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1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask....
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2 *********************** REMOVED: 15 SEP 83 ***************************
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3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator
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4 ************************************************************
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5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION PLACED ON
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6 THIS SYSTEM.
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7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privatly owned
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8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public.
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9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system.
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10 It is intended that the system be normally used for messages and
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11 advertisments by the users. As the system is privatly owned, I retain the
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12 right to remove any and all messages which I may find offensive
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13 to me. Additionally because of the limited size of the system, it will be
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14 periodically purged of older messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved)
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15 The saved information will be cycled to drive 'B' while the information on
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16 drive 'B' will be archived, and a fresh disk will be installed in drive 'A'.
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17 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out
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18 of the enter mode. The message is automaticly stored.
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19 If after entering the message you find you made a mistake,
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20 use the replace command to replace the line.
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21 To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up.
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22 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system.
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23 ========================================
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24
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25 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
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26 MIKEY, first of all, you were correct,I was speaking ONLY of women
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27 who have been RAPED. Many men have also been RAPED..not only homosexuals but
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28 a surprising number of heterosexuals as well.
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29 Now to your definition // By the ORS,163.305. the felony of Rape is
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30 decided by many factors. The most common condition is that of which you
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31 spoke concerning permission.
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32 The terminology in the Oregon Revised Statue is "Forcible Compulsion." I
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33 will refrain from the entire definition unless you request it.
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34 Our work as I indicated earlier, is to assist women in deterring Rape in
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35 many fashions. There has been a successin the Portland area in this
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36 endeavor.
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37
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38 Charlotte
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39
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40 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~
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41
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42 Returning zero for a number divided by
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43 zero would yeild very eroneous results
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44 unless unless you subscribe to TRON's
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45 theory that zero is infinite.
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46
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47 Well, on to more important things, does anyone out there know how to
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48 make makizushi? I cannot seem to master the art of rolling the damn
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49 things..........HELP
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50 Sushi-holic,
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51 Dirty Ol' Man
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52
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53 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~
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55
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56 NO, PIONEER, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW AUTOPILOTS WORK. IT IS TRUE THAT FOR
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57 LANDING THE PLANES RESPOND TO EXTERNAL SIGNALS, BUT THE 747 AND MANY MODERN PLANES HAVE INERTIAL GUIDANCE SYSTEMS THAT ARE
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58 INDEPENDANT OF EXTERNALS. OVER A 2000 MILE FLIGHT, THESE THINGS ARE ACCURATE TO LESS THAN 1 MILE.
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59 OF COURSE, AS YOU SAID, IF THE WRONG COORDINATES WERE LOCKED INTO THE SYSTEM, THE PLANE WOULD (NATURALLY) GO ASTRAY.
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60 AS FAR AS I KNOW, THE 747 HAS THE ORDINARY COMPLEMENT OF 3 IN THE COCKPIT: PILOT, COPILOT, AND NAVIGATOR.
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61 INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, THE 747 HAS LESS NEED FOR CREW THAN SMALLER, OLDER PLANES. IN FACT, I AM TOLD THAT THE 727 CAN TAKE
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62 OFF, FLY, AND LAND WITHOUT HUMAN INTERVENTION. (I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND THIS, HOWEVER)
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63 %Z%Z%Z%Z%Z%Z%Z%Z%Z%Z%Z%Z%Z%Z%Z%Z%Z%Z%Z%Z%Z%Z%Z%Z%Z%Z%Z%Z%Z%Z%Z%Z%Z%Z%Z%Z%Z%Z%Z%
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64 WELL NOW!
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65 ONE REASON BRIGHT PEOPLE GET SUCH BIG EGO'S IS THAT DUE TO THE DISTRIBUTION
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66 OF THESE PEOPLE MOST OF THEM DON'T RUN ACROSS EACH OTHER VERY OFTEN UNTILL
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67 THEY ARE OLDER, WHEN THEY MIGHT JOIN A CHESS CLUB, WORK FOR A HIGH TECH COM-
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68 PANY, GET RICH, OR WHATEVER. AT THAT POINT THEY BEGIN A PROCESS OF LEARNING
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69 GOOD MANNERS AND SOCIAL SKILLS THAT OTHER PEOPLE GO THROUGH MUCH EARLIER.
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70 THIS CONTRIBUTES TO THE 'NERD EFFECT' THAT MAKES YOU WANT TO SIGN
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71 COMMITMENT PAPERS FOR PEOPLE LIKE THE UNSIGNED BOOB WHO HAS BEEN HAUNTING
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72 THIS SYSTEM OF LATE. IF 'UNSIGNED' IS STILL YOUNG ENOUGH, WHICH I SUSPECT HE
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73 IS, RESOLUTION OF THIS PROBLEM WILL COME WITH TIME, HOPEFULLY. EVEN
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74 HARDENED CRIMINALS MELLOW OUT UNLESS THEY MAKE IT TO THE TOP, MOST OF THE
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75 TIME. INSTINCT TELLS ME THAT 'UNSIGNED' ISN'T GOING TO MAKE IT TO THE TOP
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76 IN THE NEAR FUTURE. PEOPLE WHO AUTOMATICALLY REJECT OTHER PEOPLE'S IDEAS
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77 USUALLY DON'T.
