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1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask....
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2 ****************** REMOVED 20 FEB 84 ***********************
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3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator
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4 ************************************************************
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5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION
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6 PLACED ON THIS SYSTEM.
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7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privatly owned
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8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public.
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9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. As the system is
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10 privatly owned, I retain the right to remove any and all messages which
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11 I may find offensive. Because of the limited size of the system, it will be
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12 periodically purged of messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved)
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13 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out of the
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14 ENTER mode. The message is automatically stored. If after entering the
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15 message you find you made a mistake, use the replace command to replace
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16 the line. To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up.
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17 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system.
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18 ************************************************************
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19
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20 {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ + - / * }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
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21 ... To paraphrase one of the great heros of moderm mathematical
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22 thought, Sir Arthur Stanley Eddington:
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23
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25 After investigating it's nature at length we have discovered,
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26 Lo, it is our own!
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27
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28 {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ The Mesolithic Mathematician }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
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29
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30 Evan: From your comments, you seem to be more of an agnostic than an
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31 atheist. An atheist is SURE that there is no God. An agnostic is waiting for
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32 all the evidence to come in.
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33 ___________________________________Leonard______________________________________
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34 Ninja: The Shire of Dragon's Mist covers all of Washington County. The
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35 Seneschal is Garth of Tryon Hill, mka Gary F. Smith,
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36 Hillsboro, OR 97123, 640-xxxx (beware of the answering machine) or
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37 297-xxxx (work)
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38 ................................................................................
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39 The apprentice heaved a sigh of relief as he sat at the table. Once
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40 again, he had managed to avoid the "unpleasantness" of the fourteenth of
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41 February.
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42 Many had asked him why he avoided it so. But he could not explain without
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43 defeating his purpose. How you YOU like to be a male whose birthday fell on
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44 such a day?
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45 .........................the apprentice.........................................
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46 WANTED-ATARI 410 OR 1010 PROGRAM
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47 RECORDER, USED BUT IN GOOD WORKING
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48 DER. CALL 231-xxxx
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49 ============================================================================
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50
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51 LEONARD: YOU MAY BE RIGHT, THOUGH AT THE MOMENT I DO CLASS MORE AS AN
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52 ATHIEST (DEFINITIONS OF SUCH WORDS DO TEND TO GET A LITTLE FUZZY SOMETIMES)
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53 ITS THE VALUE SYSTEM OF CHISTIANITY TTHAT TENDS TO BE THE ONLY REDEEMING
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54 PART OF IT, THOUGH THERE ARE A COUPLE COMMANDMENTS THAT I WOULD QUESTION.
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55
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56 NANCY: ARE YOU REALLYM IN THE SITUATION YOU DESCRIBED, OR SOMEONE LOOKING
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57 TO SEED A CONTROVERSIAL DISCUSSION?
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58
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59 NO DISRESPECT INTENDED
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60 EVAN
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61
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62 ==========================================================================
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63 SELLING:40 COL THERM PRINTER NEVER USED.
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64 BRAND NAME: ALPHA COM SPRINTER 40.
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65 CALL 659-xxxx 6-8 ASK FOR MARK.
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66 ~
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67 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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68 The inn seems to be quiet. Not much is going on. Sigh.
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69 The Ninja
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70 --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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71 Another round, perhaps?
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72 Maybe then things will pick up
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73 Mr. Tim
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74
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75
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76 """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
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77 Did everyone pass away? This system
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78 is losing it quick!
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79 Maybe we all just need somefresh meat to sink our teeth into.
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80
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81
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82 Let's talk about religion in schools.
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83 Any comments?
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84
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85
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86 FOTI
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87 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
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88 && IDICIDICIDICIDICIDIC &&
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89 I'd rather talk about religion here. I've spent too many years in school
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90 already.
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91 You need something interesting to talk about? How about this:
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92 Two thousand years ago a dead man got up and lived again. And he said that
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93 WE CAN DO IT TOO!
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94 (I'm not a preacher, just trying to get the juices flowing again before
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95 this BBS has to be raised from the dead.)
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96 && The Mad Actor &&
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97 ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
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98 The piper sat forward in his seat listening to the desultory conversations
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99 going on around him. Why not?
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100
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101 Hey now, all you Christians and Athiests (and any other religions that
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102 would like to mix it up) -- the Christians asked a good question:
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103 "What if the story of Christ is true?"
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104 --and for you Christians:
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105 "What if it is a hoax?"
