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From: MIKE GREENAWALD
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To: RAVEN
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Subject: relationships
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Date & Time: 07/28/90 11:09:34
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Message Number 6901
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Do not use credit cards as such. I use them for id if I have to
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I do not suggest that anyone use them. I have read 1984 and
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believe that big brother could use the records to make a profile
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I did it once to see if it could be done. It can. IU learned more about
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a friend than I wanted to know. I feel sorry for him so I am loyal
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to him when what he did really turns me off. I am trying to say
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that normally I would run with all my might away from a dude who
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did what he did but because I know his secrete I will remain loyal.
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How do you like that for a strange action?
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From: MIKE GREENAWALD
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To: THE SPECIALIST
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Subject: relationships
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Date & Time: 07/28/90 11:18:33
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Message Number 6902
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Not sure what second guess distressed mother means. Maybe you got the me
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mixed up. There is no carriage return. I type and the message does
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not wrap around. I do not watch the screen as I type as the monitor sit
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to high.
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From: MIKE GREENAWALD
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To: THE SPECIALIST
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Subject: Really annoying
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Date & Time: 07/28/90 11:22:24
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Message Number 6903
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Religion ius the opiate of the people is the beginning line
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of a document that we had to read in philosophy class. I was a
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conservative and didn't like the statement. Now that the train
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or beliefs of different cultures has been taught to me I can see why
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the dude made the comment. He was observing from outside looking in.
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From: MIKE GREENAWALD
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To: THE SPECIALIST
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Subject: Really annoying
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Date & Time: 07/28/90 11:25:55
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Message Number 6904
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Now I am a dude looking from the inside out to where Mr. Marx came from
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I can not disagree with him but I can say his social idease are not the
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best. Current events are proving me true.
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Socialism is a step in democracy just as democracy is a step in socialis
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We studied both in class and the need for both is quite aparent
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I need to know if you were ever married to go further in our discussion.
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I am going to discuss phila and agape and I need to know your
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experience with these terms. If you do not know that they mean I will ex
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explain in a closed letter than carry on with this conversation. If we a
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are not on the same wave length a dude or dudette will really read somet
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something strange into our letters.
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From: MIKE GREENAWALD
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To: TURTLE
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Subject: gates of...
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Date & Time: 07/28/90 11:42:43
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Message Number 6905
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In response: I was refering to Plato. The philosophy I was
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talking about is the basis for the Catholic religion. You see those year
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at... have paid off.
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SDef Leppard is a strange name is it a sect or a rock group?
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Plato was no bore His perfect world is coming into florition
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today in America if I am not mistakes.
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From: MIKE GREENAWALD
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To: JONBOY
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Subject: Really annoying
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Date & Time: 07/28/90 11:58:31
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Message Number 6906
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Confused by statement Non-sequitor or rather the word. What
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meaning does the word have for you?
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From: MIKE GREENAWALD
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To: JONBOY
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Subject: relationships
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Date & Time: 07/28/90 12:01:40
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Message Number 6907
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Jon Smith please accept my appologies. I read another closed board
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Then I read your comment. I got the wrong idea Sorry.
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I will erase my letter. Please try the other board out I believe that yo
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you will like it. We have been discussing relationships and philosophy
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Heavy Huh!
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From: MAX
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To: MIKE GREENAWALD
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Subject: relationships
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Date & Time: 07/28/90 12:49:56
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Message Number 6908
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You are the most singularly cryptic person I've ever seen on a BBS...
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> ...I learned more about a friend than I wanted to know. I feel sorry
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> for him so I am loyal to him when what he did really turns me off. I
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> am trying to say that normally I would run with all my might away from
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> a dude who did what he did but because I know his secrete I will
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> remain loyal.
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The only logical response is, "huh?" If it's a secret and you're really
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not intending to talk about it in any depth, then why bring it up? If
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it's something that would normally make you stop associating with the
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person why is the fact that you know about it enough to make you keep
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associating with him? Regardless of whether or not the "secret" is
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sufficient grounds to stop associating with him, there appears to be a
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fundamental contradiction up there somewhere...?
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From: BLACK MAGIC
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To: THRUD
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Subject: PCP Users?
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Date & Time: 07/28/90 15:58:46
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Message Number 6910
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I'm an AT, and I get a little annoyed every once in a while with Turtle!
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I wouldn't make fun of your XT....and I'll have to say that Turtle's
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LISA really has no purpose in life! QED....
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The Lady
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From: BLACK MAGIC
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To: JONBOY
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Subject: Ziggy
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Date & Time: 07/28/90 16:06:32
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Message Number 6911
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:) I have the CHANGES CD by Bowie....I still have my LP's though....I
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really miss the vinyl stuff. The cover art was the greatest. Can't fit
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that much on a CD.
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The LAdy
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From: BLACK MAGIC
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To: JONBOY
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Subject: ...Earth Callin
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Date & Time: 07/28/90 16:10:14
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Message Number 6912
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Earth Callin you! It's been that long.....
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The Lady In Black
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From: BLACK MAGIC
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To: JONBOY
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Subject: Earth?
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Date & Time: 07/28/90 16:12:04
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Message Number 6913
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I'm back...where are you? I could ask the same of the Yngling...
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The Lady
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From: BLACK MAGIC
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To: TURTLE
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Subject: Earth?
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Date & Time: 07/28/90 16:14:58
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Message Number 6914
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You are really gonna get hell when I see you next for that remark.
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From: ANGEL
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To: BEATLE
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Subject: things...
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Date & Time: 07/28/90 20:56:23
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Message Number 6915
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Caught in the act! Yep, I picked a random number. Did I at least get
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the title of the Star Trek episode right?
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From: ANGEL
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To: JONBOY
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Subject: definition
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Date & Time: 07/28/90 21:06:54
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Message Number 6916
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>...classed as "cults" by "mainstream" Christians... They teach things
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>that cannot be backed up in the Bible"
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No, these groups back-up their beliefs by scripture, the same
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scripture you use. If you want a whole new perspective on the Good
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Book, next time invite one of the Jehovah Witnesses inside when next
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one knocks at your door. What you term "mainstream" Christian sects
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consider them "cults", only because they disagree with the "mainstream"
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interpretation of scripture. And I also question your use of the word
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"mainstream". My own church does not consider the two groups I
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mentioned (JWs and Seventh Day Adventists) to be "cults", just two
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seperate approaches to God. But then, again, perhaps you consider
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the Episcopal Church to be a cult as well.
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From: ANGEL
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To: JONBOY
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Subject: gates of...
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Date & Time: 07/28/90 21:27:03
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Message Number 6917
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If you're talking about Steve Geden, then yes, I know him. We used to
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work together. How did you run in to him?
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From: ANGEL
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To: JONBOY
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Subject: Devil & Billy M
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Date & Time: 07/28/90 21:30:06
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Message Number 6918
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> He would say that harp playing gets boring quick..."
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Harp playing boring!!!!!!!! Philistine. Blasphemy. No appreciation
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for good music.
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On another line, did you hear about the elderly couple that died
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and went to heaven. They found it a most enjoyable place, even better
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than they had been led to believe. The wife exclaimed joyously at
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their new-found happiness in eternity. And the husband replied, "Yeah,
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and if it wasn't for you and your damn bran muffins we could have been
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here years earlier."
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From: ANGEL
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To: JONBOY
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Subject: Truth
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Date & Time: 07/28/90 21:37:20
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Message Number 6919
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>Can you see generations of people suffereing great hardships and
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>persecution for the sake of a charlatan?
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Humanity has a great penchant for suffering and persecution in the
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fulfillment of what they believe ... whether we judge it to be "truth"
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or charlatanism (is that a word). ie., the followers of Hitler, John
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Smith, Stalin, Quakers, the Ayatollah, Ghandi, Odin, etc.
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>Can you see ordinary people with nothing to gain personally dying for
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>this sort of system?
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But the Christians believe they are dieing to achieve life immortal,
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that's a rather high personal gain. What are you trying to prove?
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From: NAME
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To: TURTLE
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Subject: Truth
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Date & Time: 07/28/90 22:30:28
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Message Number 6920
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The Bible was not written for outsiders. (Excluding the message of
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salvation.) Taking this into consideration, if you have not been born
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again, as the bible puts it in John 3, "Being born of the water and
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of the spirit." If your spirit has not been born again, you cannot see
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the Kingdom of God. Seeing is understanding.
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Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the things not seen.
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It kinda works like this: you get a new spirit that has faith toward
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God. And, a new spirit that understands (or sees) God.
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I don't expect anyone who has not been born again to understand (or
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see) God.
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Let's take truth, for a minute. I'm glad that you don't just accept
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the Bible to be truth based on the fact that it says it's truth.
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Truth will prove itself. Jesus was truth, a a pretty nice guy, too.
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You don't have to believe that the bible is truth, to find some helpful
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guidelines for life. (Not to steal, cheat or lie.)
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From: NAME
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To: TURTLE
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Subject: Bible
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Date & Time: 07/28/90 22:58:34
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Message Number 6921
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N>>[The Bible] is where we get the tenet of Trinity from.
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N>>
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T>So are you a monotheist or polytheist?
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T>
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I am a monotheist.
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From: NAME
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To: MAX
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Subject: definitions
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Date & Time: 07/28/90 23:05:07
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Message Number 6922
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I must be stupid, because I didn't understand anything you said.
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Please respond in layman's terms next time.
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("Fundamental law of the Universe"?) I don't know what this is.
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I'm not sure, but I THINK you don't believe the Bible to be truth.
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If not, what part don't you believe? Maybe I can help.
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God put Adam and Eve in the garden, not Adam and Steve.
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From: ANGEL
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To: *.*
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Subject: boom!
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Date & Time: 07/28/90 23:20:49
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Message Number 6923
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The Giant's mention of gold definitely caught Angel's interest.
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"Ah, I appreciate the fine offer of assistance in outfitting my ship.
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Fortunately, I now have the means to handle such provisioning myself.
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But I fear the Fjord you mention is not to be found on this world. And
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my ship is bound by the winds and tides of this place. I cannot bring
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you home. But I've need of a crew and if you -- "
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Angel's speech ended in a strange word that sounded oddly like
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"ARGHOUUMPHH!" as she was knocked from her feet by the blast that
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destroyed Rufus' briefcase. "What was that?" she exclaimed as she
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struggled to rise from the floor. She left further questioning to
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others as she suddenly noticed her cape was aflame. Tossing it to the
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floor, she started jumping up and down on the burning cloth, in a
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rather credible imitation of Turtle at his most agitated. "Well,
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that's 20 credits shot to hell. Now, what is happening and ... NO!"
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"Hey, Angel, did you know ---" Turtle tried to get her attention,
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but her interests lay elsewhere at the moment.
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The ex-harper rushed to the piano in the corner of the bar.
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"Angel, you really ought to --" Turtle tried again to no avail.
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Passing the Giant, she grabbed the mug of Sliva from his hand and
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tossed the drink at the smoking hole in the center of the instrument.
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Unfortunately, the potent drink merely burst into flames. Going back
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for the trodden cape, she used it to beat out the fire in the piano.
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"Bloody 'ell! What is it wi' this place and musical instruments.
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Wonder if this can be fixed, or if'n I'll need another burial."
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"Angel!" If nothing else, Turtle was at least persistant. "Stop
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running around Angel. Did you know you're bleeding?" Rather
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surprised, she glanced down at her left shoulder and was amazed to see
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blood swelling from beneath a tear in her garment.
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"Oh, well, now that you mention it ... Nothing to worry about."
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From: SNAKEBYTE
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To: TURTLE
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Subject: Moral/Popular
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Date & Time: 07/29/90 00:04:33
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Message Number 6924
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>morality.....prejudice......bigotry....<yawn>
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Hey, I don't mean to bump my way into this, but a freind of mine at work
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just relayed a story to me of her brother in California about a month
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ago. It appears this gay (homosexual...whatever) guy was admitted into
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his emergency room with terrible stomache pain and intestinal bleeding.
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After operating on him, a small white mouse was removed from his
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main body cavity and the guy almost died. Turns out, this is the new
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'fad' for gays out west.....take a small (alive) white mouse, grease
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him up, roll him in coke and shove him us your ass. Only this guys
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mouse chewed his way into the guy's gut (good for the mouse). Now in
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the context of your conversation, was this guy (these guys) perverse,
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or perversed homosexuals (implying 'normal' homosexuals)?
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SICK-SICK-SICK-SICK-SICK-SICK-SICK-SICK.....say what you will, but
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you won't change my opinion!!!!!!!!
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a ssssssssssssssssick ssssssssSNAKEBYTE . .
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From: SNAKEBYTE
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To: TURTLE
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Subject: Really placid
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Date & Time: 07/29/90 00:15:27
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Message Number 6925
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>evidence to support judgement of homosexuality....
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Let's see, I don't 'think' (implying opinion) that sex with animals
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(assuming consenting animals) is 'normal'. If an adult con's a child
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to have sex with them, does that make the child 'consenting'? If not,
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is that just your 'opinion'? In any case, I do not 'think' this is
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'normal' either (consenting or not). I also don't think that sex with
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small appliances is 'normal' either (even consenting appliances). I also
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do not think that sex between consenting adults of the same sex is
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'normal' (especially males...ooops, nail me for that comment!!!). I'd
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just assume stick it in a blender then in an orifice that was meant to
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pass human excrement (only). Why???? Well hell, I don't find ANY men
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sexually attractive (and a lot of women around aren't too attractive
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either).....tah-dah!!!! My opinion!!!!! I think I'm entitled to
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it, and I'm entitled to profess it. Beastiality is NOT WRONG because
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I think it is. There are things that are naturally unnatural (or
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should I say, unacceptable by human standards). If everyone can do as
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they please as long as it doesn;t 'bother' anyone else....you MUST
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define 'bother'.
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Oh yeah, If a gay guy is looking at YOU with 'that' look in his eyes
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, are YOU uncomfortable????? Or do you feel GOOD that he finds YOU
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sexually attractive??????? ......well??????
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From: SNAKEBYTE
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To: BEATLE
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Subject: Defective...
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Date & Time: 07/29/90 00:31:09
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Message Number 6926
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> medical proof that homosexuality is in fact a sickness.....
