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1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask....
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2 ************************ REMOVED: 7 DEC 83 *************************
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3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator
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4 ************************************************************
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5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION PLACED ON
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6 THIS SYSTEM.
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7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privatly owned
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8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public.
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9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system.
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10 It is intended that the system be normally used for messages and
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11 advertisments by the users. As the system is privatly owned, I retain the
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12 right to remove any and all messages which I may find offensive
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13 to me. Additionally because of the limited size of the system, it will be
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14 periodically purged of older messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved)
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15 The saved information will be cycled to drive 'B' while the information on
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16 drive 'B' will be archived, and a fresh disk will be installed in drive 'A'.
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17 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out
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18 of the enter mode. The message is automaticly stored.
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19 If after entering the message you find you made a mistake,
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20 use the replace command to replace the line.
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21 To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up.
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22 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system.
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23 ==============================================
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25 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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26
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27 Well good patrons .........
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28 as of yet I have not seen any comments or suggestions for a place to
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29 congregate for the NON-PIZZA party.....
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30 has the interest vanished in that pursuit ???????????????????????????????
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31
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32
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33 Do we have any volunteers to coordinate this venture ?????
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34
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35 ::::::::::::::::::Alex ( very tired ):::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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36 Here's one vote for Hayden's Island--but tell us how to get there, Alex!
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37 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
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38 In reply to Leonard and Mikey, I'd like
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39 to make a few observations. Leonard
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40 seems to have a propensity to cite
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41 "official" sources for his data, like
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42 retired military officers and Congres-
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43 sional hearings. Some one a while back
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44 this board said 1984 was completely off
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45 for our situation. Official sources
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46 gave us an excellent example of NEW-
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47 s
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48 SPEAK during the invasion of Grenada.
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49 Reagan and UN Ambassador were for
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50 calling the invasion a "rescue mission"
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51 while reporters were banned from the
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52 island. There has been a virtual
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53 blackout of news from Grenada on how
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54 Reagan's installed gov't is restoring
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55 "democracy", altho we do know that
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56 public meetings are banned, arrest with-
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57 out warrants are allowed and there is
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58 press censorship. Also Reagan calls
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59 the Marines in the Middle East
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60 "peacekeepers." Ronald Reagan is the
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61 perfect president to take us into 1984
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62 with his public relations and acting
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63 abilities bent toward telling us that
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64 war is peace, freedom is slavery and
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65 ignorance is strength. To the person
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66 who said 1984 didn't apply, when did
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67 you last say something contrary to the
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68 government position, try to really
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69 exercise freedom of press and speech?
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70 You won't find out how free or unfree
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71 you are until you have to exercise
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72 those freedoms. Then you will find
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73 them under attack and limited unless you
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74 have a lot of money and are saying the
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75 approve things.
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76 One other item. Recently Reagan held
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77 a little ceremony to award Richard
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78 Helms the National Security Medal for
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79 "exceptional meritorious service".
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80 Helms was head of the CIA when the
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81 democratically elected government of
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82 Salvador Allende of Chile was
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83 overthrown. Helms was thrown out of
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84 office because he wouldn't reveal even
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85 to Congress the involvement of the CIA
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86 with the overthrow. The CIA funneled
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87 $8 million and other resources into the
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88 overthrow. Helms said at the ceremony
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89 that he felt exonerated and observed
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90 that the CIA didn't really have any
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91 political constituency, that it was
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92 either protected by the presidency or
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93 it wasn't and that the temptation to
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94 use covert operations in a democratic
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95 country was a "dilemma."
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96 As I said, Reagan is a great one to
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97 take us into 1984. And I'm not
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98
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99 surprised that Sagan is "refuted" at
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100 Congressional hearing by "experts."
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101
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102 +-+-+-+-+-+-+ BLUE COLLAR +-+-+-+-+-+-+-
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103
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104 Agreed. If "experts" are to be quoted, we should hear who these experts are.
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105 If "high officials" are used to refute or support a statement, how can we
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106 accept the comments if we can't verify to our own satisfaction the qualifi-
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107 cations of the un-named "officials"? I can make any statement I want if I
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108 can use quotes from "experts" that only exist in my imagination and don't
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109 have to supply any more information. Actually, I have it on high authority
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110 from a knowlegeable expert at NASA that the moon is made of green cheese,
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111 and the entire space program has actually been a lie, all the films, pictures,
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112 et cetera, were shot in a secret studio in Los Gatos, California. He also
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113 told me that John Kennedy is actually alive and living in sin in Bolivia
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114 with Amelia Earhardt, Judge Crater, and Adolf Hitler. And I've proven this
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115 by quoting an expert, so nyah, nyah, nyah!
