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1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask....
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2 ******************** REMOVED: 3 DEC 83 ******************************
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3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator
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4 ************************************************************
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5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION PLACED ON
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6 THIS SYSTEM.
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7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privatly owned
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8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public.
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9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system.
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10 It is intended that the system be normally used for messages and
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11 advertisments by the users. As the system is privatly owned, I retain the
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12 right to remove any and all messages which I may find offensive
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13 to me. Additionally because of the limited size of the system, it will be
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14 periodically purged of older messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved)
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15 The saved information will be cycled to drive 'B' while the information on
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16 drive 'B' will be archived, and a fresh disk will be installed in drive 'A'.
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17 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out
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18 of the enter mode. The message is automaticly stored.
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19 If after entering the message you find you made a mistake,
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20 use the replace command to replace the line.
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21 To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up.
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22 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system.
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23 ========================================
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24
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25 First off, Level 7 is by Mordecai Roshwald (or something like that). It
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26 contains many GLARING technical errors, but these don't detract too much.
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27 Anon: Yes, I did mean 100. I was refering to the AREA affected. The square
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28 cube law is a simple geometric relationship. If you increase the LINEAR
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29 dimensions of something by N, all the AREAS involved will increase by N
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30 squared, and all the VOLUMES will increase by N cubed. The reverse also
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31 holds true. Example: If a 6 foot man weighs 200 pounds, a 12 foot man will
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32 have 8 times the volume & (assuming the same density) 8 times the weight.
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33 As for fire damage, some authorities feel that we have less to fear from
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34 firestorms than had previously been thought. Firestorms require a certain
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35 amount of flammable material per block (or acre, sq foot, etc). Modern
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36 construction, especially in the suburbs, is thought to fall below this
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37 level. There will still be massive fire damage, but the shock waves may
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38 actually help by putting out some of the outlying fires!
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39 Another point that needs to be cleared up is radiation damage. Someone was
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40 saying that radiation (not fallout!) from the blast would kill people far
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41 outside the fire & blast area. BULL****! If you are close enough to the
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42 blast to recieve a lethal dose of X-Rays or Gamma rays, you would be fried
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43 by the THERMAL radiation. (I am refering to "normal" weapons, not "neutron
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44 bombs"). By the way, most field commanders don't want the neutron bomb. A
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45 large percentage of the troops in a troop concentration large enough to
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46 use one on would recieve wouldn't recieve an IMMEDIATELY DISABLING dose.
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47 Many of them would be capable of fighting for several WEEKS before the
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48 effects became disabling. NO commander wants to face troops that KNOW they
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49 are dead already.
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50 __________________________________Leonard___________________________________
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51 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
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52 ATTN:
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53 BLANE HARTLEB
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54 I KNOW WHO YOU ARE AND WHAT YOU'RE DOING!
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55 AND SOON SO WILL THE PARKROSE SCHOOL DISTRICT
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56 START SWEATIN' CHUMP
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57 YOUR HACKIN' DAYS ARE ALMOST OVER
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58 <HEHE>
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59 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
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62 Personally, I really resent the current crop of juvinile criminals using
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63 the term "hacker" to describe their actions. Hackers have been around a
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64 long time, and the word comes from another slang word "hack", which means
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65 "a simple, elegant solution to a bug in a program or hardware". These new
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66 young computer users usually don't have much programming or engineering
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67 knowlege, but they do have the same desire for vandalism that seems to
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68 be present in many teenagers. Those that do have the knowlege have found
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69 that there is much more fun to be found in the creation of software and
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70 hardware than in the violation of on-line computers. If the above message
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71 is true, I hope they hang that young pirate from the highest yardarm,
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72 or perhaps a good keelhaul along the barnicles will enlighten him.
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73 Remember children, you are PIRATES, not hackers, and your activities
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74 are causing the entire computer field to become suspect.
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75
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76 /Elberich\
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77 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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78 You have expressed my sentiments, too, Elberich. Let us suggest that the
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79 term "electronic vandals" be used: the Vandals were indeed marauders, prone to wanton
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80 destruction of things good, overzealously pillaging and stealing. Maybe the
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81 current crop of immature computer barbarians will disappear with time as
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82 well. Remember, you EV-types, you don't control yourselves, someone else will
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83 do it, and we will all lose self-determination and individuality because of
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84 your thoughtless, though playful, acts.Dave
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85 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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86 ================================================================
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87 LUKE: CHECK DRIVE B FOR THE MESSAE I LEFT YOU. IT WILL BE FOUND RIGHT AFTER
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88 THE MESSAGE YOU LEFT ME.
