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89659 30-AUG 19:47 Telecom (6809)
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nothing much!!
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From: SAUSAGESAM To: ALL
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Hello all out there!! I just bought a 28.8k modem today for about $170.
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It's really neat.. Has Caller ID built in and every protocol there is and
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lots of other stuff. Anyway, I know I can't use this modem to it's
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potential, but I bought it for the future so when my Mom gets an IBM compat
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in a couple of months I can download stuff at 3500 cps or so! (No I'm not
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going to give up the CoCo. I LOVE IT way to much. It's my FRIEND!!).
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Anyway, I have two things to say... One is something really interesting. I
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thought 19.2k was the fasted port speed you could pick in Ultimaterm. Well,
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I went one up and there was a "450 baud". I thought, well I'll try this and
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see what happens... And you know WHAT??! It MADE my port 115,200 BAUD!!!
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of course my coco cant receive data that fast. When I log into a BBS I get
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CARRIER 28800
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PROT: LAP-M
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CONNECT 115200
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It really suprised me!! But when I am on a BBS, if I watch the modem and my
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computer screen, I see the modem's receive data light go off and on real fast,
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but Ultimaterm is still putting stuff on the screen from where the modem fills
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up it's buffer. It's cool though. It would be great if the guy who wrote
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Ultimaterm could rewrite it for 6309 Code to get it going faster! I would
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definatly buy it!
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Okay, now to my other thing I was gonna say. If anybody wants to make me a
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deal on my old (one month old) U.S. Robotics 14.4k modem, let me know! I
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have the box and all the instruction booklets and everything that came with
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it, including that stupid free software that you have to run on an IBM to
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try online services. Using Ultimaterm I could always get around 1200 CPS
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on transfers... If anyone wants my modem leave me an offer! It has a 5
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year warranty so if anything goes wrong with it you can send it back to me
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and I'll send it in for repair...
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l8r all!
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89717 3-SEP 13:41 Telecom (6809)
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RE: nothing much!! (Re: Msg 89659)
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From: JEVESTAL To: SAUSAGESAM
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> interesting. I thought 19.2k was the fasted port speed you could pick in
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> Ultimaterm. Well, I went one up and there was a "450 baud". I thought,
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> well I'll try this and see what happens... And you know WHAT??! It MADE my
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> port 115,200 BAUD!!! of course my coco cant receive data that fast. When I
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> log into a BBS I get
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> CARRIER 28800
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> PROT: LAP-M
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> CONNECT 115200
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Which rs232 pak do you have? My CoNect 6551A port does not work with that
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"450" speed on Uterm. It is interesting to note that the "450" speed is
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after 19.2 and before the low speeds (50, 75, 150, 300). If it were
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actual "450 bps" it would have been located after the 300 and before
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the 600 bps. So this rate could be an undocumented 115,200 that the
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author of Uterm was playing with, it was mis-labeled as 450.
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Some UART chips "for the CoCo" may have a setting higher than 19,200
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but the 6551A in my CoNect port does not support it.
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Jim
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======================== InfoXpress 01.01.00 OS-9/6809 ======================
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| Narnia BBS: 11pm-7am PDT serving CoCo OS-9 users
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----|---- StG network: sysop@Narnia "Exclusively OS-9"
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| Delphi: JEVestal@delphi.com
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Marysville, CA InterNet: JEVestal@narnia.wa.com
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| or : JEVestal@citrus.sac.ca.us
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(916) 743-2617 Voice: 7am-11pm PDT :1 Corinthians 1:18 & Romans 1:16
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=============================================================================
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Jim Vestal: Assistant editor of The International OS-9 Underground,
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"Magazine dedicated to OS-9/OSK Users Everywhere
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89729 3-SEP 22:52 Telecom (6809)
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RE: nothing much!! (Re: Msg 89717)
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From: SAUSAGESAM To: JEVESTAL
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Welps, I'm using a modified modem pak so I have no idea what UART is in it.
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I really don't even know what a UART is...! hehe. Do you have a 28.8k
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modem? 14.4k's only support a throughput (or whatever) of 56,200 or
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somethin'... so if you had a 14.4k or less then commands won't work. But
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with this 28.8k I bought, the throughput goes up to 230,400 bps or
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something.. so I'm able to select that bps rate "450"..
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By the way, don't ask *why* I got a 28.8k modem!! Well, it was just at a
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real good price and I couldn't resist. But now when an IBM moves into the
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house I can share this modem with it as well as my coco.. right now it's
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using the v.fc protocol but you can buy a eprom to replace the one inside
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to make it v.34/v.fc...
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ttyl!
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89759 5-SEP 02:17 Telecom (6809)
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RE: nothing much!! (Re: Msg 89729)
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From: JEVESTAL To: SAUSAGESAM
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> Welps, I'm using a modified modem pak so I have no idea what UART is in
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> it. I really don't even know what a UART is...! hehe. Do you have a
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> 28.8k modem? 14.4k's only support a throughput (or whatever) of 56,200 or
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> somethin'... so if you had a 14.4k or less then commands won't work. But
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> with this 28.8k I bought, the throughput goes up to 230,400 bps or
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> something.. so I'm able to select that bps rate "450"..
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>
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> By the way, don't ask *why* I got a 28.8k modem!! Well, it was just at a
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> real good price and I couldn't resist. But now when an IBM moves into the
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> house I can share this modem with it as well as my coco.. right now it's
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> using the v.fc protocol but you can buy a eprom to replace the one inside
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> to make it v.34/v.fc...
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I only have a 14.4 modem, it took me a long time to even afford this one,
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much less a modem that cost twice what I paid for this. I just wish
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I could get better performance from OS-9 based term programs, 4800 is
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better than 2400 but I would love to run at 9600 without errors or
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even 19.2 (14.4).
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I'm almost tempted to try to get my hard drive working under RS-DOS...
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but I would miss the multi-tasking environment!
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Jim
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======================== InfoXpress 01.01.00 OS-9/6809 ======================
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| Narnia BBS: 11pm-7am PDT serving CoCo OS-9 users
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----|---- StG network: sysop@Narnia "Exclusively OS-9"
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| Delphi: JEVestal@delphi.com
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Marysville, CA InterNet: JEVestal@narnia.citrus.sac.ca.us
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| or : JEVestal@citrus.sac.ca.us
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(916) 743-2617 Voice: 7am-11pm PDT :1 Corinthians 1:18 & Romans 1:16
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=============================================================================
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Jim Vestal: Assistant editor of The International OS-9 Underground,
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"Magazine dedicated to OS-9/OSK Users Everywhere
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89772 5-SEP 20:50 Telecom (6809)
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RE: nothing much!! (Re: Msg 89759)
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From: SAUSAGESAM To: JEVESTAL
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How much did ya pay for your 14.4? I bought my 28.8 for 170 bucks which
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wasn't too bad. the US Robotics 14.4 cost me about $140.
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89777 5-SEP 21:42 Telecom (6809)
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RE: nothing much!! (Re: Msg 89772)
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From: JEVESTAL To: SAUSAGESAM (NR)
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> How much did ya pay for your 14.4? I bought my 28.8 for 170 bucks which
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> wasn't too bad. the US Robotics 14.4 cost me about $140.
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I paid $130 for mine through DaMark. They offered an payment plan of
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4 payments. I could have bought a modem cheaper through other sources
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but not with a payment plan.
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Jim
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======================== InfoXpress 01.01.00 OS-9/6809 ======================
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| Narnia BBS: 11pm-7am PDT serving CoCo OS-9 users
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----|---- StG network: sysop@Narnia "Exclusively OS-9"
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| Delphi: JEVestal@delphi.com
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Marysville, CA InterNet: JEVestal@narnia.citrus.sac.ca.us
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| or : JEVestal@citrus.sac.ca.us
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(916) 743-2617 Voice: 7am-11pm PDT :1 Corinthians 1:18 & Romans 1:16
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=============================================================================
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Jim Vestal: Assistant editor of The International OS-9 Underground,
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"Magazine dedicated to OS-9/OSK Users Everywhere
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End of Thread.
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89660 30-AUG 19:57 General Information
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RE: Atlanta Fest (Re: Msg 89592)
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From: TEDJAEGER To: DISTO
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> Like I said before, I do not have the time or insperation to finish it. It
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> has a lot of work (mostly software) left. I have 3 left that work with a
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> MS DOS adapter card (included). They cost me $300 dollars to build each.
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> (Proto-type costs are high when you only make a few boards, 4 layer boards
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> at that). I am willing to sell them at $100 each (shipping included) with
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> all the docs, files, diagrams and sourse listings. But!!!!! And its a big
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> but. I make to garranties what so ever and no money back. At best, I can
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> give you a little on-line support. -Tony.
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Thanks for the info, Tony. Since I just added a CDROM I better say no, at
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least until Xmas time. To clear my head though, does the device plug into
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a MSDOS box or the MM1?
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>
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Bests
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---TedJaeger
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89677 31-AUG 21:49 General Information
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RE: Atlanta Fest (Re: Msg 89660)
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From: DISTO To: TEDJAEGER
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The digitizer can in theory do both. It has a SCSI port and can connect to
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anything that has the right driver. -Tony.
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End of Thread.
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89661 30-AUG 19:57 General Information
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RE: chestnut access (Re: Msg 89571)
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From: TEDJAEGER To: MITHELEN
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> I just thried itr, and it worked fine for me. Did you use Delphis FTP or
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> FTP from somewhere else? Did you supply "anonymous" as the username.
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> The password really won't matter after that, but convention has it that
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> you should enter your Username@Site.Domain for the password.
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I tried from my office which has access to the internet through MORENET,
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the latter being the Missouri Educational network. I did use anonymous
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as user name and various passwords though not my delphi address. I'll
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try this all again this afternoon and holler back. Is any of this
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case sensitive? thanks...
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Bests
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---TedJaeger
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89670 30-AUG 20:45 General Information
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RE: chestnut access (Re: Msg 89661)
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From: MITHELEN To: TEDJAEGER
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Hmm.. Strange... case shopuld only matter in the username... the password is
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basically ignored (more or less used as an accounting thing I believe)
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Can you capture an attempted ftp session that fails to a text file
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and mail it to me? I'llk try to figure out what is going haywire then.
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--
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Paul
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89713 3-SEP 08:24 General Information
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RE: chestnut access (Re: Msg 89670)
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From: TEDJAEGER To: MITHELEN
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> Hmm.. Strange... case shopuld only matter in the username... the password
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> is basically ignored (more or less used as an accounting thing I believe)
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> Can you capture an attempted ftp session that fails to a text file
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> and mail it to me? I'llk try to figure out what is going haywire then.
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Happy to report that I have successfully reached Chestnut and ftp a few
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files. The only thing that I know I did differently is that I used
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my dephi address as password rather than my office address. Wouldnt
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think that would matter, but there is the fact that our campus network
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was just coming up when I tried getting to Chestnut the first time, and
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then there were some tornadoes up there in Wisconsin! Anyway, thanks
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for the help!
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Bests
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---TedJaeger
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End of Thread.
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89662 30-AUG 20:36 General Information
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RE: OS9UG (Re: Msg 89627)
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From: CPERRAULT To: MRUPGRADE
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>>Usually a group will say they offer this or that, and do this,,
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etc..<<
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And the OS-9 Users Group is not of that breed. They are not
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guarrenteing anything that the community in general doesn't want to
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work for. It is the engine that the people can work with, as a
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backdrop for their projects.
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>>You mentioned an OS-9 users group? As seperate from OS9UG<<
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?? I'm not sure what you mean, but the OS-9 users group and OS9UG
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is one and the same. There is only one, tho it has gone through many
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'chapters'.
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>Chris<
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89671 30-AUG 22:52 General Information
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RE: OS9UG (Re: Msg 89662)
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From: MRUPGRADE To: CPERRAULT
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RE> OS users group & OSUG
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As I thought they are one and the same. One comment made me wonder?
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I didn't think there were different groups, but thought I'd ask in case.
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Til then,, Terry g
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89673 30-AUG 23:33 General Information
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RE: OS9UG (Re: Msg 89671)
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From: KSCALES To: MRUPGRADE
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> RE> OS users group & OSUG
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Terry -
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I notice that on all of your messages, most of the "9" characters seem
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to be missing. Is this a problem with your keyboard, uploading software,
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or what???
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It is very disconcerting reading through your messages when they are
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missing these "9"s. For example, the above line should probably have been:
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"> RE> OS9 users group & OS9UG"
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Read through any of the messages that you have left over the past month
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or so, and you will see what I mean.
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Regards... / Ken
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Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237
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89674 31-AUG 00:58 General Information
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RE: OS9UG (Re: Msg 89673)
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From: MRUPGRADE To: KSCALES
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Foro purposes here,, I7m shure most equate referance to OS. Though
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it may be 9 or K.
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Though the term OS-9 in the public media is generic to OS K or 9,,
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where as here or among CoCoists,, there is a difference.
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i.e. OS-9 runs on a CoCo OSK does not.
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An opinion,,, unwlecome I'm shure (but does that stop me?),,, since the OS9UG
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is admittedly looking more oto OSK,, for cleaiet
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one would think it would be appropiately named the USKUG.
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So much for symatics,,, Terry Simons UPGRADE Editor
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89675 31-AUG 01:23 General Information
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RE: OS9UG (Re: Msg 89674)
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From: MITHELEN To: MRUPGRADE
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Terry, there is no such animal as OSK... It is a slang term to describe OS-9
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for the Motorola 68000 Family of processors. There is OS-9/68000 and OS-9/6809
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(which is no longer sold/supported by Microware) OS-9 by itself refers to
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the collective varients of OS-9 for different platforms/architectures.
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The OS-9 Users Group, Inc supports OS-9, OS-9/6809, and OS-9000 EQUALLY.
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The ammount of individual support any one sub interest gets is dependant
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on what they put into the group. If users for any perticular interest
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don't join the group, then support for that interest will drop, because the
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users are not there to make that interest supported. If there is, say
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twice as many OS-9/6809 users in the group then OS-9/68000 users, then it
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would be safe to say that OS-9/6809 will get twice the support, because, the
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USERS in the groups are where the support comes from. The Officers are just
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there for the Users (members) to channel their interests through, and to
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govern the actions of the group as a whole.
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--
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Paul Jerkatis
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VP Communications
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OS-9 Users Group, Inc.
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89676 31-AUG 19:30 General Information
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RE: OS9UG (Re: Msg 89675)
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From: MRUPGRADE To: MITHELEN
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RE> There is no such animal as OSK.....
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Thanks,, I'll also inform Boisy to quite using it.
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(smurk) Terry g
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89691 1-SEP 08:07 General Information
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RE: OS9UG (Re: Msg 89674)
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From: JEJONES To: MRUPGRADE
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Are you having problems with line noise or buffer overruns? I couldn't
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quite make sense of your message.
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Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
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Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside
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89739 4-SEP 15:49 General Information
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RE: OS9UG (Re: Msg 89674)
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From: 01GEN40 To: ALL
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A short analogy... The way I see OS-9...
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Let us say, for the moment, that OS-9 is ICE CREAM. Ice cream is ice cream
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but with various flavors. There is chocolate ICE CREAM, vanilla ICE CREAM,
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neopolitan ICE CREAM...
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Now, look at OS-9... There is OS-9 L1, OS-9 L2, OS-9/68K, OS-9000... All
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of these are OS-9, they just have different flavors for individual tastes.
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LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!
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-= 01GEN40 =-
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89747 4-SEP 22:17 General Information
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RE: OS9UG (Re: Msg 89674)
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From: CPERRAULT To: MRUPGRADE
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>>one would think it would be appropriately named the OSKUG<<
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That would mean to assume that it doesn't support all forms of
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OS-9. Is that what your trying to say(even tho 100+ messages have
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already told you otherwise)?
