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STATUS: ALL ALLOWED
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NUMBER OF LINES: 624
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1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask....
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2 *********************** REMOVED: 25 SEP 83 *************************
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3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator
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4 ************************************************************
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5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION PLACED ON
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6 THIS SYSTEM.
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7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privatly owned
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8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public.
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9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system.
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10 It is intended that the system be normally used for messages and
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11 advertisments by the users. As the system is privatly owned, I retain the
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12 right to remove any and all messages which I may find offensive
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13 to me. Additionally because of the limited size of the system, it will be
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14 periodically purged of older messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved)
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15 The saved information will be cycled to drive 'B' while the information on
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16 drive 'B' will be archived, and a fresh disk will be installed in drive 'A'.
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17 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out
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18 of the enter mode. The message is automaticly stored.
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19 If after entering the message you find you made a mistake,
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20 use the replace command to replace the line.
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21 To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up.
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22 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system.
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23 ========================================
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24
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25 The last two issues of Analog had a serial dealing with exactly
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26 the kind of thing Mikey mentioned! They assumed that a enzyme was
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27 discovered to be responsible for some kinds of psychotic etc behavior.
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28 Since the enzyme had been known for some time before its effects
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29 were figured out, it was KNOWN that some people were liable to
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30 commit certain types of crime. Worse, due to a legal decision
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31 (which was exactly the type of decision that some judges are
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32 handing down in the REAL world) if you tested positive for the
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33 enzyme, there was no point in trying you for any crime you committed.
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34 After all, you were crazy, right? (you weren't locked up becuase
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35 you were only crazy SOME of the time).
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36
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37 An idea that has had some LIMITED trials in some areas is
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38 for criminals to make restitution. Pay back the stolen money, pay
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39 for repairs of the property, pay damages etc. If neccesary, they
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40 are given a job. These jobs tend to be the menial, low paying
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41 jobs that you have trouble hiring people for (too bad for the
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42 crook). The system seems to have some value, how much is uncertain.
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43 Before anyone asks some of the obvious questions, I'll
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44 give some of the answers:
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45 1. No, you can't quit the job.
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46 2. You may consider this "slavery" in view of #1, but slavery
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47 AS PUNISHMENT FOR A CRIME is still legal. (check the
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48 Constitution!)
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49 3. (personal view) they shouldn't assign you work you are incapable
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50 of doing.
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51 4. This is only until you have earned the money. Though I suppose
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52 arrangements could be made if you wanted to KEEP the job.
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53 _____________________________Leonard____________________________
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54 *
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55 this system is too confusing, and not explicite, also it contains no
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56 user information
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57 *
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58 BYE SCOTT HUOTARI
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59 *********************
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60
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61
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62
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63 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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64 SCOTT, TYPE HELP WHEN YOU FIRST COME ON TO THE SYSTEM, OR AFTER READING THIS,
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65 TYPE "CONTROL C" AND THEN HELP. DURING COMMAND MODE (A LITTLE > WILL APPEAR,
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66 FOLLOWED BY THE CURSOR), COMMANDS MAY BE ENTERED. TYPE LIST TO SEE THE WHOLE
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67 DISK, PRINT TO START FROM WHERE YOU LEFT OFF, ENTER TO ENTER A MESSAGE, ETC. IT
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68 ACTUALLY IS WELL EXPLAINED IN THE HELP SECTION, BUT YOU MUST GET TO THE HELP
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69 SECTION FIRST. WHEN I FIRST USED THIS SYSTEM, I FOUND IT CONFUSING, BUT I
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70 JUST SAVED THE HELP SECTION AS A FILE, STUDIED IT, AND NOW HAVE NO PROBLEMS.
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71 YOU'LL GET IT SOON ENOUGH.
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72 AS FAR AS FORCED LABOR FOR CONVICTS, THAT HAS BEEN TRIED (AND STILL IS).
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73 CHAIN GANGS, MAKING LICENSE PLATES, ETC. ARE IN USE THROUGHOUT THE PRISON
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74 SYSTEM, AND IF IT HAS HAD AN EFFECT, I HAVEN'T SEEN IT. THE ONLY NEW THING
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75 ABOUT THE SUGGESTION IS REIMBURSING THE VICTIMS, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT, BUT
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76 HOW DO YOU MEASURE THE DEGREE OF LOSS IN TERMS OF MONEY TO SOMEONE WHO HAS LOST
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77 A LOVED ONE TO A MURDERER? AND FOR THE LESSER CRIMES, WHO SETS WHAT IS FAIR?
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78 THE JUDGE? BUT YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT HOW SOME JUDGES DO INEXPLICABLE
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79 THINGS IN SENTENCING, SO HOW COULD YOU TRUST THEIR JUDGEMENT WITH THIS?