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89 BYTE!
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90 ======================================-JODY-================================
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91
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92 ========================================
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93 I AM IN TOTAL AGREEMENT WITH THE MESSAGE FROM ELBERICH ABOVE.
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94 I HAPPEN TO BE A TEENAGE COMPUTER ENTHUSIAST BUT DO NOT ABUSE THE
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95 POWER OF THE COMPUTER BY "VANDALIZING" OTHER SYSTEMS. RATHER, I
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96 HAVE BECOME EXTREMELY INVOLVED WITH COMPUTER PROGRAMMING AND DO
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97 FIND IT VERY SATISFYING TO REEP A GOOD PROGRAM FROM LONG-HARD
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98 EFFORTS. I WOULD BE OVERJOYED IF WE COULD GET KIDS(?) OFF THE LINES
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99 WHEN THEY USE THEM FOR PURPOSES OF WREAKING HAVOC ON A COMPUTER
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100 SYSTEM, POSSIBLY COSTING SOMEONE A LARGE SUM OF MONEY AND WORK.
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101 IF WE COULD DIRECT THEIR ENERGY FROM "BREAKING IN" TO WRITING OR
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102 LEARNING TO WRITE (AND OR DESIGN) GOOD SOFTWARE...
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103 ===ERIK===
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105
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106 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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110 * L *
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111 * E *
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112 * R *
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124 graffitti by
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127 LeRoy and the Jerks
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130 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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131 ==============================================================
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133 FORREAL IS NOT REAL
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135 Plato
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137 ===============================================================
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138 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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139 There is only one way to obtain real-time data about nuclear war....
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140 The only varialble is what planet do we use (up)?
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141 Who wants to find out THAT bad?
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142 the Phantom Glitch
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144 v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^11/28/83v^19:12v^v^v^v^
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145 From: P.V. Jeltz
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146 To: All
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147 Subj. Hackers
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148 Bravo to those who described their opinion of the 'hacker' issue. The
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149 first time I heard the phrase was when I went to a eastern science school,
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150 one that you'd recognize if you heard the name. There, the term 'hacker'
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151 didn't even necessarily relate specifically to computers. You could be an
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152 audio hacker and design stereo-type circuitry, a microwave hacker and do
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153 things with that, or even a radio hacker. (Otherwise known as hams) I was
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154 an analog and digital circuit hacker, and at the time didn't care that much
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155 about computers themselves.
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156 The point is that the term 'hacker' has suffered two distortions in
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157 the last few years. First, it was viewed as referring only to computer-
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158 types, and second, recently used to refer to the computer vandals. I
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159 don't think the term will ever recover it's original meaning, but I hope
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160 that it at least will eventually lose all its negative connotations.
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161 -------------- Circuitry hacker and proud of it--------- P.V. Jeltz------
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162 WELL NOW!
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163 I HAD TO BE AWAY FOR A FEW DAYS AND THOUGHT THE PARTY WOULD BE OVER BY
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164 NOW! I VOTE FOR THE PLACE ON HAYDEN ISLAND, SATURDAY AFTERNOON.
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165
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166 WHERE ARE PAM AND DOM? ON ANOTHER BBS, MAYBE? I'M GONNA GET LOST HERE
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167 WITHOUT YOU FOR MY SOMETIMES ALLIES.
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168
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169 AS TO THE SIZES OF WEAPONS:
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170 1. THE AVERAGE TACTICAL WEAPON IS MEASURED IN KILOTONS, AND CAN BE
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171 DELIVERED BY CANNON FIRE. THE AVERAGE STRATEGIC WEAPON IN MEASURED IN
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172 MEGATONS. THE REASON RUSSIANS USE BIGGER ONES IS THAT THEIR BOOSTERS
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173 ARE BIGGER AND CAN LIFT THEM, ALSO LESS ACCURATE AND NEEDING THE SIZE.
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174 THE LARGEST WEAPON DETONATED SO FAR WAS OVER 4,000 MEGATONS, AND WAS
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175 SET OFF BY THE RUSSIANS NORTH OF THE ARCTIC CIRCLE. IT RATTELED WINDOWS
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176 IN MOSCOW. THE AVERAGE SIZE IS BROUGHT DOWN BY THE TACTICAL WEAPONS,
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177 BUT THESE ARE NOT FOR USE ON CITIES.........
