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From: SNAKEBYTE
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To: RAVEN
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Subject: rOAD rALLY.....
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Date & Time: 05/09/90 00:56:23
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Message Number 4352
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Well, the turn-out was rather sad, but at least it gave me some
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insight into how to do the next one.....watch for it!!!!
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From: SNAKEBYTE
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To: SAURON
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Subject: thermodynamics
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Date & Time: 05/09/90 00:59:15
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Message Number 4353
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Well I'll be........PUT A TIGER IN MY TANK!!!!
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From: SNAKEBYTE
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To: BLACK MAGIC
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Subject: ummmmmm
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Date & Time: 05/09/90 01:01:15
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Message Number 4354
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<: thanx
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From: CORWYN OF AMBER
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To: TURTLE
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Subject: Real dips
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Date & Time: 05/09/90 01:43:32
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Message Number 4355
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Yep, sounds very coherent to me. If you think the world is but a trial
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through which you must pass to reach heaven, life will seem a trial.
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I'd rather enjoy what's here, and deal with what I can't possibly know
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about when it arrives.
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- Corwyn
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From: CORWYN OF AMBER
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To: TURTLE
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Subject: 286: Stone Age
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Date & Time: 05/09/90 01:45:25
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Message Number 4356
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Okay, there is real (good) BBS software which will run on your machine,
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but it's not readily available.. mine is. Heck, there are PD MsDos
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BBS's with more features than PBBS, that's one of the main advantages of
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running an MS-DOS compatible, you have a readily available LARGE PD and
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Shareware base. Telix is a great Comm program, and readily available..
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do you have /anything/ which will do everything telix does.. I doubt it,
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but of course you like cryptic commands.. (Yuck.. I just read the line
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above.. I don't like it.. but your editor bites.. so you'll have to read
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it. I wish people wouldn't have such good boards w/ such crappy software
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aaarrgghhh!!)
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- Corwyn
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(From the random depths of a sick mind)
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From: CORWYN OF AMBER
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To: DONTHEN
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Subject: This area
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Date & Time: 05/09/90 01:53:13
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Message Number 4357
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Yea, I heard about it at OS/2-fest.. the door prize was 3 gigabytes of
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ram.. so you could actually run the system comfortably, and even run
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an APPLICATION or two.. talk about lucky, having enough memory to run a
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program under OS/2!!
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- Corwyn
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From: CORWYN OF AMBER
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To: SNAKEBYTE
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Subject: -=*><*=-
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Date & Time: 05/09/90 01:55:28
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Message Number 4358
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Hmm.. how did you get to be a snake? I'm having weird visions of a
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terror stricken man looking across the bed, and wishing he could slither
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away.. hmm At least I haven't had any mornings like that recently.
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- Corwyn
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From: CHIP P. UNICORN
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To: ALL
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Subject: Storyboard!
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Date & Time: 05/09/90 05:52:00
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Message Number 4359
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Missing the Wyvern's Den: Ranean Tales? Need another good-quality
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storyboard? Try calling The Shadow (359-1717), and check out "The
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Castle," a quasi-medieval storyboard with a few references to Amber
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completely having been warped by Spellwind a few months back!
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Chip P. Unicorn
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From: CHIP P. UNICORN
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To: ACAPULCO
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Subject: What I'm doing.
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Date & Time: 05/09/90 05:55:37
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Message Number 4360
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Thank you, Acapulco... By the way, it takes EXACTLY the same amount
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of faith to say that there is no God as it does to say that there is
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one.
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Chip P. Unicorn
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From: CHIP P. UNICORN
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To: KILLASHANDRA REE
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Subject: Real dips
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Date & Time: 05/09/90 05:57:18
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Message Number 4361
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Dear Killashandra,
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Welcome to aLTER rEALITY.... At least, I don't think I've seen
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your name before.
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Is Christianity "just another pair of spectacles"? It does its
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best to make exclusionist claims ("Thou shalt have no other gods
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before me", "You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of
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demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord's table and the
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table of demons." I Cor 10:21) -- at least in regard to these claims,
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Christianity must be 100% correct, or 100% wrong.
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(At least Christianity isn't the only religion that does this.)
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Examine its other claims: that its workers performed miracles, and
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that its Founder rose from the dead. Again, this is fairly common among
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religions.
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What's different about Christianity is that the claims were made of
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a person who allegedly lived at the same time as the people who wrote
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the book: in at least the case of one of the Gospels, it was claimed
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that only about twenty years ago did Jesus rise from the dead. There
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were people still around who had known Jesus well, and could have
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verified it. Why might have Mark written such a thing? Do you feel
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it was pure fiction?
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From: CHIP P. UNICORN
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To: KILLASHANDRA REE
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Subject: What I'm doing.
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Date & Time: 05/09/90 06:12:05
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Message Number 4362
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Do game-theoretic terms provide a sufficient reason for believing
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in God? Well, to be a complete pragmatist, yes.
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Think about the eternal results of believing: either nothingness
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or salvation. Think about the eternal results of not believing:
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either nothingness or damnation. Nothing personal, but salvation
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(even boring salvation!) seems a lot better to me than damnation.
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(Even though the interesting people might be there.)
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Chip P. Unicorn
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From: CHIP P. UNICORN
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To: TURTLE
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Subject: Xnty...
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Date & Time: 05/09/90 06:16:57
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Message Number 4363
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Turtle,
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Found your own religion. Not only will it make you extremely rich,
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you might create universal peace and brotherhood. Then again, you
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might plunge the world into the Second Dark Ages.
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Chip P. Unicorn
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From: CHIP P. UNICORN
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To: YNGLING
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Subject: please...
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Date & Time: 05/09/90 06:19:02
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Message Number 4364
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Dear the Yngling,
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This past summer, I worked for Atencion San Miguel, a mostly-
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English language newspaper in San Miguel de Allende, Mexico. One of
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my co-workers told me about a Bible study going on Tuesday nights at
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her house, lead by "Pastor Bill," a person who I had heard about before.
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Intrigued, I went.
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Quite unlike the New College Bible studies I was used to, Pastor
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Bill used his studies as a kind of a pulpit: to preach his version of
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the Word. But he was an extremely charismatic man, and was quickly
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building a following -- and I agreed with what he said, mostly. That
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week, he mentioned that he had managed to rent a large room at a local
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hotel (the meeting room) for every Sunday morning for the next few
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months, and that the Sunday church would be meeting there from now
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on. I went ahead and went.
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At first, Pastor Bill seemed to be an excellent preacher. He knew
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the Bible well, and he could explain his ideas extremely clearly.
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I started inviting people to come, myself, and talked with many of
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his younger followers.
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About the third week I was there, he started making a few assumptions
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within his speeches that I didn't like. (He accidentally let drop
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that he was an Episcopal -- but no longer.) About the second time
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this happened, after Church when most people had left, I asked him
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how he interpreted certain Bible verses that seemed to go opposite to
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what he was saying. (For those who are interested, he was preaching
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that Christians do not have a sure salvation; that any sin can
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separate you from God, and once you are separated, you cannot return
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to God's fold.) What got to me was that no one else seemed to notice
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anything was wrong.
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After that, every week after Church, I asked him how he explained
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certain Bible verses which contradicted his sermon. About the fifth
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week, someone had found out about our talks, and a few started sticking
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around for them. By my seventh week, about half the church did.
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<Continued next message.>
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From: CHIP P. UNICORN
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To: YNGLING
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Subject: please...
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Date & Time: 05/09/90 06:33:13
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Message Number 4365
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<continuing with the story>
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By then, people started switching their alliegences away from
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Bill. The problem was, most of them didn't know enough of God's Word
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to successfully challenge him... and at least two asked me to present
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their problems to Bill. (I refused.) Also, Bill had been a popular
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person to explain personal problems to: by the end of the summer,
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a third of them were coming to me. Pastor Bill was not pleased.
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Ever since Pastor Bill, I've been extremely suspicious of larger
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churches, especially those based on the personality of the pastor.
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(The charismatic churches...) Too many people knew how to be sheep --
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and only how to be sheep. When their first shepherd didn't seem to
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be all that great, they followed a second shepherd.
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There was never a true "schism" -- but Pastor Bill lost a lot of
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respect (not to mention some of his congregation.) Although I haven't
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talked with any of the members since, I hope I've taught them to
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think for themselves -- espectially in religion.
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Chip P. Unicorn
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From: CHIP P. UNICORN
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To: CORWYN OF AMBER
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Subject: Pizza=God
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Date & Time: 05/09/90 06:45:08
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Message Number 4366
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Dear Corwyn,
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Go back to your coffin. There's still a few hours of daylight.
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Chip P. Unicorn
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From: CHIP P. UNICORN
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To: BLACK MAGIC
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Subject: God...
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Date & Time: 05/09/90 06:51:02
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Message Number 4367
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Dear Black Magic (et al.)
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Everyone yells about "rights," "rights," "rights." ("It's a woman's
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right to have an abortion."..."We have the right not to allow our
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children to see pornographic magazines."..."Everyone has the right to
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decent housing, food, education, and leisure.")
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Unfortunately, nature has given us NONE of those rights. Not even
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the right to life, liberty, or the happiness of pursuit. The only
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"rights" that any of us have are doled out by the government, and can
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change with the times.
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Is it a "right" for women to have an abortion? Under the current
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laws, yes. This might change, and by no means is it a "natural" right.
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<Okay... I'll get off my soapbox now.>
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From: CHIP P. UNICORN
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To: SNAKEBYTE
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Subject: -=*><*=-
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Date & Time: 05/09/90 06:57:54
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Message Number 4369
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Yes, but who cares about pornographic pictures of snakes?
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Chip P. Unicorn
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From: DELPHI
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To: CHIP P. UNICORN
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Subject: godtalk
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Date & Time: 05/09/90 09:31:40
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Message Number 4371
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Hope you're still listening. Been too busy to get to the modem but have
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been thinking ...
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Okay, this time I wrote down some of the comments so I could remember
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what to answer. Is there a way to print this stuff out or put it on disk
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to think about later?
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I notice you call Adonai "he". At first I balked at this, but I do belie
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believe that this may be appropriate. I would agree with the concept of
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a god separate from life/time/space as patriarchal male concept. On the
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other hand, the concept of the whole of creation as not so much a diety
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but as a fully interacting, active Be-ing does correspond more to the
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this-dimensional image of the goddess (as opposed to a goddess). Womyn
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as we know us in humanity create within and about us at the same time.
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Her name is (among others) Gaia.
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Actually, this opens the relevance of other dimensions discussion. I
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believe it is because we see ourselves as limited only to this two or
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three dimensional physical dimension that we find ourselves contained in
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such absurdities as dualities, dichotimies, polarities. It is like the
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definition of good and evil -- these are two patriarchal constructs that
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we see only from our perspective. If what we think of as good is see fro
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from another perspective, then it is no longer good. It may not be evil
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either. It may be neutral. It may be dangerous, exciting, daring, fun,
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boring. There are dozens of other sprialing paths that lead off the
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linear division of good an evil. But as long as we limit ourselves to
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the physical dimesion and accept only what these simple six senses tell
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us, then we are forcing ourselves into a viewpoint that maintains and
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reinforces these dualities in life. When we begin to accept, for example
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the dream dimension as reality, we expand our consciousness. What if the
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dream dimension, which most of us visit regularly, is true reality and
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daily life is artificial? What if there is more?
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I don't know how to end this, so I'll try stopping her and starting a ne
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message.
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From: DELPHI
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To: CHIP P. UNICORN
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Subject: godtalk
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Date & Time: 05/09/90 09:46:28
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Message Number 4372
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Well, hope this worked.
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As for the spark of the universe giving so much more to certain entities
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I again have to say that it is only your perspective that sees humanity,
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and banana plants as having more spark than rocks or earth. I am coming
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to believe the earth, for example, is a living, breathing entity as much
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as we are. She constantly gives birth, evolves, revolves and is being
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attacked by her offspring in human form, mostly in patriarchal
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limitation. Ask any gemstone advocate about the energy and power of
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certain rocks and stones. I have no personal experience with moondust,
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but I feel certain those scientists in labs are still trying to prove
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their own alleged objectivity and have no idea of the potential that
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may lie in real moondust. Maybe it is even part of the mother earth
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that survived when someshow separated and spun into the universe. Of
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course, I, too, am cursed with having grown up in patriarchal
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perspective so I see a separate moon where there may be no division at
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all. I believe I am only now opening my mind/senses to perceive without
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some of these limitations.
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Mary Daly is a feminist philosopher at Boston College. You may like her
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first book, The Church and the Second Sex, however, this is no longer tr
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true to her theory. The second one, Beyond God the Father Toward a
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Philosophy of Women's Liberation, steps off the cliff of patriarchy
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into New Feminist Time/Space. Several others follow including Wickedary,
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Gyn/Ecology: The Metaethics of Radical Feminism and Pure Lust: Elemental
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Feminist Philosophy. I have yet to read them all, since each one takes
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a lot of time and study to grasp the concepts. Most of them are
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published through Beacon Press, a Unitarian Universalist related
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publishing company.
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One of her most exciting concepts to me (at the moment) is the idea of
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taking whatever the patriarchy tells you is reality, seeing it, then
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turning it upside down and that is what reality really is.
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Guess that's all for now. Really.
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From: DONTHEN
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To: CORWYN OF AMBER
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Subject: 286: Stone Age
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Date & Time: 05/09/90 10:55:39
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Message Number 4373
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> There are PD MS-DOS BBS's with more features than PBBS...
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But most of them are dippy. I'm not really sure why, mind you, but a
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lot of them are like WWIV--a lot of features, but even more "hardwired"
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about things than PBBS is, i.e., even the menu text files are stored
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internally.
