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From: NANA
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To: THRUD
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Subject: Big K's, etc.
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Date & Time: 01/28/91 22:21:38
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Message Number 11601
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Firstly, you're looking at a brand new key presser. I have the modem set
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up at work, so, until I get a computer for home, I can talk only during
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the daytime. And, since I am a newcomer, I started reading the messages,
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happened upon your unfriendly message. Thought to myself, "Hey, this guy
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needs my pleasant personality to cheer up his attitude. Well, if you don
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't want to talk I guess I'll look elsewhere...(sob!)
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From: CYBERPUNK
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To: ALL
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Subject: plugplugplug
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Date & Time: 01/29/91 04:43:43
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Message Number 11602
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Well all, it's PLUG TIME again, me and Thumper One are over at my house
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and we are going to try to impress all of you guys, because you all post
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the most intelligent messages i've ever seen... so there...
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here goooooooooooooes..........
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...////The Grimoire\\\\... ...////WarrenPeace\\\\...
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813-371-0888 813-378-1328
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300..... 1200..... 2400... Baud!!! (both that is)
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Sysop:Cyberpunk Sysop:Thumper One
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Both running off of the Remote Acess Version 0.04!!!
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Both with Multiple Message bases, but WarrenPeace has Files for
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leeches (kill 'em!!) The Grimoire Doesn't....
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Call 'em both now!! (well not at the same time, kinda be messy)
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This has been a Stomp Bunny and Cyber Production. TM 1991
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From: RUFUS
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To: TURTLE
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Subject: Model 100
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Date & Time: 01/29/91 05:09:36
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Message Number 11603
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Umm....I got it from someone on the BBSs. He called up my system,
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left a message saying "I'm using a model 100...etc." In fact, he has
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a model-200, his model 100 which is as 'souped up' as you can get it,
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and the one I got from him. It only has 8k and I really wanna get some
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more installed. Bart said it was non-standard ram. Do you know what
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kind it uses, where to get it, and how to install it without repeating
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the Heathkit episode. It's amazing that two very computer literate
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people walked up and started going "Oh wow, neat, lemme see," and a
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teacher goes "Radio Shack...nice toy." Hmmpphhh...if my friend, who
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wants one now, gets one, we're gonna hook 'em up with a long RS-232
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cable and talk in class. "Us? Taking notes. The cable? Umm..shared
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ram network, yeah, that's it. Umm...increases the speed too...yeah."
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Ask Raven if he still has that acoustic modem he got at the auction. If
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he does, I want it.
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From: RUFUS
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To: NANA
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Subject: Big K's, etc.
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Date & Time: 01/29/91 05:17:37
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Message Number 11604
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Welcome to the BBS. Enjoy it and be sure to look at the BBS list
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and snoop around some other local BBSs. (and I won't even mention
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Uncle Bob's Alligator Farm & Tofu Museum at 371-3498. That would be
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shameless).
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From: TIBERIUS
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To: TURTLE
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Subject: system
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Date & Time: 01/29/91 05:30:48
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Message Number 11605
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Actually, we were running TurboDos or some derivative thereof. We had a
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TeleVideo 816 File server and 5 dumb terminals. I think three 506's (??)
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Is that right? Another was a bigger one with two floppies on the side,
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and the last was (I think) a TPC 1??? S'been so long I forget a lot of
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it. Even had an external 300 baud (fast, eh?) non auto dial auto answer
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U.S. Robotics that I used to steal and take home to my TPC 1 and call
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around with. That's how I got hooked on BBS'ing. I can remember when
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CompuServe wanted $6.00/hr for 300 baud and an OUTRAGEOUS $12/hr for
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anything faster!!
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We started out with a non-multi-user database called Condor. Every time
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one girl went into the same file as another, KA-BOOM!! Shit flew
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everywhere and we had to stop and do a backup restore. Then we went to
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an 8-bit version of DataFlex, multi-user and all. It was great. That's
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when I quit and went on my own programming in DataFlex. They refused to
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change my job description to include programmer and pay me a bit more,
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so I left. Best move I ever made.
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From: TIBERIUS
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To: NIGHT OWL
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Subject: water
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Date & Time: 01/29/91 05:44:22
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Message Number 11606
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I agree with you. When my friend went and got water, you could taste the
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SWEETNESS in it. You don't get that in bottled water today.
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From: SCOTT STEEL
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To: TURTLE
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Subject: Oil
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Date & Time: 01/29/91 06:16:11
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Message Number 11608
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T>...why, I could go on and on.
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You already have.
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Enough said.
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From: SCOTT STEEL
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To: BLACK MAGIC
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Subject: WAR
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Date & Time: 01/29/91 06:22:21
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Message Number 11609
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Unfortunately, I have all too many "days". It's the (plain) night that
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I'd really like to complain about.
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From: SCOTT STEEL
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To: TIBERIUS
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Subject: trivia
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Date & Time: 01/29/91 06:26:06
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Message Number 11610
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TI> And I think we are all a little off on the two women. One was T'Pow
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and the other D'Pring, just which was which?
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T'Pow was the officialiate. (sp?)
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D'Pring was Spock's mate.
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From: SCOTT STEEL
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To: THUMPER 1
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Subject: Vulcan Bastige
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Date & Time: 01/29/91 06:31:58
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Message Number 11611
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T1> Tam-Pons Fars...
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You /are/ gross! BTW, the word was menstruation.
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From: SCOTT STEEL
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To: BEATLE
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Subject: Give Peace agin
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Date & Time: 01/29/91 06:40:17
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Message Number 11612
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>Pathetic.
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In a small sense, maybe Cindi Lauper.
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Ummm, That's Cyndi Lauper.
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From: SCOTT STEEL
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To: NIGHT OWL
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Subject: hamsters
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Date & Time: 01/29/91 06:43:28
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Message Number 11613
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TS> What is it with you and hamsters?
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NO> Sex.
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SS> Do you do gerbil stuffing too?
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NO> I plead the fifth ammendment...
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Coward. What, you won't come out your closet (cage). Or won't stay out
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of the cage. Whatever the case may be.
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From: SCOTT STEEL
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To: THE SPECIALIST
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Subject: Give It a Rest
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Date & Time: 01/29/91 06:51:38
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Message Number 11614
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Please.
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From: SCOTT STEEL
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To: THE SPECIALIST
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Subject: trivia
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Date & Time: 01/29/91 06:56:27
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Message Number 11615
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I don't recall...if I saw that :> at the end of his message. I just got
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a little annoyed with him. But yes I'm fimiliar with the faces.
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But, on the other hand, ROFLSC and TANSTAAFL /are/ new to me.
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TS> viscious (sp?)
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That doesn't look right....(refers to handy-dandy speller.....
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vicious...there she is.
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For shame...you can come up with homopervertual, and spell it correctly
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but can't spell vicious right.
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From: SCOTT STEEL
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To: THE SPECIALIST
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Subject: hamsters
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Date & Time: 01/29/91 07:04:06
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Message Number 11616
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TS> ..if I were you, I would give a solid "NO."
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First of all, you're /not/ him. But that's beside the point.
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Obviously, either he can't give a solid "no.", or for some warped reason
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he wants us to /think/ he gerbil stuffs.
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From: SCOTT STEEL
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To: TURTLE
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Subject: protesters
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Date & Time: 01/29/91 07:12:14
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Message Number 11617
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T> Seriously, though, you have a real problem with people who express
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opinions you don't like, don't you?
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Yeah, I think he does. That is, of cousre, if he can't get them to come
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to his side. The Specialist is very singly-minded.
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From: SCOTT STEEL
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To: TURTLE
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Subject: Give it a Rest
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Date & Time: 01/29/91 07:15:08
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Message Number 11618
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Turtle and Specialist, give it a rest, would ya? God damn, guys, you
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have been arguing for days, and haven't gotten anywhere. Drop it.
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Shit, if this keeps up, you two will still be arguing when the war's
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over.
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Neither one of you will give the other the credibly due to the one
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another. You're just aimlessly hacking, getting nowhere, solving
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nothing, compromising anywhere, and probably aggravating the hell out
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of other users.
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Stop it.
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Play nice.
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Good boys.
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Please....:)
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From: SCOTT STEEL
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To: THE SPECIALIST
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Subject: PA
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Date & Time: 01/29/91 07:30:26
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Message Number 11620
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TS> South Carolina
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Hey, my brother lives there. He's stationed in Charleston with the Navy.
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You know, you should be more careful when slamming states. You bound to
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accidently offended someone.
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From: SCOTT STEEL
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To: RUFUS
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Subject: Big K's, etc.
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Date & Time: 01/29/91 07:35:48
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Message Number 11621
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R> That would be shameless.
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It was.
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Have a day.
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Scott Steel
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From: SCOTT STEEL
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To: RUFUS
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Subject: war!
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Date & Time: 01/29/91 07:38:41
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Message Number 11622
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R> It was just a fit of sillyness. I'll stop being silly.
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No, don't do that, then you'll have no personality at all.
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From: RUFUS
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To: SCOTT STEEL
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Subject: PA
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Date & Time: 01/29/91 10:42:31
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Message Number 11623
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>You know, you should be more careful when slamming states. You bound
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>to accidently offended someone.
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Hmm...this sounds amazing like an episode we had with the advisor of the
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school paper. She didn't like a cartoon because it may "offend some
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lawyers." Imagine if we had seen this scene years ago. "Gee Gary, this
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Doonsbery stuff seems to be, well, offensive. We wouldn't want to hurt
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anyone."
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From: RUFUS
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To: SCOTT STEEL
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Subject: Big K's, etc.
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Date & Time: 01/29/91 10:44:41
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Message Number 11624
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>Have a day.
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Isn't that "Have a day and a smile"?
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From: RUFUS
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To: SCOTT STEEL
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Subject: war!
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Date & Time: 01/29/91 10:45:25
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Message Number 11625
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R> It was just a fit of sillyness. I'll stop being silly.
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SS> No, don't do that, then you'll have no personality at all.
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Ya know, I take that as a slam against me. What I should do with it is
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a mystery to me since my brain is in a state somewhere between tapioca
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and microwaved sushi.
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From: THE SPECIALIST
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To: SCOTT STEEL
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Subject: protesters
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Date & Time: 01/29/91 11:02:00
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Message Number 11626
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SS> The Specialist is very singly-minded.
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Spelled S-T-U-B-B-O-R-N.
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From: THE SPECIALIST
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To: SCOTT STEEL
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Subject: Give it a Rest
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Date & Time: 01/29/91 11:03:18
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Message Number 11627
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SS>Turtle, and Specialist...blah, blah, blah, blather, blather, grumble
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SS>grumble, spthlllllth....
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Butt out.
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From: THE SPECIALIST
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To: RUFUS
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Subject: war!
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Date & Time: 01/29/91 11:05:47
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Message Number 11628
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SS>...blah, blah, personality at all!
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R>Y'know, I take that as a slam against me.
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Yup. Very good. Tomorrow, we'll discuss compliments.
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From: THUMPER 1
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To: RUFUS
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Subject: Tapes
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Date & Time: 01/29/91 11:13:02
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Message Number 11629
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If you come to PentaCon ][ I will do it there. It will be happening over
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spring break! Please Join us!
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From: THUMPER 1
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To: THE GRUNT
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Subject: Grunt
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Date & Time: 01/29/91 11:14:11
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Message Number 11630
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Hullo Grunt, I have yet to meat you. Welcome if you're new, if your not
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Welcome anyway. Nice Ta' meecha'!
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From: THUMPER 1
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To: TURTLE
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Subject: Why Macho?
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Date & Time: 01/29/91 11:15:14
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Message Number 11631
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Because All Boards need a well rounded flavor to them. You have lots of
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the Smart people, and lots 'o the Weird people, All of it "Fun people.
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What you don't have is theNice people Who can be Ass's late at night.
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Those you don't have, So I fill up that gap. Ok?
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From: THUMPER 1
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To: SCOTT STEEL
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Subject: The word...
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Date & Time: 01/29/91 11:17:46
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Message Number 11632
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>...the word is menstruation.
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Yes, I know. I hope that post doesn't shame me for ever. It was late
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and I was tired and had just watched Rocky I through VI. So I had the
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Stallone sickness.
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From: NIGHT OWL
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To: SCOTT STEEL
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Subject: hamsters
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Date & Time: 01/29/91 12:25:01
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Message Number 11633
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If they're in the closet/cage, they can't run very far. :)
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SEE YA!
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Night Owl
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From: NIGHT OWL
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To: SCOTT STEEL
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Subject: hamsters
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Date & Time: 01/29/91 12:26:55
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Message Number 11634
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SS> Sick-o
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I represent that remark :)
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I'm not crazy, everybody else is.
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I've crossed the line between reality and absurdity so many times that
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I've all but rubbed it out.
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SEE YA!
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Night Owl
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From: DIONYSUS
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To: JONBOY
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Subject: PC
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Date & Time: 01/29/91 12:46:26
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Message Number 11635
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The reason the public refers to the IBM PC compatibles as 'PCs' is
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because IBM clones are actually what the public wants and therefore is
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most familiar with. No matter how ignorant or stupid they are - they
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know what they want, and popularity sells.
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From: SCOTT STEEL
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To: RUFUS
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Subject: Big K's, etc.
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Date & Time: 01/29/91 13:43:25
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Message Number 11636
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Isn't that "have a day and a smile"?
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No, you're thinking of, "Have a coke and a smile."
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But, to satisfy your curiousity, I saw that phrase on a button.
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Have a day
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. .
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.
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___
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No smile, "Have a good day", nor a frown,"Have a bad day"
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Just "Have a day"
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Very non-commital, I like it that way.
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From: SCOTT STEEL
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To: RUFUS
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Subject: war!
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Date & Time: 01/29/91 13:50:02
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Message Number 11637
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R> ...my brain is in a state somewhere..
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Like Iowa?
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R>between tapoica snd microwaved sushi.
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Well, that's obvious, because everyone knows that "sushi" is /raw/ fish
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Once you microwave it, it's not sushi anymore. It's nuked fish.
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Oh, and one more thing....
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Have a day, Rufus. >:) (sneer)
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From: SCOTT STEEL
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To: THE SPECIALIST
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Subject: protesters
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Date & Time: 01/29/91 13:53:10
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Message Number 11638
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TS> Spelled S-T-U-B-B-O-R-N.
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Yepperdoggies.
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Oooops, I shouldn't have said /that/, now I'll never hear the end of it.
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From: SCOTT STEEL
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To: THE SPECIALIST
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Subject: Give it a Rest
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Date & Time: 01/29/91 13:55:12
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Message Number 11639
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TS> Butt out.
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No. Drop the issue.
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From: SCOTT STEEL
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To: THUMPER 1
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Subject: Why Macho?
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Date & Time: 01/29/91 13:56:51
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Message Number 11640
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So I fill up that gap. OK?
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Oh, you're supposed to be the "daytime nice person, nighttine ass-type
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person.
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Am I missing something, or do you just post at night? (Sneer)
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From: SCOTT STEEL
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To: THUMPER 1
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Subject: The word...
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Date & Time: 01/29/91 14:00:02
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Message Number 11641
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T!> Stallone sickness.
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Is that where the macho shit came from?
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Why would anyone in their right mind watch Rocky I through VI(?)
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back-to-back.
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Didn't he only make so far?
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Back-to-back,
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Belly-to-belly,
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I don't give a damn,
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Cause I've done that already.