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178 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HROTHGAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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182 All right Leonard...way to pour it one with the facts. I too have heard
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183 about the level of combusitble material being below what would be
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184 necessary for a fire storm ala Bresden and other WWII sights. But there
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185 still is enough material for a nice warm fire. Also the location and
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186 frequency of large quantities of flammable liquids(like gas stations and
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187 chemical sites) doesn't help the situation any. I have seen Civil Defense
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188 plans of the blast area in and around the Portland Metropolitan area. Of
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189 course this map was old, and I can't remember the exact size or sizes of
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190 the expected warheads, but the damage pattern was very scary. In this
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191 case, everything is a 5 mile radius was utterly destroyed. There was some
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192 relief to the west due to the location and heigth of the West Hills. 10
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193 miles out, severe fire and shock wave damage. Out to 20 miles,
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194 moderate damage. The center was some where along the west side of the
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195 Willamette river. With the size of weapons today, we can probably increase
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196 the kill radius a few miles. Skiers on Mt Hood would last a little
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197 longer considering their location. Any more interesting things to share
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198 with us oh guru of the bomb leonard?
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199 ||||||
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200 To Jody. Don't tell me the people in this band all have blonde hair too,
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201 then I might think they are another Police. Until tomorrow.
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202 |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Luke |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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205 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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206
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207 LEONARD, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU AS TO THE MOTIVES AND NATURE OF
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208 THE SOVIETS, BUT I FIND THAT THE STATEMENT ABOUT HIROSHIMA TO BE CONTRARY
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209 TO THE FACTS (THOUGH THE FACTS ARE LITTLE KNOWN DUE TO THE FEVER-PITCH
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210 OF EMOTION INVOLVED).
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211 THE UNITED STATES KNEW THAT THE END OF THE WAR AGAINST GERMANY
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212 WOULD BRING THE USSR INTO THE WAR AGAINST JAPAN, AND FELT THAT THIS
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213 ENTRY WOULD FORCE JAPAN INTO CAPITULATION. THE U.S. NAVY WANTED TO
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214 STARVE JAPAN INTO SUBMISSION BY BLOCKADE, AND THE ARMY AIR FORCES ARGUED
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215 FOR MASSIVE CONVENTIONAL BOMBING TO FORCE SURRENDER, BUT TRUMAN AND
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216 GENERAL MARSHALL BELIEVED THAT UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER WOULD ONLY COME
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217 ABOUT THROUGH TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF THE JAPANESE ARMY. AS THE ONLY WAY
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218 TO DESTROY IT WAS TO FIGHT IT, AN INVASION SEEMED THE ONLY OPTION. IN
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219 MARSHALL'S VIEW, IT WAS PREFERABLE TO HAVE THE RED ARMY SHED THEIR BLOOD
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220 THAN AMERICANS TO DO SO. AS TRUMAN PUT IT LATER "THE ENTIRE CAMPAIGN
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221 AGAINST JAPAN WAS BASED ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT WE WOULD NOT ATTEMPT TO
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222 ENGAGE THE MASSES OF THE JAPANESE ARMY WITH OUR GROUND FORCES".
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223 DURING THE LAST SIX MONTHS OF THE WAR, JAPAN KNEW IT WAS DEFEATED
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224 AND WAS FIGHTING ONLY TO AVOID THE HUMILIATION OF UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER.
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225 AS EARLY AS SEPTEMBER 1944, THE JAPANESE HAD APPROACHED THE SWEDISH
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226 MINISTER IN TOKYO AS AN INTERMEDIARY TO SEE WHAT TERMS THEY COULD GET.
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227 IN APRIL 1945, THEY ASKED THE SOVIETS FOR MEDIATION; THE RUSSIANS WERE
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228 THEN ANXIOUS TO ENTER THE WAR AGAINST JAPAN AS SOON AS THEIR TROOPS WERE
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229 READY, AND SO REFUSED IN ORDER TO HAVE A VOICE IN THE POST-WAR SETTLE-
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230 MENTS IN ASIA. THE UNITED STATES HAD LONG BROKEN THE JAPANESE CODES,
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231 AND KNEW THEY HAD ONE CONDITION FOR SURRENDER: THAT THE EMPEROR WOULD
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232 REMAIN. THE U.S. GOVERNMENT HAD ALREADY AGREED AMOUNG THEMSELVES THAT
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233 THE EMPEROR SHOULD STAY, SINCE HIS ELIMINATION WOULD BRING ON SOCIAL
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234 CHAOS. BUT FOR REASONS OF DOMESTIC MORALE AND POLITICS, THEY FELT IT
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235 NECESSARY TO HUMILIATE JAPAN AND DECIDED NOT TO INFORM THEM OF THE U.S.