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80 ONE OTHER THING: WHILE IT MAY BE LEGAL TO INSLAVE SOMEONE IN A JAIL (I
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81 DON'T KNOW THAT THAT IS CORRECT, BUT I WILL TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT), LEGAL AND
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82 MORAL ARE TWO DIFFERENT QUESTIONS. IT WAS LEGAL FOR THE SOUTH TO KEEP SLAVES,
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83 BUT I CERTAINLY DON'T THINK THAT IT WAS EITHER MORAL OR ETHICAL. I AGREE THAT
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84 CRIMINALS MUST PAY BACK THEIR VICTIMS, BUT JUSTIFYING IT BASED ON ITS LEGALITY
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85 WITHOUT AN EXAMINATION OF ITS MORAL AND ETHICAL IMPLICATIONS CAN ONLY LEAD TO
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86 PROBLEMS. TOO MANY LAWS IN OUR NATION ARE BASED ON A VALID INTENT, BUT IGNORE
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87 THE WANTS AND NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE THEY WERE DESIGNED TO PROTECT. PROHIBITION
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88 DURING THE THIRTIES SHOWED THAT ANY LAW THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE
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89 PEOPLE WILL FAIL, NO MATTER HOW PROPER AND RIGHTEOUS ITS AIMS. THE CURRENT
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90 PROBLEMS WITH MARIJUANA SHOW THE SAME THING, BECAUSE SO MANY WANT TO USE IT,
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91 THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES ARE SIMPLY INCAPABLE OF KEEPING UP WITH THOSE WHO
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92 WANT TO USE IT. IT IS NOW ESTIMATED THAT MARIJUANA IS THE 3rd LARGEST CASH
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93 CROP IN THE COUNTRY, AND CAN ONLY GROW LARGER.
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94 BACK TO THE SUBJECT (SORRY, I DID RAMBLE THERE), A SOLUTION MIGHT BE FOR
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95 THE CRIMINALS TO WORK TO PAY BACK THEIR VICTIMS, BUT THAT SOMEHOW AN AMOUNT IS
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96 SPECIFIED AS TO WHAT IS OWED, AND PAYED BACK FROM A COLLECTIVE FUND FROM THE
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97 WORK OF ALL CONVICTS. THAT WAY, THE VICTIM WON'T BE DEPENDANT UPON THE
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98 DESIRE OF THEIR PARTICULAR CRIMINAL TO WORK FOR RESTITUTION, NOR WILL THEY
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99 HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL HE HAS WORKED BEFORE THEY GET SOMETHING. A FAMILY THAT HAS
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100 LOST ITS SOURCE OF INCOME FROM THE DEATH OF THE BREADWINNER BY MURDER CAN'T
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101 WAIT FOR THE MURDERER TO AMASS ENOUGH MONEY AT $3.25/HOUR (OR LESS) TO HELP
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102 THEM PAY FOR FOOD AND HEAT. THEY NEED HELP NOW, NOT LATER.
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103
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104 [][][][][][][][][][][][][]PAM?[][][][][]
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105 SINCE MOST VIOLENT CRIMES ARE COMMITTED BY PEOPLE UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF
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106 ALCOHOL OR SOME OTHER MIND ALTERING DRUG, HOW ABOUT OUTLAWING THESE - REALLY
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107 GOING AFTER THEM. LET PEOPLE DRINK ONLY IN THEIR HOMES, MAYBE, AS A START.
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108 LIFE SENTENCES FOR DRUG SALES AND SMUGGLING. DEATH SENTENCE FOR ANY INTENTION-
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109 AL MURDER?
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110 )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))COLONEL BATGUANO+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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111 I'm not sure, but I don't think the movie's character was COLONEL Batguano. Perhap
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112 Major.
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113 Don't have a tape of it, so can't look it up.
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114 '&'&'&'&'&'&'&'&'&'&'&'&'&'&'&'&'&'&'&'&'&'&'&'&'&'&'&'&'&'&'&'&'&'&'&'
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115 """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
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116 UP 3
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117
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118 To: All
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119 From: BACH
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120 re User Group startup
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121 Any one interested in starting a Commodore 64 User Group in the SW Portland area? L
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122 Leave a message for BACH on this BBS or leave name and phone for BACH on the Bit
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123 Bucket BBS.
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124 ********************
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125 *******for sale*****
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126 ********************
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127
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128 1975 plymouth roadrunner
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129 white with gold racing pinstripes
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130 $1600.00 firm
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131 stock 318
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132 clean inside and out
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133 reach me via this netwk or cbbs/nw or pms portland
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134 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~
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135
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136 Leonard: Sorry I couldn't respond to your message (now on disk B)
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137 sooner; I had a family emergency to attend to. Question #1 has already
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138 been answered correctly by P. V. so I will not comment further on that ex-
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139 cept to say that this solution may be verified (if you have not already done
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140 so) by simply multiplying it by itself and simplifying. With regard to
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141 Question #2, I first checked a few books for derivations of this, but
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142 could find none. After thinking about it, though, I realized it wasn't too
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143 horendous, so I derived it myself. Here is my derivation, however, I have
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144 no idea whether or not it is the original derivation.
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145
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146 Let LN(X) be the notation for the natural logarithm of X and e be the
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147 constant "e", Pi be the constant "Pi", and i be SQR(-1)=-1^(.5).