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116
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117 (me)(me)(me)(me)(me)(me)(me)(me)(me)(me)(me)(me)(me)(me)(me)(me)(me)(me)(me)(me)
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118 HEE HEE HO HO HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!a!!
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119 ****************************************************************
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120 **BILL THE CAT LIVES** !!!!!!!!!
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121
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122 ******************FROM: THOSE WHO KNOW******************************************
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123
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124 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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125 We sailed away. We walked two
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126 thousand miles and then we slipped
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127 away. We looked so hard, but couldn't
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128 seem to find just what the world was
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129 for. Now we know just what the journey's
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130 for.
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131
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132 Looking out to the stars. Think about
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133 what you are. Whay
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134 Looking out to the stars. Think about
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135 what you are. What do they think of you?
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136 Animals in thier zoo. Thay haven't got the
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137 time. Landing is not on thier minds. How
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138 do we have the nerve? We're animals in
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139 preserve.
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140
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141 They watch us all. They're only making
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142 sure that we don't trip and fall. They
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143 look so hard. Bbut they can't tell us why
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144 they're here and just what for? Becuase
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145 they don't know who opened up the door.
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146
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147 How can we find out more? Who owns
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148 the keyless door? Where does the circle
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149 end? Who are the unwatched men? Where do
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150 we go from here? Faith is a fading fear.
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151 Life is a waiting room. I hope they don't
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152 call me soon.
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153
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154 How much more do you reink you
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155 know than a lover does about who's behind
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156 the door?
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157
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158 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MERLYN<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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160 OF
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162 list
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164 Who says their (we or whomever) are making warrantless arrest in Grenada?
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165 Why not a rescue mission, would rather they share your privelege of speach or
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166 the privelege of legance to a military power?
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167
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168 Why would anyone that does not use his own name wish to meet with others for
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169 food. Will all where masks?
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170
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171 George Lurker
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173 [][][][][][][][][][][][] 2146 12/1/83 [][][][][][][][][][]
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175 Preposterous !!!!!
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176 Los Gatos is not big enough to support such an operation.
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177 Perhaps in San Jose, where they have the dirigible hangers for the
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178 wide shots ?
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179
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180 PAM: Check after sunday next, I will have some new DLs.
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181
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182 [][][][][][][][][][][][] DJJ [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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186 Hey there,
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187 I decided to turn on the ol' modem and give you guys a call,
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188 since I seemingly dropped out of sight to go to Western
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189 Washington University in Bellingham. (Steve Neighorn, take
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190 note. How's your Mod I?)
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191 But alas, phone rates are heavy this time of night, so I think
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192 I shall leave you with this:
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193
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194 Never mind.
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195 -Andy Gillcrist, 2243 12/1/83-
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199 HEY! Somebody else used my boarder. Isn't anything sacred anymore!
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200 OK Leonard...I have a question for you. Where did you get this weapon's effect
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201 chart you speak of? One the subject of civil defense. I have been privy to
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202 a certain amount of local civil defense, through a former civil defense
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203 worker, who now works for another department in the city of Portland. Let me
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204 clarify this source by saying I did not make this up(what in the hell would
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205 I have to gain?), he is not a disgrunteled employee, and if you don't believe
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206 what I am saying, that's your business. But damnation I get sick of people
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207 who go "nay nay nay"! Anyway, the state of Portland's civil defense
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208 readyness is a sad state of affairs indeed. Rocky Butte, which has a semi
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209 complete complex built for city 'officials' has fallen under heavy budget
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210 setbacks. It seems like the people who make the desicions on where the money
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211 goes don't really care about 'the day after'. One thing I thought was funny
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212 in 'TDA', is that the prez survived, of course. It kind of reminds me of
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213 'Dr. Stranglove' when Peter Sellers is telling the other generals about how
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214 desirable life underground in bunkers would be, especially when he started
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215 telling them how they would have to re-populate the earth. Back to the subject,
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216 food stores that are supposed to be kept up in and around the city have been
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217 for the most part abandonded. City Civil Defense now consists of a small
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218 office staffed by a few people who are probably kept on for the sake of
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219 politics. In essence, there is NO organized civil defense. It will be everyone
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220 who is left for him or her self. I am not saying I condone the actions of some
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221 of the survivalists, but I think I can see their point of view. Imagine a
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222 nuclear war sans 'Nuclear Winter'. A few survivors head out on hwy 26 in search
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223 of a better place than the gutted city. In Eastern Oregon they encounter a
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224 group of well-fortified building(well fortified enough to keep people like
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225 these out). These people are hungry, and desperate. They will of course try
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226 to get into these buildings. They will act like animals. Look at the cabbage
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227 doll incidents. The survivalists inside the building had enough thought to prepa
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228 re for the worse. They have food, water, supplies, and yes, ammunition, to keep
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229 out city dwellers from taking what isn't theirs. Total anarchy. If nuclear
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230 war is going to be like 'TDA', the survivalists will be the only survivors. I
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231 imagine I'll get quite a few negative responses to this, but I guess that is
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232 the price for expressing your opinion. Take it away Leonard and others...
