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1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask....
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2 ************************ REMOVED 2 APR 84 ******************
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3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator
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4 ************************************************************
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5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION
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6 PLACED ON THIS SYSTEM.
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7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privatly owned
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8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public.
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9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. As the system is
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10 privatly owned, I retain the right to remove any and all messages which
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11 I may find offensive. Because of the limited size of the system, it will be
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12 periodically purged of messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved)
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13 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out of the
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14 ENTER mode. The message is automatically stored. If after entering the
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15 message you find you made a mistake, use the replace command to replace
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16 the line. To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up.
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17 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system.
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18 ************************************************************
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19
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20 DEBORAH: HERE, HERE?? I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
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22 TO PARITYLESS PERSON: THE SPEED IS DEPENDANT UPON THE CLOCK RATE OF
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23 YOU SYSTEM. WITH 4 MHZ CLOCK THE MAXIMUM RATE IN THE TERMINAL MODE
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24 IS 4800 IF NOT RECEIVING A FILE, AND 2400 IS RECEIVING TO DISK. IF
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25 YOU ARE TRANSFERING A FILE VIA THE XMODEM PROTOCOL, THEN THE MAXIMUM
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26 RATE IS 38400. THESE RATES OF COURSE WILL CHANGE IF YOUR SYSTEM
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27 CLOCK IS AT SOMETHING OTHER THEN 4MHZ, AND ARE SUBJECT TO ANY OTHER
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28 SYSTEM LIMITATIONS AS WELL. AS FOR THE REPROGRAMING, THE SOURCE
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29 FILE FOR THE MACHINE INTERFACE IS PROVIDED WITH THE SOFTWARE SO
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30 THAT YOU CAN MODIFY IT TO YOUR HEARTS CONTENT.
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31 *********************** CISTOP MIKEY ********************************
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32
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33 #################################################################
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34 Ahh, I wonder how that mercinary that I hired to search for PAM
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35 is doing? I haven't heard from him since he left. I hope he hasn't
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36 run into some misfortune, it's so hard to find good soldier of fortune
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37 types these days what with times as they are.
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38 ###################### The Innkeeper ##############################
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39
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40 (<>)(<>)(<>)(<>)(<>)(<>)(<>)(<>)(<>)(<>)(<>)(<>)(>)(<>)(<>)8<>)(<>)
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41
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42 While wandering around the wizards quarters I found some curious
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43 things, but nothing conclusive. Maybe if I look in these rooms...
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44 Whats this, I feel an odd tugging, with musical undertones...
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45 Of course! pipes! well I just have to see where and when the Piper
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46 has in mind...
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47 As familiar shapes fegin to coalece around me I relax, maybe I will
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48 have time for a few drinks...
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49
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50 (<>)(<>)(<>)(<>)(<>)(<>)(<>)(<>)(<>)The Traveller8<>)(<>)(<>)(<>)(<>)
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51
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52 Has 'Green Eyes' read the Horseclan Novels?
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53
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54 (<>)(<>)T.T.(<>)(<>)(<>)
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55 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
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57 SAM PECKINPAH
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58 WHAT WAS IT YOU WANTED TO TALK TO ME LATER ABOUT?
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59 PHERIC FOERENDER
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60 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
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61 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX!!! ATTENTION !!!
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62 ANYONE WHO KNOWS ABOUT THE FLATHEAD PORTRAIT
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63 IN ZORK II ,PLEASE LEAVE A MESSAGE ON THIS BBS TELLING HOW
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64 TO GET AROUND THE BANK ALARM SYSTEM WITH THE PICTURE
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65
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66 PHERIC FOERENDER
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67 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
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68
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69 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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70 hello! just popped in for for a quick look about.....
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71
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72 how bouts a little teeny-weeny discussion/debate/name-calling match? say,
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73 firearm control? ( do I hear 2 sets of muffled chuckles in the background?
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74 it WAS the only thing left, right?) I'll take round 1.
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75
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76 1) All firearms should be removed from the public sector.
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77 (here comes the sharps commitee...)
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78
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79 Aaron
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80 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>{}<><><><><><><><><><><>
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81 pppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
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82 Aaron -- sure! Here's round two:
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83 2) Every person should be required to complete a firearms safety course and
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84 fire a qualifying score at a target range before recieving a high-school
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85 diploma. Use and maintanance of firearms should be required just as other
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86 survival skills such as mathematics and english. No restriction should be
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87 placed on purchase and ownership of firearms.
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88
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89 Have at it! ................
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90 The piper placed his pipes on his shoulder and played "When You Go to the
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91 Hills Bring Your Gun".
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92 Deborah -- I'll check through my back issues this weekend and try to
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93 find issues you might like to look at. Since you are interested in space,
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94 are you aware of the L-5 society? I don't have an address for them but
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95 I'm sure that someone here must have it.
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96 Bard and Apprentice -- Ok, I'm game for any expedition you want to name.
