tabs either.
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39 (Migs ^I's drive it bannas). There are some others that do strange
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40 things, but those are the ones that affect readable operation.
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41 ************************ CISTOP MIKEY ******************************
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42 Well, at the top. Interesting, as this will be my lat entry for a while.
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43 Tomorow I get on a big aluminum bird, and soar high into the sky, on my way to
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44 a new place in the sun.
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45 Uh, I mean rain. But, alas, you haven't gotten rid of me forever.
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46 (Poor Migguy---the way I pick on him---). I may only be gone a couple weeks
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47 maybe a year, but will be able to fly down once a mnth or so! (Right,
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48 even Porsfis isn't safe!). When I get settled, and get my 'famous uploading Coco
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49 set up, I'll be back
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50 to bug everyone!. See you all later. [*=*].
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51 *%)_#*%_!)%_)!*!_%!(_%*_#*%)_@#*%)_#*^)*#_)$!^*!#)_^)_#^*_)!#*^_)#*^!_)*^!_*^!*_!)*^_*^!*^$_*^_)*^#_)^*#)_*^#)_^@_)^
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52 voyeur : Do I notice a slight change in your outlook on life? Am I witness to a new but not so improved voyeur? Is
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53 this new voyeur now going to come complete with trivial remarks, snide remarks, agressive to the point of being
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54 obnoxious behavior, and other more abusive traits?
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55 You will miss a surprise (except to me) visit from Joseph Tandy, but that's your loss. On another note, the facade continues,
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56 can you catch the players? And on a final note, don't brag too much about past victories, because that's just what they
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57 are, in the past. No one remembers the score, just who WON and LOST! Anyway, that vile popcorn poison momentarilly caught
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58 me off gaurd. It took awhile to recover (and then I recovered, didn't I?)
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59 *%#@_)*%@_)**%_@)#*%_@#) L'homme sans parity - Je me rappele ma victoire! )_#_@%_*%)_@#*)*)_@*%@_)#*%@%@#%)@#^()*%^*
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60 :::::::::::::::::::::O O:::::::::::::::::::::O O:::::::::::::::::::::::::
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61 L'homme: My god, what did I say?
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62 ::::::::::::::::::::::O O::::::::::voyeur:::::::::::::O O:::::::::::::::::
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63 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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64 ROUTES FROM PRINCE RUPERT, VANCOUVER, OR COLUMBIA RIVER
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65 Page 222 section 11.86 -
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66 Stand seaward to make a safe offing, but keeping as close inshore as
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67 prudence dictates, to avoid the heavy seas experienced farther out. Proceed
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68 S until within about 300 miles NW of San Francisco, and thence proceed direct
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69 to Honolulu. ( entering the trades some 700 miles offshore )...........
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70 So..... so tempting.... so inviting.... so beckoning......
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71 Only a mear 21 days downwind ...when I was out there I could almost hear the
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72 palm fronds in the wind calling me... changing course for Portland was no
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73 easy task...even Harambee objected to returning here...
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74 This case of harbouritis could soon develop into an acute case of
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75 depression....
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76 And there's that one particular harbour
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77 So sheltered from the wind
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78 Where the children play
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79 On the shore each day
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80 And all is safe within...
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81
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82 :::::::::Alex:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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83
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84 ^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$
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85 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
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86
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87
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88 TODAYS WEATHER:
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89
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90 MOSTLY CLEAR, EXCEPT IN LOW LYING AREAS
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91 ABOVE 5000 FOOT, SO BE PREPARED!
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92
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93 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
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94 {
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95 It writes, rates, creates.... Even telecomunicates! Costs less, does
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96 more; the Commodore 64!
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97 }
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98 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/
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99 Alex:I take it then that your leaveing sooner? later? not at all?
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100 Voyeur being agressive? this I must see for myself!
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101 Unknownguy/dorun/[**=*]/lysias and all the rest-a safe and quick trip to you.
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102 Mikey-Why didn't you say so earler? I am always flexible involving control characters-when I can be!
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103 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?MiG? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/
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104 Which, of course, is an incredibly intellligent response, delicately drawing together all the loose strings of the
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105 argument under a marvelously perceptive closing statement. My hat is off to you, oh most perceptive logician!
