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From: TURTLE
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To: THE SPECIALIST
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Subject: Defective...
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Date & Time: 08/16/90 22:04:17
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Message Number 7801
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>Um hmm.
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Eloquent. I like that.
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From: TURTLE
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To: THE SPECIALIST
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Subject: Really placid
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Date & Time: 08/16/90 22:04:56
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Message Number 7802
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>I have met gays who I could tell were gay.
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So have I. I have also met gays who I could /not/ tell were gay, and I'd
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be willing to bet anything you name that you couldn't either. This is a
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point you seem unwilling to concede.
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From: TURTLE
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To: THE SPECIALIST
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Subject: New fags on...
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Date & Time: 08/16/90 22:09:28
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Message Number 7803
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Come come now. The Beatles and the New Kids have plenty in common.
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They are both groups comprised of carbon-based life froms, they both
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make their living by recording sounds for sale, they both are
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idolized by half a billion young children; neither group lived in
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grass huts, habitually dined upon llama's innards, or was really into
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spontaneous combustion onstage.
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...oh, you meant comparing them /musically/? I agree.
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From: TURTLE
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To: THE SPECIALIST
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Subject: Laws of...
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Date & Time: 08/16/90 22:13:13
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Message Number 7804
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>...I don't get it...
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---
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>I still don't get it.
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Jes' bashing conservatives, Son; tryin' to imply that (a) they're not
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notorious for being the greatest force for reason in the known universe
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and (b) it's possible that more than a few of 'em may have a vested
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interest in maintaining some of the seedier aspects of the Way Things
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Are...
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From: TURTLE
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To: THE SPECIALIST
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Subject: OPINIONS
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Date & Time: 08/16/90 22:15:34
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Message Number 7805
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>...just have figured out that these people can't be helped.
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Nope, 'fraid not; looks like we all have terminal cases of open-
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mindedness...You're absolutely right, though. Hate, intolerance,
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fear, and prejudice are infinitely preferable to reason, tolerance,
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understanding, and all that hippie rot. How ever could I have thought
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different?
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From: TURTLE
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To: THE SPECIALIST
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Subject: Faith
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Date & Time: 08/16/90 22:18:18
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Message Number 7806
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The "What came first?" argument can be applied just as easily to
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one god as to many; if you're a monotheistic agnostic, then who
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created your "god" singular? Is it really that much easier to accept
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a singular entity that has existed 'forever' (whatever that means) than
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to accept a number of entities that have been around forever? Hmm...
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I bet Hindu atheists don't believe in a multitude of gods... (grin).
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From: TURTLE
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To: THE SPECIALIST
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Subject: Innovation
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Date & Time: 08/16/90 22:31:06
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Message Number 7807
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Steve Vai is the guitarist who played for David Lee Roth on his first
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solo albums and (I believe) played with Dio for a brief time. He's
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characterized most strongly by the ability to use a guitar as a
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voice synthesizer (no kidding); technically, he's very very good, if
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(in my opinion) somewhat unimaginitive.He generally seems to be more
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interested in special effects than in /music/, which is kind of
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annoying, especially in light of how good he is.
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From: TURTLE
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To: THE SPECIALIST
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Subject: Laws of...
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Date & Time: 08/16/90 22:35:11
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Message Number 7808
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>That's a liberal for you...never mind if we look like cowards...
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>etc, etc...
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Is this whole "kill-em all" gung-ho war thing a sexual thing with
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conservatives?? I think if you were thnking with the right head you'd
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realize that that's a patently absurd statement; a liberal President
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would be just as likely to repond in an agressive fashion to an act of
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agression as would a conservative. Hey, I'm a liberal, and I'm hardly a
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living icon of candle-and-sandle "flowers for everyone" philosophy!
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From: TURTLE
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To: THE SPECIALIST
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Subject: S & M
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Date & Time: 08/16/90 22:39:54
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Message Number 7809
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>This is a vote "no"...don't discuss your B&D experience...
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You know, I guessed that'd be what you said. The commentary attached
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to the answer was certainly...uh, certainly /heartfelt/, but was it
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really necessary???
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From: TURTLE
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To: THE SPECIALIST
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Subject: Nuke Kids
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Date & Time: 08/16/90 22:42:10
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Message Number 7810
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>...you want the N[K]OTB to present an image for all teens to follow?
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>Now, that IS perverse!
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Much as I hate to admit it, I find myself /agreeing/ with you on the
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subject of perversity...ack! Um...Gun Control! Gun Control!
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From: TURTLE
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To: KEN OBER
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Subject: dog
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Date & Time: 08/16/90 22:48:14
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Message Number 7811
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>...watch the Yuppie bashing!!!!!!!!
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I will have you know, Sir, that Yuppie bashing is the only form of
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bashing that is actively encouraged by the sysop of this bulletin
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board...so stick that in your tennis shoes and pump /it/ for a while!
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Thpth!
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(c) 1990 Anarchy Now, Inc. The opinions expressed do not necessarily
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reflect those of the person stating them.
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From: TURTLE
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To: BEATLE
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Subject: some thoughts
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Date & Time: 08/16/90 22:59:29
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Message Number 7813
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Hey, if I could kiss Michelle Pfeiffer, I wouldn't mind being
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condemned to making Montgomery Ward commercials afterward...
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From: ZOT GNOP
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To: THRUD
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Subject: Your daughter
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Date & Time: 08/16/90 23:57:11
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Message Number 7814
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I don't think the kid down the street sounds so bad. What kind of music
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does he listen to? (How old's your daughter anyway? Hehehehe)
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From: ZOT GNOP
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To: THE SPECIALIST
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Subject: Innovation
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Date & Time: 08/17/90 00:15:36
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Message Number 7815
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Steve Vai is an EXTREMELY competent guitarist as well as an interesting
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performer to watch. His latest album : Passion and Warfare has a number
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of highly entertaining works on it. Some of which ARE very fresh as far
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as concept and technical effects are concerned. I think Icefalcon is
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correct in his belief that Steve Vai is one of the pioneers of the music
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industry (but not nearly to the degree of Floyd or Rush). You do,
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however, have to consider the fact that Icefalcon is a guitarist as well
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and so his opinions tend to pull towards those with a high degree of
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technical ability (ie Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, and Eddie Van Halen).
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From: ZOT GNOP
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To: BEATLE
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Subject: Vai
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Date & Time: 08/17/90 00:38:59
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Message Number 7816
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Sputter sputter...Damn you...I just happened to be drinking a galss of
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water when I read your post. That's like saying The Beatles were just
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some pop band from the 60's. Grrrrrrr. Do not make generalizations like
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that unless you know what you're talking about. Since you have stated
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previously that you are stuck in the 'Pop zone', I will assume that you
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don't. Steve Vai is a 'Rock' guitarist. That is, he doesn't just play
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heavy metal, but also rock, neo-classical, and Southern blues. He almost
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has achieved (I stress the almost) a position rivaling Joe Satriani and
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Eddie Van Halen (The Ghods of Electric Guitar) with his most recent
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album.
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From: BEATLE
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To: MAX
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Subject: Nuke Kids
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Date & Time: 08/17/90 14:31:32
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Message Number 7818
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> reference to that in the last regularly-aired episode...
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I must've missed it. Geez, I wish I could fill in the rest of my Max
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Headroom collection... Anyway, Miami Vice was on Fridays at 9 AND 10 at
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different parts of the year. Dallas, as far as I can remember, has
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always been on at 9 PM.
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From: BEATLE
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To: MAX
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Subject:
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Date & Time: 08/17/90 14:34:08
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Message Number 7819
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> Bush doesn't particularly want to us them...
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A refreshing point, when you can call other BBSes in the area and the
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general concensus is "Nuke 'em 'till they GLOW!" I was surprised with
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how many people WANT that!!
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From: BEATLE
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To: TURTLE
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Subject: some thoughts
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Date & Time: 08/17/90 14:42:42
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Message Number 7820
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> I wouldn't mind being condemned to making Montgomery Ward commercials
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> afterward...
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I wouldn't mind being condemned to cleaning toilets afterward... but
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I'm really pathetic about things like that...but I digress...
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From: BEATLE
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To: ZOT GNOP
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Subject: Vai
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Date & Time: 08/17/90 14:45:09
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Message Number 7821
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> Steve Vai is a 'Rock' guitarist...
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Ghee, I hate it when I do something stupid (Which seems toincrease
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exponentially during the summer).... Anyway, thank you for setting me
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straight. I seem to be 0 for a few times making judgements based on MTV
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videos...
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From: SUNTAN
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To: THE SPECIALIST
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Subject: zip/arc
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Date & Time: 08/17/90 15:58:08
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Message Number 7822
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thanks for the help offer. my phone no. is 371-1469. I'm usually not
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in during the day but I have an ans. machine. The best time to call is
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7-7:30 am or 6p-8p. THANKS AGAIN!!! Dave G.
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From: KEN OBER
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To: TURTLE
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Subject: dog
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Date & Time: 08/17/90 18:41:24
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Message Number 7825
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> so stick that in your tennis shoes and pump /it/ for a while!
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Hey, I don't /do/ the tennis shoe thang ... I have the Cross-Training
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CXT pumps, so Thpth!
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:)
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From: KEN OBER
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To: ZOT GNOP
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Subject: Innovation
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Date & Time: 08/17/90 18:42:55
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Message Number 7826
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Oh, now I remember this Steve Vai guy .. He's the one that has that
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video with that kid in school, isn't he!? I like that video for exactly
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ONE reason -- There is a scene in there where he looks like he wants to
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be the Wizard of Time and Speed .... But that's just me....
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From: KEN OBER
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To: ALL
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Subject: What I hate
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Date & Time: 08/17/90 18:46:12
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Message Number 7827
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You know what I hate? When I spend the time Z-Batch downloading two
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files that are 700+K and will take over an hour to D/L in the first
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place, but there has to be alot of line noise that evening, and it ends
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up having 200+ errors on the download, and it takes a COUPLE HOURS to
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/finally/ download ... And when you un-warp the disk, it turns into a
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788K Lharc file that is just too big to decompress onto anything but
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a hard drive! I hate when that happens ... Espically when you don't
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have a hard drive .... Oh well .... I guess I'll have to drag it to
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Rocky's ....
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- Ken Ober
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From: BEATLE
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To: ALL
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Subject: inane lyrics
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Date & Time: 08/17/90 23:27:19
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Message Number 7828
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My search for the most inane lyrics on earth has ended. While putting
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up with my sisters dose of rap for the day, they played a video by Bell
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Biv DeVoe (and these guys are managed by the same yutz who created the
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Nuke Kids) called "Do Me". The chorus goes:
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You can do me in the morning/You can do me in the night=
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Grr... when things like that make it to Number one on at least one
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chart, I begin to worry. Why can't a song like the one that is anti-
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gang violence be a hit??
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From: TURTLE
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To: ZOT GNOP
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Subject: Innovation
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Date & Time: 08/18/90 01:56:25
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Message Number 7831
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...and presumably to guitarists of great technical ability and real
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innovation and imagination; like, say, Yngwie Malmsteen...
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From: TURTLE
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To: KEN OBER
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Subject: cat
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Date & Time: 08/18/90 01:58:38
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Message Number 7832
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>I have the Cross-Training CXT pumps, so there!
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You have hundred-dollar tennis shoes with a silly name and an equally
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silly pump, so Thpth!
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From: TURTLE
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To: BEATLE
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Subject: inane lyrics
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Date & Time: 08/18/90 02:00:17
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Message Number 7833
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>You can do me in the morning/You can do me in the night...