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78 GETTING OUT AMONG PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE SAME SITUATION MAY PARADOXICALLY
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79 NOT BE NOTICED AT FIRST BY AN INIVIDUAL LIKE THIS, BECAUSE AUTOMATIC REJEC-
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80 TION OF OTHER PEOPLE'S IDEAS MAY HAVE SET IN. SO USED TO SMOWING EVERYONE
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81 IN SIGHT WITH FAST-TALKING B.S, OUR 'GENIUS' MAKES A FOOL OF HIM/HER SELF
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82 IN THE PRESENCE OF PEERS (OR MAYBE SUPERIORS)
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83 DEAR MIKEY- IBM HAS JUST CHANGED SOME OF THEIR SOFTWARE TO SET RESULTS
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84 EQUAL TO ZERO ON A DIVIDE BY ZERO INSTEAD OF ISSUING AN ERROR. I AGREE THAT
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85 THIS IS USEFUL. AGREEING THAT PARRALLEL LINES CONVERGE IS USEFUL IN PHOTO-
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86 GRAPHY TOO. MATHEMATICAL RESEARCHERS HAVE MADE MUCH PROGRESS OVER THE
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87 YEARS BY CONCENTRATING ON SUCH CONUNDRUMS, CREATING SYSTEMS WHERE THE
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88 NON-COMMONSENSICAL IS TRUE. IMAGINARY NUMBERS HAD THE STATUS OF A JOKE
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89 TO NON-CREATIVE TYPE MATHEMATICIANS AT ONE POINT TOO.
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90 DEAR UNSIGNED - LOOK IT UP IN YOUR CRC, DUMMY - IT'S A TRIVIAL PROBLEM
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91 (THAT'S THE CHEM RUBBER BOOK,YOU KNOW?). OH, BY THE WAY, LIMITS AND REAL
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92 NUMBER CONCEPTS DON'T REQUIRE CALCULUS - CONSULT YOUR ARCHIMEDES.
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93 DEAR DOCTOR - KEEP IT UP. YOUR INQUIRY IS IN THE BEST TRADITION
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94 OF THEORECTICAL SCIENCE. UNSIGNED HAS THE SOUL OF A SHOE CLERK.
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95 ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))BATPOOP, THE MAGNIFICENT++++++++++++++
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96
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97 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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98 RE: THE FLIGHT 007 QUESTION, I KNOW THAT ALL AIRLINES REFUSE TO ALLOW PASSENGERS TO USE CALCULATORS OR PORTABLE
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99 COMPUTERS ON AIRPLANES DUE TO THEIR BAD TENDENCY TO EMIT R.F. INTERFERRENCE. DO THESE EMISSIONS AFFECT THE FLIGHT
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100 CONTROLS, AND COULD SOMEONE USING A P.C. OR CALCULATOR CAUSE A PROBLEM LIKE THIS? HMMMM???
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101
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102 [][][][][][][][][][][][]PAM.[][][][][][]
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103 ^^-^^^-^^^^^-^^^^^^^-^^^^^^^^^^^-^^^^^^^^^^^^^-^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^-^^-^^^-^^^^^
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104 Batpoop: A thousand thanks. I was starting to feel rather lonely.
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105
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106 To defend myself for the last time: I did not bring up black holes. My
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107 response to the first inquiry was to refer queries to an article of Scientific
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108 American. The only thing I claim as my own is the set of unreal numbers.
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109
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110 PAM: 747's use a triple set of inertial guidance devices. These are
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111 supposedly unaffected <sp?> by radio frequency interference. So I don't
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112 think that would be a factor.
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113
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114 I have a few questions of my own:
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115
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116 1. Was 007's actual flight path shorter than the one they were supposed to be
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117 on?
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118 2. It is not that uncommon, however very against company rules and results in
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119 termination if discovered, for pilots to sleep while on long oversea
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120 flights. Could one or more of the pilots been asleep?
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121 3. Does anybody know the procedure used for flying that route? Especially,
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122 when flying by (or over?) Japan, do they switch to VOR navigation? If so,
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123 then the RFI theory may need to be looked into.
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124
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125 BYE THE DOCTOR
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126 ^^-^^^-^^^^^-^^^^^^^-^^^^^^^^^^^-^^^^^^^^^^^^^-^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^-^^-^^^-^^^^^
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127
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128 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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129 AH, DOC, THAT ANSWERS SOME OF IT. AS TO "AFFECT" VERSUS "EFFECT", AFFECT IS WHAT I WOULD DO TO SOMETHING, EFFECT IS
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130 WHAT WOULD HAPPEN. EXAMPLE, " I HAVE AFFECTED IT, AND THE EFFECT IS OBVIOUS."COMPRENDE?
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131
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132 [][][][][][][][][][][][][]PAM.[][][][][]
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133
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134 For Sale
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135 Vic-20 Modem Datasette Superexpander
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136 All for $165.00
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137 Call
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138 l
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139
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140 For For Sale: Vic 20,modem,datasette,superexpander
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141 All for $165.00
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142 For more info Call
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143 Mike Roland 227-0631
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144 ****************************************
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145
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146
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147 Well, Batpoop, you've done it again. Unfortunately, your assumptions about me are only true if you are correct that
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148 I am wrong in my information. If I am correct and you are wrong, then the tables are turned.
