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1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask....
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2 ********************** REMOVED 15 FEB 84 *******************
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3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator
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4 ************************************************************
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5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION
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6 PLACED ON THIS SYSTEM.
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7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privatly owned
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8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public.
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9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. As the system is
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10 privatly owned, I retain the right to remove any and all messages which
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11 I may find offensive. Because of the limited size of the system, it will be
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12 periodically purged of messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved)
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13 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out of the
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14 ENTER mode. The message is automatically stored. If after entering the
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15 message you find you made a mistake, use the replace command to replace
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16 the line. To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up.
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17 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system.
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18 ************************************************************
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19
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20 IT IS LATE AND I HEAR A SCRATCHING NOISE OUTSIDE THE INN. NOW I WONDER
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21 WHAT THAT COULD BE AT THIS HOUR? OPENING THE DOOR I SEE A TREMBLING
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22 FIGURE GRASPING THE ROWAN TREE TIGHTLY. MOVING OUTSIDE TO SEE IF I
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23 CAN HELP, MAYBE THEY ARE IN NEED OF SHELTER ON THIS COLD NIGHT? THEN
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24 AS I APROACH I SEE TO MY AMAZMENT IT IS PAM!!! QUICKLY RUSHING TO
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25 HER, I PUT MY ARM AROUND HER TO STEADY HER AND HELP HER TO RETURN
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26 ONCE MORE TO THE INN. "WELCOME BACK! FIRST LETS GET YOU WARM, THEN
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27 YOU MUST TELL ME OF YOUR ADVENTURES. BUT FOR NOW JUST RELAX AND
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28 BASK IN THE WARMTH OF THE GLOWING FIRE.
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29 ****** WELCOME BACK PAM! ****** I MISSED YOU! ****** CISTOP MIKEY ******
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30 ########################################
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31
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32 Well, Well! at last we hear from DOM. What's this about you leaving us for the
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33 land of the rising sun? You will be sorely missed. As you can see the Inn Has gone to hell in a handbasket lately.
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34 this is not too bad but then it can't hold a candle to our old "discussions". I have become what they call here, a lurker
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35 not joining in unless either politics or religeon are on the burner.
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36 How long before you leave? Will try to get back to you in about a week.
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37
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38 ################C.Y.M.###############################2/12/84 12:50am############
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39 !~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!
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40
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41 It was raining outside tonight
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42 Inside on the carpet,
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43 A man lay dying.
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44 I stood by, helpless...
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45
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46 Not batting an eye, Mr. Macho,
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47 Except for the trickle of sweat
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48 Running down my forehead.
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49
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50 Oh sweet Jesus,
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51 God, how it scared me.
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52
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53 I'm not a religious man; but I might take it up.
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54 Just in case... Dear God, don't let me go like that.
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55
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56 !~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!Valinor!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!
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57
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58 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&
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59 Oh Imaginary Fig, jump not to conclusions! There are indeed Ninja in this
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60 country, although few and quiet.
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61 This is spoken from sure knowledge and personal experience.
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62 Their terrifying arts are now passed from master to student in a way
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63 not unlike that of the more accepted martial arts, but always without
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64 fanfare, without advertising.
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65 They are among us, but I must echo your doubts about our "Ninja". Then
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66 again, are you truly a Figment? I am an Actor, yet barely a Poet. This
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67 is part of the beauty of the world we are creating here: we can be what
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68 we wish to be, limited only by our imaginations, our verbal acuity, and
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69 the all-powerful one who looks over us all. In this last I speak, of
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70 course, of Systop Mikey.
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71 Flights of Fancy Sing Thee to Thy Rest,
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72 && The Mad Actor &&
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73 ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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74 Pam,I know not who you are or were but judging from the amount of grief your
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75 not being at the inn has caused I welcom you back,I am The Man in Gray or
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76 M I G.
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77 Deborah,no I have'nt forgoten you but a VERY good friend of mine came back
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78 from an 8 week training mission and I hav not
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79 been able to use my stuff at night because i'm usualy ah,well... occupied.