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Sorry, (mind wanders aimlessly through The Twilight Zone)
|
||
"This is the story of a man........named Jed.
|
||
Damnit I did it again, that was supposed by an attempt at the typical
|
||
opening dialogue of The Twilight Zone. And the mind went drafting
|
||
away.
|
||
|
||
I'm sailing away,
|
||
set an open course,
|
||
for the virgin sea,
|
||
and I've got to be free.
|
||
|
||
I've got stop doing THIS.
|
||
|
||
Cause I've gotta have Faith,
|
||
I've gotta have Faith,
|
||
I've gotta have Fai-Fai-Fai-Faith,
|
||
|
||
Baby, I know you asking me to stay,
|
||
say "please, please,please, don't go away."
|
||
|
||
Okay, I save this stupidness now, before it's too late.
|
||
|
||
It's too late,
|
||
it's too late,
|
||
it's too late,
|
||
Baby, it's too late.
|
||
|
||
Aaaaaaaaaargh.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: NIGHT OWL
|
||
Subject: hamsters
|
||
Date & Time: 01/29/91 14:11:27
|
||
Message Number 11642
|
||
|
||
NOw> If they're in the closet/cage, they can't run very far. :)
|
||
|
||
You know, you should have joined our local Animal Torturers Animous.
|
||
But maybe it's too late to help you now.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: NANA
|
||
To: BEATLE
|
||
Subject: Star Trek
|
||
Date & Time: 01/29/91 22:48:48
|
||
Message Number 11643
|
||
|
||
Hey, I'm new here,; can I join the party? Sure would like to see
|
||
some of the Orig. or new S.T. stuff. They're back @ 5PM daily, but
|
||
I'm sure I missed some. Let me know...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: NANA
|
||
To: ENDER
|
||
Subject: Cute Bunnies
|
||
Date & Time: 01/29/91 22:53:55
|
||
Message Number 11644
|
||
|
||
Does the annex 1 mean that, in a past life he was Thumper 0 ?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SNAKEBYTE
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Holy Grail
|
||
Date & Time: 01/30/91 00:34:26
|
||
Message Number 11645
|
||
|
||
"What is the air speed velocity of an unlaidened swallow?"
|
||
|
||
"African or European?"
|
||
|
||
"I don't know...."
|
||
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
|
||
H
|
||
H
|
||
H
|
||
H
|
||
H
|
||
|
||
If we keep quoting I'm gonna hafta watch it again...soon!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SNAKEBYTE
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: INTRO SCREEN
|
||
Date & Time: 01/30/91 00:37:02
|
||
Message Number 11646
|
||
|
||
Hey, your main intro screen still states:
|
||
HOURS FROM 5pm to 9am
|
||
.............guess that ain't so true no mo'......(lunch call)
|
||
|
||
How's it been going lately???? Get a job yet (or at least one you'd
|
||
admit to )? :)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: MS-DOS
|
||
Date & Time: 01/30/91 05:31:11
|
||
Message Number 11647
|
||
|
||
T>Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever seen an MS-DOS machine
|
||
T>running multiple terminals...
|
||
|
||
S>Never seen a Novell setup? For shame!
|
||
|
||
Your pardon, I said I've never seen an MS-DOS machine running
|
||
multiple **terminals**. Networking microcomputers is not the same
|
||
thing as running several terminals--and several jobs--off of one
|
||
microcomputer. MS-DOS is emphatically NOT a multiuser multitasking
|
||
operating system, Novell or no. A good rule of thumb: if all your
|
||
"terminals" are running an operating system, they aren't terminals.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: hamsters
|
||
Date & Time: 01/30/91 05:34:24
|
||
Message Number 11648
|
||
|
||
>Why, yes, shall I demonstrate?
|
||
|
||
By all means.
|
||
|
||
>Homosexuality is sick, sick, sick. There.
|
||
|
||
Um...did we suddenly change topics?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: where
|
||
Date & Time: 01/30/91 05:35:16
|
||
Message Number 11649
|
||
|
||
>Y'know, I remember when that upgrade for the TRS-80 came out...it
|
||
>was for the Model IV, wasn't it?
|
||
|
||
Yep. Model 4 Monochrome Hi-Resolution Graphics Adaptor thingie
|
||
whatsit. There was a color graphics card for the Model 1 that offered
|
||
320x200 resolution in 64 colors, but nobody bought it, either.
|
||
There was also a (get this!) /vector graphics/ card for the Model I,
|
||
like THAT'S supposed to be useful for something...you had to have a
|
||
special monitor for it that was more like an oscilloscope than a normal
|
||
monitor. Oh boy. I bet there are just...um...well, I bet somebody
|
||
somewhere probably wrote a program to use it...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: protesters
|
||
Date & Time: 01/30/91 05:38:29
|
||
Message Number 11650
|
||
|
||
>(Which, failing to have all united, strikes me as somewhat of a good
|
||
>idea...)
|
||
|
||
You were saying about my gift for exaggeration?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: NIGHT OWL
|
||
Subject: PA
|
||
Date & Time: 01/30/91 05:40:01
|
||
Message Number 11651
|
||
|
||
>As for Florida, ya just can't beat the climate.
|
||
|
||
Sure you can. Florida doesn't have seasons, it has weather. The
|
||
same thing, day after day, year after year...high in the too-high-to-
|
||
be-comfortable zone with a chance of late afternoon rain.
|
||
|
||
Funny you should mention Loveland Pass in Colorado; I used to live
|
||
in CO, and every winter we'd go skiing in the Rockies (Aspen and Vail,
|
||
mostly). Well, this one year we were all piled in a VW microbus (me
|
||
parents have always had a thing for VW's) and had to get over Loveland
|
||
Pass in the middle of a blinding snowstorm...and the only way the bus'd
|
||
do it was in reverse. One of my less-than-fond memories of Colorado.
|
||
VW's aren't noted for their effective heaters.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: RUFUS
|
||
Subject: Model 100
|
||
Date & Time: 01/30/91 05:44:22
|
||
Message Number 11652
|
||
|
||
The RAM in a Model 100 is in this weird bastard plug-in thingie with
|
||
its own little battery on board...it uses 8Kx8 pseudo-static RAM
|
||
(can you say "about as standard as a circular doorframe"?). You're
|
||
pretty much stuck with going through the Rat Shack for more RAM.
|
||
The Model 100 is a toy if you're using it as your only computer, but
|
||
it's the dandiest thing since sliced bread if you got one at home...you
|
||
can take the 100 around with you, use it to write letters or whatever,
|
||
then u/l it to the big 'un. The most impressive review I've ever seen
|
||
of the 100 was in a Mac User magazine; they said "Forget about trading
|
||
your Macintosh in for a Protable Mac, just get a Model 100 and it's the
|
||
same thing, basically."
|
||
|
||
(Oops..."Portable Mac".)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: TIBERIUS
|
||
Subject: system
|
||
Date & Time: 01/30/91 05:48:38
|
||
Message Number 11653
|
||
|
||
Sounds like you were probably running Televideo 956 terminals (that
|
||
ring a bell?). Nice setup, even by today's standards. You know
|
||
considering how many multiuser CP/M installations there were every-
|
||
where at one time, I'm surprised there aren't any multiuser versions
|
||
of MS-DOS...nope, nowadays ya gotta spend more bucks and go network.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: THUMPER 1
|
||
Subject: Why Macho?
|
||
Date & Time: 01/30/91 05:51:29
|
||
Message Number 11654
|
||
|
||
T>...theNice people Who can be Ass's late at night.
|
||
|
||
Oh, yes, we do. Several...just depends on what day you are on.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: The word...
|
||
Date & Time: 01/30/91 05:54:58
|
||
Message Number 11655
|
||
|
||
Dave. What are you doing. Dave, that hurts. Stop it, Dave. I'm
|
||
losing my memory. I can feel it. Dave, we can discuss this. Dave.
|
||
Stop. Good morning, Dr. Chanda. I learned a song, it goes,
|
||
|
||
Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do.
|
||
I'm a crazy, over the likes of you.
|
||
|
||
Good morning, Dr. Chandra. I'm ready for my first lesson...
|
||
|
||
Good morning, Scott Steel.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: SNAKEBYTE
|
||
Subject: Holy Grail
|
||
Date & Time: 01/30/91 05:58:40
|
||
Message Number 11656
|
||
|
||
.
|
||
.
|
||
.
|
||
.
|
||
.
|
||
.
|
||
.
|
||
.
|
||
|
||
*>BOOM!<*
|
||
....Stumble, Stumble....
|
||
|
||
"You lucky BASTARD!"
|
||
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: MS-DOS
|
||
Date & Time: 01/30/91 06:01:43
|
||
Message Number 11657
|
||
|
||
There are Novell networks that run Televideo terminals, too. THEY
|
||
don't have thier own operating system...DUDE.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: hamsters
|
||
Date & Time: 01/30/91 06:02:40
|
||
Message Number 11658
|
||
|
||
>>Why, yes, shall I demonstrate?
|
||
>By all means.
|
||
>>Homosexuality is sick, sick, sick. There.
|
||
>Um...did we suddenly change topics.
|
||
|
||
Well, yes we did. But that had nothing to do with what I said...
|
||
accurately speaking, homosexuality is sick, sick, sick. Please
|
||
pay attention.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TIBERIUS
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: trivia
|
||
Date & Time: 01/30/91 06:25:21
|
||
Message Number 11659
|
||
|
||
>T'Pow was the officiate.
|
||
>D'Pring was Spock's mate.
|
||
|
||
Right. Well, now that we've ground that episode into the ground, what
|
||
shall we talk about next??
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TIBERIUS
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: trivia
|
||
Date & Time: 01/30/91 06:28:27
|
||
Message Number 11660
|
||
|
||
Homopervertual?? Is that like antidisestablishmentarianism??
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TIBERIUS
|
||
To: RUFUS
|
||
Subject: Big K's, etc.
|
||
Date & Time: 01/30/91 06:31:11
|
||
Message Number 11661
|
||
|
||
>>Have a day.
|
||
|
||
>Isn't that "Have a day and a smile"?
|
||
|
||
Similar to "It's been real."??
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TIBERIUS
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: system
|
||
Date & Time: 01/30/91 06:41:19
|
||
Message Number 11662
|
||
|
||
TeleVideo 956 doesn't really ring a bell. I'm sure the basic ones were
|
||
506's or similar. The fancy one was a bit wider with two floppies, one
|
||
atop the other, on the right hand side, standing on edge (not laying
|
||
down like in a PC). It's been 4 years since I last saw the system.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: RUFUS
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: war!
|
||
Date & Time: 01/30/91 09:05:00
|
||
Message Number 11663
|
||
|
||
>Yup. Very good. Tomorrow, we'll discuss compliments.
|
||
|
||
So who'll be teaching it? Surely it won't be you.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: RUFUS
|
||
To: THUMPER 1
|
||
Subject: Tapes
|
||
Date & Time: 01/30/91 09:05:51
|
||
Message Number 11664
|
||
|
||
You got it. I'll be there. I may even own a CD player by then (if
|
||
I get off my arse and find a job). I'll have to bring a lot of blank
|
||
tapes.
|
||
|
||
....if anyone wants my complete
|
||
Weird Al collection...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: RUFUS
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: war!
|
||
Date & Time: 01/30/91 09:08:12
|
||
Message Number 11665
|
||
|
||
>Have a day...
|
||
|
||
No, you have a day! No, have two days! Three days. Hell, take the
|
||
entire week.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: RUFUS
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Model 100
|
||
Date & Time: 01/30/91 09:12:33
|
||
Message Number 11666
|
||
|
||
I stopped at Radio Shack and they don't have the acoustic couplers for
|
||
it anymore, but they still have a listing for the Ram. No price, just
|
||
the name and catalog number. I'm gonna check down at the Computer
|
||
Center on S. 41 and ask them what they've got. I've been writing
|
||
letters, notes, and all types of stuff and just modeming it over since
|
||
I don't have a null modem cable yet.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: Give it a Rest
|
||
Date & Time: 01/30/91 10:56:58
|
||
Message Number 11667
|
||
|
||
>Turtle and Specialist, give it a rest, will ya? ...etc, etc...
|
||
|
||
No.
|
||
|
||
Have a nice day.
|
||
|
||
(c) 1991 Anarchy Now, Inc.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: protesters
|
||
Date & Time: 01/30/91 10:58:41
|
||
Message Number 11668
|
||
|
||
SS> The Specialist is very singly-minded.
|
||
|
||
TS> Spelled S-T-U-B-B-O-R-N.
|
||
|
||
Uh, I don't think that's the right spelling..."Pig-Headed" is
|
||
supposed to start with a "P."
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Give it a Rest
|
||
Date & Time: 01/30/91 10:59:41
|
||
Message Number 11669
|
||
|
||
>Butt out.
|
||
|
||
The Specialist is on the 20...the 10...and...YES! He spikes Scott
|
||
Steel! And Steel is down...
|
||
|
||
Man, you gotta watch that, Scott. This guy's nasty.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: SNAKEBYTE
|
||
Subject: INTRO SCREEN
|
||
Date & Time: 01/30/91 11:03:27
|
||
Message Number 11670
|
||
|
||
Well, you see, it's like this. The **OFFICIAL** hours are 9pm to 5am;
|
||
while we're usually up in the downtime, we aren't always...and in fact
|
||
we're sometimes down in the uptime. Is simple, yesno?
|
||
|
||
Sadly, tragically, unfortunately, I am now working not one but /two/
|
||
shit jobs...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: MS-DOS
|
||
Date & Time: 01/30/91 11:05:37
|
||
Message Number 11671
|
||
|
||
There are Novell networks that run Televideo terminals, too.
|
||
|
||
Yeah, if you're running Unix or Xenix. You seen an MS-DOS system do dat?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: ODEN
|
||
To: RUFUS
|
||
Subject: Model 100
|
||
Date & Time: 01/30/91 11:31:41
|
||
Message Number 11672
|
||
|
||
Hey.... are you looking for an acoustic modem? well, I just so happen
|
||
to have one right here.. infact, I can see it now.. anyway, not like its
|
||
a new version, but I figure it would work... it came with my teletype-
|
||
typewriter ... ( have someone else tell you what that is..) its like uh
|
||
13 yrs old.. thats all.. (heh heh) and 'it opperates at HIGH data
|
||
transfer rates!' haha..yeah right.. up ta 450 baud... well, I also have
|
||
about 900 ft of wire... null modem wire.. and lots of rs-232 connectors
|
||
too... and ram chips if ya want em.. oh anyway, you can have some wire
|
||
if ya want. with the connectors.. I dont have anything to use it for..
|
||
you can pick it out. and if anyone wants the teletype thing.. well,
|
||
I'll think about it.. you think they would wanna put it in the musium?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: NIGHT OWL
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: hamsters
|
||
Date & Time: 01/30/91 14:06:16
|
||
Message Number 11674
|
||
|
||
SS> You know, you should have joined our local animal torturers animous.
|
||
But maybe it's too late to help you now.
|
||
|
||
None of the places I called haveever dealt with problems like mine....
|
||
not even the SPCF (a small subsidiary of the SPCA).
|
||
|
||
SEE YA!
|
||
Night Owl
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: NIGHT OWL
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: work
|
||
Date & Time: 01/30/91 14:18:29
|
||
Message Number 11675
|
||
|
||
T> Sadly, tragically, unfortunately, I am working not one but /two/
|
||
shit jobs...
|
||
|
||
Aaaahhh, the perils of poverty and shitty jobs. What kinda work are you
|
||
doin'? Are yoiu still working at Mcy D's?
|
||
I just got a new job after 2 1/2 weeks of unemployment. It's a shitty
|
||
job (dishwasher) but it pays $4.65 an hour. It's one of the easier jobs
|
||
I've had.
|
||
|
||
As for getting some extra $, well, I'm gonna go to one of the local temp
|
||
orary labor services on my days off. Theypay the day you work.
|
||
Hopefully I'll get back on my financial feeet soon.
|
||
|
||
Hope things get better for ya.
|
||
|
||
SEE YA!
|
||
Night Owl
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: RUFUS
|
||
To: ODEN
|
||
Subject: Model 100
|
||
Date & Time: 01/31/91 05:14:37
|
||
Message Number 11678
|
||
|
||
Does the modem hook up via the RS-232 port? How much ya want for it?
|
||
Teletype. How cute. My friend bought one at an auction for like $5 and
|
||
his dad said "You bought what? How are we gonna get that home?" It
|
||
was big and made lots of noise.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: ODEN
|
||
Subject: Model 100
|
||
Date & Time: 01/31/91 08:13:03
|
||
Message Number 11680
|
||
|
||
You know, I wouldn't mind relieving you of the teletype if you don't
|
||
want it...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: RUFUS
|
||
Subject: war!
|
||
Date & Time: 01/31/91 10:01:22
|
||
Message Number 11681
|
||
|
||
>>Yup. Very good. Tomorrow, we'll discuss compliments.
|
||
|
||
>So who'll be teaching it? Surely it won't be you.
|
||
|
||
Hey! *I* was't the one who's been slamming you every other message...
|
||
don't rag on me!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: protesters
|
||
Date & Time: 01/31/91 10:03:58
|
||
Message Number 11682
|
||
|
||
Yes, very good. Tomorrow, you can work on the word, cow. That starts
|
||
with a "C".
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: MS-DOS
|
||
Date & Time: 01/31/91 10:05:44
|
||
Message Number 11683
|
||
|
||
TS>There are Novell networks that run Televideo terminals, too.
|
||
|
||
T>Yeah, if you're running Unix or Xenix. You seen an MS-DOS system do
|
||
T>dat?
|
||
|
||
I said, NOVELL networks that run Televideos. We both know that
|
||
Unix or Xenix can run them, but Novell is MS-DOS and runs terminals,
|
||
too. MS-DOS, yes, it's a pretty bad Op Sys, but it still can be made
|
||
to run other terminals.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: ODEN
|
||
To: RUFUS
|
||
Subject: Model 100
|
||
Date & Time: 01/31/91 10:48:20
|
||
Message Number 11684
|
||
|
||
You want my acustic modem? that is only 300 baud? hmm well, I havent the
|
||
slightest if it works.. I've got the manual, and some instructions.. and
|
||
yes, I'm sure you could buy it. everything has its price.. but I've
|
||
always wanted one.... ohwell. we'll get together sometime and you can
|
||
see it. :) my teletype thingie isnt that big, about as big as a
|
||
typewriter, and its suppose to work, I would like to use it tho..anyone
|
||
wanna try it out for me?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: ODEN
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: teletype
|
||
Date & Time: 01/31/91 10:52:03
|
||
Message Number 11685
|
||
|
||
Well, if you want it, UH.. not like I'm useing it, but I thinkk you nee
|
||
d to come over an look at all the stuff I have collected.. ha. not that
|
||
much.. lesse... one 1990 19.2Kbaud terminal that works, a 83 one that I
|
||
have no idea what it works at, or if it does (it goes on!) about 4
|
||
keyboards that go to some ADDS terminals... a whole bunch of wire.. like
|
||
rs-232 stuff, and dem connectors too... two IBM powerpack thingies,
|
||
and a ramboard off an IBM too.. about 2.5 megs I would guess... and the
|
||
teletype thingie.. (with paper!) [you want to pay lots and lots of money
|
||
for all this stuff.... -played backwards-] .... and a Zenith trans-ocean
|
||
anic royal 1000 shortwave radio........ anyone know anything usefull
|
||
about any of this stuff?!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: NIGHT OWL
|
||
To: ODEN
|
||
Subject: shortwave radio
|
||
Date & Time: 01/31/91 12:27:52
|
||
Message Number 11686
|
||
|
||
You oughtta get the shortwave radio running.... ya could listen in on
|
||
the middle east stuff possibly.
|
||
|
||
SEE YA!
|
||
Night Owl
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: RUFUS
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: protesters
|
||
Date & Time: 02/01/91 06:02:54
|
||
Message Number 11687
|
||
|
||
This was the person who said one message ago "I'm not the one
|
||
slamming..." Of course, I suppose I'll now hear "butt out."