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Turtle & I have two other Trash-80 BBS's with more features than
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PBBS -- TCL2 and ERACS. TCL2 is completely hardwired and is, well,
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dippy (even more so than the MS-DOS ones I was talking about). ERACS
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is extremely powerful and very flexible, but is so much of a pain in the
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ass I wouldn't go near it unless paid considerable sums of money. It
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literally rewrites the DOS so when you log on to it, you're really
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logging on to the oomputer the same way you'd log onto a mainframe. It
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adds things like a programmable menu system, carrier check, and wheel
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protection to TRSDOS; effectively, every command on an ERACS menu would
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be a "door" to other BBS programs, including the subsystems for messages
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and file transfers. It's a really clever setup, but once you install
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it IT WON'T GO AWAY because it's made itself an integral part of your
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operating system. Also, the message system, while it allows for 99
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different conferences, has an EVEN STUPIDER EDITOR THAN PBBS DOES,
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something you wouldn't think was humanly possible until you used it. It
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is literally so difficult to use than an average BBS-goer could not make
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it save a message.
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From: DONTHEN
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To: CHIP P. UNICORN
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Subject: Storyboard!
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Date & Time: 05/09/90 11:03:58
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Message Number 4374
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Speaking of RANEAN TALES, that entire sub-base is likely to move over
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here once I can get my system set up somewhere and get the last 40 or
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so messages copied off it and post a new intro/summary here....
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From: TURTLE
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To: DONTHEN
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Subject: This area
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Date & Time: 05/09/90 14:00:56
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Message Number 4375
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>How silly of me. Z-System is an add-on for OS/2. I think it requires
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>Presentation Manager, too, doesn't it?
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I have never felt a compelling need to run a BBS with an official
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policy on obscenity in the message bases...
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...until now.
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From: TURTLE
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To: CORWYN OF AMBER
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Subject: New Subject
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Date & Time: 05/09/90 14:05:18
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Message Number 4376
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>I wish people wouldn't have such good boards w/ such crappy software...
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Watch it, Bub, or I'll start running ERACS and you'll have the pleasure
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of dealing with an entirely command-driven system, no menus in sight...
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...and I CAN CHOOSE THE COMMANDS...hehehehehehehe...............
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--An 8-bit mutant hacker Turtle
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From: TURTLE
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To: CHIP P. UNICORN
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Subject: real Christians
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Date & Time: 05/09/90 14:09:04
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Message Number 4377
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>...at least in regard to these claims, Christianity must be 100%
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>correct or 100% wrong.
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That doesn't necessarily follow. It is possible that Christianity has
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the correct idea but a distorted view of god, so that the god which is
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worshipped by Christians is the same as that worshipped by practioners
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of another religion, and the distortion prevents Christians from
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recognizing that fact. Also, the Bible does not make as strong a
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claim to exclucivity as people would like to have it make--Jesus said
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"no man comes to the Father except by me," but he didn't say "...and
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there's only one way to do that." A religion which meets that
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qualification in a manner which is not recognizably Christian may still
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have validity from god's point of view--unlike many Christians, /I/ for
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one would not assume god's ability to pass judgement on man. And didn't
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Jesus himself speak of preaching to "different flocks"...??
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From: KEN OBER
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To: DONTHEN
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Subject: nope...
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Date & Time: 05/09/90 14:22:38
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Message Number 4379
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It was normal ASCII! ///// and \\\\\ were used, tho....
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From: KEN OBER
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To: KEN OBER
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Subject: ack!
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Date & Time: 05/09/90 14:23:20
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Message Number 4380
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This BBS software doesn't support a backslash! That's dumb!
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===========
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|
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From: TURTLE
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To: CHIP P. UNICORN
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Subject: Xnty...
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Date & Time: 05/09/90 14:26:21
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Message Number 4381
|
||
|
||
I don't do the "found your own religion" thing...it's too much like
|
||
work, and besides, it gets the IRS breathing down your neck. On the
|
||
other hand, I'd be happy to act as a creative consultant to someone
|
||
/else/ who was looking to start a religion.
|
||
--A lazy Turtle
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
Subject: <*=-:-=*>
|
||
Date & Time: 05/09/90 14:29:59
|
||
Message Number 4382
|
||
|
||
Who cares about pornographic pictures of snakes? Other snakes, of
|
||
course! (wanders away, muttering something about people who miss the
|
||
obvious...)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: DONTHEN
|
||
Subject: Intel IAPX86
|
||
Date & Time: 05/09/90 14:33:02
|
||
Message Number 4383
|
||
|
||
ERACS has the dumbest message editor I've ever seen, sure, but the
|
||
beauty of an ERACS system is that you could run another BBS program
|
||
under it with relative ease...or even (gasp!) write your own. Every
|
||
now and then, late at night, I still debate putting up ERACS and letting
|
||
the dice fall where they may...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: RUFUS
|
||
Subject: Deal
|
||
Date & Time: 05/09/90 16:14:01
|
||
Message Number 4384
|
||
|
||
It's the forrunner of RBBS (the A is for Apple strangely enuf!) Hmmmm
|
||
usually anything with Pro in it was written by Roger Wagner Publishing
|
||
and IS probably good.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
Subject: Real solutions
|
||
Date & Time: 05/09/90 16:17:40
|
||
Message Number 4386
|
||
|
||
about half of that list are things that are VERY liberal in their
|
||
interpretation. If anything each year that passes stamps the book
|
||
ever more firmly as FACT not fiction. The only parts left open
|
||
to "belief" are the assertions that it was directed by a omniscient
|
||
being, that he created us and this universe, and that this is his
|
||
record of his dealings with us and his plan for us. As far as the
|
||
probelm of evil - NEVER has it been so exquisitly stated as in the
|
||
book of Job - the Bible does not attempt to evade any issues - it does
|
||
give food for MEDITATIVE thought - if you go looking for a blueprint
|
||
for life & happiness then life in general will disappoint you as well
|
||
as the Bible.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
Subject: Foo
|
||
Date & Time: 05/09/90 16:23:31
|
||
Message Number 4387
|
||
|
||
C'mon Chip - be CORRECT - not sensationalistic! Ananias (& his wife)
|
||
were killed because they LIED about how much they gave when they
|
||
didn't have to. Nobody was "keeping track" of whom gave how much
|
||
but they were deliberately trying to appear "holier than thou" by
|
||
giving only a small portion of the proceeds of the sale of their
|
||
property and claiming to have given it all. According to the beliefs
|
||
of the early Christians all was owed to God as it came from God it was
|
||
a very early community effort at raising funds to survive in what had
|
||
become a very hostile land that prompted the land sale. To "hold out"
|
||
and claim the benefits of their "sacrifice" was an outright insult to
|
||
God himself and all the others that had given all they had to the
|
||
early Church. It may seem extreme to us as far as punishment but -
|
||
we are judging by our values which is arrogant to an extreme to assert
|
||
that we are correct and other value systems are wrong.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: DELPHI
|
||
Subject: godtalk
|
||
Date & Time: 05/09/90 16:53:36
|
||
Message Number 4388
|
||
|
||
Just as a quickiee -- the actual reference to God in the Bible contains
|
||
both male and female qualities and as such is a major balk to Jewish
|
||
people as they think it's a bogus gentile trick (even though their
|
||
own texts say it too).
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: ALL
|
||
Subject: Mania
|
||
Date & Time: 05/09/90 16:58:23
|
||
Message Number 4389
|
||
|
||
hehehehehehee
|
||
never fails - make a few remarks about God and even the lurkers come
|
||
out with barbed weapons. Shoot - I couldn't log on for a few days and
|
||
had to capture all of the messages for leisurely digestion. I'll post
|
||
after some serious thoughts. Chip, Turtle - you folks are veritable
|
||
GEMS! Here I thought I might get a few canned comebacks and - wow!
|
||
Such neat little verbal repartee's. I *was* slightly disappointed in
|
||
Turtle ending with the old weak -"more crimes, wars <ad nauseum> is
|
||
due to Christainity than anything else" crap. Hell the Chinese have
|
||
eradicated entire cultures within their own in centuries gone by. Right
|
||
now we have a group of priests in Nepal trying to maintain a bloody
|
||
status quo - face it Turtle *wherever* there has been a cause, good or
|
||
bad, there have been con artists and exploiters to take advantage of
|
||
the "followers" (sheep waiting to be sheared (is /this/ what Jesus
|
||
meant by His flock?) and pervert the cause to their own benefit.
|
||
Wars are caused simply by someone wanting power and making the mass
|
||
of humanity on his side believe that the other side has wronged them in
|
||
some terrible way that requires retribution. Religion is just usually
|
||
a good excuse.
|
||
I'll have to peek at my capture file for any more goodies...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DELPHI
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: godtalk
|
||
Date & Time: 05/09/90 17:36:58
|
||
Message Number 4390
|
||
|
||
Hello. I've seen the male and female qualities references. I'm thinking
|
||
this is because they co-opted Yawaeh from the Goddess concept, making
|
||
him a god of power and domininion. According to Diane Stein,
|
||
a writer, the Hebrew god was a woman, traced as Iahu-Anat by Elizabeth
|
||
Gould Davis (who, by the way, was a librarian at Selby before she died.)
|
||
During patriarchal takeover, the Jewish Yahweh was also once the hunter
|
||
god-consort of Anat, known as Baal. Anyway, eventually you know the stor
|
||
y.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DELPHI
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: IBMs
|
||
Date & Time: 05/09/90 17:46:35
|
||
Message Number 4391
|
||
|
||
Would like to hear more about why you say to avoid IBM clones. Looks lik
|
||
like I need one anyway for work, but I need to stay informed. I won't
|
||
get rid of this CP/M, because my father wants to try it out.
|
||
By the way, I'm enjoying the dialog here even tho some days I just can't
|
||
get to the computer for play. Thanks.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DONTHEN
|
||
To: KEN OBER
|
||
Subject: ack!
|
||
Date & Time: 05/09/90 18:23:37
|
||
Message Number 4393
|
||
|
||
Ah ha! You found the magic boner in PBBS! Backslash characters signify
|
||
end-of-line to the message printing routine. Yes, it /is/ kind of
|
||
annoying. It apparently has something to do with the way Microsoft
|
||
FORTRAN compilers work (that being the language PBBS is written in.)
|
||
Incidentally, that's why there were never any backslashes in the
|
||
intro screens here or on Wyvern's Den, even in places where you'd think
|
||
they'd make sense....
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DONTHEN
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Intel IAPX86
|
||
Date & Time: 05/09/90 18:26:30
|
||
Message Number 4394
|
||
|
||
> You could run another BBS program under it with relative ease...
|
||
|
||
Kinda sorta. Other systems would have their own separate userlog,
|
||
making people log on twice, wouldn't respect any of ERAC's own system
|
||
variables and probably wouldn't let people get back to ERACS /or/ exit
|
||
to ERACS when they logged off, since in a non-ERACS environment that
|
||
would mean plopping them onto the DOS prompt. Also, most BBS's have
|
||
their own modem I/O drivers in them which could interfere with ERACS'
|
||
drivers. You'd still need to do some hefty modification to make an
|
||
existing BBS run under ERACS, and without source code, it would make
|
||
all the PBBSH modifications to date seem trivial.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: RUFUS
|
||
To: SNAKEBYTE
|
||
Subject: rOAD rALLY.....
|
||
Date & Time: 05/09/90 19:06:00
|
||
Message Number 4396
|
||
|
||
>Insight into how to do the next one.....watch for it!!!!
|
||
Use letters instead of numbers.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: RUFUS
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: Deal
|
||
Date & Time: 05/09/90 19:16:15
|
||
Message Number 4397
|
||
|
||
ProTERM was done by Checkmate Technologies or some such company.
|
||
One of these days I'll put up my BBS. After I get a serial card and
|
||
a modem, and Bart Fox helps me destroy GBBS.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: YNGLING
|
||
To: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
Subject: :) the sequel
|
||
Date & Time: 05/09/90 20:04:11
|
||
Message Number 4398
|
||
|
||
Dear Lady,
|
||
_____________________________________________________________________
|
||
[ the line you requested ]
|
||
|
||
I read your message on Courts of Chaos re: borrowing books. Which
|
||
science fiction titles are you interested in borrowing? We had only
|
||
discussed A Box Full of Hell, but I'll gladly loan you any titles I
|
||
have that you'd like to read. Let me know.
|
||
The Yngling :)
|
||
P.S. The case is going well...working my rear off (even had to miss
|
||
Snakebyte's Rally which I wasnt too pleased about...but going well.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: YNGLING
|
||
To: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
Subject: please...
|
||
Date & Time: 05/09/90 20:15:43
|
||
Message Number 4399
|
||
|
||
C.P.U.,
|
||
Thanks. I had these weird mental pictures of a Rambo-esque assault
|
||
on an adobe church (complete with bell) with amazing pyrotechnics. I'm
|
||
glad to hear it was something much less violent and with good reason.
|
||
The Yngling
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: KEN OBER
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: uummm....
|
||
Date & Time: 05/09/90 20:29:11
|
||
Message Number 4401
|
||
|
||
Maybe I won't be riding with you and Watts -- Rufus says he's goiing
|
||
to take me now....ANd it would be better, since I won't be so
|
||
pressed for time on Friday...So, I guess I'm riding with him...
|
||
|
||
ACK! I THINK! hehehehhe -- If anything changes, I'll scream
|
||
real loud and slam my head somewhere.....
|
||
|
||
I finally caught up with you at work! I go there enough! Youy look
|
||
abnormally normal when you're working! :) Hey, can you clean the
|
||
heads of my V-8 Camcorder? I can't find anything to do it that
|
||
costs under a few bucks!
|
||
|
||
c-'Ya l8r!
|
||
|
||
-TRR-
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: KEN OBER
|
||
Subject: .