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80 at the inn...
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81 Sir,there is likely to be severe danger in this trip,whoever is importing
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82 the weapons from up-time will be as ruthless as a hari krisna triing to get a
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83 donation!
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84 Graymalken could see that his warning had no effect on the demented player.
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85 "have you ever seen the likes of thease sir?"said the mad actor
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86 "no,they look deadly enough,try them out on that unnamed person in the corner
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87 who critisezes my spelling and grammar"
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88 "no sir,I will not,not when there is a lady present"
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89 "I should think that lynn is accos..."
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90 "not her,the lady that the innkeeper just brought in,she looks lost and a
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91 needless display of violence would only upset her"said TMA
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92 "as you say,I still want to do something to that person with the disgustingly
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93 correct typing.and you my daughter,why have you been so silent?"
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94 "while you and this unknown mann have been blabbering,I have been trying to
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95 find out how the weapon transfer took place,I think we should see the wizard.
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96 same time-frame(more or less) same chanel(only one there is) next disk(maby).
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97 to be continued
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98 The Man in Gray
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99 ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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100 pppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
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101 Getting no response from the back room, the piper turned and picked his
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102 way back to his table with the bard. Gancing around he saw several figures
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103 with their heads close together. One, a man dressed in some grey cloth
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104 seemed to be speaking to a woman and another man.
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105 The piper reached to the ledge where he had folded his pipes and drew
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106 them down. Shaking the folds out of the moist leather bag, he lifted them
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107 by the bass drone and chanter, placed the bass drone on his left shoulder
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108 and let the two tenor drones fan out over his arm. Tucking the bag under
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109 his elbow, he placed the blowpipe between his teeth and inflated the bag
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110 with two quick breaths.
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111 As the piper started the pipes, a movement caught his eye. The group he
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112 had noticed earlier seemed to have accumulated a group of deadly weapons.
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113
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114 Ah well, perhaps the problem would be solved in the resolution of another
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115 he was working on. He had not ever spoken to Pam directly, but had seen
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116 and approved her demeanor and actions.
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117 The pipes were droning now. The piper reached up to adjust the bass drone
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118 slightly and the room wavered slightly. Nodding in comprehension, he firmly
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119 twisted and slid the adjustment fully out of tune, then back in. The inn
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120 seemed to waver in and out of focus. Adjusting the two tenors, and a quick
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121 run on the chanter -- the pipes were in tune.
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122 First -- for Pam as a welcome back --
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123 the piper played "The Australian Ladies" and watched as the debris from
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124 the mini-war became transparent and dissolved. That particular reality,
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125 vulnerable because it was not accepted by enough patrons, dissolved into
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126 the mists of might-have-been. In the place of broken tables, demolished
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127 benches and chairs, broken glass and shell craters, well-worn tables mellow
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128 with age and use and plain but sturdy seats firmed into view.
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129 The piper ended the first song, then immediately broke into an irish jig,
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130 sensing the touch of the gael in Pam's presence. Hoping to lift her heart,
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131 he ran through "Paddy's Leather Breeches" and "Cork Hill".
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132 Finishing his tunes, he turned to her, and hesitating to approach as she
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133 appeared exhausted and cold, bowed with a flourish, then sat back at his
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134 table with the bard.
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135 pppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
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136 Piper:If you would be so kind as to oblige me, I would sing of a reality
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137 that those "disturbing" patrons are better suited for. Do you know "Banks of
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138 Sicily"?
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139 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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140 Green Hills of Harmony (words: Al Frank, music: Banks of Sicily)
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141 Well, the Sergeant is sad and the piper is fey,
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142 There's no Dorsai whiskey we'll have on this day.
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143 The sky to the eastward is cloudy and grey,
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144 And all of the soldiers are leaving.
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145 CHORUS:So it's march! March! Down to the landing
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146 And set down your pack while the ferry's away.
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147 And it's fare ye well, you green hills of Harmony,
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148 All the poor soldiers are leaving.
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149 Well, one contract's filled out but another's been made.
