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NUMBER OF LINES: 577
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1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask....
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2 ****************** REMOVED: 3 JUL 83 *******************************
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3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator
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4 ************************************************************
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5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION PLACED ON
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6 THIS SYSTEM.
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7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privatly owned
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8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public.
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9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system.
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10 It is intended that the system be normally used for messages and
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11 advertisments by the users. As the system is privatly owned, I retain the
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12 right to remove any and all messages which I may find offensive
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13 to me. Additionally because of the limited size of the system, it will be
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14 periodically purged of older messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved)
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15 The saved information will be cycled to drive 'B' while the information on
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16 drive 'B' will be archived, and a fresh disk will be installed in drive 'A'.
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17 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out
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18 of the enter mode. The message is automaticly stored.
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19 If after entering the message you find you made a mistake,
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20 use the replace command to replace the line.
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21 To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up.
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22 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system.
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23 ========================================
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24
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25 To: Whoever told me about Forth From: Tron Re: Forth
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26
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27 Could you tell me a little bit about Forth? What is it
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28 basically based on? Strings, formulas or complex math? I am
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29 mostly interested in languages that can be compiled; for speed
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30 of course. I do machine language games and it REALLY becomes
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31 tedious when I have to save source code, save machine code,
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32 run machine code, load EDTASM, load source code and debug the
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33 program.
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34
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35 Tron
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36 ----------
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37 To: those who have been following the misadventures of Mikey and
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38 his putt-mobile in DEQ land.
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39
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40 Let's see, it started several months back when the water pump
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41 gave its last gasp. This resulted in a boiling mad engine.
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42 The engine being of the aluminum type is not one to get mad at
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43 you (it seems they hold a grudge forever). A couple of months later
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44 after a new water pump and thermistat, that most feared letter of
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45 the transportation society winged its way to my door stop; The
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46 reregistration request. Knowing full well that it would fail, I took
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47 the vehicle to the DEQ station to see ow badly things were. Sure
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48 enough it was desperitly ill. I went to Shucks Auto to get a replacement
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49 carburator since I knew that it was bad from the last episode of this
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50 adventure. Now the fun really begins. The unit I got was so sloppy
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51 that the idle would change by as much as 600 RPM every time you would
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52 hit the gas. So.. back to Shucks.. Next unit could not get it to
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53 stay the same air fuel mixture at idle it was VERY touchy and would
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54 drift just looking at it. Oh my.. well, back to Shucks. They were a
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55 bit more obnoxious this time "We don't sell bad carburators, Its your
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56 engine." This despite me having spent $100.00 trying to get the thing
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57 working at a dealership. So after a bit of complaining and screeming
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58 on my part, they consended to replace it yet once more. By this time
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59 I am become quite adept at replacing the carburator on a '75 Vega!
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60 This unit was the most spectacular by far! It showered a fountain
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61 of gas all over the engine. Off it comes tearing it open we discover
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62 a baddly missadjusted float. Putting it back in after fixing that.
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63 We find that the idle won't adjust to lower then 1000 RPM since the
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64 max allowed is 1100 by DEQ this barely gets us under that part, But
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65 the real problem comes from it pouring an excessive amount of fuel
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66 into the engine at high speed. Again it fails. O.K. back to the
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67 original carburator. Now another problem shows its head. The steering
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68 wheel decides to come loose from its mounting. This being a tilt version
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69 is not easy to fix. Cost $80.00. They also say that it will cost me
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70 about $1000.00 to rebuild the engine to be able to pass DEQ. Or rather
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71 excuse me, replace it (you cann't rebuild aluminum Vega engines).
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72 So with this in mind and with a heavy heart I begin looking at possible
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73 alternatives (I.E. a new car), but then I decide what the heck I still
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74 have a week left to get the thing thru I might as well see what I can do.
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75 So out come the tools and a bit of tweeking here and there. A pass at
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76 DEQ and wonder of wonders IT PASSED! (I really think they just took
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77 pitty on me, but who am I to argue!) So after 10 tries and $250.00 and
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78 lots of wasted time, I now have a usable auto again well, sort of...