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97 I won't be able to contribute much but I can try to hold to the rules of
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98 whatever reality we head off to.
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99 (my goodness -- my english teacher didn't like me to end a sentence with
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100 ONE preposition. Look at that last one!)
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101 PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
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102 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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103 With all the trouble in the world, I think that we would all be a lot
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104 safer if there were much stricter controls on guns. I'm not saying
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105 that we should get rid of guns, just that we should be more careful. the
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106 safty course should be manditory for any who buy or use guns, and those
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107 who live in the vicinity of those who do.
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108
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109 I missed who said it, but the radio just had a report about some interesting
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110 views. some polititian said that it was the duty of the old to die to
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111 make room. He also said drugs that allow terminally ill people to
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112 live longer was wrong. I'm not kidding. Although I didn't catch his
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113 name, I did hear that he was Democrat.
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114 It's hard to believe that it's sick minds like this that run our lives
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115 through the government..
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116 WAIT! I just found it on the front page of the oregonian. It was
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117 Colorado gov. Richard Lamm. The article is more disgusting than the
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118 radio report. There's one politian who probably just talked himself
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119 out of re-election.
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120 Bo
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122 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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123
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124 I feel there are enough laws restricting firearms......The easier way
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125 to insure ( at least with the least trouble ) a safer future
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126 would be Control the amunition that is available to the public.
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127
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128 Just a thought ,
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129 :::::::::::::::::::::::Alex::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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130 The cat shook its head. Where had THAT thought come from? He knew
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131 the horse clans and their two-leg friends, but what was a "novel"?
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132 """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Green Eyes""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
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133 Alex: If you are referring to that law that some groups are trying to push
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134 thru Congress, let me fill you in on a few details the media seems reluctant
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135 to mention.
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136 1. The teflon bullets are no longer being made.
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137 2. Many police organizations (not necessarily departments) don't support it.
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138 3. The way the law is written, MOST hunting ammo would be outlawed. (there
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139 are a lot of specialty pistols that will handle rifle ammo)
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140
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141 I don't have time to dig up references for all of the above. If
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142 anyone has DOCUMENTED evidence supporting OR countering the above, feel
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143 free. (I can't remember which organizations for #2, but I believe it was
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144 something like the FBI & the National Association of Police Chiefs)
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145 On the gun safety bit, you will have to teach EVERYONE because
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146 guns are a LOT more common than is generally realized. Remember, if it
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147 looks like a gun - treat it as real until proven otherwise. A gun is
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148 ALWAYS assumed to be loaded. Don't point a gun at anything you don't intend
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149 to KILL (wounding is MUCH more difficult!). There, did I miss any?
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150 _______________________________Leonard______________________________________
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151 && && &&
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152 How about this: every American citizen is required to complete a gun-
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153 safety course to qualify for full adult rights (i.e. voting, driving,
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154 drinking), after which they are REQUIRED to carry a functioning firearm
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155 (loaded[the gun, not the user]) whenever in a public place. I also
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156 propose that death from shooting could then be placed in the "natural
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157 causes" category, thereby freeing up our court dockets and helping
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158 reduce the overcrowding in our prisons. The lack of concern we show for
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159 the hideous rate of death on our highways indicates to me that if every-
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160 one carried a gun then people would accept shooting deaths as the price
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161 we pay for preserving our way of life.
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162 && && &&
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163 The Poet settled into his seat in the inn with a sigh. It was good to
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164 be back. He was just adding his comment to a discussion of weapons
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165 control, with his usual flair for the bizarre, when the Inn door opened
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166 and a robed man stepped inside. The Newcomer's face was hard to make out,
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167 but something about him seemed to upset the adventurer.
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168 "Excuse me," he told his companions, "Ifeel a sudden call of nature."
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169 With this, he all but flew into the Roman bath that served as the Inn's
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170 restroom.
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171 "Innkeeper, seven ales!"
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172 Every eye in the adventuring party turned to the newcomer. That voice...
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173 those words... this was the Poet! The Innkeeper was the first to shake
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174 off his confusion and speak.
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175 "I don't understand, are there two of you?"
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176 "Odd that you should ask. There is of course only one of me, but I do
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177 have a twin brother. I haven't seen him for years; the family disowned
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178 him for his criminal activities. Last I heard of him he was running an
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179 import-export business in a 47th-century reality, although rumor has it
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180 that he is involved in selling weapons to various unsavory groups."
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181 An explosion was heard form the restroom. The entire room rushed to
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182 investigate, and found that one of the marble walls of the bath had been
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183 removed, and the words "Gaius Was Here" burned into one of those that
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184 remained.
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185 "That's his handwriting, alright," said the Poet. "I hope none of you
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186 loaned him any money."
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187 && The Mad Actor &&
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188 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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189 Ian:
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190 Picked up the game. Sounds interesting, although I am a rank novice
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191 at RPG's. Do you have something to suggest?
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192 Wassir
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193 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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194 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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195 So now we discuss the issue of firearms control!! Well if we must, we must.