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89769 5-SEP 18:02 General Information
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RE: OS9UG (Re: Msg 89747)
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From: MRUPGRADE To: CPERRAULT (NR)
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RE> Even tho 100+ messages have told you.....
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OK,, then let's count yours as 101.
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Evidently this UG isn't set up to "offer" anything atleast at present
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for the CoCo OS-9 user in return foro his $25. ergo,, the questio
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what do youo offer,, seems an embarrasment,, rather then a chance to
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present somtthing viable offered in return.
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So,, I'd suggested we drop it. Must you prisist this string to 101,,
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or onward to 102 times?
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enough ??? Terry Simons
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End of Thread.
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89663 30-AUG 20:36 General Information
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RE: Conference Announcement:OS-9 Late Ni (Re: Msg 89629)
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From: CPERRAULT To: DBREEDING
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>>If you are serious about programming, and especially if you are
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going to OSK, I feel that C is the way to go.<<
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I agree it is the the predominant osk language and probably
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computing language in general by now. I do plan to learn it, just not
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yet. I do think that simply encouraging people to simply switch to C
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and Dropping Basic on OSk will be kind of detrimental. I think we
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should promote more Basic programming and maybe get a basic Compilor,
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instead of having Only MW basic. Also a Pascal compilor would be nice,
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besides Mwares. Something like Turbo Pascal would be cool. We need to
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broaden our programming horizons here if we want to attract more
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|
programmers. Encouraging C is great, but we'll push more people away
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|
by keeping things narrow by encouraging C only. Basic is very portable
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in the OSK world, probably as much so as C, and within OSk is probably
|
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the biggest portability issue. I say we open up with more languages
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|
and encourage more programming. It's a better way to get programmers
|
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is the fold.
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>>As a matter of fact, Basic is not included in the Delmar
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package, so some would not be able to run your programs, which would
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limit your sales a little if you want to go commercial.<<
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|
|
|
No not true actually. I was pleasantly suprised to find out the
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Mware provides runb with Professional OS-9 so even if the system
|
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doesn't have Basic, it can run Basic programs :-)
|
|
Now if they would do the same with the Pascal run-time
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module(s?), then it(Pascal) would really be worth it!
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|
|
|
>Chris<
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|
89724 3-SEP 21:23 General Information
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|
RE: Conference Announcement:OS-9 Late Ni (Re: Msg 89663)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: CPERRAULT
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|
|
|
> I agree it is the the predominant osk language and probably
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|
> computing language in general by now.
|
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|
|
> yet. I do think that simply encouraging people to simply switch to C
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|
> and Dropping Basic on OSk will be kind of detrimental. I think we
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|
> should promote more Basic programming and maybe get a basic Compilor,
|
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> instead of having Only MW basic. Also a Pascal compilor would be nice,
|
|
> besides Mwares. Something like Turbo Pascal would be cool.
|
|
|
|
Possiby. The more variety the better, although this would probably be
|
|
a pretty big undertaking to write a new complete compiler.
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|
|
|
> No not true actually. I was pleasantly suprised to find out the
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|
> Mware provides runb with Professional OS-9 so even if the system
|
|
> doesn't have Basic, it can run Basic programs :-)
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|
|
|
Ummm... I don't have RUNB on my system (System 5), or at least it was not
|
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installed on the disk. This is the first I'd heard about runb coming with
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|
Prof. OSK. Would be nice.
|
|
|
|
|
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-- David Breeding --
|
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CompuServe : 72330,2051
|
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Delphi : DBREEDING
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|
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|
*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
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^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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|
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-*-
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|
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|
89749 4-SEP 22:17 General Information
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RE: Conference Announcement:OS-9 Late Ni (Re: Msg 89724)
|
|
From: CPERRAULT To: DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
>>although this would probably be a pretty big undertaking to
|
|
write a new complete compilor.<<
|
|
|
|
Yeah, it certainly won't be easy.
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|
|
|
>>Ummm...I don't have RUNB on my system(System 5)...<<
|
|
|
|
That's odd. I was told it was supplied by Microware, so if that
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is true, it would be in there(Ed or any other OEM wouldn't strip it
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out). Did you check all your distribution disks, and cmds directory?
|
|
Btw, how is the System V treating you? Do you have Gwindows for
|
|
it?
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|
>Chris<
|
|
|
|
-*-
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|
|
|
89764 5-SEP 09:22 General Information
|
|
RE: Conference Announcement:OS-9 Late Ni (Re: Msg 89749)
|
|
From: EDELMAR To: CPERRAULT (NR)
|
|
|
|
Chris,
|
|
|
|
MW does not include RunB (Basic) with Professional OS-9. The K&R C
|
|
Compiler is included.
|
|
|
|
Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO
|
|
|
|
-*-
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|
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89782 5-SEP 22:57 General Information
|
|
RE: Conference Announcement:OS-9 Late Ni (Re: Msg 89749)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: CPERRAULT (NR)
|
|
|
|
> >>Ummm...I don't have RUNB on my system(System 5)...<<
|
|
>
|
|
> That's odd. I was told it was supplied by Microware, so if that
|
|
> is true, it would be in there(Ed or any other OEM wouldn't strip it
|
|
> out). Did you check all your distribution disks, and cmds directory?
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|
|
|
Ed answered this question, I even checked the "OS9 Catalog" from MW,
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|
and it is not mentioned. I had never heard anywhere that it was included.
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|
|
|
> Btw, how is the System V treating you? Do you have Gwindows for
|
|
> it?
|
|
|
|
I love it. I'm really impressed. Yes, I have G-Windows. I haven't
|
|
scratched the surface of its capabilities. I keep discovering more and
|
|
more about it all the time. The only thing that I might have reservations
|
|
about is the text scrolling. It's a LITTLE slower than I would like, but
|
|
it's operating in 800x600 mode, a lot of pixels. It may be a little hard
|
|
to get screen capturing of data from a modem at 38.4 K (but in the text
|
|
screen - no prob). I grabbed a file from a local BBS using TIMKIENTZLE's
|
|
xy using Ymodem-G. I didn't time it myself, but the BBS reportd over
|
|
1600 CPS (and this was a ZIPped file, where compression didn't help much).
|
|
|
|
Graphics are fantastic. Have several GIF's that are unreal. Also have
|
|
a FLIC animation viewer. I know these don't give much toward productivity,
|
|
but we all gotta play a little <G>. RE: the graphics modes under G-W, it
|
|
CAN go to 1024 x 768. The text is really sharp, but TINEEEY!!!
|
|
|
|
I believe that anyone would be happy with any of the systems available, but
|
|
I have no regrets whatsoever about my system
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051
|
|
Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
|
|
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89783 5-SEP 22:58 General Information
|
|
RE: Conference Announcement:OS-9 Late Ni (Re: Msg 89749)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: CPERRAULT (NR)
|
|
|
|
Chris,
|
|
|
|
RE: GWindows...
|
|
|
|
One more thing I was gonna say about G-W.. after 7 or 8 years using the
|
|
CoCo's windowing system, it DOES take a little getting adjusted to the
|
|
G-Windows system. No doubt it is better, but as I said, after years of
|
|
hitting the <CLEAR> key, it's hard to break old habits <G>
|
|
|
|
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051
|
|
Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
|
|
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89664 30-AUG 20:36 Programmers Den
|
|
RE: System Calls(??????) (Re: Msg 89631)
|
|
From: CPERRAULT To: DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
>>Again, I would suggest that you look at gfx3.<<
|
|
|
|
I have it, but it doesn't support this particular call. Plus, the
|
|
whole point for me is to get familiar with writing syscall stuff.
|
|
Then, should by freak of nature I start understanding it completely,
|
|
Frank can get his article ;-)
|
|
>Chris<
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89727 3-SEP 21:25 Programmers Den
|
|
RE: System Calls(??????) (Re: Msg 89664)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: CPERRAULT
|
|
|
|
> >>Again, I would suggest that you look at gfx3.<<
|
|
>
|
|
> I have it, but it doesn't support this particular call. Plus, the
|
|
> whole point for me is to get familiar with writing syscall stuff.
|
|
|
|
No, this call was not implemented.... I never did pursue it much further,
|
|
I did add a thing or 2, but never passed it on.. been a long time..
|
|
|
|
Yeah, I can get your meaning about learning.. That's the best way to learn.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051
|
|
Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
|
|
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89665 30-AUG 20:37 General Information
|
|
RE: NitrOS9 release (Re: Msg 89644)
|
|
From: CPERRAULT To: MROWEN01
|
|
|
|
>>I believe I'm going to join the OS9 list in addition to the
|
|
Cocolist. I don't know what the traffic volume will be yet, but I'll
|
|
risk it for a bit to see what it's like.<<
|
|
|
|
Go ahead and subscribe. It can't hurt :-) I did, and the traffic
|
|
isn't really that big, but it will probably increase.
|
|
>Chris<
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89666 30-AUG 20:37 General Information
|
|
RE: (Re: Msg 89638)
|
|
From: CPERRAULT To: ALAIN1155
|
|
|
|
Join that happy Panasonic users club :-)
|
|
>Chris<
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89761 5-SEP 09:11 General Information
|
|
RE: (Re: Msg 89645)
|
|
From: ALAIN1155 To: JRUPPEL
|
|
|
|
Thanks, as i said to somebody else i do not have the RS232 Pak
|
|
|
|
Alain
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89762 5-SEP 09:12 General Information
|
|
RE: (Re: Msg 89666)
|
|
From: ALAIN1155 To: CPERRAULT (NR)
|
|
|
|
That is what i did, got a KXP-2023 works great
|
|
|
|
Alain
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89667 30-AUG 20:37 General Information
|
|
RE: OSK/AMIGA (Re: Msg 89653)
|
|
From: CPERRAULT To: DSRTFOX
|
|
|
|
>>but at $600 per copy and no 68020..<<
|
|
|
|
Yeah that is a bit limiting, but on the other hand if it's
|
|
possible to get some good cheap Amiga 500's(they are 68000 or 070
|
|
aren't they?), it may be reasonable to sell a complete hardware
|
|
Amiga/Os9 package as intro developement systems. Given my lack of
|
|
Amiga knowledge I don't know how doable that would be, but given the
|
|
assumption that you could do such a thing and price it somewhere in
|
|
the $1000 range, you might have something that would go over well at
|
|
shows. It still sounds like that will need fine tuning.
|
|
The advantage to this over getting a pt68k machine is, the amiga
|
|
already has software available, making Os-9 ports,rewrites a virtual
|
|
reality :-) Maybe having Kwindows available with it would be a good
|
|
benefit, but I'm daydreaming.....:-)
|
|
>Chris<
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89683 31-AUG 23:11 General Information
|
|
RE: OSK/AMIGA (Re: Msg 89667)
|
|
From: DSRTFOX To: CPERRAULT
|
|
|
|
The only info I've been able to find easily on the A500 as far as price
|
|
goes is that a refurbished motherboard is around $200 with 512K. So I don't
|
|
think they will be found at such a price to make a $1000 or so system feasible.
|
|
Even so, you'd only have a single floppy system, whereas the PT68K would at
|
|
least have a 20MB hard drive (or larger) for the same price. So which would
|
|
you want? And bear in mind that the Amiga is using a 640x200 monitor (640x
|
|
400 with interlacing), so can't be used with G-windows. And there is supposed
|
|
to be a version of K-Windows in the works for the Atari and PT series...
|
|
Atari version (ST) is available for 99.95 English pounds (somewhere between
|
|
$150-$200) including delivery to the US. Cumana just says that support is
|
|
limited.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89745 4-SEP 22:16 General Information
|
|
RE: OSK/AMIGA (Re: Msg 89683)
|
|
From: CPERRAULT To: DSRTFOX
|
|
|
|
>>Even so, you'd only have a single floppy system, whereas the
|
|
PT68K would at least have a 20MB hard drive (or larger) for the same
|
|
price. So which would you want?<<
|
|
|
|
Depends. If the software environment for the Amiga is good enough
|
|
it might be a good idea to go that route(if not both), even tho you
|
|
might have to pay a little more for the same hardware you'll get with
|
|
a PT68K. If Kwindows actually is going to come to the PT68K( and the
|
|
ATARI??? News to me!), I would probably rather go PT68k. I'm still
|
|
personally not to big on the pre-$1000 systems since you can get you
|
|
could get a pretty complete MM/1 at this time for $975. This is
|
|
Blackhawks limited time deal for the first 50 or so machines, but even
|
|
when this is over, the regular price is only $1125(I'm reading this
|
|
out of his add in your magazine btw ;-) ). If you add a harddrive your
|
|
probably talking an extra $200-$300 at the most. So if you already
|
|
have a CM-8(and want to stick with it for the MM/1) that means your
|
|
final cost will most likely be less than $1400 and if the drive isn't
|
|
that huge probably under $1300. Hardly too much for a computer system.
|
|
Keep in mind, I'm not saying the low cost system idea doesn't
|
|
have merit. If it can bring in some more OSK programmers that we
|
|
couldn't get otherwise, I won't complain. I just find it odd that
|
|
machines like the MM/1 and the System IV both are now competitively
|
|
priced against PC's(tell me someone isn't losing money here), and
|
|
there are still people out there who want to go OSK, but refuse to get
|
|
one of these systems because they are priced 'too high'. Keep in mind,
|
|
some of these are the same people who about a month later get a PC
|
|
with the money the 'don't have' for an OSK box. I'm the type who loses
|
|
patience with these types right about this point. If the point of the
|
|
'Under $1000' systems is to bring in new blood from outside of the
|
|
current OS-9 Community( best bet being in other Hacker communities
|
|
besides our own), it isn't a bad idea at all and I like it myself. If
|
|
it's in response to unreasonable demands of people who (and I'm not
|
|
picking on the whole Coco community. There are lots of exceptions),
|
|
think these new (and not so new) systems should be available at a
|
|
(used) Coco price, I wouldn't waste my time(nothing will make them
|
|
happy). Such time is better spent laughing at 'em <grin>.
|
|
|
|
>Chris<
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89765 5-SEP 09:22 General Information
|
|
RE: OSK/AMIGA (Re: Msg 89745)
|
|
From: EDELMAR To: CPERRAULT (NR)
|
|
|
|
Chris,
|
|
|
|
You can purchase a SYSTEM IV computer for just under $1000. This is a
|
|
complete and fully operational 68000 16 MHz system with Professional OS-9,
|
|
version 2.4. As your budget permits, for only a few hundred dollars, you
|
|
can add a hard drive and gfx later. Also, Ultra-C is available for only
|
|
$300 if purchased at the same time.
|
|
|
|
Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89778 5-SEP 21:50 General Information
|
|
RE: OSK/AMIGA (Re: Msg 89765)
|
|
From: DSRTFOX To: CPERRAULT (NR)
|
|
|
|
There is no real development environment with the Amiga version... just
|
|
"vanilla" OSK. It is difficult to build a cheap OSK system yourself at much
|
|
of a lower cost than buying one from BlackHawk or Delmar. You save just a
|
|
couple/three hundred building it yourself, so unless you are doing it for the
|
|
pleasure of building yourself, in my mind it probably isn't worth it (hackers
|
|
at heart only!) just for the savings. OSK for the PT68K series (v. 2.4) is only
|
|
$300. If you have a lot of Amiga hardware already, then it may be worth the
|
|
price to not have a second computer lying around.
|
|
|
|
Most people justify the price of a PC because they can find the software they
|
|
need to do a specific job. Get something similar to and as easy to use and
|
|
powerful as PageMaker 4.0 on the OSK machines and I will probably consider
|
|
buying one myself. At the present time, I don't see one in the near future,
|
|
not unless I start getting a LOT more subscribers than I have now (around
|
|
300, +/-20 or so, seems to be the saturation point). If I could keep an average
|
|
of 500 +/- 20 subscribers, I could justify at least one OSK machine just to
|
|
do reviews and such on. As it is, I'm running my CoCo, and using it to keep
|
|
the financial records (Dynacalc) and saubscriber database (Bob van der Poel's
|
|
mailing list program) under OS-9. PageMaker on my 486/50 produces the
|
|
mag itself (PM 4.01 on a Mac produces OS-9 Underground, by the way).