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Come on Beatle.....you tellin' me that YOU (or anyone) can PROVE
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medically that rapists, child abusers, beastiality practicioners,
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theives, muggers, murderers, or any of the such are MEDICALLY SICK????
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I guess its' also 'normal' in some books for homosexuals to get sex
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change operations. Would YOU feel comfortable with an ex-male date??
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Why not??????? Would it be 'normal' for a practicioner of beastiality
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to get a transplant of a cow's penis to satisfy his desire to be with
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his favorite heffer??? ....think about it.......
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From: SNAKEBYTE
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To: AJ-<TOPGUN>-
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Subject: Defective...
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Date & Time: 07/29/90 00:37:46
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Message Number 6927
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A CHOICE??????? Where's that 'medical' background???? I think you
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would quickly find the definition of a 'woman trapped in a man's body'
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or a overwhelming desire to displace one's mother rapidly surfacing.
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The people do NOT profess a CHOICE. In fact, they will SWEAR that they
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have NO choice. Is the overwhlming desire to have sex with small
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children (perhaps yours) a 'choice'??? Is the desire to have sex with
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a dog, sheep or cow a 'normal' choice????? Is the desire to rape a
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seventy year old retired lady in her apartment a 'normal' choice????
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In your extensive 'medical background', how many rapists (of man or
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beast), homosexuals, child abusers or whatever told you, "Yeah, welp
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I could've gone to McDonalds for a burger, but I desided to rape a
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3 year old instead". And YOU'RE telling us that this was a choice made
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with NO sickness involved?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Geeeezzzzz
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From: SNAKEBYTE
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To: RAVEN
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Subject: Defective...
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Date & Time: 07/29/90 00:47:14
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Message Number 6928
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>if rate of occurance is the indicator....
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Well, where does that leave the Pope??? The President???? Extremely
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intellegent people???? Rocket scientists?????? hmmmmm, sickness??
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....nawwww, junk the 'rate of occurance' crap.....
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From: SNAKEBYTE
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To: V
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Subject: Bias in bias
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Date & Time: 07/29/90 00:50:43
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Message Number 6929
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>Hey, it all boils down to X. vs. Y.
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One 'what' is only 95% male???? It boils down to AC. vs DC.!!!
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Oh yeah, male is defined as the sex of a species that produces sperm
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(or motile gametes or some type), while female refers to the one that
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bears young or produces eggs. While masculine and femanine refer to
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characterists of each. Maybe one is 95% masculine, but one is definitely
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100% male!!!!! Oh yeah, 'opposite' inferrs diametrically different
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things, so if males and females are 'opposite' sexes, then they would
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HAVE to be totally different from one another to satisfy your statement.
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. . . . . . . . . . . . . .huh?????
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From: SNAKEBYTE
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To: MAX
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Subject: Defective...
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Date & Time: 07/29/90 01:00:24
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Message Number 6930
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>I find discrimination to be as morally repugnant as you apparently
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>find homosexuality to be.
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Discriminating is only noticing a diffence between two things. How you
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'act' upon it is another subject (like prejudice, perhaps). If you
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act against (or oppose) based on a discriminating and prejudice
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opinion, then yes, that is baddddddd. But, that would make you
|
||
prejudice against prejudice people, making you prejudice against
|
||
yourself....aha!!!! Yup, you've got yourself by the short hairs.....
|
||
|
||
oooops....
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SNAKEBYTE
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Bias in bias
|
||
Date & Time: 07/29/90 01:05:55
|
||
Message Number 6931
|
||
|
||
> grammar.....<yuck>, I had terrible English instructors, but I did
|
||
have enough sense to buy a decent dictionary.....<grin>.
|
||
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SNAKEBYTE
|
||
To: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
Subject: hi
|
||
Date & Time: 07/29/90 01:17:29
|
||
Message Number 6932
|
||
|
||
Missed you around. Hope all's well.......
|
||
.\ /.
|
||
\_____/
|
||
\_/
|
||
|
|
||
/\
|
||
|
||
see ya' Lady.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: AJ-<TOPGUN>-
|
||
To: SNAKEBYTE
|
||
Subject: Association
|
||
Date & Time: 07/29/90 08:36:54
|
||
Message Number 6933
|
||
|
||
I read your reply, and I agree with you that these unfortunate crimes
|
||
do happen in our society....I will correct a couple of facts for you
|
||
though, whereas not to misleed or give only a one sided conversation.
|
||
It is true that Rape, Incest,Child Abusers,and having sex with animals
|
||
DOES happen in the world today that we live in...however your facts make
|
||
direction towards Homosexuals, with the feeling and asumption that all
|
||
Homosexuals are the ones doing all these crimes....I beg to difer with
|
||
you....if you would like check with the local NAACP and the GALA and
|
||
ACLU and Sheriffs Association for "statistics" on rates and race of
|
||
a majority of the crimes that you mentioned....I wish I could help you
|
||
better understand us as "Homosexuals"..but I can tell from your creative
|
||
writting that it would be useless....for that I am sorry. Some people
|
||
in the world today cant grasp the fact that Hetrosexuals, Black Men and
|
||
Women, Teenagers, and YES Homosexuals are all aty fault and should have
|
||
fingers pointed to them for the awwwful crimes that they commit. I am
|
||
one who refuses to single out a "classification of ones sexual desires"
|
||
to ease my conscience whereas not to have to deal with the real world.
|
||
|
||
I enjoy these comments, and welcome with open arms more...helping
|
||
describe, as you call it "this sickness" has been in the same
|
||
direction as my career for the past eight years.
|
||
|
||
TopGun Strikes Again..... Sysop Of ALTnet BBS
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: AJ-<TOPGUN>-
|
||
To: SNAKEBYTE
|
||
Subject: Normal
|
||
Date & Time: 07/29/90 08:50:15
|
||
Message Number 6934
|
||
|
||
There where too many "normals" in that last letter, why not use the
|
||
term, "socially acceptable" or "Homophopbically reconized"..this I feel
|
||
is a better definition, because who is to deictate or define "normal"??
|
||
|
||
TopGun Strikes Again..... Sysop Of ALTnet BBS
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: RAVEN
|
||
To: MIKE GREENAWALD
|
||
Subject: relationships
|
||
Date & Time: 07/29/90 10:45:18
|
||
Message Number 6935
|
||
|
||
>How do you like that for a strange action?
|
||
|
||
Just the only honorable course that could be taken, as the information
|
||
was discovered in a moderately dishonorable (if unintended) manner.
|
||
The social security number is equally revealing, as it links all
|
||
education, medical, employment, and credit records under one id number,
|
||
but like cc#s this info. is generally misused. Of late I have thought
|
||
about running a security check on myself (about $35) just to see how
|
||
accurate the info. is.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: RAVEN
|
||
To: SNAKEBYTE
|
||
Subject: Moral/Popular
|
||
Date & Time: 07/29/90 10:59:03
|
||
Message Number 6936
|
||
|
||
>was this guy (these guys) perverse,...
|
||
|
||
Just as perverse as any entity that takes pleasure from causing the
|
||
demise of, or injury to, another intelligent being. Incidentally
|
||
I first heard of this fad about 5 years ago, and find it as repulsive
|
||
now as I did then. Harming another creature solely for the thrill of it
|
||
is not moral, and such actions should be condemned.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: RAVEN
|
||
To: SNAKEBYTE
|
||
Subject: Defective...
|
||
Date & Time: 07/29/90 11:09:11
|
||
Message Number 6937
|
||
|
||
>Well, where does that leave the Pope??? The President???? Extremely
|
||
>intellegent people???? Rocket scientists?????? hmmmmm, sickness??
|
||
|
||
Please elaborate, as your response is not clear.
|
||
|
||
>....nawwww, junk the 'rate of occurance' crap.....
|
||
|
||
The Specialist was using the morality of the public at large to justify
|
||
his claim that homosexuality is morally wrong. I was merely pointing
|
||
out that the 'moral' practice of monogamy is not the general norm.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DONTHEN
|
||
To: ALL
|
||
Subject: The Above
|
||
Date & Time: 07/29/90 12:57:00
|
||
Message Number 6938
|
||
|
||
"What the hell--?" Wezip lets go of Xon's shirt at the sound of
|
||
the explosion.
|
||
"Funny, just what I was going to ask you," Xon says crossly.
|
||
"Oh. Right. Well, I need to get you to do a favor for me." The
|
||
fox absently watches the tribble pop out from behind where Bongo-
|
||
Man threw it. Cute little whatsit. It promptly falls onto the floor
|
||
and out of sight.
|
||
"Tell me about it in a minute," Xon says, crossing over to where
|
||
Rufus is standing.
|
||
---
|
||
"I saw, I saw," Mulligan says in response to Turtle. He says this
|
||
at the same time he's dashing out of his seat and racing for the
|
||
door; he gets there and stops, apparently determining that the
|
||
assassin is too far away already to be pursuable. He then heads
|
||
back to Rufus, ignoring the reptile.
|
||
"You have any idea why someone would be trying to kill you?" His
|
||
expression is a little skeptical, somehow suggesting that he over-
|
||
heard Rufus' explanation of a few moments ago.
|
||
---
|
||
"I have these houseguests coming," Wezip mumbles to the air where
|
||
Xonzoff had been standing. Then he thrusts his hands in his pockets,
|
||
sighs melodramatically and heads toward Angel and the piano.
|
||
His expression changes to one of dismay when he sees Angel is
|
||
bleeding, and the thought of his impending houseguests is temporarily
|
||
driven out of mind. "That doesn't look like 'nothing to worry about,'"
|
||
he says reproachfully. He looks over at the bar as if hoping a
|
||
bandage will appear magically; Xonzoff is digging around behind it,
|
||
perhaps looking for the fox's theoretical first aid kit.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: MAX
|
||
To: NAME
|
||
Subject: definitions
|
||
Date & Time: 07/29/90 13:10:02
|
||
Message Number 6939
|
||
|
||
> I'm not sure, but I THINK you don't believe the Bible to be truth.
|
||
|
||
If you mean that I don't believe it to be the infallible, literal Word
|
||
of God, you're absolutely right. Your comment that the Bible was not
|
||
meant for "outsiders" is incomprehensible on the surface, by the way;
|
||
if all humans are meant to be saved through Christ, then none of them
|
||
should be "outsiders".
|
||
|
||
> If not, what part don't you believe? Maybe I can help.
|
||
|
||
Help with what? If you mean convincing me that it's the literal word
|
||
of God, or even convincing me that a 'supreme being' would incarnate
|
||
himself as a human being and allow himself to be killed on the grounds
|
||
that doing so would absolve all humanity of their sins if only they
|
||
took the leap of faith necessary to accept the premise of this sentence,
|
||
then you may have a tough time of it. My ultimate objection to the
|
||
philosophy of Christianity, apart from the practice, is that this just
|
||
doesn't make any SENSE philosophically. (I won't even get into my
|
||
objections to the ACTIONS of Christians in the name of their divine
|
||
scapegoat.)
|
||
|
||
> God put Adam and Eve in the garden, not Adam and Steve.
|
||
|
||
Is there a point to this observation?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: MAX
|
||
To: SNAKEBYTE
|
||
Subject: Moral/Popular
|
||
Date & Time: 07/29/90 13:16:10
|
||
Message Number 6940
|
||
|
||
That fad is a homosexual variant of one that heterosexual females have
|
||
been doing, too. Yes, it's perverse, but it's equally perverse whether
|
||
the person doing it is straight, gay, or bisexual, isn't it? If
|
||
bringing this up is meant to suggest that all homosexuals are 'perverse'
|
||
in this fashion because of this fad, then logically all heterosexuals
|
||
are perverse because some of them do it, too. Yes, it's sick.
|
||
My point is, again, that what you describe has a victim -- in this
|
||
case, the mouse. If you take what most people would consider a normal
|
||
heterosexual relationship and do not change it in any way other than
|
||
flipping the sex of one of the people involved, you haven't made it into
|
||
a stinking morass of child molesting, animal-raping human slime.
|
||
At any rate, there is NO EVIDENCE to support that a homosexual or
|
||
bisexual individual is more predisposed to molesting children, raping
|
||
other individuals, or, yes, sticking small furry animals in body
|
||
cavities than a heterosexual one is. There is, indeed, evidence to
|
||
support that homo/bi people are likely to be more promiscuous than
|
||
heteros. I consider this unfortunate at best (and dangerous at worst),
|
||
but my moral judgment on the matter comes from the promiscuity, not the
|
||
sexual orientation.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: MAX
|
||
To: SNAKEBYTE
|
||
Subject: Defective...
|
||
Date & Time: 07/29/90 13:24:58
|
||
Message Number 6941
|
||
|
||
> But that would make you prejudice against prejudice people, making you
|
||
> prejudice against yourself...
|
||
|
||
This is, in the words of the Specialist, manifest bullshit. In point of
|
||
fact, I didn't say I discriminated against people who discriminate; I
|
||
just disagree with them. I've known the Specialist for about two years
|
||
and have known his intense hatred of homosexuality for almost that long;
|
||
I don't agree with his opinion, he doesn't agree with mine, but that
|
||
doesn't mean we've stopped associating with each other or respecting the
|
||
other one's opinion & judgments (even - gasp! - when there's a
|
||
disagreement).
|
||
It sounds to me like you think I can't be prejudiced against anyone
|
||
else who's prejudiced, because then I would be prejudiced against
|
||
myself. By this logic, I must have to agree with everyone who says
|
||
things I don't agree with. This doesn't work to begin with. And if you
|
||
think I have no grounds for "discriminating" against members of the
|
||
American Nazi party or the KKK, you are the one who needs to re-examine
|
||
your thinking -- not me.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: ANGEL
|
||
To: *.*
|
||
Subject: rip
|
||
Date & Time: 07/29/90 14:28:57
|
||
Message Number 6942
|
||
|
||
"Really, I'm fine. Don't worry about it." But Wezip ignored
|
||
Angel's remarks. The fox took the first aid kit that Xon finally
|
||
discovered behind the bar.
|
||
"Angel, be quiet, let me take care of you."
|
||
"You don't have to -- Hey, don't! ... Too late." Angel was
|
||
unable to stop Wezip as he took hands to the small tear on her blouse
|
||
and ripped it wide open to get a closer look at the wound. "It's not
|
||
just musical instruments, you guys are tough on clothing, too."
|
||
Cleaning the blood from the wound, Wezip had to agree that it really
|
||
was a minor injury. There was a gash in the upper arm about three
|
||
inches long, but very shallow, with no major blood vessels torn. No
|
||
longer concerned about her safety, he was more disturbed by the action
|
||
of the wound. It seemed as if the wound was repairing itself before
|
||
his eyes. Very slowly, the sides of the open cut seemed to move closer
|
||
together, trying to make whole the damage. Looking up at her face, for
|
||
the first time he noticed there was no trace of the cut there that she
|
||
had received the night before.
|
||
"I thought you knew no magic," Wezip said.
|
||
"It's not magic. It's just me. How do you think I've lived all
|
||
these centuries?"
|
||
"All these centuries?" asked Sam. "Strange, you don't look a day
|
||
over one hundred." Sam seemed undamaged by the explosion, a situation
|
||
Angel considered rectifying. Fortunately for the little ragamuffin,
|
||
Wezip stood between Angel and _her_.
|
||
"So, Wezip, you're having visitors? How nice. And how many
|
||
ladies will there be?"