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 00:47:11
|
||
Message Number 4402
|
||
|
||
What do you mean "I look abnormally normal-looking?" Fox says I look
|
||
distressingly like a McDonald's person, which is distressing because,
|
||
well, I'm...a McDonald's person. Woo! Anyway, I wouldn't try to clean
|
||
the heads of the camcorder without one of those funky cleaning tapes,
|
||
because you have to take the goddamn thing apart and take the shell
|
||
off the head assembly to do it by hand, and I don't have a set of
|
||
jewelers' screwdrivers any more. *sigh* If you bring it over sometime,
|
||
I'll try (again) to fix the viewfinder, though...
|
||
If you can get a ride w/Rufus, that will save Watts and I some
|
||
aggravation, since we're likely to be /real/ pressed for time on
|
||
Friday. Cia0, d00d...
|
||
--A pressed Turtle
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: Mania
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 00:53:59
|
||
Message Number 4403
|
||
|
||
Pity the "religion causes wars" thing disappointed you--I was simply
|
||
using that to counter Chip's "but see all the good Christianity has
|
||
done!" I think it's a mistake to assume that religion per se does not
|
||
lead to all sorts of strife; /any/ self-replicating belief system is
|
||
going eventually to be responsible for a good deal of uncivility, Human
|
||
nature being what it is. Here's the problem:
|
||
#define Belief_System $foo;
|
||
Begin
|
||
S1: People who do not believe in $foo will burn in hell;
|
||
S2: It is your duty to prevent suffering;
|
||
S3 ... Sn;
|
||
End
|
||
|
||
A correlary of S1 and S2 is that in order to prevent suffering, it is
|
||
your obligation to make people accept $foo, regardless of the cost
|
||
(after all, isn't it worth a little awkwardness now if you can prevent
|
||
everlasting torment?) Another correlary is that if someone refuses to
|
||
accept $foo, then it doesn't really matter what you do to him; after
|
||
all, he's damned anywat, right? (Both these lines of reasoning were
|
||
very popular during the middle ages, in fact.) Another problem arises
|
||
when two incompatible belief systems, $foo and $bar (Christianity and
|
||
Islam, say) have S1 and S2 in common but differ in statements 3 to
|
||
n...because each side will feel obligated to spread the Word, whatever
|
||
trhe cost, and both sides will soon start feeling very frustrated...and
|
||
angry...and...well, bad things happen. It's not really accurate to say
|
||
"Christianity causes problems when greedy people try to use it to get
|
||
[whatever];" exclusive belief systems can intrinsically cause conflict,
|
||
even if the statements contained in those belief systems instruct its
|
||
adherents to be nice to other people.
|
||
--A self-unreplicating Turtle
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: DELPHI
|
||
Subject: godtalk
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 01:02:55
|
||
Message Number 4404
|
||
|
||
I'd feel very uncomfortable trying to defend the premiss that the Hebrew
|
||
god was a variant on the Goddess, simply because the Hebrew religion is
|
||
a desert religion that arose almost completely in isolation and did not
|
||
start to incorporate the ideas of Wicca and other Celtic pagan beliefs
|
||
until /after/ it had started spreading throughout Europe, at about the
|
||
time of the death of Christ. The New Testament contains several ideas
|
||
that are clearly taken from the animistic pagan religions popular in
|
||
Europe during the first century or so AD, but going back farther than
|
||
that we see a more old-style war-god conception of the Hebrew diety
|
||
that's fairly typical of desert religions in general (as an interesting
|
||
side note, why is it that harsh climates invariably breed monotheistic
|
||
religions and more temperate climates breed polytheistic and animistic
|
||
belief systems?). Trying to forcibly interpret the Old Testament in
|
||
terms of goddess worship is at best naive (and looking back, I see I've
|
||
manages to split an infinitive in this sentence, too...*sigh*).
|
||
--An irreverant Turtle
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: DELPHI
|
||
Subject: IBMs
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 01:08:57
|
||
Message Number 4405
|
||
|
||
Well, in a nutshell, the reasons I don't like IBM clones are:
|
||
* They're generally poorly designed, and their bus architecture is
|
||
a nightmare;
|
||
* They're slower than they have any right to be;
|
||
* They are built around mediocre IAPX86-family microprocessors;
|
||
* Their operating system, an obnoxious CP/M hack, was primitive by 1984
|
||
standards and is still klunky, awkward, and underpowered even four
|
||
versions later;
|
||
* IBM applications programs generally require obscene amounts of free
|
||
memory to perform even the simplest of tasks;
|
||
* They are victims not only of poor design but in many ways of poor
|
||
/conception/--lacking the features found even in modern 8-bit
|
||
systems;
|
||
* They're overpriced (although peripherals for them are, thankfully,
|
||
dirt-cheap);
|
||
* They are only minimally functional for any sort of sophisticated I/O;
|
||
* A great deal of IBM software, even commercial $500 software packages,
|
||
is sooo klunky and awkward it's hard to imagine that anyone is even
|
||
reluctantly willing to put up with it;
|
||
* The systems in both software and hardware are relatively inflexible,
|
||
again even from modern 8-bit machine's standpoints;
|
||
* They are riddled with a staggering number of kludges, hacks, and
|
||
misfeatures that nobody seems willing to rectify.
|
||
Other than that, I don't have any /real/ problems with IBM-type
|
||
machines; get rid of some of those problems and you'd be left with
|
||
a workable, if somewhat mediocre, computer. (If you'd like me to
|
||
elaborate on any or all of the above, I'd be more than happy to,
|
||
although it might end up getting me crucified...:) )
|
||
--An obliging Turtle
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: DONTHEN
|
||
Subject: Intel IAPX86
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 01:20:29
|
||
Message Number 4406
|
||
|
||
That's why you write your own ERACS BBS system, dip. (ERACS is by far
|
||
the most powerful BBS package I've seen to date for micros--which
|
||
probably explains why it's only available for two operating systems,
|
||
TRSDOS and UNIX--but, Lordy, does its bulletin board ever suck eggs!)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
To: DELPHI
|
||
Subject: godtalk
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 08:16:47
|
||
Message Number 4407
|
||
|
||
Dear Delphi,
|
||
Forgive me for calling Adonai "he." Unfortunately, there is no
|
||
pronoun in English for gender-neutral people (or hermaphroditic people.)
|
||
Adonai is, of course, beyond gender -- and it was inaccurate for me to
|
||
call the Divine One "He."
|
||
Also, I agree with the feminist concept of continuums, not
|
||
dualities -- for some dualities. Simplistically, there are "goods"
|
||
which are "greater goods" than others, and there are "evils" that
|
||
are "lesser evils" than others. (I don't believe in breaking all
|
||
dualities into lesser and greater.)
|
||
However, I do not see how having a God (or Goddess) separate from
|
||
time and space is necessarily logically related to a patriarchal view
|
||
of the world. I will grant that in many cases, having one belief
|
||
correlates to having the other. But I don't see how it follows that
|
||
one implies the other.
|
||
Covering more ground, again, I don't see how our limitations to
|
||
three dimensions or five (six? confusing.) senses necessarily means
|
||
that we will observe polarities. I believe it has more to do with
|
||
ancient lawmakers deciding what was "right" and what was "wrong" --
|
||
and this beig simplified over the ages. Laws have always supported a
|
||
limited form of continuums: one doesn't kill another for stealing a
|
||
nickel.
|
||
Why do I believe that this is reality, and not the dream plane?
|
||
Continuousness. Although every time when I wake up here, it is always
|
||
the same, there is no continuousness to my dreams. What I remember are
|
||
disjoint views of entirely different, unconnected worlds. (Of course,
|
||
no assumptions can be made about "what is reality?" Reality is what it
|
||
is -- regardless of reason.)
|
||
Is the Earth a living, breathing entity? Is the Earth alive?
|
||
for me, one of the definitions of life is that it attempts to change
|
||
its surroundings for its own, personal good. (Patriarchal? Probably.)
|
||
<Continued, next message.>
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
To: DELPHI
|
||
Subject: godtalk
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 08:41:07
|
||
Message Number 4408
|
||
|
||
Plants attempt to draw nutrients from the soil, and some use poison
|
||
to discourage competition from other plants. Ants have fantastic
|
||
communication networks to build their hives. Conservationists try to
|
||
save the planet, that it might be livable in the future. However, I
|
||
have never observed a rock -- or a crystal -- attempting to better its
|
||
own surroundings.
|
||
Is there power in crystals? I won't touch that one. Is Gaia of the
|
||
state where she doesn't need to better her surroundings? Nor will I
|
||
touch that -- but as a good mother, I would expect the Goddess to
|
||
reproach her human children rather severely.
|
||
My roomate, who is a feminist, has the book Beyond God the Father --
|
||
as soon as I have the chance, I will read it.
|
||
You're a fascinating person, Delphi.
|
||
Chip P. Unicorn
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: real Christians
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 08:51:55
|
||
Message Number 4409
|
||
|
||
Dear Turtle,
|
||
Either the God described by the Bible is 100% correct -- or it
|
||
is not. If it is not perfectly correct, then those claims are false.
|
||
I'll freely admit that it might be that the "actual" god (the Big
|
||
Fellah in the Sky) might be a bit off (he/she/it/they might have a
|
||
flowing red beard instead of a white one) -- but even the slightest
|
||
change would make those claims of exclusiveness WRONG.
|
||
Yes, Jesus did speak about "different flocks" -- but, in context,
|
||
it seemed that he was talking about preaching to the non-Jews. (This
|
||
was a radical idea for the time...) Not that of creating many other
|
||
religions.
|
||
Can there be a religion that is not recognizably Christian, but
|
||
would qualify under God's eyes? I don't know -- I'm not God. What I
|
||
do know is that, within a very few guidelines, there is an incredible
|
||
diversity of what could be called recognizably Christian.
|
||
Chip P. Unicorn
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Intel IAPX86
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 09:00:23
|
||
Message Number 4410
|
||
|
||
Whispers in the night,
|
||
hidden sounds,
|
||
"i love os/2... i love os/2... ibm is my friend... ibm is my friend...
|
||
i love ms-dos... i love ms-dos... i want windows... i want windows..."
|
||
hidden sounds,
|
||
Whispers in the night,
|
||
while Turtles sleep.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: No No ! Please
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 09:02:54
|
||
Message Number 4411
|
||
|
||
Incorrigible punster: do not incorrige.
|
||
Chip P. Unicorn
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: Real solutions
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 09:05:21
|
||
Message Number 4412
|
||
|
||
Dear JonBoy,
|
||
Are you assuming that "liberal" means "wrong"?
|
||
Also, are you saying that it has been "scientifically proven" that
|
||
the Earth was created in six days -- like Genesis 1 says?
|
||
|
||
Does the Bible contradict itself? Let's examine the first contra-
|
||
diction in the Bible: Genesis 1 and 2. In Genesis 1, man and woman were
|
||
both created on the sixth day, the last beings to be created.
|
||
(Gen. 1:24-27). In Genesis 2, it seems to say that man was created
|
||
before woman ("When the Lord God made the earth and the heavens -- and
|
||
no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth and no plant of
|
||
the field had yet sprung up...the Lord God formed the man from the
|
||
dust of the ground and breated into his nostrils the breath of life")
|
||
BEFORE He created the plants.
|
||
Chip P. Unicorn
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: Mania
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 09:13:33
|
||
Message Number 4413
|
||
|
||
Dear Jonboy,
|
||
Thanks. I'm enjoying the debate. Though I've rarely seen anyone
|
||
become converted due to any religious debates, it helps me learn how
|
||
others view the world.
|
||
Chip P. Unicorn
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
To: YNGLING
|
||
Subject: please...
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 09:17:11
|
||
Message Number 4414
|
||
|
||
Speaking about adobe churches...
|
||
One of the most amazing things in San Miguel is the cathedral in
|
||
the center of town. A Mexican had seen a picture postcard of a Gothic
|
||
cathedral, and he thought it would be a Really Neat Idea to have one
|
||
in his town. Unschooled in architecture, he drew the plans for a
|
||
cathedral... and he knew enough rich people in town to have it
|
||
built.
|
||
The first miracle was that it stood. The second is that it's
|
||
existed for so long. (It's now over 100 years old.) It's still exactly
|
||
as ugly as ever -- but it's in use.
|
||
|
||
If I ever were to be Ramboesque about a church, it might be that
|
||
one. Antonio Gaudi would have been proud of it.
|
||
Chip P. Unicorn
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Mania
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 09:22:11
|
||
Message Number 4415
|
||
|
||
Dear Turtle,
|
||
Aha! Douglas Hfstadter's meme has sunk into your brain. His
|
||
meme says something like this:
|
||
1. You will use the idea of self-replicating sentences to
|
||
explain religions and other ideas.
|
||
2. To not do so is untruthful, and one must always be
|
||
truthful.
|
||
|
||
Chip P. Unicorn
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: KEN OBER
|
||
To: ALL
|
||
Subject: THE BBS
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 13:07:31
|
||
Message Number 4417
|
||
|
||
Yes, we're BACK! We used to be REMOTE CONTROL! but now we're better!
|
||
The ABRACADABRA BBS is /now/ ONLINE! Please call -- This is a
|
||
temporary setup, but it does have message bases -- We have a few
|
||
messages online already! I am using the 2400 modem, but the BBS runs
|
||
only at 1200 baud -- All those who had problems connecting before,
|
||
please try again -- ALl problems are now fixed...
|
||
|
||
CALL SNAKEBYTE, TURTLE, DONTHEN, CHIP, and BLACK MAGIC!!!!
|
||
|
||
813/378-2218
|
||
8-N-1-1200
|
||
|
||
-Ken Ober-
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAURON
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Binkley
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 15:18:16
|
||
Message Number 4418
|
||
|
||
Yes, Spanish Inquisition is close to the mark, but without even the
|
||
redeeming value of Castillian Nuns with batches of Sangria to revive
|
||
flagging interogatees and fan their brows with the breeze of flapping
|
||
oversize breasts confined by designer-pushup bras ...you get the idea.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAURON
|
||
To: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
Subject: What I'm doing.
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 15:23:23
|
||
Message Number 4419
|
||
|
||
These biblical quotes and moral messages on a general-purpose BBS
|
||
tend to become tiresome.
|
||
Evangelism has it's place, (I guess) somewhere, but not here.
|
||
Turtle - if I'm out of line, saying that, just say so.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAURON
|
||
To: CORWYN OF AMBER
|
||
Subject: Hey..