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196 Here's the way ever person in the good ole U.S. of A should look at it:
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197 1. The U.S. was founded with the lives and gun powder of many brave and
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198 desperate people. They had been paying up to a king across an ocean
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199 and were seeing none of the benefit. In writing the Constitution it
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200 was obvious to them that a people should have the right and ability
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201 to defend not only themselves, but also their country.
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202 2. The countries who have fallen before the mighty Russian bear have
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203 all been nations that, in part or whole, possesed not enough weapons
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204 to fight their way out of a street brawl. To wit: Poland, as just
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205 one example, did not have even the basic peice of pipe to as their
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206 defense. In essence, the big, bad bear just waltzed in and said
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207 Thanks!
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208 3. The only a rifle or hand weapon EVER kills some person is when it is
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209 accidently discharged in the direction of some unfortunate soul or
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210 it's trigger is squeezed by someone. The key here, as with all man
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211 made devices, is that it requires HUMAN input.
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212 4. To control these devices would be nigh on impossible because there
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213 are a number of people who not have several firearms in their house-
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214 hold a number of people who not only posses several firearms but also
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215 have the knowledge and ability to reload their own ammunition!!
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216 I
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217 have met some of these folk and they are, I assure you, neither the
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218 stereotyped bloodluster nor the paranoid. They are practical people.
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219
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220 The one suggestion that really rings true is the idea of education in the
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221 handling and use of firearms. Ignorance is no excuse! Neither is the idea
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222 of total abolishment. Rather, we must try and obtain both a degree of yhe
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223 [C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C
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224 control some people are determined to shove on the rest of us and the
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225 ability to go out and realise one of the basic rights as guarenteed by
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226 our Constitution.
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227 F. Fin
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228 ****************************************************************************
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229 BO I DIDN'T MEAN TO STEP ON YOUR TOES. I JUST THOUGHT YOU MIGHT BE
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230 INTERESTED. THIS PORTLAND SF SOCIETY SOUNDS GREAT! UNFORTUNATELY I
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231 MUST BE VIGILANT AND GUARD THE SKIES THAT WEEKEND. I WOULD TRULY
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232 LIKE TO GO TO THE FOLLOWING ONE AND WILL DO MU UTMOST TO BE THERE.
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233 OH! ALMOST FORGOT TO MENTION ALSO, THE NAME OF THE ALBUM IS MIRAGE.
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234 BUT UPON LISTENING TO THE LYRICS I MIGHT HAVE JUMPED TH "GUN".
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235 WHILE ON THE FIRST COUPLE SONGS IT SEEMED TO ME THAT THEY WERE SINGING
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236 OF ERIC(GOOD OLE ERIC) IT MAY BE THEY ARE,INACTUALITY, SINGING OF
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237 THE TRILOGY. LYRICS SUCH AS:
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238 "ONCE HE WENT AWAY, A MAN DRESSED IN GRAY NOW HE COME BACK
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239 WEARING WHITE" OR SOME SIMILAR VERSE. BIT BE THAT AS IT MAY...
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240 OOPS! I HEAR MY REALITY CALLING!! GOTTA GO FOR NOW.
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241 F. FIN
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242 """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
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243 {
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244 1001010
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245 1 : it was just a joke! how could they have taken me seriously?
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246 maybe "laser control" next.......... we know one proponent, don't we!
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247 "don't aim that thing over there! yieee! are you trying to get us arrested?"
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248 }
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249 THE SHOOTING OF FIREARMS IS A SPORT NOT ONLY AS AMERICAN AS APPLE PIE
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250 AND OLDSMOBILE, BUT IS ALSO AN INTERNATIONAL SPORT THAT REQUIRES
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251 PATIENCE AND CONCENTRATION, A COMMON GROUND WHERE ALL NATIONS CAN UNITE
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252 IN FRIENDLY COMPETITION. I FULLY BELIEVE IN GUN SAFETY AND AWARENESS,
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253 BUT ALSO BELIEVE THAT EXESSIVE LAWS AND RED TAPE COULD SERIOUSLY HURT
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254 OUR NATION. ALL YOU UN-GUN PEOPLE PLEASE TRY SHOOTING A TARGET
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255 (SILLOUTTE IS A VERY SATISFYING VERSION OF THE SPORT) AND SEE WHAT A
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256 CHALLENGE IT REALLY IS.
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257
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258 IAN M.
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259 (A PRO-GUN PERSON)
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260
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261 ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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262 I think that we are forgeting something here.if we arm everybody then the
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263 maniacs with less then there alloted amount of brain power would go and
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264 start killing.i.e.;
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265 "my dad is bigger"
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266 "no,MY dad is Bigger"
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267 "well my daddys gun is bigger"
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268 "well I have my daddys gun!"
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269 (blam,boom(sound of crying))
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270 and we have another front pager for the masses.
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271 this also applys to the high school crowd,i.e.;
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272 "you turned me in for selling drugs,duidn't you?"
