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1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask....
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2 ******************* REMOVED: 26 APR 83 *****************************
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3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator
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5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION PLACED ON
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6 THIS SYSTEM.
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11 advertisments by the users. As the system is privatly owned, I retain the
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14 periodically purged of older messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved)
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23 ========================================
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24
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25 ******************************************
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26 Consider a load of trash dumped somewhere. Is the main problem:
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27 1. The waste of resources (recyclability)
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28 2. The aesthetics (It's UGLY!)
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29 3. The potential damage to who-knows-what.
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30 *******************************************
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31 :::::::
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32 SOMETHING I SAW A WHILE BACK...
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33 TO DO IS TO BE: NIETZSCHE
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34 TO BE IS TO DO: SARTRE
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35 DO BE DO BE DO: SINATRA
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36 :::::::
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37 ******************************************************************
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38 The man who permits his attention to be monopolized by an argument
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39 directed against some detail, to the extent of overlooking the work
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40 as a whole and the manifold proofs on which it stands, will only
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41 demonstrate the narrowness of his approach.
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42 He will be like that "conscientious scientist," Professor Twist in
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43 Ogden Nash's verse, who went on an expedition to the jungles, taking
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44 his bride with him. When, one day, the guide brought news that an
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45 alligator had eaten her, the professor could not but smile. "You mean,"
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46 he said, "a crocodile?"
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47 Immanuael Velikovsky February 1952
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48 ******************************************************************
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49 Cheese, Glitch...Why throw me into that fantasy of yours? But, if I have to be
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50 there: I happily volunteer to a) cover my ears {and eyes on the off-chance
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51 that any two of the other four can write, much less spell}, b) stifle a
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52 constant urge to point out the futility of those four shouting to be heard,
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53 yet not willing to listen, much less hear, except to provide transportation
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54 toward their next trip down babbling brook, c) slink quietly back to the
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55 slime corner that Agora so generously allowed me, and d) promise to agree to
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56 anything that comes from it, knowing "in my heart-of-hearts" that none outside
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57 a small circle will care.
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58 Was it you curious about children and nuclear fears? "Dark Circle" should be
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59 the next movie for you to see...but do remember, somebody is taking your
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60 money at the door.
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61 HUMBUG, still looking to buy a good used VIC-20...cash.
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62 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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63 ASSUMTIONS OF SCIENCE:
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64 A. CAUSALITY: CAUSE AND EFFECT
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65 B. DETERMINISM: LAWS AND RELATIONSHIPS
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66 C. PREDICTION: ANTICIPATION OF THE FUTURE
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67 D. VERIFIABILITY: PUBLIC OBSERVATION AND REPLICATION
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68
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69 METHODS OF SCIENCE ( EMPIRICAL MMETHOD)
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70 A. OBSERVATION
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71 B. CLINICAL METHOD: IDIOGRAPHIC MANIPULATION
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72 C. EXPERIMENTAL METHOD: USE OF INDEPENDENT AND DEPENDANT VARIABLES
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73 WITHIN AN EXPERIMENTAL AND A CONTROL GROUP
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74 HYPOTHETICAL CONSTRUCTS
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75 (EMPIRICAL) DEDUCTION: INDUCTION: BASED ON HYPOTHESIS
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76 HYPOTHISIS.....THEORY.......LAW
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77 HYPOTHISIS BECOMES THEORY, THEORY BECOMES LAW
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78 (NOTE THAT SCIENCE DOESNT WASTE TIME SEARCHING FOR "TRUTH")
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79 YET ANOTHER PLUG FOR EMPIRICISM.... SPAM
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80 ==========================
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81 "Details! Details! Remember, the tire's only flat on the bottom!
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82 ==========================
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83 AS MUCH AS I TIRE OF SOME OF THE LONG-WINDED PHILOSOPHICAL
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84 ARGUMENTS LATELY, I LIKE'EM A LOT BETTER THAN THE V.G.
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85 GIBBERISH WE USED TO HAVE (KNOCK ON WOOD.)
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86 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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87 BORED BORED BORED BORED BORED BORED BORED BORED BORED BORED BORED BORED
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88 (MY GARFIELD IMITATION)
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89 ......................................................................
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90 Why recycle? It is cheaper, both in initial cost, and later in operating
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91 costs to make the container part of the product, or itself useful.
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92 Failing that, make it so thin it is worthless. The fact that byproducts
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93 can be made from 'waste' doesn't help much as they are usually of much
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94 less value.
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95 The fact that something can be done, and that doing it may be good isn't
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96 enough, it must be better to do it than not to. Speaking of the 'cost'
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97 of something may seem only to imply dollars, but if I may, it can also
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98 refer to all things bad in doing something. In order to balance whether
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99 something is best done, or if doing it does more harm than good, we need
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100 to measure both the good and the bad in some common way, usually by
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101 assigning a dollar value to each. It isn't always easy. What is the value
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102 of clean air? (This means less medical bills as well as pretty sky.)
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103 What is a human life worth? (Read this last as "what are we willing to
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104 pay for a safer highway?") At what level of risk from contamination will
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105 we draw the line? (This risk is higher with recycled stuff.)