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 15:27:06
|
||
Message Number 4420
|
||
|
||
Okay Corwyn, I (for one) will take you up on it, and call later
|
||
tonight.
|
||
"A good BBS is a terrible thing to waste"
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAURON
|
||
To: ACAPULCO
|
||
Subject: What I'm doing.
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 15:30:24
|
||
Message Number 4421
|
||
|
||
AMEN...(so to speak)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAURON
|
||
To: YNGLING
|
||
Subject: game-theory
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 15:32:04
|
||
Message Number 4422
|
||
|
||
-W.C. Fields on his deathbed, reading the Bible...
|
||
|
||
"...just looking for loopholes..."
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAURON
|
||
To: SNAKEBYTE
|
||
Subject: thermodynamics
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 15:37:26
|
||
Message Number 4423
|
||
|
||
Tigers in tanks? far too recent to be of signifigance.
|
||
Might as well say "Winston tastes good..."
|
||
|
||
How about, "...Mommie puts it in my milk for extra energeeeee."
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAURON
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: They hate...
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 15:43:30
|
||
Message Number 4424
|
||
|
||
Christians are uncomfortable about being blame for so many of the
|
||
world's woes, but fact is-Europe has been the dominant area of the
|
||
planet for 300 years now, and Europe has been predominantly Christian
|
||
in make up. Need any more data on why the world's screwed up?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAURON
|
||
To: KEN OBER
|
||
Subject: You Dweeb...
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 15:49:03
|
||
Message Number 4425
|
||
|
||
What's with this "Dweeb" shit, you asshole. If I need advice from you,
|
||
I'll ask for it.
|
||
Keep your name-calling to a minimum, unless you want it returned to
|
||
you with interest.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAURON
|
||
To: CORWYN OF AMBER
|
||
Subject: 286: Stone Age
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 15:53:34
|
||
Message Number 4426
|
||
|
||
I cannot get into another hardware battle because I have mixed
|
||
emotions. I sold my Commodore 128 recently (which is a GREAT machine in
|
||
many ways) and I am not terribly impressed with the 286 clone I put
|
||
together, but where was I supposed to go? 8-bit is doomed and all but
|
||
obsolete. Anyone who buys anything built by Apple is a candidate for
|
||
really bad land-purchases...and the Amiga, while a great machine, (I
|
||
wanted an A-2000) is getting into the Apple realm of overpriced stuff.
|
||
(unless you buy the toy A-500 version, which Tyler did.)
|
||
|
||
So I opted for a middle of the road 286 clone. It was my decision, and
|
||
I don't need abuse from 16-yr. olds about it.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BLACK MAGIC
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: ...
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 16:22:31
|
||
Message Number 4427
|
||
|
||
Hi love. Good news....my doctor called at school...I went into
|
||
remission again! Or at least I'm getting there! My blood count is
|
||
getting healthier....and I'm getting happier...
|
||
Trace
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: C.C.A.
|
||
To: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
Subject: Real solutions
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 16:28:13
|
||
Message Number 4428
|
||
|
||
But why can't they die without human help??
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: C.C.A.
|
||
To: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
Subject: Real dips
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 16:30:25
|
||
Message Number 4429
|
||
|
||
God had to send Satan somewhere until his redemption plan could run it's
|
||
course. It is true that God allows evil, but that evil will be punished.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: C.C.A.
|
||
To: YNGLING
|
||
Subject: Real dips
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 16:39:24
|
||
Message Number 4430
|
||
|
||
It took a lot more than 'spoon-fed' religion(sp?) to make me feel the
|
||
way I do. It took almost being put in jail to realize who I had been
|
||
worshiping all these years. I found that you can either serve God or
|
||
Satan, one or the other, not both and not neither. A 'Non-Worship'
|
||
state of mind is a crock of sh*t. you are just letting Satan control
|
||
of your life.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: C.C.A.
|
||
To: YNGLING
|
||
Subject: Real dips
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 16:49:27
|
||
Message Number 4431
|
||
|
||
It's not our place to question, but to obey.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: C.C.A.
|
||
To: CORWYN OF AMBER
|
||
Subject: Real dips
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 16:52:58
|
||
Message Number 4432
|
||
|
||
There might be a connection.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: C.C.A.
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Real dips
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 16:54:26
|
||
Message Number 4433
|
||
|
||
Why can't we try to do both? I'm only 15 and I'm already going to
|
||
heaven, so why can't I spend the rest of my life making the world
|
||
better??
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: C.C.A.
|
||
To: CORWYN OF AMBER
|
||
Subject: Real dips
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 16:57:26
|
||
Message Number 4434
|
||
|
||
Then it will be too late.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CORWYN OF AMBER
|
||
To: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
Subject: Xnty...
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 20:45:24
|
||
Message Number 4436
|
||
|
||
Don't create your own.. Go for Bokononism.. a ready made, perfect
|
||
religion. Vonnegut already did the dirty work for you.
|
||
|
||
- Corwyn
|
||
P.S. You could also raise fund to recover the "lost" "Books of Bokonon"
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CORWYN OF AMBER
|
||
To: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
Subject: Pizza=God
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 20:49:46
|
||
Message Number 4437
|
||
|
||
I would.. but the shallowness of my pocketbook, and the depth of my
|
||
card account have been forcing me to partake of the Morrison Swill.. if
|
||
only they'd serve a 2:00(am) snack!
|
||
- Corwyn
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CORWYN OF AMBER
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: New Subject
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 20:55:59
|
||
Message Number 4438
|
||
|
||
I don't understand the command line philosophy.. simply have menus..
|
||
THAT YOU CAN INTERRUPT.. It's a little more difficult to write than
|
||
opus or PCboard style command stacking, but it's worth it! You can do
|
||
very self explanetory menus, and simply let people go wherever they want
|
||
more quickly than Opus with /no/ menus. I think it's probably been a
|
||
month or two since I saw all of one of Frank's menu's on The Cutting
|
||
Board.. he kept the commands intuitive, and made the structure logical..
|
||
how hard is that? (Well, you say.. /your/ board isn't consistent.) My
|
||
board isn't consistent because I haven't gotten around to fixing that
|
||
yet. Anyway.. I like Hotkey menus... AND completely programmable menus.
|
||
|
||
- Corwyn
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CORWYN OF AMBER
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Intel IAPX86
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 21:01:47
|
||
Message Number 4439
|
||
|
||
Go for it.. just make copies of this for those "AAARRGGHHH.. it's eating
|
||
the userlist and saving the message base as the password list!" moments.
|
||
It's dark out and I'm not getting any more coherent.. scary.
|
||
|
||
- Corwyn
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CORWYN OF AMBER
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: Foo
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 21:05:23
|
||
Message Number 4440
|
||
|
||
Geesh.. even in the middle ages, they'd only cut out your tongue for
|
||
lying.. not kill you.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CORWYN OF AMBER
|
||
To: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
Subject: Intel IAPX86
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 21:15:19
|
||
Message Number 4441
|
||
|
||
OS/2 - 20,000 copies sold. Windows - 20,000 copies sold a month!
|
||
If you're gonna use one or the other.. which sounds better?
|
||
|
||
- Corwyn
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CORWYN OF AMBER
|
||
To: SAURON
|
||
Subject: 286: Stone Age
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 21:20:43
|
||
Message Number 4442
|
||
|
||
> It was my decision, and I don't need abuse from 16-yr. olds about it.
|
||
|
||
Huh? What's this relevant to?
|
||
|
||
- Corwyn
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CORWYN OF AMBER
|
||
To: C.C.A.
|
||
Subject: Real dips
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 21:22:25
|
||
Message Number 4443
|
||
|
||
> I've found that you can serve God or Satan, one or the other, not both
|
||
> not neither.
|
||
|
||
This is the biggest heap of shit I've heard in a while! I DO NOT serve
|
||
God.. but where the hell do you get off saying I serve Satan? The whole
|
||
concept is ridiculous beyond belief. How can you substantiate this
|
||
claim? Or is this simply another spew of mindless dogma?
|
||
|
||
- Corwyn
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CORWYN OF AMBER
|
||
To: C.C.A.
|
||
Subject: Real dips
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 21:25:48
|
||
Message Number 4444
|
||
|
||
> It's not our place to question, but to obey.
|
||
|
||
Oooohhhh! Now /that's/ truly pitiful! You're obeying words written 2000
|
||
years ago.. how can they possibly understand your life better than you
|
||
can? Why bother having a life if you're not going to control it.. and
|
||
are simply doing what a book (or God direct, for that matter) tells you?
|
||
|
||
"Jesus loves me, yes I know, because the bible tells me so."
|
||
Gag, puke, retch.. mindless conformism is disgusting.
|
||
|
||
- Corwyn
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CORWYN OF AMBER
|
||
To: C.C.A.
|
||
Subject: Real dips
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 21:29:37
|
||
Message Number 4445
|
||
|
||
If you admit that Believing in the christian doctrine make your life
|
||
miserable, why do you continue such masochism?
|
||
|
||
- Corwyn
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CORWYN OF AMBER
|
||
To: C.C.A.
|
||
Subject: Real dips
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 21:30:52
|
||
Message Number 4446
|
||
|
||
> Then it will be too late.
|
||
|
||
How do you know.. really this is getting silly.
|
||
|
||
- Corwyn
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: RAVEN
|
||
To: RUFUS
|
||
Subject: Gee.....
|
||
Date & Time: 05/10/90 22:18:34
|
||
Message Number 4447
|
||
|
||
I saw one (modem) cheap and working at the hackers garage sale, but they
|
||
(both) of them sold in the first hour, and as I did not need one I did
|
||
not buy one. I will let you know if I locate an inexpensive one.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DONTHEN
|
||
To: KEN OBER
|
||
Subject: THE BBS
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 00:03:58
|
||
Message Number 4449
|
||
|
||
> CALL SNAKEBYTE, TURTLE, DONTHEN, CHIP and BLACK MAGIC!!!!
|
||
|
||
I'm already calling Turtle. I /am/ Donthen, and I don't have any of
|
||
the other three people's phone numbers.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DONTHEN
|
||
To: SAURON
|
||
Subject: 286: Stone Age
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 00:06:30
|
||
Message Number 4450
|
||
|
||
How about abuse from other sysops? Zilog still sells more of their Z80
|
||
8-bit family chips (Z80A/B/H, Z84C00/01, Z180 and the Z8 dedicated
|
||
controllers) than all of Intel's chips put together, from their 8-bit
|
||
8088's to the 32-bit 386/486 beasts. 8-bit is only truly "obsolete" if
|
||
you're a power user... a Z180 or HD64180 (the Hitachi equivalent, and
|
||
the sucker the Wyvern's Den ran on) can run at 9 MHz and address 512K,
|
||
and has two 38400 bps serial ports, a two-stage timer and a two-channel
|
||
DMA controller on chip. Even its 6 MHz version runs rings around most
|
||
286 systems when it comes to actually doing anything useful (as opposed
|
||
to benchmarks testing how fast the CPU can count backwards from 32768 by
|
||
4's). It all depends on what you want to do; if not being compatible
|
||
with "industry standard software" doesn't bother you, then there's no
|
||
reason to go MS-DOS.
|
||
I have come to peace with MS-DOS systems; for a lot of things, they'd
|
||
be cost-effective. But on the whole, if I was going to get a 16-bit
|
||
(or 32-bit) system, I'd get an Amiga or--yes--a Macintosh IIcx first.
|
||
I'd want a computer that could do things my 8-bit system /can't/ do,
|
||
not just one that can do the same things a little faster or do it a
|
||
little slower with Brand Name Software.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DONTHEN
|
||
To: CORWYN OF AMBER
|
||
Subject: New Subject
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 00:19:12
|
||
Message Number 4451
|
||
|
||
Actually, hotkey menus are considerably /less/ difficult to program than
|
||
a true command stack. PBBS may not have them because the development
|
||
language Pat McDonald, the original author, chose was (inexplicably)
|
||
FORTRAN, and FORTRAN doesn't really deal with characters very well at
|
||
all.
|
||
I like hotkeys, although they can be fairly dangerous beasts if
|
||
you're not careful in setting them up (like PBBS's goodbye without
|
||
confirm routine).
|
||
As Turtle just reminded me, ERACS doesn't use command stacking per
|
||
se, it uses /commands/, i.e., the same way a DOS prompt does. The
|
||
commands are, in fact, commands to its parser and are usually translated
|
||
to DOS commands or passed to LS-DOS directly. When you log onto an
|
||
ERACS system, you're literally logging onto the remote computer, in the
|
||
same way you'd be logging onto a remote Unix system.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
Subject: godtalk
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 02:14:47
|
||
Message Number 4452
|
||
|
||
>Is there power in crystals? I won't touch that one.
|
||
|
||
Chip, Chip, Chip. Of /course/ there is power in crystals; properly
|
||
cut, they are electrically resonant at very narrow frequencies,
|
||
and are therefore good for making precision oscillators. Of course,
|
||
if by "power" you mean "the ability to heal people and make everything
|
||
wonderful forever," well, if a 36.271828KHz sine wave can heal people
|
||
and make everything wonderful forever, sure. Just wearing a crystal
|
||
around your neck isn't gonna do it, though; it's kinda like a primitive
|
||
tribesman wearing a piece of a field containment generator around his
|
||
neck because such devices have power.
|
||
--A crystalline Turtle
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
Subject: Intel IAPX86
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 02:19:14
|
||
Message Number 4453
|
||
|
||
>i love ms-dos...i want windows...
|
||
|
||
A little Mac envy there, Chip?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
Subject: Mania
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 02:22:04
|
||
Message Number 4454
|
||
|
||
I see you've been infected with the "meme" meme too...although
|
||
I was describing Christianity as a self-replicating system, not a
|
||
self-replicating sentence, and I was doing so by means of an abstraction
|
||
rather than present the self-replicating structure /as/ Christianity.
|
||
But other than that, yeah...except perhaps that not to view Christianity
|
||
in that fashion is not necessarily untruthful.
|
||
--A non-replicant Turtle
|
||
Thpth!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: SAURON
|
||
Subject: They hate...