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273 "no,no,I didn't please..."
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274 (blam,thunk(hystarical screems from onlookers))
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275 my law is;when a person can show that they are mentaly stable,they can carry
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276 a gun,persons in public schools should not have guns no matter what.I can
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277 think of many times in high school when a gun would have gotten me into prob
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278 lems,ie shooting people.
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282 Aaron:congratulating Tony? on "succeding where you failed" ?
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283 as you can probably guess,V&T called this morning...
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284 The Man in Gray
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285 ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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286 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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287 nay, nay.... in fact, congratulating Vichy! "it's the female's job to
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288 attract the male..." as I've heard her say too many times..... She seems
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289 to have perfected the technology....... Or Tony's has fewer smarts
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290 than I credit him with (equally plausible...........)
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291 Aaron
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292 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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293 OscarOscarOscarOscarOscarOscarOscarOscarOscarOscarOscarOscarOscarOscar
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294 As the light of the morning began to shine thru the tent walls, I
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295 stir and waken. Then strangly, I hear a puring sound, more of a low
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296 rumble then an actual purr. Hmmmm odd...
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297 What could that be? Then looking over my shoulder at the source of
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298 the sound, I see a very large cat.
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299 Nice kitty. I'm not going to hurt you. Nice kitty....
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300 I hope he isn't hungry.....
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301 OscarOscarOscarOscarOscarOscarOscarOscarOscarOscarOscarOscarOscarOscar
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302 ******************************************************
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303 Ahh yes, guns.. I am reminded of an article I read in the
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304 World Press Review on that very issue. It was written by a
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305 Frenchman who was saying how crazy we Americans were to be
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306 so lenient with allowing our citizens to have guns. Feeling
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307 that we should only allow authorized persons to carry arms.
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308 A nice thought, but it doesn't seem to make much difference
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309 in reality. It would stop some stupid killings since it would
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310 take the guns out of the hands of those who have no idea how
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311 to use them to begin with. But as far as the criminal types,
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312 it won't make any difference at all. Oh it might rise the
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313 price of the gun a bit, but not that much, and certainly not
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314 enough to make any difference to someone who wants a gun and
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315 knows how to get one. They will still be quite readily available
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316 even if they are outlawed altogether. A gun is just far to easy
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317 an item to make. And don't forget the enormous volume of guns
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318 that are already out there, even an attempt to recapture all of
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319 them would not get very far (assuming that sort of thing could
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320 even be done). They would simply be hidden away and since there
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321 is no records of them, who can say they exist to begin with?
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322 Want a look at an outlawed commodity that exists anyway because
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323 people want it? Take a look at the underground drug industry.
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324 It's a billion dollar business, and it certainly isn't rolling
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325 over and playing dead just because it is illegal. And it isn't
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326 just criminals involved, it is everyday normal people that
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327 support that industry.
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328 Probalbly an even closer association would be the prohibition
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329 era, as it more closly matches the feelings involved with the gun
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330 issue. It hardly made any difference there, it just sent it
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331 underground and made problems even worse. At least when it is
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332 above ground, you can control it if you work at it.
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333 In listening to various people talk about their activities and
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334 stories about guns, I have found that there are 3 basic reasons
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335 for having a gun, 1. to kill someone 2. for sport 3. for defense
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336 of those, there isn't a whole lot you can do about number one,
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337 number 2 is not a problem. It is number 3 that seems to cause the
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338 big noise that the media likes to write about. Typically the
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339 person has had no training in the use of a gun at all, and have
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340 no idea what they are doing. Killings by these people either
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341 occur as a fit of passion, or out of pure stupidity. Such as
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342 killing or wounding oneself or another while cleaning or
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343 otherwise handling a gun. Another circumstance that really has
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344 no need is using the gun to kill or wound someone who is
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345 encroaching upon your teritory. First, often the gun wasn't
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346 needed in the first place, next simply bradishing the gun and
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347 letting the offending person know of its existance will usually
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348 do the trick, and finally firing a warning shot will usually do
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349 the trick if all else fails. But to go for the kill right off is
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350 a bit stupid. As far as laws, there are so many now that aren't
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351 being enforced, I doubt that any more would have any real impact.
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352 But back to the French person, his feelings are far from
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353 abnormal, many people in France and in other europeon countries
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354 feel that way. Yet France sees nothing wrong with selling nuclear
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355 plants to counties knowing full well that they will be used to
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356 make plutonium and other materials for war weapons.
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357 So really, when we get down to it it is really simply a matter of
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358 perspective and what you personally feel is important, but don't
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359 expect everyone else to feel te same way.