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That's FAR from the most inane rap lyrics I've ever heard. Who could
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forget, for example, "Boom I've got your girlfriend, uh uh I've got
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your girlfriend"? There's also the infamous "Oh so horny oh oh so
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horny oh so horny yeah yeah yeah" from 2 Live Crew, and moving out of
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rap, "I'm so hungry for your sex, yeah, I'm so hungry for your sex"
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(Lita Ford), "She loves you yeah yeah yeah, she loves you yeah yeah
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yeah" (you know who), "Slide it in, straight to the top, slide it in,
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slide it in, slide it in" (Whitesnake, who can actually produce remark-
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ably good music when they're not doing this sort of dribble), and last
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but by no means least, "You ain't nothing but a hound dog, rock and
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roll time, you ain't nothing but a hound dog, rock and roll time," which
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has a special shrine in the hallowed halls of inane drivel.
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From: THE SPECIALIST
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To: KEN OBER
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Subject: New fags on...
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Date & Time: 08/18/90 02:24:05
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Message Number 7834
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K>And not to mention the fact that one of the NFOTB is a fag....
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No shit!? Figures. Who do you think is their choreagrapher (SP!).
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From: THE SPECIALIST
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To: BIG LEW
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Subject: OPINIONS
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Date & Time: 08/18/90 02:28:42
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Message Number 7835
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TS>Are you pouting?
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Hmmm. I may be.
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(Wups! I meant to quote you, not myself!)
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BL>You are one of the reasons I sign onto this board.
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Oh, puh-leeesze. You flatter me. You like to hear some bigot bash
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gays? You say may be; I say I am. I won't debate it.
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BTW - If I have offended you, I am sorry...it was not my intention...
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sometimes I say careless things and if I said something to you,
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please! tell me. I'll explain what I meant in detail.
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From: THE SPECIALIST
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To: BIG LEW
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Subject: Truth
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Date & Time: 08/18/90 02:34:25
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Message Number 7836
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BL>Ahhhhhh, but you might - someday. See, I might be praying for you,
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BL>too. But...I don't in the same breath as for my sis -
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Yes, I might HAVE to...it may be inevitable. If you pray for me,
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then you may do so however you like (same breath or whatever). I
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appreciate the effort (if not the motive/intent) - beggars can't be
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choosy!
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May I say that you can't ignore what is happening between you & your
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sister...I hate to harp on it, but I can't help but feel for you. I
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el
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believe that Max & the rest had good ideas about supporting your sister
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now more than ever. You don't have to approve of what she does...just
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make sure that she knows that nothing has changed - you are still her
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brother. Y'know? Well, I'm afraid my advice sucks when it comes to
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matters of the heart...just not too good there. Good luck!
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From: THE SPECIALIST
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To: BEATLE
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Subject: some thoughts
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Date & Time: 08/18/90 02:44:09
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Message Number 7837
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B>The...guy who does the Montgomery Ward ads...
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Has absolutely *nothing* on Michelle Phiffer. She is one leggy
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lady. !smack, smak!
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From: THE SPECIALIST
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To: MAX
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Subject: [D
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Date & Time: 08/18/90 02:49:38
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Message Number 7838
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Ok, you want to know this:
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Why would I drop all associations with a person whom I found out
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was gay even if he was a friend?
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Look. This is not a matter for logic. I simply don't like them,
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because of what they do. If one of my friends turned out to be gay,
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well, I don't make very close ties to people...it would be easy to
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drop them. Anybody.
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And this:
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Why would homosexuality instantly negate anything else good about
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that person?
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It wouldn't. It's just that anything "good" about that person
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wouldn't matter as much as that particular thing "bad" about them.
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It would outweigh all "good" things. (Which would all be tainted
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with "bad" anyway.)
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BTW - I am not dropping this thread because I have come to a logic
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dead end...I am simply dropping it because no one wants to hear it!
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Besides, everything I say falls on (mostly) deaf ears.
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I don't need to defend my position, anyway. It's my opinion. If
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you don't like, it, *too* *bad*. (And the same for me of yours.)
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From: THE SPECIALIST
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To: MAX
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Subject: Furrys
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Date & Time: 08/18/90 02:57:51
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Message Number 7839
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M>My argument would be that Reli isn't a beast any more than an elf
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M>in a Dungeons & Dragons world would be;
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Hmm. What table do you suppose that elfs would be from? I mean
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on the species\genus\phylum\kindom whathaveyou...would they still be
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simian or sapien? I don't think that cats would be. They still fall
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into /my/ beast category.
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But, you never answered my original question, Max.
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From: THE SPECIALIST
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To: YNGLING
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Subject: Heinlein
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Date & Time: 08/18/90 03:03:59
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Message Number 7840
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Well, I'm not a fanatic (unless you count having read EVERY ONE of his
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stories fanatic) so I guess I could probably pass by on that borrow
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issue...I /do/ appreciate the offer, though.
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Probably BM will get them eventually...maybe when she shows up
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you can show her your pearly whites and insult her at the same time...
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(You know what I mean?)
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From: THE SPECIALIST
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To: TURTLE
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Subject: Laws of...
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Date & Time: 08/18/90 03:09:44
|
||
Message Number 7841
|
||
|
||
T>Jes' bashing conservatives, Son;
|
||
|
||
Hmmm...does this mean that you prejudice against conservatives?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: OPINIONS
|
||
Date & Time: 08/18/90 03:11:28
|
||
Message Number 7842
|
||
|
||
Predictable.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Faith
|
||
Date & Time: 08/18/90 03:12:49
|
||
Message Number 7843
|
||
|
||
True. Like I said, howver, it's just easeir to believe.
|
||
|
||
T>I bet Hindu atheists don't believe in a multitude of gods...
|
||
|
||
I don't understand, and even if I did, then I might reply, I'm
|
||
agnostic. Not athiest.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Steve Vai
|
||
Date & Time: 08/18/90 03:14:54
|
||
Message Number 7844
|
||
|
||
Thank you...that told me more than the other reply I got...
|
||
"He's a Heavy Metal guitarist." Thanks to him, too.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: S & M
|
||
Date & Time: 08/18/90 03:17:16
|
||
Message Number 7845
|
||
|
||
T> the commentary was /heartfelt/, but was it
|
||
T>really necessary???
|
||
|
||
Oh, yes, you bet your ass. (No pun intended.) It was very, very
|
||
necessary indeed. (Kept me from going out and killing innocent
|
||
bystanders.)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: ZOT GNOP
|
||
Subject: Innovation
|
||
Date & Time: 08/18/90 03:21:02
|
||
Message Number 7846
|
||
|
||
I can't believe you! You praise RUSH but then fail to mention the
|
||
greatest bass of all time in the same breath as Steve Vai, Joe
|
||
Satriani, and Eddie Van Halen! You FORGOT GEDDE LEE!
|
||
|
||
Gheeze! (tm) Whatsamatta whichoo! (S*it! I think I spelled his name
|
||
wrong! Oh, well, too much effort to edit)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: BEATLE
|
||
Subject:
|
||
Date & Time: 08/18/90 03:25:14
|
||
Message Number 7847
|
||
|
||
Nuke 'em 'till they GLOW.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: KEN OBER
|
||
To: ALL
|
||
Subject: On the road...
|
||
Date & Time: 08/18/90 06:57:28
|
||
Message Number 7848
|
||
|
||
New Kids On The Block fans are taking to the road! After a concert the
|
||
band's tour bus was flocked by their fan's vehicles on their way to
|
||
Knoxville, TN ... Naturally, they used their CB to call Truck Drivers
|
||
to the rescue by surrounding the bus and making a convoy....
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: KEN OBER
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: cat
|
||
Date & Time: 08/18/90 07:00:32
|
||
Message Number 7849
|
||
|
||
> You have hundred-dollar...
|
||
|
||
Actually $109
|
||
|
||
> tennis shoes with a silly pump..
|
||
|
||
No, I have the CXT's ... the CRT's are the ones for Tennis
|
||
|
||
> ... silly name ...
|
||
|
||
Hey, they're better than Nike Air Jordan's .........
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THRUD
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Laws of...
|
||
Date & Time: 08/18/90 09:07:17
|
||
Message Number 7851
|
||
|
||
And it's people like Jesse Jackson and Alan Cranston that make ME glad
|
||
that you're a pinko liberal too......
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THRUD
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Nuke Kids
|
||
Date & Time: 08/18/90 09:08:53
|
||
Message Number 7852
|
||
|
||
damn, I hate defending those musicaly inept pukes but.....
|
||
Little girls will be infatuated with media stars. Allways have been,
|
||
always will. The people I mentioned previously, Sinatra, Elvis,
|
||
McCartney, Travolta etc, were far from lilly white morally, but
|
||
that just made them more apppealing to little girls looking for
|
||
a fantasy outlet, preferably one that aggravated their parents. The
|
||
Beatles sold tons of buttons and posters 25 years ago, which probalbly
|
||
irritated the generation preceding us to no end. Todays marketing
|
||
techniques are slicker, and our kids have a few more dollars in their
|
||
pockets, so it seems more extreme, but it's just evolution of the
|
||
science of huckstering.
|
||
Official Disclaimer: The views presented here are presented in a
|
||
devils advocacy and open-minded manner. Any impression that I
|
||
like the NKOB or think their music has any value whatsoever shall
|
||
be considered proof that you are functionally illiterate.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THRUD
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Nuke Kids
|
||
Date & Time: 08/18/90 09:18:36
|
||
Message Number 7853
|
||
|
||
I don't pretend that I can slow down my daughters 'social interaction',
|
||
I just said I preferred older and simpler times. She will and has
|
||
already started 'interaction' at a rate that is frightening - have you
|
||
looked at any 13 year old boys lately. I'm just trying to convince her
|
||
(without success) that all boys are scum. I know, I used to be a boy,
|
||
and I wouldn't want her to go out with anybody like me.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THRUD
|
||
To: ZOT GNOP
|
||
Subject: Your daughter
|
||
Date & Time: 08/18/90 09:24:49
|
||
Message Number 7854
|
||
|
||
I'm sorry, but the offspring of Frost Giants and dwarfs are
|
||
physiologicaly imcompatable.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THRUD
|
||
To: MAX
|
||
Subject: moritorium
|
||
Date & Time: 08/18/90 09:33:02
|
||
Message Number 7855
|
||
|
||
You've raised some valid points about where some members of CRS are
|
||
really coming from, but the greed of the few is not a reason to ruin
|
||
the lives of the many. Yes, we're over developed. Yes, we have real
|
||
problems with public services and utilities. Yes, we've got boneheads
|
||
on the county commision. But slamming the brakes on the local economy is
|
||
not going to help anything.
|
||
Two of our commissioners came from the ranks of SOB, and found out
|
||
that solving the problems from within wasn't all that easy either. I
|
||
don't know if Eide can do any better, but he seems to have thought
|
||
these thing through a bit more thoroughly, and is concerned from a
|
||
citizens viewpoint, not a special interest. There's no denying his
|
||
intellectual standing.
|
||
One item that isn't addressed much is that we need to eliminate our
|
||
dependancy on the tourism/construction industry. Aside from some
|
||
limited agriculture, we don't have any other industry. Perhaps we
|
||
could encourage a little bit of clean industry like Manatee and Lee
|
||
counties do, so we could spread our economic base around.