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: MIKE GREENAWALD
|
||
Subject: gates of...
|
||
Date & Time: 07/29/90 19:57:16
|
||
Message Number 6944
|
||
|
||
>I was referring to Plato.
|
||
|
||
I know.
|
||
|
||
>The philosophy I was talking about was the basis for the Catholic
|
||
>religion.
|
||
|
||
In what way? Last I heard, Christianity wasn't too fond of the teachings
|
||
of the pagan Greeks, particularly not Catholicism.
|
||
|
||
Def Leppard is the name of a rock group.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
Subject: Earth.
|
||
Date & Time: 07/29/90 20:01:06
|
||
Message Number 6945
|
||
|
||
>You are really gonna get hell when I se you next for that remark.
|
||
|
||
Promises, promises. I shall await with utmost fascination to see what
|
||
kind of hell you're going to give me.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: ANGEL
|
||
Subject: definition
|
||
Date & Time: 07/29/90 20:02:59
|
||
Message Number 6946
|
||
|
||
>If you want a whole new perspective on the Good Book...
|
||
|
||
...and a decidedly strange one. The Jehovah's Witnesses are a remarkable
|
||
bunch when it comes to the art of creative interpretation.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: NAME
|
||
Subject: Truth
|
||
Date & Time: 07/29/90 20:09:16
|
||
Message Number 6947
|
||
|
||
>The Bible was not written for outsiders.
|
||
|
||
Really? I find it hard to believe that the sole purpose of the Bible is
|
||
to preach to the convinced.
|
||
|
||
I'm fascinated by your assertion that the only way to become convinced
|
||
of the authenticity of Christianity is to become a Christian--that is,
|
||
to be convinced of the authenticity of Christianity. Unfortunately, I've
|
||
heard the line before--"you won't understand until you become one of
|
||
us." That's a really popular line of reasoning that's been used to
|
||
support a number of rather ghastly institutions. In any event, your
|
||
reasoning isn't going to impress anyone who's not a Christian already
|
||
(someone who is will, presumably, nod sagely); if there is, in fact, no
|
||
way for a non-Christian to believe in the tenants of Christianity, then
|
||
it's going to be pretty hard for Christianity to spread, isn't it? It
|
||
also has no bearing on the truth of the Christian tenants; to say that
|
||
you can only understand them if you believe is rather like saying "only
|
||
a believer believes this." Yes, that's true, but I hardly think the
|
||
assertion that only one who believes in Christianity can truly under-
|
||
stand it is the best argument in favor of Christianity I've ever heard.
|
||
|
||
>Jesus was Truth, ...
|
||
|
||
How do you know?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: NAME
|
||
Subject: Bible
|
||
Date & Time: 07/29/90 20:17:46
|
||
Message Number 6948
|
||
|
||
>I am a monotheist.
|
||
|
||
The Trinity is composed of three parts; otherwise, it wouldn't be a
|
||
Trinity. A monotheist worships a singular god. A triunal god is not a
|
||
singular god by definition.
|
||
|
||
"Christian theologians can prove that Christianity is a monotheistic
|
||
religion, but it takes some fancy footwork." --Dr. Lee Snyder, Professor
|
||
of Islamic Studies.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: SNAKEBYTE
|
||
Subject: Moral/Popular
|
||
Date & Time: 07/29/90 20:21:42
|
||
Message Number 6949
|
||
|
||
I would say that using a living organism as a sex toy, in a process
|
||
is likely to kill the organism, is animal abuse, which is immoral
|
||
regardless of the sexual orientation of the person performing the act.
|
||
It also has nothing whatever to do with the morality of homosexuality.
|
||
|
||
(If you're really interested, I've heard of this practice before. It's
|
||
called "gerbiling," and it is /not/ limited to homosexuals. The process
|
||
is almost invariably fatal to the animal in question. Yes, I consider
|
||
that "sick." What's your point?)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: SNAKEBYTE
|
||
Subject: Really placid
|
||
Date & Time: 07/29/90 20:24:49
|
||
Message Number 6950
|
||
|
||
>bestiality (assuming consenting animals)...
|
||
|
||
By definition, a non-sapient animal can not give informed consent to
|
||
anything. Bestiality is animal abuse.
|
||
|
||
>sex with children (assuming consenting children)...
|
||
|
||
Likewise. A six-year-old is not capable of giving "informed consent"
|
||
to something of this nature, and in any event (1) most child molestors
|
||
don't ask for permission first and (2) children are not physically
|
||
developed to the point where they are capable of sexual behavior. Child
|
||
molestation is a particularly savage form of rape.
|
||
|
||
>What would you do if a man gave you "that look"...
|
||
|
||
As long as that's /all/ he did, absolutely nothing. He's not affecting
|
||
me in any way. My feelings would neither be good nor bad; I wouldn't
|
||
waste my time worrying about it. I am secure enough in my own sexuality
|
||
that it simply wouldn't bother me. On the other hand, I wouldn't /sleep/
|
||
with him, either. There is a difference between another person's thought
|
||
and his action.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: MIKE GREENAWALD
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: gates of...
|
||
Date & Time: 07/29/90 20:55:24
|
||
Message Number 6951
|
||
|
||
Christians in this neck of the woods do not like to admit it but people
|
||
up my way have no problem with admitting when ideas are borrowed.
|
||
The religious ceremony that I attended this morning is a mixture
|
||
of the Catholic and Episcopalian services. There was a priest doing the
|
||
sacrements and a minister doing the preaching. I am a Congregationalist
|
||
and several Jews were there. The service was a community event
|
||
If you do not do the Euchorist(ms) you could obstain. I did and
|
||
felt no harm as a result. My jewish friends sat out with me. My catholi
|
||
buddy went forward. I did not feel sorry for him. He was worshiping
|
||
the same God as I. He just did it differently.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: ANGEL
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: definition
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 00:50:46
|
||
Message Number 6952
|
||
|
||
>...and a decidedly strange one. The Jehovah's Witnesses are a remark-
|
||
>able bunch when it comes to the art of creative interpretation.
|
||
Ah, strange and wondrous. Actually, from what I've read from their
|
||
books, their unique interpretations, taken as a whole, hold up rather
|
||
well without having to resort to a lot of "fill-in-the-gap" theology.
|
||
Of course, the whole is a rather bizarre one, but quite logical within
|
||
its own framework.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: AJ-<TOPGUN>-
|
||
Subject: Defective...
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 01:40:51
|
||
Message Number 6953
|
||
|
||
>I< am not the one that considers homosexuality a "sickness". That
|
||
user is The Specialist. /I/ was asking /him/ for evidence to support
|
||
/his/ claim that homosexuality is a sickness.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: BIG LEW
|
||
Subject: express
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 01:43:23
|
||
Message Number 6954
|
||
|
||
> Is this stuff for real...?
|
||
|
||
Yep, as real as my hand. You can find it at any toy store.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: RAVEN
|
||
Subject: express
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 01:45:32
|
||
Message Number 6955
|
||
|
||
> Sounds like the same slime that was marketed about 5 years ago...
|
||
|
||
Okay, I must be insane, but you're wrong. I purchased some of the
|
||
"He-Man and the Masters of the Universe" Slime-Pit Slime (I'm not making
|
||
this up either!!) back then...
|
||
The He-Man slime was thicker, attracted dirt,wasn't transparent, and
|
||
didn't leave residue on your hands... The Turtles slime is transparent,
|
||
stickier, thinner, and stays clean. Also, the He-Man slime stayed in
|
||
it's original form (mostly)... it actually got HARDER the longer you had
|
||
it, rather than liquifying....
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: express
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 01:53:33
|
||
Message Number 6956
|
||
|
||
> ...how to make oobleck...
|
||
|
||
Oooh, can I have some?!!? I like that idea! (Actually, tell me how to
|
||
do it, and I'll see if I can do it in chemistry next year...)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Bias in bias
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 01:54:59
|
||
Message Number 6957
|
||
|
||
> ALWAYS anal retentive about grammar.
|
||
|
||
And I agree fully. I don't mind if someone makes a common mistake that
|
||
sounds fine (although it still IS wrong)... I hate things like "This IS
|
||
the message bases"....
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: spam
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 02:00:20
|
||
Message Number 6958
|
||
|
||
> I thought that was spelled DILDO?
|
||
|
||
Actually, I don't understand what that had to do with Spam, but it
|
||
gives me the opportunity to share my favorite self-created childish
|
||
acronym:
|
||
|
||
O-rganization
|
||
R-eading
|
||
G-ood
|
||
A-nd
|
||
S-uper
|
||
M-aterials
|
||
|
||
I used this in a description of a text file I wrote, which ironically
|
||
(come to think of it) was titled Spam... (!!!) Wow, weird how that
|
||
happened... must be a psyhic occurance... from SPAM to DILDO to ORGASM
|
||
to SPAM... that must qualify for />WEIRDNESS</ is someone's book...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: Really placid
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 02:07:29
|
||
Message Number 6959
|
||
|
||
> Conform! Conform! You can feel your brain turning into butter...
|
||
|
||
What does it turn into if you DON'T conform??
|
||
|
||
By the way, your brain doesn't turn into butter, it turns into eggs...
|
||
don't you remember the ad campaign?? I mean, "last time; any questions".
|
||
How can you forget!!
|
||
|
||
;)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: express
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 02:15:48
|
||
Message Number 6960
|
||
|
||
By the way, on the subject of oobleck... how do you get your hand OUT
|
||
after it gets in there? Do you use a heat source to make the stuff turn
|
||
to liquid and then pull your hand out?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
Subject: Ziggy
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 02:21:20
|
||
Message Number 6961
|
||
|
||
> still have my LP's though...
|
||
|
||
Me too, I'll have them forever, probably...
|
||
|
||
> ...cover art was the greatest. Can't fit that much on a CD.
|
||
|
||
Yeah, but it's millions of times better than a cassette!! I love
|
||
looking at cassette insrts to see how they fit it all in... folding it
|
||
as thick as the cassette itself is getting common....
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: ANGEL
|
||
Subject: things...
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 02:27:05
|
||
Message Number 6962
|
||
|
||
> Did I at least get the title of the Star Trek episode right?
|
||
|
||
Yep. What really nags me is the fact that I NOTICED the mistake... ooh
|
||
... I'm turning into a mindless blob of useless information!! Exactly
|
||
why I want to own a video store or work for Universal Studios... they
|
||
can probably put my useless facts to work. God knows I picked up more of
|
||
them when I was there...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: SNAKEBYTE
|
||
Subject: Really placid
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 02:33:34
|
||
Message Number 6963
|
||
|
||
I think you might be stirring up more trouble than neccesary. You agree
|
||
(as far as I see) with the idea that this is your OPINION, and not a
|
||
fact. Max and Turtle have been
|
||
getting onto the Specialist because he says that being gay is a sickness
|
||
without facts.
|
||
As you gave an example, I don't see how they could disagree with you.
|
||
Granted, sticking a live mouse in your anal cavity is quite odd, but
|
||
calling it sick can fall into the same category as telling someone that
|
||
masturbation is self abuse and self polution... I got that definition
|
||
from a dictionary. Not very descriptive of the act itself, is it...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: SNAKEBYTE
|
||
Subject: Defective...
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 02:43:36
|
||
Message Number 6964
|
||
|
||
> that would make you prejudice against prejudice people, making you
|
||
> prejudice against yourself...
|
||
|
||
Not neccesarily... the definition of prejudice is judging a group of
|
||
people by a small number, such as saying that all blacks are stupid
|
||
becuase you know two that are. Maxnever seemed to express a prejudice,
|
||
just an opinion that he doesn't like the fact that they are prejudiced.
|
||
You can't really apply the definition anyway, since he isn't judging a
|
||
group that has members that are different. By saying "prejudiced people"
|
||
, you are defining a group that has no subgroups of un-prejudiced people
|
||
...
|
||
A term that would make more sense in your message would b
|
||
"descrimination", but he doesn't descriminate against people either...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: ALL
|
||
Subject: VH-1
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 03:01:16
|
||
Message Number 6965
|
||
|
||
Well, VH1 had a "Blonde on Blonde" Sunday. Yep, 24 hours of Marilyn
|
||
Monroe and Madonna! ARGH! Sounds like some sort of torture... Madonna
|
||
actually had Marilyn outdone here, as VH1 has about 2 hours of Madonna
|
||
programming, as opposed to 1/2 hour of Marilyn Monroe... and this goes
|
||
on and on for 24 HOURS!
|
||
You can always tape the "Papa Don't Preach" video and play it back in
|
||
slow-motion to watch for the two split seconds where Madonna sort of
|
||
"popped out" of her dress... yep, no joke, this was published in a
|
||
magazine.
|
||
|
||
One question about that video: Is that Danny Aiello playing Madonna's
|
||
father??