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79 there's this metallic tapping sound under light load....... (sigh)
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80 ***** CISTOP MIKEY WONDERING IF IT WILL EVER END *** 22 JUNE 83 *******
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81 MORAL OF ABOVE SAD TALE:
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82 ******************@*****************************************************
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83 STAY AWAY FROM: IN THIS ORDER:
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84 1 VEGAS
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85 2 SCHUCKS
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86 3 D.E.Q.
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87 4 GET A BIKE OR ROLLER SKATES
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88
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89 #4 IS PROBABLY THE BEST SUGESTION AS WITH ONE YOU DON'T NEED THE OTHER THREE!!
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90 ************************************************************************
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91 6/22/83-3:44:05
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92 RIGHT ON
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93 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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94 To Tron Fm Adam Trent Re FORTH
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95 It's hard to describe FORTH in a short space. It's unlike the run-of-
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96 the-mill languages you mentioned. I'll quote Bill Ragsdale, one of the
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97 original founders of the Forth Interest Group: "FORTH enjoys a
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98 synergism of its features. It has none of the elephantine character-
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99 istics of PL/I or FORTRAN. It has a density and speed far surpassing
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100 BASIC, but retains an interactive nature during program development.
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101 Since it is extensible, special words [commands] are easily defined
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102 to give it the terseness of APL. Its clarity and consistency result
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103 from being the product of a single mind. (as were PASCAL and APL)"
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104 That single mind was Charles Moore who invented FORTH in 1969.
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105 FORTH is extensible, easily debugged, powerful, transportable, and
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106 compact. It can include an interpreter, compiler, assembler,
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107 operating system, and editor. It might more aptly be described as a
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108 complete computer utilization system rather than just a language.
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109 In fact there is a growing family of FORTH-like languages: STOIC,
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110 CONVERS, PISTOL, FASL, and some others I can't recall right now.
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111 The FORTH computer language builds upon itself. It's extensible.
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112 A FORTH program is a set of increasingly powerful commands. Each
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113 command is built on those that have been previously added to the language.
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114 The low run-time overhead for each command encourages modularity.
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115 Changes to a program can be entered and immediately tested. The
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116 code produced is a special kind of code ("threaded code") that is
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117 interpreted by a supremely elegant threated interpreter. FORTH code
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118 can become more compact than even assembly code. Performance is high.
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119 Machine control is intoxicating! It's structured. You're in command.
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120 It's quite unique. Once you taste it, you'll laugh at people who still
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121 plod along in FORTRAN, COBOL, PL/I, PASCAL, BASIC. I program in these
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122 only when I have to. FORTH (and more recently STOIC) are my preferred
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123 ways to make my computer do things for me and others. FORTH is ideal
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124 for games. Many of the big arcade game makers use FORTH.
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125 To find out more: Try a book by Leo Brodie called "Starting FORTH".
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126 I've seen it at B. Dalton's. You might also send to the FORTH
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127 INTEREST GROUP for info. Their address is:
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128 FORTH INTEREST GROUP, POB 1105, SAN CARLOS, CA 94070
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129 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$22JUN83 - ADAM TRENT - 1726$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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130 To Tron:
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131 You ask what forth is. Have you ever used a HP calculator, the ones with
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132 no "equals" key, but that use a stack? This is forth. It is small because
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133 it is VERY simple minded. Extensible? It has to be, it is useless otherwise.
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134 Since it doesn't have named variables, only locations on the stack, it
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135 coesn't need the fancy internal arithmatic necessary to find them. Atari
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136 people often claim it is great, because for a long time it was the only
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137 thing better than BASIC they had. It is faster than BASIC, because it is
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138 a partial compiler, but slower than a real compiler as it is a partial
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139 interpreter. It works well for writing simple games, or for anything that
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140 has only a small number of variables.
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141 If you can hack assembler, you are already far past it.
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142 However, it is also described not as a language, but as a religion. Being
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143 an atheist, I must in principal avoid it. (I prefer C, BASIC, assembler,
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144 and Pascal to it, in that order)( or even RPG) It is not in the same
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145 category as PL-1, FORTRAN< or COBOL, as these are big machine languages,
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146 and FORTH is a small machine language. However, try it, you might like it.