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234 PS To Jody. I'll talk to you more at the party. See you then!
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236 RE: TDA
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237
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238 "TO BE OR NOT TO BE, THAT'S THE QUESTION"
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239 *********THE CRUSIFIER*******************************************
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242 LUKE: MATBE YOU WILL AND THEN AGAIN MAYBE YOU WONT. WE'LL HAVE TO SEE
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243 THEN. I THOUGHT IT WAS A LITTLE JUVINILLE TO BE GOING 'NYAH NYAH NYAH'
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244 MYSELF BUT IT WAS A LITTLE FUNNY. DON'T YOU HAVE A SENCE OF HUMOR??
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245 (no, I didn't think so.)
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246
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247 ----------------------------------------JODY------------------------------------
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248
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249 Luke --- you're just a little off on your reference
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250 to a civil defense hide out for city officials at
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251 Rocky Butte. It was actually built at Kelly Butte
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252 back in the bomb shelter '50s. And rather than having
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253 fallen into a state of disrepair, it has been converted
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254 to the communications center for city & county police
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255 and ambulance dispatchers, so it's really not being
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256 put to an unsuitable use.
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257
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258 Historically, Portland had one of the bigger civil
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259 defense programs -- with the sirens that went off
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260 every noon and kids in schools having practice drills
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261 putting their heads under the hands (honest!). There was even
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262 at one time an evactuation of the city the was given
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263 national news coverage, but only because it created
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264 a massive traffic jam.
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265
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266 Portland had, and probably still has, a system of
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267 controlling the traffic lights, so that all the
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268 outward bound signals can be locked on green while
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269 all cross traffic is locked on red. It once was
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270 tripped accidentally during morning rush hour and
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271 was great for those coming from Gresham to Portland
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272 but lousy for those trying to go up 39th.
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274 Civil defense was dealt a resounding death blow in
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275 Oregon in about 1962 (or '63). That was the year of
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276 the Columbus Day storm. It wiped out all power in Portland
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277 and Salem and completely blocked all vehicular traffic
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278 because of downed trees. People assumed this was a
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279 classic "civil" defense scenario, even though it
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280 was not nuclear. They expected the large civil
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281 defense operation to organize relief, to coordinate
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282 emergency measures, to broadcast information, etc.
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283 None of it happened. Relief came from the people
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284 themselves, the city governments, and the utility
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285 companies primarily. Civil defense was widely
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286 criticized afterwards and never again was able to
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287 justify budgets as big as what they had previously
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288 gotten.
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289
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290 The feeling seemed to be, if they couldn't handle
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291 a wind storm they probably wouldn't be a lot of
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292 help in a nuclear attack.
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293
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294 - POPS -
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296 **********************************************************
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297 Blue Collar: I didn't give the officer's name because I am still trying to find
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298 the magazine the interview was in (ya see it's like this... I get about 12
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299 different magazines every month. I only have "proper" files for 4 of them. The
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300 rest are all stacked in corners etc. I AM LOOKING. When I find it I will not
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301 only give his name, I will give DIRECT QUOTES.)
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302
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303 As for the Weapons effect Charts, part was from an article on the Plowshare
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304 program, part was from a Nuclear war simulation & part was from other sources
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305 I had notes from the other sources on the back of the weapons effect chart from
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306 the simulation. If you wish I can see about getting the "official
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307 charts", but it may take some time. (while _I_ am quite confident that my
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308 figures are within a factor of 2, I can see that _YOU_ might have some doubts).