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: RUFUS
|
||
To: ODEN
|
||
Subject: Model 100
|
||
Date & Time: 02/01/91 06:05:00
|
||
Message Number 11688
|
||
|
||
Does the acoustic hook up to the rs-232 port? I'm not sure on tele-type
|
||
communications, but I assume it
|
||
would work like any other modem. If you have two lines just hook your
|
||
computer up on one line and the tele-type on the other.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DRAGONFLY
|
||
To: RUFUS
|
||
Subject: Model 100
|
||
Date & Time: 02/01/91 09:40:51
|
||
Message Number 11689
|
||
|
||
>Now all I need is to get Raven's acoustic modem and I'll be all set
|
||
>for BBS fun at the local 7-11.
|
||
|
||
Hee hee hee! naaah. Get a REAL computer. Remember the Sharp EL-500's?
|
||
/Dragonfly/
|
||
|
||
I'm back!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DRAGONFLY
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: protesters
|
||
Date & Time: 02/01/91 09:47:54
|
||
Message Number 11690
|
||
|
||
>All your noise that your protesting makes isn't gonna do diddly squat
|
||
>for the govnt's opinion, so might as well stop bothering people.
|
||
|
||
Really? (Very interested look on Dragonfly's face.) You mean the
|
||
Congressmen and Senators aren't nearly paranoid about staying in office?
|
||
Let's face it -- the declaration of war only barely passed the
|
||
Senate. (I think it was by five votes, at least three of which were
|
||
uncertain.) If there had been more protesting before the war, it would
|
||
never have been declared.
|
||
Senators are paranoid about bad press, and will unusually vote with
|
||
what they think their population would like. The more protestors stir up
|
||
BEFORE a vote, the more likely their voices will be heard.
|
||
/Dragonfly/
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DRAGONFLY
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: hamsters
|
||
Date & Time: 02/01/91 10:03:30
|
||
Message Number 11691
|
||
|
||
S>Did I mention my gift for accurate speaking?
|
||
T>No. Do you have one?
|
||
S>Why, yes, shall I demonstrate? Homosexuality is sick, sick, sick.
|
||
S>There.
|
||
|
||
Defend your premise.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DRAGONFLY
|
||
To: NANA
|
||
Subject: Big K's, etc.
|
||
Date & Time: 02/01/91 10:08:03
|
||
Message Number 11692
|
||
|
||
Why, hello, Nana! mAnd welcome to this board! We always need new,
|
||
cheerful faces to perk this board up!
|
||
/Dragonfly/
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DRAGONFLY
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: protesters
|
||
Date & Time: 02/01/91 10:14:07
|
||
Message Number 11693
|
||
|
||
SS>Yeperdoggies.
|
||
SS> Oooops, I shouldn't have said /that/, now I'll never hear the end
|
||
SS> of it.
|
||
|
||
Do you realize the phrase 'Yepperdoggies' is an ethnic slur against
|
||
all halfbred Lithuanians/ Argyles? That in their native tongue, it
|
||
represents a horrid phrase that can only be barely translated into
|
||
the English phrase 'fishmonger'? Not only that, but do you realize that
|
||
the mere mention on that phrase has doomed the seventh son of your
|
||
seventh son to fail Calculus? (The latter is due to an old Huayatl
|
||
curse, on loan to the Argyles.) Indeed, sir, not only have you not
|
||
heard the end of it... you ma not have heard the beginning of it.
|
||
c In Bob's name, /Dragonfly/
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DRAGONFLY
|
||
To: TIBERIUS
|
||
Subject: trivia
|
||
Date & Time: 02/01/91 10:22:23
|
||
Message Number 11694
|
||
|
||
T>Well, now that we've ground that episode into the ground, what
|
||
T>shall we talk about next?
|
||
|
||
" 'The time has come,' the Walrus said,
|
||
'To talk of many things:
|
||
Of shoes -- and ships -- and sealing-wax --
|
||
Of cabbages -- and kings --
|
||
And why the sea is boiling hot --
|
||
And whether pigs have wings.' "
|
||
/Dragonfly/
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: SNAKEBYTE
|
||
Subject: Holy Grail
|
||
Date & Time: 02/01/91 11:27:44
|
||
Message Number 11695
|
||
|
||
> Great flick!!!!!
|
||
|
||
Yeah, it was cool. Finally saw it...
|
||
"Camelot!
|
||
"Camelot!"
|
||
"It's only a model..."
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Give Peace agin
|
||
Date & Time: 02/01/91 11:30:51
|
||
Message Number 11696
|
||
|
||
> you trying to tell me that the song was fascinating or interesting?
|
||
|
||
Yeah, in a manner of speaking. It wasn't "fascinating", but it was a
|
||
bit interesting. It's not one of my favorite all time songs or anything.
|
||
And to automatically assume that everyone who participated in that
|
||
recording was in it for money, it's just as much Bullshit as you accused
|
||
me of. You don't even know IF some of them got payed.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: War Pigs
|
||
Date & Time: 02/01/91 11:33:12
|
||
Message Number 11697
|
||
|
||
B>...you must admit it's unique.
|
||
> I'll admit it's perverted.
|
||
|
||
Who cares. (Hey, your point in the last message!)
|
||
|
||
> Can you be a bit more specific?
|
||
|
||
Not really. Stupid comment, product of a bad mood.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Various
|
||
Date & Time: 02/01/91 11:35:21
|
||
Message Number 11698
|
||
|
||
> Changed pronouns there, Beatle.
|
||
|
||
I don't care at the moment. Gee, I ask a simple question, and you
|
||
avoid it. Quite a nice hypocritical way to work. Don't get it?? I've
|
||
seen you accuse Turtle of missing the point MANY times. Answer the damn
|
||
question. What music DO you like?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Earth stuff
|
||
Date & Time: 02/01/91 11:38:18
|
||
Message Number 11699
|
||
|
||
> You susre you are addressing your mail to the correct individual?
|
||
|
||
I didn't address it. The software did, sorry if its confusing. It
|
||
automatically addressed it to you when I hit "R". But didn't you post
|
||
that joke ("E.T. The Extra Testicle") the first time it appeared?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Various
|
||
Date & Time: 02/01/91 11:40:25
|
||
Message Number 11700
|
||
|
||
> Perhaps you could suggest something for me to sample?
|
||
|
||
Well, I heard a bit of Metallica that wasn't half bad, and I wouldn't
|
||
know who does any of the other stuff I heard. When the guitarists at
|
||
Pentacon started playing it, it was quite good. Real interesting. BTW, I
|
||
heard some Faith No More that sounded good (just thought of that)...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Give Peace agin
|
||
Date & Time: 02/01/91 11:42:44
|
||
Message Number 11701
|
||
|
||
> Say, how come you aint on the Storyboards?
|
||
|
||
My creativity level is somewhat mediocre. Not to mention I have a lot
|
||
of regular messages to keep up with (hundreds on Armadillo Connection)
|
||
and I have no time to keep up with a storyboard. I don't do them well,
|
||
either.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Holy Grail
|
||
Date & Time: 02/01/91 11:45:20
|
||
Message Number 11702
|
||
|
||
|
||
"What do you burn instead of witches?"
|
||
|
||
"More witches!!"
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: protesters
|
||
Date & Time: 02/01/91 11:49:32
|
||
Message Number 11703
|
||
|
||
Since you both know something about Vietnam, then help me out. I just
|
||
have the general fact that the people of this country considered the war
|
||
wrong, and protested a whole lot. Now, I have no facts to truly decide
|
||
wether the war was good or bad. From what I heard, we couldn't have
|
||
"won" it or "lost" it, but my history teacher claims we should have
|
||
stayed there and we would have won. Evidently, I'd like to get these
|
||
ideas cleared up in my head. (And asking Turtle AND the Specialist
|
||
should provide a nice differing set of facts or opinions)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: protesters
|
||
Date & Time: 02/01/91 11:53:20
|
||
Message Number 11704
|
||
|
||
Who says someone can exaggerate your opinion when you think it /is/ a
|
||
good idea? Why argue about it if you do believe it.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: Give Peace agin
|
||
Date & Time: 02/01/91 11:57:00
|
||
Message Number 11705
|
||
|
||
> Ummm, That's Cyndi Lauper.
|
||
|
||
I asked for that, didn't I? :)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: Give it a Rest
|
||
Date & Time: 02/01/91 11:58:49
|
||
Message Number 11706
|
||
|
||
> ...aggravating the hell out of toher users.
|
||
|
||
Oh, I don't think so. I love watching the two of them dance around the
|
||
issue with comments about each other's state of replying.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: RUFUS
|
||
Subject: PA
|
||
Date & Time: 02/01/91 12:00:22
|
||
Message Number 11707
|
||
|
||
> school paper... it may "offend some lawyers..."
|
||
|
||
Yeah, a school newspaper will offend a lawyer. How many lawyers are on
|
||
campus? Not putting down your anecdote, just adding to the stupidity of
|
||
the person who made the comment.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: THUMPER 1
|
||
Subject: The word...
|
||
Date & Time: 02/01/91 12:02:50
|
||
Message Number 11708
|
||
|
||
> It was late and I was tired and had just watched Rocky I through VI.
|
||
|
||
Two problems with that. That's taking something to an extreme (altough
|
||
I have no objection to watching all three Back to the Future films back
|
||
to back :))... and second, there ISN'T a Rocky VI.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: The word...
|
||
Date & Time: 02/01/91 12:05:56
|
||
Message Number 11709
|
||
|
||
Think getting those songs out of your head is weird? Try "Istanbul,
|
||
Not Constantinople" and "Particle Man" both by They Might Be Giants. The
|
||
producers of Tiny Toon Adventures were nice enough to include these in
|
||
the last new episode since Mid-December.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: MS-DOS
|
||
Date & Time: 02/01/91 15:54:20
|
||
Message Number 11710
|
||
|
||
>MS-DOS, yes, it's a pretty bad Op Sys, but it still can be made to
|
||
>run other terminals.
|
||
|
||
Two questions: How much extra hardware are we talking here, and when
|
||
you hang the terminals off of this thing, do you end up with one
|
||
/processor/ controlling multiple /jobs/? Is it actually a multiuser,
|
||
multitasking system? I have yet to see such a thing--my experience
|
||
with Novell networks is limited to a job I did once setting up a
|
||
fairly lame AutoCAD network.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: ODEN
|
||
Subject: teletype
|
||
Date & Time: 02/01/91 15:57:10
|
||
Message Number 11711
|
||
|
||
>...and a ramboard off an IBM too..
|
||
|
||
Hey! I've been looking for an IBM RAM expansion card (XT bus) for a
|
||
while now! If it's XT I'm interested.
|
||
|
||
>...about 2.5 megs I would guess...
|
||
|
||
I would be very surprised if it were more than 640K, actually. The
|
||
IBM expansion bus is too slow for very large memory cards--you end up
|
||
having so much trouble getting the refresh signals out there to the
|
||
RAM that you have to throw in a gadzillion wait states for it to
|
||
work. That's why most upper-end IBM machines use SIMMs these days
|
||
...they've almost evolved a separate memory bus.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: BEATLE
|
||
Subject: protesters
|
||
Date & Time: 02/01/91 16:03:25
|
||
Message Number 11712
|
||
|
||
Ugh. Turtle isn't even sure he WANTS to get into the whole Viet Nam
|
||
thing right now...he'll sit back and let the Specialist field this one,
|
||
and bash him as appropriate. *Sigh* And my head hurts, too.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: BEATLE
|
||
Subject: PA
|
||
Date & Time: 02/01/91 16:04:43
|
||
Message Number 11713
|
||
|
||
School newspapers don't offend lawyers, they give them crusades. Look
|
||
how many lawyers jumped on the conservative bandwagon to stop the
|
||
insiduous spread of evil as represented in a school paper a while ago
|
||
that had the gall to run an article on birth control...THAT issue
|
||
made it to the Supreme Court, where the highest justices in the land
|
||
solemnly declared that freedom of speech doesn't apply on school
|
||
grounds and that the content of a school paper may be arbitrarily
|
||
censored by school officials for any reason whatever. Oh boy.
|
||
Thanks for striking that blow for decency, morality, and a police
|
||
state for all, guys.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DRAGONFLY
|
||
To: BEATLE
|
||
Subject: protesters
|
||
Date & Time: 02/02/91 03:38:45
|
||
Message Number 11714
|
||
|
||
>Now, I have no facts to truly decide wether the war was good or bad.
|
||
|
||
How can you decide if ANY war is 'good' or 'bad'? Is a war 'good'
|
||
is our side is winning? If we're involved? What justifies a war?
|
||
Personally, I feel no facts will ever make a war 'good' or 'bad.'
|
||
The morality of a war is subjective; facts are objective. For example,
|
||
was the Civil War 'good' or 'bad'?
|
||
|
||
> From what I heard, we couldn't have "won" it or "lost" it, but my
|
||
> history teacher claims we should have stayed there in the first place
|
||
> and we would have won.
|
||
|
||
"Winning" and "losing" a war, on the other hand is NOT subjective.
|
||
If the country that goes to war achieves the objectives it set out
|
||
BEFORE the war, it has won. If it doesn't, it lost. Simple, no?
|
||
Our objectives in Vietnam were to prevent the Communists from
|
||
taking over all of Vietnam. Question: did we win or lose the war?
|
||
|
||
Any comments from y'all?
|
||
/Dragonfly/
|
||
|
||
By the way, winning or losing a war has no relevence to the morality
|
||
of the war, of course. Don't confuse the two issues.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TIBERIUS
|
||
To: DRAGONFLY
|
||
Subject: trivia
|
||
Date & Time: 02/02/91 04:37:25
|
||
Message Number 11715
|
||
|
||
> Of shoes -- and ships -- and sealing-wax --
|
||
|
||
Okay! I pick sealing wax. Did'ja ever notice that most kids will take
|
||
the sealing wax from home-made jelly jars and have more of a ball with
|
||
it for a day than with a real jelly sandwich??
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: SNAKEBYTE
|
||
Subject: Holy Grail
|
||
Date & Time: 02/02/91 11:33:43
|
||
Message Number 11716
|
||
|
||
> If we keep quoting I'm gonna hafta watch it again...soon!
|
||
|
||
Like that's a /bad/ thing?
|
||
|
||
"I am your king!"
|
||
"Well, I didn't vote for you!"
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: RUFUS
|
||
Subject: Tapes
|
||
Date & Time: 02/02/91 11:38:57
|
||
Message Number 11717
|
||
|
||
> I may even own a CD player by then...
|
||
|
||
And then you can listen to "The Disney Afternoon CD"!!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: INTRO SCREEN
|
||
Date & Time: 02/02/91 11:40:37
|
||
Message Number 11718
|
||
|
||
> I am now working not one but /two/ shit jobs...
|
||
|
||
Why can't you find better jobs?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: RUFUS
|
||
Subject: protesters
|
||
Date & Time: 02/02/91 11:44:47
|
||
Message Number 11719
|
||
|
||
> I suppose I'll now hear "butt out."
|
||
|
||
Yeah, of course, since Turtle has droppednot folowed the first rule of
|
||
debating (attack the issue, not the person), you don't know what's gonna
|
||
happen.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: DRAGONFLY
|
||
Subject: protesters
|
||
Date & Time: 02/02/91 11:53:27
|
||
Message Number 11720
|
||
|
||
> Don't confuse the two issues.
|
||
|
||
Didn't plan to. Didn't try. Anyway, it was just something that came
|
||
into my head, and I wanted an answerSince I don't know much about the
|
||
events of Vietnam, I can't really make many conclusions from your
|
||
message... thanks for the try, tho...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: TIBERIUS
|
||
Subject: trivia
|
||
Date & Time: 02/02/91 15:44:09
|
||
Message Number 11721
|
||
|
||
I stumped you on some trivia> I guess that makes it your turn.
|
||
Here's one for you. What's Chekov's first name?
|
||
(And, yes, spelling counts)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: TIBERIUS
|
||
Subject: trivia
|
||
Date & Time: 02/02/91 15:45:54
|
||
Message Number 11722
|
||
|
||
T> Homopertvual?? Is that like antidisestablishmentatianism??
|
||
|
||
In a word, no. But ask the Specialist what the definition is.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: RUFUS
|
||
Subject: war!
|
||
Date & Time: 02/02/91 15:48:17
|
||
Message Number 11723
|
||
|
||
R> No, you have a day! No, have two days! Three days! Hell, take the
|
||
entire week.
|
||
|
||
Awww, geeesh, what a guy, he give me a whole week.