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148
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149 By definition of natural logarithm:
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150 i^i=e^(LN(i^i))=e^(i*LN(i))
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151 =e^(i*LN(-1^.5))
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152 ***** =e^(.5*i*LN(-1))
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153
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154 Let x be a real number such that the complex solution of LN(-1) is x*i.
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155 Then by def of nat. log e^(x*i)=-1.
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156
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157 By Euler's Formula:
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158 e^(x*i)=cos(x)+i*sin(x)=-1[+i*0]
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159 So cos(x)=-1 and sin(x)=0
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160 x=arccos(-1) x=arcsin(0)
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161 x=Pi
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162 Therefore, log(-1)=x*i=Pi*i
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163
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164 By substitution into ***** (above):
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165 i^i=e^(.5*i*Pi*i)=e^(.5*i*i*Pi)
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166 =e^(.5*(-1)*Pi)=e^(-.5*Pi)
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167
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168 With regard to classes, prerequisites, etc., most college classes do not re-
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169 quire "irrelevant" prerequistes, although, they often do require
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170 relevant prereq's and it is usually advisable to have taken them as they
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171 include background material necessary fr the class in question. Also most
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172 classes are open to any student with the prereq's regardless of whether
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173 part of full time and whether or not a major is declared. I suspect some
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174 private colleges such as Reed may be exceptions to the above, but I know this
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175 is true of PSU and U of P and three other (non-local) colleges I have
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176 attended. I strongly suspect it also applies to local community colleges.
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177 At PSU and probably most others, if there is a class that requires a
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178 prereq which you haven't taken, but
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179 you feel qualified anyway, and if the instructor agrees he will usually forego the
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180 prereq requirement. Also if you are REALLY confident you can just register
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181 for the class and often nobody will notice (the computer does not check for this).
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182
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183 BAD: I have valuable (probably) info for you, but must be private. If
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184 possible, please let me know how to contact you via US Mail:
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185 DOM
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186 PO Box 1057
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187 Portland OR 97207
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188
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189 Dirty Ol' Man
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190
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191 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~
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192 ......................
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193 The reason we have more blacks in jail is two fold: they get poorer justice
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194 and are poorer due to the same. We are no shining light of justice.
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195 As to who can say if a person is likely to commit crime, we don't want
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196 the head shrinks, their record is zip, but the police are good at it.
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197 Right now we have only punishment a9 deterence, I suggest we try for
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198 something better. Why are there so many laws on the books? One reason is
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199 wishful thinking: 'if we make it illegal no one will do it.' Throw out all
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200 society doesn't need or want and we will be a lot better off.
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201 Prisons are not for the criminal, they do nothing good for him, their only
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202 use is to get the crooks off the street.
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203 As to theose who drive without a lisence, require the lisence to be visible
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204 when driving, require the police to impound any wrongly displayed (like when
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205 no one is driving ((parked car)) and jail the offenders. speeding kills, so
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206 put the speed limit at 100*0 (that isn't division) it would make the roads
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207 safe. Really, set the speed limit at what society wants, like 5 miles above
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208 the average. It isn't speed so much as wrong speed.
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209 I think the article ontrace metals in hair was not about criminals having
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210 any special pattern, but rather that we each carry a unique pattern, and
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211 a hair found at the scene can be uniquely matched to show the suspect was
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212 there.
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213 I keep seeing the comment that totalitarian governments use the methods I
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214 propose, and that this implies they are wrong. Even Hitler liked to eat, so
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215 obviously eating is evil. They also have to deal with society, and use the
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216 same methods as any government. Freedom is very much a state of mind. We
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217 trade one freedom for another. If we like the freedoms we have, we feel
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218 free, but someone from a different culture would not be happy, he doesn't
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219 want the freedoms we have, and feels trapped by what we traded for what we
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220 have. I suggest trading the freedom of criminals for the freedom of others.
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221
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222 ////////////////BAD Portland Or 97202\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
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223 A PROGRAMMER'S PRECEPT
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224 EITHER MAKE THE PROGRAM SO SIMPLE IT IS OBVIOUS THERE ARE NO ERRORS,
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225 OR SO ELABORATE THAT THERE IS NO OBVIOUS ERROR
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226 .......................................
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227 A few more thoughts. Making the criminal pay the victim isn't going to
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228 work. One likely reason he broke into your house in the first place is he
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229 couldn't get or hold a job, and he isn't going to be able to later either.
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230 If you make a job for him, the unions will fight you. There are about
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231 10 million would be workers looking for a job who would do it for $3.25
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232 an hour, or any other wage. If violent crimes are the result of drugs, so
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233 what? Making drugs illegal doesn't work (prohibition). Admittedly many
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234 crimes are to feed a drug habit. The only solution is to get the criminals
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235 out of circulation. You can make them work in jail the same way most of
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236 are forced to work on the outside: no work, no food.
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237 Punishment doesn't work to prevent crime unless the would be criminal
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238 expects to be punished. Jailing should not be used as punishment, but to
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239 get the criminal out of the street.
