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92539 7-MAY 15:25 General Information
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RE: Fest (Re: Msg 92538)
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From: CARL_D To: 01GEN40
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Whoops Lv 2. actually. I've seen Lv 3. or at least most of it up and running
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at the last cocofest. Needs a little work but I think it will be available as
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a set of patches.
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92540 7-MAY 16:06 General Information
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RE: Fest (Re: Msg 92539)
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From: MITHELEN To: CARL_D
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Actually, it is Level 2, Version 3.0... The "Mythical" Upgrade... Level 3
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OS-9 was something done in Japan (from my understanding) and supported
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virtual memory (using disk space as additional RAM). I've never seen
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it, just heard rumors of it. I don't think anyone in the US has a copy of
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it... I believe it ran on a 6809 system by Fuji...
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Paul
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92545 8-MAY 00:17 General Information
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RE: Fest (Re: Msg 92540)
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From: CARL_D To: MITHELEN
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Ahh... well I'm sure you know better than I. I'm still an OS-9 neophyte trying
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to get Multi-vue running the way I want.
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92579 14-MAY 11:40 General Information
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RE: Fest (Re: Msg 92539)
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From: 01GEN40 To: CARL_D
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I would guess, that to get a true "Level 3", that these patches
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would have to be done to the "out-of-box" OS-9 Level 2. I have
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done quite a lot of patching to get "MY" OS-9 to where it is to-
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day.
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After having a bad hard drive crash some months ago, I had to
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rebuild my whole boot. The only backup I had was that of my
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floppy boot days and it had very few patches done. I now have a
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backup boot, on floppy, that is identical to the boot on
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this hard drive, with a few exceptions such as drivers and dis-
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criptors. I still have some tweeking to do such as when I am
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online, I am getting lost characters again and I get "garbage"
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characters now and then when text is being displayed. I thought
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I had the right comm driver and discriptors, or maybe it was some-
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thing else that I did to fix this. I have to make the time to
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research my steps and fix it. I suppose I could sacrifice watch-
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ing Star Trek, but I do not like that idea so...
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Thanks for the reply... See ya among the stars....
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LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!
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Peace and Long Life...
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Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)
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-= GEN =-
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92590 14-MAY 22:29 General Information
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RE: Fest (Re: Msg 92579)
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From: DBREEDING To: 01GEN40
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> The only backup I had was that of my
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> floppy boot days and it had very few patches done. I now have a
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> backup boot, on floppy, that is identical to the boot on
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> this hard drive,
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I kept a CONFIG_DIR on my hard drive that contained a complete MODULES
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dir and all the good stuff, along with a few bootlists for different
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applications. In addition to this, I kept a backup of this on a floppy
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disk. That way, I could always os9gen a new boot disk..
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Umm, from your message, it appears you boot from the HD.. but my method
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should work, too..
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
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92658 21-MAY 12:21 General Information
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RE: Fest (Re: Msg 92590)
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From: 01GEN40 To: DBREEDING
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Hi Dave,
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Yes, I do boot from my HD. I hate waiting an hour (exageration) for
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the CoCo to boot from floppy. I do have a floppy that I keep custom
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modules on but for some reason I never thought to save ALL of my mod-
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fied modules as well. I did have a backup boot for my HD, on floppy
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but I found that I could not boot from it, reason unknown. I do have
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a bootable backup of my current HD now, as a matter of fact, I boot
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from it when I tried to get this RLL HD setup. I am going to use the
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RLL HD as an MFM and will keep a bootable floppy copy as well. I am
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going to save my modified modules to directory on it as well, maybe
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even on a seperate floppy. There IS something to be said for redun-
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dancy, I guess!
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Thanks for the reply... See ya among the stars...
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LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!
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Peace and Long Life...
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Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)
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92668 21-MAY 15:07 General Information
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RE: Fest (Re: Msg 92658)
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From: DBREEDING To: 01GEN40 (NR)
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> Yes, I do boot from my HD. I hate waiting an hour (exageration) for
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> the CoCo to boot from floppy. I do have a floppy that I keep custom
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> modules on but for some reason I never thought to save ALL of my mod-
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> fied modules as well. I did have a backup boot for my HD, on
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> floppy
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> but I found that I could not boot from it, reason unknown.
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I'd guess that you would have to have 2 seperate versions of the stuff that
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goes on track 34 to get the different boots.. That's one reason I never
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attempted to get a HD boot going. Ummm.. when you say boot, you have your
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OS9Boot on HD, too? I did modify my stuff to look on the HD for the startup,
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grfint, shell, etc.
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> I do have
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> a bootable backup of my current HD now, as a matter of fact, I boot
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> from it when I tried to get this RLL HD setup. I am going to use the
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> RLL HD as an MFM and will keep a bootable floppy copy as well. I am
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> going to save my modified modules to directory on it as well, maybe
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> even on a seperate floppy. There IS something to be said for redun-
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> dancy, I guess!
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Well, for the way my system (and probably everyone else's) is patched, I'd
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hate to have to go back and recreate all the patches. I don't think anyone
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could get _too_ redundant on making backups of your config disk <G>
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One other thing I did was that I kept a text file (UpDateLog or something)
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that listed all the CRC's approximate insallation date, and short description
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for each file (patched ones, at least) in my modules dir..
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Then, too, I had PowerBoost, so I kept a 6809 Modules directory and a PBoost
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modules directory... and the list goes on <hehe>
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
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92541 7-MAY 19:40 OSK Applications
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Linkup
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From: MRGOOD To: BOISY
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Boisy,
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Just wanted to send some kudos your way for Linkup. It has become
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a very nice program. The only other thing I would add is the ability to
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attach sounds to buttons. That way, I could use the "click" sound file!
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Hugo
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92542 7-MAY 19:46 OSK Applications
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RE: Linkup (Re: Msg 92541)
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From: RICKLT To: BOISY
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I wanted to also add my thanks. Rick
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92544 7-MAY 23:41 OSK Applications
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RE: Linkup (Re: Msg 92541)
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From: JOHNBAER To: MRGOOD
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Hugo, Boisy,
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> The only other thing I would add is the ability to attach sounds
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> to buttons. That way, I could use the "click" sound file!
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Neat idea! And Boisy, did any of the sound files I sent to you
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work out? I know some were `off the wall'. :)
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John -
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End of Thread.
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92543 7-MAY 23:37 General Information
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RE: os-9 HALP!!! (Re: Msg 92533)
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From: DBREEDING To: CARL_D
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> Not so atuomatically at all. MV want's unmodified disks to install on. I
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> edited the bootlist.mv files for 40d.dd but when I try to use os9gen I
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> get error #21
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I don't think I had any problems like this when I installed it. MV simply
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does system read and write calls and wouldn't have any problem with what
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kind of drive you are using.. You can go to floppies, HD's or ramdisk,
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or whatever.
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Just went to my coco and checked for error 21.. It says "Illegal Dimension".
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This looks like a Basic09 error..
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Is this error coming in when you try to run "os9gen"? Ummm... did you also
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change your "/dd" descriptor? It accesses "/dd", so this could be your
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problem.
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> Not sure just what I'm doing wrong. Thanks in advance for any help.
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Well, I'm sure you will get it worked out, but the problem is not in
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M-V itself. It's probably some little thing that is so simple you're
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overlooking it. Be sure your /dd is fixed, too. This is a very good
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possibility, although, you should have gotten a different error.
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
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92546 8-MAY 00:20 General Information
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RE: os-9 HALP!!! (Re: Msg 92543)
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From: CARL_D To: DBREEDING
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That should have been #216, Delphi hiccuped right then and I didn't realize
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that it had dropped the last digit. Still haven't got it going on 40d.dd is it
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possible to start MV from the OS-9 command line rather than booting driectly
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from the MV disks? This would really solve my problems easily.
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92549 8-MAY 21:07 General Information
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RE: os-9 HALP!!! (Re: Msg 92546)
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From: DBREEDING To: CARL_D
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> That should have been #216, Delphi hiccuped right then and I didn't
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> realize that it had dropped the last digit.
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OK.. That sounds more like it.. Then it's looking for a file and not
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finding it. Is it showing this error on bootup? Before you see any
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OS9 command line or anything? Usually, if startup errors, it just quietly
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goes to the command line and says nothing, but whatever was supposed to
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have happened after that error does not happen.
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Error 216 means that it's looking for a file (program) that is not there.
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You _DO_ have startup, on that disk?? For MultiVue, you need several files
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and programs. In your CMDS dir, you need "MULTISTART", "GSHELL", and
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"CONTROL". Also, if you have a copy of "MULTISTart" in the cmds dir,
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with the filename "AUTOEX", then it will autoboot into M-V on startup.
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Otherwise, you can include the command "multistart" as the last line of
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startup. If you don't have "autoex" in your cmds dir and want it, all you
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have to do is chd to cmds and type "copy multistart autoex". This will give
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you an exact copy of "multistart" but will execute as soon as "startup" is
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done.
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One other file you need, and I would bet this is the one that is causing the
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error... You need the file "env.file" in your SYS directory.
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> Still haven't got it going on 40d.dd is it
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> possible to start MV from the OS-9 command line rather than booting
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> driectly from the MV disks? This would really solve my problems easily.
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Sure. Just type "multistart".. But I don't think this is the cause of your
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problem.. You have one or more files missing.
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If you don't have the file env.file in your SYS directory (it is on the
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distribution disk), if you have the docs, there is a listing for that file
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in there. You can input it with any text editor. You might want to change
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a few things. It specifies how much memory you have, what disk devices you
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have, custom palette colors, printer specs, and several other things.
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
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92550 8-MAY 22:02 General Information
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RE: os-9 HALP!!! (Re: Msg 92549)
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From: CARL_D To: DBREEDING
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Thanks David.
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Yes I have the docs for MV, original and unopened in the shrink wrap yet. The
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problem comes in when I try to create a new boot disk from the MV disks.
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It puts the first file name on the screen and then errors with #216. The
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second file in bootlist.mv is init, I checked and it's in there. Oh and
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I did change the env.file to 512K.
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92552 9-MAY 01:15 General Information
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RE: os-9 HALP!!! (Re: Msg 92550)
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From: DBREEDING To: CARL_D
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> Yes I have the docs for MV, original and unopened in the shrink wrap yet.
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> The problem comes in when I try to create a new boot disk from the MV
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> disks. It puts the first file name on the screen and then errors with
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> #216.
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Do you mean you get this error when running "os9gen"? Are you doing this
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straight with os9gen or are you using "config" (or whatever that name is...).
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I never did use it. I always used os9gen. If you are getting this error
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using os9gen, then you probably have one of your filenames not correct for
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what you have in your directory.
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> The second file in bootlist.mv is init, I checked and it's in there.
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Is it init that it's not finding? Do you have it with a different filename
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and in the correct directory? Remember that os9gen is looking for a filename,
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not necessarily a module name. What I did was put all my boot modules in
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one MODULES directory. Like, when I got MV, I copied all those modules to
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the directory with the rest of the modules.
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One thing you might do. If os9gen is bombing on you.. You should have
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a file on your new disk, probably "tmpboot". Do an "ident -s" on that
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file and see exactly what modules have been included. You mention filenames
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being echoed to the screen. I can't remember this, but maybe so.. Oh, if
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it puts one filename on the screen, then this first one may be the one
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that it can't find.. and I suspect it _is_ this first one... check your
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filenames. Your ident will tell you. Whatever the next filename after
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the last one is the culprit.
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
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92556 9-MAY 12:35 General Information
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RE: os-9 HALP!!! (Re: Msg 92552)
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From: CARL_D To: DBREEDING
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I'll try that and let you know, thanks.
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End of Thread.
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92547 8-MAY 00:31 General Information
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RE: RLL HD Troubles. (Re: Msg 92537)
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From: WDTV5 To: 01GEN40
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An RLL as an MFM? ubetcha! I'm doing exactly that at the office right
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now, useing a clapped out St-238r as an ST-225. The only diff there in
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fact was that the 238 had plated disks which were supposedly better
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quality. In use, they aren't, I have 2 of them around and they both
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couldn't keep a fat table intact for a month on a million dollar bet!
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One was in a pc, and one was on my coco for several years. I'm usning
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the old pc drive as the second drive on my office coco, and alltho its
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mainly for a backup image, so far in a month it hasn't lost anything
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as an MFM drive. Its got some bad sectors marked out, something the
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pc utils wouldn't let me do, but the coco can! If you can get the 85 megger,
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that would be ideal. I've collected nearly everything around here, plus
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I try to maintain all versions of whatever I've written and still have
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only about 60 megs of this Maxtor 7120s in use. If I lose this drive,
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I'm dead as there isn't a good way to back it up that doesn't take 2
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days to do. I'd love to be able to just network it overe to the amiga
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where I could back it off to a videotape in 2 hours or less.
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I've given thought to attempting that on the coco, but its screen updates
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are 50x slower. And no real way to get the data back into it at that
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speed either.
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Something will turn up in due time though.