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149 I do not 'automatically reject' other people's ideas. I only reject those ideas which are wrong, illogical,
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150 internally inconsistent, or incredible. In fact, I also recognize that people often have the right ideas but very wrong
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151 reasons.
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152 A most enjoyable activity of mine is to be able to discuss (intelligently) a scientific subject with a person
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153 (or persons) who are sufficiently qualified to express original thought. I spent a few years at a place where people were
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154 selected for their interest in science and technology, and I found that to be close to heaven on earth: At last, I was
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155 among my peers. Perhaps not surprising, each person was able to contribute to practically any discussion that went
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156 on, even if it was not their primary field.
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157 I remember no conversation where anyone overstepped his qualifications, and no-one tried to impress the others with
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158 his knowledge, since each was comfortable with his own position. We could all accept the fact that the EE was better
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159 able to convolve a time-domain signal, the biologist was best in designing a DNA synthesis reaction, the CS was more
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160 experienced in explaining a program dealing in artificial intelligence, the mathematician was better integrating a
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161 trancendental function, and the organic chemist knew better than anyone how to analyze a binary mixture.
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162 Each knew, however, that he was outclassed by each of the others in their respective fields; More importantly, he
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163 knew that each knew enough about the other fields to be able to detect bullshit and doubletalk. You couldn't even
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164 begin to pull the wool over their eyes, and you didn't try.
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165 But now, in the REAL WORLD, experts are few and far between. A person can recite parrotted material and pass himself off
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166 as, if not an expert, a cognoscenti in a particular area. He can express poorly grounded opinions secure in the knowledge
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167 that nobody around knows enough about the particular field to be able to detectit. And if anyone does come around that
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168 points this out, he can use personal attacks to restore his position of respectability in the group. Since no
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169 commonly-respected expert will likely come around to expose him, that person is generally safe from embarrassment.
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170 I will not present myself as an expert in any particular field, though I probably qualify in a few. That's because
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171 I have found that the more one learns on any subject, the more one recognizes how little he really knows about the rest
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172 of the world. The more I learn, the less I feel I know.
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173 But please return the favor and tone down your technical discussions. While you may prefer playing with your
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174 toroidal black holes and such, you might as well be talking about magic. If you really want to even the score, we
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175 could have a heated discussion on one of the following topics:
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176 1. 1983 Fashion on Alpha Centauri.
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177 2. The sex life of electrons, protons, and neutrons.
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178 3. The world 25 minutes BEFORE the big bang.
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179 4. Interstellar golf tournaments
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180
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181 I freely admit knowing absolutely nothing about the preceeding topics, and I'm sure you will too. This means
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182 that we're equally qualified to discuss them, so we can debate them till the cows come home without fear of being proven
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183 wrong.
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184 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Signed<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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185 AND NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT....
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186 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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187 signed:
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188 another (and well earned!) BRAVO!
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189
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190 PAM:
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191 a hullo, -------can we talk?
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192
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193 signed (addendum):
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194 i seem to remember Kinsey interviewing a few thousand adolescent
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195 sub-atomic particles, it seems that current sexual mores among atomic
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196 domains has remained unchanged through the past 20 ns, yet disruption
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197 of the nuclear family (groan!) will probably lead to degenerate sexual
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198 perversions becoming prevelent within the next 1 or 2 ms; lots of that
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199 kinky mu-pion stuff!
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200
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201 Dave:
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202 any comments regarding above and Violence in America ?
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203
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204 in a humorus vein,
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205 Aaron
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206 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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207 HEY, ENOUGH ABOUT THIS SPACE-CADET STUFF. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS A GOOD
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208 HOT TOPIC, RIGHT? WELL, LEBANON IS STARING US RIGHT IN THE FACE! HERE WE
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209 HAVE A THOUSAND OR MORE MARINES STUCK OVER THERE, GETTING RAINED ON WITH
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210 LEAD AND STEEL, AND WE SIT HERE FLAPPING OUR JAWS (EXCUSE ME, FINGERS) ABOUT
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211 BUCK ROGERS.
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212 SHOULD WE BE IN LEBANON? SHOULD THE SYRIANS BE IN LEBANON? SHOULD THE
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213 ISRAELIS BE IN LEBANON? SHOULD THE LEBANESE BE IN LEBANON? SHOULD THE
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214 CEDARS BE IN LEBANON? WHY AM I ASKING THESE STUPID QUESTIONS? AND
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215 WHO ASKED YOU, ANYWAY?
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216 WELL, WHADDA YA SAY? ALL YOU HAVE TO DO TO BE AN EXPERT ON LEBANON IS TO
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217 READ THE PAPERS, WATCH THE 6 O'CLOCK NEWS, AND BE ABLE TO POINT TO BEIRUT
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218 ON A MAP.
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219 HAFEZ AL ASSAD
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220 [_]-[_]-[_]-[_]-[_]-[_]-[_]-[_]-[_]-[_]-[_]-[_]-[_]-[_]-[_]-[_]-[_]-[_]-[_]
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221 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~
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222
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223 Signed: Well put! It is sometimes entertaining to watch people make
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224 fools of themselves, but it does get tiresome. I am totally in favor of
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225 the freedom of expression afforded on BWMS but the bullshit does get a littl
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226 thick sometimes. Perhaps as these persons become more aware that their
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227 comments are recognized for what they are, they will tend to stick to subj-
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228 jects in which they are more knowledgeable. I have found that the key to
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229 successful bullshitting is infrequency. When exercised with extreme caution
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230 and only in the event of an emergency (such as when you get pulled over forr
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231 a traffic violation), it is often successful, but when it becomes a
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232 routine, the listener (reader) will generally catch on eventually re-
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233 gardless of his/her knowledge of the subject.