|
|
Things like TeX COULD be used, but aren't easy enough to use for this type
|
|
work (producing a magazine). I recently acquired PM 5.0, and will be getting
|
|
a laser printer soon.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89781 5-SEP 22:56 General Information
|
|
RE: OSK/AMIGA (Re: Msg 89745)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: CPERRAULT (NR)
|
|
|
|
> Depends. If the software environment for the Amiga is good enough
|
|
> it might be a good idea to go that route(if not both), even tho you
|
|
> might have to pay a little more for the same hardware you'll get with
|
|
> a PT68K. If Kwindows actually is going to come to the PT68K( and the
|
|
> ATARI??? News to me!), I would probably rather go PT68k.
|
|
|
|
About KWindows.. I, as an owner of a Delmar system, would like to see
|
|
KWindows available, to be able to run some of the s/w specific for K-W,
|
|
but you gotta see G-Windows. I'm extremely impressed.
|
|
|
|
> it's in response to unreasonable demands of people who (and I'm not
|
|
> picking on the whole Coco community. There are lots of exceptions),
|
|
> think these new (and not so new) systems should be available at a
|
|
> (used) Coco price, I wouldn't waste my time(nothing will make them
|
|
> happy). Such time is better spent laughing at 'em <grin>.
|
|
|
|
Well, to tell the truth, have you ever stopped to count up what you have
|
|
invested in your CoCo? Sure, you (and I) probably spent it a little at
|
|
a time, but my 512K HD/floppy/RBG based CoCo bought new totalled over
|
|
$1500 (quickly figuring). As I said, I didn't spend it all at one time,
|
|
but, by the same token, you can piecemeal build your OSK system, too.
|
|
With either system (MM/1, Delmar, or FHL), if you want, you can get the
|
|
case/contents and then hook your CoCo or other system to it and get
|
|
stuff done. You then have the building block to go ahead, and as money
|
|
permits, add your video and keyboard. With the Terminal setup, of course
|
|
you cannot use the advanced graphics of the systems (K-Windows or G-Windows),
|
|
but you can at least start getting the software you need and it will work.
|
|
I think a lot of the peoples' biggest hangup is the commitment.
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051
|
|
Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
|
|
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89668 30-AUG 20:38 General Information
|
|
OS-9 Late Night(Whatta night!)
|
|
From: CPERRAULT To: ALL
|
|
|
|
***OS-9 Late Night:Open Topic***
|
|
|
|
Well last nights conference came and went, and BOY did it come!
|
|
To sum it up with 1 word:SUCCESS The place was packed since 10 past 10
|
|
and went on full throttle until past 12:00 am! We didn't close up
|
|
shop until about a little after 1:00. As advertised, it was a very
|
|
open topic conference and as a matter of fact, we spent very little
|
|
time on any one topic. There was just too much energy and too much we
|
|
all had on our minds relating to the Coco community. What this tells
|
|
me is, this conference has been LOOOOOONG overdue, and when used in
|
|
conjunction with this forum and other media either offline/online that
|
|
we have at our disposal, we could have a very powerful tool for
|
|
generating activity within the community. I found that I am not the
|
|
only one who has a lot of ideas that would be nice to have carried,
|
|
and that actually many people shared the same ideas I have. Pooling
|
|
our ideas together and ACTING on them will make a big difference in
|
|
our future, and as we found out last night, there is no shortage of
|
|
them!
|
|
While it may take a couple days for me to get the transcript
|
|
online I'll post here some of the highlights of last night. Since it
|
|
was basically a free for all from beginning to end, things were quite
|
|
messy and hard to keep up with, as many different things were
|
|
happening at once(as attendees will probably agree with). I will take
|
|
a little while to clean up that huge file, and will omit things that
|
|
are of little importance. Anyway here are some highlights:
|
|
|
|
Brother Jeremy brought up that we should embark on a project too
|
|
port/rewrite some of the better DECB apps(with permission) to OS-9
|
|
using his Max-10 project as an example. I agree and am behind him and
|
|
everyone else who would like to organize such a thing. I was
|
|
commenting that maybe they could write up a plan of attack and who to
|
|
contact for permission for their programs and then get a group of us
|
|
together to do the porting-rewriting. We could then dedicate the end
|
|
of each weeks conference, or better yet set up a seperate sub
|
|
conference on this project, in order to get together and update
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|
eachother. Personally I won't be able to do such a thing myself
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|
anytime soon, or I'll just be spreading myself too thin with the
|
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programming and projects I am currently involved in. I would love to
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jump into such a thing when I get free time tho. I see this as a sort
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of long term, slowly-but-surely project which could be run at the
|
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convenience of the participants, not really something needed at this
|
|
second. Anyhow, IF someone decides to take on such a project, I hope
|
|
it works out. We all need the software.
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|
|
|
Alan Dekok and Colin McKay made a somewhat surprise appearance
|
|
last night and announced 'Tune Up' from their Northern Exposure
|
|
company. This is actually Alans project which he was motivated to do,
|
|
by recent messages to him on the Cocolist from people who wanted to
|
|
see a Nitros9 type package for 6809 stock OS-9 Level II. What this
|
|
will be when he finishes it will be a bunch of patches to stock OS-9
|
|
modules so they will run a decent rate faster than they do now, but
|
|
keep in mind, it is no NITROS9. This is simply for people who don't
|
|
want to or can't go to a 6309 Nitros9. This will give them a decent
|
|
speed increase, but it will not be comparable to Nitros9. Alan will be
|
|
back in about two to three weeks to announce the release of the new
|
|
NITROS9 Package and Tune Up and to answer any questions. Hopefully
|
|
Colin and perhaps some other on the Northern Exposure team will be
|
|
back with him! I found out last night that these guys sure keep
|
|
themselves busy! Thanks to Ken Scales for letting them use his
|
|
account. While I just got off the phone with Alan maybe a couple hours
|
|
before the conference started, I wasn't expecting him and Colin to
|
|
show. They sure made a great conference even better! I can't to hear
|
|
what they have in the works for Northern Exposure in a couple weeks.
|
|
|
|
Alan mentioned the new update to shell+(v2.2 I think) that Curtis
|
|
Boyle did. I guess it has already been out for a bit, but this was the
|
|
first I heard of it. Was there any mention of it here in forum?
|
|
|
|
We later on discussed bootdisks as planned, and talked about the
|
|
ability to use a 3 1/2" as bootdisk /d0 and the many ways to go about
|
|
doing it. I don't really need this myself but will probably toy around
|
|
with such a project sometime just to get my hands dirty on such a
|
|
project<shouldn't be THAT hard>.
|
|
|
|
The next 'OS-9 Live!' will be held on Saturday September 17
|
|
hosted by Boisy Pitre as usual, and Joel Hegberg will be in attendance
|
|
also. The subject is going to be 'The Future of Personal OS-9'. As
|
|
usual, I plan on being here for this one, unless something comes up.
|
|
September seems to be a great month shaping up for conferences. Let's
|
|
see, Northern Exposure will be there, ACS may be represented at the
|
|
Atlanta fest conference, the next OS-9 Live will probably be the
|
|
biggest conference of the year, given the subject. Plus with the
|
|
Programming Discussion for our next conference to start us off this
|
|
coming Monday, we are looking perty darn good. Hopefully another
|
|
Town Meeting will be held by the OS-9 Users Group sometime in the
|
|
course of the month.
|
|
|
|
With a little coaxing on the part of Jim Vestal and Mike Owen,
|
|
OS-9 Late Night is going WEEKLY! I guess you guys really twisted my
|
|
arm ;-) Jim has offered to host some of the nights where I might not
|
|
be able to make so things will work out rather nicely. There really is
|
|
just so much material and events that we would have to do a lot of
|
|
squeazing within the biweekly schedual, and a lot of stuff still won't
|
|
be covered. Plus even if I don't have a dedicated topic, we do want to
|
|
get a lot of open topic nights like we had last night just so people
|
|
can have a conference to go to for general Coco/OS-9 Chat and such.
|
|
|
|
Jim also mentioned an idea of getting a C++ library ported to OS-
|
|
9. Sounds like an interesting idea, but since I know nada on C++
|
|
there's not much I can add to this. If you get any ideas, maybe you
|
|
could leave him some in forum(I'd be interested in following the
|
|
topic). Correction, it is Turbo C, not C++ he was talking about.
|
|
|
|
Frank, editor of The World of 68 Micros Magazine agreed having a
|
|
conference on said magazine(and I propose we have another conference
|
|
on Farna Systems or have one conference covering both). Jim, assistant
|
|
editor of 'The International OS-9 Underground' also brought up the
|
|
possibility of a conference for the zine he works with. Look for both
|
|
of these sometime in the near future, as both are likely. Of course, I
|
|
propose we hold them both on the same night so we can watch a grudge
|
|
match between the competition but ...(so much for my imagination) (Big
|
|
Grin)
|
|
|
|
Well, there was a lot more talked about, but you'll see that in
|
|
the transcript, once I get it cleaned up. What have I learned from
|
|
this first conference? Well, we definately need to communicate our
|
|
ideas MUCH more and start ACTING on them. With the backing of the UG
|
|
and a number of different publications at our disposal(something we
|
|
really didn't have to our advantage in the Rainbow era), there is no
|
|
reason we can't make OS-9 and it's community shine. I eagerly await
|
|
some of the conferences coming up with those that are VERY ACTIVE in
|
|
the community to see what they have to say! Also, there is so much out
|
|
there we don't know about, that we do need our vendors to promote more
|
|
often. Hopefully this conference can fill some gaps. For instance some
|
|
people don't even know there are Magazines still out there, or that
|
|
the Ken-Ton Harddrive system is still available through Farna Systems,
|
|
or that Rick's Computer Enterprises now carries the Sundog Game
|
|
Catalog,etc...You get my point. One of the reasons people think
|
|
nothing exists for the Coco or OS-9 is because they don't know where
|
|
to find it, or who to go to. I'm starting to appreciate the new OS-9
|
|
Source Book idea even better now.
|
|
|
|
Well, that wraps this message up. Come again next Monday Night at
|
|
10:00 as Jim and myself hold a discussion on programming for OS-9
|
|
level II. Also, keep an eye out for my Conference schedual I will soon
|
|
be posting. It will list all the conferences planned thus far for the
|
|
month of September.
|
|
|
|
See Ya
|
|
>Chris<
|
|
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|
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|
|
|
|
89685 31-AUG 23:23 General Information
|
|
RE: OS-9 Late Night(Whatta night!) (Re: Msg 89668)
|
|
From: DSRTFOX To: CPERRAULT
|
|
|
|
Chris, I'm willing to hold the magazine conference along with OS-9 Underground
|
|
(Jim Vestal). I don't have a problem with that! We pretty much complement
|
|
each other.. when OS-9 Under actually prints! (couldn't help that... but there
|
|
HAS been regularity problems in publishing... the main reason I chose 8 issues
|
|
per year instead of 12)
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89686 31-AUG 23:45 General Information
|
|
RE: OS-9 Late Night(Whatta night!) (Re: Msg 89668)
|
|
From: WA2EGP To: CPERRAULT
|
|
|
|
Well, I dropped in for a few minutes and I had trouble following all the
|
|
different conversations. Kinda like having a hearing aid and going to a
|
|
crowded party......couldn't follow half of what went on. BUT it was
|
|
interesting and I will drop in again and possibly open my mouth, ah type
|
|
something. Nice to see the crowd. (Gee, how many can you fit into a
|
|
Delphi conference room?)
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89693 1-SEP 09:51 General Information
|
|
RE: OS-9 Late Night(Whatta night!) (Re: Msg 89686)
|
|
From: MROWEN01 To: WA2EGP
|
|
|
|
You should definitely drop in on the conferences. If you come in late
|
|
it can be confusing, but if you stay with it, it will start to make sense.
|
|
One of the reasons it was confused is that multiple conversations take
|
|
place, especially when the topic is completely open. When a topic is fixed,
|
|
the moderator usually let's the scheduled expert explain the topic and then
|
|
it is opened up for questions. If you have any questions while you're in a
|
|
conference, by all means jump there. That's the best way to get aquainted.
|
|
You shoulod probably download the transcript of the conference too. That might
|
|
help you sort out what was talked about. If you have more questions, drop
|
|
either Chris or myself a note or post it in the forum. These conferences
|
|
are really worth while, especially for people like me who are just
|
|
learning. I don't know the limit for a conference either. I'll be interested
|
|
to see the answer myself.
|
|
|
|
Hope to see you again in conference :)
|
|
|
|
Mike Rowen
|
|
|
|
MROWEN01@delphi.com
|
|
wz3c0w@fwa.natp.gmeds.com
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89698 2-SEP 00:08 General Information
|
|
RE: OS-9 Late Night(Whatta night!) (Re: Msg 89693)
|
|
From: WA2EGP To: MROWEN01
|
|
|
|
I was just commenting on my case of "overload" due to the number of
|
|
participants....in (I hope) a jesting manner. It was darn good to see
|
|
the crowd. I just hope of the new comers to OS-9 are not intimidated by the
|
|
size of the group. ^ all
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89716 3-SEP 13:39 General Information
|
|
RE: OS-9 Late Night(Whatta night!) (Re: Msg 89668)
|
|
From: JEVESTAL To: CPERRAULT
|
|
|
|
> ***OS-9 Late Night:Open Topic***
|
|
> ... The next 'OS-9 Live!' will be held on Saturday September 17
|
|
|
|
So there is not a conf. this Saturday, Sept. 3?
|
|
|
|
I thought OS-9 LIVE was supposed by bi-monthly.
|
|
|
|
> hosted by Boisy Pitre as usual, and Joel Hegberg will be in attendance
|
|
> also. The subject is going to be 'The Future of Personal OS-9'. As
|
|
> usual, I plan on being here for this one, unless something comes up.
|
|
> September seems to be a great month shaping up for conferences. Let's
|
|
> see, Northern Exposure will be there, ACS may be represented at the
|
|
> Atlanta fest conference, the next OS-9 Live will probably be the
|
|
> biggest conference of the year, given the subject. Plus with the
|
|
> Programming Discussion for our next conference to start us off this
|
|
> coming Monday, we are looking perty darn good. Hopefully another
|
|
> Town Meeting will be held by the OS-9 Users Group sometime in the
|
|
> course of the month.
|
|
|
|
I plan to be there for all the conferences. I usually forget about the
|
|
OS-9 Live conferance until about the last 1/2 hour and I miss most
|
|
of it. Hopefully I can be there fot the next one.
|
|
|
|
> Jim also mentioned an idea of getting a C++ library ported to OS-
|
|
> 9. Sounds like an interesting idea, but since I know nada on C++
|
|
> there's not much I can add to this. If you get any ideas, maybe you
|
|
> could leave him some in forum(I'd be interested in following the
|
|
> topic). Correction, it is Turbo C, not C++ he was talking about.
|
|
|
|
I'm writing a TURBO C cross-library for OS-9 Level 2 windows. This
|
|
will allow Turbo "conio.h" functions to compile under OS-9 C and run
|
|
properly on a Level 2 window. It can easily be ported to OS-9 K-windows
|
|
too.
|
|
|
|
It was mentioned that I would love to see a C++ compiler (or filter
|
|
similar to ANSIFRONT) for the Microware C. I love how ANSIFRONT performs.