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240 Pot may be called the 3rd biggest cash crop, but this is warped by 2 things,
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241 1. it is usually reported at "street value", i.e. retail price, while
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242 other crops are valued at the farmer's prices. The street value of wheat
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243 would be the price of bread.
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244 2. being illegal, the criminals who sell it can charge anything they can
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245 get; there is little competition.
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246 If you want to get pot off the market you have to either make people stop
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247 wanting it, or make it too expensive. This means more than in dollar price,
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248 such things as fear of punishment, fear of paraquat, etc. also work. There
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249 are several chemicals reported that cause severe nausea, or that cause
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250 the white of your eyes to change color, spray these on the plants & jail
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251 everyone who has purple eyes. Cyanide also works well. Making it legal
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252 would likely cut the price to 1% of it's present value, but is this what
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253 we want? Opiates were outlawed for good, then very obvious reasons. When
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254 they were legal there were many users, and it hurt them and society badly.
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255 Being imported made outlawing them work. It failed with alcohol because
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256 too many wanted it, and it is too easy to make. And the laws weren't
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257 really enforced.
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258 I want stiff, universal enforcement of the laws, at the source the criminal.
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259 //////////////////////////////BAD\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
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260 ***********************************************************************
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261 BAD:
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262 The article about trace metals was specifically about the criminal aspects
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263 in regard to the amount of trace metals in hair. In fact it was written by
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264 a person who had devoted his study to criminals and why they perform the
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265 crimes they do. (Science News 8/20/83) He had decided to explore the trace
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266 metal concept. The later issue (Science News 9/10/83) delt with some of the
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267 legal aspects of this. There has been a recent(?) upsurge by some scientists
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268 to beleive that the criminal can't help what he does, that it is caused by
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269 body chemistry. (As oppossed to the old concept that it is all societies
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270 fault.) Also for anyone who is interested, the 12/11/82 ssue of Science News
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271 delt with a simular concept with premenstrual syndrome. My own feelings on the
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272 whole thing is that each person is accountable for their own actions period.
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273 ******** CISTOP MIKEY ********* 21 SEPT 83 ********** 8:50AM ***************
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274 BAD: tell a heroin addict that outlawing opiates has made them unavailable
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275 - he'll laugh at you (if he can spare the time from trying to pay
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276 the street prices). True, my comments were "forced labor", but even
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277 here in Portland it is COMMON to include MANDATORY community service
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278 as part of a sentence. (I know because I've seen some recieve 40
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279 hrs of "volunteer" work as part of his sentence). As for the unions, they won't
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280 care. The jobs (things like hand-sorting garbage at a recyling
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281 plant/trash burner are NOT attracting workers at any feasible
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282 wage.
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283 PAM: I more or less assumed that the payback would come
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284 out of a fund. The idea was that the criminal had to do at least
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285 enough work to pay the fund back. I admit that there is no easy
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286 way to figure out what a violent crime (esp murder) is "worth".
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287 We might start with the standard insurance tables.
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288 Many of these people may have trouble holding a job, however the
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289 are ways of handling this (in many cases). Some people don't keep
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290 jobs because they are always late, decide not to go to work etc.
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291 These options are "obviously" not available in this situation.
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292 Pay geared to productivity will also encourage them to work, as
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293 they have a definite goal to make & will probably want to get it
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294 done as soon as possible. They may even pick up better work habits!
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295 I doubt that this would be effective in ALL cases (or that it
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296 should even be TRIED for crimes like murder), but it would be better
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297 than jail time for many crimes. In fact now that I think about it
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298 it would be perfect for traffic violations, vandalism, & other
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299 such crimes. How would you feel about speeding, if a ticket meant
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300 spending a couple of weekends working for the Park Bureau (landscaping etc)?
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301 Basically, use it on the "minor" criminals, so that there is more
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302 room in jail for the MAJOR ones. And avoid the "crime school" problem!
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303
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304 DOM: thanks, now I see that I could have figured it out
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305 myself if I'd gone about it properly. I guess I just let the idea
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306 of raising a number to an imaginary power throw me!
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307 The pre-requisites I was talking about were things like English
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308 Composition as a pre-req for a computer class I once took at PCC.
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309 I think they were assuming that if you took the CS class, you were
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310 in the degree program.
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311
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312 To:ALL
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313 Ok, I admit that the "work out the cost of your crime" idea ISN'T
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314 a universal solution. How about a list of crimes it SHOULD be used for?
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315 And another list of the ones it shouldn't be used for.
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316 WILD IDEA #2: A _FEDERAL_ law allowing you to challenge any other
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317 law on the grounds of either non-uniform application or non-enforcement.
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318 If you (plural, as in a class-action suit) win, then the law must
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319 either be dropped from the books OR it must be ENFORCED AS WRITTEN.
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320 If the latter, it would be subject to an AUTOMATIC review every
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321 so often & if it is once again not being enforced, then it MUST
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322 be dropped (NO OPTION!). This might chop the legal jungle down
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323 to size. It might make the wording of the laws a little better too!