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236 DECISION ABOUT THE EMPEROR.
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237 WITH THE SUCCESSFUL TEST OF THE FIRST ATOMIC BOMB, THE U.S. DECIDED
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238 THAT THEY COULD WIN THE WAR WITHOUT INVASIONS, AND ESPECIALLY WITHOUT
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239 RUSSIA, WHO WOULD USE THE EVENT TO MAKE GAINS IN THE FAR EAST. WHEN
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240 JAPAN REJECTED THE POTSDAM DECLARATION (AS IT CONTAINED NO GUARANTEE
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241 ON THE EMPEROR), TRUMAN GAVE THE ORDER TO DROP THE BOMB. AFTER THE
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242 SECOND BOMB WAS DROPPED, JAPAN STILL INSISTED ON THEIR CONDITION, AND
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243 THE U.S. REALIZED IT WAS ALL THEY COULD GET, SO THEY ACCEPTED IT.
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244 SO WHAT DID WE GAIN? SINCE JAPAN'S ONE CONDITION FOR SURRENDER
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245 AGREED WITH OUR OWN DESIRES (RETENTION OF THE EMPEROR), AN INVASION
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246 SIMPLY WASN'T NECESSARY. NEITHER HIROSHIMA OR NAGASAKI WERE MILITARY
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247 TARGETS, SO IT DID NOT CHANGE THE MILITARY SITUATION. THE BOMBS DIDN'T
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248 CHANGE JAPANESE FEELINGS ABOUT UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER. WHAT WE GOT WAS
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249 AN OCCUPIED JAPAN **WITHOUT** THE RUSSIANS. MY CONCLUSION? THE BOMBS
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250 WERE DROPPED IN ORDER TO SATISFY AN AMERICAN DESIRE FOR REVENGE FOR
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251 PEARL HARBOR, AND A NEED TO KEEP THE RUSSIANS OUT OF THE PACIFIC THEATRE,
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252 NOT TO SAVE AMERICAN LIVES.
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253
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254 HROTHGAR, I'VE BEEN ON THE SYSTEM TOO LONG NOW (AND TAKEN UP TOO
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255 MUCH SPACE), SO I'LL COMMENT LATER. BUT ARE YOU RELATED TO THE ANCIENT
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256 KING HROTHGAR THAT BUILT HEOROT?
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257
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258 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]PAM.[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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259
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260 P.S. MY SOURCES ARE:
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261 "ATOMIC DIPLOMACY" BY GAR ALPEROVITZ (SIMON AND SCHUSTER, NEW YORK 1965)
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262 "THE POLITICS OF WAR: THE WORLD AND UNITED STATES FOREIGN POLICY, 1943-1945"
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263 (BY GABRIEL KOLKO, RANDOM HOUSE, NEW YORK 1968)
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264 "AMERICA, BRITAIN, AND RUSSIA: THEIR CO-OPERATION AND CONFLICT, 1942-1946"
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265 (BY WILLIAM H. MCNEILL, OXFORD UNIVERSITY PRESS, 1953)
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266
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269 ----------------------------------------------------------------
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270 Luke: no, they are not all blonde. In fact.. the lead singer is a red-head.
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271 If you have ever seen the group Fastway.. the lead singer of that group look
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272 s alot like Jordan, the lead singer of this group (the one with with red
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273 hair). They all worked at th same place and then decided to be a band. They
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274 are talented. They are hardly another Police. They are more like another
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275 Iron Maiden. But.... thats another story on another BBS.
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276
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277 -----------------------------------------=jody=-----------------------------
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278 ***************************************************************
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280 LEROY: GOOD TO SEE YOU'RE STILL WITH US.
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281
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282 BIG BILL BROOZY
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283
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284 ***************************************************************
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285 PAM:My info differs slightly from yours, mainly in regard to Japan's
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286 willingness to surrender (specifically, the military's willingness).