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: RUFUS
|
||
To: BEATLE
|
||
Subject: express
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 03:14:32
|
||
Message Number 6967
|
||
|
||
Well, to get free of oobleck, there are a few things you can do.
|
||
1)Chop your hand off.
|
||
2)Set your arm on fire, which should heat your hand up, melting the
|
||
oobleck.
|
||
3)Get some 18 molar acid, pour it in the oobleck. It eats wood, eats
|
||
flesh (my flesh to be exact), so I'm sure it would enjoy an oobleck
|
||
hor de dorve, or is that horse douvers?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: RUFUS
|
||
To: BEATLE
|
||
Subject: VH-1
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 03:18:55
|
||
Message Number 6968
|
||
|
||
This Wednesday MTV is having 24 hours (yea, a whole day) of Madonna.
|
||
24 hours, as in none of their usual game shows and such. Ghods...I used
|
||
to like MTV. Now it's...it's.....bleck.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Heart
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 13:37:13
|
||
Message Number 6969
|
||
|
||
Answer me this:
|
||
What exactly is normal?
|
||
The Lady
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
To: SNAKEBYTE
|
||
Subject: Really placid
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 13:53:06
|
||
Message Number 6970
|
||
|
||
The argument is biased. It is not fair for any one person to label a
|
||
behavior "normal" or "abnormal"...there are types of behavior that we
|
||
choose to accept and types that we choose not to accept...that does not
|
||
necessarily make them "right" or "wrong". I choose to accept homosexual
|
||
ity...I've been given no reason not to...it doesn't affect me in any
|
||
negative way...I can go on having a heterosexual relationship without
|
||
being offended or bothered by someones' homosexual relationship...it's
|
||
simple...it's not my business. Who am I to tell a gay man that he has
|
||
no right to sleep with another man...should he be allowed to tell me tha
|
||
t I am not entitled to sleep with a man? NO. It's not his business.
|
||
Morality is in the eye of the beholder...you make it what it is...I
|
||
do not approve of rape or incest, but that is for an obvious reason...it
|
||
is a forced behavior...We live in America...what happened to freedom of
|
||
speech? What happened to a persons right to privacy? WE are all so
|
||
busy trying to impose morality on people that we've actually become
|
||
completely immoral. Freud would love to see how the chain of messages
|
||
on this BBS has developed...I think it's kinda sad...I find it
|
||
amusing to see how someone can call a person a nasty name and not expect
|
||
to get labeled...after all, haven't you just labeled someone yourself...
|
||
What happened to mature adults? Don't they exist anymore? Isn't anyone
|
||
capable of debating an issue without dragging morality into it?
|
||
HMPH! I guess I'll warp back into the 40's....
|
||
The Lady
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
To: SNAKEBYTE
|
||
Subject: hi
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 14:04:28
|
||
Message Number 6971
|
||
|
||
Could say the same to you...what's new and exciting?
|
||
The Lady
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Earth.
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 14:09:45
|
||
Message Number 6972
|
||
|
||
:> A deserving hell thou shall recieve....maybe I'll subject you to
|
||
my debate over a homosexual's rights....they do have rights, y'know?
|
||
The lady]
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
To: BEATLE
|
||
Subject: Ziggy
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 14:14:30
|
||
Message Number 6973
|
||
|
||
Album art can never be matched, though....
|
||
:)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: RUFUS
|
||
Subject: VH-1
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 17:13:43
|
||
Message Number 6975
|
||
|
||
> none of their usual game shows and such.
|
||
|
||
Which means no "Just Say Julie"!!! And that show is getting funnier,
|
||
too... Ugghhh...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
Subject: Really placid
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 17:16:51
|
||
Message Number 6976
|
||
|
||
>...rape or incest...forced...
|
||
|
||
Incest isn't always forced, but it's still in a similar category...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BIG LEW
|
||
To: NAME
|
||
Subject: TRUTH
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 17:37:07
|
||
Message Number 6977
|
||
|
||
I like the way you put this message. Nobody has ever said it quite like
|
||
that to me and although, I am born again and DO believe in everlasting
|
||
life, reading your message gave me a good feeling. I think people are
|
||
afraid to read the Bible, but they read everything else to improve their
|
||
lives (I mean TRY to improve their lives). The ten commandments would
|
||
keep the world in line, if we would all live by them. Enjoy your views
|
||
a lot. Thanks.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BIG LEW
|
||
To: SNAKEBYTE
|
||
Subject: Moral/Popular
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 17:42:45
|
||
Message Number 6978
|
||
|
||
What a sicko! Is this story for real? Maybe the "guy" should have died
|
||
Who knows what he'll put up it next and for what purpose? I honestly
|
||
cannot believe that this is for real- mind you, I'm not questioning you,
|
||
you're only relaying what was told to you. I am quite conservative, I
|
||
guess, but this is just not "normal"; in fact, homosexuality is not
|
||
normal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: gates of...
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 20:01:51
|
||
Message Number 6979
|
||
|
||
Hold on, hooooollldd on - whoa I say! Lemmee do some more in depth
|
||
research - I got kinda sidetracked on some neat stuff in Isaiah but
|
||
I'm still trying to find some stuff out about it. For now - it appears
|
||
that you are correct in a couple of respects. I'm tracking down and
|
||
rounding up a few thinks in Luke that seems to agree with what you
|
||
maintain with it not being intended as a place of punishment. There are
|
||
a few anomolies that I would like to clear up about references in the OT
|
||
where contrary (?) to a staement you made, Sheol is mentioned several
|
||
times - HOWEVER - it is rendered as "the grave" for some arcane reason
|
||
I am trying to fathom by the translators. It seems to be one of those
|
||
things that the intent is modified by the context and not due to any
|
||
desire on the part of the translators to map the text into an existing
|
||
theology. I must say thanks for a rewarding line of research!
|
||
Question: how, if any, would a revelation that God doesn't keep a
|
||
personal torture chamber affect your perceptions? I really get the
|
||
impression that the objection to hell was a sideline to the real issue
|
||
of a decided non-belief in a creator.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Pop Quiz
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 20:10:24
|
||
Message Number 6980
|
||
|
||
Huh? Waitadamminite! It was quite ok for YOU to assume a passage thru
|
||
terra-non-firma. Assume therefor a black hole or some other mass
|
||
that is capable of exerting a gravitational attraction upon the ball.
|
||
Assume also a passing trajectory that causes the ball to become entrappe
|
||
by the gravitational field. Air resistance et al has nothing to do
|
||
with a decaying orbit from the rsults of insufficient escape velocity.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Truth
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 20:13:38
|
||
Message Number 6981
|
||
|
||
I believe B.Dalton has it in the philosophy section.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Caves of...
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 20:14:48
|
||
Message Number 6982
|
||
|
||
No no, I read Phaeto long ago and the cave analogy etc - I was trying to
|
||
figure out what in the devil HE was referring to in that context - I
|
||
got lost somewhere.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Pop Quiz
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 20:16:12
|
||
Message Number 6983
|
||
|
||
That's dumb!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: express
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 20:17:16
|
||
Message Number 6984
|
||
|
||
And then if you piss them off (not *too* hard) they will clam up
|
||
and imitate normal mossy-looking stuff complete with spore pods and
|
||
filaments. I used to get filthy in the woods in Alabama looking for
|
||
various worts and other fungi.. sigh* those were fun days!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Defective...
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 20:19:42
|
||
Message Number 6985
|
||
|
||
'Tis true I admit - but I was told by the honorable perfessors that
|
||
they prefer to cling to a faulty model rather than none at all!
|
||
Truth is - they just have not one clue and piss-poor correlation
|
||
between the things that would "normally" be suspect in such cases; ie
|
||
hormones, chemical imbalances, genetics.... It's kind of like the
|
||
state of physics - they have a lot of macromodels that make sense
|
||
in their own context - now to make 'em fit the larger scheme of
|
||
things.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: AJ-<TOPGUN>-
|
||
Subject: Shrink
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 20:23:16
|
||
Message Number 6986
|
||
|
||
Silly me to pass on such an obvious answer!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: MIKE GREENAWALD
|
||
Subject: Really annoying
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 20:26:20
|
||
Message Number 6987
|
||
|
||
It means - "it does not follow" and is a term used when somebody
|
||
says something that is unrelated (or not obvious) to the current
|
||
idea of discussion. Like we are talking about roses and their
|
||
propagation and you pipe up with "my mother-in-law has a really
|
||
nasty wart on her chin with a hair in it..."
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: MAX
|
||
Subject: relationships
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 20:29:39
|
||
Message Number 6988
|
||
|
||
>fundamental contradiction up there somewhere...?
|
||
|
||
Where's that?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
Subject: Ziggy
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 20:31:19
|
||
Message Number 6989
|
||
|
||
Sighhh - I know. Those itty bitty damned CD covers that snap off
|
||
my ex got paint all over the Ziggy cover and LP but I still keep it
|
||
for a reminder of a very good period of my life... I used to
|
||
buy LP's just for thwe cover art - y'know? I was seldom disappointed!
|
||
Seems the more effort that went into the cover was worth the effort.
|
||
There have even been a few controversial ones - remember the Blind Faith
|
||
albumn cover? What a scandal - now you can see the origianal on the CD
|
||
version and it's no big deal.
|
||
I have been looking since the early 70's for a couple of albumns by an
|
||
african group called OSIBISA which they said was a word that described
|
||
(eddie murphey "Coming to America" voice) "Criss-cross rhythmns of
|
||
flowing music..." The albumn covers were done ala' YES with elephants
|
||
that were flying with dragonfly wings - simply beautiful! Someone
|
||
liberated my copies *sob*!
|
||
Anyway - glad to see you back - I wondered what became of you and Turtle
|
||
specified that your 'puter was giving you grief. We're still supposed
|
||
to do tacos some night...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
Subject: ...Earth Callin
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 20:38:47
|
||
Message Number 6990
|
||
|
||
****** Hi Babe! ******** Krrrrrrcchhhhhhh! JonBoy out...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
Subject: Earth?
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 20:39:25
|
||
Message Number 6991
|
||
|
||
Yngling is in the process of becoming disgustingly domesticated!
|
||
I mean that house has actually yard-trained him already! Imagine!
|
||
My neighbors finally came over and wanted to know when I was gonna cut
|
||
my lawn - said "glad you volunteered!". He only charged me $15 which
|
||
suits me just fine! Leaves me time to ride my bike, program the ol
|
||
AT, and play lots of guitar - Ahhhh! The single life!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: ANGEL
|
||
Subject: definition
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 20:42:53
|
||
Message Number 6992
|
||
|
||
I'm not gonna nibble - Episcopals have a lot in common with the RC
|
||
church whatever your group wants to call them is fine by me but I will
|
||
stand by my statement. They in fact ALL purport to have obtained
|
||
"special" revelations that supercede the Bible. The Mormons even have
|
||
their own books that supposedly chronicle the ministry of Jesus here in
|
||
the New World - calling the Book of Mormon and the Pearl of Great Price
|
||
biblical books is stretching it. The Seventh Day Adventists assert that
|
||
everyone is wrong (pretty stridently I might add) because by George, if
|
||
God wanted to worshipped on Sunday He would have said so! As it is -
|
||
your worship is invalid and unrecognized in the eyes of God because it
|
||
doesn't fall on His holy day which any idiot knows the Catholic Bishop
|
||
whatshisname screwed up when his calculator fritzed during some
|
||
right ascension calculations necessitating some rough figures and he
|
||
slipped by a whole day - the Jews still have it right!
|
||
Sorry - these people are guilty of what everyone tries to accuse
|
||
"mainstream" Christians of - accusing everyone of being apostate and
|
||
they are the true "keepers of the flame". MAybe its these people that
|
||
are causing ALL the ruckus and sharing the blame?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: ANGEL
|
||
Subject: gates of...
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 20:51:20
|
||
Message Number 6993
|
||
|
||
Small world - I work VERY closely with Steve. He is bucking for
|
||
a job as top computer systems weinie at Hi-Stat as it is he is a
|
||
middle level manager and maintains the LAN and carries the Holy
|
||
Flag of PC's for everyone into battle against the Dark Knight
|
||
of VAX for those whose deserve it! Give him a call 355-9761 and
|
||
ask the operator for him.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: ANGEL
|
||
Subject: Devil & Billy M
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 20:54:31
|
||
Message Number 6994
|
||
|
||
I like it - the article I am talking about is TRULY blasphemous and
|
||
would cause weak-hearted Christians to die of massive heart-attack.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: ANGEL
|
||
Subject: Truth
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 20:56:03
|
||
Message Number 6995
|
||
|
||
Maybe I expect (or hope) too hard that people can see apoint that to
|
||
me is obvious (of course! and no - I'm NOT that naive). Church
|
||
history is rampant with persecutions of the early christians. For
|
||
hundreds of years these people lived in the sewers of Rome for
|
||
their beliefs they lived year in and out in an atmosphere that was
|
||
heavy with the possibility of death at the arena or crucifiction.
|
||
Think about it... our entire nation hasn't been around as long as
|
||
a SHORT section of these persecutions (which came in waves).
|
||
I'm sorry - Hitler's influence lasted not even throught the war as
|
||
silly things like lack of food took their toll on the moral of
|
||
the people. We are talking a faith that sustained generations of
|
||
people through unbelievable hardships and in the process still
|
||
managed to get converts to the faith. It is estimated that there
|
||
are over 40,000 christian graves in the underground catacombs of
|
||
Rome and untold hundreds of thousands were burned alive, crucified
|
||
and thrown to the wild beasts. Even the Roman jailers were awed by the
|
||
determination of the christians. One slave girl was repeatedly raped
|
||
and tortured day and night until she died. When asked to turn against
|
||
her fellow christians she would only say "We are Christians and do
|
||
no evil amongst ourselves." These people finally won over some of
|
||
the emperors and finally the killing ceased.
|
||
Can you think of another culture that has not only endured such
|
||
treatment but have overcome in the process? Only one I know of andf
|
||
that is the Jewish people. Full-Circle.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BOB ARDREN
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: Age
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 21:43:42
|
||
Message Number 6996
|
||
|
||
Just reading a bunch of your messages Jonbody. New kid on the block here
|
||
so I've no history--but frankly you really were bitching more than a lit
|
||
tle about the younger generation. And we all know that's an old story.
|
||
Besides, to tell the truth, the intention was a little gentle kidding.
|
||
There is room for humor here, no?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: ANGEL
|
||
To: BEATLE
|
||
Subject: things...