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106 The costs of recycling are hidden because they are spread out. Returning
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107 the used bottles from the grocer is cheap, as noted the same truck can
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108 take them back, but the grocer needs to store the dirty, unsanitary bottles.
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109 Do you want trash stored with your food? Newspapers are often recycles
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110 because of their high visiblity, but newprint is the least valuable paper.
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111
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112 Recycling on a consumer level is best described as a hobby: fun but not
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113 very valuable. It can be made to turn a profit, but the time spent doing
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114 it could be more valuable doing something else. However, if you like to
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115 do it , do it. But don't tell me how wonderful it is, if it was so great
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116 we would have to fight off the big companies for it.
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117 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$B.A.D.$$$Apr 5, 83 $$$$$$$$$$$
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118 GAG ME WITH TRASH
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119 -------
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120 BAD: sorry it took so long to get back to you.
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121 Metalaw is an attempt to constuct an ethical system that could
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122 be applied "universally". The "standard" case that I've seen is
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123 "Ok, a spaceship from Mugwump VII has just landed. This "creature"
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124 has slithered out. It seems to be intelligent. On what basis are
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125 you going to interact with it? (remember the Indians!)"
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126 As you can see, when they say universal they aren't kidding!
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127 Actually they do seem to have some interesting & possibly useful
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128 ideas. If you're interested I'll try to find some of my references.
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129 _______________________________F - I W_________________________
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130 As to recycling, I note that industry isn't filling all those
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131 dumps, consumers are! If there is a use for a waste material
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132 industry will sell it for that purpose. I work at Wacker Siltronic
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133 and we make silicon wafers for Intel, TI, etc. We have lots of
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134 "waste" silicon (bad wafers, process scrap, etc) all of it "too
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135 contaminated" to be recycled (ie more than .0000001% impurities)
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136 What do we do with it? We sell it to steel mills as high purity
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137 silicon for silicon steels. (their idea of high purity= 99.9%).
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138 We do have wastes that aren't recycled. They are either in small
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139 amounts (ie too expensive) or useless.
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140 The consumer (you and me) can rarely get as much out of
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141 recycling as we put in, or at least it feels that way. We can't
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142 sell much of our waste products & those that we can don't net
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143 enough for the time we put in. We need some sort of centralized
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144 setup to have enough volume to be worth the trouble. But I suspect
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145 that we won't vote to pay for it. Too bad, we could use it.
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146 As for the returnable bottle problem: I have a friend
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147 who works for a supermarket. He told me why they don't like
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148 returnable cans (bottles aren't QUITE as bad!). They have to pay
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149 for the cans individually, but they get paid for them by the BAG!
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150 Since there are usually a few squashed, bent etc cans they lose
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151 money. But neither they nor the drivers have the time (@ $$/hr)
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152 to count things individually. Come up with a PRACTICAL solution
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153 to this and you'll make a LOT of people happy.
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154 ........................Leonard.............................
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155 THOSE CANS THAT ARE TAKEN BACK BY STORES ARE USUALLY BY MEASURE
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156 OF THE BAG SIZE AND NOT THE CONTENT OF THE BAG BY WEIGHT WHICH
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157 IT SOULD BE-MOST CANS ARE PRODUCDED BY VOLUME ON A WEIGHT SCALE
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158 IN RELATION TO THE RAW MATERIALS THAT GO INTO THEM-THE ONLY DIFF
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159 -ENCE IS THE SIZE-NO BIG PROBLEM TO OVERCOME.A GOOD WAY TO SAVE
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160 SOME ENERGY, COMPARED TO WHAT IT TAKES TO MELT THOSE MATERIALS
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161 (RAW)TO GET THE FIRST FORM(CANS)THE VOLUME THAT LEONARD TALKED
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162 ABOUT BEFORE THIS IS RIGHT THERE-QUOTE-"DUMPS"YOU HAVE A MASS OF
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163 MATERIALS THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH SO IT GET'S THROWN
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164 INTO THE CAN BEHIND THE HOUSE, BUT MOST OF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT
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165 CAN BE RE-USED, BE IT BOTTLES USED OVER OR MATERIALS THAT CAN BE.
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166 WE HAVE THE LUXURY OF THROWING IT OUT BUT WILL WE ALWAYS HAVE THAT?
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167 WHY NOT RECYCLE NOW INSTEAD OF WAITING FOR THE IMPARITIVIES OF USE
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168 AND ACCESS..........................THE O.J.KID.......4/5/83......
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169 COMPUTER CARDS(PUNCH)ARE ABOUT THE BEST PAPER YOU CAN RECYLE AND
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170 PRINT OUT COMES NEXT TO NEWSPRINT AND CARDBOARD AND THESE ARE ONLY
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171 FIBER MATERIALS IN THE TOP RECYCABLES OF PAPER-THERE ARE MANY MORE
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172 DOWN THE SCALE AND MANY ARE BENIFITTING FROM JUST THIS AVENUE.THE
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173 WHOLE SITUATION HAS BECOME BLURRED BY WHAT MIGHT BE COST EFFECTIVE
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174 BUT THERE ISN'T A SOUND BASE HERE IF YOU THROW ALL ATTACHMENTS OF---
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175 IT WILL COST MORE, IT'S TRASH-I DON'T WANT IT AROUND, IT'S TO MUCH
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176 TROUBLE,WILL I HAVE TO TAKE IT TO A CENTER, I DON'T HAVE THE TIME,
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177 LET SOMEONE ELSE DO IT,....WHAT IS THE ANWSER????REALIZING THAT WE
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178 DON'T HAVE TO WASTE ANYTHING-WE ALL BENIFIT IN THE END BY REUSING.