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287 Apparently they were planning to fight it out inch by inch if there was an
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288 invasion. In any case, the "normal" arguments regarding Hiroshima &
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289 Nagasaki are that we should have either not used them at all (invade) or
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290 that we should have arranged a demonstration somewhere. By the way, if they
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291 were so ready to surrender, why did they wait until after the SECOND bomb?
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292 (in case you are interested Hiroshima WAS a military target because of its
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293 shipyards (as i recall) & Nagasaki was a major harbor))
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295 ALL:as I said before, no matter where you stand on disarmament or what you
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296 believe the results of a "full-scale nuclear exchange" would be AS LONG AS
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297 THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY THAT EVEN _ONE_ NUCLEAR DEVICE MIGHT BE USED we
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298 must be prepared to protect ourselves. I'm not talking retaliatory strikes
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299 or anything like that I'm talking CIVIL DEFENSE! How many of you have any
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300 better idea than the people in "The Day After" as to what to do if either:
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301 A.there exists a strong possibility of an attack (to use TDA as an example,
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302 when fighting broke out in Germany)
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303 B.you KNOW an attack is coming/has been launched (say when the silos fired)
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304 C.there has just been a "nearby" detonation (say 5-50 miles)
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305 D.after they stop going off
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306
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307 That is the kind of thing I would RATHER discuss. I have some answers & can
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308 at least suggest where to look for SOME of the others. I suspect that some
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309 of you know things I don't on this subject. Look at it this way, if Sagan &
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310 friends are right - then we'll all die, BUT WHAT IF THEY ARE WRONG? I'd
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311 rather go out TRYING to survive than just laying down & giving up. And no,
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312 I'm NOT one of those "survivalist nuts" (those people bear the same
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313 relationship to "real" survivalists that the "Milwaukee raiders" do to "real
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314 " hackers). For those of you who are worried about nuclear safety, well some
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315 the info will be useful for you too.
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316 ............ Now, any questions?.......................
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317 (ps to PAM: Please no more arguing about WWII, I accept your statements &
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318 will have to read those books. I merely clarified a couple of points. My
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319 info came from a published interview with a retired officer who had been in
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320 on the planning)
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321 ________________________________Leonard_____________________________________
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322 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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323 a weary (though refreshed) traveler returns....
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324
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325 hello! SF was Beautiful (capital B)! couldn't call the BW, didn't have the
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326 time/inclination to track down a terminal, though i guess i could have used
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327 the ones at UC Berkely or LH of S. I see that the inn has returned to its common
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328 level of entropy (GO DUCKS OFF EXIT HELP.....); and a note to all prospec-
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329 tive Aaron-BBS types (system was named last night in a rap session with Sysm
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330 , "UNICOM" is the Official System Name now...not an acronym.. who said i
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331 have to play by the rules! ), the system software will be written by Dec 20,
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332 if Ma Bell can get my phone lines in UNICOM (or a better name if stumble
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333 across one (unlikly) ) will be up before the new year (at least a week
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334 or two before for testing)...............
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335
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336 HELP!
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337 UNICOM needs an archive medium! if you have a paper tape punch/reader
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338 (any speed/interface (or lack thereof) OK ) or have a lead on one, please
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339 leave me a note on the system (or any other (real) system). Projected
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340 on-line date for UNICOM is Jan 1, so if i dont have anything better, i
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341 will use an ASR-33 (10 cps! ARRRGGH! ). ---thx
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342 HELP!
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343
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344 whats the status of the BWMS not-a-pizza party? did anyone find out if the
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345 H.Isle. place is OK? TRI-METable? how about Veritable Quandry? Darwins Thry?
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346
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347 HELP! (contd.)
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348 UNICOM is a system designed to channel the great potential/power of a telecom
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349 environment through a powerful yet simple user interface and structure.
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350 ALL input as to what UNICOM should do/be will be welcomed. Do you have a
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351 favorite feature/convienience you would like to see incorporated into the
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352 system? Something you would like to see left out? What critera should I
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353 use to screen prospective members? Since i will not censor message content
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354 (intrinsic or extrinsic) (i hope), the selection of who is/is not in is
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355 important. Maybe a "performance review" on the users every month combined
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356 with lax membership criteria? Or very strict member selection instead. You
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357 help me decide.
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358 HELP!