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309 To avoid argument YOU had better tell ME what sources you will accept for the
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310 data! There are a couple of Army field manuals I intend to order anyway that may
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311 fit the bill.
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312 Here is a partial refiguring of the causualty radius for that 4 Gigaton Blast.
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313 Since NO chart I have ever seen goes that high I will use the square cube law to
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314 extrapolate from an existing chart.
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315 4 Gigaton = 4 Million Kilo
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316 so by square cube law effects of a 4 Gton blast will be 100 times those of a
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317 4 kton. According to FM 101-31-1 (Staff Officers' Field Manual Nuclear Weapons
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318 Employment Doctrine And Procedures) Appendix E (Analysis of freindly Vulner-
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319 ability) a 3 kton blast will cause 5% causualties among troops in the open at a
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320 range of 2000 meters, a 5 kton at 2500 meters. Lets say a 4 kton will do it
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321 at 2250 meters. Okay, 2250 x 100 = 225000 meters or 225 kilometers(!). Gee, I
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322 maybe I did drop a decimal! However that cavity size figure was based on a
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323 Plowshare test and still stands!
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324 Note by the way that the "5%" distance for a 1 kton blast is 1200 meters, but
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325 for a 1 Mton blast is 23,000 meters (seems to go up faster than
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326 square cube but slower
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327 than inverse square? hmmm.) The increase varies from 19.16666 for exposed
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328 personnel to 3.125 for tank crews. (quick, where can I get a tank!)
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329 Luke: (I think) I am all to well aware of the state of Civil Defense. Another
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330 problem related to the ones you mentioned is that what few funds ARE
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331 appropriated are usually diverted to "more important" needs.
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332 ALL: When buying "survival" books - WATCH OUT- I have one book I paid $5-10
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333 for (don't remember exact amount) 1/3 of it is reprints of old CD do-it-yourself
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334 shelter plans (many of which say "Kit # XYZ, see your local hardware store to
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335 order" of course no one has produced the kit in 15 years but...)
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336 Much of the rest turns out to have been copied word-for-word from government
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337 publications. If I'd looked thru it carefully BEFORE I bought it
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338 I wouldn't have. (the documents in question MIGHT have cost me $2.00)
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339 So, just as with anything else check it out THEN decide.
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340 Finally, as to that 20 Mton blast someone was saying Portland is due for. Here
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341 are some figures FOR A 20-MEGATON BLAST from that book.
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342 Zone A-Complete destruction 5 miles
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343 Zone B-Buildings are so badly damaged that they must be demolished and replaced.
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344 10 miles
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345 Zone C-Buildings must be vacated for repair 15 miles
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346 Zone D-Buildings can be used while being repaired 20 miles
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347 (the above followed square cube EXACTLY when I checked ie for a 20 kton
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348 divide all the figures by 10)
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349 Thermal effects (from an airburst on a CLEAR DAY)(fat chance of THAT in Portland
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350 28 miles-3rd degree burns 32 miles-2nd degree burns 44 miles-1st degree burns
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351 (1st degree burns are your basic sunburn)(divide ranges by 20 for effects of 20
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352 kiloton blast)
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353 Ionizing Radiation
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354 2.3 miles 1000 roentgen (you'll be sick within an hour almost certainly die)
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355 2.6 miles 300 roentgen (sick within the day, 20% deaths within 2-6 weeks,
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356 survivors convalescent for 3 months)
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357 3.2 miles 30 roentgens (no obvious effects, possible long term effects)
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358 (since 5 miles is the "total" destruction radius, I think we can safely ignore
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359 the non-fallout radiation.)
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360 excerpted from Nuclear Survival by Everett Moore
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361 (some comments added by me)
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362 _______________________________Leonard__________________________________________
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363
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364 Anybody know where I can get the new Vietnamees cookbook
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365 "1001 Ways to Wok Your Dog?"
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367 88888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888
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368 [][][][][][][][][][] 1154 12/2/83 [][][][][][][][][]
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369 LEONARD: (OR ANYONE) Do you know where I can find a copy of level 7 ? Not
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370 the Library, and not a new bookstore. Powell ? Do they have a cat. system?
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371
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372 thanks.