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Cheers Gene, Gene
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92580 14-MAY 11:58 General Information
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RE: RLL HD Troubles. (Re: Msg 92547)
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From: 01GEN40 To: WDTV5
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Hello Gene,
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Well, I think the 85 Megger is no longer available. The 386
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was not up to snuff for use as a server so the boss opted for a
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dedicated server and the 386 will be used as one of the worksta-
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tions. I guess I will try to use this RLL as an MFM and see where
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that will lead me. It is quite a shame that an IDE cannot be
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interfaced with the CoCo. Although, I just had another thought,
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maybe I should look into going SCSI. That is a doer! Problem
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is I would hate to just "throw away" my XT interface with all the
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$$$, time and sweat I put into it for the past few years. Then
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again, I could spend some more $$$ and get this ST-238 fixed. The
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darned thing will not hold is speed. Spindle comes up then just
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stops spinning. I really like the ST-238, much faster than this
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clunky old ST-225. Quieter too! Oh well, I am getting closer to
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having my 486 up and running. I could just use it, online, in the
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interum. Thanks for the reply... See ya among the stars...
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LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!
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Peace and Long Life...
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Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)
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92587 14-MAY 20:54 General Information
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RE: RLL HD Troubles. (Re: Msg 92580)
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From: WDTV5 To: 01GEN40
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Tell ya what Gene, the 238 and 225 are identical drives EXCEPT for the
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platter coating! The 238 will run as mfm just fine, I'm doing it. I converted
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to scsi a year back or a bit more now on my coco, and it was the best thing I
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ever did for it. The RLL setup was always in need of file repairs due to
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miss-writes covering up already allocated disk area. That was due to some
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thing in the interface that would, about once a day, return a sector full
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of zero's when the FAT was being read in its search for free disk space.
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I changed the controller card from a WD1002-27x to a Seagate St-11r with only
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minimal effect on the problem. ALL of the problems went away when I changed
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over to a SuperController II with a 4n1. The B&B I had/have was an earlier
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all black one which may have had something to do with it. I have a later
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Gold colored one at the office merrily running a 10 meg Tandon and a 238 as
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a 20 megger in the mfm mode. No mistakes of that nature have ever been made
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on THAT system by that setup. It has the MFM version of the ST-11 controller
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in it.
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If that older B&B was a problem, I would have expected Chris to advise me
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of it, but in all our talks, he never said it could be a problem. I was
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probably one of the first 10 or so he sold!
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Me, I'd go for the scsi myself. On that system (I'm on the amiga at the
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moment) I now get a megaread time of 13 seconds! The B&B started out at
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71 seconds, and with some fine tuning got down to 49 seconds, but even with
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the early pbooster or nitros9, never went any lower. The speed I got from
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the scsi using the registerd scsisys2.1 makes all the $ well spent IMO.
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Cheers Gene, Gene
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92657 21-MAY 12:06 General Information
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RE: RLL HD Troubles. (Re: Msg 92587)
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From: 01GEN40 To: WDTV5
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|
|
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Hello Gene,
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Thanks for the info. I have allocated time this afternoon to set
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the 238 up as an MFM. I may seriously think about SCSI! Our dedi-
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cated server (new 486) at work has a SCSI drive in it and I am really
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impressed with the speed. You may find this hard to believe, I do,
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but the server is a DX/33Mhz and it seems to be faster than the
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486DX2/66Mhz that I am using right now.
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Right now, all we have is an old 386DX/25Mhz networked to the
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server and it seems to access much faster than it did when networked
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to my DX2/66. But then, we were running Novel Personal Netware, now
|
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we have Netware 3.1, (a real network software). I will keep you
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posted as to my progress with the 238, thanks for your insight.
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|
Thanks for the reply... See ya among the stars...
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|
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LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!
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Peace and Long Life...
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Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)
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-= GEN =-
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92660 21-MAY 13:10 General Information
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RE: RLL HD Troubles. (Re: Msg 92657)
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From: WDTV5 To: 01GEN40
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It should oughta work just fine. If it doesn't, I'll be *very* surprised.
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Cheers Gene, Gene
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End of Thread.
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92548 8-MAY 04:22 General Information
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RE: mpi 26-3124 (Re: Msg 92343)
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From: TFLATLEY To: TAULBORG
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Steve,
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Were you able to purchase the upgraded multipak that someone offered,
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or do you still need to upgrade the one that you have? If the latter,
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what sort of help do you seek... how-to instuctions, hardware, both?
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Please let me know and perhaps I can offer some assistance. ---tom
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92567 13-MAY 00:17 General Information
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RE: mpi 26-3124 (Re: Msg 92548)
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From: TAULBORG To: TFLATLEY
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I have a friend here in the area that is planning to upgrade my other
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multipak for me,he is making the upgrade himself but please keep in
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touch be cause if we can't do it here I will send it to Marty.
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He has done work for me before and even helped me the price.
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If you have an upgraded multipak for sale or any info on upgrade
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kits please let me know.
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Thanks,Steven P Taulborg
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92568 13-MAY 01:30 General Information
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RE: mpi 26-3124 (Re: Msg 92567)
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From: NIMITZ To: TAULBORG
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|
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I have an upgraded Multipak in stock. Bought on request of another CoCo
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owner who now no longer lives at the previous contact address. Please
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EMail me if you are interested in this.
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92600 16-MAY 00:11 General Information
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RE: mpi 26-3124 (Re: Msg 92568)
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From: TAULBORG To: NIMITZ
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|
|
|
How much including shipping for the upgraded multipak?
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92610 17-MAY 01:20 General Information
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RE: mpi 26-3124 (Re: Msg 92600)
|
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From: NIMITZ To: TAULBORG
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I'd like $65 + $5 S/H.
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92621 17-MAY 23:30 General Information
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RE: mpi 26-3124 (Re: Msg 92610)
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From: TAULBORG To: NIMITZ
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Sorry but for me right now that is a little steep.Thanks anyway!!
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-*-
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End of Thread.
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92551 9-MAY 00:05 General Information
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linkup
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From: WA2EGP To: ALL
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|
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I've heard some cheers for uplink but I can't seem to get it running on my
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MM/1. Once I click the mouse on the OK, the arrow disappears and a second
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or so later, the machine reboots. I am using windio #54. What simple thing
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did I forget? Help is appreciated.
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92557 9-MAY 20:49 General Information
|
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RE: linkup (Re: Msg 92551)
|
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From: JOHNBAER To: WA2EGP
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|
|
> I am using windio #54. What simple thing did I forget?
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Did you make a directory on /dd called `samples' (just in case) ?
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|
That's the only thing I can think of at the moment...
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I just put all exec. files in cmds, made the /dd/samples directory
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and put the sound files there. The first time I called it, I used
|
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the redirection thing.. `linkup <>>>/w&' and I was sitting at /dd
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also. Other than that, I don't know :(
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John -
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92558 9-MAY 20:56 General Information
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RE: linkup (Re: Msg 92557)
|
|
From: WA2EGP To: JOHNBAER
|
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|
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I'll check. Geez...been a week since I played with it so I don't remember.
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Thanks for the help.
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|
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92572 13-MAY 23:23 General Information
|
|
RE: linkup (Re: Msg 92551)
|
|
From: BOISY To: WA2EGP
|
|
|
|
Hey Robert,
|
|
|
|
Are you running with WCF? Do a dump of your /term and /w descriptors
|
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to see if you are using WCF as the file manager.
|
|
|
|
I'm puzzled by this, as I cannot find anyone else with a 68070
|
|
who's using LInkUp and encountering this problem.
|
|
|
|
Why don't you send me a mdir -u of your system.
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|
|
|
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|
92601 16-MAY 00:33 General Information
|
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RE: linkup (Re: Msg 92572)
|
|
From: WA2EGP To: BOISY
|
|
|
|
OK, Will send in email.
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|
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-*-
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|
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|
End of Thread.
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|
92553 9-MAY 09:16 General Information
|
|
Visability
|
|
From: TMF To: ALL
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|
|
|
I full agree that we need to be seen more on Delphi and on Compuserve .
|
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-*-
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|
92560 9-MAY 21:27 General Information
|
|
RE: Visability (Re: Msg 92553)
|
|
From: THETAURUS To: TMF
|
|
|
|
We need to be seen whereve
|
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er' wherever we can flash our mugs<G>.
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|
|
|
Course it gets me down to always see OS-9 on Milk Cartons....
|
|
|
|
>Chris<
|
|
OS-9 User's Group Project Co-ordinater
|
|
|
|
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|
|
|
|
92581 14-MAY 12:16 General Information
|
|
RE: Visability (Re: Msg 92560)
|
|
From: 01GEN40 To: THETAURUS
|
|
|
|
Hi Chris,
|
|
|
|
<OS-9 on Milk Cartons....>
|
|
|
|
Are you trying to tell us that OS-9 is a missing and/or exploited
|
|
child?
|
|
|
|
LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!
|
|
|
|
Peace and Long Life...
|
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|
|
Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)
|
|
|
|
-= GEN =-
|
|
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|
-*-
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|
|
|
92582 14-MAY 13:31 General Information
|
|
RE: Visability (Re: Msg 92581)
|
|
From: THETAURUS To: 01GEN40
|
|
|
|
>> Are you trying to tell us that OS-9 is a missing and/or exploited child?
|
|
|
|
O mI mean to say that I hope we don't get so low in promotion abilities that
|
|
we have to put OS-9 on a carton, sayin "Have you seen me?" <G>
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|
|
|
>Chris<
|
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-*-
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|
|
|
92656 21-MAY 11:48 General Information
|
|
RE: Visability (Re: Msg 92582)
|
|
From: 01GEN40 To: THETAURUS
|
|
|
|
Hi Chris,
|
|
I do not know about the rest of the country, or world for that mat-
|
|
ter, but, here in San Diego, Ca. there is a yearly Computer/Software
|
|
Expo that is put on by the S.D. Computer Society and a leading compu-
|
|
ter magazine publishing company. They have exhibit booths with MAJOR
|
|
computer/software/etc. companies displaying their wares. Our own
|
|
OS-9 Users Group has a booth set up to display/demonstrate all flavors
|
|
of OS-9.
|
|
I went to the one last year and saw that there were quite a number
|
|
of people observing and or asking questions about OS-9. This goes on
|
|
for 4 days, at least it will this year. I only went last year because
|
|
I found out that OS-9 was going to be there. I am not very active in
|
|
the group (what with time constraints and whatnot), but I will be
|
|
there again this year as a "spectator".
|
|
I think this would be an excellent way to get OS-9 into the minds
|
|
of the masses. If they can see what OS-9 can do, right along side of
|
|
MS-DOS, I think they may become more interested. At least those who
|
|
do not rely on WINDOSE to do there work for them.
|
|
Thanks for the reply... See ya among the stars...
|
|
|
|
LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!
|
|
|
|
Peace and Long Life...
|
|
|
|
Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)
|
|
|
|
-= GEN =-
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|
|
|
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|
|
|
|
92674 21-MAY 22:22 General Information
|
|
RE: Visability (Re: Msg 92656)
|
|
From: THETAURUS To: 01GEN40 (NR)
|
|
|
|
Agreed. Hopefully we will be able to get OS-9 represented in many more
|
|
future computer shows(besides JUST the Cocofests). We need to get a
|
|
list of annual shows compiled(part of the sourcebook), and then maybe
|
|
develope some sort of promotional compaign that can be in use at the fests.
|
|
I agree, it is a great way to get our foot in the door, and would love to
|
|
see someone take that up!
|
|
|
|
Chris Perrault
|
|
|
|
OS-9 Users' Group
|
|
Sourcebook Coordinator
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
92677 22-MAY 00:56 General Information
|
|
RE: Visability (Re: Msg 92656)
|
|
From: NIMITZ To: 01GEN40 (NR)
|
|
|
|
True story, as far as it goes. But sales are still made at OS-9 only fests,
|
|
not mixed fests. Advance marketing, as full a vendor attendence as
|
|
possible, and no outside competetion are going to be key factors in building
|
|
the sales from the existing market, in order to have the revenue to grab
|
|
attention of people outside the current OS-9 users base. We have to work at
|
|
both, and I see lots of attention to getting new users, but little work to
|
|
lay the financial groundwork necessary to pay for the marketing work.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|
|
|
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|
|
|
|
92554 9-MAY 09:45 Users Group
|
|
RE: 6309 cpu (Re: Msg 92530)
|
|
From: JEJONES To: WILLIAMSON68
|
|
|
|
> Does anyone know if the hd63c09e is compatible with nitros or will nitros
|
|
> run only with the 6309b variety?
|
|
|
|
The letter A, B, C indicates the maximum clock speed the chip is rated for.
|
|
C = 3 MHz, so it should run just fine with the (slightly under) 2 MHz clock
|
|
that the CoCo feeds the CPU.
|
|
|
|
Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
92555 9-MAY 09:45 Programmers Den
|
|
CDL BASIC question
|
|
From: JEJONES To: FHOGG
|
|
|
|
How would one write the following in CDL BASIC?
|
|
|
|
PROCEDURE fibonacci
|
|
PARAM i,term:INTEGER
|
|
DIM penult,antepenult:INTEGER
|
|
|
|
IF i < 3 THEN
|
|
result:=1
|
|
ELSE
|
|
RUN fibonacci(i-1,penult)
|
|
RUN fibonacci(i-2,antenpenult)
|
|
result:=penult+antepenult
|
|
ENDIF
|
|
END
|
|
|
|
|
|
Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
|
|
|
|
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|
|
|
|
92561 10-MAY 08:49 Programmers Den
|
|
RE: CDL BASIC question (Re: Msg 92555)
|
|
From: JEJONES To: JEJONES
|
|
|
|
Duh..."term" should of course be "result". Just goes to show that testing
|
|
is important. :-)
|
|
|
|
Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
92593 14-MAY 23:09 Programmers Den
|
|
RE: CDL BASIC question (Re: Msg 92561)
|
|
From: FHOGG To: JEJONES
|
|
|
|
>How would one write the following in CDL BASIC?