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359
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360 Aaron
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361 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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362 [][][][][][][][][][] 1344 11/29/83 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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363 LEONARD - THANKS FOR THE TITLE. I NEW THE ERRORS WERE THERE, BUT I THINK THAT
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364 THE BOOK WILL SERVE ITS PURPOSE.
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365 AARON - I THINK THAT SCREENING SHOULD BE YOUR WHIMSY. YOU OWN THE SYSTEM, AND
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366 MAY PLAY GOD IF YOU DESIRE. I FEEL THAT YOU WILL HAVE BETTER LUCK IF YOU DO
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367 NOT TRY TO PROD THE SYSTEM INTO ONE MOLD OR ANOTHER. (I AM CURRENTLY FINDING
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368 OUT THAT A BBS WITH A STATED PURPOSE OR AUDIENCE HAS A LIMITED AMOUNT OF USE)
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369 GOOD LUCK.
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370
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371 PAM: GOOD TO HEAR FROM YOU AGAIN. TINYTEXT IS THE MOST POPULAR DL. THANKS
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372 AGAIN. OTHERS SOON.
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373
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374 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] DJJ [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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375
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376 llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
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377 A king without a sword./ A
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378 land without a king./ A truth without
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379 a voice./ One song left to sing.
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380
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381 A wise man told me there is
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382 something you should know: the way you
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383 judge a man is you look into his soul,
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384 and you'll soon see everything.
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385
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386 A voice from the past cried:
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387 Give peace a chance. He payed our price,
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388 now he is free at last. And imagine...
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389 they called him a dreamer.
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390
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391 How many times must good men die?
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392 And how many times must the childred cry?
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393 Till they suffer no more sadness. Stop the
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394 madness.
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395
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396 If ashes are ashes and dust is dust
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397 at our journey's end, then return we must
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398 to sands of the shore.
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399
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400 White doves flight./ Peace to all./
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401 But tell me why / the peacemakers fall./
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402 Must we bury any more?
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403
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404 The hush of the crowd as the horse rode
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405 by. A black lace veil hid the tears from
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406 our eyes, and we wept in silence.
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407
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408 How many times must good men die? And
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409 how many times will the children cry till
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410 they suffer no more sadness? Stop all the
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411 madness. Oh, stop all the madness.
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412
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413 lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll merlyn llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
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414
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415 *******************************************************************
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416 Leonard: Though Hiroshima or Nagasaki being military targets is debatible,
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417 the bombs were targeted to KILL people, not destroy property as is generaly
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418 the intention of a military target. People killing is not something that
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419 military people want to do particularly cilvilians. The reason is very simple
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420 anything you do the enemy will follow suit. However in the case of Japan,
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421 the bombs were MENT to kill people. The intention being to show them that
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422 we had the bomb, and were willing to use it. While the desire for revenge
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423 is debatible also, I am sure myself it was a factor in the decision. The
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424 hatred of Japan was VERY intense at the time. Though I consider the use of
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425 the bomb on cilvilian people to be abondible, it did serve as an example
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426 to the world what it could do. Without this, I don't think we would have
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427 the concern that we have today, because it showed what can happen to real
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428 people, not just soldiers which everyone considers to be expendible.
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429 As far as your feeling that we should learn and be prepared for all
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430 possibilities in regard to the bomb, I agree very strongly. As Kissinger
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431 said, the bomb is here to stay, we cannot 'unlearn' it. That means that
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432 there will always be the possiblity of some terorist group making one, or
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433 even an unfreindly country. (Germiny was well on the way to making one
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434 befor the end stuck them.) And that means that we must KNOW what to do
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435 if it does happen, not just the total destruction that everyone is babbling
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436 about, but even just one teeny little bomb. The more lives that can be save
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437 by forknowledge of what to do is important! To just wail and moan about
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438 total destruction of the world is to insure the loss if something minor
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439 happens.
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440 Someone up there mentioned that there was lots of gas stations that would
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441 add fuel to any firestorm created. This is not the case, there is a very good
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442 reason why the laws require that tanks be underground, it is for just that
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443 very sort of thing. (It doesn't matter what the source of the fire, it can be
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444 a 'normal' massive fire as happens periodically. I would be more worried
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445 if I lived in NW portland where the tank farm is. But the aspects of firestorms
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446 are well known, since there have been several disasters caused by such things
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447 The most spectacular in a Texas shipping port which almost totally destroyed
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448 the port, but not the whole town. Firestorms have to have lots of combustibles,
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449 or they die out of their own acord. There is nothing new to this, nature was
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450 doing such things long before man stuck his stick in to stir things up.
