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88819 25-JUL 07:21 New Uploads
RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88791)
From: JEJONES To: SAUSAGESAM
> I think you mighta misunderstood me a little. I'm using AR... I think
> you're thinking that I'm using a util called compress, unless you are just
> comparing the two...
No, I understood you. AR uses LZW compression--that's how it manages to
shrink stuff (usually--no compression method will work on *everything*)
on its way into the archive.
Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside
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88833 25-JUL 23:09 New Uploads
RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88816)
From: DBREEDING To: MITHELEN
RE: ar2 not restoring file attribs
> Hmm.. sounds like Carl introduce the same "bug" that was in V1.2, that
> someone
> else corrected for v1.3.... Amazeing none of his beta testers caught
I have the beta version but if I noticed, had forgotten. Really, it would
be convenient, but we can live without this feature, I suppose, it's not
all that hard to run attrib. I believe the OSK version *DOES* restore
file attribs, not sure, but, as I said, it's not necessarily a *HAVE TO
HAVE* feature, I suppose.
-- David Breeding --
CompuServe : 72330,2051
Delphi : DBREEDING
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88837 25-JUL 23:56 New Uploads
RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88833)
From: RANDYKWILSON To: DBREEDING
David, I disagree. To a new user, setting the correct attributes is one more
major puzzle to be sorted out. It's bad enough having to figure out a foreign
archiver. Then you have to shuffle the extracted binary off to a place OS9
will recognize it as runnable. Some took hours, even days, to figure out that
they also had to "modify" this new binary. Some never did figure it out...
instead giving up in disgust.
Geeez, and people are always moaning about the lack of user-friendliness in
OS9.
Randy
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88843 26-JUL 20:51 New Uploads
RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88837)
From: DWHILL To: RANDYKWILSON
Lha has replaced ar and pak in my system, and it's going to stay that way. I
get all the convenience and superior compression with lha; ar and pak are on
my hard disk only for backwards compatibility.
What was the point of AR2?
--Damon
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88851 27-JUL 00:50 New Uploads
RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88843)
From: SAUSAGESAM To: DWHILL
AR2 has 13 bit compression so I think it is suppose to compress better than
LHA?? I don't know.. Sorry if I'm wrong (don't get mad!!)..
ttyl,
Shawn
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88853 27-JUL 01:11 New Uploads
RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88851)
From: MITHELEN To: SAUSAGESAM
Nope, LHa uses much better compression algorithems... I personally
don't think the new version will catch on, since lha does a much better
job now... The main "nice" thing about AR is, it is reasonably small,
and simple to use, and will run on a 64K CoCo. It is something tht can be
thrown on a disk to make easier installation of software that is archived
on the disk (ie, it will extract the fully directory tree, and, at least
with v1.3, will preserve the proper attibutes, not dure about owner ID
number though, has been a long time since I have actually used AR)
--
Paul
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88855 27-JUL 01:36 New Uploads
RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88853)
From: SAUSAGESAM To: MITHELEN
is there a LHa compress and decompress on here??
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88857 27-JUL 03:13 New Uploads
RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88795)
From: JMICHELSON To: DBREEDING
Glad you guys figured it out...I was beginning to think I wasted my time in
downloading that from Compu$erve and uploading it here. I'll have to check
my own shell+ since I still can't archive that big directory I tried to do
with AR 2.0. What's the CRC of the shell that will work? Mine is $9EA573...
I don't recall doing any patches on it, but I may have a LONG time ago :).
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88867 27-JUL 20:03 New Uploads
RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88855)
From: MITHELEN To: SAUSAGESAM
Yes... look for "lha 2.11c" in new uploads. It works very well..
--
Paul
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88884 27-JUL 23:14 New Uploads
RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88837)
From: DBREEDING To: RANDYKWILSON
> David, I disagree. To a new user, setting the correct attributes is one
> more major puzzle to be sorted out.
Yes, you're right, really. I'd not thought about that aspect. Guess I'm
so used to the "old" way that it just seemed second nature <G>.