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 22:26:03
|
||
Message Number 6997
|
||
|
||
Ooh, finally I find someone who's been to Universal Studios. What's
|
||
it like (most particularly, is it worth the outrageous entry fee)?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: ANGEL
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: definition
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 22:39:16
|
||
Message Number 6998
|
||
|
||
You've really lost me on this post. I'm not sure what you're talking
|
||
about. Please define "mainstream" Christianity; from your posts I'm
|
||
beginning to think that you define mainstream as any group that shares
|
||
your beliefs, and "cult" as any Christian group that doesn't. If I
|
||
am wrong, please enlighten me.
|
||
>Maybe its these people that are causing ALL the ruckus and
|
||
>sharing the blame?
|
||
Huh? Really can't follow this one.
|
||
Oh, other day couldn't find my dictionary, but have it now. According
|
||
to Webster "cult 1. a system of religious worship or ritual
|
||
2 a) devoted attachment to, or extravagant admiration for, a person,
|
||
principle, etc., esp. when regarded as a fad b) the object of such
|
||
attachment. 3. a group of followers; sect"
|
||
General definition does not mention Christianity at all, as your
|
||
definition particularly cited.
|
||
Oh, and thanks for informing me that there are many similarities
|
||
between the Episcopal Church and the RC church. Wow! What a news
|
||
flash! Personally, I like to think of it as "Catholic Lite". You
|
||
get the neat ceremonies, but you don't have to worry about the
|
||
opinions of the guy with the big pointed hat in Rome.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: ANGEL
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: small world
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 22:49:57
|
||
Message Number 6999
|
||
|
||
Small world, indeed! Please give my best to Steve next time you see
|
||
him. And thanks for the number, I'll give him a call to catch up on
|
||
old times. What do you do at Hi-Stat (are you employed there, or
|
||
some other way associated with them)?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: ANGEL
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: Truth
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 23:16:37
|
||
Message Number 7000
|
||
|
||
Yes, the immediate group to come to mind are the Jews. But next comes
|
||
the followers of Islam, who certainly have overcome in the process.
|
||
I, too, am awed at the serenity and faith of the early Christians.
|
||
But, the point of this was, you are trying to use the faith as an
|
||
arguement about the validity of their beliefs. The fact that many
|
||
have suffered and died and overcome, does not really give credence
|
||
to the belief, just to their longevity. And if you try to use shear
|
||
numbers as an arguement ... that won't really work. Christianity is
|
||
not the largest religion practiced on this planet.
|
||
I do see your point ... I just cannot agree with your conclusion.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: MIKE GREENAWALD
|
||
Subject: gates of...
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 23:51:26
|
||
Message Number 7001
|
||
|
||
Yes, Christians as a whole aren't too keen on admitting when parts of
|
||
their religion are borrowed. I don't see how that relates to your
|
||
assertion that Catholicism is based largely on Plato's ideas. The
|
||
Platonic idea of "perfect forms" has very little to do with
|
||
Catholicism, I fear.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: ANGEL
|
||
Subject: definition
|
||
Date & Time: 07/30/90 23:55:10
|
||
Message Number 7002
|
||
|
||
>Of course, the whole is a rather bizzare one, but quite logical
|
||
>within its own framework.
|
||
|
||
This is part of the problem with a totally self-contained belief system
|
||
of any sort. I'd say that Christianity suffers from the same problem,
|
||
although it's not quite so bizzare--or so perfectly defined. A
|
||
system such as Christianity (or in fact almost /any/ religion) is
|
||
hermetically sealed from the real world--it can neither be proven nor
|
||
disproven from without, and if it avoids any gross errors with self-
|
||
consistency it can't be disproven from within, either. Of course, I
|
||
wonder what value such a system has--when it comes right down to it,
|
||
it's not terribly helpful if you're trying to understand the universe
|
||
around you. I can fabricate the existance of s divine being with any
|
||
characteristics I choose, create a whole detailed theology around this
|
||
deity, and as long as I make sure it dovetails with the general
|
||
conception, viola! A brand-new religion that absolutely cannot be dis:
|
||
proven by any feat of logic whatever.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: BEATLE
|
||
Subject: express
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 00:03:30
|
||
Message Number 7003
|
||
|
||
The stuff isn't that tough. Keep wiggling your hand and you'll create a
|
||
pool of liquid oobleck around it, and you can work your hand out fairly
|
||
easily. Now mix some CONCRETE with the oobleck and you've got a
|
||
stickier problem.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: RUFUS
|
||
Subject: VH-1
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 00:06:31
|
||
Message Number 7004
|
||
|
||
24 hours of Madonna? I can't think of a blessed thing I'd like more,
|
||
EXCEPT MAYBE HAVING MY TONGUE WRAPPED AROUND A QUISINART BLADE!!!
|
||
24 hours of Madonna sounds like a truly orgasmic feast of pure pleasure-
|
||
IF YOU ENJOY THREE-METER DIVING INTO BUCKETS OF RUSTY NAILS.
|
||
Madonna is truly incomparable in the field of modern music--
|
||
BECAUSE THERE'S NOBODY AROUND WHO WOULDN'T KILL YOU IF YOU COMPARED THEM
|
||
TO HER!!!!!!!
|
||
|
||
--An aggravated Turtle
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
Subject: Earth.
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 00:10:11
|
||
Message Number 7005
|
||
|
||
>...maybe I'll subject you to my debates over a homosexual's rights...
|
||
>they do have rights, y'know?
|
||
|
||
Really?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: gates of...
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 00:12:58
|
||
Message Number 7006
|
||
|
||
The objection I have to hell is one of the things I dislike about
|
||
Christianity as it is currently practiced, not an objection to
|
||
Christianity in general. The objection I have to Christianity in
|
||
general is a lot simpler: I don't buy into the entire belief system
|
||
at all. (Haven't found a belief system I /do/ buy into yet, although I
|
||
must admit that Wicca has impressed me more than any of the other
|
||
religions I've come across so far.)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: Pop Quiz
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 00:18:28
|
||
Message Number 7007
|
||
|
||
Well, yes, it was a rather big step to assume that the ball could
|
||
pass through the ground--I threw that in because it illustrates more
|
||
clearly the path the ball is /trying/ to follow. It wouldn't try to
|
||
describe a spiral because the path it's trying to follow is an
|
||
ellipse around the planet's center of mass--it'd only start spiralling
|
||
if it did, in fact, make it into orbit, in which case what it's
|
||
trying to do is assume an elliptical orbit that's closer to the planet's
|
||
surface, only before it can make it the planet gets in the way. When you
|
||
throw it up, it /starts out/ in a stable orbit--but the planet gets
|
||
in the way before it gets very far.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: Pop Quiz
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 00:22:34
|
||
Message Number 7008
|
||
|
||
Yes, it is dumb. Funny, but dumb. (You don't believe it's funny, corner
|
||
somebody on the street and tell it to him--his expression will almost
|
||
certainly amuse you.)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: gates of...
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 00:26:55
|
||
Message Number 7009
|
||
|
||
>...carries the Holy Flag of PC's for everyone into battle against
|
||
>the Dark Knight of VAX...
|
||
|
||
AAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: Truth
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 00:29:51
|
||
Message Number 7010
|
||
|
||
>Can you think of another culture that has not only endured such
|
||
>treatment but has overcome in the process?
|
||
|
||
Buddhists, during the First Dynasty in Japan when the emperor declared
|
||
Shinto to be the official religion and reserved special persecution for
|
||
those who were unfortunate enough to admit that they were Buddhist?
|
||
|
||
...or is that a rhetorical question?
|
||
|
||
I'd still say that the fact that a belief is popular, or capable of
|
||
inspiring fanaticism among its followers, or even long-lived doesn't
|
||
necessarily have any bearing on its validity.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: <*>:*.*.*
|
||
Subject: -///-
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 00:34:46
|
||
Message Number 7011
|
||
|
||
"It's too far away," Turtle says unnecessarily as Mulligan comes to the
|
||
same conclusion himself. The reptile gazes around the bar, then pokes
|
||
at the piano, still sending the odd trail of smoke into the air. "I
|
||
like pianos," he says to nobody in particular. "Um, you know, you don't
|
||
just bring something like that into Ranea, and I don't care WHO you are.
|
||
Ain't nobody nowhere would bring a thing like that here just to get one
|
||
person. Doesn't matter how pissed off they were, there's easier ways to
|
||
go after somebody, you know? That thing was already here before somebody
|
||
took a liking to our friendly local insurance salesman. I bet Wezip's
|
||
right arm that someone's started stockpiling--uh--stock...hey, are you
|
||
listening to me?" The turtle makes an exasperated noise at Mulligan's
|
||
back. "I said, there's--oh, never mind." Turtle makes a rude noise and
|
||
sits heavily on the stool next to Rufus, which collapses under his
|
||
weight, dumping the surprised-looking reptile on the floor for the
|
||
third time today. He picks it up and turns it over to reveal the scorch
|
||
marks on its underside. "Um, where's Donthen? He needs to get better
|
||
bar furniture, you know?"
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: ANGEL
|
||
Subject: things...
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 01:27:26
|
||
Message Number 7013
|
||
|
||
>...is it worth the outrageous entry fee?
|
||
|
||
Well, it all depends. I, myself, would pay $30 to see the backlot
|
||
where they filmed "Back to the Future"... unfortunately, that's still
|
||
standing in California, and not here...
|
||
The rides at Universal aren't big "rides" like rollercoasters, but if
|
||
you're interested in film and such, then it doesn't really matter. When
|
||
I went, the ride part of "Earthquake" was closed, and "Kongfrontation"
|
||
was closed totally. The "Jaws" ride is fun. The "E.T." ride is really
|
||
spectacular, and I felt compensated for the two 1/2 hours waiting the
|
||
first day (the next day, we got through in ten minutes, being in front
|
||
of the line)...
|
||
|
||
If you're into memorabilia, there is a shop that has authentic items
|
||
valued at hundreds of dollars, pluss they sell just about anything
|
||
related to Universal films you can think of... (the novel from "Back to
|
||
the Future" was there, after I had spent a long time trying to find it
|
||
locally)
|
||
|
||
They have street sets that are authentic down to small details that
|
||
you actually can walk through, and they have great tours and shows.
|
||
|
||
There were some other good things about it, too. If the things I've
|
||
mentioned don't interest you, then you probably won't find it worth the
|
||
admission, but I found it fascinating, and much better than Disney/MGM
|
||
Studios...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: oobleck
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 01:48:27
|
||
Message Number 7014
|
||
|
||
Fine, now I know how to get my hand out of the stuff, but how do I
|
||
make the stuff???
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: RUFUS
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: VH-1
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 02:07:30
|
||
Message Number 7015
|
||
|
||
I'd rather see 24 hrs. of Rush, myself. Or Pink Floyd.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: RUFUS
|
||
To: ...
|
||
Subject: ...
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 02:37:20
|
||
Message Number 7016
|
||
|
||
I stand up and look at the remains of my briefcase, which reminds
|
||
me of the time my toaster blew up. From the smoking remains dangling
|
||
from the chain around my wrist, I can hear the words "index phagocytic
|
||
low" being repeated over and over. I bash the briefcase on the counter
|
||
and it finally stops.
|
||
"Angel, you should really stop running around like that," I say
|
||
and add "Uh-oh" as Mulligan walks towards me. He asks me the dreaded
|
||
question. "Why's somebody trying to kill me? Uh....errr, job hazards,
|
||
I guess. I dunno anyone pissed enough to send a robot after me. Those
|
||
things /are/ expensive, and my death's not worth that much," I respond.
|
||
Mulligan, looking less than happy with my answer, was about to respond
|
||
when Turtle walked over, sat down, and promptly met the floor with a
|
||
loud crash.
|
||
Mulligan turns to address the reptile and I slip over to Angel. I
|
||
watch as the wound finishes repairing itself and comment, "Ya know,
|
||
that's a pretty neat trick. Did you happen to mention this on your
|
||
insurance application? You'd get 8% off. I'm lucky I didn't get
|
||
wounded since the briefcase /did/ blow up on me." I quickly reach
|
||
behind my back and feel my left shoulder, or what remains of it. Damn,
|
||
damn, damn. This is not good.
|
||
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: AJ-<TOPGUN>-
|
||
To: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
Subject: Rights?
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 08:08:54
|
||
Message Number 7017
|
||
|
||
Did you say "homosexuals" have rights or not?, I am a little confused on
|
||
your stance in this matter.
|
||
|
||
TopGun Strikes Again..... Sysop Of ALTnet BBS
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: AJ-<TOPGUN>-
|
||
To: BIG LEW
|
||
Subject: Applause
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 08:10:30
|
||
Message Number 7018
|
||
|
||
Yo, Lew, I don't know who you are, but I wanted to drop a line to
|
||
tell you, "It's about time", although I no longer lead the "life" of
|
||
what would be considered "a noble christian", I still believe in the one
|
||
Almighty. It's about time there was someone open and not ashamed to
|
||
be a "Christian" and speak about it...(I stand and congradulate you)
|
||
|
||
TopGun Strikes Again..... Sysop Of ALTnet BBS
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: AJ-<TOPGUN>-
|
||
To: BIG LEW
|
||
Subject: Homosexuals
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 08:13:29
|
||
Message Number 7019
|
||
|
||
I prefer to think of "Homosexuality" an alternative, rather than
|
||
use your termination of "not normal", who is dictating what is Normal
|
||
or not?....We could say Christianity is not normal in our society today.
|
||
.....but who am I to define "normal"
|
||
|
||
TopGun Strikes Again..... Sysop Of ALTnet BBS
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: ETC...
|
||
To: AJ-<TOPGUN>-
|
||
Subject: Applause
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 10:55:23
|
||
Message Number 7020
|
||
|
||
"It was the best of times. It was the worst of times..." That about sums
|
||
up todays world of belief and disbelief...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BIG LEW
|
||
To: AJ-<TOPGUN>-
|
||
Subject: applause accept
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 14:06:29
|
||
Message Number 7022
|
||
|
||
Congratulations accepted (modestly, of course) as it seems this
|
||
admission tends to make most people very uncomfortable. Not that I pre-
|
||
tend to be perfect: I have some very nasty vices and do not consider my-
|
||
self living the "perfect" (whatever that is) Christian life. But, I
|
||
know that HE accepts me and forgives my sinS and believing that is very
|
||
important and goes hand in hand in believing in salvation.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BIG LEW
|
||
To: AJ-<TOPGUN>-
|
||
Subject: Homosexuals
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 14:13:05
|
||
Message Number 7023
|
||
|
||
You are absolutely right (what is the definition of that?) The word
|
||
normal is not the word I wanted. It is abnormal only to me, meaning
|
||
that is not a part of what I believe in. And, what "should be and
|
||
shouldn't be" are only personal opinions, which I can accept the
|
||
opinions of others and I love to disagree, based again on what I think
|
||
is normal. Do you realize how far a conversation could go on just
|
||
the definition of normal? I do stand corrected and yet, still can't
|
||
think what word I really wanted to use. I did check and somebody else
|
||
told me that "gerbiling" is an actual practice. I guess I'm still
|
||
astounded by that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
|
||
/s
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: YNGLING
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: smoking
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 16:30:52
|
||
Message Number 7024
|
||
|
||
I have the same problem (re: using cigarettes as "props" or "cue cards")
|
||
when it comes to drawing. I used to smoke 3 packs a day, but if I was
|
||
entertaining the muse I'd go through a pack in about an hour. Ever
|
||
since I quit smoking my production rate whenever I find the time to sit
|
||
at the drawing board (which hasnt been for months..sigh..)has decreased
|
||
unbelievably.
|
||
The Yngling
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: YNGLING
|
||
To: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
Subject: Earth?