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451 Hrothgar: Are you sure about the 4000MT? The last time I was privy to that
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452 type of information, they were having trouble making the 100MT work (re:
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453 my previous rant). I admit that was some time ago, but given the type of
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454 problem encountered, (selfdestruction) I find it hard to beleive that they
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455 could have moved on to 4000MT. The amount of material needed to make that
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456 big a bomb would be prohibitive anyway, so even if it were built, it would
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457 be more a curiosity then of any major use. Ten or twenty 20MT bombs would be
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458 far more usfull.
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459 PAM: I was very impressed with your last entry to this melay! And I applaud
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460 you. CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP (Pesky little beggers)........
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461 Aaorn: I like the name you came up with. But be carfull about being too
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462 restrictive on your board, or it may be stillborn as a BBS. If you want
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463 to keep it private, then this will work, but if you want it to be
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464 dynamic and exciting you must allow new blood to circulate thru it.
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465 ************ CISTOP MIKEY *********** 11:11PM ******* 29 NOV 83 ***********
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466
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469
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470 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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471 and now a moment of sex...
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472
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473
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474
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475 alright, you can stop now.
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476 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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477 ................................................................
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478 TO THE ABOVE: DID YOU THINK THAT WAS LONG ENOUGH??
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479
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480 TO ALL PARTY GOERS: I THINK WE SHOULD WAIT A OCOUPLE OF WEEKS TO SEE IF DOM SHOWS UP.
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481 ANY COMMENTS OR DISAGREEMENTS??
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482
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483 ..............................................JODY......................
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484
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485 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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486
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487 TO THE ABOVE: IT WAS LONG ENOUGH FOR ME.
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488
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489 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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490 Mikey:I think that a 4000 Mton (4 Gigaton!!) bomb would have been VERY obvious!
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491 A quick calculation shows that the cavity formed by the blast (assuming
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492 that it was underground) would be 1600 meters!! That's almost a mile. To keep it
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493 from "blowing thru" it would have had to have at least 1/2 a mile of rock above
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494 the cavity. I also suspect that there would be a MAJOR earthquake, followed
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495 shortly by a large volcano. If it was a (horrors!) SURFACE blast the CRATER
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496 would be about 20 MILES in diameter. HOLD EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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497 I just rechecked my figures AND THOSE DIAMETERS ABOVE WERE REALLY RADII! That
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498 means that an underground test would almost certainly either blow thru OR
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499 puncture the "Mohorovicic discontinuity" (moho for short). This would cause more
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500 havoc than I care to imagine! NO ONE would even THINK about testing anything
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501 that big on their own territory. (I get "all exposed personnel wounded and out
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502 of action" at more than 250 miles when I tried to figure the effects
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503 by extrapolating from my weapons effect chart. It might be over 500! Personnel
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504 casualities seem to go up a bit faster than square cube would indicate, but I
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505 stuck with the "straight" cube factor.)
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506 _______________________________________Leonard__________________________________
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507
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509 HERES A NEET PROGRAM FOR APPLE USERS WITH MICROMODEM II'S IN SLOT 2
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510
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511 10 POKE 34,0
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512 20 REM ** VAR INIT **
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513 30 D$ = CHR$ (4): REM ** CTRL-A
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514 40 Q$ = CHR$ (17): REM ** CTRL-Q
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515 50 REM CA = NUMBER OF CALLS
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516 60 REM CN = CURRENT NUMBER
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517 70 REM CC = NUMBER OF COMPUTERS
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518 80 REM CS=CALL START #
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519 90 REM CE=CALL END #
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520 100 REM ** TITLE **
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521 110 HOME
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522 120 INVERSE : PRINT "----------------------------------------": NORMAL
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523 130 HTAB 13: PRINT "COMP-SEARCH"
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524 140 PRINT
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525 150 PRINT "NUMBER OF CALLS :";CA
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526 160 PRINT "NUMBER OF CONTACTS :";CC
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527 170 PRINT "START NUMBER :";CS
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528 180 PRINT "CURRENT NUMBER :";CN
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529 190 PRINT "END NUMBER :";CE
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530 200 PRINT
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531 210 INVERSE : PRINT "----------------------------------------": NORMAL
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532 220 POKE 34,12
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533 230 GOSUB 650
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534 240 REM ** CALL ROUTINE **
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535 250 POKE 1921 + 2,138