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147 Good versions exist for trash 80's, including tape machines.
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148 If you need extensible, use anything with XTEXT or #INCLUDE, which I think
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149 anything except the teaching languages like BASIC or Pascal have.
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150 The problem with extensible is called non standard. Look at BASIC, and what
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151 happened when it was extended. This is a problem in BASIC, because what you
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152 see is what you get. With FORTH, you can replace the whole thing, and
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153 usually need to to run anything. (It's easy, though.)
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154 Good luck, you might even learn to think backwards, and then you can use
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155 FORTH.
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156 ..........................................B.A.D..............
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157 PS, who was on BWMS from 5:30pm to 3:30 am last night? I couldn't get on
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158 at all>
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159 .....................................................................
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160 B.A.D. That's funny, I was on from 7:30pm to 7:53pm. I don't
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161 think that I stay up that late.
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162
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163 Regarding calling a TRS-80 Trash, don't. The old versions
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164 suck but the new versions are even better than before. I agree
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165 that the old Model I's stink for operations but is has MANY
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166 features that APPLES, VICS, COMMODORES and any other computer
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167 using microsoft basic doesn't have. If you feel like it, go
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168 ahead and call the TRS-80's tras but I'd prefer if you didn't.
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169 I am a high supporter of the TRS-80.
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170 Where can I get a copy of FORTH for the TRS-80 Model I
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171 tape system? I'm really interested in new languages; I'm so
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172 limited by BASIC, LISP and Z80 Machine langugage. I do have
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173 a LISP interpreter for ALL microsoft machines. If anyone is
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174 interested, nootify me. Thanks for all the help........
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175
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176
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177 Tron
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178
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179 ...................................................
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180 Tron: I'm not sure there is a tape-based FORTH. Lots of luck
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181 looking for it.
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182 I am curious about the LISP interpreter you mentioned
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183 Is it the one that one of the computer mags has been printing?
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184 ______________________________Leonard_________________________
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185 ????????????????????
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186 With all the mention of diskless computers, here's my question:
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187 Is there anyone out there who 1. Once used a diskless compute
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188 r. 2. Has disk now. 3. Considers the disks only a marginal
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189 improvement.
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190 I ask this because it appears that some people still don't
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191 (or won't) admit that tape systems are inherently inadequate.
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192 I've use both (though thank heavens, not recently!) and there
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193 is no comparison!
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194 ***************************************************************
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195 What ever happened to the Lady Altair? She came and went so
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196 quickly that none had a chance to say hello. There are so
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197 few who appear here that expound other then the most boaring
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198 of detailed nonsense that it is a sore loss indeed when one
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199 of this ilk is gone before there is time to speak a word
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200 of greeting. Come fair lady if you still are out there watching,
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201 speak up! For there are many here who would like to converse.
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202 **** CISTOP MIKEY WONDERING WHAT HAPPENED **** 23 JUN 83 ******
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203 AS DORTHEY SAID; "MY, PEOPLE COME AND GO SO QUICKLY HERE!"
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204 ...............................................................
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205 Leonard,
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206 BINGO! 80-MICRO has been publishing a 3-part article on LISP.
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207 If you don't have a subscription to 80-MICRO, you are really
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208 missing out on something big! The LISP interpreter 80-MICRO
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209 published is really good. Does good housekeeping chores and
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210 Believe it or not, It's quick! Tell me if you'd like a copy.
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211
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212 Tron
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213 ----------
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214 Tron, not being a Radio Shack user, I don't keep up with 80-Micro. Is that
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215 Lisp useable with other machines , e.g. CPM z-80's? You said "any Microsoft"
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216 machine"; does this mean it is written in BASIC, or does it use direct calls
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217 to the innards of the interpreter? How complete is it? Does sound interesting.
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218 As to calling the TRS-80 machines by their nickname "trash 80", RS
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219 worked hard for that, it's common, and it's understood. Do you have a
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220 better way to pronounce "TRS"? The model 1 may be obsolete, but there
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221 are still more of them out there than just about anything else, and it
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222 is to this that the name applies. I only wish I could afford a model 100.