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106 \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
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107 As to control characters, my terminal doesn't like ESC sequences (it has
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108 wierd, violent & obscure responses... like disabling the screen & keyboard
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109 driver routines)
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110 ^R starts my printer, ^T stops it.
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111 ^S freezes display (*REQUIRES* a ^Q to resume!)
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112 ^E is used for some unknown (but usually VERY inconvenient) function
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113 ^P also has obscure & unpleasant function
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114 ^I tabs to next tab position (8,16,24,32...)
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115 ^J is linefeed
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116 On my alternate terminal, ^Z closes the buffer (& may cause a log-off under
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117 certain circumstances. ^K homes the cursor. ESC, ^I, ^J, ^L, & ^S behave as
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118 on primary terminal.
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119 My vote WOULD go to NULL (^@, 00h) as a delay char except that
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120 my alternate unit discards them! This loses the flavor of some entries.
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121 ________________________________Leonard_________________________________________
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122 Dark Moon Circle (words & music: Phillip Wayne & Cynthia McQuillin)
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123 Lady hey! Steal away - join us in the woodlands.
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124 Revel high through the night until the dawn is at hand.
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125
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126 Nightingale sings and wails, she's our secret keeping.
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127 Dead of night, dark moon light, all the men are sleeping.
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128
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129 Spirit high, come dance with me, air and earth and water free.
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130 Lay your hand upon my breast, take me to your blessed rest.
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131
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132 Nightingale sings and wails, she's our secret keeping.
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133 Dead of night, dark moon light, all the men are sleeping.
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134
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135 -All the men are sleeping.
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136 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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137 (not QUITE all...)
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138 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~BARD~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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139 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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140 Hello all: Just send any ol' character my way, most of my term programs ignore
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141 them. NULLs would be great.
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142 If you want to know where I've been and what I have been doing, look on PCS.
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143 I log in there about once a day if possible.
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144 Until I type again.....
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145 Milchar, the M.C.P. (Mad Commodore Programmer)
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146 And who says the C-64 doesn't do a lot for the money? I couldn't afford any
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147 other machine to do this.
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148 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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149 WAIT JUST A DOGGONE MINUTE!
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150 L'homme, just what do you mean FIVE systems? I count 3, 4 if you include the
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151 Model 1.
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152 __________________________________Leonard_______________________________________
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153 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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154 MiG,
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155 1/100 ths would be fine .... just suffering sailing withdrawl....
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156 Its just the salt spray praying on my mind.... so close yet so far..Arrrg !
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157
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158 Riskers,
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159 Looks like it might be Friday night not Saturday...Sorry...
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160 ::::::::::Alex:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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161 *@#_*%@#_*%)_@#*%_#)@*%_)*!#%_)!%_)!*%_*!_%*!#_)%*@#_)*%)_@#*_*%_@#)*%!_)*%!_#)*%!_)*%)_*)_@*%)_@*%)_@*%_@)#*%_)*%@_#*%
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162 ___Leonard___ I was counting the model 1, plus using a little dramatic exaggeration for effect. The meaning remains
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163 the same. It seems to be the rage these days.
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164 Voyeur: You are right. I was wrong. Je suis desole'. I am still savoring the delicious taste of that popcorn cake.
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165 I am sure the Gods on Olympus never had anything like this. Ambrosia is pale in comparison. My taste buds still tingle
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166 from the exciting flavors put forth by that food fit for a king. My congratulations to the chef(es)! C'est magnifique!
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167 Alex : Let's see now...PAUG and PCS Thursday, Risk Friday, PC&S Saturday...I guess I can handle all of that. As long
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168 as the Commode acts OK.
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169 MiG : Although I am not in total agreement on your cpu speeds, we do seem to share remarkably similar tastes in music.
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170 I must rank Pink Floyd with Blue Oyster Cult as my favorite groups. Did you by any chance ever get to see and
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171 experience Laser Floyd? Truly a mind blowing show. I am sure glad Portland has OMSI. They continue to host or put on
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172 themselves fine programs, exhibits, and shows.
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173 With apologies to Bard, I submit this humble, yet true to the heart, ditty.
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174
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175 I deplore my 64 - Words by moi, music by Bach, J.S.
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176 '''''''''''''
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177 I deplore my 64, without it my life would be such a bore.
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178 I hate its lines, its sound is fake, but something else just takes the cake.
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179 The speed it runs is truly slow, but there remains one thing I do not know.