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 02:28:02
|
||
Message Number 4455
|
||
|
||
Of course, it could be worse...Europe could be both a predominant world
|
||
power /and/ Shi'ite Muslim...one of the nastier of the nasty desert
|
||
religions to come along in a while.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: C.C.A.
|
||
Subject: Real Far Out
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 02:31:45
|
||
Message Number 4456
|
||
|
||
>But why can't they die without human help??
|
||
|
||
WHAT?????? Hey, dude, not to ask stupid questions, but what the /hell/
|
||
(pardon the pun) are you talking about??
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: C.C.A.
|
||
Subject: Real dips
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 02:33:13
|
||
Message Number 4457
|
||
|
||
>A 'Non-Worship' state of mind is just a crock of sh*t, you are just
|
||
>letting Satan control of your life.
|
||
|
||
You realize, of course, that that argument is totally invalid if the
|
||
person you're talking to doesn't buy into your cosmology to begin with.
|
||
How do you know that Islam isn't the true religion of God, and that
|
||
by being a Christian you are blindly following a false religion created
|
||
by Satan? For that matter, how do you know that your conception of God
|
||
and Satan are valid to begin with? (For your information, most modern
|
||
Christian theologians have pretty much dismissed the idea that such
|
||
an entity as Satan even exists...)
|
||
--A Turtle who doesn't buy any of it
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: C.C.A.
|
||
Subject: Real beanheads
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 02:36:32
|
||
Message Number 4458
|
||
|
||
>It's not our place to question, but to obey.
|
||
|
||
What a wonderful sheep you are. You know, I bet you're the sort of
|
||
person every Adolf Hitler wanna-be has wet dreams about. By the way, did
|
||
you know you just stated the central dogma of Islam? The word "Islam"
|
||
means "To Obey," and the word "Muslim" means "one who submits [to the
|
||
will of God]." Are you sure you've found the right religion? I think you
|
||
might be happier with something less...intellectual than Christianity.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: C.C.A.
|
||
Subject: Real dips
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 02:41:21
|
||
Message Number 4459
|
||
|
||
>I'm only 15 and I'm already going to heaven...
|
||
|
||
That should be a bumper sticker.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: CORWYN OF AMBER
|
||
Subject: Nusubject (tm)
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 02:42:38
|
||
Message Number 4460
|
||
|
||
>I don't understand the command line philosophy...
|
||
|
||
Welcome to LU-BBS.
|
||
BBS version 1.7, Command Processor version 2[A].3
|
||
@LOGIN FWVEAUX
|
||
Password:
|
||
|
||
@SET PROMPT -->
|
||
-->INFORMATION BBS-NEWS
|
||
|
||
The latest system bulletin:
|
||
LU-BBS has undergone a new revision. The BBOARD area now
|
||
supports full TOPS-20 style command processing, including "?"
|
||
intercepts, and has added two new commands, QUICKSCAN and
|
||
TITLE_SEARCH, which are self-explanatory.
|
||
|
||
-->INFORMATION PRIVELEGES
|
||
Username: FWVEAUX
|
||
Wheel
|
||
Operator
|
||
System_Maintenance
|
||
-->BBOARD
|
||
|
||
[Loading]
|
||
|
||
[B]-->READ NEW
|
||
|
||
THAT'S command-oriented BBSing. Any questions?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: CORWYN OF AMBER
|
||
Subject: Sing along!
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 02:50:20
|
||
Message Number 4461
|
||
|
||
(Come on, you all know the words)
|
||
|
||
Jesus loves me, this I know
|
||
For the babble tells me so...
|
||
|
||
I have at least a modicum of respect for people who form their own ideas
|
||
about religion and can support their religious views in a rational,
|
||
thoughtful manner. Sheep annoy me.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: ALL
|
||
Subject: Something else
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 02:54:05
|
||
Message Number 4462
|
||
|
||
Well, here I am, back from another day of work, which in my case means
|
||
working a drive-through at a McDonalds and dealing with people who
|
||
can't figure out:
|
||
|
||
I. Yes, you have to stop at the speaker to place an order.
|
||
A. It's the little stand with the "STOP Place Order Here" sign
|
||
B. Yes, you have to stop NEXT to it.
|
||
C. No, I won't know you're there if you miss by even a couple
|
||
dozen yards.
|
||
II. No, we don't have hot dogs.
|
||
A. McDonald's has /never/ sold hot dogs.
|
||
1. No, we don't advertise them on TV, either.
|
||
B. Wendy's has hot dogs.
|
||
1. No, this isn't Wendy's.
|
||
a. That's why the menu says "McDonsld's."
|
||
III. If you want an order of french fries, you need to specify what
|
||
/size/ an order you'd like.
|
||
A. We have three.
|
||
1. They're "large," "medium," and "small."
|
||
2. The cheapest ones are the "small." Then comes "meduim," then
|
||
"large."
|
||
B. Yes, that also goes for drinks.
|
||
IV. Yes, our Big Macs are on sale.
|
||
A. That's why the center of the menu is dominated by the "Big Macs
|
||
99 cents" sign.
|
||
1. It's similar to the huge sign in the front of the store.
|
||
2. Yes, they're on sale for 99 cents.
|
||
B. No, our quarter pounders aren't also on sale.
|
||
1. They're not Big Macs.
|
||
2, No, they aren't "close enough."
|
||
V. Ordering a Happy Meal is more involved than saying "I wanna Happy
|
||
Meal."
|
||
A. We have three kinds.
|
||
1. They're listed on the big picture on the menu board.
|
||
a. Yes, we have all three kinds.
|
||
b. No, they're not the same thing.
|
||
c. No, I can't read your mind.
|
||
B. They come with a drink.
|
||
1. Yes, you get to pick which drink.
|
||
a. Are you /sure/ you want coffee with that??
|
||
b. Okay...
|
||
2. Yes, the drink is included in the price.
|
||
a. That's why the picture says "Purchase price includes drink"
|
||
b. Oh look, it says the same thing on the box!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: ALL
|
||
Subject: Con't
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 03:05:19
|
||
Message Number 4463
|
||
|
||
VII. No, we don't have Dr. Pepper.
|
||
A. We have Coke, Diet, Sprite, and Orange.
|
||
1. No, we also don't have 7-up.
|
||
2. No, we /also/ don't have root beer.
|
||
3. No, we don't have Mr. Pibb either.
|
||
a. That's because we have Coke, Diet, Sprite, and Orange.
|
||
i. Yes, that means no Pepsi.
|
||
ii. You got it--no Mountain Dew, either.
|
||
b. I don't care /what/ Burger King has!
|
||
B. No, you can't "forget it and get a beer."
|
||
VIII. Now that you've placed your order, you need to drive up to the
|
||
window to pay for it.
|
||
A. Yes, that means you have to move.
|
||
1. Foot off brake
|
||
2. Foot on accelerator
|
||
a. Not too hard, now...
|
||
b. Mind that curve!
|
||
i. Yes, you /do/ have to go around the curve.
|
||
B. No, I won't walk out there and give you the order.
|
||
|
||
Honestly, the thought that these people, who are honestly and truly
|
||
incapable of placing an order at McDonald's, have the right to vote
|
||
in national elections terrifies me.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DM2
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Something else
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 05:22:26
|
||
Message Number 4464
|
||
|
||
LOL!!!!! My dad used to be a postman, and he would *always* eat at
|
||
McDonalds... he told me that EVERY day, during lunch, they would ask him
|
||
if he wanted a Pie... and he HATED pies... for five years, every day he
|
||
would say "no" to the Pie question...
|
||
.
|
||
.
|
||
Tell me, please... are McDonalds employees as sadistic as I'm told they
|
||
are?
|
||
.
|
||
.
|
||
---a curious DM
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CORWYN OF AMBER
|
||
To: DONTHEN
|
||
Subject: New Subject
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 07:56:13
|
||
Message Number 4465
|
||
|
||
Like a RCP/M system.. I know the concept.. but for most things it
|
||
doesn't seem particularly advantageous.. if you want let people do raw
|
||
directories.. have a menu option for it, I think the main drawback of
|
||
current BBS systems is the message handling.. you should try Magpie..
|
||
Sota's new BBS, it seems to address some of the problems, of course they
|
||
managed to make file handling clunky as hell, but nothings perfect.
|
||
P.S. Magpie runs under Unix.
|
||
|
||
- Corwyn
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CORWYN OF AMBER
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Intel IAPX86
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 08:00:33
|
||
Message Number 4466
|
||
|
||
> I love ms-dos...I want MS-Windows.. and I don't want my files to dis-
|
||
> appear randomly.
|
||
|
||
Definitely /not/ Mac-Envy, everybody know Mac users /want/ their
|
||
Operationg System to lose half thier files.
|
||
|
||
- Corwyn
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CORWYN OF AMBER
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Nusubject (tm)
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 08:04:43
|
||
Message Number 4467
|
||
|
||
Sure.. but I still don't quite see the reason not to have interruptible
|
||
menus.. on my own system, it would annoy me, however when I'm callihg
|
||
another system long distance, it's always nice to have exactly what I
|
||
can and can't do spelled out for me. Of course I don't want to /have/ to
|
||
wait for the menus.. that's why I like interruptable menus w/ hotkeys.
|
||
|
||
- Corwyn
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CORWYN OF AMBER
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Sing along!
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 08:06:56
|
||
Message Number 4468
|
||
|
||
I've always wanted to lead a "sheep shearing" movement. Then we'd
|
||
/know/ that all the bald guys are mindless idiots.
|
||
|
||
- Corwyn
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DONTHEN
|
||
To: CORWYN OF AMBER
|
||
Subject: New Subject
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 08:25:29
|
||
Message Number 4469
|
||
|
||
It depends on how it's set up. I've seen some RCP/M systems set up
|
||
pretty nicely, especially remote Z-System type ones -- the file system
|
||
can be set up as a point-and-shoot menu where you tag the files you
|
||
want on-screen and download them all with YMODEM Batch or ZMODEM.
|
||
The only drawback (assuming you've got it set up so people can't type
|
||
ERA *.*, which would be a serious drawback indeed) is that it won't
|
||
directly store a long description of the file in the directory; there's
|
||
usually a separate text file called FOR.TXT or something like that which
|
||
lists all of them, or you can type "FOR Q_264.ZIP" and get the system
|
||
to respond with an appropriate description like "It's QuickBBS 2.64,
|
||
bozo, what do you think?". This really doesn't make things any more
|
||
difficult when it comes right down to it, but I suspect it would still
|
||
be beyond a dismaying number of users.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DONTHEN
|
||
To: CORWYN OF AMBER
|
||
Subject: Nusubject (tm)
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 08:29:56
|
||
Message Number 4470
|
||
|
||
The only problem with hotkeys is line noise, or pressing the wrong key
|
||
and having it go to the wrong menu. Turtle will spew about this at
|
||
great length, although I think they're fairly trivial complaints....
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
To: DONTHEN
|
||
Subject: The Bart Fox
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 11:44:27
|
||
Message Number 4471
|
||
|
||
Watts-
|
||
Before you take off for Orlando, (if you get this message first),
|
||
could ya PUH-LEEZE pick up the stuffed fox?
|
||
Chip P. Unicorn
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
To: OASIS 3 FEN
|
||
Subject: Not going...
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 11:45:54
|
||
Message Number 4472
|
||
|
||
For those who were expecting to take the Green Bitch to Orlando this
|
||
weekend... I'm not going. Too much work to take off for a sci-fi
|
||
convention. Have fun, all -- and yip at Juan Alfonzo for me.
|
||
Chip P. Unicorn
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
To: KEN OBER
|
||
Subject: THE BBS
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 11:47:40
|
||
Message Number 4473
|
||
|
||
Dear Ken,
|
||
Tried calling early this morning. Your BBS simply typed +++ ATH
|
||
at me. Was it something I said?
|
||
Chip P. Unicorn
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
To: SAURON
|
||
Subject: What I'm doing.
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 11:49:58
|
||
Message Number 4474
|
||
|
||
Dear Mr. Sauron,
|
||
Your remark was ENTIRELY out of place. Not only did it show extreme
|
||
lack of interest in the general conversation, it had nothing
|
||
whatsoever to do with my message.
|
||
First of all, there were no Biblical quotes in message #4272. The
|
||
only Biblical quote that I gave recently was to contradict the
|
||
"normal" stance of the Church against abortion: I found a verse which
|
||
supported the right to abortion.
|
||
Secondly, most of my messages previous to that one have been
|
||
showing the faults of Christianity. This is directly OPPOSITE to
|
||
the idea of evangelism.
|
||
|
||
There has been a lively discussion about religious topics in
|
||
general on this board, with everyone taking different viewpoints.
|
||
I see not a single reason why religion shouldn't be discussed on
|
||
an open BBS. If you don't like it, please skip over any messages
|
||
that have to do with religion.
|
||
One question: what, precisely gives you the right to say which
|
||
topics should and should not be discussed on an "open" BBS?
|
||
The peeved Chip P. Unicorn
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
To: SAURON
|
||
Subject: They hate...