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223 //////////////////////////////////B.A.D.\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
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224 I'm glad to see that someone else out there appreciates LISP. While
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225 I never use it anymore (lack of an interpreter) it is quite
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226 useful and fascinating.
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227 /////////////////
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228 Hi, B.A.D...I still refer to my first system, and fondly so, as simply "the
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229 Model One." My 72-year-old dad and his bride have it now, having mastered
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230 since Christmas the intricacies of the original Electric Pencil as they write
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231 magazine articles of travel and special people they have met. The EI is ol'
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232 number 116; the twin Shugarts pre-date 40-track days...but they hain't seen
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233 a Tandy test bench yet! "Trash" if you choose, but not to me.
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234 (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) Dave (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)
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235 B.A.D.,
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236 Yes, the LISP interpreter is in BASIC. It has 48 different
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237 commands. I don't know about it being "COMPLETE", but I'd call
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238 it quite complete. All articles impress meV VERY much. With very
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239 little modification (input/output and errors), It can run on
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240 ANY microcomputer running in MICROSOFT BASIC. If you are
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241 interested, give me a buzz on any of the Bulletin Board Systems.
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242 Thanks......
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243
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244 Tron
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245 ----------
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247 322 ,S,I don't know why I keep
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248 coming back to you,
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249 Sigfrid
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250 323 IRRAY .WHY.
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251 324 ,C,I remind you Mikey,
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252 you've already used up
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253 three stomachs and let me
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254 see, nearly five meters
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255 of intestine.
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256 325 ,C,Ulcers, cancer.
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257 326 ,C,Somthing appears to be
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258 eating away at you,
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259 Mike
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260 -----------------------------------------
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261 507 IRRAY .MATURITY. GOTO
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262 *M88
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263 508 ,C,Maybe maturity is wanting
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264 what you want,
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265 instead of what somebody
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266 else tells you you should
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267 want.
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268 511 XTERNALS @ IF @ GOTO &&
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269 512 ,S,Maybe, Sigfrid, dear old
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270 tin god, but what it
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271 feels like is mature is dead.
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272 -------------------------------------------
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273 1316 ,S,It's very healthy that you
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274 view your breakup
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275 with Drusilla as a learning
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276 experience, Mike.
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277 1318 ,C,I'm a very healthy per-
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278 son, Sigfrid, that's
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279 why I'm here.
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280 1319 ,C,Anyway, that's what life
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281 is, just one learning
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282 experience after another,
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283 and when you're though
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284 with all the learning experi-
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285 ences you graduate and
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286 what you get for a diploma
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287 is, you die.
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288 -----------------------------------
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289 ...huh?
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290 ----------------------------------
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291 tron,
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292 hi. how's life? I just finished re-formatting
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293 most of my old disks that i never use. i now have about forty
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294 blank 45-track disks to use for anything i please. when i get
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295 another drive (about two weeks from now) i'll be happy. i
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296 think i'm gonna get rid of the one i have now and replace it
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297 with two of the new 1/2 height tandon drives.
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298 ----------------------------------ag------------------------
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299 speaking of which, does anybody have an opinion on these
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300 drives? they look nice, and at the computer show at the
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301 coliseum i noticed a lot of manufacturers using them in
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302 their products. if anybody knows anything about how they
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303 compare to normal sized drives, please say something because
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304 if they suck i don't wanna blow $200 on one. can you really
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305 stick two of 'em in a regular single drive case? what about
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306 a power supply; can you run two of them off one standard
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307 power supply, or what? what's the scoop here?
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308 what step rates, seek times, stuff like that?
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309 in short, are they as good or better than standard size drives?
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310 ----------------------------------ag--------------------------
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311 TO TRON: RE "TRASH" 80'S
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312
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313 AS I UNDERSTAND IT TANDY GOT THAT NICKNAME FROM THE QUALITY OF THEIR SUPPORT AND
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314 THEIR ROTTEN SALES POLICYS, IE THE THIRD DEGREE EVERY TIME ONE ENTERS ONE OF THE
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315 IR STORES. THEY STILL DO THIS AND I FOR ONE WILL NOT TRADE WITH THEM CAUSE MY
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316 NAME AND ADDRESS IS NONE OF THEIR BUSSINESS!!