|
|
|
|
> Frank, editor of The World of 68 Micros Magazine agreed having a
|
|
> conference on said magazine(and I propose we have another conference
|
|
> on Farna Systems or have one conference covering both). Jim, assistant
|
|
> editor of 'The International OS-9 Underground' also brought up the
|
|
> possibility of a conference for the zine he works with. Look for both
|
|
> of these sometime in the near future, as both are likely. Of course, I
|
|
> propose we hold them both on the same night so we can watch a grudge
|
|
> match between the competition but ...(so much for my imagination) (Big
|
|
> Grin)
|
|
|
|
Anything is possible! We might even be able to get Zog to show up that
|
|
night, so don't be suprized if Alan should pop up.
|
|
|
|
> Well, that wraps this message up. Come again next Monday Night at
|
|
> 10:00 as Jim and myself hold a discussion on programming for OS-9
|
|
> level II. Also, keep an eye out for my Conference schedual I will soon
|
|
> be posting. It will list all the conferences planned thus far for the
|
|
> month of September.
|
|
|
|
I will be there! Look forward to it.
|
|
|
|
Jim
|
|
|
|
======================== InfoXpress 01.01.00 OS-9/6809 ======================
|
|
| Narnia BBS: 11pm-7am PDT serving CoCo OS-9 users
|
|
----|---- StG network: sysop@Narnia "Exclusively OS-9"
|
|
| Delphi: JEVestal@delphi.com
|
|
Marysville, CA InterNet: JEVestal@narnia.wa.com
|
|
| or : JEVestal@citrus.sac.ca.us
|
|
(916) 743-2617 Voice: 7am-11pm PDT :1 Corinthians 1:18 & Romans 1:16
|
|
=============================================================================
|
|
Jim Vestal: Assistant editor of The International OS-9 Underground,
|
|
"Magazine dedicated to OS-9/OSK Users Everywhere
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89746 4-SEP 22:16 General Information
|
|
RE: OS-9 Late Night(Whatta night!) (Re: Msg 89686)
|
|
From: CPERRAULT To: WA2EGP
|
|
|
|
>>Well, I dropped in for a few minutes and I had trouble
|
|
following all the different conversations.<<
|
|
|
|
Yeah it did get pretty twisted<grin>. I'm STILL editing the
|
|
logfile! It's HUGE(had to vsplit it). I liked it tho. It showed there
|
|
was still plenty of interest in getting together and accomplishing
|
|
things. The moderated conferences will be much easier to follow as you
|
|
basically have the guest host(speaker) start things off, and then the
|
|
rest will be a q+a session. It will follow a format so things don't go
|
|
wild. Open topic conferences will be a chance to just go wild I guess
|
|
:-) It's a good time to bring them nagging questions.
|
|
|
|
>>Gee, how many can you fit into a Delphi conference room?<<
|
|
|
|
There's no set number as I understand it. It all depends on how
|
|
the rest of Delphi is populated. It is like OS-9. There is no set
|
|
limit to how many windows you can have open, assuming the memory is
|
|
there. If there is a lot of activity elsewhere(as there usually is at
|
|
night) it is going to limit the amount we can have before we start
|
|
slowing down. I remember hearing about a conference,in I THINK it was
|
|
the Atari Sig. They had about 30+ people there and came pretty close
|
|
to shutting down the whole system(I don't think anyone could even log
|
|
in for the rest of the night). This system,as much as I love it, needs
|
|
work.
|
|
>Chris<
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89748 4-SEP 22:17 General Information
|
|
RE: OS-9 Late Night(Whatta night!) (Re: Msg 89716)
|
|
From: CPERRAULT To: JEVESTAL
|
|
|
|
>>I thought OS-9 LIVE was supposed by bi-monthly.<<
|
|
|
|
It is monthly if I remember correctly.
|
|
|
|
>>, so don't be suprized if Alan should pop up.<<
|
|
|
|
That would be neat. I haven't talked to Alan in a while. Maybe he
|
|
can jump in more often :-)
|
|
>Chris<
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89669 30-AUG 20:38 Applications (6809)
|
|
RE: DMode (Re: Msg 89658)
|
|
From: MITHELEN To: MROWEN01
|
|
|
|
Even though AR will complain about the Xmodem padding at the end, it WILL
|
|
extract the files without any problems. It just reports that it found
|
|
something that it didn't reconize at the end.
|
|
--
|
|
Paul
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89741 4-SEP 17:05 Applications (6809)
|
|
RE: DMode (Re: Msg 89657)
|
|
From: BILL32H To: MMCCLELLAND
|
|
|
|
Load obj modules and save them "This will knock off the pading Q&D"
|
|
If you must diddle load ded / del ded / save ded ded
|
|
then use ded as perscribed. dmode is probbaly in tact unless it is last in the
|
|
arc
|
|
if so load and save "Remember Save filepath modulenam e remember to se
|
|
t
|
|
attr's as pe e pr r pw w no share's
|
|
Confused yet ?
|
|
|
|
|
|
do this ar -x ded
|
|
load ded
|
|
del ded
|
|
save ded ded
|
|
attr ded pe e pr r pw w
|
|
ded [filename]
|
|
oh by the way read the docs !!!!!!!!!
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89678 31-AUG 22:15 General Information
|
|
RE: Sculptor (Re: Msg 89642)
|
|
From: NEALSTEWARD To: EDELMAR
|
|
|
|
Do you have v.1.16 for the 6809 available? If so, how much? As far as
|
|
applications, anyone could run them with the correct run-time package,
|
|
correct?
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89679 31-AUG 22:20 General Information
|
|
RE: sidewise and business software. (Re: Msg 89649)
|
|
From: NEALSTEWARD To: DSRTFOX
|
|
|
|
Will do, I couldn't do anything until I solved my hardware problems, and
|
|
before that I totally spaced when I couldn't generate a floppy boot on
|
|
my RGB/Ken-Ton system. I need a kick in the right direction, and now that
|
|
I have some utils to insert/remove the kernal reliably, I can generate
|
|
the boot I need. I did find an error in the AL3 documentation regarding
|
|
the module sizes of shell.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89680 31-AUG 22:22 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: info express (Re: Msg 89630)
|
|
From: JEJONES To: DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
> Nice? Guess you think a Ferarri is a "nice" car, James? ;-)
|
|
|
|
I don't drive, so I couldn't say about the Ferarri. :-)
|
|
|
|
Seriously, InfoXpress is a program I use daily, and it's hard for me
|
|
to imagine going back to life without it.
|
|
|
|
Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
|
|
|
|
Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89726 3-SEP 21:25 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: info express (Re: Msg 89680)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: JEJONES
|
|
|
|
> Seriously, InfoXpress is a program I use daily, and it's hard for me
|
|
> to imagine going back to life without it.
|
|
|
|
Right. You develop a real dependence on it. I can only kick myself for
|
|
waiting around to order and now I may have to wait till Bill gets his
|
|
supply system set back up.. Like you, I'd hate to do without it.
|
|
|
|
Not sure that it saves you money, it seems that I just do more modeming <G>
|
|
- but I certainly get more done for the same (maybe less) bucks. I'd say
|
|
a msg that you can upload in 10 seconds would take 3-5 minutes (or more)
|
|
to compose online, and you can compose better messages, too, although I
|
|
still seem to put out jibberish at times even with offline composition <G>..
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051
|
|
Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
|
|
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89681 31-AUG 22:28 OSK Applications
|
|
LII SETSST/GETSTT Codes
|
|
From: VAXELF To: ALL
|
|
|
|
I am port some basic09 routines over to OSK Basic. These have SYSCALL
|
|
calls in them. Most of the syscall codes, I have figured out. Here is what I
|
|
have need:
|
|
|
|
SYSCALL Callcode - $15 What is it?
|
|
|
|
GetSst/SetSst codes
|
|
|
|
$1F
|
|
$17
|
|
$18
|
|
$19
|
|
$91
|
|
$98
|
|
|
|
Also what is the OSK version of:
|
|
|
|
F$NMLink
|
|
F$NMLoad
|
|
|
|
As for the GetSst/SetSst codes, I think $91 is READ PALLETE, but not
|
|
sure. $17 & $18 in the OSK Manual is SS_WFM & SS_RFM. According to the
|
|
Basic09 code $17 is SET TO BINARY and $18 is SET TO ASCII.
|
|
|
|
Also could someone post the calling parameters for SS_Size under LII.
|
|
I think LII splits the results into the x & u registers, where the OSK
|
|
version is all in one resgister d2.l . I think I do away with the code that
|
|
either splits the value into reg.lx & reg.lu or combines the two, since
|
|
the OSK version is already a long reg.
|
|
|
|
Thanks in advance.
|
|
|
|
John D.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89684 31-AUG 23:21 OSK Applications
|
|
RE: LII SETSST/GETSTT Codes (Re: Msg 89681)
|
|
From: RANDYKWILSON To: VAXELF
|
|
|
|
John,
|
|
|
|
Sys code $15 is F$Time.
|
|
|
|
For F$NM*, use the correct link/load call. No need for the "no map" versions
|
|
with OSK (being a flat map).
|
|
|
|
Correct on the SS.Size stuff. X is the high 16 bits, U is the low. Trash it all
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and use the single 32 bit D2.
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Randy
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89695 1-SEP 22:06 OSK Applications
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RE: LII SETSST/GETSTT Codes (Re: Msg 89684)
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|
From: VAXELF To: RANDYKWILSON
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|
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|
What about $17, $18, $19, $91, $98 GetSst/SetSst codes????
|
|
|
|
John D
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89696 1-SEP 22:44 OSK Applications
|
|
RE: LII SETSST/GETSTT Codes (Re: Msg 89695)
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From: RANDYKWILSON To: VAXELF
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|
|
|
John,
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Get/Setstat calls are not unique. The same number can mean different things
|
|
to different drivers/managers. I think it's safe to assume the $91 and $98 are
|
|
being written to a cc3io device (screen) and are SS.Palet and SS.Tone. The
|
|
other three are a little harder. $17, $18, and $19 show up in my lists as tape
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drive (SBF) calls. I don't think this fits with your project.
|
|
Are you sure these are getstat calls? If so, what device is the path
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opened to (reg A)?
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|
Randy
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89703 2-SEP 23:40 OSK Applications
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|
RE: LII SETSST/GETSTT Codes (Re: Msg 89696)
|
|
From: VAXELF To: RANDYKWILSON
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|
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|
Thanks for the response. Looking at the basic09 program, I noticed
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it has a comment line before the $17 & $18 SetSst calls
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|
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|
$17 "Set to Ascii
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|
$18 "Set to Binary"
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|
|
|
There were no comments for $19 & $1F.
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|
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According to my OSK Manual, $17 & $18 ar Tape Commands.
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|
|
|
Having another problem too. These basic09 routines call some 6809
|
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assembly code routines. I used "xlate" to translate them to 68000 and
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have them compiled. I think the front end where the assembly code gets
|
|
the varibles passed by basic may be the problem. If I sent you a file
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|
with the basic delcarations, call sequence, and source of assembly
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routine, could you take a look and see what the problem is???
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|
|
|
I am attempting to port the RIBBS BBS software over to OSK. A good
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|
FIDO compatable BBS is one of the things missing for OSK. Once the
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|
RIBBS BBS is ported over to the MM/1, then the plan is to make a version
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|
that does not rely on MM/1 KWindow commands, so OSK_RIBBS can run on
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any OSK system. After that, the plan is to rewrite the BBS into C and
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|
go from there.
|
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It looks like I have most of it working, except those few GetSst/SetSst
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calls and the assembly routines.
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|
All of the assembly routines front end code is almost identical. It
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|
only varies as to how many varibles are passed. I feel once the first
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routine is working, then it will be only a matter making the same modes
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|
to the other assembly routines, recompile, and go for it.
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|
I think we are real close now at having a beta version of RIBBS for OSK.
|
|
|
|
Anyone else that reads this message is welcome to help out with this
|
|
problem too.
|
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|
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|
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|
|
John D.
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|
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|
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89704 3-SEP 00:22 OSK Applications
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|
RE: LII SETSST/GETSTT Codes (Re: Msg 89703)
|
|
From: RANDYKWILSON To: VAXELF
|
|
|
|
Sure, John, fire it on over here. Needed will be the 6809 source, a sample
|
|
B09 call to it (with explaination of the var types used), and optionally the
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|
results of xlate.
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|
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|
wasn't sure if you wanted the project mentioned in public. But no that you
|
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have, I will say that I went through all of my serial driver stuff looking for
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|
those calls, and didn't find them. The only driver I do not have is proAcia.
|
|
|
|
Randy
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|
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|
|
89719 3-SEP 16:40 OSK Applications
|
|
RE: LII SETSST/GETSTT Codes (Re: Msg 89704)
|
|
From: VAXELF To: RANDYKWILSON
|
|
|
|
I think I have found at least one of the problems. I created a simple
|
|
Basic program that setup a TYPE array and a STRING. These are sent to
|
|
a assembly routine that reads the array varibles, the string, then sends
|
|
the string to I$Write to be printed on the terminal. First problem is my
|
|
basic program generates a 043 Error when it tries to access the sample
|
|
assembly code routine. I tried both putting the assembly routine in
|
|
DD/CMDS and loading it inot memory. Either way it failed to find it.
|
|
The MW Basic manual does not give what the stack parameters are for a
|
|
assembly routine to find the data passed to it.
|
|
I can send you the sample assembly routine and both the sample assembly
|
|
source and binary. The assembly routine front end is identical to the
|
|
translated 6809 to 68000 routines. The comments contain the 6809 code.
|
|
I need to figure out why the routines are not being found by Basic,
|
|
they may work, if basic can access them.
|
|
In the back of the Basic book is a source listing of SYSCALL. I did
|
|
notice it uses a
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|
|
|
org 0
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|
|
|
statement. may try that in the sample code.
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|
|
|
I'll send the testasm.b and the asmtest.a for you look at and test.
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|
|
|
John D.
|
|
|
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|
|
|
|
89721 3-SEP 17:22 OSK Applications
|
|
RE: LII SETSST/GETSTT Codes (Re: Msg 89704)
|
|
From: VAXELF To: RANDYKWILSON
|
|
|
|
Your mailbox is fully. I can not send the file to you via email.
|
|
|
|
John D.
|
|
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|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89722 3-SEP 19:24 OSK Applications
|
|
RE: LII SETSST/GETSTT Codes (Re: Msg 89721)
|
|
From: RANDYKWILSON To: VAXELF
|
|
|
|
Hmmm, my mailbox is empty, just checked. Musta been a Delphi hiccup. Try again
|
|
please.
|
|
|
|
Randy
|
|
|
|
-*-
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|
|
|
89723 3-SEP 19:26 OSK Applications
|
|
RE: LII SETSST/GETSTT Codes (Re: Msg 89721)
|
|
From: RANDYKWILSON To: VAXELF
|
|
|
|
John, did a bit of checking. There used to be a RANDYWILSON on Delphi.
|
|
Apparently no long is, and can not recieve new mail. I'm RANDYKWILSON.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Randy
|
|
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|
|
|
89737 4-SEP 12:49 OSK Applications
|
|
RE: LII SETSST/GETSTT Codes (Re: Msg 89723)
|
|
From: VAXELF To: RANDYKWILSON
|
|
|
|
I see, btw I found one of my problems. Looking closer at the SYSCALL
|
|
source listing in the Basic Manual, the psect line uses different varibles
|
|
than is used for stand alone programs. I recoded the asmtest.a with the
|
|
changes and now basic can find it, but I still get errors.
|
|
|
|
Edition equ 0
|
|
Typ_lang equ (Sbrtn<<8)!Objct
|
|
AttrRev equ ((ReEnt)<<8)!1
|
|
Stack equ 0
|
|
|
|
Also noticed that D0 will have the number of varibles passed to the M/L.
|
|
|
|
This is as far as I can get. What I need is the complete stack layout of
|
|
what is on which register and ect.
|
|
I have a copy of the old Basic09 Tour Guide and it shows the registers
|
|
for 6809 M/L that is passed from basic.
|
|
I suppect that if someone took "Cstart.a" from C, they could come up
|
|
with a "Bstart.a", that would allow you to use C to make M/L routines for
|
|
Basic.
|
|
If your interested in being a RIBBS_OSK Beta tester, let me know.
|
|
|
|
Sorry about the mix up. I flaty did not notice the K in your username.
|
|
|
|
John D.
|
|
|
|
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|
|
|
|
89771 5-SEP 20:20 OSK Applications
|
|
RE: LII SETSST/GETSTT Codes (Re: Msg 89719)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: VAXELF
|
|
|
|
RE: Error 043 in Basic09
|
|
|
|
One thing you might check for: Basic generates this error if you try
|
|
to access a module (map it into the address space) and there is not an
|
|
8K block to map it into. If you have PMap, check out your address space.
|
|
If so can you merge it with another module/group of modules?
