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From: SAAVIK
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To: DRAGONFLY
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Subject: He-aled!
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Date & Time: 04/26/91 22:03:57
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Message Number 16101
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I thought Peyote was a root..... not a shroom.... I remember Silacide
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sp? shrooms..... from a long time ago. Used to pick them out of cow
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crap, wash them and make a nasty tasting tea.... guaranteed to make you
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forget a whole week of school work in one sitting.
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From: SAAVIK
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To: DRAGONFLY
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Subject: Say what?
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Date & Time: 04/26/91 22:06:45
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Message Number 16102
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Guess I was lucky in one aspect about my parents.... they were both
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pretty emotional. I mean, if you were sad, you cried, if you were angry,
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you yelled, ect.. I mean, I didn't have to surpress my feelings at home.
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But I was kind of a hostile kid at school, my dad was an alcoholic and
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I used to take my frustrations out at school a lot..... so I guess I
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held stuff in at home so I wouldn't upset my mother.
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From: SAAVIK
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To: THUMPER ONE
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Subject: Traps
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Date & Time: 04/26/91 22:10:23
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Message Number 16103
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Dear Doomed Bunny,
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I'm going to let that comment about my "bad eyes" slide until I recover
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however, when I am back on my feet.... you had better dig a very deep
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hole to hide in!!!!! There's NOTHING wrong with my eyes!!!!!!! (as long
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as I am wearing contacts, that is). People who live in stone houses
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shouldn't throw glass.......er, hmmm, maybe the anesthesia hasn't
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completely worn off yet.
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From: SAAVIK
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To: THUMPER ONE
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Subject: You're Preggers
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Date & Time: 04/26/91 22:12:55
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Message Number 16104
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EIGHT KIDS!!!!! EIGHT KIDS!!!!! NO Vulcan way!!!! Besides, if I wanted
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eight kids by the time I was 35, that'd mean that..... (quick adding
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here) I have 4 years to have 5 kids..... It would have to be a litter...
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GOD, perish the thought.... Vulcans don't have puppies!!!!!
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From: SAAVIK
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To: SCOTT STEEL
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Subject: Whips and chain
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Date & Time: 04/26/91 22:15:53
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Message Number 16105
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SA>Congradulations....
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SS>That's congratulations..."And a double dumb ass to you too"
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Shouldn't there be a comma "And a double dumb ass to you, too."
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Hmmmm? "Just a damn minute, Captain."
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From: SAAVIK
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To: THE SPECIALIST
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Subject: Smart 1 or Amy?
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Date & Time: 04/26/91 22:18:37
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Message Number 16106
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TS>..his dog scared the intruders off. Kinda neat,
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Yeah, most burgulars won't bother a house with a dog in it... but if
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they are bound and determined they will resort to the things you
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mentioned before (gun, poison). But most of the time, they aren't going
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to bother.
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From: SAAVIK
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To: RUFUS
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Subject: Whips and chain
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Date & Time: 04/26/91 22:21:54
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Message Number 16107
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RF>We also played 'Hit the Turtle with various objects'.
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Hmmmm, that sounds like a game that wouldn't do much for Turtle, except
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maybe give him a few new bruises.....
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From: SAAVIK
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To: RUFUS
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Subject: SERIOUS PROBLEM
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Date & Time: 04/26/91 22:23:50
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Message Number 16108
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RF>but I have seen four or five (births) on video, and I thought it
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was 'beautiful'.
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(Saavik links her arm in Rufus's and sticks her tongue out a Turtle)
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Naaaaaaa! See someone agrees with me!!!!!!
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From: SAAVIK
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To: DEATH FENNEC
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Subject: SERIOUS PROBLEM
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Date & Time: 04/26/91 22:25:57
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Message Number 16109
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DF>It deals with friendship and fights....
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Nuff said, I understand what you are talking about, DF..... this is a
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great conflict and I can certainly see why it dismays you.
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From: SAAVIK
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To: DEATH FENNEC
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Subject: SERIOUS PROBLEM
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Date & Time: 04/26/91 22:27:34
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Message Number 16110
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DF>Yeah, well a good star to wish on would be good right now! :)
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You want Kelly McGinnis or Brooke Sheilds?
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/\
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____/ \____
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\ /
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\ /
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/ \
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Would this due?? I ran out of time to finish.... I'm not even supposed
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to be out of bed doing this now.
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From: SAAVIK
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To: DEATH FENNEC
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Subject: Kiddies
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Date & Time: 04/26/91 22:33:12
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Message Number 16111
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DF>I haven't hit on Saavik in awhile!
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You haven't /seen/ Saavik in a while!!!
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From: SAAVIK
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To: P.WHIPPED
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Subject: fruits
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Date & Time: 04/26/91 22:34:36
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Message Number 16112
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SA>There was a black girl named Vanilla...
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PW>I think whe went on to have a sex change, wear lots of pancake
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makeup, and co-star in a Teenage Ninja Mutant Turtle movie.
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And changed her last name to ICE.......
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From: SAAVIK
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To: P.WHIPPED
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Subject: $$$$
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Date & Time: 04/26/91 22:36:41
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Message Number 16113
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No I haven't heard that song "Send me your money." How does it go...??
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From: SAAVIK
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To: SCOTT STEEL
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Subject: SERIOUS PROBLEM
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Date & Time: 04/26/91 22:38:24
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Message Number 16114
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SS to DF>Would you PLEASE stop justifying your margins...it drives me
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crazy.
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Still not smoking, eh, Steel?
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From: SAAVIK
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To: P.WHIPPED
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Subject: Life
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Date & Time: 04/26/91 22:41:10
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Message Number 16115
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PW>To sum up my life in two words right now.....DICKED!
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Um, gee, care to elaborate? Sounds like something is definately not
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going in the direction you want it to.
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From: SAAVIK
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To: HACMAN
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Subject: doby
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Date & Time: 04/26/91 22:44:36
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Message Number 16116
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Saavik, My Doby has been digging holes lately. I think I can hear little
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Chinese voices in one of them.... that's /really/ hard to break them off
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when you aren't around while they are digging. The chewing is getting
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better, she still steal the occasional stuffed animal from my daughters
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room.... but my little girl (4) is a real toughy! She'll chase her down
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and snatch it back then shake her finger at the dog..."No No NO that's
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mine!" then she'll smack her over the head with it.... mind you, being
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smacked with a stuffed animal doesn't hurt anything more than the dogs
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feelings....
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From: TURTLE
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To: P.WHIPPED
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Subject: fruits
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Date & Time: 04/26/91 23:16:15
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Message Number 16117
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>...after all there are fruits that would be more upsetting to have as
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>a namesake.
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Like kumquat, say, or tangelo? Or, moving out of the relm of fruits and
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into the domain of food items in general, there's always "meatloaf"
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or "lima bean" or "toast"...and if we move out of food objects, we
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can have people named "sprocket," "fork," "backgammon," or "clock."
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From: TURTLE
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To: P.WHIPPED
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Subject: T.V. evangelist
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Date & Time: 04/26/91 23:20:14
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Message Number 16118
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>...very important prerequisits for being healed...
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>...send me money...
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"Now if you can only send a dollar or two
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There ain't a hell of a lot I can promise to you
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But if you really want to see Heaven's door
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Make out a check for five hundred dollars or more!
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Seeeeeend me your moooooney
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Seeeeeend me your moooooney..."
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(Lyrics (c) 1991 Suicidal Tendencies/Mega Force Records, Inc.)
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From: TURTLE
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To: P.WHIPPED
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Subject: Toys
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Date & Time: 04/26/91 23:22:38
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Message Number 16119
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>..."My First Saw-Blade Shooter"...
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I want one! I want one! Fischer-Price, you say? Where can I get one?
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From: TURTLE
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To: P.WHIPPED
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Subject: help
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Date & Time: 04/26/91 23:23:38
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Message Number 16120
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>Does anyone else have anymore?
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(S)he has stopped doing the metabolism tango, perhaps?
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From: TURTLE
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To: SCOTT STEEL
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Subject: 15000
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Date & Time: 04/26/91 23:25:26
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Message Number 16121
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>I do not date girls who wanna fool around.
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That's not an insecurity thing, is it? May I assume from that that the
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single most important tihing about any relationship to you is sex?
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From: TURTLE
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To: THUMPER ONE
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Subject: Birth
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Date & Time: 04/26/91 23:28:08
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Message Number 16122
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>Turtle, you have the mind of a computer, ...
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Like hell. Computers don't have minds.
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>...and the soul of one too.
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Not even close.
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From: TURTLE
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To: THUMPER ONE
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Subject: TRust
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Date & Time: 04/26/91 23:29:01
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Message Number 16123
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>Stop that. Be consistant.
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No. (Heh heh heh.)
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From: TURTLE
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To: SCOTT STEEL
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Subject: Odd euphemisms.
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Date & Time: 04/26/91 23:30:02
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Message Number 16124
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Hey, here's one! (S)he has made the ultimate contribution to the
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recycling campaign.
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From: TURTLE
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To: SCOTT STEEL
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Subject: He-aled!
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Date & Time: 04/26/91 23:31:10
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Message Number 16125
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>Actually that [sic] called being "slain in the spirit"...I've had it
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>happen to me...
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Really? You used to be a Charismatic or Gnostic Christian? The closest
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I've ever come to that sensation is when I do that thing where you squat
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down and hyperventilate, then stand up suddenly and have someone come
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up behind you and squeeze your ribcage...it makes you switch off like
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a light bulb. It's a really bizzare sensation, 'cause you are still
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conscious without being self-aware...Bizzare!
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From: TURTLE
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To: SAAVIK
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Subject: SERIOUS PROBLEM
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Date & Time: 04/26/91 23:35:01
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Message Number 16126
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>...it's not the sights...it's the feelings that race through you...
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No, it's the feelings that race through YOU. The feelings that race
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through ME are: Y'know, it takes about a hundred thousand bucks to
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get this bioblob his first job at 18...there goes my Ferrari.
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From: TURTLE
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To: SAAVIK
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Subject: SERIOUS PROBLEM
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Date & Time: 04/26/91 23:36:35
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Message Number 16127
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>*Ding* (Ha, I finally got to ding you)
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And it was /wonderful/...was it good for you, too?
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Y'know, I'm rather proud of the fact that Kelly and I have already out-
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lasted most of the supposedly "more committed" people in this country
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who get married. I refuse to get married myself...not because I don't
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respect the ideals that marriage is built on or because I don't want a
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lasting relationship, but because I feel very strongly that in a society
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where almost all marriages fail, marriage is meaningless. The
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institution of marriage no longer has anything whatsoever to do with the
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ideals of marriage, it no longer serves any function as a way to provide
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a stable environment for raising children, and it no longer has any valu
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as an expression of commitment or love...marriage as it exists in this
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country makes me ill.
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From: TURTLE
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To: SAAVIK
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Subject: Say what?
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Date & Time: 04/26/91 23:40:28
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Message Number 16128
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"Cautious" and "suspicious" are worlds apart...suspicion is just
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about a guarantee of failure in any relationship. As for caution, I
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agree up to a point...remember, "of all forms of caution, caution in
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love is most often fatal" (Freud, I think, although I may be mistaken).
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Sure, if you become intimate with people sooner or later you're gonna
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get clobbered...but so what? If the advantages of intimacy outweigh
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the risks to you, then you simply accept that fact and move on. If they
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don't, you don't form intimate relationships. It's a really simple
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cost/benefit thing, you know?
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From: TURTLE
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To: SAAVIK
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Subject: Not 15000
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Date & Time: 04/26/91 23:44:35
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Message Number 16129
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SS>...women are too confusing.
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SA>Oh, and men aren't?
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Nope. :)
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From: TURTLE
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To: SAAVIK
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Subject: Birth
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Date & Time: 04/26/91 23:45:30
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Message Number 16130
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>He's just never seen a child that he spawned brought into this world.
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And he never will.
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>One day, he'll eat his words.
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The hell he will! You wanna put money on it? The reptile really, really
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detests children...especially the very small variety.
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From: TURTLE
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To: DRAGONFLY
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Subject: Say what?
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Date & Time: 04/26/91 23:48:11
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Message Number 16131
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>/Trust/ is NOT the absence of jealousy.
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No. Trust is what you have when you believe your partner will not
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deliberately do anything to hurt you. Jealousy is your own insecurity
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vented on another person or object.
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>You can't control your feelings.