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360 As for myself, yes i have been trained in how to handle a gun,
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361 being in the service, you don't get much choice. On a good day I
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362 can hit the broad side of a barn if I'm lucky. I do feel that a
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363 person must be able to prove his ability to handle a gun before
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364 being allowed to own one. I myself get no enjoyment from shooting
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365 a gun. In conclusion, no I don't care for guns, but neither do I
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366 see anything being helped by outlawing them. I would rather see
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367 the effort being spent on getting drunk drivers off the road, it
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368 is a far far greater killer of inocent people then guns. And it
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369 is condoned far more then guns are. st take a look at the number
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370 of court cases involved by those getting off easily for killing
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371 someone with a car compared to killing someone with a gun.
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372 Killing with a car is always more lenient, yet the person is just
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373 as dead. Enough already!
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374 *************** CISTOP MIKEY ***********************************
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375 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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376 How sad but true the above statement is. No matter how the person was
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377 killed, that's one less soul to keep us company, and the world is
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378 already too lonely of a place.
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379 Personally, I have had no training in the use of firearms, but if
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380 I were to want to use one, I would not pick it up without having some
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381 kind of formal training. At this time I would not want it so I don't get
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382 it.
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383 As far as use in sports, although I do not participate in any
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384 sports (outside pinball and occasional vollyball), I feel one sport
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385 I could enjoy if I had the time would be the biathalon (combination of
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386 cross-country skiing and rifle marksmanship).
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387 I guess it all comes down to one statement, guns don't kill people,
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388 PEOPLE do.
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389 Bo
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390 (a non-gun person despite the state of the world)
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391 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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392 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
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393 AND YOU PEOPLE WERE ALL BLAMING ME FOR THE PROBLEMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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394
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395 Thank you to the poet for clearing my good(?) name.
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396 Fast Fred
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397 BSAL (ret.)
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398 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
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399 Poet: Do you think your brother could have the missing sliver to the
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400 Phoenix Egg?
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401 The Ninja
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402 !"#!"$#"$#"%#$&$%'&%(&')(&%'%$&'"%!#"$!#"%$#&%$'%&(&')%'(#'#$%'#"&%#"$&#
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403 CISTOP! The LNW in question can either run at 1.7, 4.0, or 5.3 mhz.
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404 Just fixed the backspace. I had been talking to a Honeywell(the bad taste!)
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405 just a sec...there...all set now...Thanks for the info, someone will call
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406 US Digital in the near future...
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407 REGARDING THE GUN CONTROL ISSUE: I personally have mixed feelings about the
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408 whole thing. I had formal training in firearms a few years ago, and own
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409 7 guns. But I don't really care to hunt, at least not any more, when a large
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410 number of your fellow hunters are beer guzzling poachers who would gladly
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411 put a 30 ought 6 into anything that moved, be it 4 point buck or human
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412 wearing proper orange attire. I really enjoy target practice, and harmless
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413 plinking with a .22. I don't keep ammunition around the house, and buy it
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414 only when I am going out to shoot. I also have good friends, like retired
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415 police officers and the like, who are also quite knowledgable about guns,
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416 and keep loaded guns in the house, and they are some of the most rational
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417 reasonable people I know. Our basic right to keep arms is one of our most
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418 important basic rights:it was important when it was written, and it is
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419 important today. I am not so sure the fact that people are armed is going to
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420 keep a foreign power from 'invading', hand guns do very little against
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421 Mig 25's and tacticle nuclear weapons, but I might make that other nation
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422 think twice before sending troops into a country like the troops that were
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423 sent into afganistan. I guess my basic belief, like many others on the
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424 system, is that we should spend more time doing something about things
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425 like hunger(so Ed Meese), education, and death on the roads, which by
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426 the way has killed far more people than all the wars the US has been involve
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427 d in have caused.
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428 I on the other hand must agree with Aaron. Rampant use of lasers, no matter
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429 how 'small', must be nipped in the bud. There is no telling when the first
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430 big incident of someone being killed while cleaning their ruby or something
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431 is going to be the front page story. Why some unsuspecting sole walking
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432 down the street may be a victim, and not even know what hit'im!
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433 T$#"$"%#$&%#$&$%&#$%"#! L'homme sans parity !"#!"#"$#%$'&%$'('(#!$!#$"$!
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434
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435 ______________________________________________________________________
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436 Pheric......I was just curious about your interest in BOC. It is not common
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437 to find another person in our little electronic world who even has heard of
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438 them!
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439 Sam Peckinpah
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440 Two Tandy Towers
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441 Fort Worth Tex.
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442 ___________________________________________________________________________
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443
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444 A thought occurs to me (Yes! Really!). Pam has mentioned a couple of
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445 times recently on Bit Bucket that she's going to get back on BW any
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446 day now. Now consider-how many stories have been on here with the
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447 search for Pam as a primary or secondary objective? The infamous Pm
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448 has been built up to the point where, if I was her, I wouldn't want to
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449 make an appearance here because the only possible responce is
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450 anticlimactic. (well, I suppose it's possible that she Could live
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451 up to her reputation, but then why isn't she nationally syndicated?)
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452 Don't get me wrong. I'm not putting her down. I'm just saying that
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453 if I had a build-up like that, I'd be a bit apprehensive about meeting
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454 expectations.