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180 If all we say about the commode is true, how come its loved by more than a few.
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181 Its horrid keyboard, and a BASIC I can not bare, and the operating system just doesn't play fair.
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182 My days are always dark and bleak, when I use the commode, for more than a week.
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183 My bloodshot eyes, they blur my sight, when will I be relieved, from C Sixty-four blight.
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184 All I can say, at the end of my song, is when my Comodore is finished, I too will be gone.
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185 ''''''''''''''
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186 _)%#)_@*%@_)#*%_@)#*% L'homme sans parity - avec une chanson dans mon coeur _)*!_*%!*%_)#*%_)!*%!_#*%!_*%!_*%!_*%_!*%
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187 :::::::::::::::::::::::O O:::::::::::::::::::::O O::::::::::::::::::::::::
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188 L'homme: groan. I hope your programming is better than your poetry. Otherwise
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189 Clyde and _____ the A$ are getting ripped off.
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190 Alex: I guess Friday night is acceptable. If it extends as late as it has
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191 the last two times, it's almost more practical to stop at the library for
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192 PorSFiS rather than going home and coming back a short time later. (did that make any sense?)
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193 Mikey: you don't like ^I's? They are so common (not just in MiG's messages),
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194 your terminal must go crazy whenever you read the messages. Are you implying that
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195 you don't want them to be used anymore? (I kinda like them, myself).
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196 Leonard: since nulls take just as much time for BW to send as any other character,
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197 the pause should still exist when reading the message. Of course, your terminal
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198 program may not keep them when downloading, but that's another matter.
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199 ::::::::::::::::::O O:::::::::::voyeur:::::::::::O O::::::::::::::::::::
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200 pppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
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201 Re: The blasted control character discussion.
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202 If I am using the much modified apple, there are a few control characters that
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203 do strange things, but all are recoverable. If, however, I am using a TEK
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204 terminal tied into it -- hoo boy! The real killer is the <GS> character
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205 (<CTRL-]>). That little character puts a Tek terminal into Vector mode ...
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206 it interprets subsequent alpha characters as encoded xy pairs, does a move to
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207 the first one it thinks it gets, then draws to each one it gets from then on.
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208 Escapes are no problem as long as the following characters are (one or the
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209 other) lower case. I imagine that the other end sees some internal terminal
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210 messages, but if it ignores them, no problem. The mmapple ignores all the
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211 <ESC>'s that creep in. I seem to be one of the main culprits in throwing them
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212 onto the system, Mikey, the <ESC> key is just in the wrong place on the mmapple.
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213 pppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
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214 ^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^
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215 Re: ^Character discussion
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216 I am using a VT100 terminal, and only ^S is a real problem, needing a ^Q
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217 to get it going again. Escape sequences are O.K. except they lose the next
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218 character, unless the next character is a '[' in which case the results can
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219 be bizzare.
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220
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221 ^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$ Laissez-faire $^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^
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222
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223 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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224 Todays weather:
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225
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226 partly cloudy until clearing then
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227 possibly partly cloudy again.
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228
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229
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230
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231
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232 HAH! MY COMMODORE 64 TERMINAL PROGRAM
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233 IS PERFECT. YOU CAN THROW ALL THE CON
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234 TROL CHARACTERS IN THERE YOU WANT AND
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235 IT JUST MINDS ITS OWN BIZENESS. YOU A
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236 ND YOUR FANCY TERMINALS HAVE ALL YOUR
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237 PROBLEMS, WHILE I SIT BACK AND LAUGH.
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238 HEY YOU WITH THE SONG. WHY DON'T YOU
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239 PICK ON SOMEONE YOUR OWN SIZE. I LIKE
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240 MY COMMODORE, AND ITS MORE COMPUTER
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241 THAN MOST OF YOU COULD EVER HANDAL. P
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242 UT THAT IN YOUR CRAW BIGMOUTHS!
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243
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244 HI THERE THIS IS A LITLE SONG ABOUT
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245 A NEATGUY IN A NEAT TOWN
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246
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247 HERE IT GOES
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248 I AM A NEATGUY IN A NEAT TOWN
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249 I LIVE IN THE DOWN TOWN
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250 IN A NEAT TOWN.....