|
|
|
|
Well perhaps I'm not with the program as it were but I can't get this to run
|
|
under
|
|
68K Basic. I passed this on to Mike and he is not sure what you are looking
|
|
for. Could you enlarge on this.
|
|
|
|
Frank
|
|
|
|
-*-
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|
|
|
92612 17-MAY 07:42 Programmers Den
|
|
RE: CDL BASIC question (Re: Msg 92593)
|
|
From: JEJONES To: FHOGG
|
|
|
|
> Well perhaps I'm not with the program as it were but I can't get this to
|
|
> run under
|
|
> 68K Basic. I passed this on to Mike and he is not sure what you are
|
|
> looking for. Could you enlarge on this.
|
|
|
|
Basically, I'm asking whether CDL BASIC functions can be recursive.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
92626 18-MAY 01:04 Programmers Den
|
|
RE: CDL BASIC question (Re: Msg 92612)
|
|
From: NIMITZ To: JEJONES
|
|
|
|
James, the functions should certainly be recursive.
|
|
|
|
give me an example in Basic09 and I'll translate and run it for you.
|
|
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|
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|
|
-*-
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|
|
92639 20-MAY 10:43 Programmers Den
|
|
RE: CDL BASIC question (Re: Msg 92626)
|
|
From: JEJONES To: NIMITZ
|
|
|
|
> give me an example in Basic09 and I'll translate and run it for you.
|
|
|
|
The Fibonacci sequence procedure in my message to FHOGG (with the correction
|
|
in the reply <blush>) should do fine.
|
|
|
|
Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|
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|
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|
|
92559 9-MAY 21:26 OSK Applications
|
|
VCDP
|
|
From: VAXELF To: ALL
|
|
|
|
What is the correct VCDP file to use with the double speed CDROM that
|
|
was sold at Chicago Fest??? I have tried each one and they all lock up
|
|
my MM/1. The CDROM is working great. I can access CDROMS just fine and the
|
|
data on them. It's when I try and use a music CD and VCDP that it goes
|
|
bonkers.
|
|
|
|
John D.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
92566 12-MAY 23:48 OSK Applications
|
|
RE: VCDP (Re: Msg 92559)
|
|
From: TEDJAEGER To: VAXELF
|
|
|
|
> What is the correct VCDP file to use with the double speed CDROM that
|
|
> was sold at Chicago Fest??? I have tried each one and they all lock up
|
|
> my MM/1. The CDROM is working great. I can access CDROMS just fine and
|
|
> the data on them. It's when I try and use a music CD and VCDP that it
|
|
> goes bonkers.
|
|
|
|
I've been here before! My VCDP has a CRC of $AE0F14. BUT, the problem I
|
|
had was that my MM1 I/O board had an early Western Digital SCSI chip,
|
|
not revision A, and I had to change my chip before I could use VCDP. You
|
|
must have revision A of that SCSI chip for VCDP to work.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Bests
|
|
---TedJaeger
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
92570 13-MAY 18:00 OSK Applications
|
|
RE: VCDP (Re: Msg 92566)
|
|
From: WDTV5 To: TEDJAEGER
|
|
|
|
Sounds about right, we have had a heck of a time with earlier WD33C93's
|
|
over on the Amiga's. I think you want to locate a revison 8 chip. Check
|
|
out the adds in any amiga rag.
|
|
Cheers, Gene
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
92571 13-MAY 21:33 OSK Applications
|
|
RE: VCDP (Re: Msg 92566)
|
|
From: VAXELF To: TEDJAEGER
|
|
|
|
Chris from Hawksoft also mentioned that. Also you need ED #27 of
|
|
SCSI_M1D too. Since mine is a Paul Ward system, I suppect it may well be
|
|
the chip. Thanks for the reply.
|
|
|
|
John D.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
92573 13-MAY 23:43 OSK Applications
|
|
RE: VCDP (Re: Msg 92571)
|
|
From: RANDYKWILSON To: VAXELF
|
|
|
|
John,
|
|
|
|
My MM/1 is very early production PKW; number 27 I believe. It has the correct
|
|
chip in it. I suspect it is only the first 10 or so units, or maybe some
|
|
later ones.
|
|
|
|
Randy
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
92577 14-MAY 10:55 OSK Applications
|
|
RE: VCDP (Re: Msg 92571)
|
|
From: TEDJAEGER To: VAXELF
|
|
|
|
> Chris from Hawksoft also mentioned that. Also you need ED #27 of
|
|
> SCSI_M1D too. Since mine is a Paul Ward system, I suppect it may well be
|
|
> the chip. Thanks for the reply.
|
|
|
|
I forgot to say that not only the revision of the chip (need revision A)
|
|
but also the mask number is critical. Apparently the MM1 was designed
|
|
around mask #2 or mask #4 of the prototypes of that Western Digital
|
|
SCSI chip. In the Amiga World they refer to these as PROTO versions of
|
|
the chip because PROTO is printed on it. So having the right chip to
|
|
work with VCDP requires the WD33c93 revision A, mask #2 or mask #4,
|
|
with PROTO also printed on the chip. My machine was a Paul Ward MM1
|
|
to and the SCSI chip was not revision A and therefore minus a few
|
|
instructions that VCDP needs.
|
|
|
|
Bests
|
|
---TedJaeger
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
92578 14-MAY 10:55 OSK Applications
|
|
RE: VCDP (Re: Msg 92573)
|
|
From: TEDJAEGER To: RANDYKWILSON
|
|
|
|
> My MM/1 is very early production PKW; number 27 I believe. It has the
|
|
> correct
|
|
> chip in it. I suspect it is only the first 10 or so units, or maybe some
|
|
> later ones.
|
|
|
|
Randy,
|
|
Where does one look to find the production number of their MM1?
|
|
I happen to have one that was originally won in a raffle by a lady (from
|
|
Tennesee I think) at a CocoFest in Atlanta when the MM1 was first introduced.
|
|
David Myers (CoCoPro fame) later bought the machine from her and I bought it
|
|
from David. Later I bought the I/O board from someone named Colin in Oklahoma
|
|
who had bought an early Paul Ward MM1. This assortment of circuity has
|
|
worked perfectly for years now with the exception of my needing to replace
|
|
that WD33c93 (no revision A) chip. I guess I'd just like to know something
|
|
more about the historical lineage of these pieces!
|
|
|
|
Bests
|
|
---TedJaeger
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
92583 14-MAY 15:36 OSK Applications
|
|
RE: VCDP (Re: Msg 92573)
|
|
From: VAXELF To: RANDYKWILSON
|
|
|
|
Mine is SN 120877, so it might have the right chip. I still need to take
|
|
the top off and look. If it is the right chip, then all I need is to replace
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my SCSI_MM1D ED #25 with ED #27.
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Thanks for the info. BTW RIBBS_OSK is doing real well. Contact Warren and
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he has his up and running each night from 5 to 9 PM PDT. I can provide you
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with a BETA disk. We are on the verge of having real FIDO net mail. When
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we do and is reliable, then Warren plans to switch to RIBBS_OSK. It is
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running with LOCK baud support. Bill Chapple figured out how to use the
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DTR line on the uarts to hang up the bbs. A bunch of people got copies at
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Chicago Fest. We had two MM/1's running, with one with RIBBS_OSK at 38400
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baud locked and the other running KTerm V3.0. Real impressive. Warren and
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I have been looking at interfacing RIBBS_OSK and UUCP for Internet Access.
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It works until you logoff UUCP, then it locks up. Calvin Dodge thinks the
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problem is in "checkcd". He has done a fantastic job with the assembly code.
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Ribbs_OSK is real stable. Under normal operating, it has yet to bomb with
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a 103 or 102 error. If it does error, it has always recycled. TTY,ANSI, &
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OS9 modes are working great.
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If you get a chance call Warren's BBS durning the evening and see the
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fruits of all our labors.
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John D.
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92584 14-MAY 15:39 OSK Applications
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RE: VCDP (Re: Msg 92577)
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From: VAXELF To: TEDJAEGER
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Randy K. Wilson, who also has a PKW MM/1, thinks it maybe only the
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earlier versions of the MM/1. His has the correct chip.
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John D.
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92585 14-MAY 17:43 OSK Applications
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RE: VCDP (Re: Msg 92577)
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From: VAXELF To: TEDJAEGER
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I just checked my SCSI chip. Looks like I am in luck and only need to
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upgrade my SCDI_MM1d to ED 27. here is what I got off my chip
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WD33C93A-PL
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00 - 04 PL
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PROTO
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John D.
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92586 14-MAY 19:24 OSK Applications
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RE: VCDP (Re: Msg 92578)
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From: RANDYKWILSON To: TEDJAEGER
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I'm not sure about the prototypes. The first batch of production boards
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had serial numbers of 1208xx. Mine is 27. I ordered mine at the cocofest
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that that raffle/drawing took place. Deliver happened.... ummm... a bit
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later. My two boards have matched numbers, but it appears yours won't.
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Non-matching numbers will cost you points in the next concourse. :>
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Randy
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92596 15-MAY 02:09 OSK Applications
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RE: VCDP (Re: Msg 92570)
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From: NIMITZ To: WDTV5
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Does this mean you might know of a source for earlier 33c93 chips?
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I could use some to fix about 20 MM/1 I/O boards.......
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David
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92597 15-MAY 21:23 OSK Applications
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RE: VCDP (Re: Msg 92585)
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From: TEDJAEGER To: VAXELF
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> I just checked my SCSI chip. Looks like I am in luck and only need to
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> upgrade my SCDI_MM1d to ED 27. here is what I got off my chip
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>
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> WD33C93A-PL
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>
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> 00 - 04 PL
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> PROTO
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You're in perfect working order!! I must have been the only lucky soul
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to obtain a WD33c93 chip!
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Bests
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---TedJaeger
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92598 15-MAY 22:32 OSK Applications
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RE: VCDP (Re: Msg 92596)
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From: WDTV5 To: NIMITZ
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Not in that quantity I'm afraid. In this case, I think I'd be tempted to
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contact the author of the driver and see if he could bring it up to later
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standards. Or share the source with someone who really does breath the
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scsi1 and scsi2 language. The earier chip did have some bugs, in fact
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the inside front cover of the AA I got today has an add for (an ex GVP empl)
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latest revision of the scsi.device rom with workaraounds for all known
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variations of that chip. So it can be done. I wish I had better advice
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David. Can you spec the exact version you need to the wholesalers and
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convince them that later versions just won't fly in this app? There might
|
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be a few laying around, and its one of those projects that will blow the
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fone budget all to he!!. I know, I've done that a couple of times finding
|
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the exact item I needed there at the station. I've got one chip I think,
|
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lemme check it. Its on an A2090a commie hd board I took out. The scsi on
|
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this board is considered unusable by most, but thats more the rom version
|
|
than the chip I think, it didn't support any "scsi direct" commands, an
|
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item that MUST be fully implemented if a cdrom is ever going to work.
|
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The chip on this board is: WD33C93-PL on the second line, has an "85 date
|
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on the top line with line 3=00-02 8736
|
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This one shared space with a KONAN MFM controller and was supposed to be
|
|
able to handle 2 MFM drives and 5 scsi drives. As I said, few ever made the
|
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scsi work, and the commie folks themselves say even the latest rom they
|
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have for it isn't worth the effort to plug in. But you are welcome to it
|
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if you can use that revision. This one doesn't say "PROTO" anywhere on it.
|
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Cheers David, Gene
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92609 17-MAY 01:20 OSK Applications
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RE: VCDP (Re: Msg 92598)
|
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From: NIMITZ To: WDTV5
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Gene, I'd appreciate it if I can get a copy of that article, as it may have
|
|
some direct bearing on my problem. We switched from 40 pin DIP package to
|
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PLCC in the new I/O boards. This may be a big help. BTW - my own chip does
|
|
not say proto, but does note the mask number. I might well be able to use
|
|
that chip. How much do you want??
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|
92618 17-MAY 22:40 OSK Applications
|
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RE: VCDP (Re: Msg 92596)
|
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From: TEDJAEGER To: NIMITZ
|
|
|
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> Does this mean you might know of a source for earlier 33c93 chips?
|
|
>
|
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> I could use some to fix about 20 MM/1 I/O boards.......