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455 Just a thought.
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456 :::::::::::::::::::::::O O::::::voyeur::::::::::O O:::::::::::::::::
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457 && && &&
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458 Be careful, people! My brother is clever, & a master of disguise.
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459 Accept no substitutes! He may even try to pass himself off as PAM!
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460 && The Mad Actor &&
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461 ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
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462 Aaron -- sorry about that, I just wanted to take the other side! Would you
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463 like some support for your position? (I REALLY didn't think that BWMS was a
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464 hotbed of closet gun supporters.) Let me just step away from the screen and
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465 lock something up. (various ,mmetallic clincs, sounds of objects being moved,
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466 scrape of a key in a lock) There, let's see what can be said in defense of
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467 your position.
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468 1) Firearms are inherently dangerous. They are, first and foremost WEAPONS
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469 designed to propell a projectile into and kill something. If killing is
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470 morally wrong, owning the means of killing is morally wrong. Handguns are
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471 designed to kill PEOPLE. If killing people is wrong, then owning a means to do
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472 so must also be wrong.
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473 2) Firearms are dangerous to handle. Many untrained and ignorant people
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474 are damaged or wounded each year through carelessness or outright stupidity.
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475 It's much like child-proofing a house. Take all the dangerous breakables away
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476 and they can't do as much damage to themselves and those around them.
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477 3) America is a culture of violence. With the means at hand of carrying out
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478 violent action, the temptation can often become overwhelming. Studies have
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479 shown that persons who watch violence on TV or movies are subsequently MUCH
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480 more prone to violent behaviour. If a person watches more than 1 hour of TV
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481 a week, or 1 movie within three weeks, his or her responses are tainted with
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482 violence and their judgement is suspect. Indeed, much of American society
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483 could be called insane, if the majority did not share the same non-sane
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484 set of reactions. It seems only natural to remove firearms from the eassy reach
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485 of non-sane persons. (I wish it were just as easy to get the bombs out of the
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486 hands of the boys in the pentagon whose hobby is mass murder.)
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487
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488 With a smile, the piper set the pipes upon his shoulder and began to play a
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489 reel, "The Merry Harriers."
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490 ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
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491 ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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492 PIPER: THIS SOCIETY SOUNDS LIKE IT COULD BE INTERESTING. DOES THE L OR 5
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493 STAND FOR SOMETHING IN PARTICULAR?
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494 MIKEY: PERHAPS I TOOK YOU FOR SOMEONE ELSE.....BUT I THOUGHT YOU HAD
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495 BRIEFLY CRITICIZED A RACIAL BLURB ON AN EARLIER DISK, AND I WAS JUST A-
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496 GREEING WITH YOU OR WHOEVER. BY THE WAY, HOW ARE THE BUSHES IN YOUR
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497 AREA FARING AS OF LATE?
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498
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499 ON THE GUN THING........I CAN SEE WHERE GUNS COULD BE OKAY, IN SOME AREAS
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500 ESPECIALLY WHERE PEOPLE MUST DEPEND ON THEM FOR FOOD. MANY PEOPLE USE THIS
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501 EXCUSE THO FOR A ROMP IN THE WOODS, ACCOMPANIED BY THEIR BEST FRIENDS,
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502 AND A KEG OR TWO OF SUDS, AND IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE SOMEONE
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503 STOPS BREATHING. UNFORTUNATELY IT'S USUALLY AN INNOCENT PERSON, OR ONE
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504 OF THE ABOVE MENTIONED PERSONS CHILD, THAT CAME ALONG FOR THE RIDE. THEY
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505 WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER OFF TO GO BUY A SIDE OF BEEF. WHICH WOULD HAVE
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506 BEEN CHEAPER THAN A CAMPING TRIP AND TAGS, ANYWAY.
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507 I HAVE ALWAYS LIVED IN RURAL COMMUNITIES, UNTIL JUST RECENTLY AND HAVE
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508 SEEN MANY UNFORTUNATE ACCIDENTS, AS THE ABOVE MENTIONED, SO I PERSONALLY
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509 DON'T OWN A GUN. IN FACT, I WON'T ALLOW ONE IN MY HOUSE, SINCE I DON'T
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510 WANT TO EVER BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYONES DEMISE. AS FOR PROTECTION, IT HAS
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511 ALREADY BEEN ACKNOWLEDGED THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT TRAINED OR QUALIFIED ON THE
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512 WHOLE TO HANDLE GUNS, BUT THIS IS PROBABLY NOT TRUE IN THE CASE OF CRIM-
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513 INALS. IF YOU BRANDISH A GUN AT A TRAINED SHOOTER THAT'S BREAKING AND
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514 ENTERING OR WHAT HAVE YOU, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A CHANCE. AND BESIDES THE
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515 LAWS ARE ON THEIR SIDE. IF THEY STAGGER BACK AND FALL OUTSIDE THE DOOR,
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516 OR EVEN ONTO THE THRESHOLD, CHANCES ARE YOU'LL GO TO PRISON.