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106
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107 AND -- for other religious viewpoints (conspicious by their absence -- we
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108 seem really to have Christians+ and Christians- ) what about your fundamental
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109 belief -- what if it is wrong?
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110
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111 The piper drank another glass of ale, not expecting much to come of the comment
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112 he had put out. He turned to the bard.
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113 "I hope you will forgive my poor attempt at rhyme, it is not my own but was
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114 was probably written in the early 1600's by a poet named Robert Herrick. A
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115 young lady seems to be seeking moral support for her sexual activities. I
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116 cannot, of course, condone such -- but she may derive comfort from this verse.
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117
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118 TO THE VIRGINS TO MAKE MUCH OF TIME
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119
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120 Gather ye rosebuds while ye may;
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121 Old Time is still a-flying;
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122 And this same flower that smiles today
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123 Tomorrow will be dying.
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124
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125 The glorious lamp of heaven, the sun,
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126 The higher he's a-getting,
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127 The sooner will his race be run,
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128 And nearer he's to setting.
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129
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130 The age is best which is the first,
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131 When youth and blood are warmer;
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132 But being spent, the worse and worst
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133 Times still succeed the former.
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134
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135 Then be not coy, but use your time,
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136 And while ye may, go marry;
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137 For having lost but once your prime,
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138 You may forever tarry.
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139
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140 Feeling very old for his age, the piper sat down and reached an unsteady hand
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141 for another mug of ale.
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142 pppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
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143 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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144 Piper: Good point on the above, I tend to look at it like this: if
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145 I'm wrong, I'm just wasting my time, but that mean in the long run
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146 it dosent matter anyway. If I'm right, I know I'm ready for whatever may
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147 occur. What if the ones on the other side are wrong?
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148 Bo
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149 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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150 Piper: An interesting question, I at one time agreed with Bo. "If I'm wrong
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151 all I've wasted is time, if I'm right then I've saved my 'immortal soul'".
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152 Unfortunately, about that time they started discussing a related point in
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153 religion class (I was attending a parochial school). It seems that (according to
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154 Catholic doctrines derived, I believe, from Thomas Aquinas) that belief must be
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155 'sincere'. In other words, you must 'do the right thing' because it is right -
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156 not because you are afraid of what will happen if you don't.
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157 Now this does seem fairly logical and reasonable, but some of the
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158 implications bothered me. (they still do!) How can I be SURE that I am
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159 (for example) following the commandments because they are the word of God.
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160 Maybe at the back of my mind I'm just scared of going to hell. If so, well
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161 too bad! Go directly to hell, do not pass heaven, do not gain eternal salvation.
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162 It was about this time I started having my doubts about organized religion.....
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163 ____________________________________Leonard_____________________________________
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164
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165 {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ 0! < 1 }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
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166
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167 ... hummm mummerred the mathematician twiddling his digits as
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168 he turned to face toward the speaker. So no one feels they
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169 are interested in 'intellectual property'! So much for that.
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170 If it's religion the patrons are obsessed with perhaps a
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171 story I picked up at one of the conventions on the functions
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172 of a complex variable would be worth the telling...
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173
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174 It seems that Begin was visiting the white house. He noticed
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175 that the president had three phones on his desk, a red phone
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176 a white phone and a blue phone.
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177
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178 "What are the three phones for?", Begin asked.
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179
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180 "The RED phone is so I can keep in constant touch with Moscow,
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181 in case a world crisis arises and we need to communicate quickly.
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182 The BLUE phone is so I can talk to the secretary of state on a
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183 moments notice, for the same reasons.
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184 The WHITE phone is a line to heaven."
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185
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186 "Would you mind if I used the white phone myself?", Begin asked.
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187 The president indicated that it was o.k. so he picked up the
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188 phone and talked for a few minutes. After he finished he said,
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189 "I'd like to pay you for the charges. How much are they?"
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190
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191 The president looked at a meter on the phone and said, "$9883.00".
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192
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193 Well Begin paid and left. To make a long story short he was for
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194 some reason visiting the Vatican a few months later and noticed
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195 That the Pope had red and white and blue phones. On inquiring
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196 he discovered the white one was a line to heaven and he obtained
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197 permission to use it. Afterward he inquired as to the cost.
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198
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199 The Pope said, "twenty five cents."
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200
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201 "Why that's incredible!", remarked Begin, "I used the one in the
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202 white house for less than a tenth of the time and it was nearly
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203 nine thousand dollars. Why such a difference?"
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204
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205 "It's a local call from here.", answered the Pope.
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206
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207 {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ The Mesolithic Mathematician }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
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208 (who I think is a jerk!)