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150 The Elders have told us our time's overstayed.
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151 So light up if you got 'em, lie back in the shade.
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152 When the ferry comes down we'll be leaving.
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153 chorus
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154 Well, the clouds movin' westward have blotted the sun.
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155 It's a helluva life when you carry a gun:
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156 You're hot when you're fighting, you freeze when you're done,
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157 And it rains on the day that you're leaving!
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158 chorus
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159 Well, some fight for glory, some fight for the pay,
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160 But we are the Dorsai, and fighting's our way.
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161 It's a hard life to live, but it's harder to stay,
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162 When all of your buddies are leaving.
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163 So it's smoke out! There by the landing'
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164 The ferry is back. Saddle up, come away,
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165 And it's fare ye well, you green hills of Harmony,
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166 All the poor soldiers are leaving.
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167 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~BARD~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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168 A free drink to the first patron to identify the reality that the above song
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169 is from.
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170 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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171 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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172 Welcome back Pam! Even those who dared not speak to one with such influence
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173 around the Inn missed you. I hope you won't be leaving again soon, the
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174 Inn is just never as bright when you're away.
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175 Bo
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176 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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177
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178 {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ 0! < 1 }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
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179
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180 DEBORAH Dear (et. all)--- If it is a topic of discussion that
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181 you seek, if I may make a small suggestion, there is one
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182 subject of both a historical and topical nature that has
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183 never failed to bring out diversity of opinion and at times
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184 heated discussion.
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185 I refer to the concept of "Intellectual Property".
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186 In other words, Copyrights, and the use and abuse of them.
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187 There are many aspects to such a consideration.
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188 First of all does it make any sense to say that the published
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189 creative output of an individual or collective mind should
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190 be protected from reproduction?
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191 What of the moral, ethical, and legal implications of what is
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192 sometimes referred to as piracy? (both for profit & private
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193 use of the material.)
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194 Are the same criteria applicable to different media such as
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195 printed material, video tapes, computer programs, etc. ?
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196 It's interesting to note that in many companies large and
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197 small, it is common practice to buy one copy of program disk
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198 and clone it for the use of several people on different
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199 computers; even though they sign an agreement not to do this.
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200 What about suppression of what an individual knows such as
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201 the non-disclosure & non-competition agreements people are
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202 asked to sign?
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203
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204 Well, its a big subject and multi-faceted. You might well ask,
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205 "Where do you stand on these issues?"
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206 I feel that in the end it comes down to the set of values
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207 that each individual embraces and uses to guide their actions.
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208 It is through discussion that many of these values are formed.
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209 Some actions tend to suppress creative expression... others
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210 encourage it.
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211
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212 ...but the true artist will find a means of expression no
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213 matter what the circumstance.
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214
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215 {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ The Mesolithic Mathematician }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
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216
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217 P.S.--- PAM I would also like to welcome you back with open
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218 arms... although I don't exactly know you, someone
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219 with so many superb friends is worth getting acquainted
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220 with!!!
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221 {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ 1 > 0! }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
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223 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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225 Aaron..... at PSU
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226
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227 DOM...Welcome back
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228 Your absence was greatly noticed !
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229
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230 ::::::::::::::::::::::Alex:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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231 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
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232 MATHEMATICIAN: WHEN I BECAME EMPLOYED BY A SOFTWARE COMPANY TO WRITE SOFTWARE
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233 I WAS REQUIRED TO SIGN AN AGREEMENT THAT STATED IN ESSENCE:
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234 (1) AFTER LEAVING EMPLOYMENT, I SHALL NOT WORK FOR A COMPETITOR FOR
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235 A PERIOD OF AT LEAST ONE YEAR.
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236 (2) ALL IDEAS, TECHNIQUES, ETC. I DEVELOP ARE THE PROPERTY OF THE COMPANY.
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237 I CANNOT USE THESE WITHOUT WRITTEN PERMISSION OF THE COMPANY.
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238 EVEN THINGS SUCH AS SORTS, FILE ROUTINES, ETC. I CAN'T USE FOWN
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239 PROGRAMS.