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517 BESIDES PEOPLE IN OUR SOCIETY ARE SO JADED TO VIOLENCE, ESPECIALLY YOUTHS,
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518 THAT A LITTLE KILLING ONCE IN A WHILE IS STIMULATING. WE'VE ALL READ THE
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519 STATISTICS ON HOW MANY MURDERS, ETC. CHILDREN HAVE SEEN ON T.V AND MOVIES
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520 BY THE TIME THEIR X AMOUNT OF YEARS OLD. SO GUNS ARE VIEWED BY SOME AS
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521 A WAY TO SOLVE PROBLEMS. LIKE THE KID WHO SHOT HIS BABY BROTHER OVER A
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522 STUFFED TOY. THE PARENTS FAULT YOU SAY? EXCEPT THAT THE KID GOT THE GUN
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523 FROM THE NEIGHBORS HOUSE, WHEN THEY WERE GONE AND LEFT THE BACK DOOR
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524 UNLOCKED. OR THE TEENAGE GIRL DEVASTED BY A FAMILY DIVORCE AND THEN
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525 GILTED BY HER BOYFRIEND, COMMITS SUICIDE. SORRY, I DON'T MEAN TO GET
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526 OVERLY DRAMAITIC, BUT THE POINT IS THESE TYPES ARE REPEATED OVER AND
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527 OVER AGAIN, DAY AFTER DAY. AND YOU STILL SEE PEOPLE CRYING OUT I HAVE
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528 MY RIGHTS!
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529 I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS ANY REAL SOLUTION AT THIS POINT IN HISTORY
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530 TO SOLVE THESE THINGS. PEOPLE ARE SO CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR OWN RIGHTS
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531 THAT THEY CARE LITTLE ABOUT THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS. ESPECIALLY THE VICTIMS
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532 THAT ARE ALREADY DEAD OR MAIMED. I DON'T FEEL LAWS AGAINST GUNS WOULD
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533 WORK, WE'VE ALL SEE THE BUMPER STICKERS.........WHEN GUNS ARE OUTLAWED
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534 ONLY OUTLAWS WILL HAVE GUNS.....AND........THEY'LL GET MY GUN WHEN THEY
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535 PRY IT FROM MY COLD DEAD FINGERS. I AGREE WITH THE STATEMENT IT SHOULD
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536 BE REQUIRED TRAINING IN SCHOOLS, ALONG WITH FIRSTAID TREATMENT. THIS
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537 WOULD DIMINISH SOME PROBLEMS.
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538 I'LL NEVER FORGET THE MOVIES AND SUCH THEY SHOWED WHEN I WAS 14 AND IN
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539 DRIVERS ED. THE STATE I LIVED IN REQUIRED 8 HOUSR OF FILMS, AND I SWEAR
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540 THEY PICKED THE GORIEST ONES I'VE EVER SEEN. SURE I PASSED, BUT I DIDN'T
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541 DRIVE FOR A WHILE AFTERWARDS. TEENAGERS HAVE A REPUTATION FOR WILD AND
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542 CRAZY DRIVING, AND AS I REMEMBER, I DID MY SHARE, BUT THOSE FILMS WERE
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543 IN THE BACK OF MY MIND, AND I OUT GREW THE FLIRTIN WITH DISASTER ATTI-
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544 TUDE. THE SAME WOULD BE A DETERENT FOR GUNS, TO SOME DEGREE AT LEAST.
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545 MY CHILDREN WILL BE TRAINED ANYWAY, AT A GALLERY, OR SHOOTING RANGE,
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546 NOT IN THE WOODS, OR STREETS.
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547 ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!DEBORAH?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!
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548 *******************************************************************:
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549 DEBORAH: YES, IT WAS SOMEONE ELSE THAT MADE THAT PREVIOUS RESPONSE.
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550 (POINT OF NOTE, I ALWAYS SIGN MY NAME TO ANY OF MY ENTRIES.)
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551 AS FOR SOME OF THE KILLINGS AS A RESULT OF GUNS BECAUSE OF VARIOUS
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552 PASIONS, MAYBE WE SHOULD GET RID OF POISON AND KNIVES AND RAZORS TOO?
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553 THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE GUN IS JUST ANOTHER TOOL THT CAN BE USED
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554 FOR KILLING, THERE ARE MANY MORE OUT THERE THAT CAN BE READILY USED
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555 AS A SUBSTITUTE. AS I SAID BEFORE, I DON'T CARE ABOUT GUNS AT ALL,
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556 BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT THEY ARE NOT IN THEMSELVES THE PROBLEM, JUST AS
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557 A CAR DRIVEN BY A DRUNK DRIVER IS NOT THE PROBLEM. MAYBE WE SHOULD
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558 GET RID OF ALL THE CARS TO STOP THAT KILLING?