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209 ************************************************************
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210
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211 General Macaibo:
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212
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213 Sorry it took me so long to get back to you about your moon
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214 base but I got off on a tangent.
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215
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216 You said you were planning to raise $50-100 million from a
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217 computer company you were starting to finance the mining
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218 project. I was wondering why, if you had the business acumen
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219 to accumulate so much money, are you switching to a non-profit
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220 corporation for the mining station?
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221
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222 And why are you giving away the ore that you are mining?
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223 Wouldn't it be better to run the thing for a profit?
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224
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225 Another thing I don't understand is why you're using
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226 volunteers. For something this important wouldn't it be
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227 better to pay for the best? You need top quality technical
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228 help and I doubt you'll get if for free.
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229
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230 I noticed you appear to be focusing your attention on the
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231 technical aspects of the project. Are you overlooking the
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232 human factors?
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233
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234 What kind of people will you use. What qualifications must
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235 they have? What qualities do you want in your top managers?
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236 In your workers? How will you get good people if you don't
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237 plan to pay them? What will be their motivation?
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238
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239 Other than your $100 million start up money how are you going
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240 to finance the venture? Who will contribute and what will
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241 they expect in return? If you go for corporate or government
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242 financing how are you going to control the power brokers?
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243
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244 I imagine you've probably already thought all this stuff
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245 through but I'm not certain that I see how your going to
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246 pull it off. It occurs to me that there are some significant
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247 obsticles you haven't addressed yet. I'll be interested in
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248 hearing how you intend to overcome them.
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249
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250 Gary
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251
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252 ************************************************************:
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253
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254 NOW IS THE TIME FOR ALL GOOD PEOPLE TO COME TO TEH AID OF THEIR NATION
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255 AND THE PRINCIPLES
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256 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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257
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258
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259
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260 THIS IS GOD! I FORBID THE USE OF THIS
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261 SYSTEM FOR RELIGOUS DISCUSSION!!!!!
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262 YOU PATRONS THAT PERSIST WILL BE DAMNED!!!!
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263
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264
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265
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266 THIS IS THE LORD SAYING later!
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267 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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268 ==========================================================
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269 The Lord sure wastes alot of lines considering how little
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270 He has to say.
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271 ==========================================================
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272 =====================================================================
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273 MATHEMATICIAN:
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274 LIKE YOUR STORY. WHY DO YOU CALL YOURSELF THE MESOLITHIC MATHEMTICIAN?
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275 EVAN
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276 =====================================================================
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277 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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278
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279
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280
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281 THIS IS THE LORD ONCE AGAIN!!
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282
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283 NEVER CRITICISE ME, WHO EVER SHALL SPEAK
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284 SHALL HAGVE GOOD TO SAY
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285 OR SAY NOTHING AT ALL!!!!!
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286
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287
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288 THE LORD SAYING>>>>>>
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289 later
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290 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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291 Dear God:
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292 You look much smaller in person.
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293 You type lousy, too (no disrespect intended, but have you ever considered
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294 lessons).
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295 && The Mad Actor &&
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296 P.S. to The MesoMath:
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297 Why do you clear my screen before & after your messages? If I didn't read
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298 fast, I'd never see your name!
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299 && TMA &&
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300 Oooohhhmmmmm.... Hey Lord!
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301 HEY LEONARD! JUST HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO USE THIS PROGRAM YOU SENT ME VIA
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302 GARY. sHOULD I PUT IT IN AN EXECUTIVE.BATCH FILE. GIVE ME A CALL SUNDAY
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303 AND LETS SEE HOW WELL OUR COMPUTERS TALK TO EACH OTHER.
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304
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305 STEVE
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306 **************************************************************************
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307 OOPS GOT TO GO BENNY HILL JUST CAME ON. S. S.
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308 ()()()()()()())))))))))))))((((((((((((()))))))))))))))(((((((((((()))))))
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309 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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310
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311
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312 THE LORD HAS NO TIME TO TAKE TYPING LESSONS!
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313 BETWEEN LISTENING TO ALL OF THE PRAYERS
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314 AND 'GOD DAMN IT'S' (YES, I HEAR IT WHEN SOME ONE SAYS THAT!)
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315 I HAVE JUST ENOUGH TIME TO PLAY GOLF WITH
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316 MY SON JESUS.
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317 TAKE UP A DISCUSSION ON THIS BOARD ON
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318 SOMETHING I CAN GET INTO LIKE DEVIL WORSHIPING.