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324 __________________________Leonard______________________________
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325
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326 HELP!! I HAVE A SILVER-REED EXP 550 PAR-
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327 ALLEL PRINTER THAT I HAVE TRIED TO
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328 INTERFACE WITH MY TI-99/4A. IT SEEMS TO
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329 BE A WIRING PROBLEM AS PRINTER PROTOCOL
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330 APPEARS TO MATCH COMPUTER'S. CAN YOU
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331 HELP ME FIND MY PROBLEM? CALL WAYNE AT
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332 642-xxxx IF YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS. I'M G
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333 PULLING MY HAIR OUT OVER THIS.
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334
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335 WAYNE
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336 ALIAS "BALDY"
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337 DEAR BALDY: IF NOBODY ELSE CAN HELP, THE PEOPLE AT KELLY DATA IN ALOHA
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338 HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE INTERFACING TYPEWRITERS, PRINTERS, ETC AND
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339 PROBABLY CAN FIGURE OUT THE RIGHT CABLE FOR THAT. CAL 649-xxxx AND
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340 ASK FOR JIM. THEY WILL MAKE THE CABLE FOR YOU IF YOU NEED A DIFFERENT ONE.
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341
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342 TO ALL:LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A TOPIC WE ALL CAN GET UP ON A SOAPBOX ABOUT.
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343 THE LENGTH OF ENTRIES IS INCREASING DRAMATICALLY, SO I ASSUME THAT
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344 WORLD VEIW AND SELF IMAGE ARE NOW AT STAKE.
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345
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346 TO BAD:YOU WANT TO BELIEVE IN A VERY SIMPLE SETUP, TO WHIT THAT THERE ARE
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347 TWO KINDS OF PEOPLE, BAD AND GOOD. YOU BELIEVE YOURSELF TO BE ONE OF THE
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348 LATTER AND ASSUME THAT NO-ONE ELSE COULD MAKE A MISTAKE ABOUT THAT.
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349 IF YOU GIVE SOMEONE ELSE THE RIGHT TO IMPRISON YOU ON SUSPICION ALONE
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350 OR FOR YOUR PREDILICTIONS THE WILL DO SO BASED ON THEIR OPINIONS, NOT
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351 YOURS. I BELIEVE THAT YOU HAVE LITTLE INSIGHT INTO HUMAN RELATIONS IF
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352 YOU BELIEVE IN THAT, AND HAVE LITTLE INSIGHT INTO YOUR OWN PERSONALITY
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353 AS WELL. FOR THE TOTALITARIANS WE HAVE SPOKEN OF,THESE BELIEFS WERE
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354 NO INCIDENTAL FACETS OF THEIR LIVES. THESE BELEIFS THAT YOU HOLD WERE
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355 CENTRAL BOTH TO THEIR OUTLOOK AND THEIR METHODOLOGY.
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356 AS TO THE DEBATE ON THE PHYSIOLOGY OF CRIMINALS, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW
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357 HOW YOU RESOLVE THESE THREE THINGS: 1 - THAT YOU BELEIVE THAT BLACKS
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358 ARE IN JAIL MORE OFTEN BECAUSE OF POVERTY AND AN INJUST SYSTEM OF JUSTICE.
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359 2 - THAT YOU BELEIVE THAT CRIMINALS CAN BE DETECTED BY HAIR SAMPLES,
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360 THUS INDICATING THAT YOU THINK CRIME MAY HAVE A PHYSIOLOGICAL BASIS.
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361 3 - THAT HALF THE MURDERS IN THE COUNTRY ARE ONE YOUNG BLACK MAN KILLING
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362 ANOTHER YOUNG BLACK MAN. I AM NOT SAYING THAT THESE THINGS CAN'T BE
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363 RESOLVED, JUST WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW.
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364
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365 TO ALL: THE GREATEST PHYSIOLOGICAL CORRELATION FOUND TO DATE WITH CRIMINAL
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366 ACTIVITY OF A GENERAL NATURE IS TESTOSTERONE LEVEL. THAT'S PROBABLY WHY
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367 OLDER MEN COOL IT EVEN AFTER A LIFETIME OF CRIME. THE HIGHEST PERCENTAGE
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368 GROUP IS MEN WHO HAVE TWO Y CROMOSOMES, AND THUS LOTS OF TESTOSTERONE.
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369 THEIR ARE SOME OTHER CHEMICAL RBAIN DISORDERS THAT ARE NOW IMPLICATED
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370 IN PARTICULAR CRIMES LIKE MASS MURDER. NOW, YOUNG BLACK MEN HAVE A HIGH
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371 TESTOSTERONE LEVEL COMPARED TO YOUNG WHITE MEN. SHOULD WE THEREFORE LOCK THEM
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372 ALL UP? SHOULD WE LOCK UP ANY YOUNG MEN WITH A HIGH TESTOSTERONE LEVEL?
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373 ONE QUANDRY IS THAT MOST OF OUR LEADERS AND INNOVATORS (AMONG MEN ONLY?)