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251 BUT I DON'T LIKE TO LIVE IN A TOWN
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252 BECAUSE IT BRINGS ME DOWN ,IF YA KNOW WH
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253 AT I MEAN YEAH YEAH YEAH
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254 I'M THE MAN IN THE NEAT GUY TOWN
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255 I LIVE IN THE DARK SIDE OF DAY
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256 I RUN AND HIDE BUTCHA YA CANNOT FIND
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257 WHATCHA YOUR LOOKING FOR IN THIS TOWN
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258 I'M THE MAN IN THE NEAT GUY TOWN
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259 I LIVE THERE BUT IT BRINGS ME DOWN
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260 YOU CAN FLY TO THE TOP
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261 BUT YOU ALWAYS DROP I'M THE MAN IN THE
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262 NEATGUY TOWN-
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263 THE NEATGUYS
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264 ------------
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265 THIS IS A CONTINUEATION OF
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266 THE MAN ON THE NEATGUY TOWN
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267
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268 I LIVE IN DARK
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269 I LIVE NEAR THE PARK
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270 I CAN SCREAM ,BUTCHA YA CANNOT HEAR
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271 YOUR INSANE BUTCHA KNOW I CAN'T COMPLAIN
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272 ABOUT THE TOWN THAT IS BE RUINED HERE
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273 I LIVE OUT SIDE
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274 I LIVE,AND SOMEDAY I WILL DIE
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275 BUTCHA KNOW THAT I ALWAYS RIGHT
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276 BECAUSE YOU CAN'T PUT UP A GOOD ENOUGH F
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277 IGHT.............................
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278 THAT IS BROUGHT TO YOU BY
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279
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280 THE
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281
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282 NEAT GUY
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283
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284 BAND :SOON TO BE THE BEST BAND IN THE WH
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285 OLE NEIGHBOR HOOD!!!(HA)!!!!!
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286 WHATCHA YA THINK EH?
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287
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288 E
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289 D
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290
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291 N
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292 U
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293 L
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294 E
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295 ----------------------------------------
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296 && && &&
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297 To the Above "Neat Guy". You only serve to support my contention that no intelligent life form voluntarily uses
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298 a Commodore, 64 or otherwise. Many whom I respect have 64's; they are all hoping to get something better.
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299 Your use of 40-char lines is inconsiderate, by the way. Try 120 characters; it'll come out to 3 of your lines, and
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300 waste less disk space. On the subject of odd characters, I would like to reiterate my dislike for the close-curly-
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301 brace character (it clears my screen) and the bell (it sounds obnoxious). All others are fine. I might make it to
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302 PORSFIS this week, so everyone be sure to bring your autograph books (aint't I the humble one, though?). Hail Eris!
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303 && The Mad Actor &&
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304 P.S.--I've used "REplace" to write the above, using up lines left blank by "NEAT(sic) GUY". Will whoever follows do
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305 the same to avoid too much waste? This is Your board--Help keep it clean! && TMA &&
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306
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307
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308 {
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309 Ditto on ^I's for me..... dosen't hurt though, just makes the text
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310 look squashed against the left margin.... Gee, where's Prometheus?
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311 }
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312 ;-;-;-;-;;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;
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313 Well, I'm not one to go around pointing fingers and such, however if the
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314 above person wrote all that and had the audacity to leave the system in
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315 an "UNSAFE" status then I must say YOU, sir are an unadulterated, low
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316 profile, supercilious, slimey snake!! For shame!! Even slow witted Fin
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317 has that much respect for the system. I'm sorry if you feel slighted by
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318 this, but if you look at the above you'll feel some sense of shame at not
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319 using the REPLACE command properly! As for ^characters, I don't want any
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320 and have no intention of giving out any (anymore) either. It upsets the
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321 delicate nature of things and gets folks mad.
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322 ;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-; FIN
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323 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/
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324 I have just come home from one of the most interesting days of my life. Yes folks, MiG's first day of high school.
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325 The above Commode user shows far more intelect then I have been exposed to today.
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326 As for what is better then a Commole for the price, look into the`RS CoCo.`Anyone with brains can see that the resonably
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327 fast disk drives,better processor and SERIOUS software far outwiegh the games and noise potential of the Commode. Does
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328 the Commode have "C"`for it? Pascal? any g
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329 oops! massive lightning strikes, gonna log off now!
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330 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/MiG/? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/
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331 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$tgc$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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332
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333 Hey prometheus or theus may I say?