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 11:59:17
|
||
Message Number 4475
|
||
|
||
Yes. Of course. Saying there's a correlation between shoe size and
|
||
how well one does on a certain test might be completely true -- but
|
||
misleading. (The younger one is, the smaller the shoes... and usually
|
||
smaller shoes are only worn by much younger people.)
|
||
|
||
You're trying to prove the statement: Christianity is responsible
|
||
for the world's woes. You say that Europe has been the dominant area
|
||
of the planet for 300 years, and Europe is predominantly Christian.
|
||
Okay -- now, two questions: Is Europe really "messing up" the world --
|
||
or was the world messed up to begin with -- and Europe only slightly
|
||
modified the chaos? Secondly, even if Europe is the sole cause of
|
||
the chaos in the world, must it be Europe's RELIGION that causes it
|
||
to screw up the world?
|
||
|
||
You've got one hell of a lot left to prove.
|
||
Chip P. Unicorn
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
To: C.C.A.
|
||
Subject: Real dips
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 12:08:36
|
||
Message Number 4476
|
||
|
||
Dear C.C.A.,
|
||
>God had to send Satan somewhere until his redemption plan could run
|
||
>its course. It is true that God allows evil, but that evil will be
|
||
>punished.
|
||
|
||
Bad, bad philosophy. Several questions for you to mull over:
|
||
1. If God is omniscient and omnipotent, why did God create Satan
|
||
in the first place? Adonai must have known how Satan would
|
||
fall.
|
||
2. If God is all-good, how could the Lord have created a being
|
||
that could have fallen? (Please: don't resond simply with
|
||
"free will." Couldn't God have created Satan with free will --
|
||
but still have not fallen?)
|
||
3. Why did God allow -- first Satan, then Humanity -- to fall? Why
|
||
did God WANT to make the redemption plan? Why didn't God
|
||
simply create Humanity so that it would not fall into sin?
|
||
|
||
These questions have been mulled over since the Middle Ages...
|
||
Chip P. Unicorn
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
To: C.C.A.
|
||
Subject: Question
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 12:16:43
|
||
Message Number 4477
|
||
|
||
>It is not our place to question, but to obey.
|
||
|
||
Oh, no... This is precisely what I've been fighting within the Christian
|
||
Church for the past three years. Do you realize the effects of that
|
||
philosophy?
|
||
|
||
I'm speaking to you as a brother in Christ, here. I'm not attacking
|
||
you. The ONLY person you should obey is Christ, and Christ alone. I've
|
||
seen too many people who espouse that philosophy be completely taken.
|
||
(Re-read my message about Pastor Bill.) Too many people gladly take
|
||
your money, time, or efforts "in the name of God" -- and then abuse
|
||
your trust. I instinctively mistrust anyone who claims to be doing
|
||
something "in the will of God" -- and then immediately asks me for
|
||
something.
|
||
God commands us to question every spirit to see if it's from God.
|
||
(Sauron, please abort this message, now. I might begin quoting from
|
||
the Bible.) Throughout the Old Testament, people asked the messengers
|
||
from God for a sign to show they're from God. As good Christians, we
|
||
must constantly question our pastor's teaching to see if it's
|
||
completely from the Word of God. Blind acceptance will not do.
|
||
Complete obediance to God is wonderful. Be sure that it's not
|
||
someone else's ego trip that you're really following.
|
||
Chip P. Unicorn
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
To: CORWYN OF AMBER
|
||
Subject: Xnty...
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 12:27:06
|
||
Message Number 4478
|
||
|
||
Hmmm... haven't read that Vonnegut book. Which one is it?
|
||
|
||
Personally, I'd prefer to base one around Mike's from Stranger in
|
||
a Strange Land. Not much in the way of a message, as I can't make
|
||
things not with my mind, but the sexual part would be wonderful/
|
||
Chip P. Unicorn
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
To: CORWYN OF AMBER
|
||
Subject: Intel IAPX86
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 12:29:59
|
||
Message Number 4479
|
||
|
||
Os/2 or Windows -- which would I use? Os/2, of course. It's a lot
|
||
less useful, but at least it takes up much more memory.
|
||
Chip P. Unicorn
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
To: CORWYN OF AMBER
|
||
Subject: Real dips
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 12:34:03
|
||
Message Number 4480
|
||
|
||
Dear Corwyn,
|
||
I have no personal problems with the idea of a person following God.
|
||
If there's a God, and if God is interested in being followed -- God
|
||
might choose to have created some people especially to follow him/her/
|
||
it/them.
|
||
My problem is with people who follow people who claim to be following
|
||
God. If she/they/it/he want followers, then it/he/they/she should ask
|
||
them directly.
|
||
Chip P. Unicorn
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: godtalk
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 12:39:36
|
||
Message Number 4481
|
||
|
||
Dear Turtle,
|
||
What if I said that there have been studies that show that people
|
||
wearing crystals tend to become sick less than people who don't?
|
||
(Actually, there probably are such studies -- but I'm making this up
|
||
off the top of my head. I wouldn't be surprised if it's true.)
|
||
Of course there's no "power" within crystals that would automatically
|
||
bestow health, clear thinking, or increased sexual potency to a person.
|
||
But, psychosomatic effects are REALLY strong -- and they make finding
|
||
medicines difficult. If wearing a crystal around one's neck makes a
|
||
person feel healthier, or feel like one has a clearer mind -- then the
|
||
effect is probably real. But it's due to the belief -- and that's the
|
||
true power of the crystal.
|
||
Chip P. Unicorn
|
||
|
||
P.S. I use such things myself. When I have an upset stomach, I generally
|
||
make chammomile tea. There's a Mexican superstition that that kind of
|
||
tea is really wonderful for stomach problems. I tried it, had enough
|
||
faith that it would work -- and, bingo! It worked.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Nusubject (tm)
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 12:49:37
|
||
Message Number 4482
|
||
|
||
>THAT'S command-oriented BBSing. Any questions?
|
||
|
||
Yes. How do we learn the commands in the first place? Other than
|
||
that, it seems a sensible option.
|
||
Chip P. Unicorn
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: KEN OBER
|
||
To: SAURON
|
||
Subject: You Dweeb...
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 14:15:06
|
||
Message Number 4483
|
||
|
||
Dweeb.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: DM2
|
||
Subject: Something else
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 15:31:38
|
||
Message Number 4484
|
||
|
||
Well, if you place an order and say "and that's all," you won't be
|
||
asked if you want a pie...although, to be fair to McDonald's, you
|
||
probably wouldn't believe how much money suggestive selling generates.
|
||
About one in three or four people will say "Yeah, go ahead and add a
|
||
pie/fries/whatever" when you ask...
|
||
|
||
McDonald's people aren't all that sadistic...really. Unless we're having
|
||
a bad day.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: CORWYN OF AMBER
|
||
Subject: New Subject
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 15:35:28
|
||
Message Number 4485
|
||
|
||
>...for most things it [an RCP/M] doesn't seem particularly advantageous
|
||
|
||
If you're just running a bulletin board system, it's not. RCP/M's are
|
||
generally not just BBS systems, though; Z-nodes, for example, let you
|
||
experiment with new Z software before you download it, run utilities
|
||
for library and file handling, and all sorts of neat non-BBS functions
|
||
like that. (There are, in fact, RAS systems floating around with no
|
||
BBS running at all, or with only very limited message capabilities.)
|
||
--A remote access Turtle
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: DONTHEN
|
||
Subject: Nusubject (tm)
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 15:41:29
|
||
Message Number 4486
|
||
|
||
>Turtle will spew about this at great length...
|
||
|
||
No, Turtle will simply say "Menus are bad." There are places where
|
||
menus are appropriate--in bad IBM word processors, say--but for serious
|
||
applications, menus are evil.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
Subject: Nusubject (tm)
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 15:48:01
|
||
Message Number 4487
|
||
|
||
>How do we learn the commands in the first place?
|
||
|
||
In LU-BBS, type a question mark. It is immediately intercepted (you
|
||
don't press Return), and presents you with a list of commands
|
||
(or parameters if you've already typed a command). If you have
|
||
typed part of a commmand, it will give a list of all the commands
|
||
that match what you've typed so far, as in:
|
||
|
||
@L? Command, one of the following:
|
||
Login Logout Length List
|
||
@LOG? Command, one of the following:
|
||
Login Logout
|
||
@LOGIN ? Username
|
||
@LOGIN _
|
||
|
||
or, alternately,
|
||
|
||
@I? Command, one of the following:
|
||
Information
|
||
@I ? One of the following:
|
||
Priveleges System_News System_Statistics Userlog
|
||
@I Priv
|
||
Username: FWVEAUX
|
||
Wheel
|
||
Operator
|
||
System_Maintenance
|
||
@
|
||
|
||
Is easy, n'est pas?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DM2
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: hehe
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 16:05:19
|
||
Message Number 4488
|
||
|
||
Not sadistic, eh? Coulda fooled me... ;)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DELPHI
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: godtalk
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 17:45:32
|
||
Message Number 4489
|
||
|
||
Trying to interpret the Old Testament into goddess worship isn't my
|
||
point, because I believe it was the written enforcement of patriarchy.
|
||
But goddess worship far predates all other religion. To quote Diane
|
||
Stein in "The Women's Spirituality Book", "...evidence of anthropologist
|
||
and archeologists indicates that pre-god (goddess) civilizations were
|
||
both matriarchal and peaceful, and structured far different from today's
|
||
world. No evidence of human strife or violence has been found in any of
|
||
the ancient cities of the Near East until late in the third millenium,
|
||
when patriarchal nomads first invaded. Not restricted to the Near East,
|
||
the so-called "cradle of civilization," the Golden Age triad of goddess
|
||
worship, matriarchy and peace extended to Egypt, the Greco-Roman world,
|
||
Crete, Persia, Britain and Ireland, and to Africa.
|
||
It isn't that the war-god of the Hebrew tribes was female, but that he
|
||
originated in Baal, the hunter god-consort of the first Hebrew god,
|
||
Iahu-Anat or Ashtoreth. She was the great mother, who gained a male
|
||
consort that grew and overtook her as patriarchy took root.
|
||
Perhaps your desert theory comes not from the location but the lifestyle
|
||
of the people, since goddess times were gatherers and agricultural and
|
||
tribal. I can't remember the rest of what you said and it doesn't show
|
||
on my screen any longer.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DELPHI
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: IBMs
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 17:54:37
|
||
Message Number 4490
|
||
|
||
So, what you're saying is that they could be much better computers and
|
||
cost too much? How horrible is the software? I hate that business needs
|
||
dictate stuff like this, but maybe it's like speaking an ancient
|
||
language. You have to be understood -- speak the language. And in my
|
||
case it seems like people in my field are using IBMs and I have to be
|
||
able to plug in some way. Right now I sure can't switch disks.
|
||
Anyway, thanks for the infor.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DELPHI
|
||
To: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
Subject: godtalk
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 17:59:32
|
||
Message Number 4491
|
||
|
||
Wow. This stuff is getting so long I can't read fast enough to remember
|
||
what we're saying sometimes. Anyway, here goes an attempt at an answer.
|
||
I wouldn't agree that (what did you say? life ? means attempting to
|
||
better one's surroundings. Gaia would accept life as an active process,
|
||
I suppose, embracing things as they are as well as change. Who's to say
|
||
if a rock's surroundings are better because it doesn't attempt to change
|
||
them than if it would? Who's to say anything's wrong for a rock? For me,
|
||
I do see the need for some change but would feel myself becoming too
|
||
(are you ready for this one?) codependent if I tried to change things
|
||
to make them better for someone else. Now this is hard to resist, becaus
|
||
even feminists think we know what's good for you. I would say change is
|
||
necessary in a social system where we strive for equality, for the
|
||
worth and dignity of every person. That sure isn't the case today.
|
||
But other things -- things that don't seriously impact others -- must
|
||
be given to the basic right of each individual.
|
||
This stuff isn't well thought through, as you can tell. I will be
|
||
anxious to hear your opinion of active Be-Ing as defined by Mary
|
||
Daly. Maybe I'll be more clear then, because I'm enjoying our
|
||
dialog too.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: ACAPULCO
|
||
To: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
Subject: Real solutions
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 19:49:48
|
||
Message Number 4492
|
||
|
||
That's easily explained. In the days of the writing of Genesis, no one
|
||
would dream of thinking plants were beings. Quite a few folk still
|
||
don't, so where is the contradiction?
|
||
|
||
{Acapulco}
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CORWYN OF AMBER
|
||
To: DONTHEN
|
||
Subject: New Subject
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 20:09:37
|
||
Message Number 4493
|
||
|
||
I assume you could also simply cat the file, seeing all available files
|
||
(in that area) and the descriptions.. so it ends up almost exacly the
|
||
same as a bbs listing. You could also run the archive program directly
|
||
to see what's in the archive.. (to double check the version ect.)
|
||
I've considered writing a Filedoor clone that would allow you to type in
|
||
a filespec, and it would give you a list you could narrow it down from,
|
||
point-and-shoot will only work for ANSI, and even then it would probably
|
||
be a little slow. A nice feature would be to allow a user to maintain a
|
||
list of files he want to download as he scrolls through the directory,
|
||
and keep adding to it, waiting to download until he's seen everything.
|
||
Have a hotkey (like Ctrl-A or something) that would pop up you current
|
||
list to add or subtract from. I still might implement it in a door, but
|
||
the MS-DOS BBS scene is so chaotic now, I'll probably just wait and see
|
||
if anybody does anything like it internally.
|
||
BTW in case you don't know, but /do/ care: QuickBBS is dying. USTI
|
||
has bought the code (yes quick was sold yet again) and they're going
|
||
to go commercial with a package that has such things as Internal Call
|
||
Back Verification.. Whoopeee I bet I'll be reading about bugs in that
|
||
system for the next year.. maybe they'll kill that idea (please?)
|
||
However, in addition to Remote Access, about 3 other people are writing
|
||
quickbbs clones, so we'll se what happens.
|
||
|
||
- Corwyn
|
||
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CORWYN OF AMBER
|
||
To: DONTHEN
|
||
Subject: Nusubject (tm)
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 20:21:24
|
||
Message Number 4494
|
||
|
||
Line noise problems are going down, and having a goodbye confirm will
|
||
usually avoid anything disastrous. Even with quick, ifhe line noise
|
||
is abominable enough, you /can/ turn hotkeys off.. but I don't think I
|
||
even implemented the option on my board.. If the line noise is that bad
|
||
you should be bitching at the phone company.. not wasting your money on
|
||
my board.
|
||
|
||
- Corwyn
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CORWYN OF AMBER
|
||
To: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
Subject: Xnty...