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374 ARE ALSO PART OF THIS HYPER-AGGRESSIVE GROUP. WE STILL ARE LEFT WITH THE
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375 FACT THAT WE ARE DEALING WITH INDIVIDUALS HERE, AND EVEN IF WE FIND A
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376 PHYSIOLOGICAL BASIS FOR DEFINING A CLASS OF LIKELY CRIMINALS, WE CANNOT
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377 LOCK SOMEONE UP BECAUSE OF PHYSIOLOGY ALONE. NOR CAN ONE MAKE HASTY
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378 INFERENCES ABOUT THE VALUE OF A GROUP OF PEOPLE BASED ON ONLY ONE FACTOR BEING
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379 CONSIDERED. IN ADDITION, GENETICS ALONE DOES NOT DETERMINE PHYSIOLOGY,
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380 AND PHYSIOLOGY CAN CHANGE. FOR INSTANCE, TESTOSTERONE LEVELS GO UP WHEN SEXUAL
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381 ACTIVITY INCREASES, SO THAT THERE CAN BE A SOCIAL BASIS (AVAILABILITY
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382 OF SEX PARTNERS) FOR A PHYSIOLOGICAL PHENOMENON. IF METALS ARE FOUND IN
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383 HAIR, WHAT DOES THIS REALLY TELL US? SOME THINGS ABOUT DIET, PERHAPS.
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384 ))))))))))))))))MAJOR/COLONEL/BATPOOP/BATGUANO, THE MAGNIFICENT+++++++++++
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385 P.S. THE NAME IS REALLY GETTING OUT OF HAND. FROM NOW ON I WILL BE:
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386 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HROTHGAR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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387 Who says we all enter long messages? Anon.
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388 ============================================
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389 Attention!
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390 ATTENTION ALL BIT BUCKET USERS!!!
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391 As you know, the Bit Bucket bulletin board system is a 300
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392 baud only system. I am coordinating an effort to make it a
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393 1200 baud system, but I need a little help from all of you
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394 users out there! If everyone donates 5 dollars or so, we could
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395 have the Bit Bucket on 1200 baud in no time! If anyone is
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396 interested, leave me a message on the Bit Bucket, PMS or CBBS
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397 concerning this. Please DO NOT leave the message on here, it's
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398 the most difficult system to get onto. Thank you
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399
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400 Chris Bradley
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401 - 20 -
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402 End Transmission
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403 TO: THE ONGOING DISCUSSION ON CRIMINALITY AND THE JUSTICE SYSTEM:
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404
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405
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406 MICKEY & BAD, YOU ASSERT THAT SHRINKS ARE BAD AT PREDICTING CRIMINALITY
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407 (I ASSUME YOU REFER TO VIOLENT CRIME) AND THAT COPS ARE GOOD AT THIS
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408 TYPE OF PROGNOSTICATION. RATHER EXTENSIVE AND WELL DESIGNED
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409 RESEARCH IN THE RECENT PSYCHIATRIC LITERATURE INDICATES THAT NEITHER
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410 SHRINKS NOR COPS ARE ANY GOOD AT THIS SORT OF THING. AS A MATTER OF FACT,
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411 THE ONE GROUP WHICH SEEMS TO HAVE A STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT EDGE
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412 IN THIS REGARD IS A RANDOMLY SELECTED GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS--YOUR
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413 LEDGENDARY "MAN ON THE STREET!"
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414
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415 A RECENTLY POPULAR OPTION, IN A GROWING NUMBER OF STATES, TO THE
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416 VERDICT OF "NOT-GUILTY BY REASON OF INSANITY" IS THE VERDICT OF
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417 "GUILTY, BUT MENTALLY ILL" OR "GUILTY, BUT NOT MENTALLY COMPETENT.
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418 THE BENEFICIARIES OF THESE VERDICTS SERVE THE CONVENTIONAL PENALTIES
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419 FOR THEIR CRIMES. LAWS AND PENAL POLICY (AS OPPOSED TO PENILE
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420 POLICY, DISCUSSED ABOVE) DO NOT ASPIRE TO ADDRESS LEGAL OR ETHICAL
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421 ISSUES. THEIR RAISON D'ETRE IS TO PROTECT THE LARGEST GROUP OF THE
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422 GENERAL POPULATION FROM THE ACTS OF A MINORITY WHO THREATEN THEIR
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423 BASIC RIGHTS UNDER THE CONSTITUTION.
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424
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425 NICE BOARD,
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426 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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427 AN INTERESTING SERIES OF IDEAS, I MUST SAY. AS TO OPIATES, MARIJUANA, AND
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428 SUCH BEING ILLEGAL, THEY ARE ILLEGAL AND WILL REMAIN ILLEGAL, NOT BECAUSE
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429 THEY ARE HARMFUL (SOME OF THEM ARE), BUT BECAUSE ORGANIZED CRIME LOST
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430 ALCOHOL, AND THEY ARE DETERMINED NOT TO LOSE THESE. MARIJUANA IS A LARGE
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431 SOURCE OF REVENUE FOR THEM, TOO LARGE FOR THEM TO LOSE. SO IT WILL REMAIN
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432 ILLEGAL. HOW COULD IT BE OTHERWISE?