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234
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235 Hafez: Yes, we should definitely be in Lebanon. After all, military ex-
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236 pansionism is the American way, is it not?
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237
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238 NOTE:
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239 The above is an opinion of an unqualified individual. I do not
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240 read newspapers (its depressing), my TV is broken, and I didn't realize
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241 Lebanon was on the map (unless, of course, you were speaking of Lebanon
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242 Oregon).
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243
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244 Mikey, a better way of dealing with division by zero in basic is through
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245 error control; in other words, the ability to transfer to a particular
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246 line in the event of an error, rather than printing an error message. I
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247 have found this capability very useful but I am not sure what other PC's
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248 support this other than TI.
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249 Dirty Ol' Man
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250
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251 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~
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252
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253 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++k
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254 I hope you 126 character liners realize that my hardware only allows me to
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255 read the first 80 of them, and the rest is gone. I suppose that is OK, tho
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256 as most of what is here is only 2/3 real anyway.
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257 Division by zero: in calculus we went to great lengths to define it, usually
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258 as "undefined", and the 0/0 was pointed out as ambiguous and could be
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259 anything: this is how the proofs that 1=2 work.
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260 As to flight 7; the people who knew what happened are dead, I suspect we will
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261 never know why, don't let this stop us from imagining reasons.
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262 In Lebanon the people who have a hereditary right to the land are being\
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263 pushed out and oppressed. Of course this has happened about 1000 times, so
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264 some 1000 different groups have hereditary rights tot the land. blow it off
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265 the map before they do.
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266 ////////////////////////////////////////////////BAD\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
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267 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~
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268
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269 Having an MSSS (Master of Science in Subatomic Sexuality), I would be
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270 happy to render my services as an authority on the subject. First, I
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271 think a general description of the terminology is important.
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272
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273 PROTON--He is the "head" of the atomhold and is most often found
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274 sitting around the atom looking at perverted electron magazines.
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275
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276 ELECTRON--She is typically running around the atom seeing to the needs
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277 of the proton (except one). Although she often complains of a head ache,
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278 such is not always the case, as is evidenced by the neutrinos which
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279 are constantly running in and out of the atom.
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280
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281 NEUTRINO--Analogous to bambino.
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282
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283 NEUTRON--He is not quite as picky as to the company he keeps, but he
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284 preferth to hang around with the boyth. In the event that he can't find
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285 any "boyth" to hang around with, he will often just go off by himself
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286 and get his quarks off.
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287
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288 NEXT LESSON: "The Cosmic Orgy"
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289 a treatice on nuclear fission.
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290
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291
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292 Dirty Ol' Man
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293
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294 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~
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295 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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296 BAD: join the 80 col. club; would you agree that MA 76 is a good number
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297 for us 80's to use? (rational: 3 digits+1 space + 76 char =80)....
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298
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299 crucial that we talk, do you have my p# on file someplace?
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300
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301
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302 DOM:
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303 clear thinkers club memebership card being sent to you; endorsement
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304 for a relativly (groan!) good sense of humor included....
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305
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306 aaron
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307 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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308 Aaron: My singular response to you for your DB comment on my absurdity com-
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309 prises these two lines. I won't enter into comic dialog. Dave
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310 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
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311 Doctor: I'll look for the black hole info.
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312 Signed: My sources for MY comments about black holes range from
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313 Scientific American to several books on the subject (by PHDs). I
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314 DON'T claim to understand all of the math, but I DO know that
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315 such things as toroidal black holes ARE possible according to
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316 many of the theories (mostly the theories that allow "naked"
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317 singularities). Besides, if Hawking's work on the quantum physics
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318 of black holes is correct, ANYTHING can happen! I realize that
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319 you won't take MY word for it, so why don't you check out Hawking's
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320 "The Breakdown of Physics in the Region of Space-Time Singularities".
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321 In this he says (regarding quantum decay of black holes) "they
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322 emit all possible configurations with equal probability." Think
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323 THAT over for awhile! The apparent cosequences of this are probably
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324 quite distressing to people with rigid thought patterns.
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325 ___________________________Leonard_________________________
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326 I totally disagree with all of your theories on subatomic sexuality. I
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327 talked to an electron just the other day and she said she never got enough!
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328 I invited her to my orbital, and we oscillated all night!