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That's only true to a certain point. You CAN control the way you respond
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to the people and situations around you. You can also control your own
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self-image. Ain't nobody in the world can affect your own mental state
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unless you /allow/ them to...although you can allow someone by inaction
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as well as by action.
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I say again: Trust is integral to a stable relationship. With no trust,
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there is no stable relationship.
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Jealousy is destructive to any relationship. Jealousy is a reaction
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governed by one of the most ancient portions of the brain--the limbic
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system--and should be left to the lizards and lower life forms where it
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properly belongs. Jealousy has no part in the mind of an intelligent,
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self-determining being. Jealousy is the single most vicious, hateful,
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destructive emotional force in existance, and where there is jealousy
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there is a relationship in trouble. Period.
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From: TURTLE
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To: DRAGONFLY
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Subject: BBS naked!
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Date & Time: 04/26/91 23:54:15
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Message Number 16132
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>Best relaxant: a cuddle with an affectionate woman.
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Nope. Best relaxant: a combination of Demerol and meperidine taken
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intravenously. A cuddle with an affectionate woman does things to
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my physiology that are contraindicated for a state of relaxation...
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although a /massage/ from an affectionate woman is relaxing. English
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Breakfast tea with honey is pretty good, too...as is the afterglow from
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an eighteen-hour hacking fugue, The Indigo Girls, sunset at the beach,
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long solitary drives, and waterbeds.
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From: TURTLE
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To: KNIGHT OWL
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Subject: Volkswagen
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Date & Time: 04/26/91 23:59:40
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Message Number 16133
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>How about a 'Thing' instead? They're convertible!
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So are Type 112 Bugs. There is a long and interesting story behind the
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Thing, though...they were originally designed as general-purpose utility
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vehicles during WWII, and where used by Rommel and his Afrika Korps
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for desert fighting. They're really weird-looking because they were
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designed to have a large machine gun mounted on a tripod in the back.
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The civilian versions don't have the tripod mounts any more, but they
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do still have the pop-off doors. The Thing is actually a Bug with
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a different body; the chassis, drivetrain, and suspension are pure Bug.
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The thing I wanna do is build a sand rail someday...
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From: TURTLE
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To: SAAVIK
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Subject: Say what?
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Date & Time: 04/27/91 00:03:54
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Message Number 16134
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>Question for Turtle...
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Answer for Saavik: I have a younger sister. I can't recall having been
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jealous of her, though. Funny thing, though...Wratt and I had this
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discussion for about two hours last week, and I've got a better handle
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on it now, although I still can't say I understand what it feels like.
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I suspect it's a self-image thing, though; so far every person I've
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discussed the subject with, bar none, have said it primarily comes down
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to an expression of your own insecurity.
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From: TURTLE
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To: SAAVIK
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Subject: VW again
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Date & Time: 04/27/91 00:06:17
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Message Number 16135
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>Actually I've heard they aren't very reliable, ...
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They're just as reliable as a Bug: you see Things with half a million
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miles on 'em fairly frequently. Sure, they break down a lot, but when
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they do you get out some rubber bands and a paper clip and make 'em go
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again. They're so easy to fix a child can do it, and parts for 'em
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generally cost about twelve bucks.
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From: TURTLE
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To: DRAGONFLY
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Subject: He-aled!
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Date & Time: 04/27/91 00:09:51
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Message Number 16136
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>(Turtle, can you help?)
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What, you lookin' to score some? (Heh heh heh.)
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Actually, they're mushrooms of a particular genus I can pronounce but
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can't spell so I won't try, and they're mild hallucinigens. What else
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did you want to know?
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From: TURTLE
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To: DRAGONFLY
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Subject: Say what?
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Date & Time: 04/27/91 00:12:16
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Message Number 16137
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>To Turtle...do you really feel you control your emotions? Or do you
|
||
>feel you just shove them aside?
|
||
|
||
Neither one. I simply don't allow /them/ to control /me/.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: THUMPER ONE
|
||
Subject: Peyote
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 00:13:48
|
||
Message Number 16138
|
||
|
||
NO> Whats Peyote?
|
||
T1> LocoWeed, ...
|
||
|
||
Nope. Locoweed is something else entirely...it's a green, prickly
|
||
weed that grows in semi-arid areas like the American midwest. It's
|
||
inedible but doesn't have any marked effects on humans. It's a powerful
|
||
intoxicant to cattle, however, and if they eat it they go nuts and
|
||
become very, very aggressive and unpredictable...hence the name
|
||
"locoweed". Ranchers hate the stuff and spend mucho bucks spraying
|
||
for it.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: RUFUS
|
||
Subject: Just a thought.
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 00:17:29
|
||
Message Number 16139
|
||
|
||
>Black Magic sucks the stress outta me and gives it to you.
|
||
|
||
With interest. Just talking to the dear lady makes my adrenaline start
|
||
going...but hey, she's a lot of fun anyway.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: RUFUS
|
||
Subject: Perception
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 00:19:03
|
||
Message Number 16140
|
||
|
||
>Well, aren't we just Mr. "Old Man Sick of Everything" Turtle.
|
||
|
||
Nope.
|
||
|
||
>There are things uglier than a newborn: [list follows]
|
||
|
||
Okay, okay, I stand corrected. Jesse Helms is uglier than a newborn,
|
||
too. But Lordy, they're hardly beautiful. Sentimentality aside, just
|
||
LOOK at a brand-new bioblob some time and tell me this little red
|
||
wrinkly thing is anything other than an aesthetic disaster.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: P.WHIPPED
|
||
Subject: Life
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 00:23:41
|
||
Message Number 16141
|
||
|
||
>To sum up my life in two words right now.......DICKED!
|
||
|
||
Say again? I seem to have missed something.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: SAAVIK
|
||
Subject: Smart 1 or dog?
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 00:27:03
|
||
Message Number 16142
|
||
|
||
>Yeah, most of the time burglars won't bother a house with a dog in it..
|
||
|
||
Most of the time, burglars won't bother a house with an alarm sticker on
|
||
the window, either, and they're a damn sight cheaper than a self-
|
||
propelled odor factory! :)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: SAAVIK
|
||
Subject: Babies & You
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 00:28:46
|
||
Message Number 16143
|
||
|
||
>(Saavik links her arm in Rufus's and sticks her tongue out a Turtle)
|
||
|
||
Turtle bites Saavik.
|
||
|
||
>Naaaaaaa! See someone agrees with me!!!!!!
|
||
|
||
People agree with Jesse Helms. What's yer point?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: ROBERT
|
||
To: KYARA TOKYO
|
||
Subject: Moving along
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 03:06:43
|
||
Message Number 16144
|
||
|
||
Robert returns Kyara's embrace with one arm, then releases her. "Not
|
||
at all, my dear," he says. "'Ad a small talk with Louis downstairs.
|
||
Thought I'd return this; 'e sometimes gets a little carried away with
|
||
'is job, 'e does." He unrolls the thick cloth under his arm to reveal
|
||
Kyara's katana. "Kept good care of it, though," he says as he passes her
|
||
the weapon with a great deal of formality. "Very nice, but not really
|
||
my style." That done, Robert removes his jacket and crosses the room to
|
||
hang it in the tiny closet opposite the door. Underneath, he is wearing
|
||
a small sidearm in a shoulder holster; an antique H&K 9mm mated to a
|
||
sophisticated Mitsuta combination visible/IR laser sight. He removes the
|
||
holster, placing it carefully on the small nightstand near the bed.
|
||
"Are you just going to stand there, then, or are you going to sit down?"
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: DRAGONFLY
|
||
Subject: Healed!
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 10:23:40
|
||
Message Number 16145
|
||
|
||
S> Everyone at my old church thinks I'm going to hell, and I don't care.
|
||
|
||
DFy> Doesn't that bother you?
|
||
|
||
Did you read my message? YOu quoted me as saying "I don't care", and
|
||
then you ask if that bothers me? Boy, try reading before asking
|
||
stupid questions.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: RUFUS
|
||
Subject: Just a thought.
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 10:26:50
|
||
Message Number 16146
|
||
|
||
R>....what's that command for getting a hardcopy?
|
||
|
||
I dunno know...(Steel is playing incredibly dumb, knowing full well the
|
||
implications of what Rufus could do with a hardcopy.)...really man, I
|
||
can't remember. Oh, I'm sorry I didn't mean to delete them message. Oops
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Seriously now
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 10:30:28
|
||
Message Number 16147
|
||
|
||
*yawn*
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: SAAVIK
|
||
Subject: Traps
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 10:33:24
|
||
Message Number 16148
|
||
|
||
How long are you going to be laid up? What did you go into surgery for?
|
||
Did everything go okay?
|
||
|
||
Oh, BTW, I found the macros commands....heheh
|
||
|
||
It sucks to be you. (tm) Steel Enterprises, Inc. (from macros, YES)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: SAAVIK
|
||
Subject: You're Preggers
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 10:36:08
|
||
Message Number 16149
|
||
|
||
Eight kids, eh? You most be out of your Vulcan mind.....BTW, it would
|
||
be impossible, there's only 48 months in four years, and you'd need
|
||
45 months to bear those kids.....I don't think three months is an
|
||
adequate amount of time to be divided between five kids....now if they
|
||
could artificially give you two sets of twims, and then one more little
|
||
one...now that would be possible.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: SAAVIK
|
||
Subject: SERIOUS PROBLEM
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 10:41:52
|
||
Message Number 16150
|
||
|
||
SA> (Saavik links her arm in Rufus's and sticks her tonguw out at Turtle
|
||
SA> Naaa! See someone agrees with me!!!!
|
||
|
||
You forgot the: Thhhhph! :P
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: SAAVIK
|
||
Subject: SERIOUS PROBLEM
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 10:45:27
|
||
Message Number 16151
|
||
|
||
SA> Still not smoking eh, Steel?
|
||
|
||
No....I gave up. When Tammy and I first meet, it was rather difficult,
|
||
to say the least. I had a few cigaretts with her and it's been downhill
|
||
from there.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: SAAVIK
|
||
Subject: doby
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 10:47:53
|
||
Message Number 16152
|
||
|
||
SA> ...then she'll smack her over the head with it...mind you, being
|
||
SA> smacked with a stuffed animal doesn't hurt anything more than the
|
||
SA> dogs feelings...
|
||
|
||
Unless the dog gets mad at her....then she might be in trouble...
|
||
|
||
BTW, that's dog's not dogs. Singular possessive, not plural.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: fruits
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 10:51:52
|
||
Message Number 16153
|
||
|
||
T> (Listing names for people.)
|
||
|
||
Or "Blender," "Guitar," "Glass," "Turtle," "Stool," the list could be
|
||
endless.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: 15000
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 10:55:08
|
||
Message Number 16154
|
||
|
||
T> That's not an insecurity thing, is it?
|
||
T> May I assume from that that the single most important thing about any
|
||
T> relationship to you is sex?
|
||
|
||
1.) No. That's a self-preservation...but, yes I can be insecure. I,
|
||
personally, believe in faithful, I've only cheated on girlfriend and I
|
||
was so guilt-ridden that I couldn't stand it.
|
||
|
||
2.) Sex is very important to me in a relationship, but it must be kept i
|
||
(in) its proper perspective. I occasionally remind myself that, for
|
||
example, let's say a couple has a good sex life, an hour a day, every
|
||
day, even at that rate, they still have 23 hours a day together.
|
||
(Assuming, of course, that they are married or live together.)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Odd euphemisms.
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 11:03:31
|
||
Message Number 16155
|
||
|
||
T> ..(S)he has made the ultimate contribution to the recycling campaign.
|
||
|
||
That's gross. Very gross. (Thinking of the implications to the food
|
||
chain. Yuck!)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: He-aled!
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 11:05:14
|
||
Message Number 16156
|
||
|
||
T> It's a really bizarre sensation, 'cause you are still conscious
|
||
T> without beigh self-aware.
|
||
|
||
That's a fairly accuarte discription of what it's like to be "slain in
|
||
the spirit."
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Say what?
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 11:08:30
|
||
Message Number 16157
|
||
|
||
T> (Speaking of the pros and cons of relationship)...It's a really
|
||
T> simple cost/benefit thing, you know?
|
||
|
||
As they say, it looks good on paper. But the fact still remains that we
|
||
don't have total control of our emotions. At least, I don't.
|
||
s
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Say what?