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179 ************************************THE O.J.KID*:****4/5/83*******
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180 Although I may have seemed to, i don't mean that recycling is bad, there
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181 are other benefits otthat are hard to see, like long term shortages, but
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182 in balance, the reason there is little household recycling is very simple:
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183 it isn't worth it. There is a good reason why the bottlers fight the
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184 recycling, it costs them more. As to waiting for the time when we
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185 absolutely must recycle, it probably is the best way to get people to do
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186 it, and is a valid reason; whereas the present blather is just that, and
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187 there is really very little reason to recycle most stuff now, directly.
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188 The bigger problem is getting rid of the wastes. Recycling will not help
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189 here much, because it only deals with the better stuff, not the high
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190 volume trash. If you really want to do something useful, invent a workable
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191 way to burn trash cleanly. (It might even turn a profit, there is a lot of
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192 fuel value in garbage; but if it is only cheaper than what we have it will
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193 pay off.)
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194
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195 UP 10
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196 ENTER
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197 I CAN'T REALLY GET DOWN- ALL I CAN SAY IS-LETS GET TOGETHER AS A GROUP
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198 AND I CAN SHARE SOME INSIGHT ON "TRASH", "WASTE" AND ANYONE WHO REALLY
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199 WANTS TO SEE THE REAL POSSIBILITIES,OUT THERE--I ANYONE IS SERIOUS ABOUT
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200 I CAN SHOW YOU ALL THE VARIOUS COMPANIES AND SOME INDUSTRY IN THIS AREA
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201 AND MORE TO GET A IDEA THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO SIT IN OUR HOUSE AND SAY-
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202 FINE:,SOMEONE ELSE WILL DO IT.I HAVE WORKED IN JUST ABOUT EVERY INDUSTRY
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203 TALKED ABOUT AND I'M STILL A KID AND IT BLOWS ME AWAY BECAUSE OF THE
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204 WAY PEOPLE WANT TO SWEEP IT UNDER THE RUG-I CAN SHOW ANYONE WITH SOME
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205 TIME JUST WHAT WAITS OUT THEIR AND WASTE THEY WOULD NOT EXCEPT.IT HAS
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206 NOTHING TO DO WITH COST EFFECTIVENESS OR PROFITS-JUST A LITTLE COMMON
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207 HAS ANYONE EVER STOOD ON A MOUNTAIN OF WHAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO THE
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208 "DUMP" AND BEEN OVERWELED BY WHAT THEY SEE-IT IS A SIGHT TO BEHOLD-
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209 ALL THIS IS GOING TO BE PLOWED UNDER WHEN MOST OF IT COULD BE USED
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210 BY RECYCLING-IS SOMEONE GOING TO GET THEIR HANDS DIRTY?????MORE THAN
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211 _________________________________________
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212 I might be more enthusiasic about recycling, except for all
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213 the nature-nuts and eco-freaks around. Unusually disgusting example:
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214 A few years ago I saw some show where some enthusiastic loonie suggested
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215 that if we must watch our energy-wasteful televisions, we should get
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216 some sort of pedalled alternator and generate our own electricity.
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217
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218 What a LOONIE! First, there is the not-insignificant possibility
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219 that this could damage the TV. Second, TV's don't use much electricity,
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220 anyway. Third, watching TV can use a lot less juice than most anything
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221 else, including reading under a lamp. Fourth, the overall cost of food
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222 energy is probably 100 times more expensive than hydropower, coal, or
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223 nuclear-powered generation.
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224 True, pedalling such a monstrosity would be good excercise, but
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225 that wasn't that idiot's main idea. While this idea may be on the "lunatic
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226 fringe", I see reasoning that is only somewhat less insane every day.
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227 There are some places where conservation and recycling can,
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228 should, and will be done. And I'll help. (I already do.) But correspondingly,
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229 some things can't be done. Learn the difference.
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230 ___________________________________________
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231 EEEEEEEKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!
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232 OHMIGOD!!! THE VALS LEAVE FOR JUST A LITTLE WHILE AND YOU SEE WHAT
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233 HAPPENS!!!!?????? THESE SILLY GIRLS START TAKING THEMSELVES ENTIRELYELY TOO
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234 SERIOUSLY!! GAG ME WITH TRASH BARFO MAXIMAL WHEN WILL THESE SILLY TYPE
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235 A PERSONS GET OVER THEMSELVES!!!!!!