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329 ----------------------
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330 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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331 it seems you already have,Dave Aaron
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332
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333 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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334 SIGNED: I THINK THAT YOU MISS THE POINT OF THOSE THAT ARE OFFENDED BY YOU. ITS NOT THAT THEY DON'T LIKE TO BE PROVED
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335 WRONG, AS YOU MADE NO ATTEMPT TO PROVE OR DISPROVE ANYTHING. ITS THAT, INSTEAD OF SPELLING OUT EXACTLY WHAT YOU FOUND
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336 INCORRECT, YOU LOWERED YOURSELF TO THE PERSONAL INSULT AND INVECTIVE THAT YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR LAST MESSAGE. IF YOU
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337 KNOW THE ANSWER, OR KNOW WHERE SOMEONE MADE A LOGICAL OR FACTUAL ERROR, TELL US INSTEAD OF TALKING ABOUT HOW GREAT YOU
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338 ARE. THAT DOES NOTHING FOR ILLUMINATING THE DARKNESS OF THE MIND, SINCE IT SUPPLIES NO INFORMATION, AND IT DOES
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339 INFURIATE PEOPLE. SO PLEASE, NEXT TIME YOU SEE SOMETHING YOU DISAGREE WITH, LET US KNOW WHY AND WHAT INFORMATION YOU
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340 HAVE THAT SHOWS WHY. ARGUMENTS FOLLOWING THE LINE OF "NYAA, NYAA, YOU'RE JUST A MORON!!!" AREN'T TERRIBLY HELPFUL.
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341 AARON, I HAVE BEEN RUDE. SOME TIME AGO YOU EXTENDED ME A PROPER WELCOME
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345 AND I DIDN'T RESPOND. I ASK YOUR PARDON AND WISH TO SAY
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346 ***************************************
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347 * *
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348 * THANK YOU *
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349 * *
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350 * SO MUCH *
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351 * *
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352 * OH, KIND SIR! *
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353 * *
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354 ***************************************
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355
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356 I ACCEPT! THAT IS, IF YOU DON'T MIND TALKING TO SOMEONE ONLY SEMI-LITERATE IN COMPUTER JARGON.
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357
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358 [][][][][][][][][][][][][]PAM.[][][][][]
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359 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~
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360
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361 TO whomever that was in lines 326--328:
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362 Obviously, you have mistaken a neutron for an electron..............
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363 .......you thilly boy!
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364
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365 Incidentally, while obtaining my MSSS, my minor was in microtheology. Per-
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366 haps I can also offer some information of general interest in that area.
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367 For example, were you aware that there is a growing cult of amoebae who wor-
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368 ship a ball of lint? Its true! In belly buttons around the world, re-
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369 spectable bacteria are being forced out by these "wee beasties" who first
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370 take over, then begin to cultivate viruses and establish navel academies
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371 to promote the divine word of their leader. Although the little fuzz ball
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372 never speaks, his followers insist that he communicates spiritual mes-
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373 sages to them telepathically (presumably in GERMan).
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374
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375 Dirty Ol' Man
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376
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377 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~
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378 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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379 - Well, I should have known that anyone who insults people in the first place -
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380 - wasn't going to take a civil reply. I can safely say that I tried my best, -
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381 - though. -
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382 - I don't have much to say about Lebanon - somehow it just doesn't belong -
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383 - on the BackWater Inn, though it has seen so much. (Fantasy, Science, Crud, -
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384 - etc...) -
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385 - Think I'll just lay off 'til something interesting shows up......Pioneer -
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386 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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387 I THINK SEX BETWEEN UNMARRIED SUBATOMIC PARTICLES SHOULD BE BANNED! CAN'T THEY
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388 LEARN TO WAIT ONE PICOSECOND LIKE THE REST?
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389 ..............................................................................
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390 i have a confession to make............(un)signed, aka aaron
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391 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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392 WELL NOW!
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393 BY SHEER AND UTTER COINCIDENCE, ONE OF THE ENGINEERS FOR THE GUIDANCE
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394 SYSTEM ON THAT 747 WAS AT MY HOUSE THE OTHER NIGHT. ACCORDING TO HIM, IT'S
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395 A GARBAGE IN GARBAGE OUT SYSTEM. ACCORDING TO A PILOT ON CABLE TV SATURDAY,
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396 AMERICAN PILOTS CHECK THE NUMBERS PUNCHED IN 5 TIMES, BUT HE DIDN'T THINK
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397 "THIRD WORLD" PILOTS DID THAT AND ALSO ALLUDED TO THE DICTATORIAL CAPTAIN
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398 THEORY TO EXPLAIN WHY SUCH A MISTAKE COULD OCCUR. ACCORDING TO THIS GUY,
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399 PLANES OVER THE PACIFIC ARE TYPICALLY OUT OF RADIO CONTACT FOR HOURS AND
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400 COMPLETELY DEPEND ON THE ONBOARD NAVIGATION SYSTEM AT NIGHT WITH REGULARITY.
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401 AS I UNDERSTAND IT, MOST OF THE NUCLEAR STUFF THE USSR CAN HIT US WITH
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402 IS ON THEIR EAST COAST(WONDER HOW MANY MINUTES AFTER LAUNCH WE HAVE HERE
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403 IN PORTLAND. LATELY IN WEAPONS CIRCLES A VERY HOT TOPIC HAS BEEN EMF( EMP?)
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404 WHICH IS THE IDEA THAT A SINGLE NUCLEAR EXPLOSION COULD DESTROY ALL
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405 ELECTRONIC EQUIPMENT WITHIN A RADIUS OF THOUSANDS OF MILES, THUS ELIMINATING
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406 ANY DETERRENT THREAT IF ONE OR TWO BOMBS ARE SNEAKED INTO POSITION AND SET
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407 OFF. BOTH SIDES ARE PRETTY PARANOID ABOUT THIS, THE RUSSIANS MORE SO THAN
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408 OURSELVES. THIS PROBABLY HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THEIR ACTIONS IN THIS
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409 MATTER.