|
||
My biggest problem with the moritorium is that I don't see how putting
|
||
me out of a job is going to help. The big guys can just sit back, and
|
||
either retire or invest elsewhere. Right now I work 48+ every week, pay
|
||
lots of taxes, spend all my money locally, and contribute time to
|
||
my daughters school. A moritorium would mean that I would be either
|
||
moveing, commuting mega-miles to work, or becoming a burden on society.
|
||
I don't suppose anybody would like to support my family for
|
||
a while so that I can go to school faster than 3-6 hours at a time?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: MIKE GREENAWALD
|
||
To: ...
|
||
Subject: thanks
|
||
Date & Time: 08/18/90 10:17:55
|
||
Message Number 7856
|
||
|
||
Thanks for the invitation to D and D's party at Holme.s Beach on Friday
|
||
I enjoyed myself. I am sorry that I got there late.
|
||
I was really impressed by what I saw and heard. There was no bitchen
|
||
(slang for you know what). There were about 40 people present. They
|
||
discussed legislation and social reform, the use of condoms, religious
|
||
affairs, Aids, college opening, food (really good food), business
|
||
ethics, etc.
|
||
Afterwards I went to the local bar down the road. I was approached twice
|
||
The bird who sat next to me had a slug out over a flake who walked out.
|
||
GHenerally I had a miserable time discussing gams and mamery glands on
|
||
every gal that passed. This was an evening with a cop and P. O.
|
||
who I swore came from outter space and was in heat.
|
||
Again thasnks for the invitation to D and D's party. I really enjoyed
|
||
myself there. After this no more after party bar stops even when
|
||
the locals invite.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: MIKE GREENAWALD
|
||
To: ALL
|
||
Subject: words
|
||
Date & Time: 08/18/90 10:40:31
|
||
Message Number 7857
|
||
|
||
What is the big thing about tits and gams?
|
||
I walked into the lounge with a couple of friends and all of a sudden
|
||
tits and gams are everything. Out side the lounge caseload and tickets
|
||
were the subject of the day. Is this altered reality or what?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BIG LEW
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: OPINIONS
|
||
Date & Time: 08/18/90 11:54:08
|
||
Message Number 7858
|
||
|
||
No offense taken. I said I'm getting my sense of humor back, right?!!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CRYSTAL
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: some thoughts
|
||
Date & Time: 08/18/90 16:28:39
|
||
Message Number 7860
|
||
|
||
>Hey, if I could kiss Michelle Pfeiffer, I wouldn't mind being
|
||
>condemned to making Montgomry Ward commercials afterward...
|
||
|
||
Some Turtles are so easy. I must say, sometimes you are a sad case.
|
||
|
||
* CRYSTAL *
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: inane lyrics
|
||
Date & Time: 08/18/90 21:15:41
|
||
Message Number 7861
|
||
|
||
|
||
Yes, you now havecollecting inane lyrics down to a science.
|
||
|
||
But, there is one thing you should keep in mind about songs like "She
|
||
Loves You" and "Hound Dog". Back in the 1950's and early 60's, most hit
|
||
songs were inane drivel. Actually, most stuff up through the mid-sixties
|
||
wasn't terribly intelligent. There, of course were some exceptions.
|
||
Anyway, besides "She loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah",I think Lennon and
|
||
McCartney wrote better songs (for that time) such as "I'll Be On My Way"
|
||
(which was never recorded by the Beatles... but I digress)...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Innovation
|
||
Date & Time: 08/18/90 21:22:30
|
||
Message Number 7862
|
||
|
||
> Gheeze! (tm)
|
||
|
||
Have you decided to trademark that now? You know, the same thing,
|
||
sans the "ze" has been around for a little while...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: KEN OBER
|
||
Subject: cat
|
||
Date & Time: 08/18/90 21:24:42
|
||
Message Number 7863
|
||
|
||
> the CRT's are the ones for Tennis
|
||
|
||
No, CRT's are the archai form of "computer monitors"....
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: THRUD
|
||
Subject: Nuke Kids
|
||
Date & Time: 08/18/90 21:26:17
|
||
Message Number 7864
|
||
|
||
|
||
You know, one thing about the Beatles' morality was, it didn't get out
|
||
until the initial mania had died. As far as the kids were concerned,
|
||
they were wholesome boys... Ah, well. I always overlooked their faults.
|
||
On the other hand, Ken Ober continuously calls ex-Beatles "druggies". I
|
||
proceded to call his brother a druggie on the same grounds. Needless to
|
||
say, he did not give up his claim, and he forced me to drop mine...
|
||
Grrr.....
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: THRUD
|
||
Subject: Nuke Kids
|
||
Date & Time: 08/18/90 21:29:50
|
||
Message Number 7865
|
||
|
||
> all boys are sucm...
|
||
|
||
Alright. I guess you could say that. I seem to annoyingly have no
|
||
common sense (according to some) and I'm a babbling idiot (according to
|
||
others, who seem to babble more)... but I'm polite to females. I don't
|
||
have the intentions that come with the word "scum". I'm just too shy and
|
||
inexperienced.
|
||
The point is: I don't want to be scum. I'm not scum.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: VH-1
|
||
Date & Time: 08/18/90 23:16:31
|
||
Message Number 7868
|
||
|
||
Heeheheheh...what a trip...I'm in a REAL BITCH mood, so now isn't
|
||
a good time to ask any questions...I'll answer nicely later on....
|
||
Lady]
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
To: KEN OBER
|
||
Subject: VH-1
|
||
Date & Time: 08/18/90 23:18:59
|
||
Message Number 7869
|
||
|
||
NAaaaahh....(because, actually, I had a dirty mind long before I ever
|
||
knew Turtle!)
|
||
:>
|
||
A Dirty Minded Lady
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
To: ICEFALCON
|
||
Subject: Innovation
|
||
Date & Time: 08/18/90 23:20:21
|
||
Message Number 7870
|
||
|
||
I like your style....one problem though....I really love the Floyd, too.
|
||
The Lady In Black]
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
To: YNGLING
|
||
Subject: Lacey
|
||
Date & Time: 08/18/90 23:22:10
|
||
Message Number 7871
|
||
|
||
:>...(maybe I should fax it, then? no? :> )
|
||
Lacey
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
To: RUFUS
|
||
Subject: Ziggy
|
||
Date & Time: 08/18/90 23:25:39
|
||
Message Number 7872
|
||
|
||
'Course it is!
|
||
Lacey
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
To: RUFUS
|
||
Subject: Ziggy
|
||
Date & Time: 08/18/90 23:26:54
|
||
Message Number 7873
|
||
|
||
SHoot......
|
||
Lady
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
To: SNAKEBYTE
|
||
Subject: Really placid
|
||
Date & Time: 08/18/90 23:27:32
|
||
Message Number 7874
|
||
|
||
Hi....
|
||
(there, are you happy, now? )
|
||
:)
|
||
The Lady
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Lacey
|
||
Date & Time: 08/18/90 23:30:19
|
||
Message Number 7875
|
||
|
||
.....Fuck thou.
|
||
.....The Lady
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
To: KEN OBER
|
||
Subject: VH-1
|
||
Date & Time: 08/18/90 23:31:45
|
||
Message Number 7876
|
||
|
||
Now wait just one minute....even though it's true, where do you
|
||
get off rubbing it in? HUH? ;>
|
||
Lacey
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Laws of...
|
||
Date & Time: 08/18/90 23:40:38
|
||
Message Number 7877
|
||
|
||
I don't mean to be rude, but is there anything that you DON'T have an
|
||
opinion on?
|
||
Black Magic
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: S & M
|
||
Date & Time: 08/18/90 23:41:40
|
||
Message Number 7878
|
||
|
||
YOU REALLY ARE A HEARTLESS ASSHOLE. This I DO mean, intentionally.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
To: YNGLING
|
||
Subject: Heinlein
|
||
Date & Time: 08/18/90 23:48:42
|
||
Message Number 7879
|
||
|
||
:) I don't think the Specialist takes to kindly to anything I have to
|
||
say...not that much of what I say means anything lately, anyway....
|
||
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Furrys
|
||
Date & Time: 08/19/90 00:01:27
|
||
Message Number 7881
|
||
|
||
A sapient cat is no more a beast than a human is a chimpanzee...
|
||
the fact that both beings evolved from lesse ancestors would not
|
||
negate the fact that they are *sapient*, and therefore able to reach
|
||
mutual decisions about matters like sexual intercourse, which a human
|
||
and a beast /by definition/ cannot.
|
||
|
||
...yeah, I'd sleep with Reli...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Laws of...
|
||
Date & Time: 08/19/90 00:05:50
|
||
Message Number 7882
|
||
|
||
>Hmmm...does this mean that you prejudice against conservatives?
|
||
|
||
I'm prejudiced against idiocy. In my experience, there are more morons
|
||
who call themselves conservatives than morons who consider themselves
|
||
liberals; witness Pat Robertson, Jesse Helms, Jerry Falwell, etc.
|
||
(Actually, idiocy isn't really the right word; let's call it instead
|
||
"posessing of a great deal of hypocricy and self-serving self-righteous-
|
||
ness.) This does not imply that there aren't liberals with the same
|
||
problems (Jesse Jackson, for instance); nor does it imply that all
|
||
conservatives fit that bill.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Faith
|
||
Date & Time: 08/19/90 00:09:25
|
||
Message Number 7883
|
||
|
||
Okay, that was poorly phrased, so let me try again. The gods in
|
||
which Hindu atheists don't believe are likely to be a plurality, and
|
||
(if you will) the gods whose existance Hindu agnostics aren't sure
|
||
about are also probably a multitude. The point I was trying to make
|
||
is that someone raised in a particular religious setting is very likely
|
||
to map /all/ his views onto the framework of that religion, even if he
|
||
doesn't believe in the religion itself. An agnostic in a Christian
|
||
culture will be uncertain about the existance of god; an agnostic
|
||
raised in a Hindu culture will be uncertain about the existance of the
|
||
gods. Both will probably not be aware of their bias, or, if they are,
|
||
will simply feel that the bias is the interpretation which in some way
|
||
makes more sense or seems more likely.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: S & M
|
||
Date & Time: 08/19/90 00:14:01
|
||
Message Number 7884
|
||
|
||
>(Kept me from going out and killing innocent bystanders.)
|
||
|
||
So? You've never played the ever-popular game of Innocent Bystander
|
||
before? It's fun...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: KEN OBER
|
||
Subject: cat
|
||
Date & Time: 08/19/90 00:18:17
|
||
Message Number 7885
|
||
|
||
You have hundred-dollar tennis shoes with a silly name and a silly
|
||
marketing strategy aimed at making people believe they can't be worn
|
||
while playing tennis...ya need another type of silly hundred-dollar
|
||
tennis shoes for that. And yes, the little air pump thing is
|
||
still /silly/. Me, I like the Asics Gel commercials that slam
|
||
inflatable shoes...the Asics are equally absurd as a form of footwear,
|
||
but their ads are more entertaining.
|
||
|
||
...stamp out ridiculous footwear!!!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: THRUD
|
||
Subject: Laws of...