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317 FINALLY THEIR ARE OTHER SOURCES FOR EQUIPMENT OTHER THAN RS AT MUCH BETTER
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318 PRICES. THANK GOD!! (ALSO THEIR FIRST COMPUTERS DID AND DO SUCK!)
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319 Their first computers weren't all that bad, seing that they were
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320 the VERY first computers available to the public. I can understand
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321 why the TRS-80 was called rash. Radio Shack's policies and
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322 warranties suck rotten eggs!
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323 ----------
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324 Andy,
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325 Sorry about not giving you a call Tuesday. I was gonna download
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326 that 6502 to Z80 program to you but I had to finish my CASCOM.
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327 I'll promise you that I will give it to you though.
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328 DON'T SELL YOUR DISK DRIVE!!!!!! If you are going to sell
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329 your disk drive, sell it to me! I need one BAD!!!! My father
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330 needs it mostly for his mailing list and the printer he was
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331 gonna buy. If you are selling your drive, how much? Call ya
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332 later.....
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333
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334 Tron
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335 ----------
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336 Radio Shack's policies on service, outside software support etc.
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337 have improved greatly (mostly in the last year!). On the other
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338 hand Apple seems to be trying its best to alienate dealers & users!
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339 ..............................................................
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340 Tron: I may be interested in the LISP interpreter (I HATE typing
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341 long listings!). I would like to take you up on the offer for
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342 the lowercase driver but first I gotta explain a few things!
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343 1. It's for my roommate's machine
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344 2. He is NOT a computer whiz.
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345 3. It's a "MEMORY SIZE" machine.
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346 4. It has DEFINITE keybounce.
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347 A few ideas you might add to your driver...
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348 (All taken from a Mod 3 driver patch I wrote. Source available
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349 on request).
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350 CTRL-1 (^1) redefined as \, ^2 as ], ^3 as ^, ^4 as _, ^5 as {,
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351 ^6 as |, ^7 as }, ^8 as ~, ^9 as ASCII DEL (chr$(127))
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352 also Mod 3 uses ^, as ^\ (1CH), ^- as ^] (1DH), ^. as ^^ (1EH)
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353 and ^/ as ^_ (1FH).
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354 I have also defined ^; as a "super-shift", hit it and you change
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355 mode from regular to graphics, graphics to special, or special
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356 to regular (depending of course, on what mode you were in). The
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357 cursor changes appropriately (so you don't have to remember
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358 which mode you're in), it is an _ in regular, a graphics block
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359 in graphics, & an inverse ? in special. I suspect that this
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360 would be a bit difficult to implement on a Mod 1 since they
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361 don't have the special character set OR a programmable cursor!
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362 _______________________Leonard________________________________
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363 Tron -- if you get a copy of Brodie's "Starting Forth" and find it
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364 interesting, you might drop by the next meeting of GOFIG -- the Greater
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365 Oregon Forth Interest Group. We meet the second Saturday of each month
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366 at 1 p.m. at Bldg. 58, Tektroniks. All levels of skill are represented
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367 as well as MANY different machines. Forth is NOT just a small computer
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368 language -- it has been implemented on virtually EVERY computer currently
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369 in use. Once you get used to it, it is the easiest of all computing
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370 environments in which to work -- and the major drawback of less speed
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371 than machine code is obviated by the ease of dropping into assembler.
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372 I can only suggest to all you skeptics, try it -- and stick with it long
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373 enough to get past its "different" look/feel, and you just may like it.
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374
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375 GOFIG is planning to have a booth at OMSI's Computer Fair this fall, so drop
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376 by and take a look. Pann McCuaig 632-xxxx (for more info)
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377
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378 Adam Trent -- aven't seen you at GOFIG meetings lately. Group is getting
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379 somewhat more vital, and we even have a newsletter again. Next meeting
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380 will be July 9. See you then?
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381
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382 You really like STOIC better than Forth? Are CODE words as easy? What
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383 about speed? I heard it's only half the speed of FIG-Forth. Also, is it
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384 still 8080-specific?
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385 Leonard,
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386 Yes, the TRS-80 doesn't have a definable cursor but one
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387 program I wrote allows you to have blinking/non-blinking
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388 user-definable cursor. But that used the expansion interfaces'
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389 interrupts.