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379 *************************************************************
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381 Dear Mr. FORREAL:
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387 Upon receiving your slanderous attacks upon the character of
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388 myself and my friends I chose to limit my participation in
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389 this august forum.
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391 I assumed, apparently wrongly, that in my enthusiasm for the
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392 potential of this novel form of expression I had violated
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393 some unexpressed taboo. I waited for you to offer some
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394 inspiring example of the appropriate high quality entry
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395 you so arrogantly demand. None was forthcoming.
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397 I tire of my vigil. If you don't offer some example of your
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398 brillance soon I have no alternative but to write you off as
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399 a fool.
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400
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401
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402 Cordially
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404 LeRoy McKane
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405 Computer Club President
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406 Oregon State Penitentiary
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417 LEONARD: IF WE'RE ALL GOING TO BE BLOWN UP ANYWAY WHAT
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418 DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE HOW BIG THE RESULTING HOLE WILL BE?
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419
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420
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421 '''''''''''''''''''''''''GROUND ZERO ZACHERY'''''''''''''''
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422 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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423 WELL NOW!
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424
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425 I VOTE FOR THE PLACE ON HAYDEN ISLAND. THE BUS GOES TO VANCOUVER AND STOPS,
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426 I THINK, AT HAYDEN ISLAND. WHY DON'T THOSE FOR WHOM THIS IS A CONCERN CALL
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427 THEM AND FIND OUT. THEN THOSE OF US WHO WILL BE DRIVING CAN ARRANGE TO GIVE
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428 LIFTS IF THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THAT. THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A REAL
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429 PROBLEM, I THINK.
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430
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431 I GUESS THIS SATURDAY IS OUT. HOW ABOUT NEXT SATURDAY? THE OTHER PLACES
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432 THAT WERE MENTIONED ARE TAVERNS AND BARS AND THUS DO NOT FIT THE BILL FOR
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433 ALL OF US. LETS DO IT BEFORE IT SNOWS. ALSO RE: DOM. I'D LIKE TO WAIT
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434 TOO BUT SUSPECT HE HAS CHANGED HIS NOM-DE-TERMINAL. ALSO RE: LEADERSHIP.
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435 THIS PARTY WAS MY IDEA AND I AM DOING WHAT I CAN TO CONTINUE TO PRESS THE
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436 ISSUE BUT YOU ALL ARE NOT EXACTLY THE AVERAGE WELL ORGANIZED HERD, YOU
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437 KNOW.
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438
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439 PAM, MIKEY, LEONARD. WILL RESPOND LATER TONIGHT TO REQUESTS FOR INFO/DOUBTS
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440 ABOUT MY SANITY ETC. HAVE JUST RECEIVED CALL FROM STRANDED PERSON NEEDING
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441 RIDE AND MUST GO NOW.
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442
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443 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!PARTY'N MARTY HROTHGAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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444 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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445
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446 Good Sir < Hrothgar >
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447 You are officialy nominiated by my-self to coordinate this conclave
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448 of Poets & Warriors .
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449
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450 To get to MT Bottle & Deli - From Portland
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451
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452 I-5 North .... take first right off F-way on Hayden Isl. ( the only
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453 one ) ....then next right ( Tomahawk Dr. ) then next right ( parall to
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454 I-5 you should be headed south by now ) follow the road around under the
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455 bridge take your first right ( into parking lot )
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456 And ....... there it is.
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457
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458 on your left ..Cal-Marine on your right Ye olde State booze shoppe
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459
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460 :::::::::::::::::::::::Alex::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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461 Did anyone else receive the nice letter from U.S. Bankruptcy Court announcing
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462 November 18 protection of JRT Systems (the Pascal rascal) under Chapter 11?
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463 Ah, mail order...Dave
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464 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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465 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 02 Dec 83 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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466 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 19:35 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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467 Bravo, Hroth & Alex! Not only have we a willing leader; we have
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468 established the place for this motley crew to converge upon--what, next
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469 Saturday? I have no quarrel with that--but lets take a quick survey.
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470 All in favor raise your hand! Okay, all opposed must bellow "Nay!"
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471 at the extremity of your lungs so we all can hear you. There, did
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472 YOU hear anything? Neither did I; so Saturday December 10th it is!
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473 (No? Better speak up fast, and address our local Colonel with your
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474 appeal, for I, for one, have had enough of this hemming & hawing!)