|
||
Date & Time: 08/19/90 00:21:38
|
||
Message Number 7886
|
||
|
||
Jesse Jackson and Alan Cranston? Hey, let's not get nasty here! You
|
||
insist on hanging those losers around my neck and I'm gonna start
|
||
attacking you with the members of the Religious Right...with people
|
||
like Jim and Tammy Bakker, Oral Roberts, and Pat Robertson on your
|
||
side, I'm glad it's you and not me who's stuck on that side of the
|
||
fence, ya know?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: THRUD
|
||
Subject: Nuke Kids
|
||
Date & Time: 08/19/90 00:26:33
|
||
Message Number 7887
|
||
|
||
Yes, of course young girls are going to be enthralled with whatever
|
||
media idol gets thrust into their eager and shining little faces,
|
||
be it Elvis or the New Kids. That's kind of inevidable. I wonder,
|
||
though, at the wisdom of /preferring/ that one's young pride and joy
|
||
be infatuated with some abstract quantity like a pop idol than
|
||
a real (and accessible) person, from whom said young child can learn
|
||
more than the effectiveness of media marketing. Social skills are good
|
||
things to have, after all, and ain't nobody what's gonna pick 'em up
|
||
from the likes of the New Kids...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: MIKE GREENAWALD
|
||
Subject: words
|
||
Date & Time: 08/19/90 00:32:00
|
||
Message Number 7888
|
||
|
||
>What is the big thing about tits and gams?
|
||
|
||
Beats me. At a guess: they're the favorite topic of conversation for
|
||
those who are (a) sexually frustrated and incapable of any sort of
|
||
subtlety, grace, or any other useful skill that may help them solve
|
||
this problem; (b) /not/ sexually frustrated but not terribly secure in
|
||
their own (i) sexuality or (ii) masculinity and therefore who need to
|
||
impress those around them at all times; (c) simply unused to the novel
|
||
concept of treating women as sapient beings.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: CRYSTAL
|
||
Subject: some thoughts
|
||
Date & Time: 08/19/90 00:35:14
|
||
Message Number 7889
|
||
|
||
>Some Turtles are so easy.
|
||
|
||
Hey, I ain't easy, but I'm worth the effort! (smirk)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: BEATLE
|
||
Subject: inane lyrics
|
||
Date & Time: 08/19/90 00:36:00
|
||
Message Number 7890
|
||
|
||
>Back in the 1950's and early 60's, most hit songs were inane drivel.
|
||
|
||
And now, in the '90's, most hit songs are--guess what?--inane drivel.
|
||
|
||
>...I think Lennon and McCartney wrote better songs...
|
||
|
||
Yes, I did not mean to imply otherwise. Even groups (or individuals)
|
||
who are capable of producing remarkable music can pull the occasional
|
||
boner. Whitesnake is a good example of this sort of thing: almost all
|
||
ther songs are either exceptionally good or utterly insipid, with very
|
||
little in-between. Same with Heart; the people who recorded "These
|
||
Dreams" were also responsible for "Magic Man," which is truly a
|
||
monument to its own insipidness.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: BEATLE
|
||
Subject: Nuke Kids
|
||
Date & Time: 08/19/90 00:39:39
|
||
Message Number 7891
|
||
|
||
The Beatle's morality, or lack thereof, is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT to the
|
||
quality of their music, which is something I hope Ken is bright enough
|
||
to figure out. Music is either good or bad on its own merits, which
|
||
have nothing whatever to do with the behavior of the people who
|
||
write that music. Besides, what's he got against druggies?? Some of my
|
||
best friends are some of the most colossal stoners who ever did walk the
|
||
face of this here earth!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
Subject: VH-0
|
||
Date & Time: 08/19/90 00:43:20
|
||
Message Number 7892
|
||
|
||
>I'm in a REAL BITCH mood, so now isn't a good time to ask any
|
||
>questions?
|
||
|
||
Izzat so? Why? And what happens if I /do/ ask questions?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
Subject: Lacey
|
||
Date & Time: 08/19/90 00:45:19
|
||
Message Number 7893
|
||
|
||
>.....Fuck thou.
|
||
|
||
Don't tease, dearest.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
Subject: S & M
|
||
Date & Time: 08/19/90 00:50:09
|
||
Message Number 7895
|
||
|
||
Hey...watch the ad hminems, please! If you feel the need to attack
|
||
something, it might be preferable to target the statements or ideas
|
||
you disagree with rather than the person stating them, hmm? Name-calling
|
||
does little to enhance your position, and in most cases it doesn't even
|
||
make clear what it is that you disagree with, or why.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THRUD
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Laws of...
|
||
Date & Time: 08/19/90 09:12:53
|
||
Message Number 7896
|
||
|
||
ouch.....no please.....don't hit me with the Religious Right......or
|
||
was that a right cross.....well, that's better than your left hook.
|
||
BTW, how're your good friends Jim Wright, Tip O'Neil, ED KOCH (oops,
|
||
didn't mean to slip that one in below the belt) James Earl Carter,
|
||
Cyrus Vance, Marion Barry and Barney Frank?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THRUD
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Nuke Kids
|
||
Date & Time: 08/19/90 09:17:40
|
||
Message Number 7897
|
||
|
||
Your right to the degree that the kiddos don't actually meet or
|
||
interact with the band. However, it leads to more activities with
|
||
other girls of like interest. I believe that when 4 girls close the
|
||
door, listen to music, talk and giggle for 12 hours, there is normal
|
||
social interaction going on. Their 'hobby' or interest in music is
|
||
just as valid to them as my interests in computers, golf and footballl
|
||
are to me.
|
||
I think you've somehow gotten the impression that my daughter is
|
||
being stifled socially. Nothing could be further from the truth. I
|
||
couldn't stop her development if I wa, but it is my responsibility
|
||
to help her stay on the right track - or as close to it as possible.
|
||
One of the hardest things in the world is to convince a 13 year old
|
||
that what seems like the most important thing on earth right now won't
|
||
matter worth a damn next year.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THRUD
|
||
To: BEATLE
|
||
Subject: scum
|
||
Date & Time: 08/19/90 09:29:42
|
||
Message Number 7898
|
||
|
||
I didn't mean to imply that you personally are scum. However, to the
|
||
best of my recollection, when I was a teenager I only had one erection -
|
||
it lasted for seven years. My main channels of thought were girls, how
|
||
to get my hands on girls, how to get a better look at girls, etc, etc.
|
||
I'm not saying all boyare like this, just all the ones I grew up with.
|
||
While this is perfectly normal, so is the paternal instinct to hold
|
||
the teenage hormone monsters at bay. Parenting is one of those things
|
||
that you don't understand until you try it, and then you REALLY don't
|
||
understand.
|
||
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: YNGLING
|
||
To: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
Subject: Lacey
|
||
Date & Time: 08/19/90 10:00:36
|
||
Message Number 7899
|
||
|
||
Dearest,
|
||
Forget the FAX...would you consider FedEx'ing it? ;>
|
||
The Yngling
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: inane lyrics
|
||
Date & Time: 08/19/90 12:54:44
|
||
Message Number 7901
|
||
|
||
> Yes, I did not mean to imply otherwise...
|
||
|
||
Yeah, I know. I just was referring to the fact that at the same time
|
||
that Lennon/McCartney wrote "She Loves You" "Love Me Do" and "I Want to
|
||
Hold Your Hand", they did write something that was real nice, yet they
|
||
gave it away to another group.
|
||
|
||
> today...inane drivel...
|
||
|
||
Yes, but back in the 50's and 60's, weren't there fewer alternatives
|
||
to inane drivel??
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: THRUD
|
||
Subject: scum
|
||
Date & Time: 08/19/90 12:59:57
|
||
Message Number 7902
|
||
|
||
> I only had one erction - it lasted for seven years...
|
||
|
||
Gheee... That must've been tough. (I mean that in a humourous, not
|
||
insulting way... I get the point too...)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: MAX
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: inane lyrics
|
||
Date & Time: 08/19/90 16:57:05
|
||
Message Number 7903
|
||
|
||
That's "You ain't nothin' but a hound dog/cryin' all the time," you
|
||
tuneless twit. Elvis' songs were generallwritten before the time of
|
||
complete incoherency in rock music. They were usually bad for other
|
||
reasons (repeating the above line three times and ending with "You ain't
|
||
nothin' but a hound dog and you ain't no friend of mine" hardly
|
||
qualifies as Don Henley, or even Bruce Springsteen on an off day), but
|
||
what little thought went into them was generally expressed in complete
|
||
sentences.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: MAX
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: New fags on...
|
||
Date & Time: 08/19/90 17:00:32
|
||
Message Number 7904
|
||
|
||
The New Kids' choreographer is Paula Abdul. While I generally avoid
|
||
reading much about them, I haven't seen anything to back up Ken's
|
||
assertion that one of them is homosexual -- in fact, I haven't seen much
|
||
to indicate they're bisexual, heterosexual or any kind of sexual at
|
||
all, although one of them has a girlfriend. Did it occur to you that
|
||
Ken is probably yanking your admittedly large chain on the subject of
|
||
homosexuality? He's just more subtle about it than AJ is (if that
|
||
message about hard bodies wasn't written with the intention of setting
|
||
you off, I don't know what was).
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: MAX
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: [D
|
||
Date & Time: 08/19/90 17:06:21
|
||
Message Number 7905
|
||
|
||
If you've never made a tie close enough that breaking it would hurt,
|
||
it sounds like you lead a fairly lonely life. Just an observation. I
|
||
simply think there are some assumptions you're working on that you
|
||
refuse to question. It's more comfortable NOT to question those
|
||
assumptions, especially seeing as you've had them for all your life.
|
||
But assertions like "homosexuality is so bad it would outweigh all
|
||
good things, which would all be tainted with 'bad' anyway" are
|
||
disturbing to me on a different level than "The Specialist doesn't
|
||
agree with me and I think he's wrong."
|
||
Honestly, I don't see how I /could/ think less of someone's art,
|
||
his writing, his music, his conversation and company -- and his
|
||
friendship -- if I found out that he was bisexual or homosexual. What
|
||
does the one have to do with the rest? Assuming he's not making a
|
||
pass at me (which has never happened), why should I be bothered?
|
||
I have never understood how it's possible to hate another human
|
||
being who hasn't done something to you, or to people you care about,
|
||
unless you're talking about a mass murderer. Most people I know who
|
||
hate a group based on a prejudice dehumanize them in some way, because
|
||
it makes it easier. They're niggers, or kikes, ...or fags. But not
|
||
human beings who have a different skin color, religion, or sexuality
|
||
from the haters'. This is one of the most dangerous attitudes a
|
||
person can have. I *have* seen your side; I was there about seven years
|
||
ago, until I thought through what I just said, and met a few "fags"
|
||
who were too human to be monsters. So when you say 'why can't you see
|
||
my point,' I have. I just came to the conclusion that it's extremely
|
||
unfair and potentially destructive, and -- to me -- felt as immoral as
|
||
I perceive groups like the White Aryan Resistance to be.
|
||
So why aren't you willing to consider my point? Have you had some
|
||
bad experience with one gay you're abstracting to others? Or do you
|
||
prefer hating them because it's the easiest thing to do?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: MAX
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Furrys
|
||
Date & Time: 08/19/90 17:22:58
|
||
Message Number 7906
|
||
|
||
Elves are fantasy creatures, so I have no idea what they'd be like
|
||
genetically. Reli would have as much in common with your pet Persian
|
||
Fluffy as you do with Koko the gorilla; logically, if she's a beast,
|
||
then so are humans, because they're both equally removed from their
|
||
ancestors. (Of course, it's been argued by others that humans are
|
||
beasts anyway, so who knows.)
|
||
|
||
If you mean I didn't answer your original question as to whether or not
|
||
I could have sex with Reli -- yes, I did: on the Armadillo Connection's
|
||
"Mythagoras" base. I answered it in some detail, in fact. The short
|
||
form is that yes, I most certainly could. Whether or not I would is
|
||
a different question entirely, however, and one that I could not
|
||
honestly answer.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: MAX
|
||
To: THRUD
|
||
Subject: Laws of...
|
||
Date & Time: 08/19/90 17:36:42
|
||
Message Number 7907
|
||
|
||
Given a choice between Jimmy Carter and Jerry Falwell, I'd choose Carter
|
||
any day. Of course, I /like/ Carter. I'm glad he's not president
|
||
anymore, mind you, but I like him. I have to wonder if, thirty years
|
||
from now, when history books look back at the late 20th century,
|
||
Carter will be considered a better president than Reagan. Carter lost
|
||
the election mostly due to the stupidly-conceived hostage rescue
|
||
mission (although to be fair, the idea of sending in a commando squad
|
||
sounds closer to a Clint Eastwood movie than the lily-livered "send
|
||
flowers, not guns" approach most liberals are accused of); now that
|
||
the heat of the moment has died down, his popularity is rising again.
|
||
True, his adminstration can be summed up by "In the White House during
|
||
the years 1976-1980, nothing happened," but 30 years from now, the
|
||
Reagan administration will be remembered mostly for increasing the
|
||
deficit by an order of magnitude, and--something that hasn't really
|
||
sunk in yet ANYWHERE, liberals or otherwise--having the most corrupt
|
||
staff in the nation's history. "But gosh, he shore looked good on
|
||
telly-vision."