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536 260 FOR PH = CS TO CE
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537 270 VTAB 13
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538 280 CA = CA + 1
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539 290 PRINT D$;"PR#2"
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540 300 PRINT Q$;PH
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541 310 POKE 2042,9
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542 320 IF PEEK (1656 + 2) > 127 THEN 350
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543 330 FOR I = 1 TO 2000: NEXT :CN = PH:CN = CN + 1
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544 340 GOTO 490
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545 350 REM ** HANG UP **
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546 360 PRINT D$;"PR#2": PRINT CHR$ (26)
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547 370 PRINT D$;"PR#0"
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548 380 REM ** DATA WRITE **
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549 390 PRINT D$;"OPEN CONTACTFILE,S6,D2"
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550 400 PRINT D$;"CLOSE CONTACTFILE"
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551 410 PRINT D$;"APPEND CONTACTFILE"
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552 420 PRINT D$;"WRITE CONTACTFILE"
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553 430 PRINT CN
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554 440 PRINT D$
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555 450 PRINT D$;"CLOSE CONTACTFILE"
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556 460 CC = CC + 1
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557 470 FOR I = 1 TO 2000: NEXT :CN = PH:CN = CN + 1
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558 480 GOTO 490
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559 490 REM ** DISPLAY **
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560 500 H = 21: REM HTAB
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561 510 V = 5: REM VTAB
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562 520 VTAB V: HTAB H: PRINT CA
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563 530 VTAB V + 1: HTAB H: PRINT CC
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564 540 VTAB V + 2: HTAB H: PRINT CS
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565 550 VTAB V + 3: HTAB H: PRINT CN
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566 560 VTAB V + 4: HTAB H: PRINT CE
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567 570 POKE 34,12
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568 580 NEXT PH
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569 590 HOME
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570 600 VTAB 13
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571 610 PRINT "*****************"
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572 620 PRINT "* JOB COMPLETED *"
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573 630 PRINT "*****************"
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574 640 END
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575 650 REM ** START/STOP NUMBERS **
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576 660 PRINT
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577 670 INPUT " START PHONE # :";CS
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578 680 PRINT
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579 690 INPUT " END PHONE # :";CE
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580 700 HOME
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581 710 RETURN
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582
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583 SEE WHAT YOU CAN FIND
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584 <V>^<V>^<V>^<V>^<V>^<V>^<V>^<V>^<V>^<V>^<V>^<V>^<V> ** THE MADD HACKER ** <V>^<V>^
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585 The preceeding program was confidential material. Please destroy yourself
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586 before hanging up the phone.
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587 **************************************
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588 *** Commodore Hackers: VIC-VIC
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589 *** C-64. Anyday after 7:15PM. I will
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590 *** be in "A" mode and will answer
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591 *** with my modem. 244-xxxx. Metzger
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592 *** Bill (Party Patrol) HCKR,STNR
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594 **************************************
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595 ~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~
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596 If we could just find a leader-
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597 type in our midst, we could get
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598 this get-together off the ground!
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599 Volunteers, step forward, PLEASE!
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600 ~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~
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601 [][][][][][][][][] 1437 11/30/83 []
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602 MIKEY: WHAT HAS HAPPENED WITH THE
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603 ARCHIVE COPIES? I AM STILL
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604 INTERESTED. THANKS.
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605 [][][][][][][][][] DJJ [][][][][][]
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606
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607 ````````````````````````````````````''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
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608 Aaron, please don't make your bbs private. Imagine the world all speakers
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609 and no listeners. All writers and no readers. All thinkers and no doers.
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610
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611 George Lurker
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612 p.s. Or egads, even worse,
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613 All inhailers and no exhailers!!!!!
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614 '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''``````````````````````````````````
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615
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616 ^M ^L ^M^!
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617 We're gonna need a new disk mighty soon...............
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618 Please do adopt a privacy option incorporating passwords. There are obviously
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619 times when a feeling or thought may need to be expressed that is not
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620 comfortably expressed in a public forum. Surely the flow of ideas
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621 will continue unchanged by the addition of the opportunity
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622 to communicate on a more personal and intimate level. This
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623 would suit many of us.
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624
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625
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626 ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''```````````````````````````````````
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627
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628 The above must need privacy, they don't even use their name.
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629 The last line. George Lurker ````````````````````````````````````
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