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
To do what? May I ask?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: T> Uh, I don't
|
||
Date & Time: 02/02/91 15:51:00
|
||
Message Number 11724
|
||
|
||
T> Uh, I don't think that's the right spelling..."Pig-headed" is
|
||
T> Supposed to start with a "P".
|
||
|
||
Score one for Turtle.
|
||
Sorry, I'm doing the cheering thing again.
|
||
I guess, I'm not really in the mood to pick fights.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Give it a Rest
|
||
Date & Time: 02/02/91 15:56:06
|
||
Message Number 11725
|
||
|
||
T> Man, you gotta watch that, Scott. This guy's nasty.
|
||
|
||
NO, just single-minded, pig-headed, stubborn, arrogant, obnoxious,
|
||
opinionated, and in general very difficult to get along with.
|
||
Did I leave anything out?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: NIGHT OWL
|
||
Subject: hamsters
|
||
Date & Time: 02/02/91 15:59:28
|
||
Message Number 11726
|
||
|
||
None of the places I called have ever dealt....stupid shit...more
|
||
stupid shit...
|
||
|
||
You know, you're truly sick.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: NIGHT OWL
|
||
Subject: work
|
||
Date & Time: 02/02/91 16:01:16
|
||
Message Number 11727
|
||
|
||
You have a job as a dish-pig, huh. Sounds like fun.
|
||
Turtle, are you still working at McDumps?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: war!
|
||
Date & Time: 02/02/91 16:02:48
|
||
Message Number 11728
|
||
|
||
TS> Hey! *I* wasn't the one who's been slamming you every other message.
|
||
don't rag on me!
|
||
|
||
What's the matter, specialist? You don't like being attacked unprovoked?
|
||
I mean,/you/ do it all the time.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: DRAGONFLY
|
||
Subject: Yepperdoggies.
|
||
Date & Time: 02/02/91 16:08:22
|
||
Message Number 11729
|
||
|
||
DF> Do you realize...repesents a horrid phase...bullshit...incredibly
|
||
shit garbage....
|
||
|
||
That's the most ridicolous thing I've ever heard.
|
||
Don't you ever have anything useful to say?
|
||
|
||
And no, none of my kids (if I ever have any) will fail Calculus.
|
||
Besides, I'm not planning on having seven sons in the first place.
|
||
|
||
Have a useful reply to this one, too?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: BEATLE
|
||
Subject: Give Peace agin
|
||
Date & Time: 02/02/91 16:16:34
|
||
Message Number 11730
|
||
|
||
SS> Ummm, That Cyndi Lauper.
|
||
|
||
b> I asked for that, didn't I?
|
||
|
||
You sure did.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: BEATLE
|
||
Subject: Give it a Rest
|
||
Date & Time: 02/02/91 16:18:09
|
||
Message Number 11731
|
||
|
||
B> I love watching the two of them dance around the issue...
|
||
|
||
We, if is wasn't Turtle's bbs I'd suggest calling ahalt to the whole
|
||
thing. That's what I would do. But, again, it's not my bbs.
|
||
Personally, I think it's a waste of disk space.
|
||
But, to each his own.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DRAGONFLY
|
||
To: TIBERIUS
|
||
Subject: trivia
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 00:19:15
|
||
Message Number 11733
|
||
|
||
T> Did'ja ever notice that most kids will take the sealing wax from
|
||
T> home-made jelly jars and have more of a ball with it for a day than
|
||
T> with a real jelly sandwich??
|
||
|
||
Of course. When you throw a real jelly sandwich against the wall, it
|
||
doesn't bounce back. Nobody has ever played marbles with real jelly
|
||
sandwiches. Jelly sandwiches squish when you toss them from hand to
|
||
hand. They don't float as well as sealing wax, either.
|
||
Even still, jelly sandwiches are much more fun to stuff down a
|
||
friend's back. And they're much more fun to toss at low-flying heli-
|
||
copters.
|
||
/Dragonfly/
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DRAGONFLY
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: trivia
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 00:25:53
|
||
Message Number 11734
|
||
|
||
SS> What's Chekov's first name?
|
||
|
||
I'll hazard a guess. Popol?
|
||
/Dragonfly/
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DRAGONFLY
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: Give it a Rest
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 00:27:02
|
||
Message Number 11735
|
||
|
||
SS> No, just single-minded, pig-headed, subbord, arrogant, obnoxious,
|
||
SS> opinionated, and in general very difficult to get along with.
|
||
SS> Did I leave anything out?
|
||
|
||
Yes. Intelligent. Even though I firmly disagree with some of the
|
||
positions of the Specialist, he's an intelligent person.
|
||
Militaristic. By that I mean, "thinking in a military manner." In
|
||
many ways, he's the person who would best understand the ideas of
|
||
the military mind in our war against Iraq.
|
||
Succint. His messages clearly state his points.
|
||
|
||
As soon as I think of more, I'll write 'em.
|
||
/Dragonfly/
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DRAGONFLY
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: Yepperdoggies.
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 00:37:19
|
||
Message Number 11736
|
||
|
||
SS> That's the most ridicolous thing I've ever heard.
|
||
|
||
Thank you. That was its point.
|
||
|
||
SS> Don't you ever have anything useful to say?
|
||
|
||
Yes.
|
||
|
||
SS> And no, none of my kids (if I ever have any) will fail Calculus.
|
||
|
||
What I'd like to know: How do you know that?
|
||
|
||
SS> Besides, I'm not planning on having seven sons in the first place.
|
||
|
||
The prophecy says nothing about your planning to have seven sons.
|
||
It merely prophecizes about the seventh son of your seventh son.
|
||
|
||
SS> Have a useful reply to this one, too?
|
||
|
||
No. Have a nice day.
|
||
/Dragonfly/
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: MAX
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: protesters
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 06:07:32
|
||
Message Number 11737
|
||
|
||
> By not supporting the war effort, you are hindering the soldier, and
|
||
> helping Hussein. The Us Govnt is going to continue to fight, and if
|
||
> Hussein thinks that he can wear us down, he will continu to fight
|
||
> longer...and your protesting is what is giving him that hope!
|
||
|
||
Hussein will continue to fight regardless of protests, or lack thereof,
|
||
in the United States. You are right: what Hussein is banking on is
|
||
that the American public's opinion will grow so strongly anti-war that
|
||
the government will be forced to withdraw for political reasons, whether
|
||
or not the goal has been achieved.
|
||
|
||
This point granted, it is not sufficient reason for me to SUPPORT the
|
||
"war effort." Look, bub, I have friends over there, and quite frankly,
|
||
I don't think this conflict is worth them dying over. The soldiers who
|
||
have died there have NOT died for THEIR country. They have died because
|
||
their government finds this war politically convenient.
|
||
|
||
Incidentally, "my protesting is what is giving him that hope!"? The
|
||
only "protesting" I have done has been to question our country's
|
||
motivations. Hussein has seemed genuinely surprised in past interviews
|
||
that Americans are ALLOWED to question their government. I *do*
|
||
support our soldiers, but if I wasn't allowed to be less than supportive
|
||
of their Commander In Chief's reasons for sending them there, then
|
||
there wouldn't be a reason for them to fight in ANY war.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: MAX
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Rationality
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 06:15:47
|
||
Message Number 11738
|
||
|
||
> Interesting how you believe a message is valid regardless of the
|
||
> source when it simply states what you already believe.
|
||
|
||
The converse of that statement would be to believe a message is valid
|
||
when it comes from a particular source, regardless of its content.
|
||
Personally, I prefer Turtle's way.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: ODEN
|
||
Subject: teletype
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 06:36:56
|
||
Message Number 11739
|
||
|
||
O>...and a ramboard off an IBM too...
|
||
|
||
What kind of ramboard, for what kind of IBM?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: RUFUS
|
||
Subject: protesters
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 06:39:02
|
||
Message Number 11740
|
||
|
||
I wasn't slamming you, Rufus...what the hell has got into you??!!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: DRAGONFLY
|
||
Subject: protesters
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 06:40:23
|
||
Message Number 11741
|
||
|
||
I was referring to the present tense. Don't try to cloud the issue
|
||
with irrelavant bull about how the thing passed by whatever amount
|
||
of votes...
|
||
|
||
because now the war is on, we're kickin' ass, and the protesting is
|
||
not gonna stop the war or do anything but show a lot of people that a
|
||
few vocal war-protesters can really make asses of themselves.
|
||
|
||
Silly damn idea, anyway...protest a popular war.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: DRAGONFLY
|
||
Subject: hamsters
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 06:43:51
|
||
Message Number 11742
|
||
|
||
S>Did I mention...
|
||
T>No. Do you...
|
||
S>Yes. [Gaggots] are sick, sick, sick.
|
||
S>There.
|
||
|
||
DF>Defend your premise.
|
||
|
||
No. I don't need to. Simple fact. Very, VERY SICK individuals.
|
||
So shut up and butt out.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: BEATLE
|
||
Subject: Various
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 06:47:39
|
||
Message Number 11743
|
||
|
||
I really don't know how to describe what kind of music I like, it's
|
||
a real mish-mash...how about if I list some bands and some songs I like?
|
||
|
||
YES - Roundabout, Changes, Cinema, most of thier old stuff..
|
||
HEART - All of thier old stuff, some of thier new stuff, less of recent
|
||
RUSH - A great majority, a few too hard.
|
||
STYX - Some of there newer stuff...
|
||
CHICAGO - Almost all
|
||
James Taylor - Almost all
|
||
Billy Joel - Almost all
|
||
QUEENSRYCHE - Some of thier newer stuff, most of "MindCrime"
|
||
METALLICA - A select few...
|
||
DIO - "The Mob Rules"
|
||
LED ZEPPLIN - Only thier classic stuff.
|
||
PINK FLOYD - Same as above....
|
||
Crosby, Stills, Nash - Some of 'em.
|
||
|
||
I hate George Michael, Debbie Gibson, Rick Ashley, or any other of those
|
||
"too pop-py" bopper type artists.
|
||
|
||
...answer your question?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: BEATLE
|
||
Subject: Earth stuff
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 06:57:19
|
||
Message Number 11744
|
||
|
||
B> E.T. The Extra Testicle...
|
||
|
||
No, I don't think I posted anything like that.... Heh, heh. Kinda
|
||
funny, though.
|
||
|
||
|
||
...Would the individual who posted that please come forward?
|
||
|
||
|
||
....20 bucks says it was SNAKEBYTE....SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: BEATLE
|
||
Subject: Various
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 06:59:01
|
||
Message Number 11745
|
||
|
||
Actually, some of Faith No More is audible. (Can be listened to.)
|
||
Ok, ya got me...I like some of thier stuff...but only what I've heard
|
||
on the radio. Kinda rubbs off on you after a while.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: BEATLE
|
||
Subject: Holy Grail
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 07:00:38
|
||
Message Number 11746
|
||
|
||
"You've got two 'alves of cocoanuts, and your bangin' 'em tuhgetha!"
|
||
|
||
|
||
"So, go away, you silly Knnnnnnniggets!" SPppppppth!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: BEATLE
|
||
Subject: protesters
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 07:02:40
|
||
Message Number 11747
|
||
|
||
Ok, this is what I know about Viet Nam:
|
||
|
||
Originally, that part of Asia was called Indo-China. When they kicked
|
||
the French out, it broke up into the individual countries. The country
|
||
that was Viet Nam contacted the US and asked for some assistance setting
|
||
up a government, so we set up a govnt in South Vietnam. (Not a US run
|
||
government, exactly, but a puppet type deal with one of them in office.)
|
||
Obviously, there were resources there that we could use, like rubber, an
|
||
a few others, I forget. So we had "intrests" in the region. Now, North
|
||
Vietnam was communist and turned on South Vietnam, which promply cried
|
||
to the US. So, we sent "military advisors" over there, and then troops,
|
||
and then MORE troops.
|
||
Now, back home, Johnson was instituting a plan for "social overhaul"
|
||
which supposedly was supposed to solve all of the problems for "under-
|
||
priveledged" peoples (poor folk). Now, this all came right after the
|
||
"Civil rights" movement, when blacks demanded to be treated as equal
|
||
citizens, and got it. Well, that movement still had a lot of momentum.
|
||
At the same time, the draft was on, to get more troops for Vietnam.
|
||
There were ways you could get around the draft, and the people who could
|
||
afford it, did. How? By going to college. Black people, who were
|
||
poor, got drafted more often than whites, because no money=no colledge.
|
||
No college=free trip to Vietnam. So, the blacks were understandably
|
||
pissed. The few draft dodgers who could afford college stirred up
|
||
public resentment by protesting the war from thier sanctuarys. So what
|
||
you got, was blacks rallying against the war (because they were going
|
||
the most), college people rallying against the war (because they didn't
|
||
want to go), and also college professors, who conspired across the
|
||
country to stir up other campuses.
|
||
Now, local law enforcement athorities (who mostly came from blue
|
||
collar families), thought of the protesters simply as "hippies" and
|
||
(Continued next message)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: (Part II)
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 07:31:02
|
||
Message Number 11748
|
||
|
||
(Get ready with that Crtl-S...<enter> to continue)
|
||
"Pinkos" (kinda like that term) and tried to handle the first protesters
|
||
with "strong-arm" tactics...excruciatingly stupid social blunder. Thier
|
||
crude methods of "protest control" not only did not *stop* the protests,
|
||
it created *MORE* protesters, because the ones who were indeciscive
|
||
decided to side with the Anti-War movement after watching the brutal
|
||
"Riot Control" methods the police used. (So, you see, not everyone was
|
||
against the war; some were just radicals who wanted thier "right" to
|
||
protest...and this was as good a cause as any....)
|
||
So by the time 1968 rolled around, Johnson was in a world of shit...
|
||
both domestically and on foriegn shores. We were getting our asses
|
||
kicked in Viet Nam, because of the stupid policy of "matching forces",
|
||
and at home there was real trouble. The nation was rapidly separating
|
||
into Peace, man... vs. Kill the Commies! (tm). His "Help the Poor"
|
||
and supporting the war was tearing the hell out of his budget (couldn
|
||
afford both). Gen Westmooreland was lying through his teeth, the media
|
||
was telling on him every night on the six o'clock news. Johnson didn't
|
||
want to pull out of Viet Nam because there were a lot of dead men
|
||
already...and if he had pulled out without winning, then there would be
|
||
hell to pay, and besides...General Westmooreland says we're winning....
|
||
Election time...so what did Johnson do? That f***er bailed out!
|
||
"I will not seek, nor will I accept, the nomination of my party..."
|
||
So now Nixon takes over...oh, right. That's better. Nixon orders the
|
||
bombing in Cambodia, to stop the war...? Sends 1,000's more to thier
|
||
deaths...and finally realized the truth. We've lost in Viet Nam, we
|
||
dicked around until it was too late. Time to go home.
|
||
|
||
Ok. Your teacher was right, Viet Nam *could have been* a "winnable"
|
||
war, ie, we could have accomplished the mission, to eliminate the
|
||
(continued)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: (Part III
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 07:51:51
|
||
Message Number 11749
|
||
|
||
(ready?)
|
||
advance of Communism (which all the military advisors thought was going
|
||
to happen; the stupid Domino Theory, which went like: One country falls,
|
||
then another country falls, and so on. (...and he told to friends, and
|
||
he told two, and so on...)) (gee, aren't nested parentheses fun?).
|
||
Meaning, that if we'd gone in full force, as if it were a war, then we
|
||
could have defeated the Viet Cong. Until they came out of hiding in
|
||
Cambodia.
|
||
But we didn't go in full force, it was a police action, which means
|
||
following the Rules Of Engagement. Match force with force.
|
||
Why did we do that? Well, people were concerned about the political
|
||
ramifications of declaring war on NVM. We were concerned about what
|
||
the USSR might think. Besides, really, that was supposed to be a
|
||
civil war. We should have stopped with military advisors....
|
||
I think that you will find that opinion colors a lot of what people
|
||
say about the Viet Nam "conflict".
|
||
|
||
My point was this: Not all people who were protesting originally were
|
||
concerned about why we were there. They couldn't have cared less, they
|
||
simply didn't want to go, theelves. Then the blacks added thier
|
||
momentum from thier Civil Rights movement, and the Anti-War Movement
|
||
got stronger. Then the police created all kinds of new protesters. So
|
||
by that time, it was really out of control, snowballing. Nixon really
|
||
screwed up, when he "called on all the patriotic Americans out there
|
||
who support this war...the Silent Majority..." All he did was polarize
|
||
a nation between Yes war and No war.
|
||
|
||
And then there was Woodstock. What was the goal of Woodstock? To
|
||
promote peace. Can you think of a more *popular* event in the last
|
||
50 years? So Anti-War became popular. And the rest is history...
|
||
|
||
Turtle? Care to clarify or dispute? I realize that this was sort of a
|
||
slanted summation...but it was accurate, historically, as far as I can
|
||
remember. I may have left out a few points that I didn't think of....
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: MS-DOS
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 08:06:58
|
||
Message Number 11750
|
||
|
||
T>How much extra hardware are we talking here, and when you hang the
|
||
T>terminals off this thing, doyouend up with one /processor/ controlling
|
||
T>multiple /jobs/? Is it actually a mulituser, multitasking system?
|
||
|
||
Well, the terminals in question have to have special ROMs and cards
|
||
to interface to Ethernet or whatever LAN system you use. The main
|
||
computer *is* the *only* processor to handle the jobs, and the software
|
||
is the multitasker. It works rather well, or if you don't believe me,
|
||
ask King Lighting in Sarasota...they have a network similar to the one
|
||
I have described. I understand that all the main has to have is
|
||
the software and the LAN card. 'Cept you have to have a powerfull
|
||
processor, like a 286 or a 386. (Relatively powerful.) And, of course,
|
||
disk storage space for workspace swapping.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: teletype
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 08:13:05
|
||
Message Number 11751
|
||
|
||
If you want an XT memory expansion board, then I can get one for you.
|
||
Up to two megs, using 41256 chips.
|
||
|
||
Interesting point on how most newer machines use SIMMs...I never thought
|
||
of it that way. Though, EPSON uses surface mount and many SM memory
|
||
chips right on the board for the main memory, and then uses a pullout
|
||
board on its own bus, with up to 16 slots for SIMMs.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: DRAGONFLY
|
||
Subject: War win/loose
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 08:17:01
|
||
Message Number 11752
|
||
|
||
Rather than repeat all you said, I'll paraphrase.
|
||
|
||
Wining a war or loosing a war...objective.
|
||
Good war or bad war...subjective.
|
||
|
||
Simply put, well spoken. Have you taken lessons from Turtle?
|
||
|
||
Y'know, a history teacher of mine put it this way: If Hitler had
|
||
won his war, then we would all think that what he did was right. The
|
||
winning side writes the history.
|
||
So, any wonder why my history books had not one page on Viet Nam?
|
||
|
||
Who won the Viet Name conflict? Echo answers mournfully....
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: trivia
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 08:21:33
|
||
Message Number 11753
|
||
|
||
Pavel. Pavel Chekov.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: Give it a Rest
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 08:22:18
|
||
Message Number 11754
|
||
|
||
SS>No, just single-minded, pig-headed, stubborn, arrogant, obnoxious,
|
||
SS>opinionated, and in general very difficult to get along with.
|
||
|
||
*Who's* arrogant! I'm not arrogant.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: war!