-- David Breeding --
CompuServe : 72330,2051
Delphi : DBREEDING
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^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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88885 27-JUL 23:15 New Uploads
RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88857)
From: DBREEDING To: JMICHELSON
> Glad you guys figured it out...I was beginning to think I wasted my time
> in downloading that from Compu$erve and uploading it here.
No, it's good to have it here..
> to do with AR 2.0. What's the CRC of the shell that will work? Mine is
> $9EA573... I don't recall doing any patches on it, but I may have a LONG
> time ago :).
Hmm, my shell's different, not sure if I patched it in any way or not.
Here's my ident... and if I'm not mistaken, I never patched the 8k Data
thing, either.
Header for: Shell
Module size: $18B3 #6323
Module CRC: $8DF5E1 (Good)
Hdr parity: $80
Exec. off: $006E #110
Data Size: $1F00 #7936
Edition: $15 #21
Ty/La At/Rv: $11 $82
Prog mod, 6809 obj, re-en, R/O
-- David Breeding --
CompuServe : 72330,2051
Delphi : DBREEDING
*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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88892 28-JUL 04:51 New Uploads
RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88885)
From: JMICHELSON To: DBREEDING
Oh well...I guess we need someone with the most "current" shell (that is
sure of that) to post their CRC and tell us where they got the patches :).
I have had no problems with mine except for the new Ar 2.0 compressing a
whole directory...not just a few individual files.
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88897 28-JUL 18:56 New Uploads
RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88892)
From: MITHELEN To: JMICHELSON
You might have problems with that... There are lots of little
patches that can be done to shell+ (the patch files that came with it)
to set thing like logging, @ protection, and wildcarding... Yourbest bet
might be to dig up your original copy, and do a "cmp" between them to
identify the changed bytes.
--
Paul
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End of Thread.
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88820 25-JUL 19:46 General Information
RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88812)
From: COLORSYSTEMS To: MRUPGRADE
> You evidently didn't read theh "entire message". I said shareware
> "user2 as in those who actually use the product on a regular basis"
> OF THOSE it is estimated only 10% send in anything,, or theh other 90%
> of those "WHO ACTUALLY USE" theh software NEVER SEND IN A DIME!
Yes, I did misread that part of your message. People who actually use
Shareware on a regular basis should send some money in for it.
> I too have PC friends,, over at their hoese I see the piles of photo
> coppied doc's,, and as he pulls up a nice term,, he sez,, "one-a-these
> daze,, I'm thinking
> about sending in the Shareware 10 ro 20 bucks.
I believe the 90% figure of non-paying users is probably about right, but
I also think that there is also about a 90 to 10 chance that some Shareware
you download isn't worth using at all, a basic piece of $#!t that no one
would ever consider marketing. IMHO, if a piece of Shareware is not good
enough to be sold commercially given enough financial backing then it is
not worth sending in the money or even wasting disk space with it.
And in the DOS world, those 10% still send in the money. I do. Most of the
time, the author is so happy to get the money they send you back better
docs and a more fully featured version of the program. And 10% of MILLIONS
of users works out to some nice bucks, which is one reason why I am in
the slow (I love OS9 too much to make a clean break) process of converting
over to Visual C++ programming for Windows and then whatever "Chicago"
will be called.
> How many ADOS'es are "burned in ROM",, but not a dime paid,, and that's
> not even shareware. But I'd call it used,, wouldn't you?
Now we're getting into a different area. Burning "free", i.e., Art Flexsor
gets no money out of the transaction, copies of ADOS is not merely using
Shareware and not paying for it. After all, even with Shareware the
author actually only "requests" money be sent in as a "contribution to
the cause" (which a lot of the non-paying users use to justify not paying),
but ADOS is ONLY legally available as a commercial product.
> But most authors will agree with you,, Shareware is at best bettern'
> nothing but not by much.
Yes, most Shareware is not worth the download time. Some is. When I find
good Shareware, I pay for it.