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319
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320 I REALLY DETEST THE LOW LIFE SCUM THAT
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321 BELIEVE OLD LUCIFER.
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322
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323 I CAN STILL REMEMBER THE TIME HE STUCK A
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324 SNAKE DOWN MY SHORTS.
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325
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326 OWWWW!
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327
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328
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329 THE ALMIGHTY LORD SAYING: later
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330
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331 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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332 && && &&
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333 One last thought before I sink into my fitful sleep:
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334 Has it occured to anyone that the reason we can have such rational
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335 discussions on such emotional topics is that no one gets interrupted
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336 until they've spoken their piece? This sort of forum is what the Rules
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337 of Order were developed for, yet only in the electronically enforced
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338 environment of a BBS does it really work. I don't think computer
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339 conferencing, with many parties involved & the floor going to the fastest
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340 typist is anywhere near as good as what we've got here, & I'd like to take
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341 this chance to thank Sysop Mikey for providing us with this wonderful
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342 sandbox to play in.
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343 ThankYouThankYouThankYou,
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344 && The Mad Actor &&
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345 HELLO MIKE -- INTERESTING SYSTEM YOU HAVE HERE. JUST PASSING THRU. THE
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346 ANONYMOUS WEASEL..
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347 pppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
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348
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349 THE PIBROCH O' DONUIL DUBH
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350
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351 Pibrockh o' Donuil Dubh, Pibroch o' Donuil
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352 Wake thy wild voice anew, summon Clan Conuil
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353 Come away, come away, hark to the summons!
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354 Come in your war array, Gentles and Commons!
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355 Come from deep glen, and from mountain so rocky,
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356 The war pipe and pennon are at Inverlochy;
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357 Come every hill plaid and strong heart that wears one,
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358 Come every steel blade and strong hand that bears one!
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359 Leave untended the herd, the flock without shelter;
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360 Leave the corpse uninterr'd, the bride at the altar;
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361 Leave the deer, leave the steer, leave nets and barges,
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362 Come with your fighting gear, broadswords and targes!
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363 Come as the winds come when forests are rended;
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364 Come as the waves come when navies are stranded;
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365 Faster come, faster come, faster and faster;
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366 Chief vassal, page and groom, tenant and master!
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367 Fast they come, fast they come, see how they gather!
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368 Wide waves the eagle plume, blended with heather.
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369 Cast your plaids, draw your blades, forward each man set!
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370 Pibroch o' Donuil Dubh, knell for the onset!
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371
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372 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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373 The piper quickly lifted his arm and the pervasive drone disappeared almost
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374 with an audible click. He turned to the patrons who seemed most interested
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375 in discussing religious matters and asked:
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376 "Are there no other options? Leonard -- and anyone else -- why do people in
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377 our culture persist in binary religious thinking? From the arguments that
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378 have raged on this system in times past, one would think that either
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379 Christianity is literally true, with the bible being totally without any error,
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380 and totally unquestionable,
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381 or nothing else exists at all. I submit that these two veiwpoints are extremely
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382 arrogant and do not take into account the vast majority of the population of
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383 our planet. What if you are both totally wrong, the athiest "dammed to hell"
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384 for unbelief, the Christian for following false gods (yes gods -- true
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385 monotheism does not allow a troika as godhead. One boss, no father, son, etc.)
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386 O.K., I guess I' should get more specific-- what if Kouhmini is right? (He
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387 hasn't been in the news in so long that I'm not sure of the spelling!)"
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388 PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
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389 ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?
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390 PIPER: ONE OF MY PIPER FRIENDS IS CONTENT TO AMUSE HIMSELF AT HOME, THE
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391 OTHER HAS HER OWN BAND, WITH FIVE PIPERS AND TWO DRUMMERS.
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392 AS TO WHETHER CHRIST OR THE BIBLE IS REAL A LOOK INTO HISTORY PROVES
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393 UNDENIABLY THAT HE WAS A REAL PERSON. (not God in the flesh) NEARLY
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394 EVERYONE TODAY HAS HEARD OF JESUS CHRIST. HIS INFLUENCE ON HISTORY HAS
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395 BEEN GREATER THAN THAT OF ANY OTHER HUMAN. INDEED THE VERY CALENDAR USED
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396 IN MOST PARTS OF THE EARTH IS BASED ON THE YEAR HE IS THOUGHT TO HAVE
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397 BEEN BORN. AS THE WORLD BOOK ENCYCLOPEDIA SAYS: "DATES BEFORE THAT
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398 YEAR ARE LISTED AS B.C., OR BEFORE CHRIST. DATES AFTER THAT YEAR ARE
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399 LISTED AS A.D., OR ANNO DIMINI(in the year of our Lord). ALSO NOTES
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400 THE ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNIA, "IN ANCIENT TIMES EVEN THE OPPONENTS OF
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401 CHRISTIANITY NEVER DOUBTED THE ACTUAL EXISTENCE OF JESUS". IF YOU
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402 WOULD LIKE MORE INFO ON PROOF, JUST ASK.