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236
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237 ANYWAY BACK TO CULTURE G I R L F R I E N D I'M NOT ON YOUR DRESS AND
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238 MY DEAR PLEASE RETURN MY HOOPSKIRT EEEEEEKKKKK!!!! ANYWAY MY BOYFRIEND ERNIE
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239 ALWAYS SAYS HIT ME BEAT ME HURT ME HOLD ME BUT NOT IN THAT ORDER
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240 MOON U ARE YOU STILL ALIVE?????? HEARD YOU STOLE YOUR MAMA'S BOYFRIEND
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241 GET OFF HER DRESS!!!!!
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242
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243 LIKE TOTALLY MAXIMAL
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244 HUG YOUR FACE
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245 THE VAL GAL
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246
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247 PS HAVE WE TRADED FILES BEFORE????
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248
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249 FLUFFFLUFFFLUFFFLUFFFLUFFFLUFFFLUFFFLUFFFLUFFFLUFFFLUFFFLUFFFLUFFFLUFFFLUFF
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250
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251 ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
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252 WELL VAL, YOU SOUND LIKE MY KINDA GAL.MAYBE WE COULD GET TOGETHER
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253 AND PLAY WITH MY WHIPS,CHAINS,AND GREAT DANES.LIKE FOR SURE FOR
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254 SURE. CAN YOU BE KINKY STRAIGHT AND GAY?DO YOU GET INTO WATER SPORTS?
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255 ==========================================================================
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256 To SPAM: Science DOES seek to establish truth. Even your beloved
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257 empirical approach does. Both Special and General Relativity were
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258 theoretical speculation that was later confirmed empirically by experiment.
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259 As you pointed out, reasoning can be inductive or deductive. Truth is
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260 the recognition of reality and is achieved thru reasoning. Truth is
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261 verified empirically but is postulated theoretically. Seeking theories
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262 that are "true" is implicit in all science. But as in all endeavors,
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263 there are charlatans. By their fruits ye shall know them, as HUMBUG
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264 alluded to. To HUMBUG: This is a free forum--you just don't like to be
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265 rendered naked by clear analysis of your views. You complement my bright
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266 style by expressing annoyance at it. I must be doing something right!
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267 =====================AGORA CADRE============06APR83--2110==================
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268 After reading for the tenth time the same repetitous verbage from Agora Cadre
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269 et al, I think I shall bow out of this whole non-realistic/unethical/immoral
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270 thing, and return to life as I love and know it befor I lose my sanity
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271 (assuming you have left me with any at all.)
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272 ........... finally yours, the exwarior ...... 6 apr 83 ............
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273 AGORA
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274 SCIENCE DOES NOT SEEK TRUTHS,BUT RATHER TO ESTABLISH FACTUAL KNOWLEDGE.
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275 SCIENTISTS OBSERVE OCCURANCES EMPIRICALY TO FIND CONSISTANT REPETITION
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276 OF EVENTS. THEY TRY TO MAKE A PREMISE OR FOUNDATION, FOR THERE
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277 HYPOTESIS,IN THE FORM OF A PREDICTION. PROVE IT TRUE OR FALSE BY MEANS
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278 OF DEDUCTIVE AND INDUCTIVE EXPERIMENTATION, AND GATHERING OF DATA.
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279 APON PROVING THE HYPOTHESIS ENOUGH TIMES IT MAY BE ACCEPTED AS A
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280 THEORY,WHEN THE THEORY HAS BEEN AGAIN CONSISTANTLY PROOVEN INUMBERABLE
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281 TIMES,(HOW MANY IS ALWAYS OPEN TO ARGUMENT) YHEN SAID THEORY MAY BECOME
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282 "LAW". THE DIFFERANCE BETWEEN "TRUTH"AND "KNOWLEDGE" IS MEARLY A PRIME
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283 EXAMPLE OF THE HOMOGINIZATION OF OUR LANGUAGE THROGH USAGE.I EVEN
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284 SAY THINGS ARE "TRUE" WHEN SPEAKING OF FACTS,BUT IN THE PHILOSOPHICAL
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285 SENSE THEY ARE TWO DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT REFFERENTIAL TERMS. SORRY
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286 FOR THE CONFUSION. HEY I REALY ENJOY THIS !! BUT IS GETTING A
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287 BIT OLD ISNT IT? OH WELL ,THANKS FOR THE FEEDBACK EVERYONE!!!!!!
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288 SPAM
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289 ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////
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290 ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
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291 please remember, electricity is not a recyclable material. whenever
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292 you are typing characters into this system, you are using some small
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293 amount of our resources. Keep this in mind, and be brief.......
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294
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295 SLOTH
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296
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297 ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
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298 AGORA...AGORA...AGORA....If only your ears were as active as your fingers!
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299 Challenge you to re-read all your accessable tirades; read them out loud;
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300 listen as you do. Grade yourself on clarity, applied logic, use of
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301 acceptable expert documentation, and self-discipline and control.
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302 Introspection, subject: projected image ... could be valuable for you now.
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303 HUMBUG, hardly naked, and refraining from grade-school name-calling.