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240
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241
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242 I THOUGHT THIS RATHER UNFAIR, BUT I WAS ASSURED(VERBALLY) THAT THIS WAS
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243 STANDARD PRACTICE AMONG ALL COMPANIES AND THAT USING MY ROUTINES WOULD BE
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244 NO PROBLEM.
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245 I AM NOW WONDERING WHAT I HAVE GOT MSELF INTO. COULD YOU SUPPLY SOME COMMENTS?
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246 JONATHAN CHANCE
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247
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248 P.S. MESSAGE TO FIGMENT AND OTHERS:
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249 IF A=SUCCESS
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250 THEN A=X+Y+Z
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251 WHEN X=WORK
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252 Y=PLAY
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253 Z=KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT
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254
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255 (PURPORTEDLY) EINSTIEN!
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256 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
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257 <=><=><=><=<=><=><=><=><=><=><=><=><=>
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258 IT'S JOKE TIME!!
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259 THERE WAS ONCE A PLANE THAT HAD A CARGO
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260 OF PARATROOPERS A STUPID MAN AND A SMARTMAN. THE STUPID MAN JUMPED OUT FIRST...
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261 PULLED HIS SHUTE...IT OPENED AND HE
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262 WAS GLIDING DOWN PERFECT.
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263 THE SMART MAN JUMPED OUT...PULLED HIS
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264 SHUTE.......NOTHING HAPPENED...HE PULLED THE AUXILLERY SHUTE...NO RESPONCE!!!
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265 HE WAS NOW APPROACHING THE STUPID MAN
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266 WHO WAS GLIDING DOWN. THE STUPID MAN
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267 LOOKS OVER,SEES THE SPEEDING SMART MAN
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268 AND REPLIES.....OH SO YOU WANT TO RACE
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269 ...OK. THEN HE UNBUKLES HIS SHUTE.................(MASSAVE LAUGHTER)
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270 COURTESY OF ...
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271 *** * * *** ** ** **
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272 * * * * * * * * * *
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273 * **** *** ** ** *
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287 <=><=><=><=><=><=><=><=><=><=><=><=><=>
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288 To Whomever put the 79 blank lines on the board:
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289 I just finished erasing them. Do it again, and someone will erase it again.
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290 We at the Inn are a notoriously tolerant lot, but the disks go by too quickly,
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291 and wasting them with empty lines is simply intolerable. I will defend to
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292 the death your right to say what you will, but saying nothing for 79 lines
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293 is a waste. Then again, perhaps you were sharing with us your entire
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294 lifetime's collection of wisdom?
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295 && The Mad Actor &&
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296 Bard:
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297 "For the inhabited worlds of the human race were split--as they had
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298 been split for two hundred years now--into two camps, one which
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299 held their populations to 'tight' contracts and the other who believed
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300 in the so-called loose contract. Those on the tight-contract side
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301 were the Friendly worlds of Harmony and Association, Newton, Cassida
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302 and Venus, and the big new world of Ceta under Tau Ceti. On the
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303 loose side were ranged Earth, the Dorsai, the Exotic worlds of Mara
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304 and Kultis, New Earth, Freiland, Mars and the small Catholic world
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305 of St. Marie."
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306 From Soldier, Ask Not
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307 by Gordon R. Dickson.
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308 A part of his Childe Cycle.
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309 000000000000000000000000000000000voyeur000000000000000000000000000000
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310 I thought it was 'chute', not 'shute'?
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311 [][][][][][][][][][][] 1743 02/12/84 [][][][][][][][][][][][]
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312
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313 PAM: HI. I STILL HAVE THE DISK.
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314
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315 [][][][][][][][][][][][] DJJ [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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316
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317 PS. WELCOME BACK, IT HAS BECOME GHASTLY AROUND HERE.
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320
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321 Re the NINJA's remark on drive B
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322 Not being one to quibble, I thought the Ninja class was a product of
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323 feudalistic Japanese society, having nothing to do with China
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324
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325 Pertaining to DOM's (?) remark about not polluting Japan..