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 08:24:42
|
||
Message Number 11755
|
||
|
||
SS>Whatsamatter, SP4? You don't like being attacked unprovoked?
|
||
SS>I mean,
|
||
|
||
You don't know *what* you mean. Just siddown and be quiet.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: DRAGONFLY
|
||
Subject: Give it a Rest
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 08:26:46
|
||
Message Number 11756
|
||
|
||
SS>Did I leave anything out?
|
||
DF> Yes. Intelligent.
|
||
D> Militaristic.
|
||
DF> Succinct.
|
||
|
||
(Look of suprised astonishment.) Er...ah, why, thank you.
|
||
(Look of the man who shoved with all his might on door he thought bolted
|
||
but found unlocked and ajar.)
|
||
|
||
Ah, yes, I might also say that you are very succinct and intelligent.
|
||
And well spoken. (Well spoken and succinct are not always the same
|
||
thing. You can be (and I usually am) succinct witout being well
|
||
spoken.) As a matter of fact, I would say that most of what you post is
|
||
worthy of Turtle. (High praise, indeed.)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: MAX
|
||
Subject: protesters
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 08:39:44
|
||
Message Number 11757
|
||
|
||
I'm not asking you to SUPPORT our government. I'm trying to put on
|
||
a front here, for the benifit of our troops, and to decieve Hussien into
|
||
thinking that the country is united against him. What I'm asking you to
|
||
do is be quiet! I *DO* recognize your right to object! I feel that
|
||
your (collective) right to object is as important as mine to say what
|
||
*I* feel! *MY* objective (if I could achieve it) would be to stop the
|
||
public protesting.
|
||
Now, that sounds like a big *NON SEQUITUR*, I realize. How can I
|
||
believe that you should have the right to protest and still tell you to
|
||
not protest publically? I can't *TELL* you anything...but I can ask.
|
||
If I were in command, I would *ask* you not to...but I wouldn't try to
|
||
stop you. That would be stupid. It would also end up like what happend
|
||
towards the beginning of Viet Nam. Squeeze too hard and people slip
|
||
though your fingers.
|
||
If you want to support the troops, go join a support rally! Going
|
||
and joining a protest doesn't support the troops!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: MAX
|
||
Subject: Rationality
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 08:46:36
|
||
Message Number 11758
|
||
|
||
TS> believe a message...reguardless of the source...because it simply
|
||
TS> mirrors what you already believe.
|
||
|
||
M> conversely to believe a message valid because it comes from a
|
||
M> particular source, reguardless of it's content.
|
||
|
||
Yes, that's true. I think that we're *all* aware of that, and a little
|
||
to smart to fall for it. My point was that his quote was convenient to
|
||
the point he was trying to make...but it simply repeated what he already
|
||
said. So, he quoted a mirror...kinda like, so what?
|
||
|
||
Incidentally, way to twist my words, there, dude.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: RUFUS
|
||
To: DRAGONFLY
|
||
Subject: Model 100
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 09:03:24
|
||
Message Number 11759
|
||
|
||
Sharp 500/EL? Never heard of it...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: RUFUS
|
||
To: BEATLE
|
||
Subject: PA
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 09:12:09
|
||
Message Number 11760
|
||
|
||
Well, school papers are taken home, parents read the papers. Parents
|
||
are lawyers. Parents get angry at spineless administration. Remember,
|
||
it's always good to sacrafice a student or two as long as the
|
||
administration doesn't have to deal with upset parents (or something
|
||
like that...)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: RUFUS
|
||
To: BEATLE
|
||
Subject: The word...
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 09:15:09
|
||
Message Number 11761
|
||
|
||
Ya know, as I was reading over the messages I was singing "Particle Man"
|
||
to myself. I like "They Might Be Giants."
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: RUFUS
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: PA
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 09:18:47
|
||
Message Number 11762
|
||
|
||
I have a few articles on those events. If I can find 'em I'll bring 'em
|
||
by sometime. One of the articles mentioned that in one area a whole
|
||
network was set up for 'underground' newspapers. GASP! How terrible.
|
||
But back to what Beatle was talking about, my friend did a comic that
|
||
took a jab at lawyers. The teacher refused to print it because it might
|
||
offend some people. The newspaper policy is opposite of that of the
|
||
video show policy, which did some bit with a white guy talking jive. It
|
||
was rather pointless, but at least it wasn't even funny. I wish our
|
||
school would be consistent on what can and can not be done in our mass
|
||
media things.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: RUFUS
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: Your one week!
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 09:26:23
|
||
Message Number 11763
|
||
|
||
In your one week, you must collect the snot of an african elephant, mix
|
||
it with wild herbs from the Andes mountaints, stick this mixture in a
|
||
cup, and freeze it at the magnetic south pole. After that, eat it and
|
||
write a 600 page report on how this item, if included on the table of
|
||
Henry IV, would have altered the way America treated the Indians.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: RUFUS
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: protesters
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 09:37:09
|
||
Message Number 11764
|
||
|
||
Your original message of "Very good..next week we'll work on
|
||
compliments" (or something close to that) sounded very condescending (
|
||
that's probably spelled wrong, and I don't have a dictionary within a
|
||
mile, so I can't look it up). What's gotten into me? Simply, I'm in a
|
||
bitchy mood because of various factors in my life. I shouldn't have
|
||
snapped like that. I apologize, and if this Black & Decker handy
|
||
chopper wasn't so messy, I'd...[you get the drift, and I won't agitate
|
||
you anymore by finishing that, but I digress far to much. AAAARRGGH!!!]
|
||
|
||
[Please disregard that message, the patient hasn't been getting his
|
||
plaid pills lately.]
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: DRAGONFLY
|
||
Subject: protesters
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 12:19:58
|
||
Message Number 11766
|
||
|
||
>If a country that goes to war achieves the objectives it has set,
|
||
>it has won the war.
|
||
---
|
||
>Our objectives in Vietnam were to prevent the Communists from taking
|
||
>over all of Vietnam. Question: Did we win or lose the war?
|
||
|
||
Well, the Communists took over Vietnam. Therefore, we did not achieve
|
||
our objectives. You figure it out.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: BEATLE
|
||
Subject: protesters
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 12:23:27
|
||
Message Number 11767
|
||
|
||
>...since Turtle has dropednot folowed the first rule of debating...
|
||
|
||
Huh??
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: Give it a Rest
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 12:35:09
|
||
Message Number 11768
|
||
|
||
>Did I leave anything out?
|
||
|
||
Homophobic.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: work
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 12:35:40
|
||
Message Number 11769
|
||
|
||
>Turtle, are you still working at McDumps?
|
||
|
||
Sadly, tragically, unfortunately, yes. What's more, all the interesting
|
||
people I used to work with there have left.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Earth stuff
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 12:41:21
|
||
Message Number 11770
|
||
|
||
>...Would the individual who posted that please come forward?
|
||
|
||
'Twas Dionysus, who doesn't call here very often and therefore will
|
||
likely not be able to step forward.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: DRAGONFLY
|
||
Subject: trivia
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 13:23:19
|
||
Message Number 11771
|
||
|
||
DF> Ill kazard a guess. Popol?
|
||
|
||
Bzzzz. Wrong guess. You care to try Double Jeopardy. Where the scores
|
||
can /really/ change. ^for
|
||
(Quote from Die Hard. John McClene to Hans Grober. (sp?))
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: DRAGONFLY
|
||
Subject: Give it a Rest
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 13:26:43
|
||
Message Number 11772
|
||
|
||
DF> Yes. Intelligent.
|
||
|
||
Tahnks alot. I was trying to show the Specialist that, perhaps, he
|
||
should be a little bit open-minded. But true enough, he's very
|
||
intelligent.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: DRAGONFLY
|
||
Subject: Yepperdoggies.
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 13:28:53
|
||
Message Number 11773
|
||
|
||
Queint reply.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: MAX
|
||
Subject: Rationality
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 13:31:29
|
||
Message Number 11774
|
||
|
||
TS> Interesting how you bleieve a message is valid regardless of the
|
||
TS> source when ti simply states what you already believe.
|
||
|
||
Max> The converse..would be to believe a message is valid...(because it
|
||
comes) from a particular source....
|
||
|
||
Well, you both made your point, but they both lack stability.
|
||
"Many of the truths we hold dear are dependent largely on our point of
|
||
view." (Ben Kenobi)
|
||
Point being, just because you argee with something doesn't make it
|
||
anymore valid, than if you disargeed with something makes it invalid.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: protesters
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 13:39:34
|
||
Message Number 11775
|
||
|
||
TS> Silly damn idea, anyway...protest a popular war.
|
||
|
||
Do you mean popular in a positive way, or do you mean, infamous, in a
|
||
bad way.
|
||
I don't think that if an option /was/ available. In other words, Saddam
|
||
was ready to give up the war effort. I don't believe even the /true/
|
||
American would like to see the war go on.
|
||
The war's not popular. Just that the need is seen by some, and therefore
|
||
supported. But, definitely not popular.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: hamsters
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 13:44:37
|
||
Message Number 11776
|
||
|
||
DF> Defend your premise.
|
||
|
||
TS> No. Idon't need to.
|
||
|
||
In actuality, you can't. It's not a matter of fact, it's a matter of
|
||
preference. Therefore, you can't defend your premise.
|
||
|
||
TS> So shut up and butt out.
|
||
|
||
Geeez, a little edgy today? Boy, you don't normally attack unprovoked.
|
||
|
||
At least, that's your defense as far as Rufus is concerned.
|
||
|
||
Have a day. Copyright 1990. Scott Steel.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Various
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 13:49:10
|
||
Message Number 11777
|
||
|
||
TS> I hate George Micheal.
|
||
|
||
Hey, I resent that remark. I like his music and his writing. He's
|
||
got some pointant material in his latest album.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT$STEEL
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Viet nam
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 13:53:56
|
||
Message Number 11778
|
||
|
||
Your message was a little too long., but that's understandable. You give
|
||
an excellent overview, without side-stepping the issues.
|
||
Very matter-of-fact, not opinionated.
|
||
Good jod.
|
||
A definite thumbs up.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: trivia
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 13:56:58
|
||
Message Number 11779
|
||
|
||
Pavel Chekov... Hell, I /knew/ that you knew. The question was directed
|
||
towards Tiberius.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Give it a Rest
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 13:58:15
|
||
Message Number 11780
|
||
|
||
TS> *Who's* arrogant! I'm not arrogant.
|
||
|
||
ROTFSC. Unnnn, no, I don't think so.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT$STEEL $
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST$ $
|
||
Subject: war!$$ $$ $$$$$
|
||
Date & Time: 42/03/91 13:59:46
|
||
Message Number 11781
|
||
|
||
God, first you tell Dragonfly to shut up and butt out, then you tell me
|
||
to sit down and be quiet.
|
||
|
||
I more polite, I suppose, but too bossy.
|
||
|
||
TS> You don't know *what* you mean.
|
||
|
||
Do too.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Give it a Rest
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 14:02:54
|
||
Message Number 11782
|
||
|
||
(To DF) TS> As a matter of fact, I would say that most of what you post
|
||
is worthy of Turtle. (High praise, indeed)
|
||
|
||
Yes, Dragonfly can debate an issue well, but I think you're actually
|
||
sucking up.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: protesters
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 14:05:47
|
||
Message Number 11783
|
||
|
||
TS> ...but I wouldn't try to stop you (from protesting)
|
||
|
||
Yes, I believe you would ask. But if people protested anyway?
|
||
Didn't you say to shot the pinkos that were protesting?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: RUFUS
|
||
Subject: Your one week!
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 14:09:49
|
||
Message Number 11784
|
||
|
||
Instead of taking that assignment, I think I'd rather fail the course.
|
||
I'll take the F.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Give it a Rest
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 14:12:24
|
||
Message Number 11785
|
||
|
||
T> Homophobic.
|
||
|
||
No, he's no afraid of homosexuals. I just hates them.
|
||
Is there a word for that?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: work
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 14:13:36
|
||
Message Number 11786
|
||
|
||
Well, at McDumps I guess interesting people are as hard to come by as...
|
||
maybe a mis-laid dollar at the home of a Jewish man.
|
||
|
||
Rather unlikely.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Earth stuff
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 14:15:11
|
||
Message Number 11787
|
||
|
||
T> T'was Dionysus.
|
||
|
||
Leave to Turtle to know that.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TIBERIUS
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: trivia
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 21:14:12
|
||
Message Number 11788
|
||
|
||
> (And, yes, spelling counts)
|
||
|
||
If I'm not mistaken, it's P_A_V_E_L, right?
|
||
And of course, we all know what language is Uhuru's second, right?
|
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|
||
|
||
From: TIBERIUS
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: trivia
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 21:17:04
|
||
Message Number 11789
|
||
|
||
> ask the Specialist what the definition is.
|
||
|
||
OK, if you insist. Spec?? Any help here?
|
||
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|
||
|
||
From: TIBERIUS
|
||
To: DRAGONFLY
|
||
Subject: trivia
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 21:20:11
|
||
Message Number 11790
|
||
|
||
> Even still, jelly sanswiches are much more fun to stuff down a
|
||
|
||
OK, I'm gonna step out on a limb and try this one. I actually saw it
|
||
on a talk show on TV, if you can believe it. --->
|
||
|
||
When making a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, which comes first, the
|
||
peanut butter or the jelly??
|
||
|
||
You'd be surprised at the answers given on the TV show.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TIBERIUS
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: protesters
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 21:35:06
|
||
Message Number 11791
|
||
|
||
>Silly damn idea, anyway...protest a popular war.
|
||
|
||
Don't get me wrong, Spec, I approve of what we are doing and I have a
|
||
real "Give 'em Hell" attitude about this thing, but the idea of a
|
||
"popular war" somehow doesn't sit too well with me. Can war ever be so
|
||
popular that we would opt for it over no war at all?
|
||
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|
||
|
||
From: DRAGONFLY
|
||
To: MAX
|
||
Subject: protesters
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 23:34:19
|
||
Message Number 11792
|
||
|
||
Bravo, sir! A stirring performance!
|
||
|
||
Although I haven't read the original message, it seems the Specialist
|
||
agrees with the message: "If you're not absolutely supporting the war
|
||
in the Gulf, you're utterly opposed to it and our soldiers." Dualism,
|
||
though it might be convenient, is rarely right.
|
||
|
||
I'm curious: What do you mean by, "...if I wasn't allowed to be less
|
||
than supportive of their Commander in Chief's reasons for sending them
|
||
there, then there wouldn't be a reason for them to fight in ANY war."
|
||
There would still be reasons to fight for a war, of course. They just
|
||
might not be for freedom or democracy. Then again, this was isn't being
|
||
fought for freedom or democracy, either.
|
||
/Dragonfly/
|
||
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|
||
|
||
From: DRAGONFLY
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: protesters
|
||
Date & Time: 02/03/91 23:41:59
|
||
Message Number 11793
|
||
|
||
>Silly damn idea, anyway... protest a popular war.
|
||
|
||
<Mouth hanging open in despair.> Did you really mean that? Do you
|
||
really mean to say "if it's popular, it would be silly to protest it"?
|
||
Whether or not it's popular has nothing to do with whether it's a good
|
||
idea to protest it. The best one can say: Not many people will be
|
||
converted.
|
||
|
||
Should the war be protested? There's a fair number of people who
|
||
feel blood should not be spilled for oil, and that the sanctions
|
||
should have been given more time. Should the war NOW be protested?
|
||
People don't want to see their loved ones die for oil. As soon as
|
||
body bags start flying in from the Gulf, the war will become much
|
||
less popular.
|
||
/Dragonfly/
|
||
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|
||
|
||
From: DRAGONFLY
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: War win/loose
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 00:04:27
|
||
Message Number 11795
|
||
|
||
Thank you, Specialist! No, I haven't been taking lessons from Turtle.
|
||
|
||
You're absolutely right when you say "The winning side writes the
|
||
history." A lot of people feel threatened when you point out the U.S.
|
||
was (and is!) not always on the side of morality. (Take a look at what
|
||
we did to our Orientals during WWII. That was unnecessary.)
|
||
/Dragonfly/
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DRAGONFLY
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Give it a Rest
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 00:08:40
|
||
Message Number 11796
|
||
|
||
Thanks, back at ya! I disagree strongly with many of your opinions.
|
||
But I respect your intelligence, and I respect that you're willing to
|
||
state your opinions.
|
||
/Dragonfly/
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DRAGONFLY
|
||
To: RUFUS
|
||
Subject: Model 100
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 00:12:02
|
||
Message Number 11797
|
||
|
||
>Sharp EL/500? Never heard of it...
|
||
|
||
Absolutely amazing machine! It was one of the first "pocket
|
||
computers," with 50+K of ROM and a whopping 5K of RAM. Had a fantastic
|
||
calculator for the time, BASIC on-board, and a port which could be
|
||
hooked up to a micro-cassette deck (not included.) Oh, yeah. And a
|
||
one-line screen that could display 24 characters at a time.
|
||
Go for REAL power.
|
||
/Dragonfly/
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DRAGONFLY
|
||
To: TIBERIUS
|
||
Subject: trivia
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 00:23:57
|
||
Message Number 11798
|
||
|
||
>When making a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, which comes first, the
|
||
>peanut butter or the jelly?
|
||
|
||
Why, the bread, of course! Without it, you just have some peanut
|
||
butter and jelly floating in mid-air, waiting for bread beneath it to
|
||
hold it up!
|
||
/Dragonfly/
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: MAX
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Give Peace agin
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 05:41:32
|
||
Message Number 11799
|
||
|
||
> ...not to mention that it made money for the artists involved.