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 20:28:37
|
||
Message Number 4495
|
||
|
||
Cat's cradle.. it's a more honest religion than Mike's. It's first
|
||
assertion is: Religion is all lies! Don't believe any of it.
|
||
Boko.. boko.. bokooo. NON!
|
||
|
||
- Corwyn
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CORWYN OF AMBER
|
||
To: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
Subject: Real dips
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 20:31:04
|
||
Message Number 4496
|
||
|
||
Frankly I think if God manifested himself and told me to follow him, I'd
|
||
simple tell him to go play with himself. Just because somebody created
|
||
you doesn't give them the right to completely control your life. My
|
||
parents created me, but they don't own me.
|
||
|
||
- Corwyn
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: YNGLING
|
||
Subject: Real dips
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 22:39:25
|
||
Message Number 4497
|
||
|
||
> Why do you...[assume] that everybody worships "SOMETHING?"
|
||
|
||
I'm a case that you can use to prove your point. I don't neccesarily
|
||
feel that worship of anything is stupid or wrong, I can get along with-
|
||
out worshipping something.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: SNAKEBYTE
|
||
Subject: rOAD rALLY.....
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 22:48:26
|
||
Message Number 4498
|
||
|
||
> the next one.....
|
||
|
||
In Bradenton you said? It had better be! I can't wait. Tyler is going
|
||
to regret all he complained about my not knowing where to go in Sarasota
|
||
!!!! I know Bradenton!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: C.C.A.
|
||
Subject: Real dips
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 23:11:49
|
||
Message Number 4499
|
||
|
||
Just curious...
|
||
Is it some kind of odd nature of yours to be more of a religious
|
||
fanatic (yoiu haven't spoke of much else since getting on here) in
|
||
writing than in person??
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: C.C.A.
|
||
Subject: Real dips
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 23:13:35
|
||
Message Number 4500
|
||
|
||
> you are just letting Satan control of your life.
|
||
|
||
WOAH! Hey, I am in a "Non-Worship" state of mind and I believe /I/ am
|
||
controlling my life. I don't feel a compelling urge to do bad. As a
|
||
matter of fact, I have an extreme "good" complex. If I do bad, I feel
|
||
guilty enough that I could die...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Real beanheads
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 23:23:47
|
||
Message Number 4501
|
||
|
||
>...you [C.C.A.] just stated the central dogma of Islam[.]
|
||
|
||
Oh, great. Now we should find out if he's a Sunni or a Shi'ite.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Something else
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 23:27:37
|
||
Message Number 4502
|
||
|
||
I almost had a heart attack reading that.
|
||
|
||
Oh, by the way, did you know you violated one of the basic rules of
|
||
outlining?? Yes, that one that says "Any heading with a subheading
|
||
should have two subheadings." In other words for every "a" there should
|
||
be a "b".
|
||
|
||
PS the heart attack was from laughing, not anything you might have
|
||
otherwise been thinking.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Con't
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 23:30:59
|
||
Message Number 4503
|
||
|
||
More good stuff!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Something else
|
||
Date & Time: 05/11/90 23:41:03
|
||
Message Number 4504
|
||
|
||
Ken Ober said that he pulled up and saw you at the McDonalds. At first
|
||
he didn't recognize your voice over the speaker. I don't know how that
|
||
could happen, anyway, it sounded like an interesting experience. I think
|
||
it would make a great trip for some of us someday... right up to the
|
||
take-out window to see a Turtle at work.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CRYSTAL
|
||
To: ALL
|
||
Subject: Board
|
||
Date & Time: 05/12/90 00:58:05
|
||
Message Number 4505
|
||
|
||
I don't know how it happened, somtehing is not right in aLTER
|
||
rEALITY. Turtle is out of town till Sunday. So their is nothing I can
|
||
do about the messages. I will do what I can to keep the board up and
|
||
running. Your junior sysop want to be.
|
||
* CRYSTAL *
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JACK BURTON
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: A LONG LINE
|
||
Date & Time: 05/12/90 01:36:00
|
||
Message Number 4506
|
||
|
||
If you don't have a VGA you can always read The Blind Watchmaker by
|
||
Richard Dawkins but one has to wonder if you'll be able to check it out
|
||
of any public library.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JACK BURTON
|
||
To: YNGLING
|
||
Subject: History
|
||
Date & Time: 05/12/90 01:39:06
|
||
Message Number 4507
|
||
|
||
I was under the impression it was more of a miletary action, hopeing
|
||
to cause wide-spread disruption in the South.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CORWYN OF AMBER
|
||
To: ALL
|
||
Subject: last visitor
|
||
Date & Time: 05/12/90 08:04:01
|
||
Message Number 4508
|
||
|
||
Last Visitor => s attempting to
|
||
|
||
Hmm wonder what was going on here?
|
||
|
||
- Corwyn
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: C.C.A.
|
||
To: CORWYN OF AMBER
|
||
Subject: Real dips
|
||
Date & Time: 05/12/90 10:01:49
|
||
Message Number 4509
|
||
|
||
Aren't you going to be suprised when you go to hell with him who you
|
||
serve.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: C.C.A.
|
||
To: CORWYN OF AMBER
|
||
Subject: Real dips
|
||
Date & Time: 05/12/90 10:05:22
|
||
Message Number 4510
|
||
|
||
I'm NOT miserable, but I do see the problems around me.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: C.C.A.
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Real Far Out
|
||
Date & Time: 05/12/90 10:08:16
|
||
Message Number 4511
|
||
|
||
Apparently, you did not read the message I was responding to. Try again
|
||
after you've read it.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAURON
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: They hate...
|
||
Date & Time: 05/12/90 18:16:50
|
||
Message Number 4512
|
||
|
||
Mohammadism (they hate it when you call it that) is even worse than
|
||
Christianity, in that they OPENLY advocate wiping out non-beleivers.
|
||
|
||
...But hey - after all, they're only sand-niggers.
|
||
Donthen went crazy when I used that term on his Board...what about you
|
||
Turtle?
|
||
{ Andrew Dice Clay-my newest hero}
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAURON
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Something else
|
||
Date & Time: 05/12/90 18:21:27
|
||
Message Number 4513
|
||
|
||
(Shudder) It's "Hamburger Hell".
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAURON
|
||
To: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
Subject: What I'm doing.
|
||
Date & Time: 05/12/90 18:23:54
|
||
Message Number 4514
|
||
|
||
If you get off practising evangeslism, which is exactly what you're
|
||
doing...albeit surreptisiously. that's your concern. As an agnostic,
|
||
I'll object my ass off. Okay?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAURON
|
||
To: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
Subject: They hate...
|
||
Date & Time: 05/12/90 18:27:08
|
||
Message Number 4515
|
||
|
||
To answer your question without doing seventeen paragraphs; How many
|
||
sins have the Polynesians commited?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAURON
|
||
To: DONTHEN
|
||
Subject: 286: Stone Age
|
||
Date & Time: 05/12/90 18:32:56
|
||
Message Number 4516
|
||
|
||
Whatever you say, Watts. "Come to peace"? Doesn't sound like it.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAURON
|
||
To: KEN OBER
|
||
Subject: You Dweeb...
|
||
Date & Time: 05/12/90 18:37:20
|
||
Message Number 4517
|
||
|
||
I'm gonna let that pass, because I probably over-reacted to your
|
||
last message.
|
||
Sometimes I see challenges when there are none there.
|
||
|
||
Say it once more though, and there'll be no mistake.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: SAURON
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: menus
|
||
Date & Time: 05/12/90 18:41:17
|
||
Message Number 4518
|
||
|
||
So what do you do when you're on the other end, ordering a meal?
|
||
Say to the peon - "Repeat your entire bill of fare to me orally."?
|
||
|
||
(Is this a non-sequitur?)
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: DELPHI
|
||
Subject: godtalk
|
||
Date & Time: 05/12/90 18:56:09
|
||
Message Number 4519
|
||
|
||
Sorry - some "research is bound to be in error. The Hebrews relation-
|
||
ship with Yahweh goes back to a time which is concurrent with Baal
|
||
worship - I have heard the old argument about how the Jews gained their
|
||
"theory" of monotheism from the Eygyptians and reject it on historical
|
||
basis. Many of the kings et al mentioned in the early Hebrew texts
|
||
have been verified by many many discoveries in ancient Babylon, Sumeria
|
||
and point to the early accounts as fact.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: DONTHEN
|
||
Subject: ack!
|
||
Date & Time: 05/12/90 19:02:10
|
||
Message Number 4520
|
||
|
||
Well that explains why my Bill cat ascii signout got all screwed up.
|
||
Not only ack! but phhht! too!!!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: RUFUS
|
||
Subject: Deal
|
||
Date & Time: 05/12/90 19:04:00
|
||
Message Number 4521
|
||
|
||
Checkmate made some really neat video stuff for the Apple's. By the way
|
||
I was clearing out some of my stuff and came up with a box full of
|
||
old NIBBLE, MICRO etc magazines plus some books on graphics etc for the
|
||
Apple. I really hate to get rid of 'em but --- first come first served.
|
||
Anyone interested leave mail and I will figure who to get to first.
|
||
Turtle - I dug out the s-100 boards, an SBC-880 mothrboard, a 256k ram
|
||
board, an s-100 motherboard and a clock calendar. Anyone interested
|
||
real cheap!
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Mania
|
||
Date & Time: 05/12/90 19:09:31
|
||
Message Number 4522
|
||
|
||
Well - in the middle ages and inquisition and all those other interestin
|
||
"christian" times you have to understand that the entire concept of
|
||
christianity and the church was contained in a power mad structure
|
||
known to the world as the "holy catholic church". Some mighty fine
|
||
reading is to be had on the power struggles and political wars within
|
||
that establishment, I would just like to point out that they (the PEOPLE
|
||
in charge tried to monoploize this structure by making it illegal under
|
||
punishment of death to have or read a Bible. This is because if
|
||
the common man knew the truth the system could never stand. Witness the
|
||
reforms and new stance of the "new" catholic church since MArtin Luther
|
||
and the other martyrs dragged the truth out of the papacy and into the
|
||
light.
|
||
To my mind it is a testement to the Word of God that people can still
|
||
find meaning and belief even though it has been perverted, twisted and
|
||
bent for the benefit of a few.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: godtalk
|
||
Date & Time: 05/12/90 19:18:44
|
||
Message Number 4523
|
||
|
||
Actually the concept of polytheistic and monotheistic is a bad topic.
|
||
In most "polytheistic" religions there is still a head mutha whats in
|
||
charge (Zeus, Odin, Yahweh) and in our own "mono"theistic religion we
|
||
teach of a triune godhead and an abundance of supernatural creatures
|
||
(cherubim, seraphim, angels). I am unaware of any desert religions
|
||
other than Judaism and Islam (which are the SAME God and derive from
|
||
the same roots so I will count as one) that teach montheism. I have a
|
||
nagging thought about Australia but --- clue me in.
|
||
It is indeed a strain to incorporate almost anything of paganism
|
||
into Judaism. I will not count the fact that many Christian and Jewish
|
||
festivals etc fall on traditional pagan holidays - that was simply good
|
||
PR and people management for the early Christians that brought their
|
||
religion to Europe and the British Isles.
|
||
|
||
A non-simplistic JonBoy
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: IBMs
|
||
Date & Time: 05/12/90 19:27:57
|
||
Message Number 4524
|
||
|
||
I work with 'em alot and agree. I have incredible problems doing the
|
||
simplest I/O and it is a nightmare designing an interface card because
|
||
of the mentioned hacks, cracks and bad decisions that are inherent to
|
||
the PC family of computers. My biggest question is:
|
||
What in the /hell/ is it doing /after/ it has identified the machine
|
||
configuration that takes it so long before it can boot the OS. And
|
||
don't tell me "memory management". I must admit though - there is a
|
||
lot of software - and some of it good for the computers. The user
|
||
interface on most of the new stuff is light years better than the old
|
||
stuff (like Lotus menues - yeccchhhhh!). The best user interfaces are
|
||
on the graphics stuff.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
Subject: godtalk
|
||
Date & Time: 05/12/90 19:35:16
|
||
Message Number 4525
|
||
|
||
One could propose that merely "being" a rock or crystal enables it to
|
||
"participate" in the ecosphere and thus "lives". However this type
|
||
of argument is platonic and deals with his "forms" and my head hurts!
|
||
I will bow out after loading Delphi's gun....
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
Subject: Real solutions
|
||
Date & Time: 05/12/90 19:39:53
|
||
Message Number 4526
|
||
|
||
I /said/ my head hurtz! <whimper> Ok ok - lemmee think I know that I
|
||
have covered this one in the past ....... oh yeah! Now it also mentons
|
||
the sons of god. And when Cain was driven away he took wives. Now
|
||
where did they come from? I have heard arguments (but alas, have NOT
|
||
followed them up) that MAN was created as stated. ADAM was the special
|
||
case (a proto-Hebrew?) and it all fits (maybe - fingers crossed).