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410 TO PAM - WISH WE COULD GET BACK TO AFFECT AND EFFECT INSTEAD OF USING
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411 VARIATIONS ON "IMPACTED ON, IMPACT OF,ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT", ETC. THOSE
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412 PHRASES REALLY MAKE ME GRIND MY MOLARS.
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413 TO (UN)SIGNED - 1) YOUR DISCUSSION OF YOUR OWN DEBATING TACTICS IS PRETTY
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414 ACCURATE IN THOSE SECTIONS THAT ARE LUCID IN YOUR LAST STATEMENT.
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415 2) ARE YOU SAYING THAT ONLY SPECIALISTS ARE QUALIFIED TO
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416 DISCUSS A PARTICULAR FIELD? IF SO, SINCE YOU HAVE (I THINK) ADMITTED THAT
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417 YOU ARE NOT A SPECIALIST THEN WHY DON'T YOU TELL US YOUR SPECIALTY SO
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418 WE WILL KNOW WHEN TO LISTEN TO YOU. ON THE OTHER HAND, IF YOU MEANT TO
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419 SAY THAT YOU ARE 'PROBABLY' AN EXPERT IN SEVERAL SCIENCES, (WHEN DID YOU
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420 WIN YOUR NOBEL PRIZE!?) HOW MANY PHD'S DO YOU HAVE. IF YOU DON'T RECOGNIZE
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421 DEGREES AS QUALIFYING ONE FOR DISCUSSING A PARTICULAR SUBJECT (AS WELL YOU
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422 MIGHT NOT), WHY DON'T YOU DISCUSS WITH US YOUR STANDARDS FOR DETERMINING
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423 JUST WHEN SOMEONE IS A REAL EXPERT IN A FIELD AND TELL US HOW THESE
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424 STANDARDS QUALIFY YOU AND NOT THE REST OF US (EXCEPT AARON-HO HO). ON
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425 THE OTHER HAND, IF YOU ONLY MEANT THAT YOU ARE SMARTER THAN THE REST OF
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426 US AND QUALIFIED TO SIT IN JUDGEMENT ON US, WHY DON'T YOU LIST SOME OF
|
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427 YOUR MORE MONUMENTAL ACCOMPLISHMENTS FOR US SO WE CAN BE PROPERLY IN AWE
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428 OF YOU. YOUR LAST CONTRIBUTION WAS QUITE AMBIGUOUS ON THIS POINT. I CAN
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429 WELL UNDERSTAND AFTER THE PERFORMANCE YOU JUST TURNED IN THAT YOU WOULD
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430 LIKE TO DISCUSS THINGS THAT YOU'RE SURE NOBODY CAN CALL YOU ON.
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431 3) THE ATTEMPT TO TURN THE TABLES AND SUDDENLY BECOME
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432 THE VOICE OF REASON HERE WAS A GOOD THOUGHT - WHY DON'T YOU TRY IT AGAIN
|
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433 WHEN YOU LEARN WHAT THE VOICE OF REASON SOUNDS LIKE. I'M AFRAID YOU HAVE
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434 FAILED MISERABLY THIS TIME - YOU SHOULD NEVER HAVE BROUGHT UP "INTERNAL
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435 CONTRADICTIONS" IN A NOTE SO FULL OF THEM.
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436 4) I AM AMAZED THAT YOU CONTINUE TO REMARK ABOUT
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437 PEOPLES QUALIFICATIONS WITHOUT SUBSTANTIATION. HAVE YOU CHECKED THEIR QUALI-
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438 FICATIONS? HAVE THEY CHECKED YOURS? WOULD THEY CARE EITHER WAY. LETS GET IT
|
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439 ALL OUT IN THE OPEN. FIRST WE COULD DISCUSS WHETHER A PERSON SHOULD ONLY DISC
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440 US THAT FIELD HE IS EXPERT IN. MAYBE WE COULD RESOLVE TO CUT OUT THE
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441 TONGUES OF EVERYONE WITHOUT PHD'S. SECOND, MAKE THOSE PEOPLE WITH PHD'S
|
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442 ONLY TALK TO OTHER PHD'S IN THE SAME FIELD, OTHERWISE SOMEONE WOULD BE
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443 OUT OF THEIR FIELD. THEN LET'S CUT OUT THE TONGUES OF THE STUDENTS WHO
|
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444 HAVEN'T YET GOTTEN THEIR PHD'S, LEST THEY QUESTION THEIR PROFESSORS TOO
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445 SORELY.
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446 5) YOU SEEM TO BE ALLEDGING THAT MANY OF THE TECHNICAL
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447 STATEMENTS I HAVE MADE ARE NOT FACTUAL OR WORTHWHILE - LETS GET
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448 SPECIFIC. I THINK I CAN BEAR IT IF I TURN OUT TO BE WRONG ON SOMETHING.
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449 SO LETS HEAR WHICH POINTS YOU WANT TO DISPUTE.
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450 6) YOU ALMOST OPENED UP WITH 'THERE YOU GO AGAIN'!
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451 DID YOU FILCH MY BRIEFING BOOK? AND HOW COME IF YOU DID YOU'RE STILL
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452 LOSING THE DEBATE? HAR HAR HAR HAR.