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475 Regarding the discontented murmering over whatever subject is
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476 prevailing, I ask the complainers to consider the effect of their
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477 grumbling: if your intent was to stifle all controversy, all lively
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478 discussion, its effective! But tell me, O negative voices, why you
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479 come to the Inn? Surely it is not for the good ale, or the crackling
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480 fire that once burned in the hearth? You do not come to enjoy the
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481 silence, do you? Yet your dissent has caused the friendly roar to
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482 wither to the state it is now: a few antagonists argue fiercely in the
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483 corner; haphazard pieces of song trail out of a figure who wandered in
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484 out of the rain; a joke causes a brief ripple of laughter...but for
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485 the most part, the patrons sit in glum solitude...
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486 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> d <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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487 HAY YOU GUYS (GIRLS INCLUDED)! HOW DOES ONE GO ABOUT JOINING
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488 THE CONVERSATION? I GOT YOUR NUMBER FROM A FRIEND WHO IN TURN
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489 GOT IT FROM A FRIEND, ETC, ETC. ANYHOW, I'M ANDRE BJORNSKOV
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490 IN LAKE OSWEGO, AND I7LL CALL IN FROM TIME TO TIME, TO KEEP
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491 ABREAST OF THE WAR! I WOULDN'T MIND JOINING EITHER.
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492 THANKS, ANDRE.
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493 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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494 WELL NOW!
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495
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496 O.K., THIS IS IT - SATURDAY, DECEMBER 10, THE M.T. BOTTLE&DELI !!!
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497 ABOUT 2PM WOULD GIVE US TIME TO GET BACK FROM CHURCH, WORK OFF OUR
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498 FRI NITE HANGOVERS OR WHATEVER, WOULD IT NOT? THIS WILL BE THE OFFICIAL
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499 BWMS PARTY DATE AND TIME.
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500
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501 MIKEY: COULD YOU PLEASE PUT THIS DATE&TIME INTO THE DISK HEADER FOR A WHILE?
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502
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503 PAM: ...hrothgar, taking the throne,led
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504 the danes to such glory that comrades and kinsmen
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505 swore by his sword, and young men swelled
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506 His armies, and he thought of greatness and resolved
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507 to build a hall that would hold his mighty
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508 band, and reach higher toward heaven than anything
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509 that had ever been known to the sons of men.
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510 And in that hall he'd divide the spoils
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511 of their victories, to old and young what they'd earned
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512 in battle, but leaving the common pastures untouched, and
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513 taking no lives. The work was ordered, the timbers tied
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514 and shaped, by the hosts that Hrothgar ruled. It was
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515 quickly ready, that most beautiful of buildings, built
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516 as He'd wanted, and then He
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517 whose name was obeyed all over the earth named it
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518 Herot
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519
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520 this is a guy who knew how to party.
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521 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HROTHGAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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522 P.S. HAVE SPENT LAST 2 HOURS LOOKING THROUGH MAGAZINES FOR 4000 MEGATON
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523 REFERENCE WITH NO LUCK YET. MUST NEXT GO TO GARAGE. AM MAKING HONEST EFFORT.
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524 HAVE NO DOUBT ABOUT MY MEMORY ON THIS ONE THOUGH AS ARTICLE WAS LENGTHY
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525 AND REITERATED THE PARTICULARS A NUMBER OF TIMES. MOST NOTABLE WAS RUSSIAN
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526 BOAST THAT THEY COULD HAVE MADE IT MUCH BIGGER BUT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN
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527 POINTLESS. NOTE THAT THIS EXPLOSION WAS REPORTED AS HAVING BEEN RECORDED
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528 IN THE WEST. ALSO, SIZE OF HOLE MADE IS FRUITLESS SPECULATION AS THE
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529 DEVICE WAS SET OFF ON OR IN A MILE THICK ICE SHELF. THIS WOULD JUST FILL UP
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530 AND FREEZE AGAIN. AS FAR AS CREATING A VOLCANO IS CONCERNED, THE THING
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531 WOULD FIRST HAVE TO PUNCH THROUGH A MILE OF ICE, A COUPLE MORE OF WATER,
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532 AND FORTY MILES OF ROCK TO DO THAT, AS WELL AS HAVING TO BE SET OFF OVER
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533 A UPWELLING CONVECTION CURRENT, I SHOULD THINK. ALSO NOTE THAT SHAPED
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534 NUCLEAR CHARGES ARE POSSIBLE.