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
Subject: Mania
|
||
Date & Time: 05/12/90 19:43:41
|
||
Message Number 4527
|
||
|
||
Oh nonononononononononononononononononononononononnonononon NO!
|
||
Only the power of the Holy Spirit can convict or convert. T'is merely
|
||
our job to BE Christians and be vessels of the Holy Spirit.
|
||
I got into a really weird conversation with a non-believer and a bottle
|
||
of Tequila or something got involved. He was trying to explain how
|
||
strange some of the Christian terminology sounds. He likened something
|
||
like I just said to the scene in "Wrath of Kahn" where the bug was
|
||
put in Chekov's ear. It was probably the funniest conversation I ever
|
||
had as the person was not vicious - he simply put it forth as he
|
||
perceived it.
|
||
I get a real hoot out of the "soul saver" brigades. They are going
|
||
out and "win souls for Christ". I love them for their zealousness
|
||
but they /are/ mistaken if they think they can "save" anyone.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: JONBOY
|
||
To: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
Subject: Mania
|
||
Date & Time: 05/12/90 19:51:19
|
||
Message Number 4528
|
||
|
||
Most variations of that stuff involves a small sneaky nonsequitur
|
||
hiding in the cracks.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: BEATLE
|
||
To: ALL
|
||
Subject: protocensorship
|
||
Date & Time: 05/12/90 21:25:20
|
||
Message Number 4529
|
||
|
||
If anyone is quite interested, someone over at NBC made a quite odd
|
||
decision to let Andrew Dice Clay host "Saturday Night Live". It beats me
|
||
why they think he can last 1 1/2 hours on network TV. He couldn' even
|
||
last 1 1/2 minutes on MTV... so, this will be quite an odd thing to see.
|
||
Anyway, the title of my message refers to my prediciment. My parents
|
||
seem to think I shouldn't watch. I don't agree. That's censorship.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CORWYN OF AMBER
|
||
To: C.C.A.
|
||
Subject: Real dips
|
||
Date & Time: 05/13/90 04:53:06
|
||
Message Number 4530
|
||
|
||
Nope.. have you been having bad dreams lately.. sounds like a horror
|
||
movie, not real life. Wake up dude, you're living in a fantasy land.
|
||
I don't serve anybody, I don't believe in hell any more than Peter Pan,
|
||
do you believe in Peter Pan, you seem pretty gullible about everything
|
||
religous. Just watch out for Captain Hook, he'll get you if you
|
||
believe in tinkerbell.
|
||
|
||
Call me back when you start using your brain.. not spouting dogma.
|
||
|
||
|
||
- Corwyn
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CORWYN OF AMBER
|
||
To: C.C.A.
|
||
Subject: Real dips
|
||
Date & Time: 05/13/90 05:00:14
|
||
Message Number 4531
|
||
|
||
I see problems.. I think a lot of bad things happen in this world,
|
||
but I'd never say "This miserable world we live in" as you did. I have
|
||
faith in myself, and believe that I can always make my life better than
|
||
death, I'm not in a hurry to get out of here. Sure, we're on a planet in
|
||
the middle of nowhere, but have you seen an intergalactic taxi lately,
|
||
make the best of it.. stretch your mind bud, think!
|
||
|
||
- Corwyn
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CORWYN OF AMBER
|
||
To: SAURON
|
||
Subject: What I'm doing.
|
||
Date & Time: 05/13/90 05:05:36
|
||
Message Number 4532
|
||
|
||
We're not practicing evangelism.. I happen to be mostly agnostic, partly
|
||
athiest, we're talking about religion, not encouraging people to
|
||
practice it.
|
||
|
||
- Corwyn
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: CORWYN OF AMBER
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: IBMs
|
||
Date & Time: 05/13/90 05:14:25
|
||
Message Number 4533
|
||
|
||
Boot times depend upon the machine, The ultralight will boot from it's
|
||
RAM disk in about two seconds apparently. My Northgate does a page full
|
||
of diagnostics (never had them report anything usefull) and then starts
|
||
doing drive checks, In my case, most of my boot time is my drive
|
||
controller checking drives.
|
||
|
||
- Corwyn
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: DELPHI
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: godtalk
|
||
Date & Time: 05/13/90 12:57:15
|
||
Message Number 4534
|
||
|
||
The fact Baal worship -- which followed goddess the original goddess
|
||
worship, before he was a god or her consort or even existed -- existed
|
||
concurrently with the development of Hebrew religion does not negate
|
||
anything I've said. The scholars I read point out that Judiasm was
|
||
perhaps the first attempt to destory the peaceful "milk and honey"
|
||
existence of the matriarchy that took the form of a new religion. The
|
||
purpose of this religion, this power-over rather that power-from-
|
||
within, was for males to take dominance in the world, the birth of
|
||
patriarchal power structure. It was only by co-opting the goddess
|
||
worshiping religions, those that honored each individual and each
|
||
living (or inanimate) part of the universe, that they could get
|
||
people to give up their ties to goddess worship.
|
||
This is not to say Judiaism was the only attempt. It was the most
|
||
successful, leading also to Christianity and the worship of a man
|
||
as god, which again was acceptable only when Mary was incorporated
|
||
as a goddess-style figure.
|
||
I realize these premises aren't easily accepted if you've always heard
|
||
something else, but there are tremendous discoveries being made in
|
||
these areas. When patriarchy wants to hold back information or
|
||
alter the truth, it does a forceful job. Only when we refuse to
|
||
accept patriarchal concepts as truth or the only reality do we open
|
||
our eyes enough to see myriads of possibilities.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: DM2
|
||
Subject: hehehe
|
||
Date & Time: 05/13/90 18:35:24
|
||
Message Number 4535
|
||
|
||
What, me sadistic? Naah...I'm an angel! O:) Honest...would an angel
|
||
try to kid you?
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: DELPHI
|
||
Subject: IBMs
|
||
Date & Time: 05/13/90 18:46:25
|
||
Message Number 4536
|
||
|
||
If your primary concern is the ability to exchange information with
|
||
IBM machines, you'd be better off buying a null modem cable (about
|
||
ten dollars) and using your terminal program to zap stuff across at
|
||
19,200 baud. It would probably be difficult to justify spending a
|
||
fairly large amount of money for a not-terribly-good computer if
|
||
all you're looking for is the capability to get files onto IBM disks,
|
||
especially if the hardware and software you already have is perfectly
|
||
servicable.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: CORWYN OF AMBER
|
||
Subject: New new subject
|
||
Date & Time: 05/13/90 18:50:57
|
||
Message Number 4537
|
||
|
||
Your comment about point-and-shoot file transfers/listings/whatever
|
||
from a BBS ("...you can only do it if you have ANSI") isn't really
|
||
true. RAS Z-nodes are capable of doing point-and-shoot operations
|
||
on any terminal or computer that isn't a glass TTY by using remote
|
||
TCAPS that are essentially nothing more than descriptors of the
|
||
necessary control sequences to move the cursor, clear the screen, or
|
||
whatever on the target terminal. When you log into the RAS, you run
|
||
a program called TCSELECT that lists all the various terminals it knows
|
||
and lets you pick one; if you don't see one you like, you use another
|
||
program to tell the host computer what sorts of codes you want sent.
|
||
It wouldn't be all that difficult to implement a similar scheme in
|
||
the IBM world, by installing the termcap with a DEVICE specification
|
||
if you want to set up your BBS as an RCP/M. If you don't need the
|
||
ability to shell to DOS from the remote end and don't mind staying
|
||
within the BBS program itself, implementation would become trivial.
|
||
--An RAS Turtle
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: BEATLE
|
||
Subject: Something else
|
||
Date & Time: 05/13/90 19:00:06
|
||
Message Number 4538
|
||
|
||
>...did you know you violated one of the basic rules of outlining??
|
||
|
||
Yes.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: CORWYN OF AMBER
|
||
Subject: last visitor
|
||
Date & Time: 05/13/90 19:03:31
|
||
Message Number 4539
|
||
|
||
Last Visitor => s attempting to
|
||
|
||
Yes, folks, there is a problem here. The problem is a few spurious
|
||
embedded codes in one of Delphi's message that cause the cursor here
|
||
at this end to go zipping up to the top of the screen (yes, everything
|
||
you people see on your ends, I also see here) and continue printing
|
||
whatever it was printing when it hit the spurious watchamacallits.
|
||
Anyway, well, the top of the screen is in more normal circumstances
|
||
reserved for the status line, and the board keeps all sorts of neet
|
||
information there, and, well, I'm sure you can piece the rest
|
||
together...
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: C.C.A.
|
||
Subject: Waaaay far out
|
||
Date & Time: 05/13/90 19:07:25
|
||
Message Number 4540
|
||
|
||
Sorry, guy, but I read all the messages in this thread, and
|
||
your incoherent statements are still incoherent. I don't see your
|
||
connection between people killing children and people believing they
|
||
will live forever; perhaps it's just me. Can you try explaining it
|
||
again, please? Humor me, I'm slow sometimes.
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: SAURON
|
||
Subject: They hate...
|
||
Date & Time: 05/13/90 19:10:14
|
||
Message Number 4541
|
||
|
||
Interesting thing about Islam...the Koran specifically (and in no
|
||
uncertain terms) states that (1) "people of the Book" (ie, Jews and
|
||
Christians) have their own path to god and are not to be molested; and
|
||
(2) conversion by force is wrong. Most good Muslims, of course, realize
|
||
that these particular passages must have been written in error and seem
|
||
more than eager to rectify the mix-up.
|
||
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: SAURON
|
||
Subject: menus
|
||
Date & Time: 05/13/90 19:13:31
|
||
Message Number 4542
|
||
|
||
>So what do you do when you're on the other end, ordering a meal?
|
||
|
||
I generally harrass the individual taking my order as much as is humanly
|
||
possible. In fact, I think I can say that I have raised the practice
|
||
of harrassing fast-food employees to a high art. For people with a
|
||
sense of humor, this is not a problem; in fact, for some of 'em I'd
|
||
suspect it's the high point of their day. For those without one: Well,
|
||
anyone without a sense of humor deserves no better.
|
||
|
||
>(Was that a non-sequitur?)
|
||
|
||
Well, now that you mention it... (grin)
|
||
--A harrasshole Turtle
|
||
===========
|
||
|
||
From: TURTLE
|
||
To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: Deal
|
||
Date & Time: 05/13/90 19:18:52
|
||
Message Number 4543
|
||
|
||
Actually, I'd probably be interested in all the S-100 hardware--what
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are you asking for the lot? Also, what (if anything) does it have in the
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way of technical specs, software, or other neat stuff like that?
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From: TURTLE
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To: JONBOY
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Subject: Mania
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Date & Time: 05/13/90 19:21:05
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Message Number 4544
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I dunno...people still find meaning and belief in Dianetics, and it
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/started out/ perverted, twisted, and bent for the benefit of a few...
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--A skeptical (and perverted, twisted, and bent) Turtle
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From: TURTLE
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To: JONBOY
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Subject: More godtalk
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Date & Time: 05/13/90 19:26:43
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Message Number 4545
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In my present state of mind (exhausted and suffering from convention
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burnout) it's likely to be difficult to discuss monotheistic
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and polytheistic traditions coherently, so I won't. Perhaps
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after I've slept for a few days...
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From: TURTLE
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To: JONBOY
|
||
Subject: IBMs
|
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Date & Time: 05/13/90 19:30:06
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Message Number 4546
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||
For some obscure reason that's totally transparant to me, a
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number of PC-family computers seem to feel it's necessary to do
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an exhaustive memory test (walking bit left, walking bit right,
|
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bit interleave, etc, etc, etc, etc) every time they're turned on.
|
||
Mind you, it isn't any more reliable than a simple write-read-
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invert-write-read test, but at least it (a) makes the boot ROMS
|
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longer; (b) takes forever; (c) effectively tests every memory
|
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address about a dozen or so times; and (d) is inherently silly
|
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since most RAM errors are thermal-intermittant and aren't going to
|
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show up when you first turn the *expletive* thing on. IBM: When we
|
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kill something, it *stays* dead (tm).
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From: TURTLE
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To: BEATLE
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Subject: protocensorship
|
||
Date & Time: 05/13/90 19:37:02
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Message Number 4547
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Censorship is the act of preventing someone from /saying/ something,
|
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not the act of preventing a person from /hearing/ it. If the network
|
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weren't carrying the show, then it would be censorship. Mind you, I
|
||
don't subscribe to the philosophy that says parents have the right to
|
||
control absolutely and arbitrarily everything thier children are exposed
|
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to, but it's important to get terminology straight.
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|
||
|
||
From: KEN OBER
|
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To: CHIP P. UNICORN
|
||
Subject: hhmmm...
|
||
Date & Time: 05/13/90 21:32:09
|
||
Message Number 4548
|
||
|
||
You possible yonnedted right after someone hung up and you caught the
|
||
tail-end of the reset sequence....
|
||
|
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-Ken Ober-
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|
||
|
||
From: YNGLING
|
||
To: C.C.A.
|
||
Subject: Gimme that....
|
||
Date & Time: 05/13/90 21:54:10
|
||
Message Number 4549
|
||
|
||
C.C.A.-
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||
To be honest, I find the fact that someone who recquires a crutch as
|
||
enormous as yours to make it through the day and to justify his actions
|
||
calling MY life a "crock of shit" to be absurd at best.
|
||
The Yngling
|
||
P.S. Ive been in a few jails and none of them were bad enough to make
|
||
me worship the only forgotten Son. Maybe you should have chosen
|
||
jail.....
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||
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|
||
|
||
From: YNGLING
|
||
To: C.C.A.
|
||
Subject: Real dips
|
||
Date & Time: 05/13/90 21:59:53
|
||
Message Number 4550
|
||
|
||
So on the 6th day ghod created mindless beings which were mentally
|
||
without form or void? Jeez, whatever happenned to the Christian
|
||
concept of free will....I have two choices - abject slavery or eternal
|
||
damnation? Hmmmm...what to choose? What to choose?
|
||
The Yngling
|
||
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|
||
|
||
From: YNGLING
|
||
To: TURTLE
|
||
Subject: Arrghhh
|
||
Date & Time: 05/13/90 22:09:20
|
||
Message Number 4551
|
||
|
||
Turtle,
|
||
I never thought Id say this, but, this latest message chain with
|
||
Mr/Miss C.C.A. re: religion has made me long for those wonderful
|
||
discussions about abortion we were having a while back.
|
||
Can anyone, other than Chip, discuss the pro-Christianity side
|
||
without falling back on the pablum-dogma crap they were spoon-fed as
|
||
children in Sunday school?
|
||
The Yngling (who has apparently been serving
|
||
Satan for many moons without being aware of it -
|
||
damn, I hate it when that happens!)
|
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