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326 Two summers ago our family hosted two Japanese students for about
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327 three weeks. Both were buddhist, coming from buddhist families. We are
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328 still in touch with one of them and recently he mentioned in a letter
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329 that he wished to become a Christian. Why would an extremely bright
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330 young man (about 16 now) want to do this? My own theory is that with
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331 Japans westernization has come a longing, especially amongst the
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332 young, to emulate their western counter-parts. Call it a sort of
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333 peer pressure; A Japanese form of rebelliousness (if there can be
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334 such a thing). In the near future Christians could be a majority in
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335 Japan, and that saddens me.
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336
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337 Mr. Tim
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338 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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339 Wow! I just recently went to the Portlan
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340 Plaza. What a place!
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341
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342 Tons of good looking women! Any one out there
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343 go Saturday night?
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344
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345 I highly suggest that all new wavers attend!
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350 FUTI
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351
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352 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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353 That should say -> FOTI
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354 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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355 ......... Just remember to check your brain at the door
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356 [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[
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357 If the above remark was an insult to new wavers or the Plaza than
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358 would the writer please drop dead?
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359 ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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360 would the above 2 writers explane 2 things,what are "wavers" and what is this
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361 "plaza"?
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362 Cistop Mikey,what does it mean when I call and nobodys home?
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363 The Man in Gray
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364 ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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365
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366 Mr. Tim; I hope your desire that Japan remain non-Christian stems from a
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367 fondness for the traditional diversity of a multi-cultural world rather
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368 than the sort of close-minded prejudice of which Christians are often
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369 accused by their non-Christian detractors. It has been my experience that
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370 extremism in either cause tends to go hand in hand with an appalling
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371 level of prejudice and an unwillingness to openly communicate that can
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372 only make matters worse. Each individual should be allowed to freely choose
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373 their own course in life without relying on someone else's concepts of
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374 right and wrong. Free-thinkers all at least pay lip service to this idea,
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375 and the free will of the individual is central to Christian doctrine as
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376 well. What goes around, comes around; if Christianity is on the rise in
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377 Japan, there are also more Buddists in the U.S. than there used to be.
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378
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379 M.i.G.: They are referring to those who listen to New Wave music, an art
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380 form which emphasizes pain & ugliness as desirable social traits. Quite
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381 popular, I hear.
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382 Yours in Wretched Excess,
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383 && The Mad Actor &&
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384 P.S.: to MiG;
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385 I believe the answer to your phone question is:
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386 "It means the phone keeps ringing until you hang up".
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387 && TMA &&
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388 !|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|
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389 FLASH!
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390 THERE'S A NEW BBS IN TOWN!
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391 THIS ONE'S A REALLY NEW ONE, ACTUALLY STILL BEING WRITTEN. IT'S NOT
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392 FINISHED YET, BUT IT'S GOT REAL POSSIBILITIES.
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393 THE NUMBER IS 289-xxxx. THAT'S 289-xxxx.
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394 IT'S RUNNING ON AN EPSON QX-10, UP MOST OF THE TIME UNTIL IT'S DONE,
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395 THEN UP FULL TIME.
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396 GIVE IT A CALL AND LEND THIS GUY SOME MORAL SUPPORT!
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397 !|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|___THE SILVER GHOST___!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|
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398 ****************************************************
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399 M.I.G. IT MEANS THAT THE SYSTEM IS OFF LINE AND I AM USING IT. EITHER
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400 TO DO BACKUPS, OR TO READ WHAT'S GOING ON, OR TO ENTER MY OWN MESSAGES
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401 LIKE NOW.
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402 ******************* CISTOP MIKEY ************************************
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403 ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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404 PIPER: DO YOU PLAY THE PIPES IN ACTUALITY? YOU SEEM YO HAVE AN
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405 IN DEPTH KNOWLEDGE OF THEM. I HAVE A COUPLE OF FRIENDS THAT ARE
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406 QUITE PRACTICED PLAYERS. THEY MAKE BEAUTIFUL MUSIC!