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304 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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305 GLITCH--HAVE YOU READ LINES 48+? ADD TO THAT THIS NOTE OF CLARIFICATION:
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306 In direct answer to your earlier P.S., any true intellect would first
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307 consider the value to SOCIETY as he views it of the outcome of such a
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308 situation. If he deems a particular outcome to be essential, he controls
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309 it; if he finds triviality, he conserves himself for situations of
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310 greater import. HUMBUG
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311 ============================================================================
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312 To HUMBUG: GRADE A++. My analysis of your views may offend you. You are
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313 personally responsible for the views you express in public. And I am for
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314 mine. Why don't you examine the substance of my views? You probably don't
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315 because you find name-shoes that fit. I've done more philosophical essay
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316 than name calling. As I've stated before, my aggressive style and
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317 dramatic hyperbole is simply a way to spice the conversation.
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318 =================AGORA CADRE==============07APR83--1846====================
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319 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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320 Dear HUMBUG:
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321 Yes, and thanks. It's interesting that yours is the only open comment.
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322 I put you in for balance (ballast?). I find it amusing that "philosiphors"
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323 don't aknowledge any contact with the outside world unless it is in the
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324 proper "code". And they wonder why no one listens.... If one has to use
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325 words of more than 15 letters to get across such simple (and important!)
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326 ideas, it starts to look like mutual mental masterbation. Almost as bad
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327 as economics.
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328 the Phantom Glitch
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329 ------------------------------------------------4-7-83---------------------
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330 Now I know why philosophy isn't liked. Agora gave it too bad a name.
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331 GAG ME WITH ETHICS.
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332 ===================================================
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333 Your Honor: My client is innocent! He has done more sleeping than murdering!
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334 ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((())))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
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335 BYE
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336 A RECIPE FOR ORGANIC GARDENERS: TAKE 30 GARDENSNAILS AND 30 EARTH WORMS
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337 OF MIDDLING SIZE, BRUISE YE SNAILS AND WASH THEM AND YE WORMS IN FAIR
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338 WATERS, CUT YE WORMS IN PIECES. BOIL THESE IN A QUART OF SPRING WATER TO
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339 A PINT. POUR IT BOILING ON 2 OUNCES OF CANDIED ERINGO ROOT SLICED THIN.
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340 WHEN IT IS COLD STRAIN IT THROUGH A FINE FLANNEL BAG. TAKE A QURTER OF A
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341 PINT OF IT WARM, WITH AN EQUAL QUANTITY OF COW@S MILK TILL WELL, AT TWILIGHT.
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342 *********** RAVEN ********** 4-8-83 A.D. *******************************
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343 EXIT
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344 Yummy, just love to eat organic gardeners
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345 ...??????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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346
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347 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::4-9-83:::::::::::::::
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348 IS THERE ANYONE OUT THERE THAT HAS A IDEA TO THE VALUE OF A 1950
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349 BUICK 4 DOOR-SUPER 50 SERIES-STRAIGHT 8,STOCK WITH 70,000 0R. MILES?
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350 CONCERNING THE BUICK-THE NUMBER FOR ANY RESPONSE IS 288-4047(RICK).
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351 TO MIKE DAY
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352 WAS WONDERING IF YOU RECIEVED YOUR CARE PACKAGE????????THE O.J. KID....
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353
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354 YES, TNX. THEY WILL BE VERY USEFULL.
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355 ..............................................
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356 TO: ALL USERS FM: CISTOP MIKEY RE: NEW SYSTEM FUNCTION ADDED
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357 WELL, SINCE A FEW USERS OUT THERE SEEM TO NOT BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT
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358 HOW TO HANG UP THEIR PHONE, I HAVE BEEN FORCED TO ADD A TIMEOUT
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359 FUNCTION TO BWMS SO THAT THE SYSTEM WILL NOT BE TIED UP.
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360 EFFECTIVE AS OF TODAY BWMS WILL HANG UP UPON 10 MINUTES OF NO
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361 ACTIVITY ON THE SYSTEM. HOPEFULLY THIS WILL ALLOW THE SYSTEM TO
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362 BE MORE AVAILABLE TO YOU ITS USERS.
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363 ******** CISTOP MIKEY ***** 10 APR 83 ****************************
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364 ABOUT THE VAL-GALS:
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365 ARE THEY JUST DRUG-USING FEMALES THAT CANNOT FACE REALITY,
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366 OR ARE THEY THE (MENTALLY) DEFECTIVE OFFSPRING OF VALIUM-
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367 USING MOTHERS?
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368 ********************MAX GRODY*******************************
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369
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370 HELLO, THIS IS JUST A TEST TO SEE IF I AM GETTING THRU.
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371 ********************************************************
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372 MY WORD, DID EVERYBODY UP AND KEEL OVER FROM EXHAUSTION AFTER THE
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373 MARATHON ETHICS DEBATE? THIS THING HAS BEEN HORENDOUSLY QUIET FOR
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374 SEVERAL DAYS NOW. EL ZIPPO ON ACTIVITY. THINGS HAVE GONE FROM
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375 CHANGING DISKS EVERY TWO DAYS TO NO ACTIVITY AT ALL IN TWO DAYS.
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376 TALK ABOUT YOUR WIDE VARIANCE IN ACTIVITY. GAD... COME ON LETS GO PEOPLE...
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377 ****** CISTOP MIKEY THE PERPLEXED ONE ***** 12 APR 83 *****************
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378 ?????/??????//////?????????///////?????????/////////
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379 Ethics? Bah, Humbug. Let me get some sleep!