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 11:14:29
|
||
Message Number 16158
|
||
|
||
T> (Jealousy) ...I suspect it's a self-image thing, though; so far every
|
||
T> person I've dicussed the subject with, bar none, have said it
|
||
T> primarily comes down to an expression of your own insecurity.
|
||
|
||
*Ding*
|
||
I couldn't agree with you more. I /know/ that jealous is an expression
|
||
of your own insecurity...and I /know/ that I have a problem with
|
||
jealousy. I have one question for you..Assuming that you, yourself,
|
||
have never experienced jeaousy, and therefore, must be rather secure
|
||
about yourself. How did you manage to get so self-secure? I've seen
|
||
/so/ many people who have a problem with jealousy.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Say what?
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 11:20:22
|
||
Message Number 16159
|
||
|
||
T> (Answering a question from Saavik about jealousy.) I simply
|
||
don't allow /them/ to control /me/.
|
||
|
||
Do you deal with them as a separate entity or do you integrate them
|
||
by over-riding them with logical.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Perception
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 11:23:32
|
||
Message Number 16160
|
||
|
||
T> ..just LOOK at a brand-new bioblob some time and tell me this little
|
||
T> red wrinkly thing is anything other than an aesthetic disaster.
|
||
|
||
Newborns are not particularily cute when they are first born, but after
|
||
they are washed and so on, they can be adorable. (Yes, I have seen
|
||
some UGLY babies, but most are kinda cute.) On the other hand, I must
|
||
agree with Saavik, babies can be a wonderful experience.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: KYARA TOKYO
|
||
To: ROBERT
|
||
Subject: Moving along
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 11:32:53
|
||
Message Number 16161
|
||
|
||
Kyara somewhat surprised by Robert returning her sword, takes it and
|
||
places it next to her pack. Upon seeing the gun she asks, "Why do you
|
||
carry that around? Is this place dangerous?"
|
||
Robert says, "Are you just going to stand there, then, or are you
|
||
going to sit down?'
|
||
|
||
Kyara sits on the bad and motions for Robert to do the same.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: RUFUS
|
||
To: SAAVIK
|
||
Subject: Whips and chain
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 13:14:59
|
||
Message Number 16162
|
||
|
||
>Hmmmm, that sounds like a game that wouldn't do much for Turtle, except
|
||
>maybe give him a few new bruises.....
|
||
|
||
Well, we only used whiffle ball bats and pillows. I don't know where my
|
||
crowbar got off to.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: RUFUS
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Odd euphemisms.
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 13:21:26
|
||
Message Number 16163
|
||
|
||
There's always the one coined by pilots..."Buying the farm."
|
||
(Or something like that...I NEED DEW!)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: RUFUS
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: Just a thought.
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 13:32:26
|
||
Message Number 16164
|
||
|
||
>Oh, I'm sorry I didn't mean to delete them messages. Oops
|
||
|
||
Don't lose any sleep over it. I stuck 'em in my buffer and have them
|
||
on magnetic media. :)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: KNIGHT OWL
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Volkswagen
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 13:59:26
|
||
Message Number 16165
|
||
|
||
The origin of the 'Thing' is quite interesting. Hmmm... They'd be handy
|
||
for the soldier-of-fortune groups too, 'cause of the gun mount available
|
||
for them. *]:)
|
||
|
||
What's a sand rail?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: RUFUS
|
||
Subject: Just a thought.
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 15:19:59
|
||
Message Number 16166
|
||
|
||
R> Don't lose any sleep over it.
|
||
|
||
I wasn't planning on it.
|
||
|
||
R> I stuck 'em in my buffer and have them on magnetic media. :)
|
||
|
||
Now, I /am/ going to lost sleep over it.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: RUFUS
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: Just a thought.
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 15:56:24
|
||
Message Number 16167
|
||
|
||
R>I stuck 'em in my buffer and have them on magnetic media. :)
|
||
SS>Now, I /am/ going to lost sleep over it.
|
||
|
||
You really shouldn't lose any sleep over it. It probably won't fall
|
||
into her hands unless something happens to anger me. A short list
|
||
follows:
|
||
Breaking treaties in Risk.
|
||
Picking me up off the ground and flipping me around the x, y, /and, z
|
||
axis (this really ticks me off).
|
||
Drinking the last Dew.
|
||
Not receiving $8 a week (well, this we can let slide).
|
||
|
||
Of course, if I die a violent death, a letter containing the messages,
|
||
a map to your house (which The Specialist drew for me a while back) and
|
||
a pawn ticket for a local gun shop will be mailed to her.
|
||
|
||
But don't lose any sleep, it'd be bad for your health.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: SAAVIK
|
||
Subject: SERIOUS PROBLEM
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 16:46:47
|
||
Message Number 16168
|
||
|
||
SA>Still not smoking, eh, Steel?
|
||
|
||
Actually, he has started again. I gave him two weeks, he beat me my
|
||
1 day.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: fruits
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 16:48:42
|
||
Message Number 16169
|
||
|
||
T>Like kumquat, say, or tangelo?
|
||
|
||
Leave it to you to come up with those type of fruits...something out of
|
||
the ordinary....
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: T.V. evangelist
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 17:00:17
|
||
Message Number 16170
|
||
|
||
"Preacher talkin' on the TV
|
||
Puttin' down rock'n'roll.
|
||
Wants me to send a donation
|
||
Cause he
|
||
Cause he's worried about my soul.
|
||
|
||
Says, "Jesus walked on the water."
|
||
"And I believe it's true."
|
||
I just believe that preacher'd
|
||
Like to do a little walkin', too."
|
||
|
||
Originally a fairly good country song before ruined by a bunch of long-
|
||
hyar no-talent heavy metal hippies copying it!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: 15000
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 17:04:38
|
||
Message Number 16171
|
||
|
||
SS>I do not date girls who wanna fool around.
|
||
T>That's not an insecurity thing, is it? May I assume from you that the
|
||
T>single most important thing about any relationship to you is sex?
|
||
|
||
What? If a girl fools around, she probably fucks around, too. I
|
||
personally wouldn't want a girl who was busy screwing 3 other guys
|
||
besides me. Never know what her next "john" might give her that I'd
|
||
get second hand. KNOWHATTAMEAN?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: RUFUS
|
||
Subject: Just a thought.
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 17:15:04
|
||
Message Number 16172
|
||
|
||
Your honor I throw myself on the mercy of the Aardvark.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Seeing women,
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 17:16:27
|
||
Message Number 16173
|
||
|
||
TS> KNOWHATTAMEAN?
|
||
|
||
*DING*
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAAVIK
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: fruits
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 17:24:12
|
||
Message Number 16174
|
||
|
||
T>we can have people named "sprocket", "fork," "backgammon," or "clock"
|
||
|
||
Or Turtle even.....
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAAVIK
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: SERIOUS PROBLEM
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 17:26:46
|
||
Message Number 16175
|
||
|
||
T>it takes about a hundred thousand bucks to get this bioblob his first
|
||
job at 18....there goes my Ferrari.
|
||
|
||
Turtle, I am disappointed in you. Of all people, I figured you were NOT
|
||
a materialistic Yuppie DINK type...... I'm shattered.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAAVIK
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: SERIOUS PROBLEM
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 17:28:37
|
||
Message Number 16176
|
||
|
||
True, true, true....the marraige itself means nothing... only the
|
||
relationship counts and you can have that without the piece of paper...
|
||
The only time that little peice of paper comes in handy is in legal
|
||
affairs..... well, for instance, IF there are children involved and one
|
||
of you is ill or (shiver the thought) killed, the peice of paper insures
|
||
that the children will remain with the surviving parent and he/she will
|
||
be able to sign documents for insurance purposes ect......
|
||
|
||
Society in a whole puts a lot of value on the marriage license, but it
|
||
really doesn't mean anything more than two people had to fill out a lot
|
||
of paperwork and pay some bucks to have a cerimony and make it legal..
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAAVIK
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Say what?
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 17:32:46
|
||
Message Number 16177
|
||
|
||
Well, I don't like suspicion and again, I repeat, that was a poor choice
|
||
of words.... but caution is another story... Just about every
|
||
relationship I have ever had has been an intimate and serious one, I hav
|
||
always been cautious at first, perhaps not outwardly or overly... but
|
||
enough so that I didn't fall head over heels before I knew what I was
|
||
getting into.... Wearing one's heart on one's sleeve is just like saying
|
||
"Here I am, hurt me...."
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAAVIK
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Not 15000
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 17:35:34
|
||
Message Number 16178
|
||
|
||
SS>...women are too confusing.
|
||
SA>Oh, and men aren't
|
||
T> Nope. :)
|
||
|
||
How do you figure men are any less confusing than women???? People in
|
||
general are complex and each individual is a mystery until you really
|
||
get to know them....
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAAVIK
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Birth
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 17:37:35
|
||
Message Number 16179
|
||
|
||
T>The repitle really, really destests children...especially the very
|
||
small variety.
|
||
|
||
I've heard that before from people..... and years later, they happily
|
||
munch on their own words while holding their newborn child in their arms
|
||
Maybe you are an exception....... but I find it hard to believe that you
|
||
"hate" children.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAAVIK
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: BBS naked!
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 17:40:34
|
||
Message Number 16180
|
||
|
||
Things that relax...... a glass of warm milk and a Darvoset or two....
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAAVIK
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Say what?
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 17:42:07
|
||
Message Number 16181
|
||
|
||
T>...it (jealousy) primarily comes down to an expression of your own
|
||
insecurity.
|
||
|
||
*ding*. (ahhhhhhhh)
|
||
I believe that is true. Everyone (with maybe the execption of you and
|
||
Jesus Christ) have insecurities... they say the main reason for sibling
|
||
rivalry is the insecurity about the parents ability to love both
|
||
children equally, ect.....
|
||
Most men that I have known who were VERY jealous, were also VERY
|
||
insecure about themselves, usually on a subconcious level. I can't
|
||
handle that degree of Jealously..... I trust, and I need trust.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAAVIK
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: VW again
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 17:47:29
|
||
Message Number 16182
|
||
|
||
T>They're so easy to fix a child can do it, and parts for 'em generally
|
||
cost about twelve bucks.
|
||
|
||
So maybe that's why BugKnuts went out of business..... (local Bug repair
|
||
shop).
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAAVIK
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Babies & You
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 17:49:58
|
||
Message Number 16183
|
||
|
||
You bit me!!!!! Hmph! One day when you are old and gray, one of my
|
||
children will stomp on you!!!!!!!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAAVIK
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: Traps
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 17:51:47
|
||
Message Number 16184
|
||
|
||
I should be able to go back to work sometime next week, the Doctor will
|
||
let me know Monday for sure.... I can walk around a little, but mostly
|
||
I am supposed to be sitting or laying down.
|
||
I had a cyst (sp) removed. Everything went well, but my lungs ache from
|
||
the anesthesia (hangover, arg) Luckily there was no cancer (they thought
|
||
it might be a tumor or something). So even though I'm sore and druggy,
|
||
I am relieved and happy...
|
||
|
||
Macros? Did someone say Macros?
|
||
Arf! Snarf! And other socially acceptable attitudes!!!!!!! (macro city)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAAVIK
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: You're Preggers
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 17:55:56
|
||
Message Number 16185
|
||
|
||
SS>Now if they could artificially give you two sets of twins....
|
||
|
||
Bite your tongue, Bucko!!!!! No more rug rats here!!!!! Stick a fork in
|
||
me, I'm done.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAAVIK
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: doby
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 17:57:20
|
||
Message Number 16186
|
||
|
||
SS>Unless the dog gets mad at her....then she might be in trouble....
|
||
|
||
Not the nature of the beast... Saavik (the dog) is very submissive and
|
||
if you scold her (we never beat her or hit her) she will go outside and
|
||
sulk.... one Valarie fell on her, hard.... Saavik screamed but she didn'
|
||
try to bite Val.... I don't really think she would.... but she IS a dog,
|
||
and any dog will bite under certain circumstances. Dobermans tend to
|
||
be very protective dogs who are good with "their" children.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAAVIK
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: 15000
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 18:01:17
|
||
Message Number 16187
|
||
|
||
SS>They still have 23 hours a day together (Assuming, of course, that
|
||
they are married or live together.)
|
||
|
||
And assuming they are lotto winners or unemployed. Actually the average
|
||
couple spends one hour in the morning together before work and lets see,
|
||
from about 5:30 to 6:00 when they get off work to whenever they go to
|
||
sleep....