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334
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335 I bet you think you are going to use
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336 the computers this year???? Well let
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337 me set you straight. We are going to deprive you of every thought you had of that. WE are the bosses now and you
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338 are just a puny freshman.
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339
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340 signed ZAPHOD BEEBLEBROX the Preseident of the Galaxy
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341 and CAID SANNEN the sadistic
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342 HHeh Heh Heh Heh Heh Heh
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343 #%$#%$#%$#%$#%$#$% #%$#%#%#%$##%$#%$#%$#%$#%$#%#%#%$#%$#%$#%$#
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344 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/
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345 O.K. no more lightning, with my direct connect being REAL direct-to the phone lines without anything like a transformer
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346 to suppress multi-kilovolt spikes. As I was blathering... The commde is a great games machine, not much else. I know
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347 someone who actualy uses his, for a terminal to a VAX. As for the 68020 vs. VAX 11/780`debate, I maintain that the '020
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348 is faster, and I think L'homme and I will have a fun time trying to convince each other of the oposite.
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349 And I do like BOC, "mirrors" had a few nice ones on it, "the vigjb@hyjtdbhyrsej
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350 crud, I hate voltage`brownouts, the vigel(sp).
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351 Prometheus:What a wonderfully intelligent bunch of pals you have! Do I get an answer on when you need the Z-80 or are
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352 you lost in space?
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353 ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?`? ? ? ? ? ? ?/MiG/? ? ? ? ?? > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? > ? ?/
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354
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355 ^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^
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356 Mikey- What say you to a sojourn to the MT ? It was interesting, but perhaps a
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357 place where the requisite age would be higher would be better ?
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358
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359 ^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$ Laissez-faire $^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^
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360
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361 ARE YOU GUYS FOR REAL???? ACTUALLY I THINK THIS SYSTEM IS FOR THE TYPE WHO US THERE COMPUTER FOR GAMES. OH WELL,I GUESS
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362 YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE GOOD WITH THE WEIRD THE BIG "BS" WAS HERE,BYE NOW
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363 Mikey: On viewing the C-64 message on line 235 (and then downloading it)
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364 I have a couple of questions. Why doesn't BW send a visible string when it
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365 encounters a 1C or a 1F while in CC N mode. Also, why does it show 1D a
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366 ^= & 1E as ^~?
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367 __________________________Leonard_______________________________________________
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368 ps I'm keeping a list of characters & who doesn't like them (and WHY).
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369 ______________________________________________________________________________ _
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370 In re intelligence, it may not be the magic key, and the tests are somewhat
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371 biased, but the results of the tests are, ON THE AVERAGE, and usually
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372 individually, a good indication of aperson's performance. The fact that
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373 they are biased to a certain type of society isn't as damning a fault as
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374 has been climed here, after all, we live in the society they are biased for.
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375 As for the use of test to pigeonhole people, that too is a valid use: we do
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376 this all the time, for much less valid reasons, why not do it for a good one?
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377 (We must condense the total input of data we get from the world around us,
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378 few of us are truly omnipotent and all-knowing. Sit down, Jesus, I'm speaking
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379 for the rest of us.) A few points of "IQ" don't mean much, but sane reading
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380 of the results can help. Test-wisdom helps, but don't mistake good teaching
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381 tests with good verifying tests, they aren't the same thing. Also don't
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382 expect IQ to relate to such things as artistic talent, musical, or any other
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383 talent. It often does, but.. Much the same goes for benchmarking micro-
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384 processors, they are usually valid, but I spend most of my computer time
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385 running other programs. It is fairly easy to find something that each micro
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386 will do better, faster, or something than any other. BUT, does your
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387 program run on it?
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388 Oh, control characters, please stay away from form feeds, they are a nuisance.
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389 Most others are either ignored or correctly displayed( e.g. tab).
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390 Copylink filters out the high order bits on display, so if you use 8 bit
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391 characters, they look OK, but when displayed from a downloaded file will
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392 do their thing.
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393 ................................BAD........................................
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394
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395 Yawn... The Inn is certainly boring recently. Did I hear Pam sneak
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396 through the door?
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397 Dr. Frankenstupe
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398 +_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+
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399
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400 Dr. Frankenstupe? I thought the neighbors had lynched you. For the 'thing'
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401 you were keeping.