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: KEN OBER
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Nuke Kids
|
||
Date & Time: 08/20/90 01:03:49
|
||
Message Number 7911
|
||
|
||
Yes, but did your friends sing music that obviously glamorized drugs,
|
||
and had it played on the radio all over the country?
|
||
|
||
(Damn, and I'll be out of town for a week .. Grrr .. Can't see responses
|
||
to this message ... oh well ..._
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: VH-0
|
||
Date & Time: 08/20/90 11:21:48
|
||
Message Number 7915
|
||
|
||
Hehehe...you tested me! HMPH! :> I'm in a better mood now, so I
|
||
can't really answer that question properly.
|
||
The Lady
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Lacey
|
||
Date & Time: 08/20/90 11:22:41
|
||
Message Number 7916
|
||
|
||
THPH!
|
||
Lady
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: S & M
|
||
Date & Time: 08/20/90 11:23:15
|
||
Message Number 7917
|
||
|
||
Tough shit...I'm pissed off, not at an action, but at a person. I
|
||
don't plan on NOT letting that person know...get the picture...
|
||
Lady
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
To: YNGLING
|
||
Subject: Lacey
|
||
Date & Time: 08/20/90 11:25:14
|
||
Message Number 7918
|
||
|
||
:)
|
||
Lacey
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SNAKEBYTE
|
||
To: AJ-<TOPGUN>-
|
||
Subject: Association
|
||
Date & Time: 08/20/90 12:22:44
|
||
Message Number 7920
|
||
|
||
>I live in the same society and have to deal with them.
|
||
|
||
How do YOU "deal" with them??? Just curious.....
|
||
|
||
>Sysop of ALTnet BBS
|
||
|
||
What's the number???? Probably listed around, I just don't look where
|
||
I'm supposed to. Don't read instructions often either...<grin>.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SNAKEBYTE
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Association
|
||
Date & Time: 08/20/90 12:25:15
|
||
Message Number 7921
|
||
|
||
Get some sleep now, I think this topic is as well....<yawn>...ooops,
|
||
its only 12noon, rough night. I *HATE* anything that has to do with
|
||
abuse or mis-treatment of children. Saw a special on the news the other
|
||
night about some country that has thousands of abandoned children with
|
||
AIDS and they are just penned up in cribs in hospital rooms and
|
||
ignored until they die. These kids were only 1 or 2 years old. This
|
||
guy was trying to make them feel a little loved before they pass away
|
||
and just looking at these kids tore me up inside. I even slept with
|
||
mine that night, felt good to be with 'em. Man can be a really
|
||
heartless bastard at times.......<sob>
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SNAKEBYTE
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Moral/Popular
|
||
Date & Time: 08/20/90 12:32:19
|
||
Message Number 7922
|
||
|
||
I guess in the long run (or the short run) unless you're yelling
|
||
"WRONG" and I'm yelling "RIGHT" then we're both one the same side...
|
||
...that is the OUTSIDE looking in observing the topic and talking
|
||
about it rather omnipotently. I like that. Too many people discuss a
|
||
topic and think they're out to prove the opponent WRONG and feel hurt
|
||
unless they sway them into "their" beliefs.....too bad. All I need to
|
||
know is my opinion is right for me. If I learn otherwise, I'll change
|
||
my opinion <grin>.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SNAKEBYTE
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Animalism?
|
||
Date & Time: 08/20/90 12:37:30
|
||
Message Number 7923
|
||
|
||
I guess the chances of UN-pithing a frog are pretty slim. I used to deal
|
||
with Carolina Biological Supply who is one of the countries biggest
|
||
suppliers of disecting specimens. The stuff they dealt with was unreal.
|
||
They would be sending out truck loads of fetal pigs, squid, rabbits,
|
||
frogs, fish...etc,etc,etc. I wonder how many people you could feed
|
||
with that much stuff if it weren't being butchered by high school
|
||
kids??? Just how much education do you think that contributes too?
|
||
What are the chances of numbing a childs fear of carving up an animal
|
||
by MAKING him/her do it in school???
|
||
|
||
"Bobby, where's Spot??? He hasn't eaten his supper...."
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SNAKEBYTE
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: Moral/Popular
|
||
Date & Time: 08/20/90 12:42:59
|
||
Message Number 7924
|
||
|
||
>normal "bloodthirsty".....repulsive
|
||
|
||
Know exactly what you mean!!! We did a project in high school of making
|
||
a movie that was a take off of the Grapes of Wrath. Had some film left
|
||
over so we shot about twenty minutes in the biology lab with kids
|
||
dancing their half-disected rabbits around on the table...guts hangin'
|
||
out and stuff. Put it in as an intermission show, kids loved it,
|
||
teachers hated it. Kind of sick, but hell, that's life...er, death.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: ICEFALCON
|
||
Subject: Innovation
|
||
Date & Time: 08/20/90 17:59:49
|
||
Message Number 7925
|
||
|
||
AhemWhile I adre Steve Vai (fellow string banger and what all) I
|
||
would hesitate to put him in the same league as Pink Floyd simply
|
||
because they advance music on many fronts while he still masters and
|
||
pushes the guitar to the limits. Depeche Mode is very original but
|
||
suffer from the desire to cater to the dance crowd.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: BIG LEW
|
||
Subject: Truth
|
||
Date & Time: 08/20/90 18:02:33
|
||
Message Number 7926
|
||
|
||
BL>tI believe it is the true Christian's obligation to convert non-belie
|
||
|
||
Sorry Lew, it is your job simply to spread the Word. In no where does
|
||
it state that you are capable of "converting" anyone. It is very
|
||
plain that you are simply to present the facts and let God do the rest.
|
||
It is also stated that a person is convicted of the Holy Spirit.
|
||
I guess what I'm trying to say in a nutshell is that you are a messenger
|
||
nothing more nothing less. That's why the Lord told the 70 he sent out
|
||
to state the Word and if they were not accepted, to leave shaking the
|
||
dust from their sandals to show that they were rejected in turn.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
Subject: Association
|
||
Date & Time: 08/20/90 18:07:59
|
||
Message Number 7927
|
||
|
||
'Tis true, I personally have found that the real weirdos that are
|
||
heavy into S&M have this really peculiar idea that if they persist
|
||
you will somehow "learn" to like it. I liken it to the old male
|
||
fallacy that "every woman wants ""IT"" and secretly enjoy rape.
|
||
That earns my * Unmitigated Bullshit * (tm) stamp every time. Really
|
||
makes you wonder if there is a relationship between the two ....
|
||
I *do* enjoy feathers tho...
|
||
:) JonBoy
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
Subject: Lacey
|
||
Date & Time: 08/20/90 18:11:46
|
||
Message Number 7928
|
||
|
||
* Sighhhh * And I had such enjoyable visions of a suddenly liberated
|
||
gal giving an impromptu burlesque to an awed, amazed and appreciative
|
||
audience of lust crazed adolescents! Why ain't reality any *fun*???
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: RUFUS
|
||
Subject: VH-1
|
||
Date & Time: 08/20/90 18:20:50
|
||
Message Number 7929
|
||
|
||
R>What look is the wood nymph look? I've seen two or three nice lookin'
|
||
R>wood nymphs, but what look are /you/ talking about?
|
||
|
||
Gee, I wouldn't want to make you feel left out or anything...
|
||
Actually - if you've seen and recognized a wood nymph - this is a moot
|
||
point as you obviously zeroed in on that "wood nymph look".
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: SNAKEBYTE
|
||
Subject: Zappa
|
||
Date & Time: 08/20/90 18:25:00
|
||
Message Number 7930
|
||
|
||
SB>Hey, don't think Zappa is out there to just make a joke with his
|
||
SB>music. He jams out
|
||
|
||
Now did /I/ ever give the impression that he is a joke? Fact: Frank
|
||
Zappa is considered one of the top ten guitar players in the world
|
||
in a Rolling Stone survey (many years ago - granted).
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: MAX
|
||
Subject: Defective...
|
||
Date & Time: 08/20/90 18:36:13
|
||
Message Number 7931
|
||
|
||
MAX>> I have no tolerance for lima beans...
|
||
|
||
I'm sorry Max - that's really perverse! I mean, baby Limas soaked
|
||
in a butter sauce - Mmmmmm Mmmmmmm! Served up with pork chops and
|
||
mashed taters..... Hot damn!
|
||
|
||
Not to throw too much gas on the fire but of all the lesbians I've
|
||
known - most have been the butch variety. Of the males - it's
|
||
about even up. I think that it is a mistake to attack the stereotypes
|
||
because even in the gay community they are used to describe the "type"
|
||
of person they are between themselves. A curious thought that maybe
|
||
AJ can answer for me: Could it be that this is used as "internal"
|
||
type talk and that it is OK for an "insider" to use the terms but they
|
||
are hated when used by "others". I know for example that while the
|
||
term "nigger" is universally despised when used by a non-negro, negros
|
||
use the term as a personal derogatory bereft (sp?) of connotations.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Bias in bias
|
||
Date & Time: 08/20/90 18:48:55
|
||
Message Number 7932
|
||
|
||
TS>I could continue to argue ... I am not going to argue with you
|
||
|
||
I understand my friend. You feel that you have a valid opinion and
|
||
indeed, whether I or anyone else disagrees with it, it /is/ your
|
||
belief and you are entitled to it. I would merely ask that you never
|
||
use your bias in an overt act of hostility. We are all people and
|
||
no one deserves to be slammed over what and who they are.
|
||
|
||
JonBoy
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: coprocessors
|
||
Date & Time: 08/20/90 18:53:58
|
||
Message Number 7933
|
||
|
||
Speaking of OrCAD - I found something that you do /not/ want to repeat.
|
||
I used the DXF driver to export a printed circuit silkscreen to Corel
|
||
Draw running under Windows 3.0. I wanted to use it in the docs for
|
||
this circuit I just built for a company - anyway. My God! On a 386
|
||
machine loading from a hard drive it took 35 minutes to digest the
|
||
damned thing! Then after editing it took another 25 minutes to print
|
||
it with the printmanager on top priority. Yech ! Barf@ I *hate*
|
||
MSDOS some days. My only consolation: what other machine can I afford
|
||
that lets me do these things?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: S & M
|
||
Date & Time: 08/20/90 19:00:52
|
||
Message Number 7934
|
||
|
||
TS>Oh, you're so sick! Just...arrgh! Disgusting! Repugnant! AUGH!