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380 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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381 SLOTH-
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382 WHAT ABOUT "VIBRATORS?"
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383
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384 ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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385 EXIT
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386
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387
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388
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389
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394 ANY CHICKENS OUT THERE , WANTING TO GO THRILLSEEKING ?
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395 SIGNED,
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396 CHICKEN HAWK
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397 44444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444
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398 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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399 IT ALL DEPENDS ON HOW HARD THEY ARE BEING USED. DOESN'T IT?
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400 SLOTH
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401 ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
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402 Here's a new subject, and one that will not go away:
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403
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404 How do we get the women interested in computers and modems????
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405
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406 Leave your thoughts on the matter - How, why, why not,
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407 opinions about women in general, etc.
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408 ***********************************************************
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409 Did anyone see the Red-Head at CP/MUG tuesday????
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410 ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
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411 If she's interested in computers, I'm interested in computers.
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412 If she's interested in bluebirds, I'm interested in bluebirds.
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413 etc, etc.
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414 the Phantom Glitch
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415 696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969646139836969696969
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416 Yup. Yup. Yup. Yup. Yup. I would say about an 8.5.
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417 ***** the exwarior *********************************************
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418 FOR ALL WHO MIGHT BE INTERESTED--------THERE WILL BE A GATHING
|
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419 OF CONCERNED PEOPLE CONCERNING THE IRS AND THEIR ACTIONS ON APRIL 15,
|
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420 1983 AT THE FEDERAL BUILDING DOWNTOWN AT 9:30 WITH SPEAKERS AND
|
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421 ANOTHER AT 8:00 PM ON AT THE MAIN POST OFFICE DOWNTOWN ON BROADWAY.
|
||
422 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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423 Having thought at length about boy-girl-computer relations rather frequently, I
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||
424 have drawn the conclusions that (1) if you are of high school or college age,
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||
425 you'll probably have increasing opportunities for electronic gratification with
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426 opposite-gender types, and (2) if you're out of school, you'll do better to
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427 pull the plug regularly {don't want to become totally enraptured with these
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428 things, do you} and to just ask someone you've met AROUND some computer in use
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429 to join you for refreshments and recreation. Don't forget: computers are still
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||
430 cold and impersonal to many people; the cry for opposite-gender friendship is
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||
431 destined to be ignored by those who prefer face-to-face interaction, without
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||
432 this electronic intermediary. If you buy (1) and (2), I offer you a home-spun
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||
433 rule: If it's your work, don't also make it your hobby.
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434 the real HUMBUG
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435 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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436 MIKE: Why not ask callers to identify themselves by occupation, gender, and age
|
||
437 ? It couldn't help but be interesting to see who's using your system, right?
|
||
438 HUMBUG self-employed financial and computer advisor, M, 38
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439 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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440 Why not, it sounds like a start at least...
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441 CISTOP MIKEY - Chief engineer Edge Technology, male, single, 32
|
||
442 ................................................................................
|
||
443 after we hear from some female, it will become interesting to answer,
|
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444 until then I guess I am in the company of men.
|
||
445 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~B.A.D. ~~male, 37~~~~~~~~
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||
446 *************************************
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447 Computers are especially addictive, often to the chagrin of the
|
||
448 computer-widows. Both my father and cousin are 'guilty' of
|
||
449 practically abandoning their wives for hours on end, totally
|
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450 enraptured by their computers. I'm not claiming innocence:
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451 I was the one that started them on this road.
|
||
452 Remember the old saying: "Women; you can't live with them
|
||
453 and you can't live without them." In computers, that saying
|
||
454 turns out to be: "Computers; your female friends can't live with
|
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455 them and you can't live without them."
|
||
456 **************************************
|
||
457 The reason there are so few women on the BBS' is that they
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458 are so selfish and self-centered and the computer does nothing
|
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459 to flatter them
|
||
460 *****************Max Grody**********************************
|
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461 Well, at least that's a different outlook on the subject. I can't say
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462 as I agree with it, but it is different. Actually I know of a number
|
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463 of women who work with or on computers, however most of them don't
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464 really care for an extended relationship with the computer, and I don't
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||
465 blame them for it. It is very difficult to have any kind of meaningfull
|
||
466 relationship with a computer. When was the last time you saw a computer
|
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467 ask its operator out to a dinner, or the movies? Lets face it, COMPUTERS
|
||
468 ARE NO FUN!!! So why am I here using this computer? It is simple, I am
|
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469 a certified C.P.A. (Computer Phreak Aholic) Maybe we should form a
|
||
470 group to help one anouther get over this insane and social threating
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471 disease. We could call it CPA. (Computer Pheaks Anonymous) Some one help
|
||
472 me please before I turn into a Z80! How to identify a real C.P.A.
|
||
473 "Not now honey, I'm trying to get this sort routine working."
|
||
474 "I can't use the keyboard in that position!" "please, you're getting
|
||
475 whipped cream on the listings!" "What do you mean you have a headache?
|
||
476 It's only 2000 more lines of code for you to type in." "Honey?" Honey?..."
|
||
477 *** CISTOP MIKEY (In one of my more lucid moments) *** 14 APR 83 ***
|
||
478 ............................................................................