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559 AS FOR THE BRANDISHING OF THE GUN, FIRST, MOST PROFESSIONAL THIEVES DON'T
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560 CARRY GUNS. THEY KNOW FULL WELL THAT IT IS THE QUICKEST WAY TO GET YOURSELF
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561 KILLED. SECOND, I DON'T MEAN TO SAY THAT YOU SHOULD STAND OUT IN THE OPEN
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562 AND SAY AHH GEE, I THINK YOU OUGHT TO RECONSIDER WHAT YOUR DOING, I DO
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563 HAVE A GUN HERE, SEE..?
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564 ALL OF THIS REQUIRES THAT YOU PRESENT A FORCFUL ATTITUDE, AND ARE WILLING
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565 TO USE IT AS NECASSARY (THIS DOESN'T MEAN KILLING). I WAS RESPONDING THE
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566 PROPER USE OF A GUN AS A DEFENSE MECHANISM. FIRST YOU WARN OF ITS EXISTANCE.
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567 THIS CAN BE DONE BY SIMPLY YELLING FREEZE, OR OTHER ATTENTION GETTING.
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568 FROM OR NEAR COVER. DON'T WORRY, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO STICK AROUND AND
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569 SHOOT IT OUT, THEY DON'T WANT TO GET KILLED ANY MRE THEN YOU DO. ONE
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570 THING ABOUT THIS THOUGH, IF THEY HAVE A GUN IN THEIR HAND ALREADY, DON'T
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571 POINT A GUN AT THEM, OR EVEN BRANDISH IT, JUST RUN. IF THEY DON'T HAVE A
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572 GUN IN THEIR HAND, GENERALY THEY WON'T GO FOR IT, AS THEY KNOW FULL WELL
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573 THAT YOU COULD EASILY SHOOT THEM BEFORE THEY COULD EVEN GET IT OUT.
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574 MIND YOU I DON'T CONDON ANY OF THIS, BUT IT IS INFORMATION THAT YOU
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575 SHOULD KNOW AS AN ASPECT OF HAVING TO LIVE IN THIS WORLD AND WHAT TO
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576 EXPECT. AS A PERSON ABOVE INDICATED, I TO AM OFTEN VERY SURPRIZED AT THE
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577 GREAT STUPIDITY SOMETIMES SHOWN BY PEOPLE WHO SHOULD KNOW BETTER.
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578 P.S. PLEASE DON'T TAKE ANY OF THIS PERSONALLY, I AM JUST ARGUING ONE
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579 POINT OF THE VIEW. AS I SAY, I MYSELF AM NOT AT ALL FOND OF GUNS.
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580 LEONARD: I AGREE VERY MUCH, I TOO WISH THERE WAS SOMEWAY TO GET
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581 THOSE WEAPONS OUT OF THE HANDS OF THE MASS MURDERERS WHO PASS THEMSELVES
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582 OFF AS SOLDIERS.
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583 ******************************* CISTOP MIKEY *****************************:
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584 PAM: What subject would you like to discuss?
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585 -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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586 The collected thoughts of strange degenerates is available here it seems
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587 a street was named after me in Portland.
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588 ===================================================================
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589 MIKEY: I THINK YOU'VE BEEN WATCHING TOO MUCH TELEVISION. MAX
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590 ===================================================================
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591 OH WELL, I GUESS I SHOULD QUIT TAKING THE EXTREEM VIEW POINT.
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592 IT SEEMS THAT DESPITE MY DISCLAIMERS THAT I PLOP THROUGHOUT
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593 PEOPLE ARE STILL PERSONALY ATACKING ME FOR VIEWS THAT I DON'T
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594 NECASARILY HOLD. BUT THEN THAT IS HARDLY ANYTHING NEW, I DO GET
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595 TIRED OF PEOPLE ONLY READING THAT WHICH THEY WANT TO SEE AND
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596 IGNORING THAT WHICH THEY DON'T. SIGH.....
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597 ******************** CISTOP MIKEY **************************
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598 BUT, IT SEEMS THAT THE GUN ISSUE DID TURNOUT TO BE A VERY EMOTIONAL
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599 ISSUE, FAR MORE SO THEN I EXPECTED. THUS THE LACK OF PERSPECTIVE.
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600 ************************************************************
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601 WELL, WHO EVER IT IS THEY DON'T SEEM TO KNOW ABOUT DRIVE B. SEEMS
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602 THOUGH THAT SINCE THEY COULDN'T ERASE EVERYTHING, NOW THEY DECIDED
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603 TO WRITE GRAFFITI ON WHAT IS THERE. THAT'S ALRIGHT, I HAVE OUTLIVED
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604 THIS SORT OF THING BEFOR. IF THEY KEEP IT UP THOUGH, I THINK I MAY
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605 SEE IF I CAN GET THE PHONE COMPANY TO PUT A TRACE ON IT AND SEND
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606 THEM A NICE LITTLE NOTE TO SCARE THE PANTS OFF THEM.
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607 **************** CISTOP MIKEY **********************************
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