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|
|
|
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051
|
|
Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
|
|
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89773 5-SEP 20:53 OSK Applications
|
|
RE: LII SETSST/GETSTT Codes (Re: Msg 89771)
|
|
From: VAXELF To: DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
Found the fix. It seems M/L modules's psec header must contain certain
|
|
info or Basic will not reconize it as a subroutine. Page A-19 of the MW
|
|
Basic Manual for OSK, has the source code for OSK version of SYSCALL.
|
|
In it was the correct code for the header. A couple of other users have
|
|
since told me how the data is passed.
|
|
Thanks for the reply. This project now has a light at the end of the
|
|
tunnel. Soon I'll be able to let everyone know what's up.
|
|
|
|
John D.
|
|
|
|
-*-
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|
|
|
End of Thread.
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|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89682 31-AUG 22:50 General Information
|
|
RE: Crashed Coco3 (Re: Msg 89648)
|
|
From: NEALSTEWARD To: DSRTFOX
|
|
|
|
Moved upgraded PAL from malfunctioning MPI to replacement MPI. They were
|
|
both the old style that just needed the PAL plugged into the socket. The
|
|
old MPI and Coco 3 are now going to "parts" machines to keep the new ones
|
|
up & running. I have exhausted my resources trying to determine what
|
|
went wrong with these, short of paying ACTUAL money to have them repaired.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89690 1-SEP 05:51 General Information
|
|
RE: Crashed Coco3 (Re: Msg 89682)
|
|
From: COCOKIWI To: NEALSTEWARD
|
|
|
|
the problems with these are usualy the 74LS367 chips<interface>that go
|
|
between the CoCo and the MPI..replacing them with the HCT version solves
|
|
most problems!I have one of those,I repaired it a LONG time ago when it
|
|
died.....the other problem is the TANDY gold contacts on the edge connector
|
|
which causes the above problem<zapped chips>...I used a small cable 40pin
|
|
with pin type sockets at each end..replace the CoCo-3 socket with a right
|
|
angle 40 pin connector kind you find on PC,s...using a straight 40 pin
|
|
solder it directly to the edge connectors on the MPI.....if you need to
|
|
use the CoCo directly a small cable with a 40pin socket on the end will
|
|
work<an old Y connector will work fine>....with this setup you will do
|
|
away with the cause of BLOWN 74ls367 chips.....
|
|
|
|
Dennis...My one has been working now for like 6 years!now..
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89706 3-SEP 01:17 General Information
|
|
RE: Crashed Coco3 (Re: Msg 89690)
|
|
From: NEALSTEWARD To: COCOKIWI
|
|
|
|
Is that in the Coco or the MPI? Both are fried, I might try a few things
|
|
to fix them, but more than likely I will keep 'em around for parts.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89709 3-SEP 04:38 General Information
|
|
RE: Crashed Coco3 (Re: Msg 89706)
|
|
From: COCOKIWI To: NEALSTEWARD
|
|
|
|
OH! BOTH..of em .Eh..Ah.So......replace the CoCo-3 CPU...sounds like the
|
|
MPI parted company with the CoCo while it was ON!<grin> common problem!
|
|
the pins off centre cause problems shorting out the lines..the HALT line
|
|
in the CPU usualy goes high and stays there...putting the CPU in permant
|
|
Halt mode!and the lines to the BUFFERS get zapped also killing the MPI!
|
|
good excuse to put a socket in place of the 6809E since it is zapped!
|
|
if it still dont work,replace the 74ls244 chip in the CoCo-3..last is
|
|
the GIMI chip,I have not seen one go bad because of this yet!<and I have
|
|
zapped mine a couple of times!<G>>
|
|
Dennis
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89787 5-SEP 23:11 General Information
|
|
RE: Crashed Coco3 (Re: Msg 89709)
|
|
From: NEALSTEWARD To: COCOKIWI (NR)
|
|
|
|
The coco 3 still works "some of the time". This I remind you is an
|
|
intermittant problem and that is why it is so hard to troubleshoot.
|
|
Rather than mess with it anymore, I just replaced it. Before I switched
|
|
coco's, I did install a brand new 6809 in the socket to see if the 6309
|
|
was blown, but no change. And the problem is amplified by having the MPI
|
|
plugged in with the SCII in slot 4. The toughest part of this whole mess
|
|
is the way some hardware set ups would work while others wouldn't, and
|
|
some would some of the time. The #$%$ with it, I just replaced the coco
|
|
and MPI and all is fine now. I will install the 6309 next week when I
|
|
get a gold plated 40 pin socket. After I have that working, then I will
|
|
reinstall my 2 meg upgrade.
|
|
|
|
|
|
-*-
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|
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|
End of Thread.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89687 1-SEP 00:50 Applications (6809)
|
|
RE: Database Deletion of DScan V4.0!! (Re: Msg 89612)
|
|
From: TIMKIENTZLE To: KSCALES
|
|
|
|
Ken,
|
|
I'd be interested in hearing about this new OSTerm/68k. I always
|
|
thought OSTerm/Tascom had a lot of potential, but fell down in
|
|
the details (file transfer bugs, emulation bugs, etc.). I'd
|
|
be interested to hear that someone addressed those problems.
|
|
- Tim
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89738 4-SEP 15:21 Applications (6809)
|
|
RE: Database Deletion of DScan V4.0!! (Re: Msg 89612)
|
|
From: 01GEN40 To: KSCALES
|
|
|
|
Hi Ken,
|
|
|
|
Message received and understood... Now for a question that has been
|
|
nagging me for a couple of years now...
|
|
|
|
Why is it that I am seeing software written machine specific, ie: for MM/1?
|
|
Are not all the 68XXX processors backward compatible such as the unINTELagent
|
|
X86 chips? If software cannot be made to run on ALL 68XXX machines, with
|
|
something like an environment file to tell it what chip is used, I see no way
|
|
for OS-9 (in whatever form it is in) to become competative with MS-DOS or
|
|
WINDOWS. Is there, also, an OS-9 that runs on an MM/1 and another that runs
|
|
on say a Delmar machine?
|
|
I just baught a motherboard that will accept up to a 486 DX2/50Mhz chip for
|
|
which I plan on running OS-9000 on some day when it becomes more personally
|
|
affordable. At this time, it is too expensive for personal use. In the mean
|
|
time, I will be running DR-DOS V6.0, not messy-dog. Gotta go, see ya.
|
|
|
|
LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!
|
|
|
|
-= 01GEN40 =-
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89742 4-SEP 17:38 Applications (6809)
|
|
RE: Database Deletion of DScan V4.0!! (Re: Msg 89738)
|
|
From: MRGOOD To: 01GEN40 (NR)
|
|
|
|
The problem isn;t CPU compatibility, it's "enhancements" compatibility
|
|
that's the problem. So, stuff written for K-windows won't work
|
|
with G-windows. I for one would like to see ONE standard windowing
|
|
interface. The last thing I want to see is lowest common
|
|
denominator text screen based stuff.
|
|
|
|
Hugo
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89743 4-SEP 20:10 Applications (6809)
|
|
RE: Database Deletion of DScan V4.0!! (Re: Msg 89738)
|
|
From: KSCALES To: 01GEN40 (NR)
|
|
|
|
A detailed answer to your questions could be quite lengthy, but I will try
|
|
to provide the major points here.
|
|
|
|
> Why is it that I am seeing software written machine specific, ie: for
|
|
> MM/1?
|
|
|
|
Mostly because the MM/1 comes equipped with a configuration that includes
|
|
colour graphics, sound, etc., BUT these can ONLY be accessed using
|
|
system software (K-Windows) that is not available on the other machines.
|
|
|
|
The other systems can also be configured for colour graphics and sound.
|
|
But, rather than having K-Windows, they generally have an alternate
|
|
(optional; purchased separately) windowing system, G-Windows.
|
|
|
|
The two windowing systems are not compatible.
|
|
|
|
The MM/1 users like K-Windows, because it came with their systems, is
|
|
very similar to CoCo Level 2 windows, and includes a basic development
|
|
library for them to hack with. They do not tend to like G-Windows because
|
|
it costs extra, the development package is sold separately, and it pushes
|
|
the MM/1 hardware to the extreme of its limits (especially display
|
|
resolution).
|
|
|
|
Owners of the Delmar/PT/CDS and FHL systems like G-Windows because it
|
|
is available for their machines, and is a sophisticated, powerful
|
|
environment quite similar to X-Windows, and includes a desktop GUI.
|
|
They do not like K-Windows because it is not available for their machines
|
|
yet, and will cost extra when it becomes available anyways.
|
|
|
|
This is currently the major source for system-specific versions of
|
|
software being developed. It is hurting us all, IMHO.
|
|
|
|
> Are not all the 68XXX processors backward compatible such as the
|
|
> unINTELagent X86 chips? If software cannot be made to run on ALL 68XXX
|
|
> machines, with something like an environment file to tell it what chip is
|
|
> used, I see no way for OS-9 (in whatever form it is in) to become
|
|
> competative with MS-DOS or WINDOWS.
|
|
|
|
At the application level, the 68XXX family is quite backward compatible.
|
|
Most differences tend to be at the Supervisor (operating system) level,
|
|
so a 68020 system uses a slightly different OS-9 kernel and drivers.
|
|
To the user and application writer, this should be transparent (if
|
|
the application writer compiles for the 68000 target, avoiding special
|
|
features of the more powerful processors, similar to avoiding '486
|
|
specific features if you want the application to run on a '286).
|
|
|
|
Generally, software can be written that does not use any of the special
|
|
system calls provided by either K-Windows or G-Windows, and is portable
|
|
amongst all of the systems. Some examples are the Ved editor, Sculptor
|
|
database manager, Ispell spellchecker, Rogue and Moria games, SC
|
|
spreadsheet, etc. But this tends to mean no graphics, no mouse, etc. (an
|
|
exception being limited mouse support in Ved). The "environment file"
|
|
is normally "termcap". It does not describe the "chip", but rather the
|
|
way that the particular terminal on the system can be controlled.
|
|
|
|
> Is there, also, an OS-9 that runs on
|
|
> an MM/1 and another that runs on say a Delmar machine?
|
|
|
|
There are special _drivers_ to communicate with the particular machine's
|
|
hardware, but both of these systems use OS-9 V2.4. This is equivalent
|
|
to some PCs having IDE drives, others SCSI, etc. -- different drivers at
|
|
the operating system level to support the particular hardware platform,
|
|
but this should be transparent to the user and applications, once the
|
|
system is configured.
|
|
|
|
Regards... / Ken
|
|
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
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|
Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237
|
|
|
|
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|
|
|
89758 5-SEP 02:16 Applications (6809)
|
|
RE: Database Deletion of DScan V4.0!! (Re: Msg 89742)
|
|
From: JEVESTAL To: MRGOOD
|
|
|
|
> The problem isn;t CPU compatibility, it's "enhancements" compatibility
|
|
> that's the problem. So, stuff written for K-windows won't work
|
|
> with G-windows. I for one would like to see ONE standard windowing
|
|
> interface. The last thing I want to see is lowest common
|
|
> denominator text screen based stuff.
|
|
|
|
Why don't you like the "lowest common denominator text screen based stuff"?
|
|
|
|
I see nothing wrong with writing text screen programs, using things such
|
|
as termcap or common common vt100 or ansi interfaces.
|
|
|
|
Jim
|
|
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"Magazine dedicated to OS-9/OSK Users Everywhere
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89763 5-SEP 09:22 Applications (6809)
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RE: Database Deletion of DScan V4.0!! (Re: Msg 89738)
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From: EDELMAR To: 01GEN40 (NR)
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Ken Scales has done a pretty good job of explaining what is happening in
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message 89743. To add a few points -
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The MW C Compiler permits the programmer to program for either the 68000
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or the 68020. Similarly, there are 2 assemblers; one for the 68000 and
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the second for the 68020. The only time (most) programmers use the 68020
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mode is when they are writing code dedicated to an 020 or higher chip -
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mostly the industrial market and require the performance. Almost all GP
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programs are compiled for the 68000 and will run on any OS-9/68xx0 machine.
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The problems you are alluding to deal with graphics. Graphics are a function
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of the gfx chip set selected by the OEM and have nothing to do with OS-9
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or the cpu. The designers of the MM/1 selected the VSC (forget the chip
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number) for their gfx. This chip in conjunction with the 68070 cpu provides
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a low-cost, gfx solution.
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DELMAR CO and Periphiral Technology decided to use a 'standard' pc compatible
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gfx board for GFX - specifically gfx boards using the TSENG LABS ET4000/
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ET4000w32i gfx chips. (I won't get into the reasons.)
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Other OEM's are using other chip sets although several are also using the
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TSENG LABS chips. For example, GESPAC is using boards based on the HITACHI
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gfx chips. Note that G-WINDOWS runs on a variety of platforms and software
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written for G-WINDOWS will (to the best of my knowledge) run on all of these
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platforms.
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In retrospect, had we (all the OEM's) stuck to RAVE, many of the graphics
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incompatibility problems wouldn't exist. But, hardware and software cost
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to the end user would be higher.
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Re your comments about the 80x86 being backward compatible. Yes, they are.
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But the software isn't. Up to a few years ago, software written for MSDOS
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was mostly compatible with the Intel family. However, when MS introduced
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Windows 3.1, full backward compatibility ceased; at least an 80286 cpu is
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required. Almost all software released today requires Windows 3.1. hence
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will not run with a 8086 cpu. Further, if you examine the driver disk(s)
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you received with your VGA card, you will see the mfg provided his own
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drivers - you cannot change to another gfx card without installing new
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drivers. In fact, some software houses find the drivers provided inadequate
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and provide their own. For example, look at the later AutoCad distributions.
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Re OS-9000 - You can obtain a 'PC/AT Run-Time Package' for $595. This is
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a subset of the PC/AT Development Package - does not include any application
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development tools. As to the price dropping, IMHO, I doubt very much this
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will occur in the foreseeable future unless MW repeats the special they
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offered last year. I don't perceive MW attempting to attract the personal
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user ala IBM, MS, etc.
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Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO
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89768 5-SEP 13:54 Applications (6809)
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RE: Database Deletion of DScan V4.0!! (Re: Msg 89758)
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From: MRGOOD To: JEVESTAL
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I'm surprised you asked the question. To me, the answer is obvious.
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If I have a computer capable of doing fancy window stuff and such, why
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would I want to drop back to 1960's methods???
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Hugo
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89785 5-SEP 23:00 Applications (6809)
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RE: Database Deletion of DScan V4.0!! (Re: Msg 89758)
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From: DBREEDING To: JEVESTAL
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> Why don't you like the "lowest common denominator text screen based
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> stuff"?
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> I see nothing wrong with writing text screen programs, using things such
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> as termcap or common common vt100 or ansi interfaces.