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAAVIK
|
||
To: RUFUS
|
||
Subject: Whips and chain
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 18:05:49
|
||
Message Number 16188
|
||
|
||
RF>I don't know where my crowbar got off to.
|
||
|
||
Turtle probably hid it in the same place he hid Kelly's whips and night-
|
||
stick.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAAVIK
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: SERIOUS PROBLEM
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 18:07:55
|
||
Message Number 16189
|
||
|
||
SA>Still not smoking, eh, Steel?
|
||
TS>Actually, he has started again.
|
||
|
||
Could of fooled me. By his hostile responces to Dragonfly (or was that
|
||
KnightOwl?) I figured he was still withdrawling.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAAVIK
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: 15000
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 18:10:07
|
||
Message Number 16190
|
||
|
||
TS>Never know what her next "john" might give her that I'd get second
|
||
hand. KNOWHATTAMEAN?
|
||
|
||
I do. When you sleep with someone, you sleep with everyone they've ever
|
||
slept with and everyone that they evey slept with and so on and so on...
|
||
them there diesises (sp?) do get around.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: P.WHIPPED
|
||
To: DRAGONFLY
|
||
Subject: dating
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 18:20:19
|
||
Message Number 16191
|
||
|
||
<something about not dating until you were 15>
|
||
|
||
i didn't start dating until i was 16....i never wanted to do the,"Hey
|
||
mom, wanna take me and a girl i like to the mall so we can see a movie
|
||
and then pick us up again in a couple of hours? If so i'll be forced
|
||
to do the dishes, listen to you tell everyone about my date, and ask
|
||
my date all sorts of embarassing questions.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: P.WHIPPED
|
||
To: SAAVIK
|
||
Subject: Peyote
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 18:23:48
|
||
Message Number 16192
|
||
|
||
Peyote is a drug made from cactii(sp?) It is black and you smoke it.
|
||
It looks really sick and makes you even sicker. It is a mild hallucinic
|
||
that lasts for several hours.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: P.WHIPPED
|
||
To: SAAVIK
|
||
Subject: dicked
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 18:28:01
|
||
Message Number 16193
|
||
|
||
Well it goes something like this....
|
||
i am supposed to help take a friend to Philly (and eat some
|
||
cheesesteaks), but we can't seem to be able to leave. We are STILL
|
||
trying to find a place to rent us a car where we don't have to
|
||
sell our souls to do so. We went to a place today that said ,"sure
|
||
we'll rent ya a car." So we go in, sit through about a half hour
|
||
of paper work, and as i was reading over the agreement the VERY LAST
|
||
line said that we couldn't take the car more than 100 miles from Tampa
|
||
AAAAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHHTTTTPPPPHHHHH.......
|
||
go figure
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: P.WHIPPED
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: toys
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 18:32:45
|
||
Message Number 16194
|
||
|
||
Calm down Turtle, they never released them....i will help you make
|
||
one though if you really want....there's a middle school i'd like
|
||
to go to, to test it out.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: P.WHIPPED
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Volkswagen
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 18:36:00
|
||
Message Number 16195
|
||
|
||
<The thing I wanna do is build a sand rail someday...>
|
||
|
||
With the tripod?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: P.WHIPPED
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: dicked
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 18:38:15
|
||
Message Number 16196
|
||
|
||
you'll hear the whole story....whether you want to or not.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: P.WHIPPED
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: cannibalism
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 18:40:46
|
||
Message Number 16197
|
||
|
||
Cannibalism isn't nearly as sick as many people think.
|
||
It has been practiced in almost all cultures whether they will
|
||
admit it or not. Even in our oh so beloved Western culture.
|
||
What do you think this thing about Communion is? (Let's all
|
||
celebrate here that some dude was tortured a coulple thousand years ago
|
||
and drink his blood and eat his body)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DEATH FENNEC
|
||
To: SAAVIK
|
||
Subject: SERIOUS PROBLEM
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 20:10:26
|
||
Message Number 16198
|
||
|
||
Hmm. I am having a really bad time figuring out some things, and I
|
||
think that I am going to go crazy. Hmm. Well, there is another problem
|
||
that has arisen. This person has been thinking that I was going to stay
|
||
with them for the rest of my life, but when things started happening,
|
||
like the kid and all, then I have started to see the real world. Oh
|
||
well, I guess that I shall just become a vegetable the rest of my life.
|
||
:sigh::
|
||
|
||
/! Death Fennec -- ;>
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: HACMAN
|
||
To: SAAVIK
|
||
Subject: doby
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 20:19:53
|
||
Message Number 16199
|
||
|
||
Well mine has several toys of its own. It seems as though this mut is
|
||
bent on destroying the toys. he won't just play with'm, he wants to
|
||
tear'm apart. He's been sucessful on most of them. We thought we had
|
||
him when we got him a toy with no edges or anything he could get his
|
||
teeth on. Fooled us he did. In a matter of a couple weeks, he figured
|
||
a way to tear it up. Hope he grows out of that. Also REAL glad he
|
||
hasn't taken a likeing to the NEW furniture. I really think he'd die
|
||
if he did.
|
||
Burney
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DEATH FENNEC
|
||
To: SAAVIK
|
||
Subject: Kiddies
|
||
Date & Time: 04/27/91 20:30:33
|
||
Message Number 16200
|
||
|
||
SA> You haven't /seen/ me in awhile!!!
|
||
|
||
I don't have to see you to be able to be frlitatious towards you!
|
||
:)
|
||
|
||
/! Death Fennec -- ;>
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: KNIGHT OWL
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: fruits
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 00:42:36
|
||
Message Number 16204
|
||
|
||
TS> Leave it up to you to come up with those types of fruits...
|
||
something out of the ordinary....
|
||
|
||
How about plantains or star fruit (also called passion fruit, I think)?
|
||
|
||
If veggies can be included, how about some purple caulliflour?
|
||
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: KNIGHT OWL
|
||
To: P.WHIPPED
|
||
Subject: cannibalism
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 00:52:48
|
||
Message Number 16205
|
||
|
||
An excellent book to read is 'Alive'. It's about a soccer team that
|
||
crashed in the Andes mountains, and had to resort to cannibalism.
|
||
|
||
It's a true story.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: KNIGHT OWL
|
||
To: KNIGHT OWL
|
||
Subject: OOPS
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 00:56:56
|
||
Message Number 16206
|
||
|
||
To P. whipped:
|
||
|
||
I was mistaken... it was a rugby team...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: fruits
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 01:43:33
|
||
Message Number 16207
|
||
|
||
T> (Listing names for people)
|
||
|
||
S>Or "Blender," "Guitar," "Glass," ...
|
||
|
||
Yeah.
|
||
|
||
S>"Turtle," ...
|
||
|
||
Hey!
|
||
|
||
S>"Stool," ...the list could be endless.
|
||
|
||
How about "Liquidity," "Isomorphism," "Spring," "Penultimate," or "Axe"?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: Relationships
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 01:45:57
|
||
Message Number 16208
|
||
|
||
T>That's not an insecurity thing, is it?
|
||
S>No. It's self-preservation...
|
||
|
||
Really? Do tell.
|
||
|
||
T>Is sex the single most important part of a relationship?
|
||
S>Sex is very important...[it] needs to be kept in its proper
|
||
S>perspective.
|
||
|
||
TRhen how is it that a sexual issue is guaranteed to destroy any
|
||
relationship with you? You claim that you will not tolerate a non-
|
||
exclusive sexual relationship, but I bet there aren't very many other
|
||
factors that are as certain to end a relationship with you, hmm? The
|
||
thing with the power to destroy something is the thing most critical
|
||
to it. Sex does, as you say, need to be kept in its proper perspective:
|
||
it is a valuable part of a relationship, but hardly the /foundation/
|
||
of a relationship. A relationship built in such a way that a sexual
|
||
issue will terminate it is a relationship built on air, you know? IMHO,
|
||
dishonesty or violation of trust ought to be better candidates for
|
||
"legitimate reasons to end a relationship" than some issue of sexual
|
||
fidelity, for God's sake!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: Say what?
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 01:51:20
|
||
Message Number 16209
|
||
|
||
>As they say, it looks good on paper. But the fact still remains that
|
||
>we don't have total control of our emotions.
|
||
|
||
That's absolutely true. We do, however, have control over the sorts of
|
||
personal interactions we choose to engage in. The knowledge that being
|
||
hurt is worth the advantages doesn't make it hurt any less, but it does
|
||
allow you to /choose/ to continue to become intimate with people even
|
||
after you've been hurt.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: Say how?
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 01:53:27
|
||
Message Number 16210
|
||
|
||
>Assuming that you, yourself, have never experienced jealousy, and
|
||
>therefore, must be rather secure about yourself. How did you manage to
|
||
>get so self-secure?
|
||
|
||
I have no earthly idea. I'm not sure a /lack/ of /insecurity/ is the
|
||
same thing as being /self-secure,/ for that matter. I think it's more
|
||
of a simple learning thing...I have been involved in enough open
|
||
relationships to /know/ that if my partner takes another lover, it
|
||
doesn't change anything about our relationship, same way I know that
|
||
if I drop a hammer it'll fall.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: Say what?
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 01:59:26
|
||
Message Number 16211
|
||
|
||
T>[Remark about not allowing his emotions to control him]
|
||
S>Do you deal with them as a separate entity or do you integrate them
|
||
S>by over-riding them with logical.
|
||
|
||
Neither one. I simply don't allow my /behavior/ to be governed by my
|
||
/feelings/. On a practical sense, your feelings cannot dictate your
|
||
actions by themselves; they simply try to make you behave in a certain
|
||
way. You feel hungry, you feel horny, you feel angry, you feel afraid;
|
||
these feelings don't govern you. You don't eat because your hunger has
|
||
taken posession of your body; you eat because your hunger makes you
|
||
feel as though eating is a good thing to do. You still CHOOSE to eat.
|
||
You hit somebody not because your anger forces you to, but because you
|
||
choose to, with the knowledge that you are angry at this person. Your
|
||
physicla movements are still under your conscious control. Feelings,
|
||
by themselves, are incapable of any sort of independant expression.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: KNIGHT OWL
|
||
Subject: Volkswagen
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 02:04:35
|
||
Message Number 16212
|
||
|
||
>What's a sand rail?
|
||
|
||
It's a type of dune buggy--the kind with the open tubular-steel frame
|
||
around it.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: T.V. evangelist
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 02:07:06
|
||
Message Number 16213
|
||
|
||
>Originally a fairly good country song...
|
||
|
||
HA *snort* Now THERE'S an oxymoron..."good" and "country song" go
|
||
together like china and H-bombs, you know?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Not 15000 atall
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 02:08:16
|
||
Message Number 16214
|
||
|
||
>I personally wouldn't want a girl who was busy screwing 3 other guys
|
||
>besides me. Never know what her next "john" might give her that I'd
|
||
>get secondhand.
|
||
|
||
Oh, come off it. Stop creating false dichotomies and start thinking with
|
||
your other head. The fact that your partner has other lovers doesn't
|
||
mean she's busy screwing everything with a rod. I wouldn't want such
|
||
a partner, either, but that's not the type of thing I'm talking about...
|
||
I'm simply pointing out that not being able to tolerate the fact that
|
||
your dear beloved might ever even remotely entertain the thought of
|
||
anyone else is silly (and pathetic). As for catching something second-
|
||
hand: If you're sexually active that's a rish you take, period. Mature,
|
||
responsible adults can deal with that risk. If your partner is not a
|
||
mature, responsible adult, you've got problems that have nothing to do
|
||
with sex...and if she is, it's an irrelevant argument.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: SAAVIK
|
||
Subject: DINK? Me??