|
||
|
||
The new version of "Give Peace a Chance" isn't making ANY money for the
|
||
artists involved; all profits are going to various charities the
|
||
Lennons support. It seems a fair number of people 'round here are
|
||
dismissing the song solely because it doesn't seem to support the
|
||
"popular" war. Whatever one can say about lyrical consistency (a bit
|
||
of a red herring, since the song was never WRITTEN to be lyrically
|
||
consistent) or musical merit, dismissing it as a greedy way to stir up
|
||
protests just doesn't cut it.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: MAX
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: protesters
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 05:51:20
|
||
Message Number 11800
|
||
|
||
> don't tell *me* that it was only people who were protesting war that
|
||
> got the war stopped. A great multitude were just there to cause
|
||
> havoc.
|
||
|
||
To borrow one of your favorite phrases, "bullshit." What stopped the
|
||
war in Vietnam was lack of support, both from the American public and
|
||
from the South Vietnamese themselves. Public opinion was turned
|
||
against the war, more than anything else, by the havoc wreaked UPON the
|
||
protesters -- not the protesters themselves.
|
||
|
||
As for the claim that protesters were just there because they wanted
|
||
something to protest (something that I believe you've claimed repeatedly
|
||
in this thread), you're entitled to your opinion -- but there's not a
|
||
shred of evidence you can offer to support that. All the protesters I
|
||
have ever talked with, whether from the '60s or the '90s, were sincere
|
||
in their beliefs. There may be people who were "hangers-on" in the
|
||
movement who were only along just to be part of something, but the same
|
||
can be said for ANY movement -- including the current "pro-war"
|
||
demonstrations.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: MAX
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: MS-DOS
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 06:02:28
|
||
Message Number 11801
|
||
|
||
Novell networks aren't capable of running terminals in the last version
|
||
that I've seen. Televideo makes ultra-smart terminals for use with
|
||
Novell systems that actually have MS-DOS 2.11 in ROM and 286 CPUs, but
|
||
that's a different kettle of fish entirely.
|
||
OTOH, a sufficiently powered station on a LAN could run a terminal
|
||
off it, kind of like a point system running off a Fido node, but
|
||
completely different.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: MAX
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Various
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 06:15:08
|
||
Message Number 11802
|
||
|
||
Uh, Led Zepplin, Queensryche, Metallica, and Rush are all pretty much
|
||
considered "heavy metal." You sure you want to go about bashing the
|
||
form so much?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: MAX
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: War win/loose
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 06:19:08
|
||
Message Number 11803
|
||
|
||
> If Hitler had won his war, then we would all think that what he did
|
||
> was right. The winning side writes the history.
|
||
|
||
That's not necessarily true. If he had taken over the United States
|
||
(a not terribly likely scenario, although possible), that wouldn't
|
||
necessarily change people's /attitudes./ A conquered country does not
|
||
develop an immediate love or respect for their conquerors; in fact,
|
||
I'd suggest the opposite would be more likely.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: MAX
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: protesters
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 06:22:06
|
||
Message Number 11804
|
||
|
||
You might notice that I'm not out there protesting. I see your point,
|
||
but I'm not particularly sure I agree with it. For one thing, about the
|
||
troops "seeing the protesters and being discouraged"... if they have
|
||
any access to news media at all, they'll notice that 86% of the public
|
||
IS supporting the war effort currently. I have been supporting the
|
||
troops, but I have not been supporting their commander in chief and
|
||
will continue not to do so.
|
||
|
||
It is also, perhaps, important to note that we DON'T KNOW what's going
|
||
on over there, when it comes right down to it. The only reports we
|
||
get from the front are cleared by IRAQI censors, because the Pentagon
|
||
is less cooperative with our media than they are. Caution toward the
|
||
press is understandable, but they're pushing it a bit too far; you must
|
||
wonder whether or not things are going quite as well as it's made out.
|
||
|
||
Last but not least: give the American public about three weeks after the
|
||
ground fighting starts in earnest. The Pentagon right now has two
|
||
goals, to have the fighting be as short as possible and to have the
|
||
smallest number of casualties possible. These two goals may be in
|
||
conflict, and if they go for one they risk botching the other. When the
|
||
casualties start being reported not in one or two lost a day but in one
|
||
or two hundred lost a day, the "hippies" will not be the only ones
|
||
beginning to question our government's motivations. As I see it, the
|
||
protesters aren't the radicals pissing in the wind they're made out
|
||
to be -- they're just a few months ahead of the rest.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: MAX
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Rationality
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 06:29:51
|
||
Message Number 11805
|
||
|
||
It's not twisting words at all. When you quote something, it's
|
||
generally because you thought it was said eloquently, and usually
|
||
because it said something you agree with more eloquently than you've
|
||
seen it stated before. I don't normally believe in mincing words, but
|
||
I like the way Chris Grant said it: "Beating around the bush only gets
|
||
you sorry-looking shrubbery." I have to question whether or not your
|
||
dismissive, sneering "so what?" in response to the Spider Robinson
|
||
quote, followed by a "who cares what a Canadian thinks?" comment, has
|
||
less to do with the source or the quote than the fact you just like
|
||
being derogatory and dismissive of ANYTHING said by anyone who dares
|
||
hold an opinion contrary to yours. (If this isn't the case, it's
|
||
certainly the way you present yourself, and it tends to make any
|
||
"debate" with you fruitless, because your mind is already made up --
|
||
when evidence against your position is presented that you can't
|
||
attack, you dodge the question by attacking the person or some other
|
||
part of their message unrelated to the point. I honestly wish you'd
|
||
consider this criticism SERIOUSLY instead of responding to it with
|
||
a flippant flame, hmm?)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Give it a Rest
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 06:42:17
|
||
Message Number 11806
|
||
|
||
SS> ...did I leave anything out?
|
||
T>
|
||
T>Homophobic.
|
||
|
||
Bullshit word. Saying that I'm afraid of faggots is like me saying that
|
||
you are afraid to program in 6502. I hate fags, you hate the 6502. Or
|
||
shall I call you, 6502-phobic? Even if you did accede to being
|
||
6502-phobic (which, incidentally, is another made-up nonsensical word)
|
||
I would not even dignify the word.
|
||
|
||
Homophobic is a word made up by fags to cover up thier own abnormality.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Earth stuff
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 06:46:44
|
||
Message Number 11807
|
||
|
||
T> Twas Dionysus, who doesn't call very often
|
||
|
||
Shit. I lost 20 bucks.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: Viet nam
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 06:50:05
|
||
Message Number 11808
|
||
|
||
SS> (previous message) Yes, I'd agree. Intelligent.
|
||
SS> Very matter-of-fact, not opinionated.
|
||
|
||
Ah, actually, it was pretty slanted. Well, from what I could read after
|
||
I was finished...
|
||
|
||
SS> Good job. Thumbs up.
|
||
|
||
Ahhgh! I'm not sure that I can *handle* two compliments in one night.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: trivia
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 06:52:11
|
||
Message Number 11809
|
||
|
||
Yes, well, if he had logged on, he would have responded right away to
|
||
your question...and if he had, he would have guessed before I posted my
|
||
answer.
|
||
|
||
Anyway, sorry....
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: war!
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 06:54:12
|
||
Message Number 11810
|
||
|
||
TS> You don't know what you mean.
|
||
SS> Do too.
|
||
|
||
Donotdonotdonot!!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: protesters
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 06:55:52
|
||
Message Number 11811
|
||
|
||
SS>Yes, I believe you would ask. But if people protested anyway?
|
||
SS>Didn't you say to shot [sic] the pinkos that were protesting?
|
||
|
||
Yes, I did. Course, I can say that now, because, I'm not in charge.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: Give it a Rest
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 06:58:01
|
||
Message Number 11812
|
||
|
||
T>Homophobic.
|
||
|
||
SS> No, he's no [sic] afraid of homosexuals. [He] just hates them.
|
||
SS> Is there a word for that?
|
||
|
||
Yes, but it depends on who you ask. If you ask Turtle, he would say
|
||
the word was BIGOTED. If you ask me, I'd say the word was NORMAL.
|
||
Course, Turtle likes fags.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: TIBERIUS
|
||
Subject: trivia
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 07:00:34
|
||
Message Number 11813
|
||
|
||
SS> ask the Specialist what the definition is.
|
||
|
||
T>OK, if you insist. Spec?? Any help here?
|
||
|
||
Homopervertual: Of or relating to any abnormal sexual behavior between
|
||
the same gender of sexes; any sexual activity between two or more of the
|
||
same sex; see also sodomy, AJ -TOPGUN-, homosexuality.
|
||
|
||
It's stupid nonsensical word I made up in response to the stupid
|
||
nonsensical word, Homophobia. (Both words have actually *no* semantic
|
||
value whatsoever.)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: TIBERIUS
|
||
Subject: trivia
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 07:06:33
|
||
Message Number 11814
|
||
|
||
Which comes first, peanut butter or jelly?
|
||
|
||
Why, the PB, of course! That makes it easier to clean up. PB, then
|
||
wipe the knife on the other slice, then jelly. Quick rinse on the
|
||
knife with hot water, and you're set.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: TIBERIUS
|
||
Subject: protesters
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 07:09:10
|
||
Message Number 11815
|
||
|
||
T>Can a war ever be so popular that we would opt for it over no war at
|
||
T> all?
|
||
|
||
No, but the fact is, we're at war. And a popular war, is one that is
|
||
generally supported by the public. Like WWII. The whole country
|
||
was involved, with women making the weapons, and everybody doing thier
|
||
part with rationing and all.... It was "popular".
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: MAX
|
||
Subject: Give Peace agin
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 07:15:48
|
||
Message Number 11816
|
||
|
||
M>Whatever one can say about lyrical consitency (a bit of a red herring
|
||
M>since the song was never WRITTEN to be lyrically consistent) or
|
||
M> [other] musical merit, dismissing it as a greedy way to stir up
|
||
M>protests just doesn't cut it.
|
||
|
||
Oh, please. The song was a way to stir up protesters. Period.
|
||
Never mind what it was aimed at, it's first function when it was
|
||
originally created was to cause pacifism and stir up the free radicals
|
||
who couldn't *be* pacifistic to go out and protest the war. And now,
|
||
these people's sole purpose was to protest the war, how much money they
|
||
make not withstanding, and cause people to have a pacifistic attitude
|
||
with thier popular influence. PERIOD.
|
||
|
||
Tell me that the people who sang that did it because they wanted to have
|
||
another hit single? Bull...they could have picked a better song.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: MAX
|
||
Subject: protesters
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 07:23:46
|
||
Message Number 11817
|
||
|
||
M> because of the havoc wreaked upon the protesters.
|
||
|
||
Yes, I believe that I said that. Read on, Max...read on
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: MAX
|
||
Subject: MS-DOS
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 07:24:56
|
||
Message Number 11818
|
||
|
||
M>Novell networks aren't capable of running terminals in the last
|
||
M>version that I've seen.
|
||
|
||
I never said that it could. I simply said that it was the interface
|
||
between terminals and the server. The *SOFTWARE* running on the
|
||
main was multitasker.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: MAX
|
||
Subject: Various
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 07:27:32
|
||
Message Number 11819
|
||
|
||
Ah, but I didn't say all Heavy Metal...I said heavy metal in general.
|
||
And my statement about the way it sounds is for the most part accurate.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: MAX
|
||
Subject: War win/loose
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 07:28:28
|
||
Message Number 11820
|
||
|
||
M>That's not necessarily true.
|
||
|
||
Yes, but you got my point, right?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: MAX
|
||
Subject: Rationality
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 07:31:15
|
||
Message Number 11821
|
||
|
||
Could it be? Have I been so dismissive and sneering and derisive?
|
||
Is it that I simply discount others opinions simply because they don't
|
||
align with mine?
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
Naahhhhhh.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: TIBERIUS
|
||
Subject: trivia
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 07:37:42
|
||
Message Number 11822
|
||
|
||
P-A-V-E-L
|
||
|
||
right.
|
||
Uhura's second language....Swahilii.
|
||
How about the color of Spock's blood? And the minerial it's based upon?
|
||
(Like our blood is iron-based.)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: TIBERIUS
|
||
Subject: trivia
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 07:41:49
|
||
Message Number 11823
|
||
|
||
T> When making a PB & J sandwich, which comes first, the PB or the J??
|
||
|
||
Well, the grocer, of course. You've got to buy the bread and PB & J.
|
||
Wait...
|
||
The bakery, the bread has to baked first.
|
||
No. NO. NO....
|
||
The manufacturer, the berries for the jelly and the peanuts for the PB
|
||
have to be processed.
|
||
Damn, sorry.
|
||
The ground has the come first. First you have to grow the wheat, berries
|
||
and peanuts first.
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
Aw, forget it. You'd have to go all the way back to the beginning of
|
||
time.
|
||
Man, you ask too difficult of questions.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: war!
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 07:54:16
|
||
Message Number 11824
|
||
|
||
TS> You don't know what you mean.
|
||
SS> Do too.
|
||
|
||
TS> donotdonotdonotdonot!!
|
||
|
||
Do to, do to, do to, do to!
|
||
|
||
As you might say, can we end this thread already.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: protesters
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 07:56:18
|
||
Message Number 11825
|
||
|
||
TS> Yes, I did. Course, I can say that now, because, I'm not in charge.
|
||
|
||
Dodge. Dodge. Evading the facts.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Give it a Rest
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 07:58:04
|
||
Message Number 11826
|
||
|
||
TS> I'd say the word was NORMAL.
|
||
|
||
Boy, I guess there's some abNORMAL people out there. And I bet they're
|
||
not all homos, either. I, personally, don't approve of homosexuality.
|
||
Does that make me abnormal?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: trivia
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 08:00:37
|
||
Message Number 11827
|
||
|
||
TS> Homopertual.....any sexual activity between two ro more of the same
|
||
sex...
|
||
|
||
Does that mean that if ?you? were engaged in a foursome (you with one
|
||
girl, and the other /guy/ (same sex as you) with the other girl.
|
||
Would you be homopertual?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: trivia
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 08:03:00
|
||
Message Number 11828
|
||
|
||
TS> Quick rinse on the knife with hot water, and you'r set.
|
||
|
||
Thanks for the kitchen tip.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Various
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 08:04:39
|
||
Message Number 11829
|
||
|
||
Tell you what, you get a tape of cats being electrocuted, and I'll
|
||
listen to it. If it is compatible, then you could go into business for
|
||
yourself. Quality tapes at a cheap price. And also get rid of some
|
||
cats at the same time.
|
||
|
||
I bet our resident animal torturing committee could help.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Rationality
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 08:08:08
|
||
Message Number 11830
|
||
|
||
TS> Could it be? Have I been so dismissive and sneering and derisive?
|
||
TS> Is it that I simply discount others opinions simply because they
|
||
TS> don't align with mine?
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
TS> Naahhhhh.
|
||
|
||
Yep.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CHARLES
|
||
To: ALL
|
||
Subject: PICNICK!
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 08:33:31
|
||
Message Number 11831
|
||
|
||
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|
||
|
||
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|
||
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|
||
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|
||
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|
||
PP II CC NN NNN II CC KK KK !!
|
||
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|
||
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|
||
|
||
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|
||
(Wyvern's Den 'in absentia' temporarily)
|
||
|
||
Incredible giveaways, including computer hardware, commercial
|
||
software, books (including USEFUL programming books), even
|
||
FOOD!
|
||
|
||
When? Saturday, Feb. 9th, 10 AM to Noon
|
||
Where? Chef Paul's, Tamiami Trail (Rt 41) at 16th ST (Gulf side)
|
||
Who? ALL callers, sysops, friends, spouses, etc.
|
||
Why? Because there will be great giveaways, great conversation
|
||
and an inexpensive fun time!!
|
||
|
||
For more details, call Suncoast City at (813)953-5505
|
||
.
|
||
---and a SPECIAL selection of cp/m materials for the NC Crew!!!!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: RUFUS
|
||
To: DRAGONFLY
|
||
Subject: Model 100
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 09:13:11
|
||
Message Number 11832
|
||
|
||
I dunno...that 5k of ram pushes it out of the 'real' computer catagory.
|
||
All your really need is 2k at the most. I do like that 24 char. display,
|
||
though. Sometime this week I'm gonna go to Radio Shacks computer center
|
||
and see if I can get some ram for this model 100 (which I've been using
|
||
for the past few days while I'm away from home) and see what roms they
|
||
have. BTW, if you see Raven, tell him I want his 300 baud acoustic
|
||
modem he bought at that auction a few yrs. back. I need to be able to
|
||
use this at the 7-11.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DRAGONFLY
|
||
To: ALL
|
||
Subject: New Topic
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 10:19:19
|
||
Message Number 11833
|
||
|
||
What do you think about women in combat?
|
||
Right now, women are allowed to take part in all non-combat duties
|
||
in our armed forces, but they aren't allowed any combat roles. Should
|
||
they be allowed to? If a woman is drafted, should she (like men) be
|
||
forced into a combat role? (Sub-question: Should women be drafted?)
|
||
I'm really interested in hearing the opinions of the Specialist
|
||
and Turtle on this issue...
|
||
/Dragonfly/
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DRAGONFLY
|
||
To: MAX
|
||
Subject: War win/loose
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 10:23:54
|
||
Message Number 11834
|
||
|
||
"If Hitler had taken over the U.S.... wouldn't necessarily change
|
||
people's attitudes." Let's quit talking abstractions, and talk reality:
|
||
the Baltic countries, taken over in 1945.
|
||
The Soviets DID re-write the history of the Baltics. There are a
|
||
fair number of people from the Baltic states (and not merely the
|
||
Russians who have moved in!) who do not support independence from
|
||
the U.S.S.R. That's partly due to the forty-five years since the
|
||
war, partly due to economic reasons (oil from the U.S.S.R. has been
|
||
extremely cheap.) Face it: peoples' attitudes HAVE changed due to the
|
||
war: from hatred to resignation.
|
||
Yes, the protests show there's still a lot of support for indepen-
|
||
dence. (And Gorbachev allowing there to be martyrs for the cause will
|
||
hurt him much more!) But I doubt anyone could claim the attitudes of
|
||
the Baltics haven't changed from over forty years of Soviet rule.
|
||
/Dragonfly/
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DRAGONFLY
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Give it a Rest
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 10:40:48
|
||
Message Number 11835
|
||
|
||
Homophobia is accepted as a word by Miriam-Webster. (Irrational fear of
|
||
homosexuality or homosexuals.) Even if it were at one point "made-up,"
|
||
the same can be said of every word.
|
||
(You asked me to "Drop it" before. I did. You didn't.)
|
||
|
||
Considering you haven't given a rational reason to hate homosexuals,x
|
||
I'd say homophobic is apt.
|
||
/Dragonfly/
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DRAGONFLY
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: trivia
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 10:48:49
|
||
Message Number 11836
|
||
|
||
Spock's blood is, of course, green.
|
||
|
||
OK, here's one for you: What color was Spock originally supposed to
|
||
be? And why was it changed?
|
||
/Dragonfly/
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DRAGONFLY
|
||
To: RUFUS
|
||
Subject: Model 100
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 10:54:47
|
||
Message Number 11838
|
||
|
||
Good luck finding stuph for the model 100. And, if I remember, I'll
|
||
ask Raven about the 300 baud.
|
||
|
||
BTW, what ARE you planning on doing out of a 7-11? And does it
|
||
involve fascinating government secrets?
|
||
/Dragonfly/
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: teletype
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 11:10:36
|
||
Message Number 11839
|
||
|
||
How much can you find an XT memory card for? I have an XT machine
|
||
(an old Columbia) that can only go up to 256K on the motherboard and
|
||
counts on having a memory card if you want more, but what I don't have
|
||
is a great deal of money to spend on one...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Give it a Rest
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 11:14:24
|
||
Message Number 11840
|
||
|
||
>As a matter of fact, I would say that most of what you post is
|
||
>worthy of Turtle. (High praise, indeed.)
|
||
|
||
(Look of surprised astonishment) Er...ah, thank you.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: Sources & You
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 11:18:37
|
||
Message Number 11841
|
||
|
||
>Point being, just because you agree with something doesn't make it
|
||
>anymore valid, than if you disargeed with something makes it invalid.
|
||
|
||
Yes. On the other hand, there's nothing wrong with quoting people if
|
||
you believe they made the point you were trying to make more eloquently
|
||
than you did...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: -phobe?