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David,
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|
|
When I went looking for a replacement chip for my WD33c93 chip I
|
|
posted on USENET to Amiga groups and got 6 offers of people willing to
|
|
sale me the needed WD33c93A mask #2 or mask #4. They had upgraded SCSI
|
|
controllers (to deal with larger capacity HDs in some cases) and were
|
|
happy to unload the PROTO chips for around $10-15. I installed a
|
|
socket and things work fine.
|
|
|
|
Bests
|
|
---TedJaeger
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92619 17-MAY 22:41 OSK Applications
|
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RE: VCDP (Re: Msg 92609)
|
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From: WDTV5 To: NIMITZ
|
|
|
|
Unforch, those quotes (or unquotes) are from hints and tips passed on
|
|
over in the Ami forum and usenet over the last year. The general consensus
|
|
seems to be that the only clean chip in the lot has a -08 on the end, but
|
|
that it may in turn require later versions of "scsi.device", the driver
|
|
software thats normally part of the card/eprom for the scsi interface.
|
|
As I said, mine is early, 40 pinner, and between it and the early eproms,
|
|
it is crash city if you try to run a cdrom with it, and normally locks
|
|
up the buss requireing a reboot hourly or more often. The lockups can
|
|
happen in mid-write, leaving the drive invalidated, a major headache to
|
|
clear at times. We've even had to format and start all over! Price?
|
|
Make me an offer in my mailbox here. Cheers david, gene
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92627 18-MAY 01:04 OSK Applications
|
|
RE: VCDP (Re: Msg 92618)
|
|
From: NIMITZ To: TEDJAEGER
|
|
|
|
Thanks, Ted. I'll try that!
|
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92641 20-MAY 19:16 OSK Applications
|
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RE: VCDP (Re: Msg 92627)
|
|
From: TEDJAEGER To: NIMITZ
|
|
|
|
> Thanks, Ted. I'll try that!
|
|
|
|
David,
|
|
Miraculously, I still have the email communications from a couple
|
|
of people who offered to sell me their WD33c93A SCSI chips. Try
|
|
|
|
1. IN%"maji@u.washington.edu"
|
|
2. IN%"tibor.ecst.csuchico.edu"
|
|
|
|
Both responded to my message on comp.sys.amiga.marketplace offering the
|
|
chip.
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|
|
|
Bests
|
|
---TedJaeger
|
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End of Thread.
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|
92562 10-MAY 19:35 General Information
|
|
68020 - 16 $10
|
|
From: MARTYGOODMAN To: ALL
|
|
|
|
I have a Motorola pin grid array packaged 68020 - 16 CPU chip
|
|
that I removed from what I believe was a working card.
|
|
At least, the memory I removed from the same card all tested fine.
|
|
I'll happily sell it for $10, shipping included, and if you decide
|
|
for any reason you don't want it in the first week after
|
|
getting it I'll refund half your purchase price upon return of
|
|
the chip. But I'm pretty sure this is a good chip. ---marty
|
|
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|
92563 10-MAY 21:50 Users Group
|
|
Users' Group Sourcebook Project
|
|
From: THETAURUS To: ALL
|
|
|
|
The OS-9 User's Group Sourcebook
|
|
|
|
This posting is an overview of the latest OS-9 User's Group
|
|
project. For any updates on this project please refer to the 'The
|
|
OS-9 User's Group' MOTD newsletter, where all official information
|
|
regarding the project will be published as an ongoing series of
|
|
articles. If you are not an OS-9 User's Group member please
|
|
contact the UG at one of the addresses below for more information
|
|
on becoming a member.
|
|
|
|
'The OS-9 User's Group' Sourcebook is a project within the UG,
|
|
set up to build and maintain a group of databases containing
|
|
information important within the OS-9 community. The purpose of
|
|
this project is to help keep a centralized source of information
|
|
for people from many ends of the OS-9 world, while preventing
|
|
fragmetation of the this ever changing community. As the
|
|
information is gathered and the sourcebook begins to grow, we, the
|
|
User's Group, will be able to use it as our information foundation
|
|
and as a springboard for launching future projects more quickly,
|
|
as less time will have to be spent gathering information related
|
|
what we will be working with. As a sidenote, I am already planning
|
|
future UG projects that will rely on this very sourcebook.
|
|
|
|
Technically, this will not be a hardcopy 'book', as the title
|
|
might have you believe, although any queries coming in from US
|
|
Mail(snail mail) will be answered with the resulting data being
|
|
mailed on paper of course.
|
|
|
|
As this will be a permanent, ongoing project we expect that more
|
|
topics will be added in the future, as we get feedback from the
|
|
membership, but these are categories that will be collected first
|
|
to get the sourcebook started:
|
|
|
|
USERLIST: This will contain names of individuals like you and
|
|
me who use OS-9 for any purpose. A form will be added in the
|
|
following post for users to fill out and return at the appropriate
|
|
address(below). Whether you use it at home or at work or wherever,
|
|
we want your name added to this list so we can keep EVERYONE in
|
|
touch. It is especially important that we get the names of people
|
|
who don't have the benefit of a modem or an Online service. If you
|
|
know someone in your area who fits this criteria, please let them
|
|
know what is going on, and have them send the information
|
|
requested in the form!
|
|
|
|
Local Clubs and User Groups: Small regional clubs in the OS-9
|
|
world sometimes go on unheard of even by people IN THEIR AREA, let
|
|
alone in the national online scene. If you are a member of such a
|
|
group please fill out the form that will be posted in the near
|
|
future(all forms will also be in the MOTD for people to mail in
|
|
through US Mail). It is the intent of the UG to help keep members
|
|
and clubs plugged in to eachother and avoid dwindling membership.
|
|
A future project will tackle this issue.
|
|
|
|
Bulletin Board Services,Online services, and Internet sites:
|
|
Well these will actually be three seperate databases, but you
|
|
probably already get the idea on these. It will be similar to many
|
|
other independently kept BBSlists, but will be kept more up to
|
|
date and will serve as the official OS-9 BBS database.
|
|
|
|
Publications: All OS-9 related Magazines and newsletters.
|
|
|
|
Vendors: If you run a business selling OS-9 Products or
|
|
services, we will be able find customers for you and you for the
|
|
customers that are looking!
|
|
|
|
Business' working with OS-9: If you are a business that uses
|
|
OS-9 within the workplace, including those in our large industrial
|
|
marketplace, we will have an entry form released for you also!
|
|
|
|
These are the categories that we will begin with. Keep in mind
|
|
this sourcebook is going to grow with time and input from the OS-9
|
|
community. Once the initial categories are built up, we do plan to
|
|
add an 'Orphanware' topic, but that will be saved for later,due to
|
|
the amount of work it may take to collect all that software.
|
|
|
|
You do NOT have to be a member of 'The OS-9 User's Group' to be
|
|
placed in the the sourcebook, but you are of course encouraged to
|
|
become a member and become involved in the future of OS-9. Being
|
|
included in the sourcebook does NOT oblige you to do anything as
|
|
it is a service to the community.
|
|
|
|
The entry forms for each category will be individually posted
|
|
online within a short time of eachother. 'The OS-9 User's Group'
|
|
will print each one following the MOTD updates. The first one, to
|
|
be included in the following post, will be the Userlist entry
|
|
form. The next one to appear within a few weeks will be the BBS
|
|
entry form, which Sysops should be aware of.
|
|
|
|
If you have any comments, questions, suggestions, or if you want
|
|
membership information you can contact 'The OS-9 User's Group' at
|
|
the following online addresses:
|
|
|
|
os9ug@sandv.chi.il.us [Internet]
|
|
cmckay@northx.isis.org(Colin McKay President) [Internet]
|
|
|
|
|
|
Or at the following U.S. Mail address:
|
|
|
|
The OS-9 User's Group, Inc.
|
|
6158 West 63rd Street
|
|
Suite 109
|
|
Chicago, Il. 60638
|
|
U.S.A
|
|
|
|
To be added to the Sourcebook, send your entry form information
|
|
to the Email addresses below. If you wish to send via U.S. Mail,
|
|
use the address above. Also feel free to send any
|
|
questions,comments, or suggestions to these addresses.
|
|
|
|
Thetaurus@Delphi.Com [Internet]
|
|
Chris Perrault at 1:324/117 [Fido Net Address]
|
|
Chris.Perrault%Mvug@e-tech.havr.ma.us
|
|
|
|
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|
|
|
|
92564 10-MAY 21:53 Users Group
|
|
RE: Users' Group Sourcebook Project (Re: Msg 92563)
|
|
From: THETAURUS To: THETAURUS
|
|
|
|
OS-9 Sourcebook Information Form
|
|
--------------------------------
|
|
Name:
|
|
---------------------------------------------------------------
|
|
Business:
|
|
-----------------------------------------------------------
|
|
Address:
|
|
------------------------------------------------------------
|
|
City: State: ZIP:
|
|
---------------- --------------- --------------------
|
|
Country: Telephone:( ) -
|
|
---------------- ---------------------------------
|
|
EMail Address:
|
|
-----------------------------------------------------
|
|
|
|
|
|
Signature: Date: / /
|
|
------------------------------------ DD MM YY
|
|
|
|
Would you like information on
|
|
joining the OS-9 Users Group? o Already a Member! o Yes o No
|
|
|
|
Can this information be passed to OS-9 vendors? o Yes o No
|
|
|
|
Are you available to act as a volunteer for OS-9 o Yes o No
|
|
projects from time to time? This isn't a commitment.
|
|
|
|
Please indicate your area(s) of interest:
|
|
|
|
o OS-9/6809 o OS-9/68000 o OS-9000
|
|
|
|
o Programming o Hardware Other ________________________
|
|
|
|
You use OS-9 primarily for what purpose:
|
|
|
|
o personal use o industrial system o both
|
|
|
|
Please describe briefly your OS-9 computer system(s):
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Please describe briefly your computer and OS-9 experience:
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Please describe your OS-9 interests (things you would like to see the
|
|
UG do, or see in the MOTD), or list any other questions or comments:
|
|
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|
|
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End of Thread.
|
|
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|
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|
|
|
|
92565 11-MAY 23:01 General Information
|
|
hi
|
|
From: VESTALJ To: ALL
|
|
|
|
This is Jim Vestal (formally jevestal).
|
|
|
|
I just wanted to let everyone know that I'm giving up Delphi for a while
|
|
in favor of a local internet account.
|
|
|
|
Do not email this account past the 1st of June and my old account is gone.
|
|
You can contact me via email at jevestal@calweb.com
|
|
|
|
I do read comp.os.os9 once in a while and the CoColist regually so I am
|
|
at least keeping in touch.
|
|
|
|
Later,
|
|
|
|
Jim
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|
|
|
-*-
|
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|
|
92574 14-MAY 10:24 General Information
|
|
RE: Atari OS-9 (Re: Msg 92494)
|
|
From: DSRTFOX To: CARL_D
|
|
|
|
On 27-APR 16:40 CARL_D said to DBREEDING
|
|
> Someone else mentioned that. I had no idea it was so expensive, kind
|
|
>of obviates the cheapness of the system.
|
|
|
|
Atari OS-9 is only $200-$250. Still available from Cumana.. actual cost is
|
|
150 pounds sterling...
|
|
|
|
|
|
Francis (Frank) Swygert
|
|
Publisher, "the world of 68' micros" Magazine
|
|
|
|
`[1;30;42mRainbow V 1.11 for Delphi - Registered
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
92575 14-MAY 10:24 General Information
|
|
RE: OS-9/68K (Re: Msg 92493)
|
|
From: DSRTFOX To: DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
On 27-APR 01:21 DBREEDING said to CARL_D
|
|
> > Actually you can probably find a used Atari ST pretty cheap
|
|
> > these days. I believe this 68K machine has a version of OS-9
|
|
> > for it. Could be wrong tho'
|
|
> The only problem with the Atari is that OS9 is ridiculously
|
|
>expensive. I think it's around $600? Didn't look, but I think that's
|
|
>right. You can almost get a terminal system complete with OS9 and all
|
|
>for that price.
|
|
> -- David Breeding --
|
|
> CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|
> *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
|
|
|
|
OS-9 for the ST is 150 pounds sterling from Cumana in the UK.... about
|
|
$200-$250. Little support though. Some SCSI systems for the Atari don't seem
|
|
to work well with the supplied drivers either.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Francis (Frank) Swygert
|
|
Publisher, "the world of 68' micros" Magazine
|
|
|
|
`[1;32;42mRainbow V 1.11 for Delphi - Registered
|
|
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|
-*-
|
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|
|
92589 14-MAY 22:29 General Information
|
|
RE: OS-9/68K (Re: Msg 92575)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: DSRTFOX (NR)
|
|
|
|
> On 27-APR 01:21 DBREEDING said to CARL_D
|
|
> > > Actually you can probably find a used Atari ST pretty cheap
|
|
> > > these days. I believe this 68K machine has a version of OS-9
|
|
> > > for it. Could be wrong tho'
|
|
> > The only problem with the Atari is that OS9 is ridiculously
|
|
> >expensive. I think it's around $600? Didn't look, but I think
|
|
> that's >right. You can almost get a terminal system complete with OS9 and
|
|
> all >for that price.
|
|
|
|
> OS-9 for the ST is 150 pounds sterling from Cumana in the UK.... about
|
|
> $200-$250. Little support though. Some SCSI systems for the Atari don't
|
|
> seem to work well with the supplied drivers either.
|
|
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OK, I stand corrected <G>.. Seems like there's SOME platform that OS9 costs
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that much, though, isn't there?
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Anyway, I would be a little hesitant to try to do anything serious with an
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Atari with the Cumana system.. You would probably have lots of things to work
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out, and support would be a little uncertain, IMO.
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
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End of Thread.
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92576 14-MAY 10:24 New Uploads
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CoCoFest
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From: DSRTFOX To: ALL
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We also found a loose part in the rear brakes, which put more of the
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stopping effort on the front disks (something I added to the car later...
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didn't have those in '63!), and was a definate factor in causing the front
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wheel lock-up that actually caused the accident in the first place. Had an
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uneventful trip back to Georgia from Chicago.