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402
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403 {
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404 Gee how crummy backwater has become!
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405 }
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406 ********************************************************:
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407 Mig: I never complained about the ^I because it didn't do anything
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408 drastic. The problem is that the terminal needs to have the tab stops
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409 settup, or it tabs across the whole screen leaving the cursor at the
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410 upper left corner. The problem is that the tabs never get set because I
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411 have to keep turning the terminal off to reset it when things get strange.
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412
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413 As far as Nulls go, the big problem there is a lot of systems
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414 can't send them such as many IBM's. You have to misdirect them to get
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415 'em to send a null. The problem is that MSDOS thinks that the null is a
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416 lead in character for the function keys and such. As a result, many
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417 programs can't send it.
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418 Leonard: Here's areal intelligent answer for you, I don't know, that's
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419 just the way it works. (Wierd I know) If it is any help, the thing was
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420 originaly writen for an LA36 printer, and was used with ADM3A's for
|
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421 development.
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422 BAD: Easy to take care of in COPYLINK, just switch to even parity, and all
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423 those nasty 8 bits will disappear. Also, you can turn the filter on to
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424 ignore control characters.
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425 Dr. Frankenstupe:
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426 I haven't seen PAM around here for sometime. The last entry was her response
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427 to your original letter. Sigh, I miss her...
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428 ********************** CISTOP MIKEY ****************************************:
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429 Ok, so far we are down to ^A, ^B, ^D, ^F, ^O, ^U, ^V, ^W, ^X, ^Y, ^\, & ^^.
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430 There is also the matter of "unnusual characters" (@,[,\,],^,_,`,{,|, & ~).
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431 Some of them either are not "properly" displayed or they are used
|
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432 as "control" characters (Atari uses the right curl (7Dh) as a screen clear).
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433 I would suggest NOT using ^@ (null, 00h), ^\ (FS, 1Ch), or ^^ (RS, 1Eh) as
|
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434 our delay characters. They cannot be sent from a number of terminals. (one of
|
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435 my systems can send null, but not FS or RS. The other can't send null but has
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436 no trouble with FS & RS.)
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437 _____________________________________Leonard____________________________________
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438 >>>>>>
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439 Who cares about control characters? If your computer can't take them then junk
|
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440 it. I have yet to have any problems on this system that are even
|
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441 closely related to control characters.
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442 And I get along just fine. To top it off, the system I use to access bbs's is..
|
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443 Yes a lowly commodore. I also own an Ace 1000.
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444 But I kinda like my toy. It isn't hard to operat, I learned Basic and Assembley
|
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445 on it and I can access all the systems you people with your $2,000 MACHINES can
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446 WITHOUT the hassle of control characters.
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447 Kinda makes you wonder who the FOOLS are. The ones who pay more to do somethin
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448 g, or the ones who pay hundreds less and do the SAME things.
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449 (Although I wouldn't trade my Ace 1000 for anything).
|
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450
|
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451 Oh well, just thought I'd get my 2 cents worth.
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452 By the way, a bit (no pun intended) of advice:
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453 Big price tags and Big names do not a computer make, the only thing that
|
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454 makes a computer good is..........
|
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455 YES!! THE USER!
|
||
456
|
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457 Thanx for listening.
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458
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459 Richie Rich
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460
|
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461 Once known as FOTI
|
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462
|
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463 >>>>>>>>
|
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464 ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
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465 Hmm... the young man above seems to be moving toward something. Let's
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466 see if we can take it a little further. His assertion that what makes a good
|
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467 computer is the user. Let's ignore the fact (for a while) that it is not
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468 necessary to have or use your own computer to interact on Backwater. While
|
||
469 on here, the gestalt of interactions between users make this a good or bad
|
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470 place to be. Let's not even get into good or bad -- just like and dislike.
|
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471 What makes Backwater a place you like to come back to? I like the exchange
|
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472 of ideas, the drift and swoop of imagination as stories are told, and the
|
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473 flashes of wit and irony as arguments unfold.
|
||
474 What makes Backwater unpleasant? I dislike personal attacks, displays of
|
||
475 childish petulance, the "you did too -- no I didn't" type of argument, and
|
||
476 the childish type of mind that thinks that messages such as
|
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477 "SLIME PIT MINDS RULE THE UNIVERSE"
|
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478 have meaningful semantic content. I am aware that I am quite a bit older
|
||
479 than most of the users on this system, but find most of you quite worthwhile.