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407 AHAH! A TOPIC.......AND ONE OF INTEREST! BUT I HAVE NO TIME TO
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408 RESPOND. BUT I SHALL RETURN.
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409 d, WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU, SATURDAY? WE SEARCHED AND SEARCHED,
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410 EVEN IN THE DITCHES AROUND YOUR HOUSE, AND COULD FIND NO TRACE
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411 OF THE VEHICLE THAT WAS STUCK. REFER TO YOUR ELECTRONIC MAILBOX.
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412 ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!DEBORAH?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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413 To New Wavers: I apologise. My earlier comment was of the very
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414 intolerant and predjudiced nature that I'd just finished criticizing.
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415 Celebrate your sounds! I'm only bitter because I was too late for the
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416 sixties, andh had to make do with the seventies.
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417 With Hope for Tomorrow,
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418 && The Mad Actor &&
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419 ............................................................................
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420 "Innkeeper, I'm paying for this gentleman's next drink" said the piper,
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421 indicating the one who called himself "voyeur".
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422 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~BARD~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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423 As for the non-disclosure agreements & the like, they started out
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424 because of the way the lawyers have screwed up the patent system. The last I
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425 heard, if you took someone to court for violating your patent, there was a
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426 90% (!!) chance that your patent would be ruled invalid. Thus, the only
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427 means of protection left was to make the process/device/whatever a "trade
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428 secret". This requires the non-disclosure agreements, etc.
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429 I'm not saying it's right, just (unfortunately) necessary.
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430 As for the copyright laws, I "violate" them often. If I need a copy
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431 of a copyrighted work (that I already own) in a form other than that in
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432 which I bought it, according to the law, I'm stuck. (an example, if I want
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433 a microfilm copy of a magazine & they don't sell it that way, LEGALLY, I
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434 can't microfilm it myself). My feeling is, OK- if they sell it in the form
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435 I need, then I'm morally & legally obligated to buy it rather than convert
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436 it to that form myself. If they DON'T have it available, then I see no
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437 MORAL problem in buying what they DO sell & converting it myself. (I should
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438 ask persmission though I haven't always done so)
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439 __________________________Leonard___________________________________________
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443 "Milady Pam, thou hast been sorely missed. May I bid thee welcome on
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444 behalf of all the patrons who have missed thee?", he inquired.
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445 ..........................the apprentice....................................
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446 My name is Nancy, I'm a seventeen year old girl who isn't
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447 glamourous or anything, but I'm not ugly either. My dad and I
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448 keep having fights because I think sex with boys is OK.
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449 I'm a B+ students, with lots of friends, and I was even a
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450 cheerleader once, so I'm no tramp or anything like that. I
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451 just like sex a whole lot.
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452 I think sex is a natural normal thing and I think girls
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453 should have just as much fun with sex as boys. I think the
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454 only reason my dads being so weird is cause all men (and boys)
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455 think only thier sex should have any fun. This isnt fair.
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456 I'd like to hear other peoples opinions so maybe I can
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457 get some better arguements for the next time I fight with my
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458 dad.
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459 Nancy
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460
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461 ============================================================
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462 ??????????????????????????????
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463 sigh.......if only i were not happily married.
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464 to the above lender of "jokes" I would like to meet you on a field of combat
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465 one day,backed up by my trusty knife and everybody I know from the local
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466 SPCA chapter.I hope your mind can change b4 somebody changes it for you.
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467 Mad Actor,perhaps you would like to add a chapter to the story I have
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468 somehow managed to start? late nights for me are out for the next week or so
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469 because I have to be at work by 5a.m.
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470 The Man in Gray
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471 ???????????????????????????????
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472
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473 {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ + - / * }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
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474
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475 JONATHAN C.---Your note certainly has a familiar ring. Have you
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476 noticed have often the phrase "Every body else does it" is
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477 used when people want to coerce someone into doing something
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478 that they have apprehensions about?
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479
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480 Yes, indeed, the practice of having everyone sign away all of
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481 their rights to any creative effort or intellectual property
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482 has become all too widespread, in my opinion.