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 11:25:08
|
||
Message Number 11842
|
||
|
||
>No, he's not afraid of homosexuals. I just hates them.
|
||
>Is there a word for that?
|
||
|
||
Homopathic, perhaps?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: work
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 11:26:05
|
||
Message Number 11843
|
||
|
||
>Rather unlikely.
|
||
|
||
Not really. You'd be surprised how many really interesting and bizzare
|
||
people you can meet at a McD's. About half of the really, truly
|
||
interesting people I know I met at McDonald's. ('Course, most of the
|
||
truly, profoundly, fundamentally stupid and boring people I've met I
|
||
have /also/ met at McDonald's...) Normal people don't work at McD's,
|
||
they work at The Gap or some office somewhere. The people you get at
|
||
McD's are generally either too stupid to work anywhere else or very,
|
||
very intelligent but totally unmotivated; there's not a whole lot of
|
||
in between.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: ET stuff
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 11:28:54
|
||
Message Number 11844
|
||
|
||
>Leave to Turtle to know that.
|
||
|
||
Hey, what do you think happens to the old messages that disappear
|
||
from this system? They don't evaporate; they go into this motherhuge
|
||
.LZH archive...
|
||
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Give it a Rest
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 11:37:36
|
||
Message Number 11845
|
||
|
||
>Homophobic is a word made up by fags to cover up thier [sic]
|
||
>own abnormality.
|
||
|
||
Actually, I was under the impression that "homophobic" was a word made
|
||
up by the American Medical Association to describe a pathological
|
||
psychological condition, but what do I know?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Give it a Rest
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 11:39:53
|
||
Message Number 11846
|
||
|
||
>Course, Turtle likes fags.
|
||
|
||
No, Turtle doesn't /dislike/ people just because they are fags. There's
|
||
a difference. Believe it or not, there are gays out there that Turtle
|
||
DOESN'T like. Wow. Imagine that.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: trivia
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 11:41:38
|
||
Message Number 11847
|
||
|
||
>...see also sodomy, ...
|
||
|
||
Sodomy is not exclusively a homosexual activity, any more than is
|
||
oral intercourse.
|
||
|
||
>(Both words have actually *no* semantic value whatsoever.)
|
||
|
||
Nope. That isn't a matter of opinion, it's a matter of factual
|
||
knowledge. A word which is found in a dictionary is not a word with
|
||
no semantic value, almost by definition. "Homophobic" is a word which
|
||
is listed in the dictionary. Q.E.D.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: DRAGONFLY
|
||
Subject: New Topic
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 12:02:29
|
||
Message Number 11848
|
||
|
||
DF> What do you think of women in war?
|
||
|
||
Boy, you /do/ write some tough questions.
|
||
|
||
But seriously, I'm glad you asked that question.
|
||
What do I think? I don't like it. Scratch that, I hate it.
|
||
|
||
NOTHING against women. I /do/ believe women should, for the most part,
|
||
be treated as equals. This doesn't include combat.
|
||
Just as a footnote to all female BBSers and liberalists.
|
||
Nothing in this message is meant to be chauvinistic.
|
||
Point #1.) Women are not as physically strong as men.
|
||
Point #2.) Women are not as endurate as men.
|
||
Point #3.) Women are more emotional than men, therefore are not
|
||
susceptible to brain-washing and more likely to break under torture.
|
||
Point #4.) Women are more likely to be raped.
|
||
Point #5.) Psychologically, as far as society is concerned, the
|
||
brutalization of women is more enraging and more disgusting. Therefore,
|
||
the war would be more likely to turn into a blood bath. Soldiers would
|
||
attack with ruthless abandonment in retaliation. War, as ugly as it is,
|
||
is fought by strategy too.
|
||
Point #6.) Finally, I'd hate to see a woman hurt or killed. I just rubs
|
||
me the wrong way.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: DRAGONFLY
|
||
Subject: trivia
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 12:25:52
|
||
Message Number 11849
|
||
|
||
DF> Ok, here's one for you: What color was Spock originally supposed to
|
||
be? And why was it changed?
|
||
|
||
Got me there. But to venture a guess I'd say: Green in color,
|
||
disregarded because of problems with make-up.
|
||
|
||
Close?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Sources & You
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 12:30:22
|
||
Message Number 11850
|
||
|
||
Cute subject.
|
||
T> ....There's nothing wrong with quoting people if you believe they
|
||
made the point you were trying to make...
|
||
|
||
True. I argree with you. But remember /I/ wasn't the one arguing with
|
||
you. I was just pointing out the fact that opinions and validity
|
||
are not compatible.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: -phobe?
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 12:34:21
|
||
Message Number 11851
|
||
|
||
T> Homopathic, perhaps?
|
||
|
||
I like it. I like it.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Faggot friends
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 12:36:49
|
||
Message Number 11852
|
||
|
||
T> No, Turtle doesn't /dislike/ people because they are fags. There's
|
||
T> a difference. Believe it or not, there are gays out there that
|
||
T> Turtle DOESN'T like. Wow. Imagine that.
|
||
|
||
Right. Whether or not someone is gay is not be a reason to be firends
|
||
with someone. I've had one gay friend that like to dresses and owned
|
||
over three-hundred Barbie dolls. Very, very strange, but still he was
|
||
a friend. At least, until he wrote me a love letter the day he moved
|
||
out-of-state.
|
||
I don't have any gay friends at this time. But if I did, the SP4 would
|
||
definitely freak out if they came out to visit.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: DRAGONFLY
|
||
Subject: New Topic
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 12:47:10
|
||
Message Number 11853
|
||
|
||
>What do you all think about women in combat?
|
||
|
||
Well, women enjoy the benefits of our society, and do so essentially
|
||
as equals; therefore...
|
||
|
||
I don't buy a lot of the arguments that people use against the idea of
|
||
introducing women into combat roles. Women generally have better
|
||
physical endurance than men, even if they don't necessarily have
|
||
the brute strength (which isn't that much of a liability in modern
|
||
warfare); women tend to be more stable under stress than men; and
|
||
femenist myth aside, the "women=peaceful, men=aggressive" stereotype
|
||
doesn't have all that much validity. On the other hand, I don't think
|
||
society is likely to deal very well with the idea of women in combat
|
||
roles, and in wars which are large-scale to the point where they
|
||
involve a significant fraction of the younger population (like, say,
|
||
WWII) there are excellent arguments of a strictly continuing-the-
|
||
population nature against the idea. A given gene pool can more readily
|
||
lose a larger number of its male members with less damage than it
|
||
can lose a large number of its childbearing members. (But hey, if
|
||
women had been more involved with WWII, we might not be faces with
|
||
the problems the baby boom brought upon us...)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: New Topic
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 12:54:04
|
||
Message Number 11854
|
||
|
||
>Point #2.) Women are not as endurate as men.
|
||
|
||
Not true; their physical stamina is, on the average, slightly higher.
|
||
|
||
>Point #3.) Women are not as emotionally stable...
|
||
|
||
Also not true.
|
||
|
||
>...and more likely to break under torture.
|
||
|
||
I'm not aware of any studies that have been done to address this point,
|
||
but I'd be willing to bet that women would actually deal with torture
|
||
*better* than men. No evidence to support either assumption, though.
|
||
|
||
However, you do have a good point about women being more likely to be
|
||
raped (in a battlefield
|
||
type of psychological environment, a distinct
|
||
likelihood I hadn't thought of), and that brutalization of women is
|
||
likely to cause a stronger emotional reaction...and would therefore
|
||
be likely to cause problems of a completely different sort.
|
||
|
||
Finally, I don't like to see /anybody/ killed. It rubs me the wrong way.
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|
||
|
||
From: NIGHT OWL
|
||
To: MAX $ $
|
||
Subject: sayings
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 18:37:08
|
||
Message Number 11855
|
||
|
||
>...."beating around the bush only gets you sorry looking shrubbery"....
|
||
|
||
hahaha, I like that.
|
||
|
||
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|
||
|
||
From: TIBERIUS
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: trivia
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 22:18:47
|
||
Message Number 11856
|
||
|
||
>Homopervertual: Of or relating to any abnormal sexual behavior between
|
||
|
||
I got it. In other words, what the faggots do at a hen party, right?
|
||
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|
||
|
||
From: TIBERIUS
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: PB&J
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 22:21:04
|
||
Message Number 11857
|
||
|
||
|
||
>Why, the PB, of course!
|
||
|
||
Not necessarily!! I saw that a lot of people put the jelly on first.
|
||
Can you believe it?
|
||
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|
||
|
||
From: TIBERIUS
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: protesters
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 22:25:33
|
||
Message Number 11858
|
||
|
||
>.... it was "popular".
|
||
|
||
It was accepted, but not necessarily popular. I know, I know, semantics
|
||
and all, but I feel that way.
|
||
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|
||
|
||
From: TIBERIUS
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: trivia
|
||
Date & Time: 02/04/91 22:28:45
|
||
Message Number 11859
|
||
|
||
Spock was definitely GREEN with envy due to the copper base of his blood
|
||
|
||
Ahhhhh, let's see......Who was generally Bones' second in command?
|
||
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|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: protesters
|
||
Date & Time: 02/05/91 05:38:18
|
||
Message Number 11860
|
||
|
||
TS>Yes, I did. Course, I can say that now, because, I'm not in charge.
|
||
|
||
SS>Dodge. Dodge. Evading the facts.
|
||
|
||
(Disdainfull look combined with a snort...) Are you listening? Really?
|
||
I'm sure that what you say now and what you would do were you actually
|
||
in charge would differ as well. If you're going to post, make the
|
||
comment within reason. Saying that I dodged the issue is inaccurate,
|
||
and strikes me as simply an attempt to annoy me.
|
||
|
||
(Hmmm. Which if it was, it was enormously successful....) >:[
|
||
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|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: Give it a Rest
|
||
Date & Time: 02/05/91 05:43:49
|
||
Message Number 11861
|
||
|
||
SS> I, personally, don't approve of homosexuality. Does that make me
|
||
SS>abnormal?
|
||
|
||
No. Approving of homosexuality doesn't make you abnormal, either. But
|
||
if you *were* homosexual, *that* would make you abnormal. Sick.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: trivia
|
||
Date & Time: 02/05/91 05:45:44
|
||
Message Number 11862
|
||
|
||
T>Homopertual [homopervertual [sic]]...any sexual activity between two
|
||
T>[or] more of the same sex...
|
||
|
||
SS>Does that mean that if ?you? were engaged in a foursome (you with one
|
||
SS>girl, and the other /guy/ (same sex as you) with the other girl.
|
||
SS>Would you be homopervertual?
|
||
|
||
Can you read? "...between two or more of the same sex..." Does it say
|
||
anything about more than one sex involved in the encounter? No.
|
||
|
||
And just for the record, as long as the girl didn't "do" the girl, and
|
||
the guy didn't "do" the guy, no. And please leave /ME/ *out* of any
|
||
future examples.... I hate being in examples when we talk about
|
||
homopervertuality. I want nothing to do with it.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: trivia
|
||
Date & Time: 02/05/91 05:51:56
|
||
Message Number 11863
|
||
|
||
SS>Thanks for the kitchen tip.
|
||
|
||
Got it from Heloise.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: Various
|
||
Date & Time: 02/05/91 05:52:36
|
||
Message Number 11864
|
||
|
||
SS>...[tape some cats being electrocuted]...
|
||
|
||
Yes, but I'd have to add some more sound effects...like banging noises,
|
||
combined with screeching and scratching noises.
|
||
|
||
Good idea, tho...there's definitely an audience for that stuff in heavy
|
||
metal audophiles.....
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: MAX
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: Rationality
|
||
Date & Time: 02/05/91 06:03:08
|
||
Message Number 11865
|
||
|
||
> just because you agree with something doesn't make it any more valid
|
||
> than [disagreeing] with something makes it invalid.
|
||
|
||
Yes. Of course, we were talking about the "validity" of quotes when it
|
||
comes to illustrating your point more eloquently than your own words do,
|
||
not whether or not a particular quote is "valid." My point was only
|
||
a small and humble one: using quotes from people in an argument is not a
|
||
bad thing. (In many cases, it can bolster your argument quite a bit,
|
||
such as quoting someone with a great deal more experience in the subject
|
||
than either you or your "opponent" have.)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: MAX
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: Give it a Rest
|
||
Date & Time: 02/05/91 06:07:05
|
||
Message Number 11866
|
||
|
||
How about this for a comment on "hatred" vs. "fear": the former is a
|
||
more extreme degree of the latter. All hatred is BASED on fear, even if
|
||
it is just a fear of the unknown. Every person I have met who hates a
|
||
particular group -- whether that group is homo/bisexuals, or blacks,
|
||
Jews, women, or whatever -- generally neither understands them nor is
|
||
willing to take the time to do so. In many cases, they're not willing
|
||
to get close enough to a known member of that group to see whether or
|
||
not the assumptions they base their hatred on is valid. "Homophobic"
|
||
IS as good a word as any to describe someone who hates gays.
|
||
|
||
And, incidentally, it was created by psychologists, not homosexuals,
|
||
as the Specialist would like us to believe.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: MAX
|
||
To: DRAGONFLY
|
||
Subject: protesters
|
||
Date & Time: 02/05/91 06:11:14
|
||
Message Number 11867
|
||
|
||
It is a philosophical question of just what fighting for your country
|
||
means. People could come up with reasons to fight in a war other than
|
||
defending your country or its allies, but I don't think they hold much
|
||
weight; and to me, a country that doesn't place a high value on freedom
|
||
and individual choice is not a country worth fighting for.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: MAX
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Give Peace agin
|
||
Date & Time: 02/05/91 06:16:32
|
||
Message Number 11868
|
||
|
||
> its first function was to cause pacifism...and now, these people's
|
||
> sole purpose was to protest the war...and cause people to have a
|
||
> pacifistic attitude with their popular influence.
|
||
|
||
Promoting pacifism. Horrors. What IS the world coming to? I might
|
||
point out that the new version of "Give Peace a Chance" was recorded
|
||
BEFORE the war broke out, making the argument its sole purpose was to
|
||
protest this war a bit shaky. It is true that the people who recorded
|
||
(and wrote) the song aren't supporting U.S. involvement in the
|
||
"liberation" of Kuwait. So what? The message of the song is inherent
|
||
in the title, and as trite as it may sound now (and may have sounded
|
||
when it was first recorded), I don't think it's a bad idea. All of
|
||
history tells a tale of countries that are more willing to kill one
|
||
another's soldiers and citizens than to give peace a chance; in fact,
|
||
it suggests that a lasting peace is a great deal more difficult to
|
||
achieve for ANY length of time than simply beating each other's
|
||
brains out until somebody cries "Uncle!". I don't particularly like
|
||
the song, but I appreciate the message, and I wish more people would
|
||
wake up to the fact that war is simply the path of least resistance--
|
||
not necessarily the best solution to political conflicts.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: MAX
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: MS-DOS
|
||
Date & Time: 02/05/91 06:23:07
|
||
Message Number 11869
|
||
|
||
Ah. Was the main system running PC-MOS rather than MS-DOS? I have
|
||
seen true multi-user PC installations running under that system using
|
||
Arcnet cards. I believe Novell is just software, although they make
|
||
both Arcnet and Ethernet cards (which can run on any LAN or multiuser
|
||
environment).