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 16:41:58
|
||
Message Number 7025
|
||
|
||
Dearest Lady -
|
||
>I could ask the same of the Yngling...
|
||
So ask! :)
|
||
The Yngling
|
||
Everything changes.
|
||
It always changes
|
||
and it doesnt mean that
|
||
What you had or have
|
||
is any less, just different.
|
||
We all grow up.
|
||
-Sherri McMurrin
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: YNGLING
|
||
To: SNAKEBYTE
|
||
Subject: Moral/Popular
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 16:55:15
|
||
Message Number 7026
|
||
|
||
The first time my wife heard about "gerbaling" she refused to believe
|
||
it. I had to find three separate independent sources in order to prove
|
||
it to her...at which point she became physically ill. California seems
|
||
to breed some really sick bastards doesnt it? The part about rolling
|
||
them in coke is a new twist I hadnt heard of yet...what next?
|
||
The Yngling
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: YNGLING
|
||
To: RAVEN
|
||
Subject: $$$
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 17:01:51
|
||
Message Number 7027
|
||
|
||
Why pay $35 to have someone else run a security check when you can do it
|
||
yourself? Its surprisingly easy once you get started, and it can be
|
||
very educational when you start to realize exactly what information is
|
||
available to /anyone/ who wants to bother to look for it.
|
||
The Yngling
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: YNGLING
|
||
To: BEATLE
|
||
Subject: MTV
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 17:15:35
|
||
Message Number 7028
|
||
|
||
Anyone who can sit through an entire episode of "Just Say Julie" without
|
||
being physically restrained and therefore unable to reach the remote, or
|
||
not under the influence of mind altering drugs (and I dont even want to
|
||
try and imagine watching that show stoned...) has been living in his or
|
||
her basement for too long and should seriiously consider seeking help
|
||
(either from a psychobabblist or from a Nielson family member).
|
||
The Yngling
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: RUFUS
|
||
Subject: VH-1
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 18:21:01
|
||
Message Number 7029
|
||
|
||
> Or Pink Floyd.
|
||
|
||
I dunno if you'll find that on VH-1. They do have a marathon of
|
||
someone every Sunday, though. They've done two stretches of Paul
|
||
McCartney, which is fine, but they used less than half of their library
|
||
of his videos. They've even done three days of Phil Collins and Genesis.
|
||
MTV had a Pink Floyd special on the other night after the Knebworth
|
||
concert (which was 11 hours of performers, including Paul McCartney,
|
||
Genesis, and Pink Floyd, cut down to a mere 4 hours 50 minutes)...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: SNAKEBYTE
|
||
Subject: Moral/Popular
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 21:03:59
|
||
Message Number 7030
|
||
|
||
Well, my friend Darryl works volunteer at the Presidio hospital and t
|
||
that stuff has been going on for years. Your friend embellishes the
|
||
story just a tad however. #12 they use heavy rubber balloons so that
|
||
the rodent can't scratch or bite. It is the motion that "gets them
|
||
off". The idea of rolling it in Coke is pure fantasy as Coke is
|
||
an anisthetic and would actually circumvent any pleasure by numbing
|
||
the anal passageway.
|
||
Now - maybe it isn't kosher to use a live animal as a sex toy, but is
|
||
the practice any different that a man/woman inserting items into the
|
||
vagina/anus as a sexual technique?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: SNAKEBYTE
|
||
Subject: Really placid
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 21:10:04
|
||
Message Number 7031
|
||
|
||
Believe it or not - you probably have been oogled by a male homosexual
|
||
and never even knew it. Further, if you are even suspected of being
|
||
hetero the chances are slim that he will attempt to contact, talk or
|
||
in any way deal with you on any other that a very shallow layer.
|
||
Most homosexuals realize that their position and lifestyle are open to
|
||
critique and minimum and violent opposition at worst from their fellow
|
||
human beings - they have learned to be careful when out of their
|
||
"element".
|
||
As far as other "deviant" sexual practices. Women are sexually mature
|
||
at various ages between 10 and 15 years of age. I personally know of
|
||
a lady that actively *encourages* her 14 year old daughter to have
|
||
boyfriends stay over and share her bed. She is a very "normal" 14
|
||
year old in every way and I can't say that early sexual experience has
|
||
hurt her one bit. Her Mom's rational: I would rather have her under
|
||
the roof of a safe house than groping around who the hell knows where
|
||
and I would rather have her know about and USE contraceptives than have
|
||
a surprise for me someday".
|
||
I also knew of a man and his wife that had the same attitude in Calif-
|
||
ornia. His daughter climbed into bed with my roomate and he almost
|
||
had a cow "You're only 13!" he hissed! She left and came back with
|
||
her sleepy dad who said " Be picky Mark - but please don't be a prude!".
|
||
He was concerned about his daughter feeling rejected and rather approved
|
||
of her propensity to take older lovers rather than "rash youths" as he
|
||
phrased it.
|
||
Now - what narrow little way are YOU going to prescribe as "normal"?
|
||
Should a lot of Japanese and Hindu writings and art be burned as
|
||
pornographic because it deals with sex in many forms between consenting
|
||
adults?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: SNAKEBYTE
|
||
Subject: Defective...
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 21:21:32
|
||
Message Number 7032
|
||
|
||
I'm curious - are you aware of what the subject matter of "Lola" by
|
||
the Kinks is all about?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: SNAKEBYTE
|
||
Subject: Defective...
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 21:23:02
|
||
Message Number 7033
|
||
|
||
How in hell did you manage to include bona-fide criminal acts with
|
||
percieved "crimes against nature". /Forcing/ the sexual act upon
|
||
anyone without their consent is an abomination and a crime. No one
|
||
is arguing that point. It a pretty piss-poor argument tactic worthy
|
||
of McCartheism to try and undermine a valid topic with slander and
|
||
misdirected allegations. Please sir, confine yourself to valid
|
||
argumental topics!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: SNAKEBYTE
|
||
Subject: Bias in bias
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 21:26:22
|
||
Message Number 7034
|
||
|
||
But that DOES leave open the possiblity of a feminine male and
|
||
a masculine female by your own admission. Besides the point that
|
||
homosexuality has not one iota to a quark in it's dealings with
|
||
the concept of masculine and feminine. They are irrelevant topics
|
||
in any discussion on homosexuality.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: MAX
|
||
Subject: Sorry
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 21:36:56
|
||
Message Number 7035
|
||
|
||
Sorry - that's MY quote!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Truth
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 21:39:15
|
||
Message Number 7036
|
||
|
||
I /love/ that quote " to preach to the convinced"!!! Sadly - a lot
|
||
of people really feel that way. What is truly meant is that questions
|
||
that you may have had on /many/ subjects thru the bible will be made
|
||
clearer to you after you are a Christian. I mean - what are the
|
||
references to "gods" in the psalms? The answer will make more sense to
|
||
a Christian - but also you have to study hard and understand a LOT to
|
||
get to the root of the matter. The Bible has many minor plots and
|
||
minor intrigues to be looked into - but many of them simply cannot
|
||
be understoof outside the framework of Christianity/Judaism.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Bible
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 21:44:04
|
||
Message Number 7037
|
||
|
||
Good quote - I notice that it seems the proof was not lacking?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: BEATLE
|
||
Subject: spam
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 21:48:09
|
||
Message Number 7038
|
||
|
||
The connection was "meat substitute" a rather old cliche' that I assumed
|
||
everyone would be familiar (if not tired) of. A moment of weakness...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: BEATLE
|
||
Subject: Really placid
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 21:49:32
|
||
Message Number 7039
|
||
|
||
Hey the drugs are the eggs fried in Butter.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: BOB ARDREN
|
||
Subject: Age
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 21:57:27
|
||
Message Number 7040
|
||
|
||
You are absolutely so far out in left field that I'm kinda glad you
|
||
aren't in a little closer. I have never ever bitched about young people
|
||
and have even come to their defense several times on this board.
|
||
Youth has absolutely no part in my judgements or comments unless
|
||
it is of an accepted descriptive nature that /may/ connote "youth"
|
||
such as immature, childish - which I will add here and now are applicabl
|
||
to ANYONE that deserves them regardless of chronological age.
|
||
Have I made my position clear? As a newcomer I would bid you welcome
|
||
but please get to "know" someone before pulling the anal-cranial
|
||
insertion maneuver.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: ANGEL
|
||
Subject: definition
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 22:02:14
|
||
Message Number 7041
|
||
|
||
Ok, let's not get nasty. YOU were referiing to cults in the context
|
||
of Christanity and I simply followed the lead. Manson lead a cult and
|
||
claimed he was teh Christ but I doubt that you would bend the
|
||
definition that you so playfully bat about to his little gang.
|
||
There are recognized denominations (recognized by who?- themselves
|
||
of course! Everyone loves a cicular definition and here it is!).
|
||
Cults as I tend to use the term are Christian sects that their beliefs
|
||
depend on some special revelation and/or dispensation. I ignore the
|
||
fringe groups like Baha'i and the followers of Yogi Rajaneeshjaphur
|
||
who advocated sexual freedom and promiscuity in his kingdom that they
|
||
were booted out of in Oregon. There are books published by recognized
|
||
Christian publishers, accepted by all faiths as guidelines to these
|
||
cults. I simply would rather refer you to the fact that this is how
|
||
thet are viewed by the religious organizations that be.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: ANGEL
|
||
Subject: small world
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 22:09:10
|
||
Message Number 7042
|
||
|
||
I program computers and build custom production and lab testing
|
||
equipment for them. Steve used to do this but he saw the promo
|
||
express comin thru and pounced as his progenitor fell on his face.
|
||
So far I assume they are satisfied with his work. We tend to
|
||
cover each others butts as our vested interests lie on the same plane.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: ANGEL
|
||
Subject: Truth
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 22:11:21
|
||
Message Number 7043
|
||
|
||
I was referring to the "fact" that as they were in the heart of the
|
||
maelstrom - they were in contact with a richness of lore and stories t\
|
||
that we can only allude to. Being that close to the source it would
|
||
seem to me (maybe mistakenly) that they would also be able to see
|
||
any lies and half-truths more clearly. Simply put - they had the
|
||
benefit of proximity to fuel their faith. Some actually knew the man
|
||
and went to their death singing his praises. Strange behavior for
|
||
a deluded man - is it not? I prefer to think that their faith was
|
||
reinforced by the simple mechanism they were close to its' source
|
||
and were better able to judge its' authenticity.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: gates of...
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 22:15:32
|
||
Message Number 7044
|
||
|
||
Borrowed - the RC church borrowed heavily from the pagan festivals
|
||
and decided that the best PR was to move the dates of Christian holidays
|
||
to coincide so as to minimize the conversion trauma.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Pop Quiz
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 22:18:12
|
||
Message Number 7045
|
||
|
||
What manifest bullshit (tm)! Better yet assume a black hole as one
|
||
focii and maybe you have something except the mechanism to put the ball
|
||
into the proper frame of reference...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: gates of...
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 22:19:48
|
||
Message Number 7046
|
||
|
||
Hehehe - ya like the way I slipped that in did ya! <snigger>
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Truth
|
||
Date & Time: 07/31/90 22:20:45
|
||
Message Number 7047
|
||
|
||
True - it was an emotionally laden appeal. Happy?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: BEATLE
|
||
Subject: oobleck
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 01:23:47
|
||
Message Number 7048
|
||
|
||
I have no idea how you actually make oobleck. The only person I know
|
||
of who /does/ know has left the state, so the mystery may be unsolved
|
||
forever.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: RUFUS
|
||
Subject: VH-1
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 01:24:36
|
||
Message Number 7049
|
||
|
||
I'd MUCH rather see Rush or Pink Floyd than Madonna, in the same way I'd
|
||
rather be given a Swedish massage by Nastassia Kinski than have my left
|
||
foot amputated by a young child with a chainsaw.
|
||
|
||
MTV had a Pink Floyd special on last Saturday after their re-broadcast
|
||
of Knebworth. Pink Floyd gets two hours, Madonna gets a day...go figure.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: ETC...
|
||
Subject: Applause
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 01:28:41
|
||
Message Number 7050
|
||
|
||
>That about sums up todays world of belief and disbelief.
|
||
|
||
Not only that, but it'd be a dandy way to start a book, too.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: YNGLING
|
||
Subject: $$$
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 01:31:21
|
||
Message Number 7051
|
||
|
||
>Why pay $35 to have somebody else run a security check on you...
|
||
|
||
I think he's referring to a credit check. TRW will supply anyone with
|
||
anyone else's credit history for thirty-five bucks. There's a reward
|
||
of $2,000 that's been offered by someone whose name I forget to the
|
||
first person who can show that his credit history is 100% error-free;
|
||
it's been offered for two years that I'm aware of and so far nobody's
|
||
collected.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: Moral/Popular
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 01:34:18
|
||
Message Number 7052
|
||
|
||
>...is the practice [of gerbiling] any different than a man/woman
|
||
>inserting items into the vagina/anus as a sexual technique?
|
||
|
||
Is this a trick question? I'd say the obvious answer is "yes."