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||
479 d
|
||
480 Which is more useful, a woman or a computer? Answer: That depends
|
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481 on the kind of peripherals the computer has!
|
||
482 ...........................................................................
|
||
483 YOU'RE RIGHT, Mike: almost good spelling, some imagination, a touch of humor...
|
||
484 all in one outburst of lucidity! Don't stop now. HUMBUG (smirk)
|
||
485 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|
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486 COME ON, FOLKS...PLAY THE GAME...IDENTIFY YOURSELVES BY OCCUPATION ( or pre-
|
||
487 occupation), GENDER, AGE, AND your favorite NICKNAME for yourself. JOIN IN!
|
||
488 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
|
||
489 at midnight tonite (april 15 ) the telephone company will cut 42,000
|
||
490 customers over to a new computerized switcher, from 2 old relay
|
||
491 switchers, sxs and 5xb. tThis will affect all 252,253,254,255,256,257
|
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492 office numbers. wish us luck.
|
||
493 ===================================================B.A.D.===============
|
||
494 THIS THE FRIST TIME I HAVE BEEN ON BROAD
|
||
495 HELP
|
||
496 ??????????????????
|
||
497 Which BROAD, might I ask?
|
||
498 ??????????????????
|
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499 With wise cracks like 497, is there any question why ladies don't log on?!
|
||
500 =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
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||
501 ;;;;;;;
|
||
502 With bad spelling like nearly every message on this disk, it's a wonder
|
||
503 we all can communicate. Cmon, folks, if you can't spell it, don't say
|
||
504 it. There ought to be a "National Be Kind to Literates" week.
|
||
505 ;;;;;;;
|
||
506 WHAT ABOUT A NATIONAL BE KIND TO ILLITERATES WEEK?
|
||
507 .
|
||
508 It is estimated that there were some 3 to 4 million computers sold last
|
||
509 year. Are they taking over the world? Not yet, it is also estimated that
|
||
510 1 human brain ha about the same computing power as all 3,000,000 of them.
|
||
511 And ther were over 50 million people born in the same time.
|
||
512 Of course, considering the comments on this BBS, I wonder if any
|
||
513 of them think. (either computers or humans)
|
||
514 ---not cynical, just B.A.D.------------------4/17/83///2320pn----------
|
||
515 Mike: Some modems WON'T drop carrier until the other end does!
|
||
516 I became painfully aware of this some time back. I have Ma Bell's
|
||
517 "wonderful" home executive service, which allows 2 lines on 1
|
||
518 phone (while using the existing wiring!). To hang up my phone
|
||
519 I had to turn off the modem. This sent a pulse(or something)
|
||
520 that the home exec unit would trip out on. THIS required dis-
|
||
521 connecting the phone (in 2 places!). I have since kludged up
|
||
522 a solution, but it was VERY annoying for awhile.
|
||
523 In case the above makes someone wonder about the home
|
||
524 executive service, my advice is DON'T!!!! Besides the problem
|
||
525 with relays inside the unit triggering out of sequence which
|
||
526 caused the above problem, there are others. The worst is cross-
|
||
527 talk between the lines. If line #1 rings while I'm on-line on
|
||
528 line 2 the ring pulses leaking over scramble data wonderfully.
|
||
529 (it once took 5 minutes for the download program to recover
|
||
530 from all the errors caused by TWO (2) RINGS!). I am slowly
|
||
531 rewiring for 2 lines so I can get out from under. Take my advice
|
||
532 and avoid this mistake.
|
||
533 Leonard- lapper/edge rounder at Wacker Siltronic-
|
||
534 28 male
|
||
535 ________________________________________________________________
|
||
536 B.A.D.:
|
||
537 In regard to my previous msg, since you seem to be
|
||
538 "connected" with Ma Bell, could you tell me where I could get
|
||
539 info on the pinout for 50-pin telephone connectors. I could
|
||
540 also use info on how the phone co. would feel about my wiring
|
||
541 one up so I could use both my phone lines from one phone (using
|
||
542 something along the lines of one of Radio Shack's multi-line
|
||
543 contollers)?
|
||
544 Leonard
|
||
545 _______________________________________________________________
|
||
546 WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HERPIES AND TRUE LOVE ?
|
||
547 ANS: HERPIES IS FOREVER.
|
||
548 HAW HAW HAW ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
|
||
553
|
||
557 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
|
||
558 I don't see much commentary on women yet- must be that you all agree
|
||
559 with me and/or really don't want women around!