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403
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404 HERE'S A LITTLE SOMETHING FOR EVERYONE, ON AGNOSTICS. IF YOU ARE AN
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405 AGNOSTIC, YOU COME SOMEWHERE BETWEEN AN ATHIEST AND A THIEST. THE
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406 ATHIEST IS CONVINCED THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST, WHILE THE THIEST
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407 HAS A FIRM BELIEF THAT GOD DOES EXIST AND THAT HE IS INVOLVED IN
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408 HUMAN AFFAIRS.
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409 THE AGNOSTIC DOES NOT FEEL THAT THERE IS ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO SAY
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410 THAT GOD DOES OR DOES NOT EXIST. RATHER, HE (or she) RESERVES JUDGEMEMT
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411 OR SAYS THAT IF GOD DOES EXIST HE IS UNKNOWN OR UNKNOWABLE. THIS IS
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412 THE WAY I USED TO BELIEVE.
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413 THE TERM "AGNOSTIC",(Greek-agnostos,"unknown") WAS COINED BY THE
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414 19TH CENTURY BRITISH SCIENTIST THOMAS H. HUXLEY, WHO ALSO HELPED TO
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415 POPULARIZE THE DARWINIAN THEORY OF EVOLUTION. HUXLEY NOTED THAT THE
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416 CHURCHES CLAIMED TO HAVE A SPECIAL (gnosis) KNOWLEDGE ABOUT GOD AND
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417 THE ORIGIN OF THINGS. HE GAVE ONE REASON WHY HE COULD NOT ACCEPT THIS,
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418 AND HENCE WAS AGNOSTIC: "IF WE COULD ONLY SEE IN ONE VIEW, THE TORRENTS
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419 OF HYPOCRISY AND CRUELTY, THE LIES, SLAUGHTER, THE VIOLATIONS OF EVERY
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420 OBLIGATION OF HUMANITY, WHICH HAVE FLOWED FROM THIS SOURCE [THE
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421 CHURCHES] ALONG THE COURSE OF HISTORY OF CHRISTIAN NATIONS, OUR
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422 WORST IMAGINATIONS OF HELL WOULD PALE BESIDE THE VISION."
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423 DOUBTLESS HIS FAITH HAD BEEN SHAKEN BY THE CONDUCT BY THOSE WHO SHOULD
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424 HAVE BEEN HELPING AND NOT DESTROYING.
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425 SOCIALIST HAROLD LASKI, WROTE IN A SIMILAR VEIN,"I WAS BROUGHT UP IN
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426 AN ORTHODOX JEWISH FAMILY; BUT I CANNOT EVEN REMEMBER A PERIOD IN
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427 WHICH EITHER RITUAL OR DOGMA HAD MEANING FOR ME. BOTH IN ENGLAND
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428 AND AMERICA I HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO SEE IN ANY OF THE ORGANIZED
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429 CHURCHES A FAITH IN IT'S PRINCIPLES SUFFICIENT TO MAKE IT DO
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430 SERIOUS BATTLE FOR JUSTICE. I CANNOT SEE IN THE HISTORIC PROCESS,
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431 THAT THE CHURCHES HAVE HAVE BEEN OTHER THAN THE ENEMIES OF REASON
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432 IN THOUGHT AND OF JUSTICE IN SOCIAL ARRANGEMENTS."
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433 HERE, HERE, I COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER, HAROLD!
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434 BUT HAS THE CONDUCT OF THE CHURCHES CAUSED YOU, TOO, TO DOUBT
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435 THE EXISTANCE OF GOD? IT IS TRUE THEIR HYPOCRISY AND WRONG CON-
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436 DUCT ARE A MATTER OF HISTORY. NOTE, HOWEVER, THAT THE BIBLE, THE
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437 FOREMOST SOURCE OGF INFORMATION ABOUT GOD, FORETOLD THE RISE OF
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438 JUST SUCH A PERVERSION OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH:"THEY WILL PRE-
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439 SERVE ALL THE OUTWARD FORM OF RELIGION, ALTHOUGH THEY HAVE LONG
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440 BEEN STRANGERS TO ITS MEANING."2 TIMOTHY 3:5, KNOX.