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I took a couple extra days off work when I got back. went down to my dad's
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house in South Carolina (4 hour trip), met with some old friends, then took
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a fender off a parts car I have there. You don't decide to drive a 30 year
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old car on a daily basis unless you know you have repair parts available!
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Replaced the damaged fender AND totally rebuilt the rear brakes just because
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I had the time and was able to get the new parts locally. Now EVERYTHING
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works just great!
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All that's left to do is get the thing painted. Unfortunately, while Chicago
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was a good trip again, it wasn't quite THAT good! So I'll be driving around
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with a faded pink-looking fender for a while. I WAS able to pay for all
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other repairs... about $250 including the brakes (biggest expense was
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radiator)... and all expenses though. Maybe Atlanta will be good enough for
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a paint job..... Of course, I'll accept all donations.... ;>
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Francis (Frank) Swygert
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Publisher, "the world of 68' micros" Magazine
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`[1;35;46mRainbow V 1.11 for Delphi - Registered
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92588 14-MAY 21:59 OSK Applications
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Ghostscript ver 3.33
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From: JOHNREED To: ALL
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Ghostscript version 3.33 should appear soon in the new uploads
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database.
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For those who are not familiar with it, Ghostscript is a
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Postscript emulator written by L.Peter Deutsch, of Aladdin.
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It allows you to display (with a proper driver) and print
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Postscript files on just about any decent printer. With
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Ghostscript and the TeX system uploaded by Tim Kientzle,
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users can produce documents using just about any font
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you can imagine, include graphics, colors if your printer
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can do it, design your own letterhead or company logo,
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print your own forms, etc.
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The following is the "readme.1st" file included in
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the upload.
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***
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Ghostscript version 3.33 was released in April 1995 by Aladdin.
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I have ported version 3.33 to OS-9/68000 on the MM/1, and put
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together a collection of the files needed to run it, with an
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assortment of fonts and demos. Except for the "kwin" Kwindows
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driver, it SHOULD run on any OSK machine.
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The complete source, and compiled binaries for MSDOS and some
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other systems can be found on ftp.cs.wisc.edu /ghost/aladdin.
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This release carries a different Copyright notice than earlier
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GNU/FSF releases. Its in the file called "public". Read it.
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Quick summary of new features since the last version I posted
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(version 2.6.1) : (for a full description of all
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changes in recent versions, see files "news", "current", and
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"history".)
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Reads Adobe PDF (Acrobat) format files.
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Reads JPEG files.
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Had a few confusing moments with the JPEG reader -- it bombed
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on the test files supplied with the JPEG-5A lib. Then I tried
|
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the "jpegshow" program recently uploaded to DELPHI -- it said
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the files I was trying to read were defective (?!!). Downloaded
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a couple other JPEG files and found both "jpegshow" and Ghostscript
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read them just fine.
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Full Postscript Level II support.
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No GIF output -- previous versions would convert a Postscript
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file to a GIF - this has been dropped by the author to avoid
|
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any possible legal difficulties due to a copyright or patent
|
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claim on the compression method used in GIF files. The
|
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author of Ghostscript, L. Peter Deutsch of Aladdin, posted
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an explanation in comp.lang.postscript.
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The Kwindows display driver in this compiled version has a slightly
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bigger display - you can read smaller fonts on the screen - and some
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improvements in speed in some of the graphics routines.
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The printer drivers now send their output to "/p" by default - use
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the "-sOUTPUTFILE=<path>" switch in the command line to change it.
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In order to keep it small enough to run on a 3-meg computer, I have
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NOT included the "debug" features and I picked an assortment of
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output drivers that I hope will cover most users. Apologies to those
|
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I left out. The output drivers included in this version are:
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kwin deskjet djet500 epson epsonc eps9mid eps9high ibmpro
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st800 ap3250 laserjet ljetplus ljet2p ljet3 ljet4 cdeskjet
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cdjcolor cdjmono cdj550 pj pjxl pjxl300 bj10e bj200
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dfaxhigh
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If you want to run Ghostscript, and your printer is not (and cannot
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emulate) one of the above, let me know. Maybe I could post some other
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versions with different drivers. (Or in individual cases -- mail a
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disk). ((johnreed@delphi.com))
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The program passed my 3-meg test (make a 6+meg ramdisk to tie up
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memory and try to run it). There was not a lot of room to spare.
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***
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Have fun.
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John Wainwright
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92592 14-MAY 22:56 OSK Applications
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RE: Ghostscript ver 3.33 (Re: Msg 92588)
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From: DBREEDING To: JOHNREED
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> Ghostscript version 3.33 should appear soon in the new uploads
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> database.
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>
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> In order to keep it small enough to run on a 3-meg computer, I have
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|
> NOT included the "debug" features and I picked an assortment of
|
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> output drivers that I hope will cover most users. Apologies to those
|
|
> I left out. The output drivers included in this version are:
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>
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> kwin deskjet djet500 epson epsonc eps9mid eps9high ibmpro
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Is one close to Epson ESC/P2? (would epsonc be it?).
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> The program passed my 3-meg test (make a 6+meg ramdisk to tie up
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> memory and try to run it). There was not a lot of room to spare.
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I have a 4 meg system, and GhostScript was the first one to get me down
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close to the ragged edge <G>
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
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92603 16-MAY 19:09 OSK Applications
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RE: Ghostscript ver 3.33 (Re: Msg 92592)
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From: JOHNREED To: DBREEDING
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RE Ghostscript 3.33 drivers for Epson ESC/P2.
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the epsonc driver is for 24-pin color printers.
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the ESC/P2 driver now defines TWO drivers, st800 and
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ap3250. They are about the same, except for the
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pre-defined margins. Use the st800 for inkjets, and
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the ap3250 for "Action Printer xxx".
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JohnW
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End of Thread.
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92591 14-MAY 22:38 System Modules (6809)
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Booting from another drive
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From: DOMM To: ALL
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I wonder if someone could tell me just what one has to do (patches...etc.),
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to be able to boot os9 from ...say...Drive 2, instead of from Drive 0?
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THANKX!
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---Dom
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92594 14-MAY 23:26 System Modules (6809)
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RE: Booting from another drive (Re: Msg 92591)
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From: RANDYKWILSON To: DOMM
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From the OS9 side, it would take modifications to Boot, CC3Go, Init, and
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possibly your StartUp. I have no idea what it would take from the DECB
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side. You'd have to get the "DOS" command code to look at the new drive.
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Randy
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92595 15-MAY 00:14 System Modules (6809)
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RE: Booting from another drive (Re: Msg 92594)
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From: DOMM To: RANDYKWILSON
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I found that if I "dir 2" in DECB with the OS9 Boot disk in drive 2, then
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wait for the File Structure error - OK -, and then DOS... I get the OS9
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Boot screen. After a short while it move to /d0.
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I just for starters Dmoded all Drive discriptors to be /d2 and then moved
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them to the front of the BootFile. I figuered it would take a few patches
|
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to Boot or Init but the next question would be what are the patches or
|
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where could I locate them?
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---Dom
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92599 15-MAY 22:53 System Modules (6809)
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RE: Booting from another drive (Re: Msg 92595)
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From: RANDYKWILSON To: DOMM
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|
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For Init and CC3go, you will just have to change all occurances of /d0 to /d2.
|
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Boot is a different animal. It directly accesses the hardware. You would
|
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have to patch the point it selects drive 0 to select the drive you want.
|
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I do not know exactly where this is, or how to do it. Sorry.
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Randy
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92602 16-MAY 00:34 System Modules (6809)
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RE: Booting from another drive (Re: Msg 92599)
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|
From: DOMM To: RANDYKWILSON
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|
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I don't have any assembly knowledge or access to a assembler/dissasembler.
|
|
As far as viewing the module(s) in a disk zapper...I haven't looked yet
|
|
but I doubt that I could do anything. I just thought that someone had
|
|
done these patches along the way and had actual patch data. While reading
|
|
the description of a file in the data base, it was mentioned that some
|
|
people patch modules to boot from hard drive. Being that a descriptor is
|
|
a descriptor, maybe the conversion would be minimal. ???
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|
Thanks anyway!
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---Dom
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92604 16-MAY 21:32 System Modules (6809)
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RE: Booting from another drive (Re: Msg 92591)
|
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From: DBREEDING To: DOMM
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|
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> I wonder if someone could tell me just what one has to do
|
|
> (patches...etc.), to be able to boot os9 from ...say...Drive 2, instead of
|
|
> from Drive 0?
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|
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|
Is there any particular reason? You would have to patch your Boot module,
|
|
but then you would be stuck. I think some of the disk roms support
|
|
something like dos 2, and I think if you issue the command drive 2, then
|
|
if you immediately type "DOS", then it will initially access that drive,
|
|
I guess it loads your kernel, but then Boot takes over and tries to read
|
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drive 0.
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Unless there were some good reason, it doesn't seem worth the effort.
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|
-- David Breeding --
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|
CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
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92606 16-MAY 22:52 System Modules (6809)
|
|
RE: Booting from another drive (Re: Msg 92604)
|
|
From: DOMM To: DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
Actually, the reason I'd be interested in doing this is because I recently
|
|
added a 3.5" disk drive to both my CoCo setups. My choice was to make it
|
|
(on both systems) Drive 2 because that way I could keep all the 5.25 boot
|
|
disks as they are rather than changing everything. With 720k, I would use
|
|
the 3.5's as storage/work disks. Now, however, if I could get an 80 track
|
|
disk to boot from Drive 2 (the 3.5), I could have a larger Boot Disk to
|
|
work with when necessary. (It's not really a necessity but just a thought.)
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|
|
|
I,ve tried doing a "Drive 2" then "DOS" . Doesn't seem to work. What does
|
|
work though, is doing a "DIR" on the os9 disk while in RSDOS. Then wait for
|
|
the File Structure error and "OK" cursor.A "DOS" after that does bring up
|
|
the boot screen (which then goes to /d0).
|
|
|
|
I've since played around with looking at the modules with kwikzap and have
|
|
been able to locate a couple of places in INIT and CC3go where I substituted
|
|
"D2" for anything resembling a drive descriptor. (h0,d0,dd)
|
|
On the Boot module, there only seems to be one spot "D0", so I changed
|
|
that to d2 also. It still doesn't boot, but does seem to stay on drive
|
|
2 while booting. (actually it does flash to drive 0 and back to Drive 2
|
|
at one point but doesn't stay at drive 0 even with no disk in it.
|
|
|
|
It seems close to working but not knowing exactly what I'm doing is kind
|
|
of a hinderance. <g>
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|
|
|
---Dom
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|
92611 17-MAY 03:21 System Modules (6809)
|
|
RE: Booting from another drive (Re: Msg 92606)
|
|
From: COCOKIWI To: DOMM
|
|
|
|
I did it a differnt way!..I put in a switch to change the drive 0 from a
|
|
STD..40 track to 3.5" and used it for DOS and Os9........
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|
|
drive 1 was a 40 track......Drive 2 was an 80 track 5.25"
|
|
I could use the 3.5" as a 80 track DOS disk...D0/D2...front/back
|
|
and a full Double sided 80 track in os9...bootable!
|
|
and to copy to it..I used an 80 track RAMDISK..ala Ext-ADOS-3...to move stuff
|
|
back and forward.....Has worked for me now for a number of years!
|
|
|
|
all it takes is a single pole double throw switch..or a double pole,double throw
|
|
|
|
.if one want an indicator LED...........
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|
D0 select line > o o >LED-------X------B+
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|
|
MAIN D0 line <Car> o o >470 ohm resistor to ground!
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|
|
Second D0 select line > o o >LED-------X------B+
|
|
|
|
Use a double LED..<red/green>in one case!.....
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|
|
Dennis
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|
92613 17-MAY 18:38 System Modules (6809)
|
|
RE: Booting from another drive (Re: Msg 92602)
|
|
From: RANDYKWILSON To: DOMM
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|
|
|
Dom,
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|
|
First lets go through a quick-n-dirty os9 boot, coco style.
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|
|
1> You type "dos". The DECB rom code reads track 34 of the floppy, loads it
|
|
into memory, and executes the code at a set point.
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|
|
2> The execute point is REL. REL moves the loaded code into high memory, and
|
|
jumps into the kernel; os9p1.
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|
|
3> The kernel takes a look around and can't find his usual cronies. So the
|
|
Kernel calls BOOT.
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|
|
4> BOOT knows nothing about DECB or OS9 disk structures. It only knows to look
|
|
at one given point to find out where to start reading, and how much. This is
|
|
|
|
why OS9Boot files must be contiguous. Effectively boot loads Os9Boot.
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|
5> Now the kernel is happy, grabs some defaults from Init, and executes CC3go.
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|
|
There are, as has been mentioned, three points that need to be fixed to use
|
|
another drive as boot. You apparently have found a way around the first one;
|
|
the DECB dos command. The third one is simple. Patch the drive/device names in
|
|
Init and CC3go. It's the second one that is a problem.
|
|
|
|
"Boot" is nothing more than a very dumb loader program. It is hard coded, very
|
|
hard coded, to the coco disk controller, drive 0. At the point boot is running,
|
|
DECB is gone, but OS9 hasn't started yet. There are no descriptors, or drivers,
|
|
or managers. It's boot's job to load the file containing them.
|
|
|
|
While I do know asm, I do not know how to program/control the floopy
|
|
controller. If we could come up with sufficient data on drive select, it should
|
|
be possible to form a patch.
|
|
|
|
Many people claim to boot from a hard drive. Some just patch CC3Go and Init so
|
|
that the process starts on a floppy; the enter boot comes from floppy; then
|
|
continues on the hard drives. some people, me included have replaced their
|
|
boot module with a different one so that most of the boot comes from the
|
|
hard drive. A few have replaced everything including the DECB rom to boot
|
|
totally from a hard drive. Only the first, least effective, is done with
|
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patching.