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453 yr hmbl.& obedt. svt,
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454 )))))))))))))))))))))))))))BBATPOOP, THE MAGNIFICENT+++++++++++++++++++++++++
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||
455 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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456 Why is it that I don't think that unsigned was Aaron, despite the remark
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457 in line 390? I know that Aaron has had some problems in the past with
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458 people (if that word can be used for such sub-humans) using his name,
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459 and the style didn't really seem to be his. OK, Aaron, was that you, or
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460 is the Neanderthal back again?
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461
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462 /Elberich\
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463 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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464 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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465 yes, Elberich, pre-human seems to have struck again......maybe
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466 wer'e in full moon or something.....thanks for the observation......
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467
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468 OFFICIAL AND FOR THE RECORD(S):
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469
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470 I am not un(signed), nor do I plan to become so in the near future.
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471
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472 I am sure that un(signed) does not plan on becoming me, eithier.
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473
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474 Pam:
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475 thank YOU !
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476 I keep the compu-drivel and various sub-tounges (electro-drivel,
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477 digi-drivel, and telecomunicata-drivel) reserved for choice moments
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478 such as bumping into Knuth in a public restroom. Note that I don't
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479 even speak Knuth's sub tounge of algorithy-drivel. I think we will
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480 get along fine........
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481
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482 What shall we talk about?
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483
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484 Aaron (I)
|
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485 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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486 Why do I think we're ready for a new disk?
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487 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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488 the best thing to do with this dribble is to press the break
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489 key and type OFF
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490
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491 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12 Sep 83 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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492 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20:34 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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493 She sits in an unnoticed corner, eyes all alight, chin cupped in
|
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494 her hands, with a glass of liqueur forgotten beside her...instead of
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495 sweet liquid, a merry chortle tickles her throat at the wild banter
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496 betwix egos of the intellectual types, and she listens with affection:
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497 laughing at the strut and ceremonious dress of the one who dares not
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498 name himself...marveling at the insights displayed by a man whose name
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499 alone reveals the ludicrousness of putting on airs--for what 'stately
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500 grandeur' can be discovered in excreta?--and admiring the truce he's
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501 managed to instituted between himself and his own ego, a balance Few
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502 are able to strike when possessed of such intelligence...gaining ever
|
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503 more respect for this female who needs no more embellishment than the
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504 name of Pam...and curiously enough, the girl in the corner remains
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505 content to merely listen, enjoy and learn.
|
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506 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> d <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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507 AND NOW, AS SOMEONE SAID, FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
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508 HOW MANY OTHERS HERE PAY FOR USE OF THE SOURCE, COMPUSERVE,ETC.
|
||
509 DOES IT SEEM LIKE TOO MUCH MONEY. DO YOU RESENT THE FACT THAT TAXPAYERS
|
||
510 PAY FOR TENS OF THOUSANDS OF STUDIES AND THOUSANDS OF DATABASES
|
||
511 PRODUCED BY GOVERNMENT AND THEN HAVE TO PAY 100 BUCKS AN HOUR TO
|
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512 ACCESS THEM ON DIALOG. THIS EFFECTIVELY SHUTS ALL BUT THE POWERFUL
|
||
513 FROM THIS VALUABLE DATA. WE HAVE CBBS'S,RCPM'S, ETC BUT ARE THERE
|
||
514 ANY VOLUNTEER INFORMATION SERVICES ON A LARGER SCALE. WHAT KIND OF
|
||
515 CORPORATE BACKING MIGHT ONE GET FOR SUCH A PROJECT. WHAT KIND OF
|
||
516 EQUIPMENT WOULD DO THE JOB. COULD WE BORROW IT AT NIGHT, MAYBE.
|
||
517 THE COMMERCIAL OUTFITS ARE NOT PROVIDING THE KIND OF EDUCATIONAL
|
||
518 AND DATA FACILITIES THEY I WOULD LIKE. WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK
|
||
519 ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))BATPOOP, THE MAGNIFICENT++++++++++++++++++
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||
520
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521 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~
|
||
522
|
||
523 BATPOOP: Good greif, where do you get your facts?? (from your high school
|
||
524 electronics teacher?) The fact is that the source is generally $5.75
|
||
525 per hour at night, $7.75/hr evenings, and $20.75 during prime time. I am
|
||
526 a Source user (at night) and find it well worth $5.75. These prices may
|
||
527 have increased slightly recently, but certainly not to $100 . I understand
|
||
528 Compuserve is even cheaper at night but more expensive during the day.
|
||
529 STC is great for practical and informational purposes (no I don't work
|
||
530 for them) but nothing can compare to BWMS for entertainment.
|
||
531
|
||
532 Dirty Ol' Man
|
||
533
|
||
534 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~
|
||
535 DOM: suggest you be more carfull in reading. Batpoop was speaking of the
|
||
536 $100/hr on dialog not compuserve et al.
|
||
537 It seems to have been a VERY busy day here. To those who responded to my
|
||
538 comment about division by zero, please note that I was not indicating
|
||
539 if using a answer of zero was right or wrong by the current definition
|
||
540 that the mathmaticians have given it, rather I was speaking of a much
|
||
541 more important issue. What is the most practical and useful answer for
|
||
542 day to day use. Most notibly math within computer programs. Should we
|
||
543 require a bomb out error, or is it more practical to just return a value
|
||
544 of zero? This as I say is not to be based on what the current definition
|
||
545 has been given the condition, but what is most useful in real live use.