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 02:12:32
|
||
Message Number 16215
|
||
|
||
>Of all people, I figured you were NOT a materialistic Yuppie DINK
|
||
>type...
|
||
|
||
I'm not. No Yuppie in me at all. I'd simply rather have a Ferrari than
|
||
a small, screaming child whose diapers need to be changed. C'mon, think
|
||
about it...what would you rather do, change diapers or slide it up to
|
||
160 on I-75? Be honest, now!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: SAAVIK
|
||
Subject: Not 15000
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 02:15:01
|
||
Message Number 16216
|
||
|
||
>How do you figure men are less confusing than women????
|
||
|
||
I don't...I was yanking your chain.
|
||
|
||
>People in general are complex...
|
||
|
||
*Ding*
|
||
|
||
>...and each individual is a mystery...
|
||
|
||
*Ding*
|
||
|
||
>...until you really get to know them.
|
||
|
||
*Klunk* People are still a mystery after you get to know them; they'r
|
||
just not as /much/ a mystery. People are like any other chaotic system--
|
||
sure, you can predict their behavior within certain parameters once
|
||
you're acquainted enough with 'em, but they'll still surprise you.
|
||
(Interpersonal relationships also exhibit flicker noise, a hallmark of
|
||
chaos theory, but that's another matter altogether.)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: SAAVIK
|
||
Subject: Birth
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 02:18:16
|
||
Message Number 16217
|
||
|
||
T>The reptile really, really detests children...
|
||
S>I've heard that before...years later, they happily munch on their
|
||
S>own words...
|
||
|
||
Uh-huh. That's pretty much the stock response to my "I don't like
|
||
children". Then again, people say the same thing to anyone who says
|
||
"I don't like marriage," too, and I can say with a pretty damn high
|
||
degree of certainty that I ain't gonna be doing THAT any time in the
|
||
forseeable future.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: SAAVIK
|
||
Subject: Say what?
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 02:20:50
|
||
Message Number 16218
|
||
|
||
>Everyone...have [sic] insecurities...
|
||
|
||
Well, I'm inherently distrustful of any statement that starts with the
|
||
word "everyone," especially when discussing complex emotional issues,
|
||
but even granting your point that's still no reason for jealousy. You
|
||
don't have to be totally secure to have faith in your relationship, and
|
||
you can entertain doubts about the stability of your relationship
|
||
without becoming jealous over unrelated matters...and sexual matters are
|
||
not usually the real problem with a troubled relationship.
|
||
|
||
>I can't tolerate that degree of Jealousy...
|
||
|
||
I can't tolerate jealousy.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: SAAVIK
|
||
Subject: Babies & You
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 02:24:41
|
||
Message Number 16219
|
||
|
||
>One day when you are old and gray, one of my children will stomp on
|
||
>you!!!!!!!
|
||
|
||
Turtles don't get old and gray...they just get more irritable. Besides,
|
||
if your children try to stomp on me I'll simply be forced to buy their
|
||
housing complex and evict 'em. Figure I oughta be able to turn the
|
||
money other people are busy spending to raise their kids into some
|
||
serious leverage by the time your children are large enough to come
|
||
a-stompin'.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: SAAVIK
|
||
Subject: Huh-uh
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 02:28:04
|
||
Message Number 16220
|
||
|
||
>When you sleep with someone, you sleep with everyone they've ever
|
||
>slept with and everyone that they've ever slept with...
|
||
|
||
Bunk. There is *no* sexually transmitted disease that has a 100%
|
||
transmission rate. Simple disease epidemology tells you that that theory
|
||
isn't worth the electrons it takes to write it on the screen. That
|
||
doesn't mean that there is *no* risk, mind you, not by a long shot...the
|
||
risk is real, and it most certainly calls for caution. It does not call
|
||
for hype and distortion, though, and the simple fact of the matter is
|
||
if you are hetersexual and don't abuse drugs intervenously you are
|
||
far more likely to die in a car accident on your way to a lover's house
|
||
than you are to contract a fatal STD from a lover even if you're pretty
|
||
adept at getting around. If you're appropriately cautious, selective in
|
||
your lovers, and conduct yourself with maturity and responsibility,
|
||
and you treat sex with the respect due to a powerful bond of friendship
|
||
and intimacy, the risks become very small indeed. And, like I mentioned
|
||
before, not being faithful to one partner does ***!!!NOT!!!*** mean you
|
||
or your lover will go around fucking every animate object in town.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: P.WHIPPED
|
||
Subject: dating
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 02:34:58
|
||
Message Number 16221
|
||
|
||
>i didn's start dating until i was 16...
|
||
|
||
Hell, I didn't start 'til I was 18. I did take two girls to the senior
|
||
prom, though.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: KNIGHT OWL
|
||
Subject: fruits
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 02:37:04
|
||
Message Number 16222
|
||
|
||
>How about plantains or star fruit (also called passion fruit, I think)?
|
||
|
||
Um...I think star fruit are actually called "kiwi fruit". Passion fruit
|
||
is something else entirely.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: 16222
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 02:38:46
|
||
Message Number 16223
|
||
|
||
What a neato keen number! 16222...it's got kind of a ring to it.
|
||
Heh...more refined and subtle than an obvious number like 15000, too.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: RUFUS
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: Just a thought.
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 11:38:30
|
||
Message Number 16224
|
||
|
||
>Your honor I throw myself on the mercy of the Aardvark.
|
||
|
||
Hmm...Okay.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DRAGONFLY
|
||
To: SAAVIK
|
||
Subject: Kiddies
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 12:18:52
|
||
Message Number 16226
|
||
|
||
(Just in case this isn't explained later...)
|
||
|
||
Why were you in the hospital? And I hope you get well.
|
||
//Dragonfly//
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DRAGONFLY
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: fruits
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 12:20:45
|
||
Message Number 16227
|
||
|
||
... and we could have people who choose to nickname themselves after
|
||
animals, but I don't think that would be too likely...
|
||
//Dragonfly//
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DRAGONFLY
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: SERIOUS PROBLEM
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 12:24:31
|
||
Message Number 16228
|
||
|
||
>...I feel very strongly that in a society where almost all marriages
|
||
> fail, marriage is meaningless.
|
||
|
||
When last I checked, the divorce rate was about 55%. Forty-five
|
||
percent of something is not "almost all."
|
||
|
||
Also, a majority of marriages fail early on in the relationship --
|
||
or after the children are off to college. (This info might be a bit
|
||
outdated.) Marriage may not be the most stable environment imaginable
|
||
for raising children, but (from the above) it tends to do a fair job.
|
||
|
||
Right now, marriage is the only institution around which is expressly
|
||
for the raising of children. Until something new (and demonstrably
|
||
better) comes along, we're stuck with it. (BTW, does anyone know if
|
||
there exist statistics for unmarried couples: how long they stick
|
||
together? Of course, any data like that would be biased.)
|
||
|
||
//Dragonfly//
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DRAGONFLY
|
||
To: P.WHIPPED
|
||
Subject: cannibalism
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 12:49:41
|
||
Message Number 16229
|
||
|
||
If you ever go to Mexico (or go to a TRUE Mexican restaurant), check
|
||
out the "Sopa Azteca" -- Aztec soup, also known as "Sopa de Tortilla."
|
||
Tomato soup base with avocado, cheese, tortillas, and chicken. Of
|
||
course, the REAL, original recipe had more to do with cannibalism.
|
||
(I've had it with cow's brains instead of cheese.)
|
||
//Dragonfly//
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DRAGONFLY
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: fruits
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 12:57:15
|
||
Message Number 16230
|
||
|
||
Y'all, I've grown the stuff. Here's a breakdown:
|
||
|
||
Plantains: A really huge banana, wonderful for frying, not so great
|
||
raw. They're not as sweet as normal bananas.
|
||
|
||
Kiwi: A tiny, ugly-looking fruit which is green on the inside. Sour-
|
||
sweet taste, and really wonderful eating!
|
||
|
||
Star fruit: Also known as "camambola" (Sp? My Webster's doesn't have
|
||
this one.) A mild-tasting fruit: I only liked the shape.
|
||
|
||
Passion fruit: Another, different fruit. Not related to any of the
|
||
above. (And I don't remember much about it.)
|
||
|
||
Ya know, the amount of horse manure I had to cart actually DID teach
|
||
me something...
|
||
//Dragonfly//
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: KNIGHT OWL
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: names
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 14:48:16
|
||
Message Number 16231
|
||
|
||
T> How about "liquidity", "isomorphism", "Spring", "Penultimate" or
|
||
"Axe"?
|
||
|
||
Or.... "Polymorphonuclearlucocite"?
|
||
|
||
(it's a red blood cell)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: KNIGHT OWL
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Volkswagen
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 14:55:12
|
||
Message Number 16232
|
||
|
||
T> [Describes a sand rail]
|
||
|
||
Oh.. I've seen them before... I didn't know they had a name of their own
|
||
though...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: KNIGHT OWL
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: fruits
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 15:01:54
|
||
Message Number 16233
|
||
|
||
T> Um..I think star fruit are actually called "kiwi fruit".
|
||
I believe that you're mistaken... Kiwi fruit look like ape balls.What
|
||
I'm referring to is yellow and is shaped like a star.
|
||
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAAVIK
|
||
To: P.WHIPPED
|
||
Subject: dating
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 18:12:56
|
||
Message Number 16234
|
||
|
||
PW> ...i never wanted to do the, "Hey, mom,.......
|
||
|
||
god, that was funny..... And SOOOO true!!!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAAVIK
|
||
To: P.WHIPPED
|
||
Subject: Peyote
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 18:14:41
|
||
Message Number 16235
|
||
|
||
PW>It (peyote) looks sick and makes you even sicker.
|
||
|
||
I think I'll pass.......
|
||
|
||
PW>It is a mild hallucinic (sic) that lasts for several hours.
|
||
|
||
Now I know I'll pass..... I see enough strange things that are real!!!!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAAVIK
|
||
To: P.WHIPPED
|
||
Subject: dicked
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 18:17:10
|
||
Message Number 16236
|
||
|
||
Yep, you're dicked! Have you considered renting one of the small Uhaul
|
||
trucks.... they are more expensive than car rentals but they don't have
|
||
travel limitations. Sometimes you can work out a fair deal if they
|
||
happen to have a truck they need driven back to that area.....
|
||
How much /does/ it cost to rent a car to drive as opposed to bus tickets
|
||
or flying?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAAVIK
|
||
To: DEATH FENNEC
|
||
Subject: SERIOUS PROBLEM
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 18:21:52
|
||
Message Number 16237
|
||
|
||
Fennec,
|
||
You can't live your entire life to suit and please someone else...
|
||
if that person is important in your life, and will remain important no
|
||
matter where you go or what you do, then tell them how important that
|
||
they are to you, maybe it will reassure them.....
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAAVIK
|
||
To: HACMAN
|
||
Subject: doby
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 18:24:42
|
||
Message Number 16238
|
||
|
||
Give your pup a frisbee to play with in the yard, they can grab onto
|
||
them easily and they still fly even after they eat half of it.... most
|
||
dogs don't swallow the plastic, they just chew it up and spit it out.
|
||
Beware some of those big rawhide thingies, they become soft and easy to
|
||
swallow but they can block the intestines.... I used to be a Vet Tech,
|
||
you wouldn't believe some of the things we pulled out of sick dogs.
|
||
|
||
The Nylabone company makes a good bone that doesn't chew up, it gets
|
||
teeth marks in it, but they really have to work their butts off to
|
||
destroy it.... check em out.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAAVIK
|
||
To: DEATH FENNEC
|
||
Subject: Kiddies
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 18:27:37
|
||
Message Number 16239
|
||
|
||
DF>I don't have to see you to be frlitatious (sic) towards you!
|
||
|
||
Well, thats true..... :)(:
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAAVIK
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: fruits
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 18:29:42
|
||
Message Number 16240
|
||
|
||
How about colors....... "Purple, Rouge, Mauve, Magenta, Butternut,
|
||
Goldenrod, Green, Blue.... and so on.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAAVIK
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: DINK? Me??
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 18:36:14
|
||
Message Number 16241
|
||
|
||
T>what would you rather do, change diapers or slide it up to 160 on
|
||
I-75? Be honest, now!
|
||
|
||
Well, seriously, I wouldn't trade my kids for all the Ferrari's in
|
||
Florida...(what are there? 3?)... I have created life.... little people
|
||
who will grow up and continue the chain of life..... I love them more
|
||
than life itself.... A Ferrarri seems pale and shallow next to them....
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAAVIK
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Not 15000
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 18:39:32
|
||
Message Number 16242
|
||
|
||
T> *Klunk*
|
||
|
||
Hehhe. I've never been *klunked* before.
|
||
|
||
T)People are still a mystery after you get to know them:
|
||
|
||
True, and thank God, eh? Think how boring it would be if you knew
|
||
everything your friends were going to do before they did them... I
|
||
mean, sometimes you can predict their responces but it's always exciting
|
||
when someone surprises you.......
|
||
Incidently, what the *hell* is flicker noise????? Is that, like,
|
||
dolphin clicks???