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535 AS TO THE SIZE OF CHARGES TO BE USED, WE OUGHT TO NOTE AGAIN ANOTHER
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536 REASON WHY THE RUSSIANS USE BIGGER ONES THAN US. THAT IS THAT THE RUSSIAN
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537 CITIES ARE MORE SPREAD OUT THAN OURS. WE CONSEQUENTLY HAVE A STRATEGY
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538 BUILD AROUND A GREATER NUMBER OF SMALLER WEAPONS INTENDED TO BLANKET
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539 AN AREA. ON THE OTHER HAND, AMERICAN CITIES ARE NICELY CONCENTRATED, AND
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540 MAKE EXCELLENT TARGETS FOR WEAPONS IN THE 10-100 MEGATON RANGE.
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541 HOW ABOUT THIS GAME: LETS CALL IT "FRY AMERICA"
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542 THE GAME BOARD IS 2000 BY THREE THOUSAND MILES. THE SQUARES ON THIS BOARD
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543 ARE 25 MILES ON A SIDE. AT THE CORNERS OF EACH SQUARE, 25 MILES APART,
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544 DROP AN H-BOMB. THIS WILL REQUIRE LESS THAN 10,000 BOMBS. THE FURTHEST
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545 AWAY FROM A BOMB ANY INHABITANT CAN GET WILL BE AT THE CENTER OF A SQUARE.
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546 THIS DISTANCE IS GIVEN BY THE HYPOTENEUSE OF TWO SIDES OF THE SQUARE, THE
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547 RESULT DIVIDED BY TWO. AT THE CENTER OF THE SQUARE WE FIND THAT WE ARE
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548 SURROUNDED BY FOUR NEARBY NUCLEAR EXPLOSIONS, AT A DISTANCE OF
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549 17 2/3 MILES. GETTING A LITTLE WARM OUT HERE, ISN'T IT? THEN THERE ARE
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550 VISIBLE IN THE FURTHER DISTANCE 10 MORE NUCLEAR WEAPONS AT THE NEXT
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551 FURTHER OUT INTERSECTIONS OF THE GRID. WEATHERS GETTING POSITIVELY
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552 BEASTLY, ISN'T IT.
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553 SOMEONE TELL ME HOW YOU CAN FIND A LIVING THING LEFT IN THE U.S.
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554 (OR USSR) AFTER THAT GAME HAS BEEN PLAYED.
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555 NOTE THAT THE TOTAL NUMBER OF WEAPONS ON BOTH SIDES IS OVER
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556 TWICE THE NUMBER REQUIRED FOR OUR GAME TO BE PLAYED ON BOTH CONTINENTS.
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557 SO EACH SIDE COULD LOSE MORE THAN FIFTY PERCENT OF THE WEAPONS AND STILL
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558 PLAY A COMPLETE GAME.
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559 QUESTION #1: WHAT IS THE TEMP. AT THE CENTER OF THE SQUARE.
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560 QUESTION #2: HOW MUCH OF THE OXYGEN IN THE ATMOSPHERE WILL BE CONSUMED
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561 IN THE COMBUSTION OF ALL THE HYDROCARBONS (INCLUDING US) ON THE
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562 SURFACE OF THE TWO NATIONS (AND EUROPE)
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563 QUESTION #3: WHAT QUANTITY OF DUST, SMOKE, ETC WILL BE IN THE ATMOSPHERE
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564 AFTER THE EXPLOSIONS.
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565 QUESTION #4: GIVEN THAT QUANTITY, AND THE DATA THAT THE ERUPTION OF
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566 KRAKATAU IN 1883 EJECTED ~20 CUBIC KILOMETERS OF ASH WHICH
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567 RESULTED IN LOWERING TEMPERATURES ~1 DEGREE FOR MONTHS AFTERWARD,
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568 AND GIVEN THAT MEASUREMENTS OF OTHER VOLCANIC ERUPTIONS YIELD
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569 SIMILAR AND FAIRLY CONSISTANT FIGURES OVER THE LAST 100 YEARS FOR
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570 VOLCANIC ERUPTIONS (SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN 11/83, "THE ERUPTION OF
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571 KRAKATAU", P 172) (WHEW!)