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|
Randy
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92615 17-MAY 19:16 System Modules (6809)
|
|
RE: Booting from another drive (Re: Msg 92606)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: DOMM
|
|
|
|
> Actually, the reason I'd be interested in doing this is because I
|
|
> recently added a 3.5" disk drive to both my CoCo setups. My choice was to
|
|
> make it (on both systems) Drive 2 because that way I could keep all the
|
|
> 5.25 boot disks as they are rather than changing everything.
|
|
|
|
That makes sense. However, if you really wanted to make your 3.5's boot
|
|
disks, I believe the best way would be to make your 3.5 drive 0. You have
|
|
to modify your Boot module. This is why right now it is going back to
|
|
0 each time. I don't know if it would be any hassle if you set the 3.5 as
|
|
drive 0 down the road or not. All you would have to do would be to copy
|
|
all your boot disks to 3.5's.. Actually, if you don't have a HD, I would
|
|
suggest getting 2 3.5's for one of your computers. You would want to keep
|
|
at least one 5.25 for compatibility.
|
|
|
|
> I've since played around with looking at the modules with kwikzap and
|
|
> have been able to locate a couple of places in INIT and CC3go where I
|
|
> substituted "D2" for anything resembling a drive descriptor. (h0,d0,dd)
|
|
> On the Boot module, there only seems to be one spot "D0", so I changed
|
|
> that to d2 also. It still doesn't boot, but does seem to stay on drive
|
|
> 2 while booting. (actually it does flash to drive 0 and back to Drive 2
|
|
> at one point but doesn't stay at drive 0 even with no disk in it.
|
|
|
|
A "d0" in the "BOOT" module is not a reference to d0 (I don't think). It
|
|
is a strictly m/l program that does a raw load of your os9boot file from
|
|
disk. You will need to gain a knowledge on disk controller commands to do
|
|
this. IMO, it would just not be worth it.
|
|
|
|
> It seems close to working but not knowing exactly what I'm doing is kind
|
|
> of a hinderance. <g>
|
|
|
|
I know what you mean there! Again, I think It would be much easier to just
|
|
set your 3.5 as drive 0. If you do this, you may need a few pointers to do
|
|
this.. I'm not sure exactly what you have to do to get this completed. I
|
|
think you have to first connect a 3.5 as drive 1 or 2, then make a boot disk
|
|
on it, with d0 as the 3.5, then switch your drives and boot from this..
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|
Again, 2-3.5's would be a good setup.
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|
-- David Breeding --
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
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92622 17-MAY 23:55 System Modules (6809)
|
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RE: Booting from another drive (Re: Msg 92611)
|
|
From: DOMM To: COCOKIWI
|
|
|
|
Thanks for the reply! I'll have to think about this for awhile.
|
|
I don't have time right this second to read and understand exactly
|
|
what you have written but I'm always interested on alternative solutions.
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|
---Dom
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92623 18-MAY 00:10 System Modules (6809)
|
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RE: Booting from another drive (Re: Msg 92613)
|
|
From: DOMM To: RANDYKWILSON
|
|
|
|
Randy---
|
|
You've given me the "whats happening" step by step knowledge that is
|
|
very useful if I'm to understand this thing and make an inteligent decision
|
|
about it. In a way, it's too bad that I seem to be on the right track
|
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on "two points" out of three because I hate to give up on anything.
|
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However, from what you say about the m/l part of the "Boot" module,
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my quest for a drive 2 boot is a little out of reach.
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Thanks!
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---Dom
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92624 18-MAY 00:25 System Modules (6809)
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RE: Booting from another drive (Re: Msg 92615)
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From: DOMM To: DBREEDING
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At this point any way, I believe you are right about the easiest and
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least complicated way to boot from the 3.5 is to make it drive 0.
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Right now however, I would have to change a lot of disks over and there
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is this saying thats seems appropriate:
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("If it ain't broke - don't fix it!")
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I have two Coco setups with two 5.25s and one 3.5 apiece. Also, I have
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five 5.25s waiting in the wings in case of trouble. If I were to change
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over to a 3.5 format, I'd have to change alot of stuff. ($$$)
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I've learned a lot though! Thanks!
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---Dom
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92625 18-MAY 00:49 System Modules (6809)
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RE: Booting from another drive (Re: Msg 92623)
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From: RANDYKWILSON To: DOMM
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Dom,
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Definately not out of reach. But it may be a lot more trouble than it's
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worth. The next step would be to procure the control information for the
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coco floppy controller. I believe the info needed is about the register
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at addr $FF40, but am not totally sure. Then the code to Boot would have
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to be examined and a patch strategy laid out. It *may* be a simple, one
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byte, patch. Or it may require extensive logic modifications to keep
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other portions of the code from stomping on the drive 2 select.
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randy
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-*-
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92628 18-MAY 01:21 System Modules (6809)
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RE: Booting from another drive (Re: Msg 92613)
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From: COCOKIWI To: RANDYKWILSON
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the location for drive select is $FF40....the bits in there are what control
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which drive....and are what is changed to get double sided drives to use the
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back side.....cannot find my book on it right now...
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used to do it all the time<grin>
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dennis
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92630 18-MAY 18:16 System Modules (6809)
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RE: Booting from another drive (Re: Msg 92625)
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From: RANDYKWILSON To: DOMM
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Domm,
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Alright already. I went digging through the databases, and found a os9
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defsfile that had the floppy info. Try doing:
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os9> modpatch
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l boot
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c 33 09 0c
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c b5 29 2c
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c 13a 09 0c
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v
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<escape>
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Now hit reset and see which drive lights up.
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Randy
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-*-
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92632 18-MAY 22:44 System Modules (6809)
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RE: Booting from another drive (Re: Msg 92630)
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From: DOMM To: RANDYKWILSON
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Randy---
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THATS GREAT! I still can't get it to boot though.?? What was the description
|
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of the floppy info in the defsfile? I'll have to look this over a while to
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make sure I have the changes correctly in place. Gut feeling however says
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what I did - I did. Whether or not I need to change something else or what,
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I don't know.
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So far, I patched Init and CC3go to /d2 descriptors. Init has been patched
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to get CC3go in /d2/cmds. Also patched boot with your modpatch file.
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While I'm rechecking, any thoughts???
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(Thanks again for the research!)
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---Dom
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92633 19-MAY 00:11 System Modules (6809)
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RE: Booting from another drive (Re: Msg 92623)
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From: WDTV5 To: DOMM
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I don't think its impossible, but lemme do a little snooping before I grab a
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saw and start on this limb I'm on. Later, Gene
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92634 19-MAY 01:47 System Modules (6809)
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RE: Booting from another drive (Re: Msg 92630)
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From: DOMM To: RANDYKWILSON
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|
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Randy---
|
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Well...so far it still won't boot (Boot Fail). I did all the patches
|
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over, reformated /d2 to 40 tracks, made a new boot disk with changes..
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including /dd set to drive 2 and making sure /dd and d2 are 40 track.
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It does stay firmly on drive 2 when the boot screen is present though.
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I changed two places in CC3go from /H0 to /D2.
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I changed one place in INIT from /dd to /d2.
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One place I might question is in the init. The sequence goes:"(.-Init.CMDS/
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CC3go/dd/TermBoot..M"
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Now, I changed the /dd to /d2 only. May be this should be done differently?
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At least now - It stays steady on drive 2 and gets all the way to Boot Fail.
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Any sugestions???
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---Dom
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92635 19-MAY 18:10 System Modules (6809)
|
|
RE: Booting from another drive (Re: Msg 92634)
|
|
From: RANDYKWILSON To: DOMM
|
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|
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Dom,
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|
|
|
At the moment, my coco is not running, so I can't verify this. I do believe
|
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that the strings in Init and CC3go should have the high bit set on the last
|
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char. If this is true, the /d2 in init should be (hex) 2F 64 B2. Same thing
|
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for the spot in CC3go that used to be /H0, not /H0/cmds. In reality, the
|
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two /h0 strings in cc3go could stay unmolested. That's where it *attempts*
|
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to switch over to the hard drive. If it errors (no hard drive or /h0) it
|
|
shrugs and continues with the current floppy. :>
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Randy
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-*-
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92636 19-MAY 20:36 System Modules (6809)
|
|
RE: Booting from another drive (Re: Msg 92624)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: DOMM
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> At this point any way, I believe you are right about the easiest and
|
|
> least complicated way to boot from the 3.5 is to make it drive 0.
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|
|
> I have two Coco setups with two 5.25s and one 3.5 apiece. Also, I have
|
|
> five 5.25s waiting in the wings in case of trouble. If I were to change
|
|
> over to a 3.5 format, I'd have to change alot of stuff. ($$$)
|
|
|
|
Well, not a lot, would there? You'd just have to put all your boots
|
|
onto your 3.5's, and perhaps any other data disks that had to be in
|
|
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|
*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
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-*-
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|
92637 19-MAY 23:42 System Modules (6809)
|
|
RE: Booting from another drive (Re: Msg 92634)
|
|
From: WDTV5 To: DOMM
|
|
|
|
Nosey me again, Randy had the right idea on boot patches, but as I recall
|
|
from patching the step rate, there's two of them puppies. Can you verify
|
|
that Randy? From the rest of the message, I think it should have worked.
|
|
I'd be interested in the final how-to myself.
|
|
Cheers Domm, Gene
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-*-
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|
92638 19-MAY 23:56 System Modules (6809)
|
|
RE: Booting from another drive (Re: Msg 92637)
|
|
From: RANDYKWILSON To: WDTV5
|
|
|
|
Gene,
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|
|
|
My CoCo is only partially working. As such I can not test anything. I do
|
|
have some coco disasm's on the mm/1, including boot. With the info found
|
|
in FDDefs (programmers db), I found three points in the code that set the
|
|
base value of FF40. From those bases, it appears to "or" in the needed
|
|
control bits. The mod patch I gave should change those three bases. No
|
|
guarantees. I've never messed with raw floppy i/o before. :>
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|
|
|
Randy
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|
-*-
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|
92640 20-MAY 18:05 System Modules (6809)
|
|
RE: Booting from another drive (Re: Msg 92635)
|
|
From: DOMM To: RANDYKWILSON
|
|
|
|
Randy---
|
|
WELL-WELL-WELL--- I think we're gettin there! I finally got the thing to BOOT!
|
|
I'm having a little trouble during "startup" where at one point I have a list
|
|
of "Display" changes to different windows.(Seems to jam and slowly gives the
|
|
seek error #247 repeatedly. This could be related to something with merging
|
|
because I was getting that situation at a different point where I was sending
|
|
GUIB graphic boxes to some windows. I changed my startup line where I was
|
|
merging stdfonts from /d0 to /dd and got this. I then changed /dd to /d2 and
|
|
that
|
|
situation cleared up. I'm not sure at this point though.)
|
|
|
|
At this point, what I did was change back to the original CC3go with its
|
|
H0 descriptors and placed it back within the boot. Changed back the Init
|
|
to get CC3go in the boot and changed as you sugested , 2F 44 32 to 2F 64 B2.
|
|
The 32 to B2 change, is the differance it seems.(44=D 64=d probally doesn't
|
|
matter). Is this the high bit set on the last character?
|
|
|
|
What I'll do now is to change my boot disk back to what I had before with
|
|
CC3go in CMDS and go from there.
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|
|
|
SO FAR SO GOOD!