|
||
560 **********Max Grody - who cares?*************************************
|
||
561 ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
|
||
563
|
||
564 ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
|
||
565 ANYONE OUT THERE KNOW HOW TO CONNECT A TS-1OOO AND
|
||
566 A JVC HR-6700U TOGETHER FOR ADDING TITLES TO TAPES OR ANY OTHER
|
||
567 SPECIAL EFECTS?
|
||
568 THANKS MIKE
|
||
569 ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
|
||
570 COULD THE LACK OF FEMALE RESPONSE ON THE BOARD BE DUE TO EARLIER SOCIAL
|
||
571 PROGRAMING, ROLE MODELS OR SOCIETIES WILLINGNESS TO EXCEPT WOMEN IN
|
||
572 ROLES OTHER THAN BEING A HOUSEWIFE AND MOTHER RAISING KIDS?????????????
|
||
573 IT ALL RAISES A LOT OF QUESTIONS , BUT I THINK A LOT OF WOMEN HAVE AND
|
||
574 ARE BREAKING OUT OF THIS MOLD -IT NOT GOING TO BE-OH IT'S MECHANICAL OR
|
||
575 DEALS WITH ELECTRICITY SO I CAN'T DO IT- THE DOOR HAS BEEN OPENED AND
|
||
576 I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE CLOSED IN OUR LIFE TIME.****THE O.J.KID-4/18/83
|
||
577 MALE-AGE 28--PRESENT OCCUPATION OF MANY(MARINE MACHINIST)AND STILL LEARN
|
||
578 ING JUST AS I'VE STUMBLED UPON THIS BOARD AND THE COMPUTER.............
|
||
579 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
|
||
580 As if now (19:10, 4/18/83) and for a little while longer, CBBS(tm)/NW is
|
||
581 down because of power failure. The sysop is working on it and thanks all
|
||
582 you who were so nice as to call. ( especially the %&##@ who called and
|
||
583 wasn't so nice). The problem will be fixed as soon as possable.
|
||
584
|
||
585 the Phantom Glitch.
|
||
586
|
||
587 p.s. think nice thoughts of the construction work in beaverton....
|
||
588 may nothing impede it's progress.
|
||
589 """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
|
||
590 Ironic thought:
|
||
591 A few years ago Byte magazine did a survey of its readers, and
|
||
592 found that only around 1% were female. This seems to be highly significant
|
||
593 (though in recent years it may have changed) because:
|
||
594 1. Computer industry isn't a old industry, set it its ways.
|
||
595 2. To program computers doesn't require anything in the way
|
||
596 of muscles or aggressiveness, etc.
|
||
597 3. Computing can be a 'private' hobby. There is no 'male
|
||
598 stigma' attached to it.
|
||
599 4. Most hobbyists are self-motivated, and do not require
|
||
600 external assistance to operate computers.
|
||
601 5. I have never observed an anti-female bias in fellow
|
||
602 hackers.
|
||
603
|
||
604 So why only 1%, when most other jobs that have lots of strikes against
|
||
605 them (old, male-dominated, competitive, full of bias) generally have much
|
||
606 more than 5% women? The old arguments that these factors cause a
|
||
607 disproportionate number of men in a hobby/job don't seem to hold up here.
|
||
608 My theory is that for some reason, women have VOLUNTARILY chosen to ignore
|
||
609 computers. This suggests that perhaps many other fields' "discrimination"
|
||
610 is similarly voluntary. Think about it.
|
||
611 ==========?==========?=========?========?========?========?=======?=======
|
||
612 REGARDING THE CONTINUING CONTROVERY OVER THE MODEM HANGUP PROBLEM, I FIND
|
||
613 (AFTER PORING OVER VARIOUS SPECIFICATIONS AND DATA SHEETS) THAT THE
|
||
614 RESPONSIBILITY FOR INITIATING THE DISCONNECTION LIES WITH THE ANSWERING
|
||
615 DEVICE (I.E., THE BBS). IT MUST EITHER STOP ITS CARRIER, OR SEND A
|
||
616 CONTINUOUS SPACE CHARACTER FOR OVER 1.5 SECONDS. EITHER OF THESE ACTIONS
|
||
617 WILL CAUSE A PROPERLY OPERATING SENDING DEVICE (USER) TO STOP SENDING THE
|
||
618 CARRIER. AT THIS POINT, THE ANSWERING DEVICE CAN (SHOULD) HANG UP, AND
|
||
619 SIMILARLY THE SENDING DEVICE CAN (SHOULD) HANG UP.
|
||
620 OF COURSE, AN ACCOUSTIC-COUPLED MODEM REQUIRES HUMAN INTERVENTION
|
||
621 TO HANG UP, WHILE A DIRECT-CONNECT BUGGER WILL DO IT AUTOMATICALLY (WE HOPE)
|
||
622 HOWEVER, THERE IS REALLY NO WAY THAT SUCH A MODEM CAN KNOW TO HANG UP
|
||
623 UNLESS IT DETECTS THE LOSS OF CARRIER ON THE LINE.
|
||
624 YES, EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE A STANDARD COMES IN HANDY. APPRECIATE THE
|
||
625 ONES WE HAVE, AND WORK OUT A FEW NEW ONES, PLEASE.
|
||
626 I,M JASON AND I DON,T LIKE GIRLS EXCEPT MY MOM AND MY SISTER SHAWNA.I
|
||
627 MEAN IT.MY AGE IS NINE.AND MY BROTHER IS EIGHT YEARS OLD.AND HIS NAME IS
|
||
628 TRAVIS.AND MY DADS NAME IS JERRY.AND HE,S THIRTYFIVE YEARS OLD.AND MY
|
||
629 MOMS NAME IS PAT.AND SHE,S THIRTYONE.AND I LOVE THEM ALL.HA HA HA.BY.GO
|
||
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