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Well, I tend to agree with MRGOOD's sentiment. I can live with the "lcd
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text apps, but as he stated in his reply, I, too, would hate to think I'd
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be stuck with the wonderful windowing system I have, or likewise for the
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other systems, too, and not be able to use them. I'd like to see maybe
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an interface implemented whereby if you wanted to create an overlay
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window, for example, the task could be handed out to it and let it handle
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the specifics. It would seem that it could be handled a little like
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"gfx2".
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051
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Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
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^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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89786 5-SEP 23:01 Applications (6809)
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RE: Database Deletion of DScan V4.0!! (Re: Msg 89743)
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From: DBREEDING To: KSCALES
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Ken, you really did a great job explaining the reasons for system-
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specific software. I would like to add to one point you made:
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> This is currently the major source for system-specific versions of
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> software being developed. It is hurting us all, IMHO.
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I think you really said a mouthful there. If one is writing software, I
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think he would have much greater incentive to work on it if he could reach
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more potential buyers. Of course, all the stuff can be made to work if
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strictly text-oriented functions are used, but that seems to be a terrible
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waste of the fabulous windowing systems we have. I would dearly love to see
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some method by which the advanced features of all the systems could be
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interfaced. I mentioned in a previous post that it seems that maybe an
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interface ala "gfx2" might be written, one for each system, to handle the
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specifics for the advanced graphic calls. Of course this would mean adding
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an additional level of interfacing (above that of the specific windowing
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system, but that would simplify the program writing process. Maybe it
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would be too complicated, but on the surface it looks feasible. The method
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I have in mind would be that if you wanted to create an overlay window,
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you would issue the call "OWSet" to the interface module and it would, in
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turn, hand it back to G-Windows or K-Windows as the appropriate call.
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Do you reckon this might work?
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051
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Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
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^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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89797 6-SEP 04:19 Applications (6809)
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RE: Database Deletion of DScan V4.0!! (Re: Msg 89758)
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From: MREGC To: JEVESTAL (NR)
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Jim,
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> Why don't you like the "lowest common denominator text screen based stuff"?
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>
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> I see nothing wrong with writing text screen programs, using things such
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> as termcap or common common vt100 or ansi interfaces.
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As I share his feelings I think I should respond to this question myself.
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Of course there's nothing *wrong* with text screen programs. However, I
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happen to prefer to use and to write software that uses windowing to its
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fullest extent. It's just a matter of personal prefernece. I use a word
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processor on my MM/1 that uses windows over one that's text based, even though
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the text based one has a number of other features that the windowing one
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doesn't. I bought my MM/1 because of the promise of more powerful, more
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versatile, cleaner looking windowing software.
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It's also possible to write graphics front ends for text based software, as
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the developer of the text based word pro I was referring to collaborated with
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another programmer to accomplish. However, even this kind of combination, for
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me at least, doesn't have the same comfortable "look and feel" as a program
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designed soley under windows from the start.
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..Eric...
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End of Thread.
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89688 1-SEP 00:55 OSK Applications
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Archiving program
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From: TIMKIENTZLE To: ALL
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I'm getting ready to upload an updated TeX for OS9, but I need a good
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|
archiver to bundle it all up with. I need something that will accept
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a list of filenames to archive, and which produces decent compression.
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The best I've found so far is the combination of tar/gzip, but I thought
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there might be something better around. Any suggestions?
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- Tim
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89689 1-SEP 01:23 OSK Applications
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RE: Archiving program (Re: Msg 89688)
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From: MITHELEN To: TIMKIENTZLE
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How about lha? It has a "-r" (recursive) option, that will do an entire
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|
directory heirarchy. You can also specify individual files omn the command
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line, and I believe there is an option to take filenames from a fil, or stdin
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(Not sure on that, and am not on my MM/1 now, so can't check)
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--
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Paul
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89692 1-SEP 08:41 OSK Applications
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RE: Archiving program (Re: Msg 89689)
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From: BILLDICKHAUS To: MITHELEN
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LHa 2.01 will not accept a list of files from stdin, and I have had
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problems using LHa 2.06, which does have a a -z option. Has anyone else
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had problems with LHa 2.06? Is there a later version, or any tips on how
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to get it to work properly?
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I've considered going the gtar/gzip route myself at times, but haven't yet.
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-Bill-
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89694 1-SEP 15:00 OSK Applications
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RE: Archiving program (Re: Msg 89692)
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From: MITHELEN To: BILLDICKHAUS
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I have lha 2.05, and never had problem with it... Admittedly, I have never
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used the "-z" option. I usually use the "-r" to do an entire heirarchy.
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--
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Paul
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89702 2-SEP 20:43 OSK Applications
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RE: Archiving program (Re: Msg 89688)
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From: JOHNREED To: TIMKIENTZLE
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> I'm getting ready to upload an updated TeX for OS9, but I need a good
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.....
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> The best I've found so far is the combination of tar/gzip, but I thought
|
|
> there might be something better around. Any suggestions?
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> - Tim
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>
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Tim,
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|
IMHO, for bundling up a large number of files, tar (or gtar) and gzip
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seem to run faster than lha, and the end result is smaller. I did a
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|
comparison on a medium-huge pile of GNU-C source and gtar/gzip won.
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********************************
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A stitch in time --------------------
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------ is worth two in the bush
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John R. Wainwright <<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>
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89753 5-SEP 00:30 OSK Applications
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RE: Archiving program (Re: Msg 89689)
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From: TIMKIENTZLE To: MITHELEN
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The `-r' option isn't so useful, since the directory I want to archive
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from has over 21meg of stuff in it and it's subdirectories. By going
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through a list of files, I've managed to trim that down to a mere
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|
6meg that needs to go in the upload, so you can probably understand
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my desire to be able to read a list of files from stdin. John's
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comment about compression is a good point, too. Tar/GZip tends
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|
to compress better, since GZip ends up compressing the whole shebang
|
|
at once, unlike most archivers that compress each individual file.
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|
800 small files are unlikely to compress as well as a single
|
|
6meg file.
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|
- Tim
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89754 5-SEP 00:33 OSK Applications
|
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RE: Archiving program (Re: Msg 89702)
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From: TIMKIENTZLE To: JOHNREED
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|
Is gtar here in the archive? I have a `tar,' but when I did a dry
|
|
run at archiving the whole thing, it freaked out halfway through.
|
|
(I should try again, giving it more data space...)
|
|
GZip faster than lha? Hmmm... I tried running gzip -9 on my
|
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MM/1, and had a good nap before it was done. Of course, it does
|
|
dearchive MUCH faster. I've gotten in the habit of using gzip
|
|
before downloading things to my MM/1, since it saves a bundle of time.
|
|
But uploads I usually do uncompressed.
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- Tim
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End of Thread.
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89697 1-SEP 23:58 General Information
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Help w/ OS-9 Device Descriptors
|
|
From: BOISY To: ALL
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|
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Hi Folks,
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I am in need of PROPER dmode parameters for the following drive types
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|
and formats for my MM/1:
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Formats: Universal, PC, Standard OS-9, Atari ST
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|
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Drive types: 3.5" 1.44MB
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|
3.5" 720K
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5.25" 360K
|
|
5.25" 1.2MB
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|
|
That would be a total of 16 sets of dmode parameters. I've swapped
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drives so many times that I'm not sure which is which, so any help
|
|
would be MOST appreciated.
|
|
--
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Boisy G. Pitre__ __ __ Delphi: BOISY
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|_ _| \ \/ / CompuServe: 74464,3005
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I use... _| |_ > < Internet: boisy@os9er.waukee.ia.us
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|_____|NFO/_/\_\PRESS 1.2.0 OS-9 -- King of Operating Systems
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89699 2-SEP 00:25 Applications (6809)
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|
OSTerm/68K
|
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From: KSCALES To: TIMKIENTZLE
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> I'd be interested in hearing about this new OSTerm/68k. I always
|
|
> thought OSTerm/Tascom had a lot of potential, but fell down in
|
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> the details (file transfer bugs, emulation bugs, etc.). I'd
|
|
> be interested to hear that someone addressed those problems.
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|
|
Hi, Tim -
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Yes, OSTerm/68K has been considerably enhanced compared with OSTerm/6809
|
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and TasCOM. The current official release is version 2.2.0; however a few
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folks have a "beta test" version 2.2.1.
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I don't have a complete list of the changes, but will list the ones that
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|
come to mind... (I've included some of the known limitations, too.)
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|
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- (prompted) ASCII file transfers are now fully implemented. (Vaughn
|
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added them to the menus when he started working on them, but hadn't
|
|
yet finished the code.)
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- Y-batch no longer resets the filelength to 0 on ASCII transfers.
|
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(Side-effect: sometimes the xmodem padding will not be stripped.
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Perhaps a future release will cover this.)
|
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- provision added for 3 external protocols. These are defined by the
|
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user in the osterm.config file, and become bound into the standard
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OSTerm Transfer and Filepicker menu sequences, just like the native
|
|
protocols, so they appear fully integrated to the user. (I use Zmodem,
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Kermit Binary, and Kermit ASCII).
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|
- ANSI emulation has been enhanced to include all of the normal
|
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IBM/BBS sequences, 16 foreground and 8 background colours (with
|
|
correct palettes).
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|
- VT100 emulation has been significantly enhanced:
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- host programmable tabs (also, user settable in config file; default
|
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is the VT100 standard default)
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|
- scrolling regions (Version 2.2.0 only has absolute origin mode;
|
|
V2.2.1 beta has relative origin mode, too).
|
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- User selectable "Newline mode" and "Autowrap at margin" added
|
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- many other changes/fixes too numerous to mention to bring it in
|
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line with the VT102 "ANSI" mode.
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- limitations: special character sets not supported; 80x24 mode only.
|
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- improved ANSI/VT100 keyboard emulations (e.g., "left arrow" and "ctrl-B"
|
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are differentiated), with online "Keyboard Assignments" menu
|
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- can generate a true "line break"
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- RTS/CTS or XON/XOFF flow control supported.
|
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- "Rate adjust" lock to suppress autobauding for modern high-speed modems
|
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- separate Options file for each port (/t0, /t3, etc.)
|
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- "Echo to file" (buffer capture) now strips linefeeds AND ANSI/VT100
|
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control sequences. Also allows append-to-file.
|
|
- A "binary" emulation mode has been added, to enable capture of all
|
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received data, but only printing "safe" characters to the screen.
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- Remote Mode can be enterred directly from command line:
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osterm -r
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(or) osterm -r=/dd/directory_path_to_use
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- 7-bit mask (oops; bug in V2.2.0; fixed in V2.2.1 beta version)
|
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- numbers expanded to 24-digits in autodialer
|
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- a "graphical front end" for mouse addicts and to make it easier for
|
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casual users. This is, frankly, a bit "clumsier" than we would like,
|
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but since our plans are to evolve OSTerm/68K away from its current
|
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K-Windows dependency, we implemented this as a separate module ("OST")
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to avoid putting more K-Windows stuff into the main program.
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- significantly improved manual written by Colin McKay.
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- many other tweeks and enhancements.
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Hope this provides the info you wanted.
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Cheers... / Ken
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--------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237
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89715 3-SEP 12:29 Applications (6809)
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RE: OSTerm/68K (Re: Msg 89699)
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From: JEJONES To: KSCALES
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> - User selectable "Newline mode" and "Autowrap at margin" added
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I guess that just show that when all else fails, read the directions.
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(I must have autowrap turned off.) Silly me.
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Seriously--I appreciate the heck out of the work that's been done
|
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on OSTerm.
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Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
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Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside
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89725 3-SEP 21:24 Applications (6809)
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RE: OSTerm/68K (Re: Msg 89699)
|
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From: DBREEDING To: KSCALES
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TIMKIENTZLE's comments:
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> > I'd be interested in hearing about this new OSTerm/68k. I always
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> > thought OSTerm/Tascom had a lot of potential,
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> > but fell down in the details
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GREAT DESCRIPTION!!! CoCo OSTerm is really great, but just a few aggravating
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details.
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Ken,
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The enhancements you describe are FANTASTIC! Do I understand that the
|
|
ultimate goal is to make OSTerm compatible for all OSK platforms, or will
|
|
it be strictly MM/1? I have a Delmar system and would really love to have
|
|
OSTerm running on it. IMO, this is one void (especially for us non-MM1'ers)
|
|
that needs to be filled.
|
|
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051
|
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Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
|
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^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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89732 3-SEP 23:38 Applications (6809)
|
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RE: OSTerm/68K (Re: Msg 89715)
|
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From: KSCALES To: JEJONES
|
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|
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> I guess that just show that when all else fails, read the directions.
|
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> (I must have autowrap turned off.) Silly me.
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|
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Heh, heh -- yeah, I know what you mean. I don't pay enough attention
|
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to the manuals, either. But let's not tell Colin -- he put a lot of
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work into it <g>.
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|
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Didn't know you had been encountering difficulties -- let me know if the
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autowrap doesn't fix it.
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|
|
> Seriously--I appreciate the heck out of the work that's been done
|
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> on OSTerm.
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|
|
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Thanks. Actually, we did it a lot of it because _we_ wanted it, too!
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|
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Cheers... / Ken
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--------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237
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89733 3-SEP 23:38 Applications (6809)
|
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RE: OSTerm/68K (Re: Msg 89725)
|
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From: KSCALES To: DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
> The enhancements you describe are FANTASTIC! Do I understand that the
|
|
> ultimate goal is to make OSTerm compatible for all OSK platforms, or will
|
|
> it be strictly MM/1? I have a Delmar system and would really love to
|
|
> have OSTerm running on it. IMO, this is one void (especially for us
|
|
> non-MM1'ers) that needs to be filled.
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This has been the plan, but office workload has pretty much brought things
|
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to a grinding halt here since May. We had hoped to have the non-KWindows
|
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version well under development by now, but as it stands, that phase hasn't
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even been begun, yet. Sorry, but stay tuned.
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|
Regards... / Ken
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Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237
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89757 5-SEP 02:04 Applications (6809)
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RE: OSTerm/68K (Re: Msg 89699)
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From: TIMKIENTZLE To: KSCALES
|
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|
|
Sounds good! In particular, it sounds like you made an effort to address
|
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the many problems in the VT100 emulation. (BTW, if you want, I have
|
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a bunch of test files for testing VT100, in the form of a fairly
|
|
thorough `test program' and a bunch of `VT100 movies' that exercise
|
|
VT100 emulations pretty thoroughly. The test program also exercises
|
|
some VT102 functions. Old OSTerm/Tascom failed these tests pretty
|
|
badly. Seems it kept switching into `ANSI' emulation for no apparent
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|
reason.)
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|
- Tim
|
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|
|
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89774 5-SEP 21:14 Applications (6809)
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RE: OSTerm/68K (Re: Msg 89699)
|
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From: DSRTFOX To: KSCALES
|
|
|
|
When you get a good listing of all the changes/features of the new term
|
|
program, send me something in e-mail that I can print as an announcement in the
|
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next issue of "68' micros".