|
||
480 Sorry to take up a lot of space with rambling -- but in general the users
|
||
481 of this system deserve a tremendous compliment for keeping the level up.
|
||
482 The piper stepped off his soapbox, swept off his glengarry and made a
|
||
483 sweeping bow to the assembled group.
|
||
484 pppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
|
||
485 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
|
||
486 Bravo, Piper!
|
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487 Milchar, another Commodore user, and quite happy (for now).
|
||
488 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
|
||
489 ;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;
|
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490 So! You wanna be in the movies heh? Just remember the price you'll pay.
|
||
491 Life becomes a gold fish bowl, they suck up your heart and eat your soul.
|
||
492 Put you out on public display never mind what you might say!
|
||
493 Yes step right up and see the show, you're the main attraction don't you know.
|
||
494 We'll watch you dance and sing and in the end it won't mean a thing!
|
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495 You'll fade to black like the one before and hang upon some wall in a poster
|
||
496 store.
|
||
497 So watch your step and keep alert or you'll get your just dessert.
|
||
498 Original words by S. Lester, inspiration by F. Fin.
|
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499 ;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-
|
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500 ARCHIVE UPDATE ARCHIVE UPDATE ARCHIVE UPDATE ARCHIVE UPDATE ARCHIVE UPDATE ARCHIVE UPDATE ARCHIVE UPDATE ARCHIVE UPDATE
|
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501
|
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502 Following a marathon session last night, L'homme and voyeur managed
|
||
503 to complete the transfer of the Back Water archives to IBM PC DD/DS
|
||
504 disks.
|
||
505 Just as they were preparing to make the jump to TRSDOS, L'hommes
|
||
506 five year old model I which has never given him a bit of trouble
|
||
507 in all these years, and has always worked flawlessly, started to
|
||
508 act up. NEWDOS error messages never seen before appeared on the
|
||
509 screen, much to the dismay of the archivers.
|
||
510 The party broke up at 2:30am, and an alternative plan of attack is
|
||
511 being charted.
|
||
512 Ninja, if you are out there, bring me the disks and I can have your
|
||
513 archives ready in a few minutes.
|
||
514 Leonard...have patience. L'homme is highly trained in the repair and
|
||
515 operation of TRS80s, although he has never had to *FIX* his own.
|
||
516
|
||
517 ARCHIVE UPDATE ARCHIVE UPDATE ARCHIVE UPDATE ARCHIVE UPDATE ARCHIVE UPDATE ARCHIVE UPDATE ARCHIVE UPDATE ARCHIVE UPDATE
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518 TO THE PROUD COMMODORE 64 USER. MAYBE THE COMMODORE IS ALL
|
||
519 THE COMPUTER YOU CAN HANDLE. SOME PEOPLE HAVE THE REQUIRED
|
||
520 SOPHISTICATION TO USE AND OPERATE THE $2000 COMPUTERS YOU
|
||
521 SPOKE OF, WHILE OTHERS ARE ALMOST OVERWHELMED BY THE POKE
|
||
522 CHARTS AND MULTITUDE OF DISK COMMANDS COMMODORE DOS(E) HAS
|
||
523 IN ITS ROMS. PERHAPS WE SHOULD BE A LITTLE LESS PROUD OF
|
||
524 EACH OF THE USER'S VARIOUS MACHINES, AND A LITTLE MORE
|
||
525 COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT THERE IS MORE TO LIFE THAN
|
||
526 SPRITE GRAPHICS AND SERIAL DISK INPUT/OUTPUT.
|
||
527
|
||
528 ***********************************************************************
|
||
529 Leonard: Also, the Atari uses the ~ as backspace in some comm programs.
|
||
530 ************************** CISTOP MIKEY *****************************
|
||
531 Piper: Slime pit minds rule the universe! So there! Nyah!
|
||
532 (Sorry, I couldn't resist. Somebody had to say it!)
|
||
533 ***********************************************************************
|
||
534 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
|
||
535 Riskers,
|
||
536 Tomorrow ....the usual time ...say 7ish-8ish ???...how many
|
||
537 lambs are expected ??