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390 There is only one problem with the above you said. When
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391 you print a chr$(8), it backspaces. But, the keyboard input
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392 routine uses a chr$(8) for a backspace, not a DELETE. Also
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393 the chr$(9) will be a problem also. Since the chr$(9) tabs
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394 , that function must be deleted. So, why don't you just tell
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395 me what ASCII codes mean what and I will assemble a nice
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396 little keyboard/video lowercase driver with definable cursor.
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397 I will also include a short debounce delay in it, if you wish.
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398 Could we talk on the CBBS instead? This system has to have you
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399 type a CTRL-C and my terminal program is temporarily out of
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400 commission. I am using Radio Shacks ULCBAS, which doesn't
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401 produce control codes. Also, the lisp interpreter is not very
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402 long if you look at it. Complex it is but it works like a
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403 charm. What kind of machine do you own? If you own a Model III
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404 could you tell me what address tells the cursor to blink/not
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405 blink? Just a simple example would be sufficient. See ya....
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406
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407 Tron
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408 P.S. My real name is Chris Bradley
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409 -----------
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410 To: Bad From: Tron Re: Kitty names
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411
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412 Sarah and Fang? Love thoes names!!!! Here's another suggestion.
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413 Take a few nice juicy cans of wet cat food and put it in a blender.
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414 Take the amout of pills that you have cans and put it in the blender.
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415 Put it on puree. Pour the food (crap) out of the thing and feed
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416 it to the kitty. It worked on my Ambusher and I'm sure it'll
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417 work on Sarah or Fang. Or you could givem' shots! My cat i
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418 named Ambush. I named him that because thaT's exactly what
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419 he does. When he was a kitten, I held out my hand towards him
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420 and said" KITTY?", he looked up. I hissed and simulated a claw
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421 with my hand. He pinned back his ears, arched his back, curled
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422 up his tail and ran sideways at me. The cutest thing I ever did
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423 see! If Sarah or Fang are kittens, try it!
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424
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425 Tron
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426 ----------
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427
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428 To clear the air about the LISP interpreter, tron, you obviously have not
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429 used it. It is not fast, and it is not complete. It is a nice way to
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430 learn a little about lisp, but it is definitly not very useable for anything
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431 big. A real LISP interpreter has well over 150 built in functions, and
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432 as interpreters go, extremely fast. Hey tron, stop saying stuff about
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433 something you know nothing about!
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434
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435 +++++++++++++++++++++++++
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436 WHAT A STARNGE SYSTEM THIS IS!
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437 BYE.
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438 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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439
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440
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441 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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442 WHAT A STRANGE E PERSON THAT WAS!
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443 BYE.
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444 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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445
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446 ******************************
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447
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448 What system
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449 What person?
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450
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451 ******************************
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452 off
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453
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454 g
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455 To: Someone above From: TRon Re: LISP
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456
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457 Okay, then, I must rephrase myself. It is fast for me. I
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458 never have used LISP itself, nor tried to program it. I simply
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459 typed in the listing that I had on hand and ran a few tests. It
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460 does a remarkable job (especially in BASIC).
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461 When I say complete, I mean it is complete with ALL of the
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462 standard commands. No frills or extra crud that an expert
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463 programmer will need, but is good for learning. Sorry to anyone
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464 I may have misleaded. Also, to someone above, don'T talk so
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465 hostile to me. I didn't step on any toes. Why didn't you just
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466 tell me I was making a mistake? I would have admitted my errors.
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467
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468 Tron
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469 ----------
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470 Why does this sytem bring out the hostile in people? Is it because we
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471 can hide under our non-names?
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472 Tron: ignore the hostiles (or just say what you think of them).
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473 How long is that LISP interpreter? I would like to try it.
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474 Sara and Fang are not kittens, but have many years and several batches
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475 of kittens behind them. They are both neutered (Sara just). There is no
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476 hiding the flavor of Sara's pills;they will spoil anything!
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477 Perhaps CBBS is right in not allowing aliases, or do they just police it
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478 better?