|
||
546 To: unsigned: While those who are 'qualified' in a particular area do
|
||
547 indeed tend to know far more about what they have defined that area to
|
||
548 be, I would like to point out that a rather significant number of major
|
||
549 advances are made by people who are not considered 'qualified' by the
|
||
550 'insiders' of a particular area. This is because they have not become
|
||
551 totally caught up in their work that they refuse to explore outlaying
|
||
552 areas because it is obviously worthless to consider. If you would like
|
||
553 an example, consider Tesla (the father of AC electricity) he was told
|
||
554 a multitude of times that his ideas were all wet that DC was the only
|
||
555 proper way to send electricity. One of these people was Thomas Edison.
|
||
556 But he was able to sufficiently prove his idea to Westinghouse that
|
||
557 He decided to take a chance. Need I say what the results were? I see no
|
||
558 point in discarding someones idea just because it is not the accepted
|
||
559 answer, who's to say the accepted answer is correct?
|
||
560 ******** CISTOP MIKEY ******** 13 SEPT 83 ******* 2:30 AM **********
|
||
561 Gad! what am I doing up at this late hour!
|
||
562 **********************************************************************:
|
||
563 P.S. I see that a guest has wandered in without my notice. Since I now
|
||
564 o so notice; Welcome once more to this fair Inn. I hope the banter has
|
||
565 not put you off too much..
|
||
566 *********************************************************************
|
||
567 Mike: somewhere I saw a better answer to division by zero. I think it was
|
||
568 on a honeywell, but i could be wrong. It returned the largest possible
|
||
569 number, which was also available under the name of 'infinity'. Another
|
||
570 possiblity is to test for /0 and jump to an error routine, but you have
|
||
571 to provide this routine. Returning 0 is not good, usually, because other
|
||
572 valid inputs do this, and /0 is seldom a valid procedure. If 0 is returned,
|
||
573 a prior test is still needed, to protect you from getting a 'valid' result
|
||
574 with garbage input. As I remember, the IBM PC gave a for a/0, and they
|
||
575 admitted it is a bug.(early version of IBM basic)
|
||
576 For further thought on strange but useful results read the current Dr. Dobbs
|
||
577 issue on Forth, an article on integer division noted the unusual results
|
||
578 from dividing a negative number by a positive (or vice versa), and how
|
||
579 this is unsymmetrical with the more common +/+ case. The 1983 'standard'
|
||
580 forth recommends the so called bottom function, in which the result is
|
||
581 always the next smaller or next most negative integer, and the remainder
|
||
582 is always a positive fnumber. -5/3 = -2, remainder 1 (rather than =-1,
|
||
583 remainder= -2) This question arises because integer division is not really
|
||
584 an intuitive process, and differs from normal arithmatic which is continuous
|
||
585 ////////////////////////////////BAD\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
|
||
586 set
|
||
587 your
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||
588 own
|
||
589 margins
|
||
590 !!!!!!!
|
||
591 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~
|
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592
|
||
593 Batpoop: Pardon if I have misread your message, I will try again later
|
||
594 (when I'm awake).
|
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595
|
||
596 BAD: Very good explanation of div by zero problem on PC's. I failed to
|
||
597 mention that returning maxint or minint is also appropriate (and
|
||
598 practical). I'm still curious, though; which PC's on the market
|
||
599 support error control (besides TI). Doesn't IBM? I still prefer this
|
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600 approach where possible because if
|
||
601 0/0 gives an intermediate result,
|
||
602 (of maxint) then further calculations may, in some cases, bring the final
|
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603 result into a range that it cannot be distinguished from data which is not
|
||
604 the result of an overflow.
|
||
605 ACCIDENT: "0/0" above should have been "anything/0"
|
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606 Error control also has other applications. Suppose, for example,
|
||
607 that for one reason or another memory oerflows during the execution of a
|
||
608 program; I believe the typical response of a PC is to issue a nasty little
|
||
609 error message, and in most cases halt program execution. With ec active,
|
||
610 though, it is possible to transfer to your own subroutine which "performs"
|
||
611 garbage collection or stores some of the data on disk or whatever to make
|
||
612 more memory space available, then returns to the main program to con-
|
||
613 tinue execution.
|
||
614
|
||
615 Dirty Ol' Man
|
||
616
|
||
617 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~
|
||
618 TO: Et al RE:x/0
|
||
619 Actually I would be most happy if people who write the high level
|
||
620 langauges would give a little more thought to error conditions when
|
||
621 they write stuff so that I don't have to.(I could have sworn that that
|
||
622 was the purpose of a high level langauge to remove the burden of that
|
||
623 sort of hassle off the programmer!) But in exchange for not properly
|
||
624 handling the errors, I would be quite happy to just have the value
|
||
625 returned as something useful instead of falling into shuddering fits
|
||
626 when it happens. I suggested the return zero value as I found that
|
||
627 this seemed to be what I wanted as an answer 99.9% of the time. I am
|
||
628 fully aware of the mathmatically incorect implications of this, but I
|
||
629 don't consider the current method to be any more valid. *** CISTOP MIKEY ***
|
||
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