|
||
|
||
Well... I guess this is sufficient repudiation of my earlier message.
|
||
Sighhh...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Innovation
|
||
Date & Time: 08/20/90 19:13:23
|
||
Message Number 7935
|
||
|
||
T>He generally seems to be more interested in special effects than in /
|
||
T>/music/,
|
||
|
||
Ummm Steve Vai is, as you say, damned good. It so happens that he is
|
||
capable of far more than his "employers" (DLR, WhiteSnake etc) really
|
||
use. If you would like a good exposure to the types of music that he
|
||
is capable of listen to the music in a movie :"CrossRoads". He played
|
||
all the guitar except the inimitable slide guitar of Ry Cooder. He
|
||
admits that he gained his technical expertise from countless hours
|
||
of transcribing /other/ peoples music.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: inane lyrics
|
||
Date & Time: 08/20/90 19:21:32
|
||
Message Number 7936
|
||
|
||
My favorite from Paul Kantner and Grace Slick from the albumn
|
||
:Baron von TollBooth and the Chrome Nun".
|
||
Seven Inches of Pleasure - seven inches going home
|
||
Somebody must have neasured - All the way down the old bone.
|
||
|
||
(Now we are *really* talking trivia here!)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: THRUD
|
||
Subject: Laws of...
|
||
Date & Time: 08/20/90 21:04:39
|
||
Message Number 7937
|
||
|
||
Ooooooh.....so now ya wanna fight dirty, huh? Well, while I'm giving my
|
||
regards to my "friends," perhaps you should send my best to
|
||
Charles H. Keating, Jr, Neil Bush, Richard Milhaus Nixon, Edwin Meese,
|
||
and particularly to David Duke, okay?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: BEATLE
|
||
Subject: inane lyrics
|
||
Date & Time: 08/20/90 21:17:59
|
||
Message Number 7938
|
||
|
||
>Yes, but back in the 50's and 60's, weren't there fewer alternatives
|
||
>to inane drivel??
|
||
|
||
Well, I wasn't around in the 50's and wasn't sapient in the 60's, so
|
||
it's hard to say. It seems that little in the way of really interesting
|
||
music has survived the 50's and 60's--but then again, groups like
|
||
Jethro Tull and Pink Floyd were getting started in the 60's, so perhaps
|
||
the picture wasn't as dismal as all that.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
Subject: VH-7
|
||
Date & Time: 08/20/90 21:26:25
|
||
Message Number 7939
|
||
|
||
>Hehehe...you tested me!
|
||
|
||
Of course.
|
||
|
||
>HMPH!
|
||
|
||
Thpth.
|
||
|
||
>I'm in a better mood now...
|
||
|
||
...so you'll be more civil to me next time we converse?? :) (All right,
|
||
all right, that's unfair, but hey, so am I.)
|
||
|
||
By the way, your cat likes me...can I adopt him?? Please??
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
Subject: S & M
|
||
Date & Time: 08/20/90 21:29:41
|
||
Message Number 7940
|
||
|
||
There are ways to tell someone you find his views unacceptable, or
|
||
childish, or whatever, without simply calling him an asshole. I would
|
||
definitely prefer that we keep the name-slinging down, or at least make
|
||
it somewhat more creative, okay?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: SNAKEBYTE
|
||
Subject: Association
|
||
Date & Time: 08/20/90 21:32:07
|
||
Message Number 7941
|
||
|
||
>Saw a special on the news the other night about some country that has
|
||
>thousands of abandoned children with AIDS...
|
||
|
||
Rumania. The country in question has a really backward medical
|
||
establishment; in addition to having no sanitary facilities to speak of,
|
||
they have a tradition that weak or sickly children are injected with
|
||
small quantities f blood from a healthy adult on the theory that this
|
||
will strengthen them (much as eating a lion's heart gives a tribal
|
||
warrior the strength of the lion, etc.) Result: A large number of
|
||
children with hepatitis, AIDS, and other blood-borne illnesses you
|
||
normally wouldn't think a child would be exposed to.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: SNAKEBYTE
|
||
Subject: Animalism?
|
||
Date & Time: 08/20/90 21:37:43
|
||
Message Number 7942
|
||
|
||
Carolina Biological Supply is a truly amazing thing, and I mean that in
|
||
the worst possible way. You have to wonder what, exactly, is being
|
||
accomplished by taking a bunch of high-school students and turning
|
||
them loose on a bunch of frogs--if the state of American education as
|
||
compared to any other country's is any indication, it sure isn't
|
||
producing more educated people. Hell--a lot of high-school students know
|
||
so little about biology that they don't even associate sex with
|
||
reproduction; turning these people loose on helpless amphibians doesn't
|
||
seem likely to instill a thorough understanding of basic physiology...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: Defective...
|
||
Date & Time: 08/20/90 21:47:10
|
||
Message Number 7943
|
||
|
||
>...of all the lesbians I've known - most have been of the "butch"
|
||
>variety.
|
||
|
||
Really? Lucky you--of all the lesbians (and female bisexuals) I've known
|
||
*not one* has matched that stereotype. In fact, a significant percentage
|
||
has been about as far from that stereotype as it's possible to get and
|
||
still be a mammalian biped...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: coprocessors
|
||
Date & Time: 08/20/90 21:50:24
|
||
Message Number 7944
|
||
|
||
>My only consolation: what other machine can I afford that lets me do
|
||
>these things?
|
||
|
||
Well, lesse. DEC's just dropped the price of their DECstation RISC
|
||
machines to about $5900 for the whole kit 'n' kaboodle (including
|
||
8MB of RAM, ULTRIX license, even the friggin' monitor!), which is a
|
||
lot less than most 386 machines. Or there's always an Amiga...
|
||
|
||
...btw, a friend of mine (the one whose Amiga I was babysitting over the
|
||
summer) wants to put a 68030 processor card in the sucker now...14.977
|
||
MIPS for $1700. Pretty cool, neh?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: KEN OBER
|
||
Subject: Nuke Kids
|
||
Date & Time: 08/20/90 22:36:46
|
||
Message Number 7945
|
||
|
||
> did your friends sing music that obviously glamorized drugs, and had
|
||
> it played on the radio all over the country?
|
||
|
||
Grrrr.... I'd like to rip your head off... Actually, you are quite
|
||
annoyingly correct on a few topics, but you are obviously uninformed on
|
||
that particular statement. I asked you to come up with ONE song that
|
||
glamorized drugs, and you said "Lucy In the Sky With Diamonds", and the
|
||
case for that advocating drug use is about the same as saying Judas
|
||
Priest's "Better By You...(whatever the song was)" advocates suicide.
|
||
You could argue that the Beatles music was INFLUENCED by drug use, but
|
||
that's a whole different ball game...
|
||
|
||
Gee, and I've probably just wasted space in the message base...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: SNAKEBYTE
|
||
Subject: Moral/Popular
|
||
Date & Time: 08/20/90 22:44:09
|
||
Message Number 7946
|
||
|
||
> Kids loved it, teachers hated it. Kind of sick, but...that's life...
|
||
|
||
Yeah. I just don't like people who get so into slasher pics an things
|
||
like that, that they don't have any qualms at all about cutting up
|
||
animals. God, I didn't really want to do it, and all through it, it was
|
||
not the best thing to do in school, but it IS better to learn by doing
|
||
than looking. Not to mention that NONE of the diagrams we looked at
|
||
looked ANYTHING like the insides of the animals we dissected...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: -*ALL*-
|
||
Subject: Nightmare
|
||
Date & Time: 08/21/90 00:55:08
|
||
Message Number 7947
|
||
|
||
Speaking of New Kids on the Block, which some of us have been, and
|
||
bad music in general, I had a nightmare I'd like to share with y'all
|
||
that's kind of germane to the subject. See, I dreamed I was dragged by
|
||
a friend to a concert by a man I'd never heard of before; the gentleman
|
||
walked onstage and opened his show with the crowd-pleasing statement
|
||
"I may be a Christian and a country singer, but I know how to rap!"
|
||
|
||
AAAAAAIIIIIIIGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: XTEVE
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: hardcards/orcad
|
||
Date & Time: 08/21/90 12:07:58
|
||
Message Number 7949
|
||
|
||
Hello, I should have the orcad drivers today or tomorrow, give me a
|
||
call on voice line, ok? I don't have your phone number so if you could
|
||
leave it on my answering machine that would be cool. my # is 351-7726.
|
||
By the way, I called Plus tech support and they said they'd send me a
|
||
free replacement for my hardcard! Pretty amazing considering I'm not
|
||
even the original owner. It's probably a refurbished model or something
|
||
by it's guaranteed for another two years, so i'm not complaining. They
|
||
definitely know how to keep their customers. (I was pretty perturbed
|
||
to begin with when I found out that their tech support line was a "900"
|
||
number. No sexy babes answered either...
|
||
Yeah, i think I did tell Charles that you sent me.
|
||
AutoCad 10 worked great on my machine for a good two minutes with the co
|
||
processor (then my hardcard stuck).
|
||
I won't need an epson either since I now can use the IBM Graphics driver
|
||
. well, see ya! -Xteve
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: YNGLING
|
||
To: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
Subject: Lacey
|
||
Date & Time: 08/21/90 15:09:07
|
||
Message Number 7953
|
||
|
||
Dearest Lady,
|
||
How come it takes you so long to get around to reading your private
|
||
mail?
|
||
The Yngling
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: MAX
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: Defective...
|
||
Date & Time: 08/21/90 15:51:03
|
||
Message Number 7954
|
||
|
||
The stereotype of the butch or queen is worth attacking for the same
|
||
reason that any other stereotype is. Yes, there are some who conform
|
||
to it, or it wouldn't have become a stereotype; but when people take
|
||
the stereotype as fact, they can dismiss /everyone/ of that sexual
|
||
orientation -- or color, religion, sex, etc. -- based on it. Look at
|
||
some of the conversation back on this board: because the stereotype of
|
||
the lisping Liberace lover has been presented as fact, too many people
|
||
are quite willing to assume that ALL homosexuals and bisexuals are
|
||
that way. Take 95YNF's "Dykes on Bikes" (please). It's funny on some
|
||
occasions... but it's funny because of that stereotype. It doesn't
|
||
exactly encourage thinking of lesbians as people... and that's the
|
||
danger I see in any stereotype: it dehumanizes the target. Hell, even
|
||
people who DO conform to a few aspects of a given stereotype are often
|
||
worth knowing if you get past that stereotype. If the stereotype
|
||
wasn't encouraged or taken seriously in the first place, it won't be
|
||
there to "get past"... and it probably won't be missed.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: MAX
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: coprocessors
|
||
Date & Time: 08/21/90 15:58:19
|
||
Message Number 7955
|
||
|
||
There is an OrCAD-type product in beta test for the Amiga right now.
|
||
The expected release price is around $400 or so. AmigaDOS 2.0 is
|
||
better than Windows 3.0 anyway... not that saying that is saying a
|
||
whole lot, I suppose. Turtle tells me that it's actually an extremely
|
||
usuable GUI, though, and unlike any of the MS-DOS ones I've seen (and
|
||
the earlier Amiga versions), it will work with /any/ program for the
|
||
DOS, including ones that don't have icon files associated with them.
|
||
You can launch programs with the mouse as background tasks, lots of
|
||
other little gadgets floating around, and it runs about 4x faster than
|
||
the old versions of AmigaDOS, too.
|
||
But anyway, there's a printed circuit designer that's supposed to
|
||
be professional-level coming out for the Amiga shortly. Time will
|
||
tell....