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433 AS FAR AS THE "INSANITY PLEA", WHILE IT CAN BE AN EASY WAY OUT FOR
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434 SOMEONE WITH MONEY, POWER, OR INFLUENCE, IT IS A TRAP WORSE THAN JAIL FOR
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435 ANYONE WITHOUT THESE. THERE ARE FEW THINGS HARDER THAN GETTING A DOCTOR
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436 TO DECLARE YOU SANE ONCE YOU HAVE BEEN DELCARED OTHERWISE IF YOU DON'T HAVE
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437 SOMEBODY ON THE OUTSIDE WORKING FOR YOU. YOU CAN REMAIN THERE FOR THE REST
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438 OF YOU LIFE, AND SOME HAVE.
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439
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440 [][][][][][][][][][][][]PAM>[][][][][][]
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441 jjjj
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442
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443
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444 TO PERSON SIGNING 'NICE BOARD': PLEASE DON'T CONFUSE ME WITH MICHAEL,
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445 A DIFFERENT USER ALTOGETHER. I SIGN AS BELOW AT ALL TIMES, AND USE NO
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446 OTHER SIGNITURE. I HAVE STATED NO VIEWS IN REGARD TO THE ABILITY OF
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447 DOCTORS OR POLICE TO DETECT CRIMINALS. MY ONLY INPUT IN THIS REGARD
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448 HAS BEEN THE TRACE METAL ISSUE, OF WHICH I AM SCEPTICAL.
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449 THANK YOU.
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450 *********** CISTOP MIKEY ******* 21 SEPT 83 ********** 10:45PM ********
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451 P.S. (>)? YES, I NOTICED THE SHIFT..
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452
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453 """"""""""""""""""""""""""" What is"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
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454 the difference between AIDS and Herpes II? Herpes may end a love story;
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455 AIDS is from a fairy tale.
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456 --------------
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457 Hey, you Red Cross types out there, all trained in CPR: Who wins if you
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458 revive an AIDS carrier if he lives another year and you live two more?
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459 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] POOH [][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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460 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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461 gads! a few hours away from the terminal and 2 disks slip by! my
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462 apologies, PAM, I believe we were just about to delve into contemporary
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463 education, yes?
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464
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465 O Sublime Lady of Dragons!
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466 A fond and warm hullo! It has indeed been a long
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467 time since you have graced us with the full power and
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468 glory of your mighty pen; perchance i shall give you
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469 an opportunity to once again.......My curiosity has
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470 been waxing; what are your views on Life, The Universe,
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471 and Everything.......cut that down a bit? let try
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472 Religion
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473 as a sort of middle ground that i can attempt to flex
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474 some of my keyboard wizardry in also........Yes?
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475
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476 Dark Prince........
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477 how doth thee wield thy sword of justice, o hidden one?
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478
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479 or maybe it nice to see you out here..(that was you,wasnt it?),hows
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480 life treating you these days, and how goes the job?
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481 Aaron at 00:52
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482 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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483 Leonard, I very much agree with your challenge and/or kill proposal.
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484 I do not believe in easy solutions, there are no such things in social
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485 situations, if you read this into nymy comments I can only wonder where your
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486 mind is at. Many simple predictors of criminality have been put forward,
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487 each called infalliable: skull shape, skin color, sexual preference, etc.
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488 At present the only good predictor is past behavior; crimes are usually
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489 commited by repeaters. age, hormone levels, trace metals, etc show up only
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490 in carefully adjusted statistical studies. Many crimes relate to paying for
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491 illegal drugs. My desire is to get the criminal off the street, at present
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492 this means jailing the repea8ters before they can it again.
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493 Making opiates illegal has greatly reduced the amount yused, and the number
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494 of users. Anything is availble if you want it bad enough, but with addictive
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495 drugs, the primary need is to prevent starting & this helps. The problems
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496 with opiates was FAR greater when the stuff was legal.
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497 Some other things that have been related to crimes (forgenuine) are weather,
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498 ion density, sulphur in air, and the phase of the moon. All of these can
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499 be used to predict rising crime rates, but knowing this does very little
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500 to prevent crime; threats don't work unless you can (and do) carri them out,
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501 but removing the worst criminals does. Anyone with an other suggestion to
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502 reduce crime please step forward. If sex hormones cause crime, a good
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503 treatment would be castration.
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504 ///////////////////////////////BAD\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
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505 #######
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506 ################################################################################
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507 WHO THE HELL LEFT THE MARGIN AT 7?
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508 TO THE PERSON ABOVE THAT WAS ASKING ABOUT THE MORALITY OF MAKING CRIMINALS
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509 SLAVES; MORALITY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. AFTER ALL THE CRIME COMMITTED WAS
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510 IMMORAL TO START WITH. WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO AN EYE FOR AN EYE?
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511 ####################C.Y.M.######################################################
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512
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513 An eye for an eye? It moved to Iran. Shall we cut off the hands of thiefs? Thank God we live in America.