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483
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484 I, for one have decided to resist this trend, and in all my
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485 software contracts it specifically specifies I retain the
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486 copyright to the code and the right to utilized the functions
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487 in future works, at my discretion. (I'll be the first to admit
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488 that I've been fortunate to be able to take such a stand, but
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489 people who hold a strong position are the very ones who should
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490 stand for individual freedoms and rights.)
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491
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492 What I'm saying is that each person has to decide whether they
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493 wish to sign away certain portions of their future creative
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494 endeavours or allow present stored knowledge that they have to
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495 be locked up and not available to use as they wish. It may be
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496 that they feel the compensation is worth signing away. The
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497 only suggestion I make is don't sign without thinking about it
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498 first." Everyone's doing it" is not a good reason in my opinion.
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499
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500 In your case where it's after the fact you still have the same
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501 choices. Worse case you're only restricted for a year from
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502 this moment and your question indicates you're already a year
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503 wiser than when you signed it.
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504
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505 There's a recent article in PC Magazine Vol. 2 Number 7 for
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506 Dec. 1983, "Who Owns The Software?" by Stephen Becker. He gives
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507 a good explanation of the changes in the copyright laws that
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508 were enacted in 1978. They give a lot more rights to the
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509 individual and probably had some influence on the trend of
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510 companies to get people to reassign the newly acquired right
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511 back over to them.
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512
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513 Well, I've rambled enough and expressed my own biased opinion
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514 quite loudly... Hope it also answered your question!
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515
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516 {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ The Mesolithic Mathematician }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
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517
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518
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519 ~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM
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520
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521 Deborah, CYM, Alex: I truly appreciate your kind remarks....
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522 THANK YOU!
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523 It happens that the majority of my personal (as opposed to digital)
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524 friends are already in Japan, so I'm sure the one attribute of Portland
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525 I will miss most will be BWMS and the patrons thereof; without which I
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526 would find this city intolerably boring. I hope there are similar systems
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527 in Tokyo! In any case, funds permitting, I will try to up/download some-
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528 thing to/from BWMS upon occassion. I am delighted to see that I am leav-
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529 ing BWMS with all of the necessary constituents for a rather active re-
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530 ligious exchange; CYM representing us heathens, Deborah representing the
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531 Holy contingent, PAM regulating the bloodshed to a non-fatal level, and
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532 Leonard antagonizing everyone possible (just kidding {kind of}).
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533 I am trying desparately to depart by the end of the month, but I still
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534 have an apartment full of furniture and other miscellaneous "junk" to find
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535 new homes for. I hope to be able to use this equipment once or twice again
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536 before I go.
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537
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538 Mr. Tim: Americanization in Japan although existant to some extent in
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539 nearly all cross-sections of the society, is most prevalent among high
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540 school students. American fashions (especially 1950-60's era), American
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541 lifestyles and American individualism (as opposed to the traditional
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542 Japanese family structure) are now the "fad". My hope and belief is that
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543 since most of them have never been to the US, their knowlege of American
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544 thought and attitudes is only superficial, from magazines, TV, etc.; and
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545 their values, which will emerge as they reach adulthood, remain largely
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546 Japanese. I would guess that your student s desire to convert is moti-
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547 vated by social gratification (as it often is here in the US) and will
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548 desist as he makes the transition from the educational realm to the voc-
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549 ational realm. Fortunately, the adult population is considerably more
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550 discriminating regarding which aspects of Americanization are beneficial
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551 and which are destructive. I too am concerned about the potential effects
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552 of Americanization and specifically Christianity, but I doubt (with my
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553 fingers crossed) that there is sufficient cause to be overwrought with
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554 worry. There is a strong traditional sentiment which will hopefully sur-
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555 vive western influences. Thanks for your comment and concern.
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556
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557 TMA: Thank you for reiterating what I pointed out on the previous disk.
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558 An individuals beliefs should (and ultimately are, regardless of any ex-
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559 ternal opposing efforts) a matter of free choice; and, furthermore, no
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560 religion or devotees thereof should be favored or disfavored by the gov-
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561 erning authorities. I certainly hope that American (and a number of other)
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562 government(s) will some day see it our way!