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THRUD
|
||
To: MAX
|
||
Subject: Laws of...
|
||
Date & Time: 08/21/90 16:41:09
|
||
Message Number 7956
|
||
|
||
Sure, how could you not like Jimmy Carter. He's a regular guy. He lives
|
||
his ideals - habitat et al. He honestly wants to do good in the world,
|
||
and works for fairness and justice. This all makes him a good Christian
|
||
and a good 'elder statesman.' However, that dosn't, or didn't make him
|
||
a good leader or president. He was too much of a nice guy, a patsy.
|
||
While I don't want to get into a chain where I have to defend RWR, the
|
||
initial reason for the massive deficiet spending of the '80s was to pull
|
||
us out of the inflation and unemployment of the '70s. Carter's economic
|
||
policy was um....uh.....let's wait and see.
|
||
I've usually agreed with the conservative ideas that came with teh
|
||
Reagan administration, but was never particularly fond of him or his
|
||
management style. I think he was overwhelmed by the office, and wound
|
||
up delegating a lot of authority to people who did not serve him or the
|
||
country well. The main reason he was so popular was that people tend to
|
||
not look past their driveways where politics are concerned - if your
|
||
wallet is in good shape, the frig is full and there are two cars in the
|
||
driveway, then the government (president) must be doing a good job.
|
||
I think George may be the best pres we've had lately. He's had the
|
||
widest range of experience across the entire spectrum of govt service
|
||
of any recent pres, as well as a higher IQ.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: inane lyrics
|
||
Date & Time: 08/21/90 20:17:27
|
||
Message Number 7957
|
||
|
||
T>"Magic Man," which is truly a monument to its own insipidness.
|
||
|
||
Ohhhh, but I *love* that acoustic intro! Ann Wilson can play her ass
|
||
off and is in my book as a top-notch guitarist! I was really shocked
|
||
to see how dowdy that Nancy is starting to look. I met them once in
|
||
Wilmington N.C, of all places...
|
||
|
||
A Guitar-playin JonBoy
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: THRUD
|
||
Subject: scum
|
||
Date & Time: 08/21/90 20:22:21
|
||
Message Number 7958
|
||
|
||
T>Parenting is one of those things that you don't understand ...
|
||
|
||
Not to mention that studies show that a very significant factor in
|
||
father-daughter relationships is the hidden sexual aspect. I personally
|
||
was shocked to find that a lot of fathers (like statistically most)
|
||
surreptitiously study their daughter's budding sexuality and have
|
||
tension due to conflicting emotions. The problem (theorize here) is tha
|
||
that a loving relationship exists and the libidos of both people get
|
||
stimulated and confused and sometimes mistakenly identified as sexual
|
||
attraction.
|
||
Matter of fact I performed a very impromptu survey of females that I
|
||
knew after I read the article - wow! Most of the girls related stories
|
||
of their dad "accidentally" walking in on them at baths, peeking down
|
||
their blouses, pinching their breasts with lewd (albeit, paternalistic)
|
||
comments and more than I can relate here.
|
||
|
||
JonBoy
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: BEATLE
|
||
Subject: inane lyrics
|
||
Date & Time: 08/21/90 20:29:55
|
||
Message Number 7959
|
||
|
||
From what my dad related to me - life in the 50's /WAS/ inane drivel!
|
||
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Defective...
|
||
Date & Time: 08/21/90 20:41:16
|
||
Message Number 7960
|
||
|
||
t>Really? Lucky you--
|
||
|
||
Now be nice... the funniest gal I ever met was at a Denny's at 2:30
|
||
in the morning last January. She was raising hell with a couple of
|
||
cowboys that were moving in on "her girls" (she had 3 lovers!!!!).
|
||
Me and my buddy and a girl that was with me moved over to their table
|
||
for moral support (at first we only saw 2 rednecks and 4 babes). She
|
||
told us if we though /we/ were gonna move in on her gals we better
|
||
leave. Tara explained that we were there to discourage the rednecks so
|
||
she mellowed out. Jan fascinated me...she had cultivated "butchism"
|
||
to an extreme including a very deep gravelly voice. I asked her why
|
||
and she floored me with her answer... "It get the babe's attention".
|
||
She was a really funny and entertaining person but after I got to
|
||
know her a little better (she was a very shy reclusive person) she
|
||
was shown to be a very tragic personality. She moved out of state when
|
||
two of her lovers left for Salt Lake City but the couple of months that
|
||
I knew her (we set up Saturday nites at Denny's for party time) she
|
||
was never ever caught out of context.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: coprocessors
|
||
Date & Time: 08/21/90 20:49:49
|
||
Message Number 7961
|
||
|
||
Well, I have $1600 in my 16 Mhz 286 with VGA and 85 MB hard drive. An
|
||
Amiga would cost several hundred more and does /NOT/ have any engineerin
|
||
or good CAD programs available. Not to mention compatibility with anyon
|
||
else. Personally I would love one of the DECStations with Ultrix and
|
||
their 600 MB CDROM with MSDOS executable as a window - the best of all
|
||
worlds but it weighs in at $12,000. I am not, never have been and never
|
||
will be a computer bigot. They all have things to recommend them and
|
||
serve a useful purpose if only to play games on. I just wish I could
|
||
have one of everything. I'd love an Amiga for the MIDI and graphics
|
||
alone!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: BEATLE
|
||
Subject: Innovation
|
||
Date & Time: 08/21/90 21:58:13
|
||
Message Number 7962
|
||
|
||
"Gheeze" and "Armadillo Connection" are trademarks of Ken Ober
|
||
Enterprizes. I was simply avoiding a lawsuit.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: MAX
|
||
Subject: Laws of...
|
||
Date & Time: 08/21/90 22:05:25
|
||
Message Number 7963
|
||
|
||
M>...it doesn't take a liberal to be worried about involving U.S. troops
|
||
M>in a war that isn't ours after Vietnam.
|
||
|
||
Yup. Typical liberal attitude. "a war that isn't ours".NUH-UH! The wa
|
||
war would be ours. You think that an attack on our
|
||
"Economic intrests" is any different of an attack? No, it is still an
|
||
attack.
|
||
Don't paint it in "glorious colors"...I wasn't. But I don't think
|
||
that some pussy liberal would make an effort such as Bush has done. Oh,
|
||
sure, Duckie might have sent over a few token troops...so that they
|
||
could get thier asses kicked and sent back home! An all out coordinated
|
||
effort is the thing, now. And that is what Bush is doing...the ships
|
||
in the gulf are obviously a blockade. Starve 'em. The troops in
|
||
Saudi Arabia are a coordinated, well formed fighting force. Jimmy
|
||
Carter (say, wasn't he a democrat?) tried to pull off a resue attempt...
|
||
and blundered it. It took a republican to get in office to make those
|
||
in Iran sit up and reconsider thier position seriously...think about it.
|
||
Iraq is gonna give in due to pressure---one way or the other.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
Subject: Laws of...
|
||
Date & Time: 08/21/90 22:15:48
|
||
Message Number 7964
|
||
|
||
BM>...anything you don't have an opinion on?
|
||
|
||
Hmmm. I can't think of anything I don't care about right off
|
||
hand...how about you?
|
||
The Specialist
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
Subject: S & M
|
||
Date & Time: 08/21/90 22:17:21
|
||
Message Number 7965
|
||
|
||
BM>YOU REALLY ARE A HEARTLESS ASSHOLE. This I DO mean, intentionally.
|
||
|
||
Well, I didn't think that you meant it *unintentionally*. How can
|
||
you say that? What did I do that was so heartless?
|
||
|
||
Look, he *IS* a sick individual. Besides, who wants to hear about his
|
||
SICKO homosexual encounters, anyway? YOU?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
Subject: Heinlein
|
||
Date & Time: 08/21/90 22:20:22
|
||
Message Number 7966
|
||
|
||
BM> I don't think the Specialist takes kindly to anything I have to
|
||
BM>say...
|
||
|
||
(Excuse me.) Not true! Your incorrect attitude towards gays not
|
||
withstanding, I can tell that you are probably a very caring, sensitive
|
||
person with a great sense of humor! Some of the things you post are
|
||
actually pretty funny!
|
||
|
||
Well, you probably don't believe this, but let me say this: I can
|
||
admire you for the volunteer work you do.
|
||
|
||
|
||
I'm not entirely heartless. Asshole, maybe, but not entirely
|
||
heartless.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Furrys
|
||
Date & Time: 08/21/90 22:27:30
|
||
Message Number 7967
|
||
|
||
Yes, I never debated sapience, though. A cat is a cat. A sapient cat
|
||
is still a cat. A cat is still a beast. A tinking cat would still be
|
||
a cat. A thinking cat would still be a beast. A sapient one, yes, but
|
||
still a beast.
|
||
|
||
Incedentally, the thing that separates us from chimps is the number
|
||
of chromosomes we have...would Reli have the same # of chromosomes?
|
||
I'm not talking about mentally, here, I'm talking about genetically.
|
||
Now, if Reli had the same # of chromosomes, I'd have no problem with
|
||
not calling her a beast (yew...when I say it like that, I feel like I'm
|
||
being insulting...and she doesn't even exist!). Or, if Reli had the
|
||
same # of chromosomes as an ordinary housecat, then she could be
|
||
classified as a cat. When you combine an Asian and a European, you get
|
||
a human. You can't combine a simian and a human. If you could combine
|
||
Reli and a house cat then she is a beast. If you couldn't then she is
|
||
not. Also, what would the result of a Reli/Human mating be? A cat? A
|
||
human? Like Reli but more pronounced human features?
|
||
|
||
I have a new debate...alright!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: inane lyrics
|
||
Date & Time: 08/21/90 22:42:16
|
||
Message Number 7968
|
||
|
||
T>...the people who recorded "These Dreams" were also responsible for
|
||
T>"Magic Man," which is truly a monument to its own insipidness.
|
||
|
||
Yes, but the music is fantastic!!!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: MAX
|
||
Subject: New fags on...
|
||
Date & Time: 08/21/90 22:50:56
|
||
Message Number 7969
|
||
|
||
M>...but did it co
|
||
...but did it occur to you that Ken...yanking your...chain?
|
||
Yes, but I couldn't pass up the chance to bash a homo.
|
||
M>...if that message about hard bodies...[to set you off]
|
||
|
||
Hah! You think that he wasn't serious? Then in that case, then
|
||
YOU had better get over your naiivety. He was serious. He was just
|
||
demonstrating how typically gay he is. Sick.
|
||
|
||
And on the outside chance he posted it just to pull my chain...then I
|
||
guess it klnda backfired, didn't it?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: MAX
|
||
Subject: How? You see,
|
||
Date & Time: 08/21/90 22:58:17
|
||
Message Number 7970
|
||
|
||
M> So why aren't you willing to consider my point?
|
||
Simple. Your point is not worth considering.
|
||
M>Have you had some bad experience with one gay you're abstracting to
|
||
M>others?
|
||
I've never had ANY 'experience' with gays. I avoid them like the
|
||
plague. (Ah, good comparison... AIDS=plague) I knew a few - that is,
|
||
knew of a few. I NEVER saw or heard of anything I liked about them.
|
||
Nothing. Quite the contrary, I heard bad things. And upon doing some
|
||
investigating of my own, I confirmed them.
|
||
M>Or do you prefer hating them because it's the easiest thing to do?
|
||
I prefer 'hating' them because they are worthy of being despised.
|
||
What they do is sick, and no, you have NOT seen it from my viewpoint,
|
||
DON'T try to say that you have and write it off. YOU were NOT in
|
||
my "position" when you were younger, you were nowhere near the
|
||
"aversion" I have to them.
|
||
|
||
Max, I am trying to drop this thread, everyone is sick of it, and
|
||
so am I. You are not making this easy...if you continue to question
|
||
me I have to continue to answer and then everyone else is going to
|
||
jump in on it and what will happen is that we will have a big
|
||
pissing contest like what was going on. Everyone has requested me
|
||
to drop this thing and that's what I want to do. Just shut up and
|
||
help me drop it. Please. (Sorry about that "shut up"...I was on
|
||
not thinking about what I was typing.)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: MAX
|
||
Subject: Laws of...
|
||
Date & Time: 08/21/90 23:11:32
|
||
Message Number 7971
|
||
|
||
Reagan INHERITED a large deficit. And he will be remembered as the
|
||
president who built our defenses up after that LIBERAL Carter let
|
||
them go all to hell....