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAAVIK
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Birth
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 18:43:13
|
||
Message Number 16243
|
||
|
||
Well, I've known a few people who said they'd never have kids and so far
|
||
they haven't and likely won't.... but every so often I see 'em weaken
|
||
and actually smile at a baby........
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAAVIK
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Say what?
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 18:45:00
|
||
Message Number 16244
|
||
|
||
T>I can't tolerate jealousy.
|
||
|
||
But it's always going to be a factor here on Earth... there are lots of
|
||
jealous people. Maybe the situation you are in now deems that you don't
|
||
have to deal with that emotion, but that's a rare situation.... jealousy
|
||
exists to some degree in (I won't say every) almost all relationships.
|
||
|
||
I don't like jealousy, I don't like feeling it and I don't like seeing
|
||
it.... but it exists so I will deal with it as long as it doesn't become
|
||
a major issue...... if it does, it's time to re-evaluate the
|
||
relationship.....
|
||
Like you've said yourself, each person is an individual, full of
|
||
differances and complex emotions, ideas, expressions.... and relation-
|
||
ships are even more complex as they are a joining of two complete
|
||
individuals..... they are bound to be negitive emotions involved in
|
||
most relationships......
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAAVIK
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Huh-uh
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 18:51:43
|
||
Message Number 16245
|
||
|
||
I didn't and never said that not being faithful to one partner does
|
||
not mean you or your lover will go around fucking every animate object
|
||
in town.... I'd never make a completely ridiculous statement like that.
|
||
I'm only saying that if you sleep around, you are increasing your chance
|
||
of contracting something nasty..... you can be as selective as you pleas
|
||
but VD or AIDS isn't tatooed across someones forhead, Turtle.....
|
||
you never know...... and the more chances you take.......
|
||
This isn't a good day and age to sleep around....... I mean, you gotta
|
||
take your chances, I realize that.... but how do you know that you're
|
||
partner is as selective as you are until you get to know him/her? And
|
||
.......aw, never mind.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAAVIK
|
||
To: DRAGONFLY
|
||
Subject: Kiddies
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 18:56:27
|
||
Message Number 16246
|
||
|
||
Drf?Why were you in the hospital?
|
||
|
||
I had a cyst thing removed. No biggie..... they just thought at first
|
||
it was a tumor or something and so I only had one day warning....
|
||
I'm ok now, just a little slow and sore.......
|
||
|
||
Drf>I hope you get well.
|
||
|
||
Thanks, I will be up and out soon.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Babies & You
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 21:13:35
|
||
Message Number 16247
|
||
|
||
SA>(Savvik links her arm in Rufus's and sticks her tongue out at Turtle)
|
||
T>Turtle bites Saavik.
|
||
|
||
Check.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: Seriously now
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 21:15:48
|
||
Message Number 16248
|
||
|
||
SS>*yawn*
|
||
|
||
And, yet, I haven't seen you correct anyone lately...hmmm.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Relationships
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 21:34:17
|
||
Message Number 16249
|
||
|
||
No, I disagree. Sexual fidelity is among the more important things;
|
||
this should be considered equally to dishonesty or violation of
|
||
trust.
|
||
|
||
I repeat, if I'm going to be "with" a chick she will have to be as
|
||
"faithful" as I am -- and this INCLUDES sexuality. If she violates
|
||
this "faithfulness" then this is basis for termination of the
|
||
relationship.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Say what?
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 21:37:44
|
||
Message Number 16250
|
||
|
||
T>...doesn't make it hurt any less, but it does allow you to /choose/
|
||
T>to continue to become intimate with people even after you've been
|
||
T>hurt.
|
||
|
||
Or not to.
|
||
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|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Say how?
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 21:39:52
|
||
Message Number 16251
|
||
|
||
IE, you have nothing to loose.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Not 15000 atall
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 21:43:24
|
||
Message Number 16252
|
||
|
||
T>Oh, come off it. Stop creating false dichotomies and start thinking
|
||
T>with your other head.
|
||
|
||
Hey, fuck you. I was thinking logically. I quite plain and simple
|
||
don't want to catch anything that she might pick up from someone else.
|
||
|
||
T>The fact that your partner has other lovers doesn't mean that she's
|
||
T>screwing everything with a rod. I wouldn't want such a lover, either,
|
||
T>but that's not the type of thing I'm talking about...I'm simply
|
||
T>pointing out that not being able to tolerate the fact that your dear
|
||
T>beloved might ever even remotely entertain the thought of anyone else
|
||
T>is silly (and pathetic).
|
||
|
||
And on the other hand, if she needs someone besides me, then quite
|
||
apparently she has no further need of me. And if you can't understand
|
||
that I have no insecurities about whether or not she is "remotely
|
||
entertaining" the idea of another lover has nothing to do with why I
|
||
would have nothing to do with her then that seems rather "silly and
|
||
pathetic)".
|
||
|
||
T>As for catching something secondhand: If you're sexually active then
|
||
T>that's a risk you take, period. Mature, responsible adults can deal
|
||
T>with that risk.
|
||
|
||
Yes, and I do. By eliminating said "risk"...by dropping the possible
|
||
carrier of said "risk"y sexual practices, ie, said promiscuous lover.
|
||
|
||
T>If your partner is not a mature, responsible adult, then you
|
||
T>have problems that have nothing to do with sex
|
||
|
||
Wrong, I have no problems to speak of...I have no lover that wants to
|
||
sleep around.
|
||
|
||
T>and if she is [a mature responsible adult] then it's an irrelevant
|
||
T>argument.
|
||
|
||
If she was a mature responsible adult, then she wouldn't sleep around.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: DINK? Me??
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 21:58:38
|
||
Message Number 16253
|
||
|
||
T>what would you rather do, change diapers or slide it up to 160 on
|
||
T>I-75?
|
||
|
||
You will never do iether of those...next?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: SAAVIK
|
||
Subject: DINK? Me??
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 22:19:16
|
||
Message Number 16254
|
||
|
||
SA>I wouldn't trade my kids for all the Ferraris in Florida...
|
||
|
||
No? How about just one or two? Hell, I would.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: SAAVIK
|
||
Subject: Huh-uh
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 22:21:50
|
||
Message Number 16255
|
||
|
||
SA>I'm only sayin that if you sleep around, you are increasing your
|
||
SA>chances of contracting something nasty....
|
||
|
||
DING!
|
||
|
||
SA>You can be as selective as you like, but VD or AIDS isn't tattooed
|
||
SA>across someone's forehead, Turtle. You never know
|
||
|
||
DING!
|
||
|
||
TURTLE: Get the picture?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: DRAGONFLY
|
||
Subject: SERIOUS PROBLEM
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 23:13:41
|
||
Message Number 16256
|
||
|
||
>When last I checked, the divorce rate was about 55%.
|
||
|
||
You'd better check again. When last I checked, the divorce rate was
|
||
about 55% IN THE FIRST THREE YEARS ALONE. The overall rate is much
|
||
higher.
|
||
|
||
You may be content with being "stuck with" marriage, but I have too much
|
||
respect for the ideals it is /supposed/ to represent to have any truck
|
||
with it.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: DRAGONFLY
|
||
Subject: fruits
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 23:16:34
|
||
Message Number 16257
|
||
|
||
>Ya know, the amount of horse manure I had to cart actually DID teach
|
||
>me something.
|
||
|
||
No shit.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: KNIGHT OWL
|
||
Subject: names
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 23:17:28
|
||
Message Number 16258
|
||
|
||
>Or.... "Polymorphonuclearlucocite"?
|
||
|
||
Actually, that's "polymorphonuclearlucocyte," and strictly speaking it's
|
||
only a /human/ red blood cell...we humans are unique among shambling
|
||
simians and mammals in general in that mature human red blood cells have
|
||
no nucleus.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: KNIGHT OWL
|
||
Subject: Volkswagen
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 23:20:33
|
||
Message Number 16259
|
||
|
||
>I've seen [sand rails] before... I didn't know they had a name of their
|
||
>own though...
|
||
|
||
Most Bug variants do. The most popular Beetle derivatives are Baja Bugs,
|
||
dune buggies, and sand rails, and they're all distinct.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: SAAVIK
|
||
Subject: Names?
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 23:22:38
|
||
Message Number 16260
|
||
|
||
>How about colors...
|
||
|
||
It's been done. "Goldenrod" reminds me too much of obnoxious carbonless
|
||
forms, though. Didja ever notice how whenever you fill out some form
|
||
in penta-quadruplicate, you always get the goldenrod copy? God, I hate
|
||
that color!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: SAAVIK
|
||
Subject: DINK? Me??
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 23:23:52
|
||
Message Number 16261
|
||
|
||
>...(what are there? 3 [Ferraris in Florida]?)
|
||
|
||
There are more than that in Sarasota alone. I passed a beautiful
|
||
Testarossa a couple of days ago...
|
||
|
||
>[Children continue life, etc]
|
||
|
||
In case you haven't noticed, the planet's kind of overcrowded with
|
||
Homo Sapiens Sapiens as it is. You really love life? Try doing something
|
||
to stop widespread destruction of rainforests. When you consider how
|
||
fast we are exterminating entire /species/ of life (what are we up to
|
||
now, 500 species a year? Something like that), somehow passing on the
|
||
torch of life to a few more destructive and overblown simians seems
|
||
pale and shallow by comparison.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: SAAVIK
|
||
Subject: Flicker noise
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 23:27:16
|
||
Message Number 16262
|
||
|
||
>Incidentally, what the *hell* is flicker noise?????
|
||
|
||
Flicker noise is a characteristic exhibited by a lot of chaotic systems.
|
||
It's the type of unpredictable state transitions you see in a non-
|
||
continuous chaotic system that displays brief, drastic state changes
|
||
between periods of apparant stability. If you want to see it i action,
|
||
just turn over an hourglass...the sand'll pile up to a certain point
|
||
nice and quiet-like, then suddenly landslide to a new state, and pile
|
||
up quietly, and landslide. A common characteristic is that tiny changes
|
||
in the system--the addition of /one/ grain of sand--can cause a sudden
|
||
catastrophic change in the system, and it is absolutely impossible to
|
||
predict the magnitude of the change except in certain broad limits
|
||
(there will always be more small changes than large changes, for
|
||
example). Also, the ratio of small to large shifts is relatively
|
||
constant over any number of iterations, meaning that the behavior of the
|
||
system is fractal, and if you plot the number of shifts of various
|
||
magnitudes over a given number of transitions you'll get a nice, smooth
|
||
curve. Any chaotic system that behaves this way is said to exhibit
|
||
flicker noise. I brought it up because I was thinking about chaos theory
|
||
about a week ago and noticed that some relationships I've seen work the
|
||
same way--the system tends to drive itself to the brink of instability,
|
||
then realign drastically at a seemingly trivial change. You know, like
|
||
couples who seem perfectly happy until--whammy!--the slightest stress
|
||
explodes into a major confrontation way out of proportion to whatever
|
||
caused the stress in the first place. All systems which exhibit flicker
|
||
noise can /seem/ to be perfectly solid and stable while actually being
|
||
a hairbreath away from disaster, so one grain of sand or one trivial
|
||
disagreement can cause the whole thing to come crashing down. They're
|
||
non-linear, see, and...hell, I'm out of space.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: SAAVIK
|
||
Subject: Say what?