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: Truth
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 01:37:38
|
||
Message Number 7053
|
||
|
||
>The Bible has many minor plots and minor intrigues to be looked into -
|
||
>but many of them cannot be understood outside the framework of
|
||
>Christianity/Judiasm.
|
||
|
||
Yes, that is absolutely true. I don't think that means that you have
|
||
to /be/ a Christian in order to understand them, though; were that the
|
||
case, the Bible'd be pretty useless as a method of gaining converts
|
||
(or "convincing people of the Truth," if you will). Seems to me that
|
||
the direct word of an active and living god would be more universal than
|
||
some Christains would think--the pronouncements from On High which are
|
||
supposed to be good news to all humankind are not going to be accessable
|
||
only to those who already buy into the faith to begin with, now, are
|
||
they? A poor revelation indeed /that/ would be! It sounds to me that
|
||
this is more of a case of "Once I believe with all my heart then the
|
||
mysteries of Christianity go away because I no longer have to think
|
||
about them rationally. Pity the poor people who haven't seen the Light
|
||
yet and still think rationally about this stuff."
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: Bible
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 01:42:28
|
||
Message Number 7054
|
||
|
||
The arguments are certainly there for convincing us that the triune god
|
||
is a singular entity, but they're kinda awkward and kludgy. Proof?
|
||
Depends on who you ask. A system of faith is not generally subject to
|
||
"proof" at all. It all depends on whether or not you're convinced by
|
||
the eloquence of the argument.
|
||
|
||
Speaking of which, another quote from the same man got me thinking
|
||
last night. Dr. Snyder also said "We follow the Hebrews, who struggle
|
||
and struggle and eventually come up with monotheism. Then they turn
|
||
around and give it to the Indo-Europeans and what happens? Bang! They
|
||
invent the Trinity." The concept of the Trinity seems to be a fairly
|
||
recent invention, one that post-dates the branching of Islam from
|
||
Judiasm (Muslims consider the Trinity to be the rankest form of
|
||
heresy), and it originated in a place whose dominant religion of the
|
||
time was Wicca, which has (are you ready for this?) a Trinity of its
|
||
own--the three faces of the Goddess (maiden, mother, and crone).
|
||
Hmmmmmmmmmm....it wouldn't be the first idea Christianity borrowed
|
||
from Wicca...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: Truth
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 01:49:42
|
||
Message Number 7055
|
||
|
||
Simple proximity to the source has never been shown to be of any value
|
||
in determining a religion's authenticity--lookit all the various
|
||
beliefs wandering around, from Dianetics to the followers of Sun
|
||
Moyen Moon (or whatever the hell his name is), and you'll see that.
|
||
A highly charismatic individual can get people to do, say, or believe
|
||
almost anything--and the fact that you're standing right next to him
|
||
doesn't mean you're more likely to decide he's a fake. The fact that
|
||
Christianity has managed to survive for as long as it has speaks more,
|
||
I think, for its history of...aah, how to say? brutal approach to
|
||
gaining acceptance than it does to any intrinsic value; hell, there's
|
||
a lotta faiths older than Christianity (Shinto, Wicca, Hinduism, etc,
|
||
etc) that are still doing quite nicely, thank you very much.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: RUFUS
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: VH-1
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 03:06:18
|
||
Message Number 7056
|
||
|
||
>...go figure.
|
||
|
||
Madonna gets 12 times the coverage of Floyd. How's that for figuring?
|
||
Madonna, the lady who should register her outfits as lethal weapons.
|
||
"My god, it was awful, she ran in here with her bronze breasts and
|
||
poked his eyes out."
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: MIKE GREENAWALD
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: aristotle
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 07:26:11
|
||
Message Number 7057
|
||
|
||
Continue to fear. The ansawer is Aristotle. Aquinus borrowed heavily fro
|
||
m him. He borrowed from Plato, the dude not the system.
|
||
The cave bit is an example of what a true believer has to accept.
|
||
I believe that the idea of an orange tree growing in the center
|
||
of the room is fascinating. It is there because I believe it is
|
||
there. You can have the same belief but the tree can be over by
|
||
the door. The two trees will never colide and I can walk through
|
||
your tree as you can walk through mine.
|
||
.s
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: MIKE GREENAWALD
|
||
To: MAX
|
||
Subject: relationships
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 07:37:14
|
||
Message Number 7058
|
||
|
||
Max if a person makes a really bad mistake. A mistake that is socially n
|
||
ot acceptable to my culture I get uptight and step back a few yards.
|
||
This dude made such a mistake. I was debating whether to run the
|
||
mile in 4 minutes or say I accept you for who you are.
|
||
I accepted him for who he is. This was quite a change from my normal
|
||
reaction. This Christianity is potent stuff. I said to D... I may
|
||
disagree with you life style but you basically are a person
|
||
I want to know.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: MIKE GREENAWALD
|
||
To: RAVEN
|
||
Subject: relationships
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 07:45:06
|
||
Message Number 7059
|
||
|
||
Ever try to change some of that data? I proved to a court magistrate
|
||
that a document was wrong. He had the power to seal the document
|
||
but refused. He told me to write a reply to it. I did. The reply was
|
||
then evaluated as an opinion by his office even though his counsel
|
||
helped me writ the document. The reply was removed after a year.
|
||
The original document remains unchallenged. The attorney who helped
|
||
write the answer is a hundred dollars wealthier and the judge
|
||
could care less about the whole affair. The law is a farse.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: MIKE GREENAWALD
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: Really annoying
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 07:53:19
|
||
Message Number 7060
|
||
|
||
Non-sequitor means that the idea being expressed does not follow
|
||
the thought that was just expressed by you. I read the word in an Isanov
|
||
book and it met that the speaker was not being logical. The speaker was
|
||
not stating black and white truths. His words had gray meanings
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: MAX
|
||
To: YNGLING
|
||
Subject: Moral/Popular
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 13:51:37
|
||
Message Number 7062
|
||
|
||
> California seems to breed some really sick bastards doesnt it?
|
||
|
||
Perhaps, but I suspect no worse so than a lot of big cities in this
|
||
country and across Europe. They just don't have the reputation that
|
||
CA does -- most of which is, one suspects, exaggeration. I know a lot
|
||
of people in California, and a lot of them are weird, but
|
||
proportionately no more so than people I know in other parts of the
|
||
country. A lot of European countries are a lot more accepting of sexual
|
||
behavior "out of the norm" and, it seems, a little less sensitive to the
|
||
rights of others (even, as in the sick example at hand, of animals) as
|
||
Americans are, perhaps especially Californians. If CA is more accepting
|
||
of behavior that the rest of the country finds "weird," it's probably
|
||
for the better, not the worse. And I suspect very few Californians woul
|
||
be tolerant of 'gerbiling' for the reasons a few people on this board
|
||
have raised -- it's effectively torturing animals to death.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: MAX
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: Moral/Popular
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 14:00:24
|
||
Message Number 7063
|
||
|
||
> Is the practice any different than inserting items into the vagina/
|
||
> anus as a sexual technique?
|
||
|
||
Yes. One's torturing an animal to death, the other one isn't. Seems
|
||
to be a pretty clear difference to me.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DONTHEN
|
||
To: ANGEL
|
||
Subject: rip
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 16:03:58
|
||
Message Number 7064
|
||
|
||
Wezip blinks, looking somewhat confused, then focuses on the
|
||
question he was just asked. "None. A friend of mine from Rionar is
|
||
coming up -- Jack usually stays with me when he's on business. And,"
|
||
the fox sighs deeply, "he talked me into letting some friend of his stay
|
||
with me until he finds a place to live here. Some starving artist
|
||
type, Mika, Mikey, something like that. It's times like these that make
|
||
me glad the real estate agent talked me into getting a house with a
|
||
guest room."
|
||
---
|
||
"An assassin guild is more expensive than you're evidently aware of,"
|
||
Mulligan says irritably to Turtle, the only visible sign that he was
|
||
paying attention to the reptile. He points at the readout on the
|
||
briefcase and addresses Rufus. "Would you mind enlightening us
|
||
uneducated types as to what a 'phygocatic index' is -- and, perhaps, how
|
||
it connects to whatever just attacked you?"
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: gates of...
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 17:29:20
|
||
Message Number 7066
|
||
|
||
T>Plato was a bore.
|
||
|
||
So was Polonius. So?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Defective...
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 17:30:39
|
||
Message Number 7067
|
||
|
||
S>Homosexuality is not a "preference", it's a sickness
|
||
|
||
T>A difficult premiss to support, I think,
|
||
|
||
Yes, that's the trouble. What you think...and half the other people.
|
||
You just don't understand that it is a sickness. A mental defect.
|
||
Men are not supposed to be attracted to other men, otherwise
|
||
we'd be HERMAPHRODITES! (SP?) Men just don't have the proper equipment
|
||
to have sexual relations with other men; it's like trying to stuff a
|
||
square peg into a round hole! It wasn't designed to work that way.
|
||
YOU (and half the other folks) just don't seem to understand that
|
||
FACT. Now, that dissapoints me, because you seem to have a very good
|
||
grip on other facts. I can dissmiss others as not having a good grip
|
||
on facts in general.
|
||
I don't know why I bother to explain it to you, you jsut can't seem
|
||
to get that FACT thru your head.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Moral/Popular
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 17:38:49
|
||
Message Number 7068
|
||
|
||
T>S>>Public opinion changes...reinforce...opinoin...
|
||
T>S>>
|
||
T>
|
||
T>I'm sorry, I simply cannot accept bigotry as "moral",
|
||
T>
|
||
That's the beauty of it. No one CARES what you think. And
|
||
so, society goes on it's bigoted way. And fully believes that
|
||
it is doing the "moral" thing. (How about when we weren't so
|
||
enlightened about black people? It was common for some folk to
|
||
have slaves...and it was considered perfectly ok for someone to
|
||
abuse them. Where was the morality then? Do you think anyone would
|
||
have cared what you thought was moral or immoral? Hell, no.)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Really placid
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 17:43:54
|
||
Message Number 7069
|
||
|
||
T>The only evidence you've provided to support your judgement of
|
||
T>homosexuality so far is "everyone else thinks that way"!
|
||
|
||
You are full of shit. Really. Unmitigated, manifest, BULLSHIT.
|
||
You haven't listened to (read) a word I've said (typed), have you?
|
||
And where do you get off calling it a judgement? All I have done
|
||
is told you fact. Things weren't meant to go like that. To do like
|
||
that is the sign of a sick mind. IT FOLLOWS! LOGICALLY.
|
||
Besides, on an issue like this, you can only take one of three positions
|
||
available. Pro, Anti, or Neutral.
|
||
|
||
"Look there ain't no in between. Either you suck dick, or you don't
|
||
suck dick." - Andrew "Dice" Clay
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: BEATLE
|
||
Subject: Defective...
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 17:51:44
|
||
Message Number 7070
|
||
|
||
What would you say about a person who constantly had his finger up his
|
||
ass? Or thier toes up thier nose? Would you say they were strange?
|
||
How about if they enjoyed having their ass? I mean, really enjoyed it,
|
||
got off on it and everything? Would you say that person is a normal
|
||
member of society? Now, how about if he did it in public, right next
|
||
to your booth in a restaraunt? Would you still thing, oh, a average
|
||
member of society?
|
||
I don't think so. I personally would reccomend a good psychiatrist.
|
||
I might get offended. (Hah! "might")
|
||
Why? You might say. That's just a preference that he has? No, I'd
|
||
reply as if to a child, he's sick. You shouldn't put things where they
|
||
weren't meant to go, no matter how much you enjoy it. You can get
|
||
diseases that way.
|
||
|
||
Didn't your mother teach you anything? Or didn't you listen?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: RAVEN
|
||
Subject: relationships
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 18:00:24
|
||
Message Number 7071
|
||
|
||
Do you know what connotation means?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: RAVEN
|
||
Subject: Bias in bias
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 18:03:35
|
||
Message Number 7072
|
||
|
||
R>...figuring yours at about a 6....
|
||
|
||
Fuck you.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: RAVEN
|
||
Subject: Defective...
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 18:08:55
|
||
Message Number 7073
|
||
|
||
S>Homosexuality is not a "preference", it's a sickness.
|
||
S>
|
||
R>As is monogamy, if you take rate of occurance as the indicator.
|
||
R>
|
||
I don't. Monogamy or polygamy is the the issue. What you said has
|
||
abosolutely no bearing on this issue. It is irrelevant.
|
||
[D
|
||
Man was not meant to have sexual relations with man. Period.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: RAVEN
|
||
Subject: I did not say
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 18:13:00
|
||
Message Number 7074
|
||
|
||
R>But you did say that morality was determined by popular opinion.
|
||
R>Please explain the reconcilliation of these two apparently
|
||
R>contradictory statements.
|
||
|
||
I said that popular opinion determined society's morality. There is
|
||
no contradiction. There is no need for reconcilliation. Please pay
|
||
attention.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: V
|
||
Subject: Bias in bias
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 18:17:39
|
||
Message Number 7075
|
||
|
||
V>...show me a heterosexual male who isn't slightly effeminate.
|
||
|
||
No problem.
|
||
|
||
V>...show me a heterosexual male who isn't slightly effeminate.
|
||
|
||
Yes, but I wasn't saying "slightly"...I was talking abou all-out
|
||
swishing! And the exact opposites for thier counterparts!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: MAX
|
||
Subject: Defective...