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514
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515 *************Captain America***********
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516 TO: ALL
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517 FROM:VINCE RADCLIFFE
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518 FFOR SALE
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519 1970 INTERNATIONAL SCOUT 4WD
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520 LOW MILES-V8-4SPD-STERO-CB
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521 CROME WHEELS-GOOD TIRES-WARREN HUBS
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||
522 $2400 OR TRADE FOR SMALL PICKUP
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||
523 CALL AFTER 4PM 289-xxxx[[VINCE]]
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524
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525 :::::::::::::::
|
||
526 Correction: It WAS Colonel Batguano. Sorry about that.
|
||
527 :::::::::::::::
|
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528 WELL NOW!
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529 BAD HAS BECOME SO REASONABLE OVER THE LAST FEW MESSAGES THAT I CAN NO LONGER
|
||
530 ARGUE WITH HIM/HER AT ALL. PITY. FULL MOON SEEMS TO HAVE CALMED THINGS DOWN A
|
||
531 BIT HERE.
|
||
532
|
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533 BATPOOP IS DEAD! LONG LIVE !!!!!!!!!!!HROTHGAR!!!!!!!!!!,
|
||
534 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!AN ADDITIONAL LITERARY ALLUSION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
|
||
535 &&&&&&&++ +++++++[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[++ Hi
|
||
536 everyone!!!! AFTER HVING
|
||
537 DELETE
|
||
538
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||
539 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HI EVERYONE!!
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||
540 list
|
||
541 list
|
||
542 AFTER HAVING READ THE FIRST FEW MESSAGES I FIGURED YOU NEEDED A BREAK
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||
543 I HOPE YOU HAVE HAD A NICE DAY FROM ONE WHO CARES
|
||
544 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
|
||
545 OUT
|
||
546 I just thought that would get in my 2 cents! (I'm new on the system)
|
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547 Are there any ADVANCED Vic-20 owners out there?
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548 If so-please leave a phone number.
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549
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550
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551
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552 'Kid'
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553
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554
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555 **********************
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556 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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557 there are no advanced Vic-20 owners.......
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558 Aaron
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559 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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560 DID HE WANT TO KNOW IF THE VIC-20 WAS ADVANCED OR IF THE OWNER WAS ADVANCED?!?! WAYNE
|
||
561 *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*
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562 Aaron:
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563 Nice to see you back. I thought you had gotten disgusted with this system and
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564 left...Job's doing fine after the back to school rush.
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565 All:
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566 On the crime issue, I remember reading a science fiction story years ago about
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567 a penal colony named 'Sanctuary'...A few hundred thousand acres that was fenced
|
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568 so no one could get out. The land was lush enough to allow inmates a minimal
|
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569 existance. They were allowed to take in a maximum of 100 lbs., with a few
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570 restrictions on items. Once in the colony, they were on their own until their
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571 sentence was up. Cost to the state was minimal since there were no expenditures
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572 for food, clothing, etc. A harsh sentence reserved only for repeat offenders.
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573 A possible solution, who knows?
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574 DP
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575 *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*
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576
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577 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~
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578
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579 Captain America: I suggest instead of thanking God, that you thank the native
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580 Americans for their land and their blood and the Afro-americans for their
|
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581 sweat; as without both, this country would not exist.
|
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582
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583 Dirty Ol' Man
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584
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585 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~
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586 advanced VIC-20???? ?
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587 yes, i own one, but not because it is an advanced machine, but because it
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588 is cheap, and small enough to carry around (If it breaks, I won't cry much)
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589 It's a lot of bang for the buck, but the bucks are small..Like the VIC,s
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590 memory. The BASIC is similar to what I run on the big machine, with only a
|
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591 enough deletions to make it annoying. Beyond BASIC it aint got much. But
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592 what else can you buy for $84 ??
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593
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594 RThank who for America?? I thank those who died in all the wars we have
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595 fought in to stay free, and those who came back crippled. They paid for
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596 our freedom, and paid big.
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597
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598 As for cutting off the hands of thieves, it seems to work, there is little
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599 theft in Iran. (And not enough murder, since you-know-who is still alive)
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600 but you can't answer that on this disc/////////////////BAD\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
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601 ******************************************************
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602 Ah dear lady, the ones of note are the faithfull Aaron who has called
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603 your name serveral times and found no answer. PAM as well a most
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604 sesioned traveler has expressed loss at no longer hearing the words
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605 that pass thru your fingers.
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606 And, sigh.. Even I do miss your thoughts and words as they flow thru
|
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607 this Inn crowded though it is at times like these.
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608 But hark! Do you not see that it changes yet again? For the night of
|
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609 the egos is closing fast. Perhaps a new decore can be added to the Inn.
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610 ****** CISTOP MIKEY ****** 22 SEPT 83 ******** 9:34PM ***************
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611 What I ment by advanced, was advaanced programmers!
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612 I also happened to think that the VIC-20 is a very good machine.
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613 It may start out at a low price, but with some expansion it is a very good
|
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614 computer. I have also writen a machine language program to make te screen
|
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615 40x26 chaaracters. So maybee some of you people ought to look before you leap!
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616 I'm sorry for the confusion,
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617
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618
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619
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620 'kid'
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621
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622
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623
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624 ****************************************
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