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|
|
|
---Dom
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|
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|
-*-
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|
92645 20-MAY 20:31 System Modules (6809)
|
|
RE: Booting from another drive (Re: Msg 92640)
|
|
From: RANDYKWILSON To: DOMM
|
|
|
|
Amazing! :>
|
|
|
|
Yah, 44=D and 64=d; OS9 doesn't care about that in this situation. The high
|
|
bit set is indeed the B2 raather than 32. Normal ascii is in the range of
|
|
00 to 7F; a seven bit standard. Rather than using/wasting another byte to
|
|
mark the end of a string like Basic09 (FF) and C (00), OS9 internals often
|
|
use the high (eigth, unused) bit as a flag. Setting the high bit effectively
|
|
adds $80 to the chars value.
|
|
|
|
Randy
|
|
|
|
-*-
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|
|
92646 20-MAY 22:00 System Modules (6809)
|
|
RE: Booting from another drive (Re: Msg 92645)
|
|
From: DOMM To: RANDYKWILSON
|
|
|
|
Randy---
|
|
I think it's a "go"!
|
|
|
|
I made a 80 track boot off of Drive 2, with CC3go in CMDS. I'm still having
|
|
trouble at a certain spot of my startup but if I take that section out -
|
|
everything seems OK.
|
|
|
|
The boot disk in question is a little complicated so just to see I made a
|
|
40track boot disk of an editor disk I have. Once the changes have been done,
|
|
seems to boot off of drive 2 without any problems.
|
|
|
|
Do you think this information should be posted or what?
|
|
(Maybe a little more trying out is in order?)
|
|
|
|
---Dom
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
92647 20-MAY 22:10 System Modules (6809)
|
|
RE: Booting from another drive (Re: Msg 92636)
|
|
From: DOMM To: DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
David---
|
|
I seem to have about 10 bootdisks not counting the abandoned two-disk M.V.
|
|
ones. Then, I have 3 coppies of everything. So, about 30 change overs would
|
|
necessary. Since I now only have two 3.5 drives at different locations, and
|
|
four 5.25s setup with five more backups, I would rather stress out the drives
|
|
that I can redily replace.
|
|
|
|
Besides that, it seems that I now can boot up sucessfully from Drive 2.
|
|
(hear that knocking sound? It's me knocking on wood! <g>
|
|
|
|
---Dom
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
92648 20-MAY 22:23 System Modules (6809)
|
|
RE: Booting from another drive (Re: Msg 92637)
|
|
From: DOMM To: WDTV5
|
|
|
|
Gene---
|
|
So far so good! I think a little more checking/use should be done but the
|
|
changes seem to work ok.
|
|
|
|
I'll use the changwes for a little whi
|
|
changed disks for a little while and try to get the results
|
|
posted.
|
|
|
|
---Dom
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
92649 20-MAY 22:49 System Modules (6809)
|
|
RE: Booting from another drive (Re: Msg 92638)
|
|
From: WDTV5 To: RANDYKWILSON
|
|
|
|
I did a couple fof times, but its not for the faint-hearted! In os9 I've
|
|
confined myself to doing the 6ms patches to it, and there are 2 places
|
|
in the BOOT module for that, or were. Question, what happened to the CoCo3?
|
|
Maybe I can help if its not a bad GIME.
|
|
Cheers Randy, Gene
|
|
|
|
-*-
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|
|
92650 20-MAY 22:50 System Modules (6809)
|
|
RE: Booting from another drive (Re: Msg 92648)
|
|
From: WDTV5 To: DOMM
|
|
|
|
I'll be waiting!
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
92652 20-MAY 23:44 System Modules (6809)
|
|
RE: Booting from another drive (Re: Msg 92649)
|
|
From: RANDYKWILSON To: WDTV5
|
|
|
|
Gene,
|
|
|
|
My CoCo went south.. well even farther south.. about the same time RickU
|
|
informed me Fast232 was a solid go. At first I thought I was having
|
|
software problems. Finally, I determined that my MPI was dieing... at
|
|
which time it went totally.
|
|
|
|
Thanks to the kindness of John Wainright (JOHNREED), I now have a partial
|
|
CoCo that I can bring up for testing as needed. Not easily, though. Keyboard
|
|
and m/b connector are gone.... replaced with a ribbon cable and db25. I
|
|
have to jam an old keyboard mylar up against the ribbon solder points
|
|
steady enough and long enough to type "dos". :> John's old system was
|
|
obviously well and lovingly used.
|
|
|
|
I have also located another MPI. So, since I really do all my CoCo
|
|
software development and assembling on the mm/1, and the coco is used
|
|
for testing, I ought to be set for another ten years or so. :>
|
|
|
|
Thanks for the thought...
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|
|
|
Randy
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
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|
|
92659 21-MAY 13:09 System Modules (6809)
|
|
RE: Booting from another drive (Re: Msg 92652)
|
|
From: WDTV5 To: RANDYKWILSON
|
|
|
|
Or the mpi could be fixed, either Marty or I could probably handle that.
|
|
Cheers Randy, Gene
|
|
|
|
-*-
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|
|
92664 21-MAY 14:03 System Modules (6809)
|
|
RE: Booting from another drive (Re: Msg 92647)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: DOMM
|
|
|
|
> I seem to have about 10 bootdisks not counting the abandoned two-disk
|
|
> M.V. ones. Then, I have 3 coppies of everything. So, about 30 change overs
|
|
|
|
Well, to tell the truth, that sounds about what I had - well still have them.
|
|
Especially before I got my HD, I had a standard boot disk, a C boot, a
|
|
B09 Boot, a MV boot, and so on, and so on. After getting my HD, of course
|
|
I didn't have to have so many.. I actually just kept this one disk in
|
|
maybe a couple other instances. But I still kept most of my disks.
|
|
Actually, I should not have kept so many, but I always wanted to keep
|
|
myself on the safe side.
|
|
|
|
> would necessary. Since I now only have two 3.5 drives at different
|
|
> locations, and four 5.25s setup with five more backups, I would rather
|
|
> stress out the drives that I can redily replace.
|
|
|
|
Yeah, that is a point, but of course you can use just about any floppy
|
|
drive. I guess you are aware that you can use 1.44 drives, too, in
|
|
case you have to buy one and would like to have something to put into
|
|
another computer. All you have to do is just always use the DD disks, and
|
|
not use the HD ones..
|
|
|
|
As for floppy drive life, I still have the same 5.25's I bought some
|
|
10-12 years ago.. Wish my modems and printers would hold up that well <G>
|
|
|
|
> Besides that, it seems that I now can boot up sucessfully from Drive 2.
|
|
> (hear that knocking sound? It's me knocking on wood! <g>
|
|
|
|
Yes, I saw your post previously. Did you find a modified Boot module or
|
|
did you modify it yourself? I think I have the disassembled source code
|
|
for Boot, somewhere. Had intended on looking for it, and see if I could
|
|
fix it, but if you have it working there's no need, I guess.
|
|
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|
*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
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|
|
92665 21-MAY 14:03 System Modules (6809)
|
|
RE: Booting from another drive (Re: Msg 92648)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: DOMM
|
|
|
|
|
|
> So far so good! I think a little more checking/use should be done but the
|
|
> changes seem to work ok.
|
|
>
|
|
> I'll use the changwes for a little whi
|
|
> changed disks for a little while and try to get the results
|
|
> posted.
|
|
|
|
Oh, another thought.. are you going to change your /dd descriptor to point
|
|
to your modified boot drive?
|
|
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|
*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
92666 21-MAY 14:47 System Modules (6809)
|
|
RE: Booting from another drive (Re: Msg 92665)
|
|
From: DOMM To: DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
David---
|
|
|
|
> ............are you going to change your /dd descriptor to point to
|
|
> your modified boot drive?
|
|
|
|
So far, yes. The dd descriptor matches the d2 descriptor which should
|
|
reflect the type of disk (80-40 tracks) used.
|
|
|
|
---Dom
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
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|
|
92671 21-MAY 20:04 System Modules (6809)
|
|
RE: Booting from another drive (Re: Msg 92659)
|
|
From: RANDYKWILSON To: WDTV5
|
|
|
|
Gene,
|
|
|
|
I did basic power checks (was hacked for AT p/s), solder joint inspection,
|
|
and swapped out all the TTL. I'm down to pointing a finger at the vlsi
|
|
surface-mount thingie.
|
|
|
|
Time for a new one.
|
|
|
|
Randy
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
92676 21-MAY 23:47 System Modules (6809)
|
|
RE: Booting from another drive (Re: Msg 92671)
|
|
From: WDTV5 To: RANDYKWILSON
|
|
|
|
Humm, its a later mpi I take it. I spose, but then again, I'd be surprised
|
|
if the shack couldn't supply it once we figure out the part number assigned
|
|
to it *today*. It isn't so big that it couldn'tcome off destructivly which
|
|
would make the replacement a whole bunch easier. As in using an exacto
|
|
or ? to slice thru the leads near the body, then bulk remove the leftovers
|
|
with some solder-wick. Wash it up and plant the new one. Sounds like a
|
|
walk in the park from this end. In any event, don't toss it. Its like
|
|
dirt, they don't make any new dirt. Dirt, as in real estate. They aren't
|
|
making any new mpi's either. I have a manual, and can look it up if that
|
|
would help.
|
|
Cheers Randy, Gene
|
|
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|
-*-
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End of Thread.
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-*-
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|
92605 16-MAY 22:23 General Information
|
|
chd's in ftp
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: ALL
|
|
|
|
Is there some command to toggle the case of your characters while in
|
|
an ftp site? I just was at chestnut, tried to get into OSK sub. My
|
|
characters were echoed in uppercase (the directory was in u/c), but it
|
|
returned "osk" in lowercase and said no such directory.. The only dir
|
|
I could access was 6809 it was first one, but no alpha characters, so
|
|
I suspect chestnut was getting lowercase, or interpreting it as such.
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I may have a text file about this, will check.
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Thanks
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92608 17-MAY 00:37 General Information
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RE: chd's in ftp (Re: Msg 92605)
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From: MITHELEN To: DBREEDING
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You need to put uppercase, or mixed case names between quote characters.
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--
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Paul
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92617 17-MAY 19:29 General Information
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RE: chd's in ftp (Re: Msg 92608)
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From: DBREEDING To: MITHELEN
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> You need to put uppercase, or mixed case names between quote characters.
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Thanks, Paul, CARL_D also told me... If I knew it, I had lost the info..
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I thought I tried it, but apparently not.
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I want to try and see if the versions of zip/unzip are more up-to-date
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than mine.. I need this pair for QWK packets, and I believe the ones I
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have (Zip 1.0, 29 Sept 1991 and unzip 5.0 21 Aug 1992) are trashing my
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directories.. I posted this once and someone (BROWN80?) said he didn't
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think we had any better versions, but I want to give it a shot.
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|
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I don't feel safe using zip any more... may do my reading from floppy,
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but that will be slow.. and more inconvenient..
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It seems that the darn thing is writing right over other files, writing
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its data over the other file's data and allocating the bitmap for itself,
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and when the file is deleted, the bitmap for the original file is also
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deallocated (but the data is garbaged anyway.
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I have the source for zip, and I believe it does its own thing for writes,
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haven't looked at it closely yet.
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
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End of Thread.
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92607 16-MAY 23:30 General Information
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ftp
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|
From: CARL_D To: DBREEDING
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Enclose uppercase directories in quotes. as in cd "OSK".
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92616 17-MAY 19:29 General Information
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RE: ftp (Re: Msg 92607)
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From: DBREEDING To: CARL_D
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> Enclose uppercase directories in quotes. as in cd "OSK".
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Thanks... I thought I tried that, but I guess not.
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
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End of Thread.
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92614 17-MAY 19:09 General Information
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IDE Hard drive adapter?
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From: DISTO To: ALL
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How many people would be interested in an IDE hard disk adapter for the/our
|
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COCO 3? More details to follow! -Tony.
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92620 17-MAY 23:23 General Information
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RE: IDE Hard drive adapter? (Re: Msg 92614)
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From: REVKAK To: DISTO
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|
I would be *very* interested in an IDE adapter. IDE is so much easier to
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find small to mid size drives. New and/or used. Count me in! -Keith
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92629 18-MAY 01:22 General Information
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RE: IDE Hard drive adapter? (Re: Msg 92614)
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|
From: COCOKIWI To: DISTO
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VERY!<grin>
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Dennis
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92653 20-MAY 23:54 General Information
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RE: IDE Hard drive adapter? (Re: Msg 92614)
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|
From: WILLIAMSON68 To: DISTO (NR)
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I would be interested. Also, I'm looking for an origional 6309chip, any
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ideas?
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92661 21-MAY 13:17 General Information
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RE: IDE Hard drive adapter? (Re: Msg 92614)
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|
From: 01GEN40 To: DISTO (NR)
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I SURELY WOULD, OH MIGHTY ONE!!!!!
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|
LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!
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Peace and Long Life...
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Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)
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-= GEN =-
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End of Thread.
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92631 18-MAY 22:13 General Information
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IDE Hard drive adapter.
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From: CARL_D To: DISTO
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I would, very much so! IDE drives are cheap, fast and easy to get.
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92642 20-MAY 19:16 General Information
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CDL BASIC
|
|
From: TEDJAEGER To: ALL
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Hi All,
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Been looking at CBdemo and docs. I read in the docs that one can
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|
do system calls form this BASIC but see no examples how. What would be
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|
the CDL BASIC equivalent of:
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Type registers=d(8),a(8),pc:INTEGER
|
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DIM regs:registers
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DIM callcode:INTEGER
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callcode=$0c
|
|
run syscall(callcode,regs)
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|
id=regs.d(1)
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|
Since there is no syscall in CDL, I'm wondering how to get a BASIC
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|
variable loaded with the result of the system call and how to execute
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|
that call as well. I do see in the docs the indication that one can
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|
mix assembler with CDL BASIC but there is no example of how to use
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|
that technique and return a value from a system call. Thanks...
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Bests
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---TedJaeger
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92654 21-MAY 02:28 General Information
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|
RE: CDL BASIC (Re: Msg 92642)
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|
From: NIMITZ To: TEDJAEGER
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Ted, as you can see from further reading on the docs, one has direct access
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to all registers. Do it as you would in assembler. Load regs and issue an
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|
the call assember style.
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92680 22-MAY 21:21 General Information
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|
RE: CDL BASIC (Re: Msg 92654)
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|
From: TEDJAEGER To: NIMITZ
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|
> Ted, as you can see from further reading on the docs, one has direct
|
|
> access to all registers. Do it as you would in assembler. Load regs and
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|
> issue an the call assember style.
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|
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|
Could you give an example? I figure to get a process ID one goes:
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os9 F$ID
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|
|
|
There are no entry conditions so no registers to load, no? This leaves me
|
|
with the process ID in register d1. So how do I get the ID number out of
|
|
d1 to a BASIC variable? Does that too have to be done in assembler? A
|
|
move command? Perhaps the printed manual would/should cover this as, in my
|
|
experience, nothing too serious can be done in BASIC without system
|
|
calls.