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|
|
|
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|
|
|
89784 5-SEP 22:59 Applications (6809)
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RE: OSTerm/68K (Re: Msg 89733)
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: KSCALES
|
|
|
|
> > The enhancements you describe are FANTASTIC! Do I understand that the
|
|
> > ultimate goal is to make OSTerm compatible for all OSK platforms, or
|
|
|
|
> This has been the plan, but office workload has pretty much brought
|
|
> things to a grinding halt here since May. We had hoped to have the
|
|
> non-KWindows version well under development by now, but as it stands, that
|
|
> phase hasn't even been begun, yet. Sorry, but stay tuned.
|
|
|
|
You bet I'll stay tuned .. I've heard of another Term program that's coming
|
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out, maybe for G-Windows, but everyone needs at least 3 term programs at
|
|
hand <G>. Seriously, I've grown quite accustomed to OSTerm, and all in all,
|
|
it's just hard to beat. I do understand the problems of getting time to
|
|
get all the stuff done, though.
|
|
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051
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Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|
|
|
*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
|
|
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89789 5-SEP 23:15 Applications (6809)
|
|
RE: OSTerm/68K (Re: Msg 89757)
|
|
From: KSCALES To: TIMKIENTZLE (NR)
|
|
|
|
Hi, Tim -
|
|
|
|
> Sounds good! In particular, it sounds like you made an effort to address
|
|
> the many problems in the VT100 emulation.
|
|
|
|
Yes, we've put considerable work towards making this a good, usable
|
|
implementation of VT100 emulation. We probably still have a bit more work
|
|
to do. My personal approach is that ANY _known_ limitations or bugs should
|
|
be documented, so the following exclusions were specified in the $READ.ME$
|
|
file for V2.2.0, released at the May Chicago Fest:
|
|
|
|
| Current limitations include:
|
|
|
|
|
| - only absolute origin mode is supported for scrolling regions
|
|
| - only 80x24 character mode is supported (no double-height,
|
|
| double width, nor 132 character width)
|
|
| - alternate character sets are not supported
|
|
|
|
|
| Known bugs/deficiencies:
|
|
| - the last character on a screen is not displayed, as this
|
|
| causes the screen to scroll. When the line is scrolled,
|
|
| this character will be added to the scrolled line, except
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|
| in the following case:
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|
|
|
|
| - when "Autowrap at margin" is "off", lines that contain
|
|
| EXACTLY 80 characters and which are initially printed on
|
|
| the last line of the display (or scrolling region), will
|
|
| not display the last character of the line after being
|
|
| scrolled upwards.
|
|
|
|
Since then, V2.2.1(beta) has added relative origin mode for scrolling
|
|
regions, and fixed a couple of bugs that were identified (7-bit masking
|
|
within VT100/ANSI sequences, the switching from VT100 to ANSI mode
|
|
"voluntarily" that you mentioned, and improved "bold" attribute handling).
|
|
|
|
> (BTW, if you want, I have
|
|
> a bunch of test files for testing VT100, in the form of a fairly
|
|
> thorough `test program' and a bunch of `VT100 movies' that exercise
|
|
> VT100 emulations pretty thoroughly. The test program also exercises
|
|
> some VT102 functions.
|
|
|
|
Tim, I would really appreciate if you could forward those files. I've
|
|
been meaning to pick some up, but it's always been "deferred"... Most
|
|
of the testing has been against the facilities we have available.
|
|
|
|
> Old OSTerm/Tascom failed these tests pretty
|
|
> badly. Seems it kept switching into `ANSI' emulation for no apparent
|
|
> reason.)
|
|
|
|
Heh, heh... yeah, see above.
|
|
|
|
Cheers... / Ken
|
|
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|
Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|
|
|
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|
|
|
|
89700 2-SEP 10:36 General Information
|
|
NEW COMERS
|
|
From: MROWEN01 To: ALL
|
|
|
|
HEY NEW COMERS! If you want to get help with OS-9 or have questions, please
|
|
attend the OS-9 Late Night conference here on Delphi. If you need info on how
|
|
to get into the conference or questions about the conference, please send a
|
|
note to myself (MROWEN01) either here in the forum or via mail. You can also
|
|
direct quetsions to the OS-9 Late night moderator, CPERRAULT (Chris). The
|
|
level of conversation in the conference is always geared toward the original
|
|
level of the questions asked. If you have some basic beginner level questions,
|
|
ask them in the conference. You'll either get a good answer or find someone
|
|
willing to work with you outside of the conference. Don't be afraid to jump
|
|
in with questions or comments. That's what the OS-9 Late night conferences
|
|
are for! The more people contribute the more we all learn! Support the OS-9
|
|
community and get your questions answered by attending the OS-9 Late Night
|
|
confernce!
|
|
|
|
END Of SHAMELESS PROMO!
|
|
|
|
Mike Rowen
|
|
mrowen01@delphi.com
|
|
rowen@fwa.natp.gmeds.com
|
|
|
|
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|
|
|
|
89701 2-SEP 10:46 General Information
|
|
ANSI Considerations
|
|
From: BOISY To: ALL
|
|
|
|
I need some questions answered regarding ANSI emulation.
|
|
|
|
(1) I noticed that in some BBS's fancy ANSI graphics screens, a hex
|
|
05 is embedded. This 05 wreaks havoc, since it isn't part of an
|
|
ANSI emulation string. It gets printed as is, and the next character
|
|
will turn off the cursor (this is in my ANSI emulation terminal
|
|
program). What is this 05 and how should I handle it?
|
|
|
|
(2) I notice that some BBS screens tend to send a "cursor left" ANSI
|
|
sequence when the cursor is at column 0 (the left side of the screen)
|
|
Currently, I'm just doing a cursor left, so the cursor backs up to
|
|
the last character position of the previous line. Thus, printing
|
|
on the first line is skewed to the left one character. Is the
|
|
proper behavior in ANSI to NOT go to the left when the cursor is
|
|
already at the left side of the screen? I think this would fix
|
|
things, but I'm not sure if it is the "ANSI" way to do it.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Any answers would be most helpful and most appreciated.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89705 3-SEP 00:46 General Information
|
|
RE: ANSI Considerations (Re: Msg 89701)
|
|
From: GREGL To: BOISY
|
|
|
|
I believe the ANSI specification is for Cursor Left and Cursor Right to move
|
|
the cursor the appropriate number of columns. If the cursor is on a line
|
|
boundary, the cursor does not move to the previous or next column. The $05
|
|
character is CTRL-E or ENQ and is typically used to ask about your terminal
|
|
capabilities. DEC terminals, for example, send a capabilities string. I
|
|
think ANSI and PC ANSI ignore ENQ. Also note that CompuServe sends ENQ to
|
|
initiate a CompuServe B or B+ protocol transfer.
|
|
|
|
-- Greg
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89714 3-SEP 11:36 General Information
|
|
RE: ANSI Considerations (Re: Msg 89705)
|
|
From: BOISY To: GREGL
|
|
|
|
Thanks for the confirmation. I'll fix my program to reflect that.
|
|
|
|
I ran across another example of ctrl codes embedded in an ANSI graphic file.
|
|
Here's a partial dump:
|
|
|
|
1B 5B 30 3B 33 34 3B 34 30 6D 01 1B 5B 33 31 3B .[0;34;40m..[31;
|
|
34 30 3B 31 6D 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 40;1m
|
|
|
|
Note the Hex $01 on the first line after the '40m'. This homes the cursor
|
|
under K-Windows, though I am blocking out ctrl characters. I am wondering
|
|
what I should do in this instance. Totally ignore it? Replace it with a space?
|
|
|
|
THere is obviously some intent to use it, as it is bound between to different
|
|
'm' ANSI sequences.
|
|
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89720 3-SEP 17:16 General Information
|
|
RE: ANSI Considerations (Re: Msg 89714)
|
|
From: KSCALES To: BOISY
|
|
|
|
Boisy -
|
|
|
|
> I ran across another example of ctrl codes embedded in an ANSI graphic
|
|
> file. Here's a partial dump:
|
|
>
|
|
> 1B 5B 30 3B 33 34 3B 34 30 6D 01 1B 5B 33 31 3B .[0;34;40m..[31;
|
|
> 34 30 3B 31 6D 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 40;1m
|
|
|
|
My guess is that this turns all attributes off, prints a blue-on-black
|
|
happy face, then sets the colours to red-on-black, bold on, and prints
|
|
11 spaces.
|
|
|
|
Cheers... / Ken
|
|
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|
Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89735 4-SEP 01:38 General Information
|
|
RE: ANSI Considerations (Re: Msg 89714)
|
|
From: GREGL To: BOISY
|
|
|
|
I suspect the control character you are seeing is a printable character.
|
|
On the PC, all control characters with the common exception of CR and LF
|
|
are printable. Actually all of the control characters are printable, but
|
|
most terminal programs interpret CR, LF, TAB and BEL. There may be a few
|
|
others that are interpreted (VT is the typically the same as LF, for example,
|
|
and FF scrolls to the bottom of the screen).
|
|
|
|
-- Greg
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89755 5-SEP 00:40 General Information
|
|
RE: ANSI Considerations (Re: Msg 89701)
|
|
From: TIMKIENTZLE To: BOISY
|
|
|
|
On the VT100 (which is based on the same standard as PC `ANSI' emulation),
|
|
cursor movement commands never wrap lines. In particular, the cursor
|
|
movement escape sequences are `visual', not `logical.' I.e., `cursor left'
|
|
means `move the cursor left,' NOT `move the cursor to the previous
|
|
character.' On the VT100, even BS doesn't wrap, although many VT100
|
|
emulators let BS wrap since so many people expect it to.
|
|
- Tim
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89707 3-SEP 01:20 General Information
|
|
IRQ Hack
|
|
From: NEALSTEWARD To: ALL
|
|
|
|
What is the most current fix for Coco 3 IRQ problems. For years I used
|
|
the Krupski diode hack, but had heard that this can cause problems, which
|
|
I eventually encountered.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89710 3-SEP 04:49 General Information
|
|
RE: IRQ Hack (Re: Msg 89707)
|
|
From: COCOKIWI To: NEALSTEWARD
|
|
|
|
I did one that was an improvment over one that came out..it was a direct
|
|
link from the IRQ lin on the CoCo-3 to the MPI<board one had in it> I
|
|
rerouted the line through the unused SELect line on pin 40,since this line
|
|
is directly connected to the MPI and that ALL 4 slots are connected to it!
|
|
one just cuts a couple of lines on both and a few jumpers..done,I have used
|
|
this fix for a number of years with no problems! you will find it in the
|
|
Database here..look for IRQ fix.....that I put up there a long time ago!
|
|
Dennis
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89708 3-SEP 01:22 General Information
|
|
24 pin eprom
|
|
From: NEALSTEWARD To: ALL
|
|
|
|
Can a 28 pin eprom be used in a floppy controller with a 24 pin socket? Or
|
|
more specifically, can a 28 pin Tandy Smartwatch be installed in a f.c. with
|
|
a 24 pin socket?
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89711 3-SEP 04:54 General Information
|
|
RE: 24 pin eprom (Re: Msg 89708)
|
|
From: COCOKIWI To: NEALSTEWARD
|
|
|
|
the answer is YES..one has to make a replacment socket to fit the 24 pin
|
|
socket..it overlaps,and some wires have to be jumpered to the old locations
|
|
that dont match the new socket! A lot of us did this to the old TANDY disk
|
|
controller so one could use a bigger chip,since the older 24 pin ones were
|
|
getting hard to get!.......you use a 28 pin Smartwatch with a modified socket
|
|
Dennis
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89788 5-SEP 23:14 General Information
|
|
RE: 24 pin eprom (Re: Msg 89711)
|
|
From: NEALSTEWARD To: COCOKIWI (NR)
|
|
|
|
Where can I find a description of how to wire the socket like that? Is
|
|
there a file here, or was it published in the Rainbow?
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89712 3-SEP 08:14 General Information
|
|
RE: error 202 (Re: Msg 89197)
|
|
From: DONALDS To: BOISY
|
|
|
|
thanks for the help. I will try that.
|
|
Don
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89718 3-SEP 13:45 General Information
|
|
reply
|
|
From: JEVESTAL To: CPERRAULT
|
|
|
|
> >>That would be ok, I have the latest version of PatchOS-9 for
|
|
> review in the OS-9 Underground.<<
|
|
>
|
|
> Good, I'll be looking forward to that. Btw, when is the next
|
|
> Underground going to be out?
|
|
|
|
It should be out this next week hopefully. When I receive my copy
|
|
I'll post so you can be checking your mail boxes for your!
|
|
|
|
> >>Concerning Monday nights:...if so I won't be home in time for
|
|
> the conference!<<
|
|
>
|
|
> D*mmit Jim!<grin> Really, keep me posted. If people aren't able
|
|
> to show, and I can find a good night where I don't have to be up early
|
|
> the next morning, then reschedualing won't be a bad idea. For now of
|
|
> course the schedual stands as Monday Nights at 10:00 pm eastern time.
|
|
|
|
Well, as you know I made it Monday night, despite the fact that I
|
|
was already way over 20 hours of usage on my 20/20 plan. I choose not
|
|
to add the Monday night class due to lack of transportaion, so I should
|
|
be able to make it Monday nights.
|
|
|
|
> I agree, the live interaction can really help those of us who
|
|
> want to learn more about programming. I imagine general use of OS-9...
|
|
> hopefully we'll get some programming stuff in there<as I could sure
|
|
> use some educating<G>. I too am interested in C, but won't be getting
|
|
> too serious with it for a while. I do plan on taking it up tho<it
|
|
> looks like a good language anyway>, so I try to soak up whatever I see
|
|
> mentioned about it, as much as possible as it will come in handy
|
|
> later. Btw, do you still plan on covering basic09 in the Underground?
|
|
> I really like the Basic training series, tho I understand you plan to
|
|
> move more in the direction of C there. Is there anything in the works
|
|
> for Basic09, such as covering system calls,errors and debugging, and
|
|
> small routines.
|
|
|
|
We are currently looking for a new columnist to take over Basic Training.
|
|
I did the first series on structured programming, and Wayne Campbell
|
|
wrote a programming series on how to write applications in Basic(09).
|
|
We are running the last few parts of his series now. Wayne sold his
|
|
CoCo and bought a Mac and he's not involved with the OS-9 Underground
|
|
any longer.
|
|
|
|
If anybody is interested please contact me about writing Basic Training
|
|
or just submitting Basic09 programs.
|
|
|
|
I, personnaly still love Basic09, but relize that I need to concentrate
|
|
on learning C, so I started the Basic to C column to help others
|
|
learn C too.
|
|
|
|
Jim
|
|
|
|
======================== InfoXpress 01.01.00 OS-9/6809 ======================
|
|
| Narnia BBS: 11pm-7am PDT serving CoCo OS-9 users
|
|
----|---- StG network: sysop@Narnia "Exclusively OS-9"
|
|
| Delphi: JEVestal@delphi.com
|
|
Marysville, CA InterNet: JEVestal@narnia.wa.com
|
|
| or : JEVestal@citrus.sac.ca.us
|
|
(916) 743-2617 Voice: 7am-11pm PDT :1 Corinthians 1:18 & Romans 1:16
|
|
=============================================================================
|
|
Jim Vestal: Assistant editor of The International OS-9 Underground,
|
|
"Magazine dedicated to OS-9/OSK Users Everywhere
|
|
|
|
|
|
======================== InfoXpress 01.01.00 OS-9/6809 ======================
|
|
| Narnia BBS: 11pm-7am PDT serving CoCo OS-9 users
|
|
----|---- StG network: sysop@Narnia "Exclusively OS-9"
|
|
| Delphi: JEVestal@delphi.com
|
|
Marysville, CA InterNet: JEVestal@narnia.wa.com
|
|
| or : JEVestal@citrus.sac.ca.us
|
|
(916) 743-2617 Voice: 7am-11pm PDT :1 Corinthians 1:18 & Romans 1:16
|
|
=============================================================================
|
|
Jim Vestal: Assistant editor of The International OS-9 Underground,
|
|
"Magazine dedicated to OS-9/OSK Users Everywhere
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89728 3-SEP 21:33 General Information
|
|
September Conference schedual
|
|
From: CPERRAULT To: ALL
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
=========OS-9 Conference Schedual=========
|
|
=========For the month of September=======
|
|
=========On Delphi's OS-9 Online==========
|
|
|
|
Note: To access these conferences, once you are online,
|
|
from the main menu, or almost any other prompt on Delphi, type(without
|
|
quotes) 'Go com OS9' and that brings you to _OS-9 Online_, the OS-9 Sig.
|
|
Then at the menu prompt, type 'con' to access the conference section. At
|
|
the next prompt type '/who' in order to see what conferences are currently
|
|
taking place. When you see a conference name with the title of the
|
|
conference you want to attend, simply note the number to the left of the
|
|
title. That is the group number. Then type '/join x' where is the name of
|
|
the group(conference) you want to join, and you will be in.
|
|
|
|
--------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|
Conference Name Date Topic
|
|
--------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|
|
|
OS-9 Late Night September 5, 1994 Programming Discussion.
|
|
General OS-9 programming
|
|
chat here.
|
|
|
|
OS-9 Late Night September 12, 1994 Open Topic: Bring all
|
|
your questions, comments,
|
|
and other good stuff.
|
|
Topic may change.
|
|
|
|
OS-9 Live! September 17,1994 Boisy Pitre discusses 'The
|
|
Future of Personal OS-9'.I
|
|
encourage anyone
|
|
who can attend to do so.
|
|
|
|
OS-9 Late Night September 19,1994 See U in Atlanta! Newton
|
|
White from the Atlanta
|
|
Computer Society will be
|
|
with us to discuss the
|
|
upcoming Fest.
|
|
|
|
OS-9 Late Night September 26, 1994 NITROS9 & TUNE UP
|
|
Discussion W/ Alan Dekok
|
|
of Northern Xposure.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89756 5-SEP 00:42 General Information
|
|
RE: September Conference schedual (Re: Msg 89728)
|
|
From: TIMKIENTZLE To: CPERRAULT (NR)
|
|
|
|
What time are all of these conferences?
|
|
- Tim
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89730 3-SEP 23:01 General Information
|
|
ANSI Considerations
|
|
From: KSCALES To: BOISY
|
|
|
|
Boisy -
|
|
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> > 1B 5B 30 3B 33 34 3B 34 30 6D 01 1B 5B 33 31 3B .[0;34;40m..[31;
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> > 34 30 3B 31 6D 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 40;1m
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>
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> My guess is that this turns all attributes off, prints a blue-on-black
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> happy face, then sets the colours to red-on-black, bold on, and prints
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> 11 spaces.