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572
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573 WELL THEN: HOW COLD WILL THE ASHES GET? (OR MAYBE, HOW COLD WILL THE
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574 TAHITIANS GET)
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575
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576 MAYBE THE HEAT IS EASIER TO CALCULATE? LEONARD?
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577 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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578 I volunteer to do the calculations of the freeziness caused by a massive
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579 nuclear exchange. First, as I recall, there are about 50,000 warheads in the world. Assume that the average size is
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580 1 Mton (this is probably an over-estimate), so the total amount of explosive energy is 50 Gtons. Now, as I recall from
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581 somewhere, for every equivalent kton of blast there will arise .5 ktons of crud into the atmosphere in a ground burst.
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582 So we can assume that a complete, 100% effective set of ground bursts will result in 25Gtons of stuff in the air.
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583 And 25 Gtons is 2.3 E13 kilograms, or if you assume an average specific gravity of 3.5, then an equivalent volume of 6.5 E9
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584 cubic meters, or 6.5 cubic kilometers, which would be about 1 cubic mile of debris. If Krakatau spat out 20 cubic kilometers,
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585 this is three times my crude estimate. Since the figure quoted above indicated a lowering of temperature of 1 degree for
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586 Krakatau, a total nuclear exchange might result in .3 degrees.
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587 I realize that I've probably ignored something here, like the particulate size, effectiveness of dispersion, etc, but it
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588 seems that perhaps the problem isn't quite as bad as some have said.
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589 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Anon :::::::::::::
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590 What is the effect on the temperature of the Portland City Council
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591 chambers when Hizzoner Chicken Lips Ivancie spouts oral volcanic ash?
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592 ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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593 #=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=
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594 NULEAR WAR.. WHAT A BORE! WHY DON'T HIPPIES TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK OF
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595 THE SONG LYRIS I WRITE ON HERE. THEY AREN'T JUST TO TAKE UP SPACE YOU FOOLS!
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596 THEY HAVE DAMN GOOD MESSAGES IN THEM IF YOU TAKE THE TIME TO READ THROUGH
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597 THEM. LIKE THE ONE ON 'DB'. ITS ABOUT FIGHTING. IDON'T BE SO LIMITED IN YOUR
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598 OPINIONS. PULL YOUR HEADS OUT AND LOOK FOR SOMETHING CREATIVE TO SAY. DON'T
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599 USE THE PARTY AS AN EXCUSE TO SAY THAT YOU HAVE SAID SOMETHING DIFFERENT
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600 EITHER. ALL THAT LEADS TO IS SELF GRATIFICATION. ALTHOUGH THAT IS WHAT MAKES
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601 THE WORLD GO AROUND YOU DAYDREAMERS MUST HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO DO IN YOUR
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602 SPARE TIME THAT DEBATE AND RESTATE WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID. WHY DON'T YOU
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603 SAY SOMETHING THAT CALP US ALL? ARE YOU MINDLESS MACHINES?
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604 CAN'T YOU DO SOMETHING ELSE BUT REPEAT YOURSELVES? UGH YOU PEOPLE GIVE ME
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605 A HEADACHE. GET OFF OF IT. WE ALMOST HAD A OOD SUBJECT GOING.
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606 IT WAS ABOUT THE TERM 'HACKER'. THAT COULD HAVE BEEN EXPANDED ON. I DON'T
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607 THINK IT WOULD BE HALF AS BAD IF YOU AT LEAST TALKED ABOUT NUCLEAR WAR EVERY
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608 OTHER DISK INSTEAD OF EVERY SINGLE DISK. I ASK NOT FOR A REPLY.
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609
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610 JUST THINK ABOUT IT. DON'T GET HOSTILE. USE YOU HEADS (FOR A CHANGE).
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611
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612 *=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=MERLYN=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*
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613
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614 I agree. I really don'care to be apprised of the precise temperature
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615 of each individual cell in my body should a 10 megaton warhead
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616 land in my living room. How about some info on, say, sexual function
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617 after forty, or perhaps we could find out what Julia Child looks
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618 like upon arising? Does Johnny Carson really exist? But seriously,
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619 folks, what ever happened to the movement for a state lottery
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620 patterned after that of our neighbors? Anyone for a quick
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621 million bucks?
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622 JIMBO DA BIMBO
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623
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624 ----------------------------
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625 How about the private message thing? Did that die?
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626 #############################################################
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627 *************************************************************
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628
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629 d: point well taken. I'll behave myself. leroy
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