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 18:20:55
|
||
Message Number 7076
|
||
|
||
Homosexuals can be classified as sick by comparison with any other
|
||
act which is abnormal. (See my note to Beatle.)
|
||
On that precept, let me ask you a question...would you accept any
|
||
person's word who has been declared insane? To what degree is not
|
||
relevant, just answer the question.
|
||
|
||
And something else for you to consider...just because they haven't
|
||
said that homo's aren't sick doesn't mean that they actually AREN'T.
|
||
|
||
Besides, what doctor is going put down a prospective patient? I know
|
||
that if my reputation (and my finances) depended on whether or not I
|
||
claimed homos were actually sick, (and I knew that doing so would
|
||
reflect adversely) I would never admit it!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: Guitars
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 18:33:41
|
||
Message Number 7077
|
||
|
||
wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwWWWWWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEWwwwwwwwww
|
||
|
||
Right over my head..."like a Strat but only 2 pickups..."
|
||
Sounds great! "Scarborough Fair" "Bad Moon Risin" "Hotel California"
|
||
"Peace Train"...
|
||
The Doghouse? Isn't that a restaraunt?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: Really annoying
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 18:36:34
|
||
Message Number 7078
|
||
|
||
Ok. Then, since I forgot, I will on the same terms, conceede the point.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: JOB
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 18:38:15
|
||
Message Number 7079
|
||
|
||
Sounds cool. Do you ever use Orcad or like that?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: SNAKEBYTE
|
||
Subject: Moral/Popular
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 18:58:39
|
||
Message Number 7080
|
||
|
||
S>SICK_SICK_SICK_SICK_SICK...
|
||
|
||
Ah, the calvary has arrived. Where the hellya been? These guys
|
||
are "preference"ing me to death!
|
||
|
||
Of course, you realize that they are going to dismiss your point
|
||
with a wave and say,
|
||
"Well, that's sick because they used an animal...it's still a
|
||
preference..."
|
||
|
||
I swear to GOD...sometimes they make me sick.
|
||
|
||
"Methinks the woman doth protest too much...." (or somthing like
|
||
that) -- Shakespeare
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: SNAKEBYTE
|
||
Subject: AJ <TheGUN)
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 19:04:02
|
||
Message Number 7081
|
||
|
||
I think you oughta be made aware that AJ is a homosexual. I've met
|
||
him. In person.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
To: AJ-<TOPGUN>-
|
||
Subject: Normal
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 19:08:36
|
||
Message Number 7082
|
||
|
||
Normal. As in the opposite of abnormal. The label is perfect. If
|
||
we use terms like "socially acceptable" or "homophobially recognized"
|
||
then we don't get the meaning across because people have to cut through
|
||
the crap to get at the real meaning...it's simpler to say "normal" and
|
||
express what is meant.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Truth
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 21:55:06
|
||
Message Number 7083
|
||
|
||
Seems to me thatthe direct word of an active and living god would be
|
||
more universal than some Christains would think--
|
||
|
||
C'mon! Is that to say that the person who reads a book by - say -
|
||
John le Carre' and only sees the obvious spy plot without the subtle
|
||
intrigue is as good or an effective reader as say a person that has
|
||
actual experience. I would say that experience and understanding of
|
||
the subject matter make the nuances a little more easy to grasp and even
|
||
obvious where otherwise they would be a simple footnote. The Bible as
|
||
literature is very complex and carries many messages at various levels.
|
||
To understand some of the more profound messages takes study and a
|
||
certain amount of acceptyance of the subject matter. A little prayer
|
||
never hurt for elucidation either..
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Bible
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 22:00:46
|
||
Message Number 7084
|
||
|
||
T>depends on whether or not you're convinced bythe eloquence ...
|
||
Not necessarily true - this would involve a semantic based argument.
|
||
What it does depend on is acceptance of the Bible as God's word.
|
||
Without this you don't even have the basis of an argument.
|
||
T>concept of the Trinity seems to be a fairly recent invention,
|
||
If you look at the surface and consider only the New Test. In the old
|
||
testamnet there are many visits by what are initially specified as "
|
||
"angels" that in fact many scholars believe to be visits from Christ
|
||
himself - the note here is that even back then they refer to this entity
|
||
as Lord. The best example of this is where the three visitors come by
|
||
and visit Abraham on the way to destroy Sodom & Gomorrah. Since we have
|
||
testimony that the face of God the Father may not be looked upon, we
|
||
must assume that this particular Lord that Abraham is talking to must be
|
||
a part of the Godhead.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Truth
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 22:06:26
|
||
Message Number 7085
|
||
|
||
I would like to point out that these charismatic individuals have never
|
||
been put to quite the test as have early Christians. The worst they get
|
||
is the occasional beatings from rednecks, irate travellers in airports
|
||
and the occasional security guard or so. Followers of some of the low
|
||
level cults (like the gurus) are even more casual about dropping their
|
||
mentors with little thought. Groups like the moonies actually are a
|
||
slightly different case because they practise mind altering techniques
|
||
akin to brainwashing techniques developed many years ago. There is a
|
||
whole group of people dedicated to kidnapping moonies and reprogramming
|
||
them to return to their families.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: MIKE GREENAWALD
|
||
Subject: Reality
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 22:10:49
|
||
Message Number 7086
|
||
|
||
I have one in my backyard that I don't give a damn how many times you
|
||
think you can go through it you will break your nose.
|
||
What was the name of that British priest or whatever - the one that
|
||
wrote the cute little poem about perception in the garden and how
|
||
the entire framework of what we know is held together by the infinite
|
||
perception of the Almighty Himself? He was a contemporary with Hobbs
|
||
(who was the spiritual father of the constitution).
|
||
Philosophy - weird stuff but a good exercise for the mind. I find
|
||
people like Sartre' to be far more readable (if no more believable)
|
||
than off the wall philosophies on the tangible world around us.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: MIKE GREENAWALD
|
||
Subject: Really annoying
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 22:16:05
|
||
Message Number 7087
|
||
|
||
Non-sequitor means ----speaker was not being logical...
|
||
It means that the speaker or debater was not presenting a line of
|
||
thought consistant with the current line of reasoning. Truth has
|
||
very little to do with a debate unless it is challenged on those
|
||
grounds.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: MAX
|
||
Subject: Moral/Popular
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 22:18:54
|
||
Message Number 7088
|
||
|
||
You and Turtle both have the same reply - if it wasn't such a pain I'd
|
||
reread the post - I thought that I had made it clear that the suffering
|
||
of the animal was totally unacceptable - what I was attempting to
|
||
ascertain was the viewpoint of - aside frome those concerns - was the
|
||
speaker concerned with the practise of inserting objects into bodily
|
||
orifices morally objectionable as "sick". People can have more than one
|
||
level of objection on a subject and I was simply trying to isolate
|
||
one, ie - what is *really* bothering you? The plight of the animal
|
||
or the fact that inserting objects is "kinky".
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Defective...
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 22:24:31
|
||
Message Number 7089
|
||
|
||
Sorry - the fact that you so blithly pander as truth is a statement
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without truth or logic within itself. Any human being has the
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||
capability to evaluate a situation and come to a decision and
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||
implement a plan of action. The hom,osexual realizes his/her
|
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predisposition and if they are mentally healthy - accept their
|
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preference as reality and act on that premise by taking lovers of like
|
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tendancy. This is a decision made with rational thought and hardly
|
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a disease that can be treated with chicken soup.
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From: JONBOY
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To: THE SPECIALIST
|
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Subject: Really placid
|
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Date & Time: 08/01/90 22:38:48
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Message Number 7090
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||
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S>Look there ain't no in between. Either you suck dick, or you don't
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S>suck dick." - Andrew "Dice" Clay
|
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|
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That particular quote was in reference to either women or male gays.
|
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It hardly affects or addresses the question of lesbianism. It's effect
|
||
is simply to shock us poor liberals - but - Ho-hum - we are adults
|
||
and hopefully are cogizant of the gratification associated with
|
||
fellatio and cunnilingus.
|
||
Sorry bud, Turtle's correct in that you have provided no support for
|
||
your assertion that "everyone else thinks that way". Tell ya what..
|
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go on several boards in /any/ area that you choose and see if you can
|
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get enough replies to convince us that moral cretinism is alive and
|
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well in redneck amerika. I wish your best friend would tell you he's
|
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gay so that you would be forced to pull your head out of your ass long
|
||
enough to think with your brain. The problem that you exhibit is a
|
||
fascination with violation of the particular orifice known as the
|
||
"poop chute". Learn that it is of no consequence to you what another
|
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person's sexual orientation is... Live and Let live as the old cliche
|
||
goes...
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|
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|
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From: JONBOY
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Bias in bias
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 22:44:31
|
||
Message Number 7091
|
||
|
||
Y'know - as an interesting sidelight do you know that according to
|
||
a study performed in the mid-sixties - about 70% of all american
|
||
males have a homosexual encounter of /some/ kind by the time they are
|
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18 years old? Wasn't yours good?
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|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Guitars
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 22:47:33
|
||
Message Number 7092
|
||
|
||
Yeah just off 41 the light before you hit Cortez.
|
||
Ain't this great? We can get all pissed off at each other over a
|
||
gay issue or God and still take a break to talk guitars. I have /my/
|
||
priorities straight! Yeah - a Strat has 3 staggered pickups and a
|
||
5 position switch - mine has 2 pickups and a 3 position switch.
|
||
Basically the same sound. I use it and the Gibson for blues/boogie
|
||
and some Rock. The Ibanez is all rock-n-roll. My 12 string is
|
||
for Eagles and Dan Fogelberg etc (America)
|
||
Maybe we can have some Tacos someday, declare a moratorium on the gay
|
||
issue and flirt with Dianne the bartender...
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|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: JOB
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 22:52:09
|
||
Message Number 7093
|
||
|
||
I use both OrCAD STD /// and the printed circuit package PCB //.
|
||
Usually I use off the shelf stuff because it just makes no sense
|
||
to make a custom board that someone else has for a one-off piece
|
||
of equipment.
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||
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|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: RUFUS
|
||
Subject: VH-1
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 23:29:59
|
||
Message Number 7094
|
||
|
||
> Madonna gets 12 times the coverage of Floyd.
|
||
|
||
Yeah, annoying isn't it. At least they haven't sunk to the lowest form
|
||
of entertainment possible - 24
|
||
hours of New Kids On the Block. At least Madonna's music has a bit going
|
||
for it... some of the songs are interesting pop (you all know I don't
|
||
hate pop as much as you do), and
|
||
some just suck heavy moose dung.
|
||
Unfortunately, Madonna SELLS more than Pink Floyd... the market is
|
||
teenagers, and Madonna appeals more than Pink Floyd... the same thing
|
||
can happen to anybody. MTV caters to the masses, and occasionally to
|
||
smaller groups...
|
||
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|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Defective...
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 23:39:13
|
||
Message Number 7095
|
||
|
||
> ...can't seem to get that FACT thru your head.
|
||
|
||
I got the fact through my head, and I still stand on Turtle's side.
|
||
The whole subject is touchy. I think you've made a great point, but the
|
||
fact that we are not hermaphrodites doesn't mean homosexuality is a
|
||
sickness. I find the point very convincing... but it leaves things open.
|
||
By the logic I think you are following, sex is strictly for reproduction
|
||
of the species. Following that idea, any sexthat does not produce
|
||
offspring can be equated with homosexuality. This still leaves the idea
|
||
of the "sickness" unproved.
|
||
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|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Really placid
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 23:45:44
|
||
Message Number 7096
|
||
|
||
> IT FOLLOWS! LOGICALLY.
|
||
|
||
No, the fact that something is done different than intended doesn't
|
||
indicate a sickness.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
||
Subject: Defective...
|
||
Date & Time: 08/01/90 23:58:32
|
||
Message Number 7097
|
||
|
||
Just because someone exhibits an odd behavior doesn't mean they're
|
||
sick. If someone sticks their finger up their nose in public constantly,
|
||
I believe that's the fault of the parents for not making sure the child
|
||
didn't do that. It /could/ be a symptom of a sickness, but not always.
|
||
|
||
> Didn't your mother teach you anything?
|
||
|
||
Yes, she taught me the way to think the way I do, which has gotten me
|
||
pretty far. I also have learned how to take care of myself and be mature
|
||
...
|
||
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: ANGEL
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: definition
|
||
Date & Time: 08/02/90 00:04:49
|
||
Message Number 7098
|
||
|
||
>Viola! A brand-new religion that absolutely cannot be disproven by
|
||
>any feat of logic whatever.
|
||
|
||
And L. Ron Hubbard created the Word and saw that it was good. And on
|
||
the seventh day he rested in order to tabulate the proceeds...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: ANGEL
|
||
To: BEATLE
|
||
Subject: things...
|
||
Date & Time: 08/02/90 00:11:11
|
||
Message Number 7099
|
||
|
||
Thanks for the descriptive journey through Universal. You didn't notice
|
||
if they had piano music in the memorabilia store, did you? Anyway,
|
||
sounds like a place I'd enjoy, darn it! Why don't I like cheap places?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: ANGEL
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: definition
|
||
Date & Time: 08/02/90 00:43:11
|
||
Message Number 7100
|
||
|
||
> Okay, let's not get nasty.
|
||
I wasn't getting nasty. I said if I was wrong, correct me...and made
|
||
sure to end the post with a joke. How far do I have to go to demon-
|
||
strate to yourself (and others) that I am not angry when I disagree.
|
||
As far as considering a cult any group that depends on some
|
||
"special revelation and dispensation"... that applies to all religions.
|
||
Certainly being born-again is "special revelation". And Christ's death
|
||
on the cross is the ultimate dispensation. You keep using vague terms
|
||
to make your points, such as "the fact that this is how they are viewed
|
||
by the religious organizations that be." Well, my religious organiza-
|
||
tion exists, and it certainly doesn't view what you call "cults" in that
|
||
way. Specifically, what groups are you referring to? You make claims
|
||
that mainstream Christianity thinks in these ways, however, I return
|
||
examples of Christian groups that don't feel that way and you reject
|
||
them. I can have no objection with you saying "this is how I feel" or
|
||
"this is the view of my church", it's when you claim that your view is
|
||
held by all Christians, I can't let it stand unchallenged; since I am
|
||
a Christian, and I (as well as my church) disagree
|
||
Please allow me the freedom to question your statements without
|
||
you claiming I am somehow lacking in manners.
|
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