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563 Regarding your other point; that atheists and non-christians in general
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564 view Christians as prejudiced and closed-minded, again I think that you
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565 are largely correct. I cannot speak for all non-christians, but it has
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566 been my observation that the considerable number of Christians I have
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567 known did, indeed, appear extremely prejudice and closed-minded. I am
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568 still holding out hope, however, for the Christian with whom I can reason
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569 intelligibly. It has long been my feeling theat even if my life were
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570 otherwise the epitomy of "pitdom",
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571 the saving of only one soul from Christianity would make it all worth while.
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572
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573 Nancy: Personally I approve of premarital sex only for procreational
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574 or recreational purposes. Drop by my apartment sometime and we can dis-
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575 cuss it in detail.
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576 Well, I don't suppose you left this message with the intention of
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577 receiving jokes in response, so I will give you a serious answer too, though
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578 I doubt that you will like it (in its entirity, anyway). I would ask that
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579 if you wish to use any portion of my response as amunition against your
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580 father, that you use the whole thing (which, unfortunately, might not be
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581 too effective).
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582 I have not the slightest objection, moral or otherwise, to premarital
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583 sex, as "performed" (if you will allow me the use of that sometimes con-
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584 troversial term) by consenting and responsible adults. The word "consent-
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585 ing", I think is rather straight forward, but perhaps "responsible" and
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586 "adult" require some clarification. I define neither in terms of age,
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587 although there is somewhat of a correlation. In my opinion "adult" ref-
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588 ers to one who has developed the ability to apply his conscience and/or
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589 common sense to the regulation of his actions. If I may interject a slight
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590 diversion here, I just realized that I have never met a Christian adult.
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591 "responsible" indicates a natural tendancy to use that ability to obtain
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592 pertinent information and consider the possible outcomes of an action
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593 before "performing" it. Perhaps age is not a factor, but your father
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594 believes that you or your partner do not fit the above description (or
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595 his version thereof). .....Pardon, I did not intend a pun in the use of
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596 the word "outcomes" above; perhaps I should have said "consequences". ....
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597 Anyway, my opinion is that if you live in your parents house, and are
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598 supported by them, then it is their responsibility to evaluate whether
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599 or not you are a "responsible adult" and you are subject to the rules of
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600 the house. Try walking your St. Bernard past the lobby to your penthouse
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601 suite at the Hilton Hotel and see how far you get! If, however, you are
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602 supporting yourself then the determinaton as to your "responsibility"
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603 and "adulthood" should be your own.
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604 Though I don't know your father, by the way, I think most fathers
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605 are equally approving or disapproving regardless of the kids gender.
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606 Also, though this will probably sound terribly conservative, I sug-
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607 gest that you think back, sometime, on the things your parents have done
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608 for you and consider what their motives were for doing so. Even the worst
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609 of parents gives insurmountably more than he ever receives. This is an-
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610 other aspect of this society that turns my stomach. The old, who appear
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611 to have outlived their usefulness, instead of receiving the care and re-
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612 spect they have earned are disregarded and typically shipped to a warehouse,
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613 called a "nursing home" where they can spend the rest of their lives sit-
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614 ting in a chair, staring at the wall, or if they are lucky out the window,
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615 until they rot to death.
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616 Anyway, my point is what could possibly motivate a sane person to
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617 endure the drudgery and frustration of raising a kid? I think it is sel-
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618 dom anything less than a strong desire for the kid's well-being.
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619 I too derive considerable enjoyment from sex, but there are things
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620 even more gratifying. If I can think of one within the next two weeks,
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621 I'll let you know. Seriously, I have been a victim of abstinence due to
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622 abscence for more than a year and I can assure you that humping is not
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623 one of the basic essentials of life (the FDA has not even established
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624 a MRDA on it), and contrary to popular belief, nothing withers up and
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625 falls off.
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626
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627 Dirty Ol' Man
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628
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629 ~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM
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