|
||
538 :::::::::::Alex:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
|
||
539 ^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^
|
||
540 Well, they did it. Fritz and Gerry came to town and brought the rain.
|
||
541 (Heh, heh. I had to say it, or someone else would have.) I saw the
|
||
542 crowd that assembled to hear them. It looked like a reject from a 60s
|
||
543 rock concert. Around 2000 militant airheads. All the rhetoric from the
|
||
544 feminists about finally having a woman candidate is really ridiculous.
|
||
545 She is running for V.P., a job that mainly involves going to funerals. Wow.
|
||
546 What a breakthrough! The latest polls show Reagan ahead by up to 30
|
||
547 percentage points. That means that even if Fritz gets all the undecideds,
|
||
548 he still loses. And the country wins.
|
||
549 ^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$ Laissez-faire $^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^
|
||
550
|
||
551 test string @[\]^_`{| any problems?
|
||
552 above is ^A ^B ^D ^F ^O ^U ^V ^W ^X ^Y 6\ ^^ "at""left bracket" backslash
|
||
553 "right bracket" caret underline "grave accent" "left curly bracket"
|
||
554 "vertical bar"
|
||
555 if any problems occur or they are displayed differently please leave a message.
|
||
556 ____________________
|
||
557 Mikey: BW does NOT accept lines without a delay between the characters. I tried
|
||
558 to upload the "test string" and got a lot of garbage.
|
||
559 L'homme: Should I bring over PowerTool?
|
||
560 Seriously, maybe we should try a different strategy.
|
||
561 Can't the LNW write TRSDOS disks? Or (shudder) could we move the M3 and
|
||
562 the IBM into close proximity & use a HIGH speed link?
|
||
563 Richie Rich: the problem is NOT that we can't HANDLE the control characters. It
|
||
564 is that not all systems respond the same to them. Piper's TEK graphics terminal
|
||
565 would blow away your C64, but it uses a control char that you ignore to get into
|
||
566 graphics mode.
|
||
567 By the way, does the C64 still use Commodore's (non-ASCII) character set?
|
||
568 _____________________________________Leonard____________________________________
|
||
569 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$TGC$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
|
||
570
|
||
571 HELLO FETUS...
|
||
572
|
||
573 DID YOU WET YOUR PANTS TRYING TO FIND
|
||
574 OUT WHAT WE SAID???? WE CERTANLY HOPE SO
|
||
575 BY THE WAY ITHIS APPLE AND ITS MODEM IS A HOLE LOT OF FUN. I BET YOU WOULD
|
||
576 REALLY LIKE TO USE IT.
|
||
577 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/
|
||
578 I wonder when I will crack and do something violent to "zaphod" up there,
|
||
579 he just left enough obscene garbage to make a sailor blush and had the nerve to
|
||
580 put in NN+ returns to fill the disk. He has given enough clues, I
|
||
581 could find him w/o too much trouble, but I hate to think of just what I would
|
||
582 *DO* to him once I caught him! Still, we will call this fair warning.
|
||
583 Figment of the imagination! lets see, where did I put that 2 inch stack of pink
|
||
584 cards also known as...the twit files. I might add that my total system cost for
|
||
585 this terminal was around 70 bucks, *WITH* modem. And it reacts to VT52`commands
|
||
586 nicely!
|
||
587 Leonard:Test came`out o.k.
|
||
588 could you give me an approxamate time when you put in your last entry?
|
||
589 Alex:Lambs? I hope to repete the dice rolls of last, all I have to do it get
|
||
590 ====== and ===== then silly and .... on the table beforehand. O.K. maybe not.
|
||
591 Hatachi is still being a pain in the buns, ram`went down a wee bit.
|
||
592 other then that, the software model system is comming along well.
|
||
593 MiG
|
||
594 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/
|
||
595 (')(')('( ) )(')(')(')(')(')(')(')(')(')(')(')(')(')(')('))(')(')(')(')
|
||
596
|
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597 DEAR MIG,
|
||
598
|
||
599 IF YOU THINK THAT THE ABOVE WOULD MAKE A SAILOR BLUSH THEN YOU
|
||
600 MUST LEAVE A VERY SHELTERED LIFE! NOW WHATS THE PROBLEM ABOUT YOUR TERMIN
|
||
601 -AL?
|
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602
|
||
603
|
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604 CAID SANNEN
|
||
605 +
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606
|
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607 THIS IS IT FOR "A"
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