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>
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> Cheers... / Ken
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Tried it by "displaying" the above codes over a serial link from my MM/1
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to my PC clown running Telix. Couldn't make out the exact colours (since
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it is a monochrome monitor), but it generated a light grey happy face,
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followed by a series of spaces (which subseqent characters sent indicated
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were in a brighter hue).
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Regards... / Ken
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Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237
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89731 3-SEP 23:16 General Information
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RE: ANSI Considerations (Re: Msg 89730)
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From: BOISY To: KSCALES
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So the 0x01 is a happy face character? Any idea how they determine
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this?
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89734 4-SEP 00:21 General Information
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RE: ANSI Considerations (Re: Msg 89731)
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From: KSCALES To: BOISY
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> So the 0x01 is a happy face character? Any idea how they determine
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> this?
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Well, after reading your messages I dug out my copy of the ANSI X3.64
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spec, and couldn't find anything specified the SOH character. And, as
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you noted, it must have been intended as a printable character, based
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upon its position between the two ANSI Select Graphic Rendition
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sequences.
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So, I checked the character sets in my MS-DOS manual, and left you the
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first message. Then I tried it. Sure enough.
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That BBS is not just using "ANSI" -- it is using some PC-specific
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stuff.
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Cheers... / Ken
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Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237
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End of Thread.
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89736 4-SEP 09:40 Applications (6809)
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RE: SOFTWARE (Re: Msg 89563)
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From: DONALDS To: MORRISA (NR)
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Sorry I didn't get back to you soonerbut, I have been out fighting some
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of the forest fires we have had here in the West.
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I still have the 2 programs you wanted DESKMATE 3, SUB Battle, if you are
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still interested.
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Don
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89740 4-SEP 16:43 Applications (6809)
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8-bit chips
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From: GLOCKR To: ALL
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I dont know if this is the right place to help me, but I need a clock circuit
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that will drive an M6800 CPU. The only 1 I can find requires an M6871 which is
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no longer availeable. Even better would be a circuit for a 6809-based sbc.
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Would appreciate any inf
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o:) btw, would also like to hear from people using 1802-1806 CPUs.
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89775 5-SEP 21:36 Applications (6809)
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RE: 8-bit chips (Re: Msg 89740)
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From: DSRTFOX To: GLOCKR
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J&M Microtek sells a 6809 SBC that is only 2.75"x5". Supports 8K RAM, 8KROM.
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Has 2 6821 PIAs, 2 interrupts for bus, supports 2732,64, & 6116 EPROMs. The
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board is $60 (populated). Integrated development software with an assembler, d
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isassembler, and on board debugger is available for an aditional $70.
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201-325-1892 (J&M Microtex, Inc. , 83 Saman Road, W. Orange, NJ 07052
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Tell them you got the info from "68 micros" magazine. I have a writer working
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on converting one of these boards so that a CoCo can be used for a development
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system.
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89794 6-SEP 02:33 Applications (6809)
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RE: 8-bit chips (Re: Msg 89775)
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From: GLOCKR To: DSRTFOX (NR)
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thnks for the info:)
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End of Thread.
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89744 4-SEP 20:36 General Information
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CD-i Success!
|
|
From: BOISY To: ALL
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|
Well, after fiddling with my new CD-i player, I managed to make a working
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cable from its 8-pin mini-DIN to my MM/1 25pin serial.
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|
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Thanks to FHOGG's message buried way back in the forum, I was able to
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call up the "service shell" which listed about 8 options. These are
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test modes for DRAM, NVRAM, VSC, and other hardware on the board.
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|
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|
This thing is so close to be an OSK computer, it's dangerous.
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89776 5-SEP 21:38 General Information
|
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RE: CD-i Success! (Re: Msg 89744)
|
|
From: DSRTFOX To: BOISY
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|
|
|
Hek Boisy, tell us how you made the cable and accessed the shell!!
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End of Thread.
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89750 4-SEP 22:49 General Information
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Cd-i
|
|
From: CHARLESAM To: BOISY
|
|
|
|
I recall a message you put up when you first got you CD-i. Correct me if I'm
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|
mistaken. You said you can play games, listen to CDs, or watch movies(disk).
|
|
What your descibing sounds like the new Panasonic CD-i systems. I'm not
|
|
sure what they cost but I know they must go for at least $800. How much
|
|
did your CD-i peripheral cost? How does it compare with CD-i systems,
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|
like the Panasonic. I'm thinking of upgrading soon and if I can add a
|
|
CD-i that compares favorably with those on the market, I'll upgrade alot
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|
|
|
sooner. Keep touting your new toy..... make us envious! ;-)
|
|
Even when I upgrade, I'll keep my Coco. I've gotten too comfortable to
|
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part with it now. Regards Charlie
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|
|
|
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|
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|
89752 4-SEP 23:03 General Information
|
|
RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89750)
|
|
From: BOISY To: CHARLESAM
|
|
|
|
Panasonic has a CD-i player? I wasn't aware of it.
|
|
|
|
Mine cost $499.00. There is a smaller Magnavox version for $299.00, and
|
|
both have CD-RTOS (OS-9) built in.
|
|
|
|
Neither come with the DV cart., but it can be added. The DV cart runs at
|
|
about $230-$250. And believe me, it's worth it.
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|
|
|
Check out your local Sears store for their CD-i system. Let me know what
|
|
you find out.
|
|
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|
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|
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|
89790 5-SEP 23:24 General Information
|
|
RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89752)
|
|
From: CHARLESAM To: BOISY
|
|
|
|
The next time I go to the Mall, I'll get the info on the Panasonic. It
|
|
looks like an all inclusive system. Maybe I can get some pamphlets on it.
|
|
As far as Sears goes, I'll buy their tools but I'd avoid any electronics
|
|
with their name on it. Thats just my preference. I feel they have their
|
|
fingers in too many areas to be good at all of them.
|
|
|
|
I assume by DV cart you mean Disc Video. I'm wondering how well a video
|
|
would run on an MM1 monitor? And thats assuming the MM1 is my upgrade.
|
|
|
|
Now thats a subject I'd like to see discussed in a conference. What
|
|
are the pros and cons of the three upgrades available now for OS-9.
|
|
I'm referring to the MM1, System IV/V, Kix 20/30. If there is more
|
|
options them those, I'm not aware of them. I believe you have the
|
|
MM1, no? I'd definitely go that way but for the one sore spot I have
|
|
heard discussed here, and thats the monitor options for that machine.
|
|
Of course, I'm not that well informed and you can correct any miss
|
|
info I have.
|
|
|
|
I will post the info on the panasonic when I get it. Thanx for your
|
|
reply on the subject. Regards Charlie
|
|
|
|
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|
|
|
|
89791 5-SEP 23:42 General Information
|
|
RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89790)
|
|
From: BOISY To: CHARLESAM
|
|
|
|
Hi Charlie...
|
|
|
|
That's an excellent conference idea! I'll have to keep that in mind.
|
|
You will be at the Atlanta Fest, won't you?
|
|
|
|
The CD-i will run on any monitor with RCA In Video, so a Maggie (commonly
|
|
used w/ the MM/1) would work with the CD-i player.
|
|
|
|
Looking forward to info on that Panasonic. Thanks!
|
|
|
|
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|
|
|
|
89792 5-SEP 23:50 General Information
|
|
RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89791)
|
|
From: CHARLESAM To: BOISY
|
|
|
|
I'm sure planning on it(Atlanta). Now I just have too salt away the green.
|
|
Maybe I get started on my upgrade in Atlanta. Charlie
|
|
|
|
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|
|
|
|
89793 6-SEP 00:22 General Information
|
|
RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89790)
|
|
From: MITHELEN To: CHARLESAM (NR)
|
|
|
|
Thats funny, I'll buy just about anything from Sears, BUT their tools!
|
|
Grant it, you get that lifetime warentee on them hand tools, but it is not
|
|
worth it if you have to replace it 2 or 3 time during a job (especially
|
|
their sockets)
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89795 6-SEP 04:07 General Information
|
|
RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89750)
|
|
From: MREGC To: CHARLESAM (NR)
|
|
|
|
|
|
> What your descibing sounds like the new Panasonic CD-i systems.
|
|
|
|
Panasonic makes the, (well only THE for right now as there are others in
|
|
development,) 3DO player, the direct competitor to CD-i. Philips, Magnavox and
|
|
Goldstar make CD-i players.
|
|
|
|
..Eric...
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89796 6-SEP 04:09 General Information
|
|
RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89752)
|
|
From: MREGC To: BOISY
|
|
|
|
|
|
> Panasonic has a CD-i player? I wasn't aware of it.
|
|
|
|
No, Panasonic makes the only currently available 3DO player, CD-i's most
|
|
direct competitor. Philips, Magnavox and Goldstar are the companies making
|
|
CD-i players.
|
|
|
|
..Eric...
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89798 6-SEP 04:23 General Information
|
|
RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89752)
|
|
From: MREGC To: BOISY
|
|
|
|
Boisy,
|
|
|
|
> Check out your local Sears store for their CD-i system.
|
|
|
|
After all that talk on CIS about the pitiful state of CD-i kiosks in Sears,
|
|
some of which was posted by you, how could you send a potential CD-i customer
|
|
there to be turned against the machine by what he's bound to see? He should go
|
|
to Best Buy or Incredible Universe instead.
|
|
|
|
..Eric...
|
|
|
|
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|
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|
|
End of Thread.
|
|
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|
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|
|
|
89751 4-SEP 22:56 New Uploads
|
|
CC3 to SVGA (analog) adaptor
|
|
From: AD To: ALL
|
|
|
|
Hi,
|
|
|
|
Do any of you know if/where I can obtain an adaptor for the CC3 which permits
|
|
it to drive a VGA or SVGA monitor?
|
|
|
|
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|
|
|
|
89767 5-SEP 13:52 New Uploads
|
|
RE: CC3 to SVGA (analog) adaptor (Re: Msg 89751)
|
|
From: MRGOOD To: AD (NR)
|
|
|
|
There is no such thing yet or probably ever. If you thin about, using
|
|
a VGA monitor on the Coco would be a waste anyway. The monitor would
|
|
far exceed the resolution of the computer's video output.
|
|
|
|
Hugo
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89779 5-SEP 21:56 New Uploads
|
|
RE: CC3 to SVGA (analog) adaptor (Re: Msg 89767)
|
|
From: DSRTFOX To: MRGOOD
|
|
|
|
Using a VGA monitor solely for the CoCo might be a waste, but you can purchase
|
|
a standard (640x480) VGA monitor cheaper than you can an analog RGB unit in
|
|
many cases, especially if a remanufactured one is found (around $175 vs. $250).
|
|
And what about those who already have the VGA for their PCs? A switch box or
|
|
physically moving the connector would make the monitor useable for both
|
|
machines. So such an animal would make sense, but may cost as much as another
|
|
monitor. Price one of the VGA to NTSC convertors... over $100.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89799 6-SEP 04:53 New Uploads
|
|
RE: CC3 to SVGA (analog) adaptor (Re: Msg 89779)
|
|
From: MMCCLELLAND To: DSRTFOX (NR)
|
|
|
|
If someone really wanted to connect a VGA monitor to the CoCo, they could
|
|
purchase a multisync unit. I have heard of someone getting an NEC multisync
|
|
|
|
to sync with the CoCo. The only drawback: multisyncs are pretty expensive!
|
|
One _may_ be able to find a non multisync monitor that can handle the CoCo's
|
|
15.701 kHz horizontal signal, but I wouldn't know...
|
|
|
|
I think that there is a file in the CoCo SIG Hardware Hacking Database that
|
|
explains how to use an NEC multisync, not sure though.
|
|
|
|
-=Mark=-
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|
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|
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|
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|
89760 5-SEP 09:11 General Information
|
|
RE: smouse (Re: Msg 89643)
|
|
From: ALAIN1155 To: COCOKIWI (NR)
|
|
|
|
Do you really need the RS232 pak? cause i do not have it
|
|
|
|
Alain
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89770 5-SEP 19:47 General Information
|
|
RE: Info Xpress (Re: Msg 89577)
|
|
From: LUCKYONE To: BILLDICKHAUS
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
> Frank,
|
|
>
|
|
> Mark is no longer selling InfoXpress. I am in the process of deciding
|
|
> on a distributor (the list of possibilities includes myself). Meanwhile
|
|
> I will be collecting orders and will pass these on when everything is
|
|
> finalized.
|
|
>
|
|
> -Bill-
|
|
>
|
|
|
|
Hi, Bill.
|
|
|
|
Please and my name to the list of those ordering an upgrade for
|
|
InfoXpress (OSK version). I am very happy with the first version.
|
|
|
|
Howard
|
|
|
|
Howard Luckey
|
|
delphi LUCKYONE
|
|
CIS 74746,3207
|
|
|
|
********** By InfoXpress 1.01 **********
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|
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|
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|
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|
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|
|
|
|
89780 5-SEP 22:41 OSK Applications
|
|
Kterm
|
|
From: MRGOOD To: ALL
|
|
|
|
Can anyone give me details on KTerm, the terminal program
|
|
that is commercially available for the MM1? What emulations
|
|
does it have, etc etc...
|
|
|
|
Hugo
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
89800 6-SEP 09:11 General Information
|
|
Info Xpress
|
|
From: SCWEGERT To: BILLDICKHAUS (NR)
|
|
|
|
Bill,
|
|
|
|
Just a test message from the latest and greatest ...
|
|
|
|
I tried replying yesterday to a message and wanted it posted via mail ...
|
|
it ended up in the forum. <mutter>
|
|
|
|
I'm not sure if it was me or ...
|
|
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*- Steve -*
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