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441 IN FACT, THE SHORT COMINGS OF ESTABLISHED RELIGIONS ARE NO REASON
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442 TO CONCLUDE THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST. IF A SICK PERSON HAS BEEN
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443 CHEATED BY A QUACK DOCTOR, HE SHOULD NOT THUS CONCLUDE THAT NO CURE
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444 IS POSSIBLE. RATHER HE SHOULD LOOK AROUND FOR A GENUINE DOCTOR.
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445 SIMILIARLY, THE FACT THAT THE ESTABLISHED CHURCHES HAVE TURNED
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446 PEOPLE AWAY FROM GOD DOES NOT MEAN THAT GOD CANNOT BE FOUND. IT
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447 MERELY MEANS THAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK ELSEWHERE.
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448 THE RESEARCHES OF OXFORD UNIVERSITY MATHEMATICS PROFESSOR E.A. MILNE
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449 STRONGLY CONVINCED HIM THAT GOD EXISTS.MODERN SCIENCE SHOWS WITH
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450 INCREASING CLARITY THE COMPLEXITY AND BEAUTY OF THE LAWS GOVERNING
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451 THE UNIVERSE. MILNE FELT THAT WE HAVE TO ACCEPT THE EXISTANCE OF
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452 GOD TO EXPLAIN BOTH WHERE MATTER CAME FROM AND WHO ORIGINATED THE
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453 LAWS OF NATURE THAT CONTROL THE MATTER. "IF THERE IS A MYSTERY
|
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454 ABOUT THE CREATION MATTER," HE MAINTAINED,"THERE WOULD BE A STILL
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455 GREATER MYSTERY ABOUT THE CREATION OF ARBITRARY LAWS TO GOVERN IT."
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456 HENCE HE CONCLUDE," THOUGH I HAVE HAD MY PERIODS OF AGNOSTICISM, I
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457 HAVE ALWAYS RECOVERED FROM THEM. I DO FERVENTLY BELIEVE THAT THIS
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458 UNIVERSE WAS CREATED BY ALMIGHTY GOD." THAT'S HIS OPINION ANYWAY.
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459 I THOUGHT IT INTERESTING.
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460 LEONARD: I SEE THE DILIMA, BUT THE HELLFIRE AND BRIMSTONE DOCTRINE
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461 PROPOUNDED BY MANY A CHURCH IS MERELY A PLOY TO CONTROL THEIR FOL-
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462 LOWERS WITH FEAR. A CREATOR OF SOMETHING AS COMPLEX AS OUR UNIVERSE
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463 WOULD NOT NEED TO STOOP TO SUCH A LEVEL. THE BIBLE DOES NOT SUPPORT
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464 ETERNAL TORMENT. BESIDES IF THIS PLACE REALLY EXISTED, MAN HAS DONE
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465 ENOUGH DIGGING AND EXCAVATING THAT SURELY HE WOULD HAVE RUN INTO IT.
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466 THE BIBLE TEACHES THAT THE DEAD ARE DEAD. DEATH IS THE OPPOSITE OF
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467 LIFE. JESUS MANY TIMES, COMPARED IT TO SLEEP. AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN
|
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468 THE BIBILE SAYS THE DEAD ARE UNCONSCIOUS, UNTHINKING. SEE ECCLESIASTES
|
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469 9:5,10.....PSALMS 146:4.....ECCLESIASTES 3:19,20. ALSO THE BIBLE
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470 SAYS THAT JESUS WAS IN HELL FOR THREE DAYS. ACTS 2:27, 31.
|
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471 MY, MY TIME HAS GOTTEN AWAY FROM ME. I'VE USED UP TWO OR THREE
|
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472 DAYS OF MY ALOTTED TIME! PLEASE FORGIVE!
|
||
473 ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?DEBORAH?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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||
474 The Poet smiled and clapped his hands as he approached the man with the
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475 pipes.