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
Subject: S & M
|
||
Date & Time: 08/21/90 23:14:35
|
||
Message Number 7972
|
||
|
||
>Tough shit...
|
||
|
||
Well said. You don't like my opinion? "Tough shit". (tm)
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
"Tough Shit" and "Heartless Asshole" are trademarks of Typical Women,
|
||
Inc. Any use here implies thier direct meaning.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: Bias in bias
|
||
Date & Time: 08/21/90 23:24:32
|
||
Message Number 7973
|
||
|
||
JB>I would merely ask that you never use your bias in an overt act of
|
||
JB>hostility.
|
||
|
||
Ok, I won't start it. BUT! If someone provokes me, watch out.
|
||
(Case in point AJ's message.)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: Machines
|
||
Date & Time: 08/21/90 23:26:42
|
||
Message Number 7974
|
||
|
||
JB> ...what other machine can I afford that lets me do these things?
|
||
|
||
Well, I understand that the Amgia is pretty hot...
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
Gag! I hated saying that...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: XTEVE
|
||
Subject: hardcards/orcad
|
||
Date & Time: 08/21/90 23:36:10
|
||
Message Number 7975
|
||
|
||
Replace your hardcard? Great! Let me know if you need any help
|
||
installing it (lowlevelformat/partition/format stuff).
|
||
It's kninda late right now, but you can bet that I'll give you a
|
||
all asap...I need those drivers!! Hmmm...do you suppose that he
|
||
could get me the rest?
|
||
Not that I'm being greedy or anything...
|
||
|
||
.s
|
||
(grr... /s, how quaint)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: inane lyrics
|
||
Date & Time: 08/21/90 23:42:14
|
||
Message Number 7976
|
||
|
||
JB>I was really shocked to see how dowdy tht Nancy is starting to look.
|
||
|
||
What? Whoa! Are we talking about the same ones, here? Anne=Dark
|
||
hair...Nancy=Blonde hair, right?
|
||
|
||
In that case, have you noticed how FAT the dark haired one is getting?
|
||
I think that the Blonde is far, Far better looking than the Brunette!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: Association
|
||
Date & Time: 08/22/90 00:16:17
|
||
Message Number 7977
|
||
|
||
Trust me, women don't enjoy rape....
|
||
Feathers, huh? I might be able to get into those...:>
|
||
Lady
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: Lacey
|
||
Date & Time: 08/22/90 00:17:06
|
||
Message Number 7978
|
||
|
||
<amazing smirk inserted here!>
|
||
The Lady
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: VH-7
|
||
Date & Time: 08/22/90 00:20:57
|
||
Message Number 7979
|
||
|
||
MY CAT DOES NOT LIKE YOU! He loves me!!!!
|
||
(AND, NO, you cannot adopt him!)
|
||
QED...
|
||
Lady
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: S & M
|
||
Date & Time: 08/22/90 00:21:53
|
||
Message Number 7980
|
||
|
||
NO.
|
||
:>
|
||
The Lady
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
To: YNGLING
|
||
Subject: Lacey
|
||
Date & Time: 08/22/90 00:24:28
|
||
Message Number 7981
|
||
|
||
I usually don't know I have any! SORRY...
|
||
The Lady
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Heinlein
|
||
Date & Time: 08/22/90 00:28:30
|
||
Message Number 7982
|
||
|
||
....And I'm in shock.
|
||
Lady
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: S & M
|
||
Date & Time: 08/22/90 00:29:58
|
||
Message Number 7983
|
||
|
||
DON'T EVER refer to me as being a typical woman. I am nothing of
|
||
the sort, and refuse to be lumped as such.
|
||
Don't test me on this one, either.
|
||
Black Magic
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Nightmare
|
||
Date & Time: 08/22/90 00:41:55
|
||
Message Number 7986
|
||
|
||
> "I may be a Christian and a country singer, but I know how to rap!"
|
||
|
||
Ah, call NBC! I bet they can turn it into a series. With shows like
|
||
"Hull High", "Fresh Prince of Bel Aire" and "The Guys Next Door", they
|
||
can probably do anything with so-called music.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: inane lyrics
|
||
Date & Time: 08/22/90 00:47:33
|
||
Message Number 7987
|
||
|
||
> From what my dad related to me - life in the 50's /WAS/ inane drivel!
|
||
|
||
Ah, but I don't really mind some inane drivel. Inane pop drivel I like
|
||
but inane rap drivel I hate.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: ZOT GNOP
|
||
To: BEATLE
|
||
Subject: Vai
|
||
Date & Time: 08/22/90 14:11:42
|
||
Message Number 7992
|
||
|
||
No thanks required, dude.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: ZOT GNOP
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Innovation
|
||
Date & Time: 08/22/90 14:15:14
|
||
Message Number 7993
|
||
|
||
Of course! I was just using the others as SOME examples.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: ZOT GNOP
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Innovation
|
||
Date & Time: 08/22/90 14:21:35
|
||
Message Number 7994
|
||
|
||
I was praising guitarists at the time. Bass players are another matter
|
||
entirely. I don't care what you may say about it, but Bassists and
|
||
Guitarists are two totally different types of musicians. People who
|
||
play the bass as if they were playing lead guitar (I'm referring to
|
||
playing style, not the actual sound) and vice versa are abusing the
|
||
instrument. An entirely different way of thinking is required,
|
||
because the base is a much subtler instrument. That is why I didn't
|
||
mention Geddy Lee. If I had been praising Bassists, he would have gotten
|
||
SPECIAL attention.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: ZOT GNOP
|
||
To: THRUD
|
||
Subject: Your daughter
|
||
Date & Time: 08/22/90 14:31:37
|
||
Message Number 7995
|
||
|
||
But I can do such nifty things with my hands.
|
||
<Leaping out of reach, giggling maniacally>
|
||
-Zot Gnop the Morally Corrupt
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: MAX
|
||
To: THRUD
|
||
Subject: Laws of...
|
||
Date & Time: 08/22/90 15:16:27
|
||
Message Number 7996
|
||
|
||
You know, upon reflection, it occurs to me that Bush may, indeed, be the
|
||
best president we've had since Nixon (whether or not you count Nixon in
|
||
that list depends on whether or not you think being an amazing crook
|
||
counts against him sufficiently enough to make him a bad president, I
|
||
suppose). I'm not sure this is necessarily a good thing, mind you.
|
||
I suppose it's better to have someone who thinks things I don't agree
|
||
with than someone who doesn't think at all, though.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: MAX
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Laws of...
|
||
Date & Time: 08/22/90 15:20:46
|
||
Message Number 7997
|
||
|
||
You don't really get the liberal thing, sir. You've been listening to
|
||
Reaganites too long. Believe it or not, "liberal" and "defenseless" are
|
||
not synonyms. I said that as much in the last message and for whatever
|
||
reasons you have, you let it go WHOOSH! and ignored most of what I said.
|
||
You really do cherish your assumptions, don't you? No fact is going to
|
||
get in past your blinders, no siree.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: MAX
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Furrys
|
||
Date & Time: 08/22/90 15:23:35
|
||
Message Number 7998
|
||
|
||
Hopefully my last message made the relationship of Reli to a cat a bit
|
||
clearer... the analogy of humans to chimps would probably go through at
|
||
all levels, although since the matter of chromosomes didn't come up in
|
||
the story it's not something I have an answer to. Reli couldn't produce
|
||
offspring with a cat in her world (or ours) any more than you could
|
||
with Cheetah the chimp (who was female, not that knowing this is too
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important). Furthermore, she'd probably regard the idea of TRYING to
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have offspring with a cat the same way you'd regard the idea of having
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sex with Cheetah.
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"Beast" itself is a kind of curious word. I did write a story a
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while ago that took the sort of thing going on in "Travelling Music" and
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treat it more seriously, exploring the question of whether or not it
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qualifies as 'bestiality' (in the story, the prospect was between a
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human and a feline alien). At any rate, by your definition of beast,
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Reli wouldn't be considered one either. Spencer is a bit unsure of
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that, probably for the same reasons you had for asking (intellectually
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it can be worked out that she isn't, but she still looks like a cross
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between a cat and a human).
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As for offspring, I would assume that humans and Reli's species
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would be unable to produce children together. It might be possible
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that they are close enough to produce sterile 'halfbreeds,' but I'm not
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sure what you'd get.
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From: MAX
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To: THE SPECIALIST
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Subject: New fags on...
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Date & Time: 08/22/90 15:31:21
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Message Number 7999
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Yes, I'm sure AJ was serious, but I still think he was yanking your
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chain. The two aren't mutually exclusive. Bragging about sexual
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exploits is not, to the best of my experience, "typically gay," as most
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gay people would rather AVOID reactions like yours. Unless they're
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yanking your chain, of course.
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As to whether or not it backfired, I don't know. Maybe he wanted to
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see if you'd take the bait and respond with an outraged, ranting,
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foaming at the mouth spew. If that WAS the case, it succeeded, although
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I fail to see the point (even the humor value would be somewhat
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limited).
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From: MAX
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To: THE SPECIALIST
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Subject: How? You see,
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Date & Time: 08/22/90 15:34:06
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Message Number 8000
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All right, fine. I only 'continued' the thread because, well, let me
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lay it out in your type of blunt terms: you're wrong. I have direct
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evidence (i.e., contact with THEM <gasp>) which proves to me that your
|
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attitude is 100% wrong when it comes to "they can't be good people."
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You, on the other hand, not only have no evidence for your position,
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you REFUSE to ever come close to a position for ever getting said
|
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evidence becuase the "evidence" you find might not support your blind
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hatred. Basically, your point is shit, and I think you know it is.
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You have effectively confirmed a suspicion I have had about you and
|
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(I suspect) most people who share your attitude: the "fear" in
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||
"homophobia" is fear of having your assumptions shaken. You will
|
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always be right in your own mind because you absolutely refuse to
|
||
accept any evidence that might REMOTELY prove you wrong. I HAVE seen
|
||
it from your viewpoint; the difference is I wasn't afraid to have my
|
||
"aversion" challenged. The assertion that a person who is gay or
|
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bisexual can produce nothing worthwhile and have nothing to say is
|
||
flat-out factually WRONG. I know it. And you know it, too. Logically
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there is NO way to defend that position.
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Incidentally, back when you said, "Don't introduce me to any of them,"
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... never mind. Have a pleasant afternoon.
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