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|
I bet HAWKSOFT could do this one in his sleep! Chris, are you there? Its
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|
CDL BASIC Chris.
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|
Bests
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|
---TedJaeger
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End of Thread.
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92644 20-MAY 20:09 General Information
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|
Usenet Messages?
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: ALL
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|
|
|
I have a question. In reading the usenet messages, I keep getting a lot of old
|
|
stuff
|
|
that I have already read. Today, I got messages dating back to March. What
|
|
I do is have them in Personal Favorites, and read from there. I thought
|
|
maybe you needed to go back in and mark them or something, but to test, I
|
|
came back in and attempted a read of unread messages and It replied "No
|
|
unread messages" Am I doing something wrong or is this just the way it
|
|
is?
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|
92655 21-MAY 08:31 General Information
|
|
RE: Usenet Messages? (Re: Msg 92644)
|
|
From: JOHNBAER To: DBREEDING
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|
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|
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David,
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|
|
> I have a question. In reading the usenet messages, I keep getting a lot
|
|
> of old stuff that I have already read.
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|
|
|
First, let me say that Marking messages does work. Now, I'll admit
|
|
to doing my reading from the Internet Sig, and I use the usenet reader..
|
|
Not the NN (Net News) reader. NN is more powerful.. I've tried it, and
|
|
like to use the other simpler one.
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|
|
|
You don't say where you are doing the reading from, and which reader
|
|
you are using. More info would be of help.
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|
|
|
John -
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|
92667 21-MAY 15:07 General Information
|
|
RE: Usenet Messages? (Re: Msg 92655)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: JOHNBAER
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|
|
|
> > I have a question. In reading the usenet messages, I keep getting a
|
|
> lot > of old stuff that I have already read.
|
|
>
|
|
> First, let me say that Marking messages does work. Now, I'll admit
|
|
> to doing my reading from the Internet Sig, and I use the usenet reader..
|
|
> Not the NN (Net News) reader.
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|
|
|
> You don't say where you are doing the reading from, and which reader
|
|
> you are using. More info would be of help.
|
|
|
|
I've been doing it from within the OS9 Sig. Just go in, choose Peronal
|
|
Favorites, have cocolist and comp.os9 there. choose first one, then the
|
|
other.. in each, let's see.. you get a prompt , unread is default. I
|
|
press enter, it tells you how many msgs & threads are there.. I then
|
|
type 1-<# threads> nonstop, having my capture turned on..
|
|
|
|
I had thought that I might need to "Mark", but I came right back in,
|
|
attempted to read messages again, but it told me "No unread messages"
|
|
so I would assume that marking is not necessary....
|
|
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|
*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
|
|
|
|
-*-
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|
|
End of Thread.
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|
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|
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|
92651 20-MAY 22:54 Telecom (6809)
|
|
usenet
|
|
From: WDTV5 To: ALL
|
|
|
|
I'm in the same boat, I just went back into the bit.listserv.coco (35)
|
|
area and was told there were over 100 msgs I haven't read since last time.
|
|
Yeah, sure, I was there last night and got them all, should be maybe 10:15
|
|
msgs, I looked at the headers and I had read them all!
|
|
Just to be sure I marked them before I left.
|
|
Cheers all, Gene
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|
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|
-*-
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|
|
92663 21-MAY 14:02 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: usenet (Re: Msg 92651)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: WDTV5
|
|
|
|
> I'm in the same boat, I just went back into the bit.listserv.coco (35)
|
|
> area and was told there were over 100 msgs I haven't read since last
|
|
> time.
|
|
|
|
I assume you are responding to my message... At least I'm not the only
|
|
one <G>. I had been noticing it and thought maybe it was just a fluke,
|
|
but today, it's a bunch.. It could be some that are recirculating around
|
|
or something. I've seen it on the other nets where I suppose the messages
|
|
come in from two different sources..
|
|
|
|
It wouldn't be so bad but I'm paying long distance and kinda hate to pay
|
|
for the time to get duplicates, but it might not be something that can be
|
|
avoided.
|
|
|
|
One other thing, when I went back in, it said that in coco, I believe, that
|
|
there had been some 160(?) messages in the past 14 days, that I'd read
|
|
approx. 66, but when I called for unread messages, it said "no unread msgs".
|
|
|
|
Actually, thinking about it, that sounds like maybe duplicates _are_ coming
|
|
in..
|
|
|
|
Oh, well, I can think of worse things than that..
|
|
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|
*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
|
|
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|
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|
|
92675 21-MAY 23:41 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: usenet (Re: Msg 92663)
|
|
From: WDTV5 To: DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
Maybe, but in the quick scan I did, I'd not noticed that the mail dates
|
|
etc were different. But then I wasn't paying that much attention either.
|
|
It could be dups, but that many? Nahhh.
|
|
Cheers David, Gene
|
|
|
|
-*-
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|
|
|
92678 22-MAY 01:16 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: usenet (Re: Msg 92675)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: WDTV5
|
|
|
|
> Maybe, but in the quick scan I did, I'd not noticed that the mail dates
|
|
> etc were different. But then I wasn't paying that much attention either.
|
|
> It could be dups, but that many? Nahhh.
|
|
|
|
I'm thinking we could be getting an echo, or if the ones using a different
|
|
reader are not getting them, then either we are doing something wrong or
|
|
our reader is goofing up.. As I said, I went back in and it told me I
|
|
didn't have any unread mail, so if I get dups again, then it would be
|
|
apparent to me that the dups are caused by something besides my technique.
|
|
|
|
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|
*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
|
|
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|
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|
|
|
|
92682 22-MAY 23:11 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: usenet (Re: Msg 92678)
|
|
From: WDTV5 To: DBREEDING (NR)
|
|
|
|
Thats possible, but I'd rather blame it on a flacky ethernet card someplace
|
|
in the delphi system. What I'm told happens is that you may get a different
|
|
machine the next time on, and it doesn't kknow (yet) that you've been
|
|
there and read the stuffs. Problems of that nature for me went away after
|
|
an amiga conference blew up in delphi's face resulting a bunch of very
|
|
irate users, me among 'em. Subsequent troubleshoot found a bad card that
|
|
had rather effectively divided the system up into 2 pieces. Those who
|
|
got a connection on one side got into the conference, those on the other
|
|
side were told that no such conference existed! I was one of the un-lucky
|
|
ones in 3 tries that nite, and irate wasn't an adequate description of
|
|
my mood, that conference had been highly publicised (sp) for 2 weeks
|
|
ahead of time. So that maybe whats going on here. It can also result in
|
|
files you've received in mail, then deleted, mysteriously comeing back
|
|
to haunt us. I had lots of that, but after that bad card was repalced,
|
|
(sp) my probs with previously deleted mail re-appearing pretty much
|
|
went away.
|
|
Cheers David, Gene
|
|
|
|
-*-
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|
|
|
End of Thread.
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|
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|
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|
|
|
92662 21-MAY 13:58 System Modules (6809)
|
|
Drive Two Boot
|
|
From: DOMM To: RANDYKWILSON
|
|
|
|
RANDY---
|
|
I just tracked down what was giving me ERROR #247-Seek errors while trying
|
|
to boot from drive 2 with the first experimental disk I was using.
|
|
|
|
It seems that on that disk I had two programs which used guib to draw
|
|
boxes on another window. With the original 5.25 disk in drive 0, I was
|
|
able to use the ">" path descriptor to send only the output. Now, with
|
|
the 3.5 disk in drive 2, I must use the full "<>>>". The only other
|
|
change in my startup was changing d0 to d2 concerning my merge of stdfonts.
|
|
|
|
Those two programs have a status check for the version of guib. Maybe this
|
|
was where it was hanging?
|
|
|
|
Otherwise, I now have two 80 and one 40 track Drive two "working" boot disks!
|
|
|
|
If its ok with you, and you are pretty confident about the modpatch you
|
|
devised, I'll work up a text file briefly explaining what we did. (???)
|
|
|
|
---Dom
|
|
|
|
-*-
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|
|
|
92672 21-MAY 20:09 System Modules (6809)
|
|
RE: Drive Two Boot (Re: Msg 92662)
|
|
From: RANDYKWILSON To: DOMM
|
|
|
|
Sure, no problem. Publish away. :>
|
|
|
|
For the record, the three patch points are in the form of $xy. $x9 is drive0,
|
|
$xA is drive1, and $xC is drive2.
|
|
|
|
Randy
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|
|
|
-*-
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|
|
|
92673 21-MAY 20:30 System Modules (6809)
|
|
RE: Drive Two Boot (Re: Msg 92672)
|
|
From: DOMM To: RANDYKWILSON
|
|
|
|
Randy---
|
|
Sorry...but I have no idea what you mean $xy - ($x9=/d0 $xA=/d1 $xC=/d2)???
|
|
|
|
My assembly knowledge is practically zip. Which would bring another
|
|
question.....I,d like to get some kind of assemblerisassembler for OS9.
|
|
Any sugestions? (may be someone has one for sale???)
|
|
|
|
---Dom
|
|
|
|
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|
|
|
92679 22-MAY 01:16 System Modules (6809)
|
|
RE: Drive Two Boot (Re: Msg 92673)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: DOMM
|
|
|
|
> My assembly knowledge is practically zip. Which would bring another
|
|
> question.....I,d like to get some kind of assemblerisassembler for OS9.
|
|
> Any sugestions? (may be someone has one for sale???)
|
|
|
|
You have a couple of options for an assembler. You don't have OS9 Level
|
|
1? It has an assembler in it. Your other choice is to find the Development
|
|
Pak. It has a C-compatible compiler - well, you have 3 choices, really,
|
|
an earlier version of the Dev-Pak assembler is included with the C Compiler,
|
|
too, and you could use it.
|
|
|
|
I have a really good disassembler. It is Dynamite+ from the same people who
|
|
published Dynacalc. I don't know if they are still in business or not.
|
|
|
|
I believe a pd disassembler is here, too.. I believe it's name is "dasm".
|
|
I got it, but never did use it.. Dynacalc is so good that it wasn't worth the
|
|
effort to learn the syntax <G>.
|
|
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|
*** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***
|
|
|
|
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|
|
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|
|
|
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|
|
|
92669 21-MAY 15:08 OSK Applications
|
|
More on ZIP
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: ALL
|
|
|
|
Hey, everyone.
|
|
|
|
I guess everyone remembers me crying a while back about ZIP messing up
|
|
on the directory structure. I kept getting occasional instances when
|
|
the bitmap for the file was not allocated.
|
|
|
|
The version I have is 1.0 Someone said it was buggy, but I have had pretty
|
|
good luck in unzipping (different program, of course), other files and
|
|
have had no complaints on files I've zipped.
|
|
|
|
I even grabbed a new zip (1.9) from chestnut, but _it_ seemed to do mess
|
|
up more often than 1.0.
|
|
|
|
I finally went in and began studying the code that came with zip, and I
|
|
_believe_ I have discovered the problem..
|
|
|
|
When all files are zipped, it has created a new temp file, usually with
|
|
the name _Z00*. On exit, it first deletes the original *.zip, if present.
|
|
Next, it goes to a function called link(). It attempts to overwrite the
|
|
temp filename with that of the destination *.zip name, inc the link
|
|
count in the file descriptor. (Otherwise, if any part fails, it comes
|
|
back and does a straight copy). In either case, it calls unlink()
|
|
to delete the tempfile name. I found that link() failed often, and
|
|
the moderately rare cases when link() was successful, were when the
|
|
file structure got munged.
|
|
|
|
The problem:
|
|
|
|
I believe I've found it. In the file "osk.c", the main function that link()
|
|
uses is a multi-purpose one, and it optionally will get the sector size
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from the device driver, or will read the disk. Two defines are used
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to control the program flow. "FROM_DRIVER" and "FROM_DISK". My code
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defines FROM_DISK, but... somehow, the author, down around line 750,
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when he wants to read the disk, uses the switch #ifdef "FROM_MEDIA"
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instead of "FROM_DISK". When I changed this to FROM_DISK, it appears
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in my test program that link() is working much more often and that
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the few times I have tried it, it is now fixed... (I was a little chicken
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to try it on my HD <G> - but did)
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If anyone is using zip, it might be well to fix this. Actually, I wonder
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if it would be safest to just eliminate this link() call from the procedure,
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as I wouldn't mind its doing a copy, as my main use for it is in small
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QWK replies and large copies to floppy for MS-DOS systems is not all that
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frequent.
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Is there someone who should be notified about this? I couldn't determine
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who might be in charge of the OS-9 end of it..
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING
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92670 21-MAY 16:36 System Modules (6809)
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os2/os9
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From: DOMM To: ALL
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Could someone tell me the differances/sames of OS9 compared to OS2 aside
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from the obvious hardware?
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I thought someone said that os2 wasn't re-entrant but someone else told
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me it is. (???)
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---Dom
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92681 22-MAY 23:02 New Uploads
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File Upload to Delphi
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From: DOMM To: ALL
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HELP! I seem to have uploaded two text files with the same name and need
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to make sure that they use only the last upload.
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I left a message in the trouble section but fear that wasn't the way to fix
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things.
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How do I make sure of this?
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---Dom
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