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476 "Bravo! Sir, that was the finest piebroch I have heard in many a long
|
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477 day. Such a skillful performance deserves reward. You must be thirsty
|
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478 after your efforts; my friends and I would be honored if you would allow
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||
479 us to buy you a drink at our table."
|
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480 So saying, he laid one hand on the Piper's arm and gently but irresistably
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481 guided him towards the tablewhere sat Graymalken and Lynn.
|
||
482 && The Mad Actor &&
|
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483
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484 {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ + - / * }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
|
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485
|
||
486 ...well delusions of grandure has obsessed one of the patrons of
|
||
487 the Inn, self promoted from ignorant youth to The Almighty!!!
|
||
488
|
||
489 ...Evan, mathematicians don't mean anything by anything. (Just
|
||
490 like with frogs, to quote another story.) You can read
|
||
491 Mesolithic as 'stone age' if you wish. Or as a transitional
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492 state therein. One doesn't wish to be lumped in with some
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||
493 of the modern versions of mathematician who are merely number
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494 crunchers and symbol manipulators.
|
||
495
|
||
496 ...The Mad Actor, the erase screen thing is a mystery to me, and
|
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497 certainly not done with intent. I went back and dumped my
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||
498 message to a capture buffer and looked at it. There are not
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||
499 any control characters or funnynesses in it that I can see.
|
||
500 I regret the inconvenience to you but suspect that it is not of
|
||
501 my doing. I do use the opening and closing brace characters
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||
502 as opening and closing delimiters. Could this be it?? What
|
||
503 character(s) would erase your screen?
|
||
504
|
||
505 {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ The Mesolithic Mathematician }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
|
||
506
|
||
508 CHRISTIANITY I MUST SAY TO ONE AND ALL, THAT THE FOUNDATION FOR SALVATION IS
|
||
509 IN YOUR HEARTS AND SOULS. YOU NEED ONLY HAVE FAITH AND BELIEVE.
|
||
510
|
||
511
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||
512
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513
|
||
514 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< FINI FIN >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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||
515 .....
|
||
516 .......
|
||
517 ........................
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518
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||
519 I need money -- If you want to help me, just put 25 cents or 50 cents in
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520 an envelope and mail it to:
|
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521
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||
522 A Guy Who Needs Money
|
||
523
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||
524 Fairview, OR 97024
|
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525
|
||
526 Thanks
|
||
527
|
||
528 ..........................................................................
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||
530 HELLO FARE PEOPLE OF THE INN
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||
532 HE LOST A VOLOTIGE REGULATOR AND THE BORD IT SUPLYED
|
||
533 AND HE IS NOW STUCKE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NEOLICHIC
|
||
534 AGE ...
|
||
535 TO GOD : I CONCIDE THAT YOU EXIST AND ARE A FORCE IN THIS PLANE
|
||
536 OF EXITINCE . BUT IT IS MY GOOB TO DO SONE THING ABOUT THIS MEDDLING
|
||
537
|
||
538
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||
539 VIOLENTLY WOURS
|
||
540 MA YUAN
|
||
541 KILLER OF GOD'S
|
||
542 PS EVER WOUNDER WHO INFLUNCED THE JURY IN WOUR SON'S TRILL
|
||
543 PPS WHO FOULED UP THE SINE ON MESSAGE
|
||
544 ######################################
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||
545 Deborah, I believe YOU think there is
|
||
546 a God. But most of your information was
|
||
547 taken from people or articles that are
|
||
548 pushing the believe of God. (i.e. the Bible)
|
||
549
|
||
550 If there really is a God how did he create
|
||
551 the universe? Scientists have theories that
|
||
552 will stand up to the Bible any day of the
|
||
553 week including Sunday.
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||
554
|
||
555 I don't really think that somebody could
|
||
556 be so stupid as to create a world so
|
||
557 totally screwed.
|
||
558
|
||
559 This GOD must really have fun watching people
|
||
560 suffer!
|
||
561
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||
562
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||
563 FOTI
|
||
564 ######################################
|
||
565 =========================================================
|
||
566 DEBAORAH: THAKYOU FOR THE FAIRLY DETAILED DEFINITION OF
|
||
567 AGNOSTOSISM AND ATHIESM, I THINK I CAN SAY I CLASS AS AN AGNOSTIC.
|
||
568
|
||
569 M. M.: TO BAD THERE ARE SO FEW OF US HWHO ENJOY MATHEMATICS, YOUR
|
||
570 RIGHT, TODAY'S MATHEMATICIANS ARE JUST NUMBER CRUNCHERS FOR THE MOST PART.
|
||
571
|
||
572 ...HMMM, NOTICE I NEVER SEEM TO USE ABSOLUTES.
|
||
573 EVAN
|
||
574 ==========================================================
|
||
575 Dear Sysop Mikey;
|
||
576 I was busily removing some rather childish revisions made to your sign-on
|
||
577 message when I noticed your mention that no restrictions are made to the
|
||
578 use of this system. I feel compelled to apologise for my thoughtless
|
||
579 censorship; on further reflection I have decided that the individual who
|
||
580 goes by the name of "Wrench" has as much right to self-expression (however
|
||
581 infantile & childish I may find it) as anyone else. In the future I will
|
||
582 not do as I have done.