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 23:36:05
|
||
Message Number 16263
|
||
|
||
T>I can't tolerate jealousy.
|
||
S>But it's always going to be a factor here on Earth.
|
||
|
||
So are hatred and fear and greed and selfishness, but that doesn't mean
|
||
I gotta have any truck with them either. I don't grok jealousy, I don't
|
||
understand it, and I have very little patience for it. I will not become
|
||
involved in a relationship with a jealous or overly posessive partner.
|
||
Yes, I've had to deal with it occasionally, butthat doesn't mean I have
|
||
to tolerate it, any more than I have to tolerate dishonesty or any other
|
||
violation of trust.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: SAAVIK
|
||
Subject: Huh-uh
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 23:39:50
|
||
Message Number 16264
|
||
|
||
>This isn't a good day and age to sleep around.......
|
||
|
||
No age has /ever/ been a good day and age to sleep around, with the
|
||
sole exception of that brief interlude between the discovery of
|
||
penecillin and the advent of the first antibiotic-resistant microbes.
|
||
What people don't realize is that the existance of an incurable
|
||
sexually-transmitted disease that can kill you isn't some new horror,
|
||
it's been the norm for almost all of human history. There has been
|
||
exactly /one/ generation in all the time since the advent of man that
|
||
could say it didn't have to worry about dying of something contracted
|
||
from a lover.
|
||
|
||
Yes, AIDSD and other STD's are a risk. So is driving your car...in fact,
|
||
driving your car is several orders of magnitude more dangerous than
|
||
sex. It's a matter of /relative/ risk. Do you realize that your chances
|
||
of being struck by lightning are about three times greater than your
|
||
chances of contracting AIDS via hetersexual sexual intercourse with a
|
||
person chosen at random from somewhere inside the United States? You're
|
||
more likely to get hepatitis-B than AIDS from normal sexual intercourse,
|
||
and I don't notice any widespread fear of hepatitis or any radical
|
||
change in anyone's sexual behavior because of it. And, sure 'nuff,
|
||
hepatitis can kill you.
|
||
|
||
I'm not downplaying the risk of contracting a sexually transmitted
|
||
disease from casual or careless sex, and I'm certainly not advocating
|
||
going out and sleeping around. I /am/ rational about the risk of STD's,
|
||
though, and I /am/ rational about being careful to avoid them and
|
||
behaving in a responsible manner when I'm in a sexual situation. People
|
||
who don't take steps to protect themselves when they're having sex are
|
||
idiots, just like people who don't wear seatbelts are idiots...but the
|
||
fact that driving a car and engaging in sexual intercourse both have
|
||
risks is not, by itself, a valid reason not to drive or have sex. I
|
||
think, though, that
|
||
<continued next message>
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: SAAVIK
|
||
Subject: <continuing>
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 23:49:30
|
||
Message Number 16265
|
||
|
||
...that the thing that bothers me the most about the current popular
|
||
reaction to AIDS is this smug, self-important idea that this is a
|
||
new thing, that if it wasn't for /this thing/ we could go back to the
|
||
way things /ought/ to be, like they were /before/, where dying from
|
||
some disease you got while having sex was just /so/ unheard of...you
|
||
know, the "love shouldn't kill" mindset that finds it so utterly
|
||
appalling that you can't fuck indiscriminately without fear of anything
|
||
worse than an inconvenient trip to the doctor for a shot of penecillin.
|
||
For a brief instant it was there, and now that things are back to normal
|
||
everyone's reacting like Donald Trump when he found out his credit had
|
||
run out..."you simply /can't/ do this to us!" Grr...that bugs me.
|
||
But, I think I shall stop ranting now before I /really/ get going...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Relationships
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 23:54:33
|
||
Message Number 16266
|
||
|
||
>Sexual fidelity is among the more important things; ...
|
||
|
||
Why? As long as she isn't doing anything behind your back, why? What's
|
||
so goddamn special about sexual intercourse that isn't equally special
|
||
about non-sexual intimacy or any other type of close, personal
|
||
type of relationship? Or would you also get annoyed if you saw your
|
||
lover engaged in a physically intimate, close, non-sexual relationship
|
||
with another man? Is it okay if she kisses another man as long as she
|
||
doesn't (pardon) fuck him as well, or is that off-limits too? Where
|
||
do you draw the line, and why?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Say what?
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 23:58:07
|
||
Message Number 16267
|
||
|
||
>Or not to.
|
||
|
||
*Ding* Either way, the choice is yours...you make the decision, not some
|
||
blind, senseless emotion.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Say how?
|
||
Date & Time: 04/28/91 23:59:06
|
||
Message Number 16268
|
||
|
||
IE, you have nothing to lose.
|
||
|
||
Hmm. I'm not sure that's really the same thing. I know for a fact that
|
||
if my partner takes another lover it has no bearing whatsoever on our
|
||
relationship, if that's what you mean...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Not 15000 atall
|
||
Date & Time: 04/29/91 00:00:49
|
||
Message Number 16269
|
||
|
||
>If she had need of another lover, she quite obviously has no further
|
||
>need of me.
|
||
|
||
Voop! Voop! Voop! Non-sequitur alert! That one doesn't even begin to
|
||
make it as a valid statement. First off, you don't take another lover
|
||
because you "need" another lover; second off, a relationship had best
|
||
be based on needs other than sex if it's gonna get anywhere...if your
|
||
partner has no need of you out of bed, you have a problem.
|
||
|
||
>If she was a mature responsible adult, then she wouldn't sleep around.
|
||
|
||
Having an open relationship is not the same thing as having a lover that
|
||
"sleeps around," although I most sincerely doubt I will be able to make
|
||
you understand that. In any event, that statement doesn't hold water
|
||
even if you /do/ accept the idea that if your relationship is open your
|
||
partner will "sleep around".
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: ROBERT
|
||
To: KYARA TOKYO
|
||
Subject: Moving along
|
||
Date & Time: 04/29/91 00:34:08
|
||
Message Number 16270
|
||
|
||
"Dangerous? No. No, not really. Old 'abits die hard, that's all. You
|
||
will forgive if I am curious about your weapon of choice, though.
|
||
Can't say I've met any wandering ronin before." He sits down next to
|
||
Kyara and continues, "I've just realized I've been most unspeakably
|
||
rude, though. I didn't answer your earlier question. 'Ow bloody
|
||
thoughtless of me! No, I don't assume you've 'ad martial arts training
|
||
just because of your race. My word, no. Can't really put my finger on
|
||
what it is about you, but there it is." He brushes her hair back away
|
||
from her neck and lightly traces the curve of her shoulder with the tip
|
||
of one finger, then begins to massage her shoulders. "I suppose one
|
||
can't be too careful, though."
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SHANDRA
|
||
To: SAAVIK
|
||
Subject: Trouble?
|
||
Date & Time: 04/29/91 00:48:56
|
||
Message Number 16271
|
||
|
||
Trouble brewing somewhere nearby? That's putting it mildly. My tail
|
||
twitches up over my shoulder and I start gnawing on the end of it--
|
||
an old habit I've never been able to break. "Something weird's going
|
||
down around here. My guess is it's something to do with a bunch of
|
||
mercenary special-forces types. Someone certainly seems to have had
|
||
a falling out with our friend over there. Even odds that it doesn't
|
||
involve us directly. We just happen to be in the crossfire. It still
|
||
don't add up, though. Something don't feel right." I twitch my tail back
|
||
down where it belongs and coil it around my leg, to resist the
|
||
temptation to start biting it again. "I don't know," I say again
|
||
unnecessarily. "This has a real funny vibe to it, not military, not
|
||
spook, not S.A.G., but I still got this feeling like things are getting
|
||
set to go shitstorm on us. We still got that emergency generator in the
|
||
shed? I think I'll have Louis start tying things down. Where's Robert?"
|
||
I look over to his table and notice that the young lady--what was her
|
||
name?--isn't there any more. He hasn't returned from his ritual morning
|
||
walk yet, either...oh, great. Fine time to think about getting laid, I
|
||
think to myself. Bastard. I notice my tail has come unwound and is
|
||
lashing the air behind me. All this time and that sonofabitch can still
|
||
get to me. "Well, I got stuff to do, so I won't detain you. I'll keep
|
||
my eyes open, though. Be careful."
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: KNIGHT OWL
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: fruits
|
||
Date & Time: 04/29/91 01:59:36
|
||
Message Number 16272
|
||
|
||
DF> Ya know, the amount of horse manure I had to cart actually DID teach
|
||
DF> me something.
|
||
|
||
T> No shit.
|
||
|
||
ROFL!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: KNIGHT OWL
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: spelling..
|
||
Date & Time: 04/29/91 02:01:48
|
||
Message Number 16273
|
||
|
||
I wasn't too sure whether to use an 'i' or a 'y'; so I took my chances.
|
||
|
||
Ya gotta admit though, it would be one hell of a name to be stuck with,
|
||
especially if your job requires your signiture frequently.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: KNIGHT OWL
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: cars
|
||
Date & Time: 04/29/91 02:04:45
|
||
Message Number 16274
|
||
|
||
Have you ever seen a Volvo 1800 E?
|
||
They're pretty neat cars.
|
||
|
||
As for cars in general, I don't like any of the cars that have been
|
||
produced in the past several years.
|
||
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: KNIGHT OWL
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: jealousy
|
||
Date & Time: 04/29/91 02:10:06
|
||
Message Number 16275
|
||
|
||
In reading your point of view on the subject of jealousy; I am curious
|
||
about something.
|
||
|
||
Are you an only child?
|
||
|
||
the reason I ask, is that being one greatly diminishes your exposure to
|
||
"intr - people" emotions in the early years of life.
|
||
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: ODEN
|
||
To: KNIGHT OWL
|
||
Subject: Kiwi Fruits
|
||
Date & Time: 04/29/91 13:58:27
|
||
Message Number 16276
|
||
|
||
>Kiwi fruit look like ape balls.
|
||
|
||
Argh! blah! you wont catching my eating one of those things again!
|
||
whatta thought... ewwue... next time you are at the supermarket, pick
|
||
one up and fondle it. bet you will make a weird face and put it down
|
||
promptly. well, unless ofcourse you like ape balls. thats you... heh.
|
||
-Oden
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: RUFUS
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: fruits
|
||
Date & Time: 04/29/91 14:18:40
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||
Message Number 16277
|
||
|
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>I think star fruit are actually called "kiwi fruit".
|
||
|
||
Nope...star fruit are star shaped (hence the name) yellow fruits. Kiwi
|
||
fruit are those little brown furry fruits. If I can dig up the fact
|
||
sheet on Star Fruits I'll bring it by...
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|
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|
||
From: DRAGONFLY
|
||
To: SAAVIK
|
||
Subject: fruits
|
||
Date & Time: 04/29/91 15:21:53
|
||
Message Number 16278
|
||
|
||
I'd love to hear of someone named "and so on."
|
||
|
||
Now that we've run out of nouns to call people, what about other
|
||
parts of speech? (Skip the interjections.)
|
||
//Dragonfly//
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|
||
|
||
From: DRAGONFLY
|
||
To: SAAVIK
|
||
Subject: Kiddies
|
||
Date & Time: 04/29/91 15:24:48
|
||
Message Number 16279
|
||
|
||
>I had a cyst thing removed.
|
||
|
||
If I'd never met you, I would have been convinced I knew who you are.
|
||
At the same time you were in the hospital, another friend of mine was
|
||
also in the hospital, getting a cyst removed...
|
||
|
||
Keep on getting well, and keep your chin up!
|
||
(And hope die Kinder don't drive mommy crazy.)
|
||
//Dragonfly//
|
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|
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|
||
From: DRAGONFLY
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Relationships
|
||
Date & Time: 04/29/91 15:27:09
|
||
Message Number 16280
|
||
|
||
(Mein Gott, do we agree on something?) I consider sexual fidelity to be
|
||
a part of trust: if the relationship is set up with sexual fidelity in
|
||
the mind of both partners, that's a part of the trust.
|
||
|
||
Yes, my relationship with Jenn weathered a lot of storms... but, in
|
||
the end, the thing that killed it was not sexual fidelity, nor lack of
|
||
trust -- just the subtle distancing that comes of two people not sharing
|
||
enough experiences together. (And, what's confusing: She seems to be
|
||
coming back! Waaaaah.)
|
||
//Dragonfly//
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|
||
|
||
From: DRAGONFLY
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Whoops...
|
||
Date & Time: 04/29/91 15:31:23
|
||
Message Number 16281
|
||
|
||
(I feel better, now. We do disagree.)
|
||
|
||
> I quite plain and simple don't want to catch anything that she might
|
||
> pick up from someone else.
|
||
|
||
That's a perfectly logical and rational reason to insist on mutual
|
||
monogamy. No -- she might not catch something (or he might not) if
|
||
[s]he sleeps with someone else who is infected... but why take chances?
|
||
|
||
> And on the other hand, if she needs someone besides me, then quite
|
||
> apparently she doesn't need me.*
|
||
|
||
*Klank!* Huh? That makes no sense whatsoever. The fact that you
|
||
might not be able to satisfy all of your girlfriend's needs does NOT
|
||
mean she doesn't need you.
|
||
|
||
In my relationship with Jenn, we were (and still are!) very close
|
||
friends. But we didn't share all of the same interests. We both enjoy
|
||
certain things (cooking, science fiction, and unusual movies), but we
|
||
both have some very different interests and different friends. I can't
|
||
talk with her about certain topics, because I know next to nothing about
|
||
them: she turns to other friends for that. I can't talk with Jenn
|
||
about all of my interests, because she knows next to nothing about them.