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479 A real cheap way to get into FORTH is in the Oct 1981 DR.Dobb's Journal.
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480 It's a simple forth interpreter written in BASIC. SLOW. About 200 lines
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481 of basic code, I think. I have a copy if you have a way to get it off
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482 Heath discs or tape.(modem, prehaps)
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483 Dr. Dobb's is a good source for enough forth to get a feel for it, though
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484 you really need Brody to get the hang of it.
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485 ((((((((((((((((((B.A.D.))))))Berney Dunn(((((((((((((2248pm,jun24 1984)))))
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486 *****************************************FROM A MAN OF*
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487 *SHIBUMI *
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488 ****************************************Hello there all,
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489 I just witnessed the most barbaric phenomenon...
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490 the tough man contest at the Tigard Armory on this night
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491 of 6/23/83. The contestants had little monetary gain.
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492 The crowd was jeering the losers and cheering the
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493 heaviest punches. And you know what? several of them
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494 were "laid out". And you know what else? It was great!!
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495 This was for real...no games...it is hard to explain...
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496 but let's have some input on this obviously barbaric
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497 debabcle blow to morality....not for one side or the
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498 other as always...Shibumi
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499 ***************************************
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500 B.A.D,
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501 Lemme see.... The LITHP interpreter is about 300 lines long the
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502 way it looks from my viewing. It has atoms and complete basic
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503 operation. I'd really be interested in that FORTH interpreter.
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504 If It's so slow, I'd turn it into machine language. Is it in
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505 MICROSOFT basic? If so, could you type it into this system?
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506 or would you rather just download it to me? Talk to ya later....
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507
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508
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509 Tron
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510
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511 4051 OWNERS OR ONES WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE, I HAVE AN EXTRA KEYBOARD
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512 FOR ONLY $35.00, WHAT I PAID FOR IT. IF YOU DONT KNOW WHAT A 4051
|
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513 IS YOU PROBABLY DON'T WANT THE KEYBOARD. CALL 503 635-xxxx EVES
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514 OR WEEKENDS, ASK FOR WILL.
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535 The way I have gotten the most recalcitant cat to take medicine:
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536 1) hold cat by throat
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537 2) force cat's mouth open with thumb andfinger,
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538 3) toss pill to back of mouth, force down with finger if ness.
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539 4) have cat declawed and hands sutured.
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540 ---------Max Grody--------------------------------------------
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541 -----
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542 Shouldn't you have the cat declawed BEFORE you try to get it to take medicine?
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543 -----
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544 Same old question, Tron:
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545 Does the Lisp run under CP/M or TrashDos? Hmmmmmmmm?
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546 --------------------
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547 **************************HELLO HAROLD*********************************LARRY
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548 doesn't anyone ever quit gripping about trs's lets see something new and int
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549 intelligent !!!!
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550
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551
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552 SMURF,
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553 break
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554 Having had experience with a new Mod 4 and TRSDOS 6.0, I can't
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555 say enough good stuff about it. Ya think Tandy is finally
|
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556 getting their act together? I've heard nice things about the
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557 Mod 16 and Xenix, too. Isn't is a true UNIX system licensed
|
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558 by Bell Labs?
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559 Anyway, one question about the mod 4:
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560 Why didn't they use a green phosphor screen?
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561 :::::::::::::::****************::::::::::::::::::**************
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562 Yes, the LITHP runs under ANY DOS. To sumone above:
|
||
563 Raido Shack likes to spend as less money as they can. Since the
|
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564 green screens cost more, they didn't want to do that. But, In
|
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565 the near future, they will be putting out a green screen to fit
|
||
566 over the top of the screen they currently have now. Yes, the
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567 XENIX is an EXCELLENT prototype of UNIX. Does a mighty fine job
|
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568 if you ask me. I kinda wish I had a model 16 myself. That's the
|
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569 next computer I'm gonna buy.
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570
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571 Tron
|
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572 ----------
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573 TO: ANYONE
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574 I AM IN NEED OF ANY LOCAL BBS
|
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575 SYSTEMS. IF YOU KNOW OF ANY, PLEASE
|
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576 LEAVE A MESSAGE........BRETT JOHNSON
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577 *********************************************************
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