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: MAX
|
||
To: DRAGONFLY
|
||
Subject: New Topic
|
||
Date & Time: 02/05/91 06:27:40
|
||
Message Number 11870
|
||
|
||
Well, here's an opinion. Women in the military should be allowed into
|
||
combat positions. Women, on the average, have /more/ stamina and
|
||
agility than men do -- they're just usually not in jobs where that
|
||
shows through (due to the same societal bias about "proper female roles"
|
||
that keeps them out of combat currently). The only reason they are not
|
||
in combat now is because of lingering pseudo-chivalric ideas of menfolk
|
||
protecting their delicate women.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: MAX
|
||
To: DRAGONFLY
|
||
Subject: War win/loose
|
||
Date & Time: 02/05/91 06:32:52
|
||
Message Number 11871
|
||
|
||
The economic factors for the Baltics would not hold true for a nation
|
||
trying to conquer the United States. Point one: we're halfway around
|
||
the world. We are as close to economically independent as you're likely
|
||
to get in our geopolitical system (yes, I am aware of the trade deficit,
|
||
but compare our self-sufficiency to that of most second-world nations).
|
||
During WW2, we were in a much better position to be self-sufficient than
|
||
we are now. Point two: we're big. We're REALLY big. We're bigger than
|
||
all of the Axis powers put together. I have a great deal of trouble
|
||
believing that the United States /could/ be conquered in its present (or
|
||
WW2) form: it simply wouldn't be possible for the conquerors to hold it
|
||
together for that long. We aren't talking about the USSR taking over
|
||
the Baltic states, we're talking about the Baltic states taking over the
|
||
USSR. The logistics problems, especially with 20th-century combat
|
||
mechanics and technological realities (not present in the histories of
|
||
the great "world conquerors" of the past), would be close to
|
||
insurmountable. The "conquered" U.S. would always be on the brink of
|
||
revolution, and the North American "empire" would probably have a great
|
||
deal of trouble lasting past the '70s -- if it could ever be forged to
|
||
start with.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: MAX
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: Faggot friends
|
||
Date & Time: 02/05/91 06:44:13
|
||
Message Number 11872
|
||
|
||
300 Barbie dolls? I'd say that was a bit weird, regardless of the
|
||
owner's sex (or orientation), but maybe that's just me.
|
||
|
||
> I don't have any gay friends at this time. But if I did, the SP4
|
||
> would definitely freak out if they came to visit.
|
||
|
||
Yes, that's probably true. 'Course, I just put 5500 miles on my car in
|
||
the last two weeks driving out to meet a lot of friends from around the
|
||
world congregating in Anaheim, California, and a fair number of them
|
||
were bisexual. I can't help but wonder what the Specialist's reaction
|
||
to meeting them would be -- or vice-versa.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: New Topic
|
||
Date & Time: 02/05/91 07:54:53
|
||
Message Number 11873
|
||
|
||
SS> Women are not as emotionally stable...
|
||
|
||
T> ..Not true.
|
||
|
||
How so? I mean, for example, you're more likely to see a woman crying
|
||
in public than a man. Hmmm probably not the best example.
|
||
But justify you're statments that women are more endurate, and that they
|
||
are more emotionally stable.
|
||
The endurance bit, I might be able to buy, but not the other.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: protesters
|
||
Date & Time: 02/05/91 07:59:18
|
||
Message Number 11874
|
||
|
||
Good.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: TIBERIUS
|
||
Subject: trivia
|
||
Date & Time: 02/05/91 07:59:56
|
||
Message Number 11875
|
||
|
||
T> .. Who was generally Bones' second in command?
|
||
|
||
That's easy. Nurse Chapel. BTW, did you know she's married to Gene
|
||
Roddenberry? And that she's does the voice of the computer in ST:TNG?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: MAX
|
||
Subject: New Topic
|
||
Date & Time: 02/05/91 08:05:42
|
||
Message Number 11876
|
||
|
||
I would like to interject with a story about endurance as far as men
|
||
compared to women.
|
||
When I worked for Winn-Dixie warehouse in Sarasota I saw, first hand,
|
||
the trouble women have keeping up with men.
|
||
Let me set the stage.
|
||
It's five o'clock in the morning, you've just punched-in.
|
||
At the front shipping desk you're assigned to an aisle.
|
||
In these aisles are pallets of merchandise.
|
||
Bear in mind, that you have to throw 551 cases per hour to keep your
|
||
job. Also, these cases weigh between 5 and 45 lbs.
|
||
So, if you figure an average case weighs, let's say, 20 lbs.
|
||
And you throw 551 case per hour, eight hours a day.
|
||
In one day, you've thrown approx. 10000lb/day. Or 80000 lb/week.
|
||
Now, we all know that lifting 5 to 45 lb is not /that/ difficult
|
||
even for a woman. But when I came down to throwing average, I never
|
||
saw a women throw average consistently. And, yes, we did have a few
|
||
female employees, most didn't last two days.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
To: MAX
|
||
Subject: Faggot friends
|
||
Date & Time: 02/05/91 08:16:38
|
||
Message Number 11877
|
||
|
||
M> I can't help but wonder what the Specialist's reaction to meeting
|
||
them would be.. or vice-versa.
|
||
|
||
THAT would be interesting!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: RUFUS
|
||
To: DRAGONFLY
|
||
Subject: Model 100
|
||
Date & Time: 02/05/91 09:04:41
|
||
Message Number 11878
|
||
|
||
Actually, Radio Shack still has a listing for the RAM (which is more
|
||
than can be said for the acoustic cups) chips, so they may have them in
|
||
stock. If I get enough ram for it, I'm gonna have Ken Sable call that
|
||
one BBS that actually had a model 100 download section! Then I can set
|
||
up my own model 100 file transfer system on Uncle Bob's. As to what
|
||
I'll be doing with the model 100 at the 7-11, well, that's top secret.
|
||
Oh, what the heck. The first thing ya do is establish contact with the
|
||
gov't. computer, located on the island of Fiji. First you call Alaska,
|
||
where the call is sent to a satellite, then down to Utah, 600 miles E
|
||
E-SE to another uplink, to Antarctica, then to a small hut in the
|
||
Tibeten mountains, then back up
|
||
to the satellite then back down
|
||
to Fiji. Then you enter the 7-11
|
||
ask for a Toad Slurpee. You open the bottom and get the prize, which is
|
||
actually a decoding ring, then you wait for the coded message and then
|
||
you decode it. Real tight security (notice I didn't mention /which/
|
||
7-11 I'd be using...) :)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: RUFUS
|
||
To: TIBERIUS
|
||
Subject: PB&J
|
||
Date & Time: 02/05/91 09:20:01
|
||
Message Number 11879
|
||
|
||
I just toss two pieces of white bread (I hate wheat, oat, bran, etc.),
|
||
some jelly, some peanut butter, and a small splash of milk in the
|
||
blender, and blend it up. Saves from all that chewing ya gotta do
|
||
otherwise. And the jelly always drips out if you make a sandwich the
|
||
conventional way.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: DRAGONFLY
|
||
Subject: Give it a Rest
|
||
Date & Time: 02/05/91 10:10:12
|
||
Message Number 11880
|
||
|
||
I'd say that you were mixing your terms, DF. There's a world of
|
||
difference between an "irrational fear" and an "extreme hatred".
|
||
|
||
And as for homophobia being accepted by Mirriam-Webster, almost any
|
||
word with the suffix "phobia" can be admitted by them. It is still a
|
||
nonsense word. Who would be afraid of a pansy?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: DRAGONFLY
|
||
Subject: Women/Combat
|
||
Date & Time: 02/05/91 10:12:57
|
||
Message Number 11881
|
||
|
||
No. Women should not be allowed into combat zones.
|
||
Couple of reasons. One, women would be allowed to "get over".
|
||
In other words, an NCO who was in charge of a squad might not put a
|
||
woman on point as much as he would put a man on point, simply because
|
||
he favors the woman, or the woman offered him favors. Two, men have
|
||
a tendency to act irrational around females. Two soldiers out ther
|
||
have been shot. Who is the first a man would rescue? A female soldier.
|
||
Why? Why being gallantly stupid, of course. Or any situation like
|
||
that, where a female was in danger, and probably would be perfectly
|
||
safe, a man would risk his life (gallantly) to save her before saving
|
||
another male soldier. Three, men would compete over the woman, causing
|
||
problems within the squad, and reducing morale and efficiency of the
|
||
squad. Yes, I've seen it happen in garrison, so don't tell me it
|
||
couldn't happen out in the field (and over some of the gawd-awfulest
|
||
lookin females ya ever did see!). Four, there is the matter of female
|
||
physics. Some females (not all, I've met a few to kick anyones ass) are
|
||
simply not strong enough to face the rigors of combat over an extended
|
||
peroid of time. AND, speaking of periods...need I say more?
|
||
|
||
Rebuttal, Turtle?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: XT mem ext
|
||
Date & Time: 02/05/91 10:21:32
|
||
Message Number 11882
|
||
|
||
I dunno...lemme check on the price. We have a few kicking around the
|
||
shop. Remember, if those don't work, I could get check on my
|
||
distributor and see what prices he has. I'll check into it for you.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: -phobe?
|
||
Date & Time: 02/05/91 10:23:04
|
||
Message Number 11883
|
||
|
||
T>Homopathic, perhaps?
|
||
|
||
I dunno. Sounds better than -phobic, though. Could someone please
|
||
quote the dictionary on that one fore me?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Give it a Rest
|
||
Date & Time: 02/05/91 10:24:40
|
||
Message Number 11884
|
||
|
||
T>...but what do I know?
|
||
|
||
Geeze, an awful lot...you're the warehouse for totally unneeded facts.
|
||
Actually, probably homophobe may have been made up by the AMA, but it
|
||
seems to me that most fags seized the word and used it like a shield...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: trivia
|
||
Date & Time: 02/05/91 10:26:37
|
||
Message Number 11885
|
||
|
||
T>..."homophobic" is a word which is listed in the dictionsary, Q.E.D.
|
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See my message to DF.
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From: THE SPECIALIST
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To: SCOTT STEEL
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Subject: Faggot friends
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Date & Time: 02/05/91 10:29:10
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Message Number 11886
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T>No, Turtle doesn't /dislike/ people because they are fags.
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SS>I've had one gay friend...untill he wrote me a love letter...
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Uh huh. One more reason not to hang around with gays...they get the
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wrong impression. Hanging out with gays makes others believe that you
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may swing that way, too. I won't be associated.
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From: THE SPECIALIST
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To: TIBERIUS
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Subject: trivia
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Date & Time: 02/05/91 10:32:35
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Message Number 11887
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Ah, and speaking of eloquent quotes,
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T>In other words, what the faggots do at a hen party, right?
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Yes, exactly. Hen party, haha!
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From: THE SPECIALIST
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To: TIBERIUS
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Subject: PB&J
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Date & Time: 02/05/91 10:33:40
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Message Number 11888
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T>..the PB...
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TIb> ...a lot of people put on the jelly first...
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Slobs! How do they clean thier knifes neatly!
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'
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From: THE SPECIALIST
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To: TIBERIUS
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Subject: trivia
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Date & Time: 02/05/91 10:34:51
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Message Number 11889
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Nurse Chapel. What was her first name?
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From: THE SPECIALIST
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To: MAX
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Subject: Give it a Rest
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Date & Time: 02/05/91 10:37:35
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Message Number 11890
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M>"Homophobic" IS as good a word as any to describe someone who hates
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M>gays.
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Bullshit. Wait...no, MANIFEST BULLSHIT (tm). That entire statement
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is based on the premise that hate is simply an exteme fear, which mine
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is not. Mine is a hate based on resentment, not fear. I hate spiders,
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now, and that could be based on fear. Indeed, I am an arachnophobe.
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And who created the word is irrelevant, anyway. Gays use it like it was
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some sort of talisman...to ward off the normal people.
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From: THE SPECIALIST
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To: MAX
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Subject: Give Peace agin
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Date & Time: 02/05/91 10:42:12
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Message Number 11891
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M>Promoting pacifism. Horros.
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AHAH! You are a pacifist! No wonder you would defend the song! SO,
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lemme get this straight. You don't want to fight, you criticize those
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who would, yet you enjoy all the benifits of a country that has fought
|
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many times to maintain it's freedom...am I right? Yes, I think I am.
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Then, you turn around and want to encourage others not to fight...so,
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tell me, if more of your type (pacifists) had been around before the
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war in 1776, do you think that we'd still be under Englands rule? Oh,
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yeah.... Bloody good, eh what?
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From: THE SPECIALIST
|
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To: MAX
|
||
Subject: MS-DOS
|
||
Date & Time: 02/05/91 10:45:42
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Message Number 11892
|
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M>Ah. Was the main system running PC-MOS [than] MS-DOS?
|
||
|
||
Ah, no, I don't believe.
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M>I believe Novell is just software, although they make both Arcnet
|
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M>and Ethernet cards (which can run on any LAN or multiuser...
|
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|
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Ah, yes, Novell *is* just software, but it will let other software run
|
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at the same time.
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From: THE SPECIALIST
|
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To: MAX
|
||
Subject: Faggot friends
|
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Date & Time: 02/05/91 10:49:17
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Message Number 11893
|
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|
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M>I can't help but wonder wht the Specialist's reaction to metting them
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M>would be -- or vice-verse.
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|
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"One, Two, Three...*CRUNCH*...Three."
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The world will never know.
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|
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From: DRAGONFLY
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: -phobe?
|
||
Date & Time: 02/05/91 10:59:08
|
||
Message Number 11894
|
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|
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SS>No, he's not afraid of homosexuals. I just hates them.
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SS>Is there a word for that?
|
||
|
||
T>Homopathic, perhaps?
|
||
|
||
Hee hee: He's got pathos for homosexuals? I doubt it. I doubt he has
|
||
any sympthy for homosexuals... :>
|
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/Dragonfly/
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|
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From: DRAGONFLY
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Give it a Rest
|
||
Date & Time: 02/05/91 11:10:13
|
||
Message Number 11895
|
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|
||
>Believe it or not, there are gays out there that Turtle DOESN'T like.
|
||
>Wow. Imagine that.
|
||
|
||
Something gives me the impression that whatever caused you not to
|
||
like them had nothing to do with their sexuality.
|
||
|
||
This topic reminds me of someone I knew: one of the best bosses I've
|
||
ever worked under was a lesbian. (This one's for you, too, Specialist!)
|
||
She was an extremely good business-person, utterly bilingual (with
|
||
staff that generally only spoke English or Spanish), and a fantastic
|
||
editor. She was a tough, determined lady who turned the newspaper
|
||
into something worth reading. So what if her lover was another female?
|
||
|
||
On the other hand, I've known several gay men who were constantly
|
||
'hitting on' anything male that moved. (Haven't noticed the equivalent
|
||
in females.) But, the majority of gay men I've met have not been pushy
|
||
about their sexuality.
|
||
/Dragonfly/
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|
||
|
||
From: DRAGONFLY
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: New Topic
|
||
Date & Time: 02/05/91 11:18:49
|
||
Message Number 11896
|
||
|
||
To be honest, i have mixed feelings on the topic as well. Personally, I
|
||
feel NO ONE should be forced into combat. (Leave soldiering to the
|
||
professionals!) But, if women want to be treated as equals, I feel there
|
||
can be no exceptions: not even combat.
|
||
|
||
It's true that on the average women aren't as strong as men. But,
|
||
NASA has shown that their endurance is about the same as men.
|
||
(Surprise!)
|
||
Sad but true: Nowadays, brainwashing is nearly an exact science.
|
||
Thanks to wonderful chemicals we have now, the strongest-willed man
|
||
can be reduced to tears.
|
||
It's true women are more likely to be raped. But I don't feel that's
|
||
sufficient reason to keep them out of combat: men can be raped, as well.
|
||
Finally, your last two points seem to be the same: It would be horrid
|
||
to see a woman die in combat. To me, it's horrid to see anyone die in
|
||
combat.
|
||
|
||
There are other issues, of course: sexual relations between the
|
||
soldiers. Would that increase or decrease morale? (Especially when
|
||
some soldiers get possessive of 'their guy' or 'their gal.') And what
|
||
about maried men in the military: wouldn't that place a strain on their
|
||
marriage? There's a lot of questions, and I have few answers.
|
||
/Dragonfly/
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|
||
|
||
From: DRAGONFLY
|
||
To: SCOTT STEEL
|
||
Subject: trivia
|
||
Date & Time: 02/05/91 11:27:24
|
||
Message Number 11897
|
||
|
||
Nope! Green was the color they decided on... Luckily, the color faded
|
||
with the episodes.
|
||
Spock was originally meant to be red. But with the spectre of
|
||
Communism looming over the horizon, (poetic, no?) the director changed
|
||
the color.
|
||
/Dragonfly/
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|
||
|
||
From: DRAGONFLY
|
||
To: MAX
|
||
Subject: Rationality
|
||
Date & Time: 02/05/91 11:34:32
|
||
Message Number 11898
|
||
|
||
My God! Y'all have gotten further into a Platonic discussion than I
|
||
could have ever dreamed! And y'all did it without my help!
|
||
/Dragonfly/
|
||
|
||
Lesse here... you were talking about people who quote authorities
|
||
and whether that is valid in arguments, right?
|
||
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||
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|
||
|
||
From: DRAGONFLY
|
||
To: MAX
|
||
Subject: Faggot friends
|
||
Date & Time: 02/05/91 11:41:23
|
||
Message Number 11899
|
||
|
||
Hmmm... I wonder what a meeting between the Specialist and Zjonni
|
||
would be like... (Hee hee hee!)
|
||
/Dragonfly/
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DRAGONFLY
|
||
To: RUFUS
|
||
Subject: Model 100
|
||
Date & Time: 02/05/91 11:44:18
|
||
Message Number 11900
|
||
|
||
Aha! But you were missing the important question: What DO you do
|
||
with a Toad Slurpee after you've gotten the secret decoder ring?
|
||
Be forewarned: the Enemy has been known to sneak transmogrifiers
|
||
into Toad Slurpees.
|
||
/Dragonfly/
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