|
||
(For example, I can't talk "math" to her, without taking about an hour
|
||
to explain the basic concepts first.)
|
||
|
||
We learned very quickly in our relationship that we CAN'T be every-
|
||
thing to each other... but that it didn't matter. As long as we had
|
||
each other for the emotional support, and as long as we shared interests
|
||
in common, we were still in love.
|
||
|
||
> ...I have no lover that wants to sleep around.
|
||
|
||
I sure didn't! And neither did Jenn! A person can't control whether
|
||
they want to sleep around or not: but they can control whether or not
|
||
they actually sleep around.
|
||
//Dragonfly//
|
||
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|
||
|
||
From: DRAGONFLY
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Explanation
|
||
Date & Time: 04/29/91 15:51:15
|
||
Message Number 16282
|
||
|
||
(Whoops. That last part might have been a bit unclear. I meant that
|
||
both Jenn and I /wanted/ to sleep around. Sorry.
|
||
//Dragonfly//
|
||
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|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: SAAVIK
|
||
Subject: You're Preggers
|
||
Date & Time: 04/29/91 15:58:36
|
||
Message Number 16283
|
||
|
||
SA> Stick a fork in me, I'm done.
|
||
|
||
Okay. *STAB*...scream.....nope, she's still alive and kicking, she's
|
||
not done yet.
|
||
|
||
I hope that's not prophetic.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: SAAVIK
|
||
Subject: 15000
|
||
Date & Time: 04/29/91 16:00:54
|
||
Message Number 16284
|
||
|
||
Yes, what you said about the actual amount of time they send together is
|
||
true, but....you are /still/ married every minute of every day.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: fruits
|
||
Date & Time: 04/29/91 16:06:19
|
||
Message Number 16285
|
||
|
||
Speaking of weird names in general, I heard of this one set of parents
|
||
who did something rather cruel to their daughter....The family surname
|
||
was Falls. And they named their daughter, "Water." I heard that these
|
||
parents didn't mentally survive the drug era of the 60's too well, and
|
||
hence a daughter named, Water Falls.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Relationships
|
||
Date & Time: 04/29/91 16:13:13
|
||
Message Number 16286
|
||
|
||
A sexual issue will destroy a relationship with me, that is true, but so
|
||
will dishonestly and violation of trust. I have sometimes forgiven
|
||
unfaithfulness, and lies, and breeches of my trust, but I don't like to.
|
||
I'm not going to enter a relationship if I know that the girl wants to
|
||
see other people....usually that kind of information is learned in the
|
||
beginning of a relationship.
|
||
T> A relationship built in such a way that a sexual issuse will
|
||
T> terminate it is a relationship built on air, you know?
|
||
|
||
Wrong...A relationship where intimacy is exclusive shared allows for the
|
||
two people to get closer to each other. It allows for a /stronger/
|
||
foundation to be built. It is pure foolishness to allow yourself to get
|
||
very close to someone who has other lovers, you are virtually guaranteed
|
||
to get hurt. But, if you and your mate are only having sexual
|
||
interaction with another, it can add to the cohesiveness of the
|
||
relationship.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Say how?
|
||
Date & Time: 04/29/91 16:22:05
|
||
Message Number 16287
|
||
|
||
T> I have been involved in enough open relationships to /know/ that if
|
||
T> my partner takes another lover, it doesn't change anything about our
|
||
T> relationship....
|
||
|
||
That's bullshit and you know it....hypothetically speaking, how you feel
|
||
if I was interested in Kelly. Would you not feel threaten by me?
|
||
|
||
To make a more obvious point, if one of your lovers in an open
|
||
relationship decides to remain faithful to one of her other lovers,
|
||
then she has just changed something in your relationship.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Not 15000 atall
|
||
Date & Time: 04/29/91 16:28:57
|
||
Message Number 16288
|
||
|
||
T> I'm simply pointing out that not being able to tolerate the fact that
|
||
T> you dear beloved might ever even remotely entertain the thought og
|
||
T> (of) anyone else is silly (and pathtic).
|
||
|
||
We are not talking about /thoughts/, we are talking about actions. I
|
||
wouldn't care if my girlfriend thought about other men, or fantasized
|
||
about other men. That has nothing to do with anything. I will not
|
||
tolerate her seeing someone else while we are together. Just as a
|
||
clarifier, I have been in relationships where it was /established/ at
|
||
the outset, that /we/ could see other people..In that kind of
|
||
relationship, I don't even bother trying to get close to that person,
|
||
basically, we would spend some time together, but we were just a
|
||
fuck-buddy for the other. Nothing more. If I want a meaningful
|
||
relationship with someone, then I stipulant that neither her and
|
||
myself will be involved with anyone. If she finds this not to her
|
||
liking, she knows where the door is.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Seriously now
|
||
Date & Time: 04/29/91 16:47:48
|
||
Message Number 16289
|
||
|
||
TS> And, yet, I haven't seen you correct anyone lately....hmmmm.
|
||
|
||
I an human, believe it or not. I just don't feel like correcting
|
||
/every/ error that goes by. But don't worry, I'll still correct errors
|
||
occasionally, as always.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Say how?
|
||
Date & Time: 04/29/91 16:50:35
|
||
Message Number 16290
|
||
|
||
TS> IE, you have nothing to loose.
|
||
|
||
Isn't that spelled, "lose"?
|
||
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Not 15000 atall
|
||
Date & Time: 04/29/91 16:54:08
|
||
Message Number 16291
|
||
|
||
*Ding*
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: DINK? Me??
|
||
Date & Time: 04/29/91 16:56:53
|
||
Message Number 16292
|
||
|
||
T>.....Trying doing something to stop widespread destruction of
|
||
T> rainforests.
|
||
|
||
And what have you done for this planet's eco-system?
|
||
You're awfully self-righteous lately.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Relationships
|
||
Date & Time: 04/29/91 17:03:01
|
||
Message Number 16293
|
||
|
||
T> Where do you draw the line, and why?
|
||
|
||
If I am involved in a serious relationship with a woman, I will not
|
||
tolerate her FRENCH-kissing another man. (I don't have a problem with
|
||
a normal kiss exchanged between two people.) I will be faithful to
|
||
her, and she will be faithful to me, if not, she's history. Period.
|
||
Anything from french kissing to sleeping together. That's where I
|
||
draw the line.
|
||
Now, for the 'why' portion of your question.
|
||
|
||
Because I feel that if two people are intimate with one another
|
||
then that relationship can be allowed to run deep emotionally. If, on
|
||
the other had, no commitment is made, and therefore, you can sleep
|
||
with whoever you choose, then I question your depth of feeling for your
|
||
lover.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Say how?
|
||
Date & Time: 04/29/91 17:11:11
|
||
Message Number 16294
|
||
|
||
T> I know for a fact that if my partner takes another lover it has no
|
||
T> bearing on our relationship.
|
||
|
||
Bullshit! That's bullshit and you know it. (Refer to my post where I
|
||
draw a hypothetic scenario for Turtle.)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Relationships
|
||
Date & Time: 04/29/91 17:28:48
|
||
Message Number 16295
|
||
|
||
T>Why? What's so goddamn special about sexual intercourse that isn't
|
||
T>equally special about non-sexual intimacy of any other type of close,
|
||
T>personal type of relationship?
|
||
|
||
Hmmm...could it be, the exchange of bodily fluids?
|
||
|
||
T>Or would you also get annoyed if you saw your lover engaged in a
|
||
T>physically intimate, close, non-sexual relationship with another man?
|
||
|
||
What the hell's a "physically intimate, close, non-sexual relationship"?
|
||
How the hell can you have a "physically intimate non-sexual
|
||
relationship"? That's like flying without getting up in the air!
|
||
Physical intimacy implies sexual relations!
|
||
|
||
T>Is it okay if she kisses another man as long as she doesn't...fuck
|
||
T>him as well, or is that off limits too? Where do you draw the line,
|
||
T>and why?
|
||
|
||
Is it ok? Hell, no! I draw the line at exchange of bodily fluids...
|
||
for lack of a better distinction. But then again, I'm not interested
|
||
in "sharing" my lover.
|
||
|
||
To wit: I was talking about faithfulness; I included sexual fidelity
|
||
as part of my prerequisites. I am not willing to share my lover with
|
||
anyone, and so, if she feels like someone else then have at it...without
|
||
me.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Not 15000 atall
|
||
Date & Time: 04/29/91 17:43:43
|
||
Message Number 16296
|
||
|
||
T>First off, you don't take another lover because you need one,
|
||
|
||
The opposite of that this that you take another lover because you want
|
||
one...which means that you are not completely satisfied with the first
|
||
one. And if you are not completely satisfied with the first one, it's
|
||
time you found one that you _are_ completely satisfied with.
|
||
|
||
T>...second off, a relationship had best be based on needs other than
|
||
T>sex if it's gonna get anywhere...
|
||
|
||
(sarcastic:) Ding.
|
||
|
||
T>...if your partner has no need for you out of bed, you have a problem.
|
||
|
||
No, I no longer have that particular lover. IE, no problem.
|
||
|
||
T>Having an "open relationship" is not the same thing as having a lover
|
||
T>that "sleeps around"
|
||
|
||
No, but it is the next "best" thing. If you have to lovers, and she has
|
||
two lovers, and they have two lovers, and so on...and so on...somethings
|
||
BOUND to come your way, sooner or later. And if just ONE of those
|
||
"oh, i don't care" fag fuckers happens to come in contact with your
|
||
cozy little pyramid...well, it was nice knowing ya, Turtle.
|
||
|
||
T>although I most sincerly doubt I will be able to make you understand
|
||
T>that.
|
||
|
||
Oh, I understand...I just hope that you catch wind of what I'm trying
|
||
to put across.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: DRAGONFLY
|
||
Subject: Whoops...
|
||
Date & Time: 04/29/91 18:01:28
|
||
Message Number 16297
|
||
|
||
Ok, so look at it like this: in a world of absolutes, which I live
|
||
in (absolutely) if I can take no other lover than my current lover,
|
||
then she can have no other as well. With this in mind, consider:
|
||
She is not completely happy with the sex aspect of our relationshipm
|
||
so in a fit of pique, she decides to try someone else. Rather than h
|
||
have this happen, I would rather she broke up with me *before* she
|
||
took someone else, because until she found out if she was *clean* after
|
||
that, I wouldn't want to sleep with her. Abosolutely, no exceptions.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: UBAFTM
|
||
Date & Time: 04/29/91 18:12:21
|
||
Message Number 16298
|
||
|
||
Ok, Turtle...you need to sign on to UBAFTM...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: HACMAN
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: SERIOUS PROBLEM
|
||
Date & Time: 04/29/91 20:14:14
|
||
Message Number 16299
|
||
|
||
And what would your ideal marriage be like? Trusting, committed
|
||
relationship? Lasting how long? Forever? Several partners involved?
|
||
For myself, I have been married for 7 years. I love my honey more
|
||
now than before. Sure, we've had our problems..who hasn't? But a
|
||
truely idealic marriage doesn't exist (except the Beavers parents
|
||
marriage) and who really believs that type of marriage exists or
|
||
ever existed. A good marriage is possible, but not without bumps. I
|
||
Don't think the type of marriage that won't make /you/ ill EVER
|
||
existed. Sure you can quote me statistics on divorce rates and such,
|
||
but there would be just as many then if it was as easy as today to get
|
||
one. If two people want to make it work they can...yesterday, today,
|
||
AND tomorrow.
|
||
My point: I'm not really sure....
|
||
Burney
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: HACMAN
|
||
To: SAAVIK
|
||
Subject: Birth
|
||
Date & Time: 04/29/91 20:31:52
|
||
Message Number 16300
|
||
|
||
I agree with both of you...sorta. A newborn can be just what a couple
|
||
want...and therefore, it is beautiful(in there eyes). On the other
|
||
hand, to someone who doesn't care for children, there aint much you can
|
||
say/do to convince'm otherwise. Myself included. I personally do not
|
||
want children. Thank God my wife doesn't either. As far as eating
|
||
our words, I dont think we ever will. It is our choice and someone
|
||
cannot change our minds. If we change our minds in the future, our
|
||
perspective will change. I do not "detest" children, I just dont
|
||
want anything to do with them. If someone else wants them, fine by me.
|
||
Burney
|
||
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|
||
|