|
||
583 Wrench: I apologise to you also. You have as much right to state your
|
||
584 opinions as anyone else. The fact that your chosen vocabulary bothers me
|
||
585 only serves to show me up as intolerant.Please don't disturb this message,
|
||
586 so that my apology will be known to all. I would like to ask you to extend
|
||
587 this same courtesy to the other users of this system, & to use the blank
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||
588 part of the file for your entries in the future. I shall not touch your
|
||
589 statements, nor (I hope) will they.
|
||
590 Mea Culpa,
|
||
591 && The Mad Actor &&
|
||
592 P.S. to The MesoMath:
|
||
593 Yep, those brackets are the culprits, all right! My system uses character
|
||
594 code 125 for the clear screen instruction. This is the ASCII code for your
|
||
595 brackets.
|
||
596 && TMA &&
|
||
597 HELLO ALL OF YOU PHREAKERS OUT THERE. THIS IS THE STAINLESS
|
||
598 STEEL WORM HERE. I THINK THAT YOUR DISCUSION OF RELIGION
|
||
599 IS VERY INTERESTING, ALTHOUGH A BIT LONG WINDED IN PARTS.
|
||
600 IS THIS BBS EVER USED TO PASS INFO. IF SO, I COULD USE SOME
|
||
601 NUMBERS OF SOME MORE PRIVATE BOARDS LIKE THIS WHERE THEY ALLOW
|
||
602 AN INTERESTING VARIETY OF LANGUAGE AND INFO TO BE USED.
|
||
603 THANX...
|
||
604
|
||
605
|
||
606
|
||
607 -=-=-=- THE STAINLESS STEEL WORM -=-=-=-
|
||
608 ^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^
|
||
609 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|
||
610 OK, KIDDIES, WE'S GOT SOME GOOD NEWS, AND SOME BAD NEWS. FIRST TO GARY:
|
||
611 SORRY I HAVEN'T BEEN ON THE SYSTEM IN A WEEK OR SO, SO I JUST SAW YOUR ABOVE
|
||
612 MESSAGE. YES, MANY THINGS REMAIN TO BE WORKED OUT, BUT FROM MY EXPERIENCE
|
||
613 THEY ARE MINOR. I AM INVESTINTG THE $100 MILLION IN HUMANITY. PURE AND
|
||
614 SIMPLE. THERE ARE STILL A FEW OF US OUT HERE. IF I'LL BLOW THE BUCKS ON
|
||
615 THE PROJECT, YOU CAN BET THERE'LL BE TRUCKLOADS OF THE BEST PEOPLE WILLING
|
||
616 TO DEVOTE TIME AND ENERGY TO IT. AND NOT ALL WILL BE UNPAID. SORRY I CAN'T
|
||
617 EXPLAIN MUCH FURTHER, BUT EVEN TRYING TO MAKE A PROFIT, THE VENTURE WILL
|
||
618 BE VERRY, VERRRY LUCKY TO BREAK EVEN. THUS THE NON-PROFIT STATUS. AT
|
||
619 LEAST WE WON'T PAY TAXES ON THE LITTLE WE DO GET.
|
||
620
|
||
621 SECONDLY, I'M SORRY I GOT WAYLAYED BEFORE I GOT TO FINISH THE STORY ABOUT
|
||
622 TIME TRAVEL. ANYONE WANTS TO FINISH IT, DROP ME A MESSAGE SOMETIME.
|
||
623
|
||
624 NOT FOR THE BAD NEWS. I'VE BEEN GONE BECAUSE I HAVE JUST RAISED 2.5 MILLION
|
||
625 DOLLARS TO BEGIN THE COMPUTER COMPANY WE WERE DISCUSSING, BUT HAVE TO MOVE
|
||
626 TO SANTA CRUZ, CALIFORNIA TO COLLECT. SIGH. SO I WON'T BE BACK ON THE
|
||
627 SYSTEM REGULARLY. I WILL TRY TO LOG IN LONG DISTANCE ON SATURDAY NIGHTS,
|
||
628 HOWEVER, SO PLEASE DROP ME A LINE.
|
||
629 BYE BYE FROM DAVER, GENERAL MACAIBO, CONTREMON VALERIUS, AND GOOD OL SPIKE!
|
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