------------------------------------
Zack C Sessions
They say, "Money talks". But all mine ever says is, "Goodbye".
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88821 25-JUL 19:49 General Information
RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88804)
From: NIMITZ To: CPERRAULT
Thanks, Chris, I'll take this into consideration and work on a deal.
Also, Kevin Darling plans (very eventually, I suppose) to send me all
available versioins of KWindows. Including the Atari version. So, I'm
working on making the KWindows package more widely available.
David
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88822 25-JUL 19:57 General Information
RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88820)
From: MRUPGRADE To: COLORSYSTEMS
As for shareware not used,, , I'd be supprised,, if anyone who didn't
use it set in money. Or feel expected to.
That much we agree on.
Actually a little more.
It is very satisfying (as author of HOMEPAC V3.1, shareware),, for thehe
several who sent in money for thehe full support,, andn later version.
Then there was th e guy inm
(well out of state),, I wasn't home and called him back,, spend 10 to 15
mins LD,, helping him with theh shareware version. He told me there were
four of five in his group who used and liked it.. Probably would be sending
foro the upgrade. That was tow years ago,, but (grin) one-a-these-daze..
But hey,, I don't loose any sleep over it. Just glad some do appreciate it.
til then Terry Simons
Opinions expressed here, are strictly those of the author,,
"who`else would come up with such a zanny ideas"?
(
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88823 25-JUL 20:46 General Information
RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88808)
From: MRGOOD To: MRUPGRADE
Since I don't have a home DOS machine, the PC stuff doesn't interest me
much. I occasionally take stuff to work just to try it out. However,
since my employer doesn't like to have extraneous software, I delete
stuff after I check it out.
Hugo
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88824 25-JUL 20:49 General Information
RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88810)
From: MRGOOD To: COLORSYSTEMS
In my opinion, if it's junk, you shouldn't have the gall to ask for
money. However, we are a free capitalist society, if people are
willing to pay, more power to the shareware author.
I don;t know, maybe I'm being too judgemental, but it really does bother
me that every li: ALL
Question, I just saw a new peogram called GNG in the database. I read what it
said in the description and it said it would run under os9. Will it work on
my coco3 with 512k? Thanks
Bob
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88943 30-JUL 21:14 General Information
RE: (Re: Msg 88942)
From: MITHELEN To: ROBERT84 (NR)
*Output Off*
FORUM>Reply, Add, Read, "?" or Exit> r words, he feels that they wanted too much for crap
programs. I could call that greed. Unforch there are some "programmers" who
expect to make it rich from one program and that program could be written as
a homework assignment for a high school computer class. Some also don't
support the program even if you send the money. I've been burnt a few times
on that.
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88827 25-JUL 22:15 General Information
RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88821)
From: WA2EGP To: NIMITZ
Can I buy the latest version of K-Windows from you. (Stupid question, I
know)
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88829 25-JUL 22:26 General Information
RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88812)
From: DBREEDING To: MRUPGRADE
> But most authors will agree with you,, Shareware is at best bettern'
> nothing but not by much.
I'd have to differ here. There's some *REALLY* GOOD shareware out there.
I have to admit that I have been a little negligent in a couple of
instances, but do try to send in my donations.
On the OS9 front, we have OSTerm-could have had some polishing, but quite
good.
Tim Kientzles's "view"- really good and pretty complete
HDKit (I sent my donation but Pete Lyall had moved, messed around and never
re-sent)-about as handy as you can get for disk backup.
It's true that much shareware doesn't get the follow-up support that a high-
paying-upgrade setup would get, but really, most is really cheap in cost.
I think you program, you know what is involved in writing a program.
I've read in Computer Shopper where the author states that some of the
PC software is really giving the high-profile software a really tough
run for its money and, in fact, has caused some of these commercial concerns
to reorganize their selling structure. I have no gripe with the shareware
concept myself. If you get a piece of shareware that you honestly don't
or can't use, then just put it aside and you don't have to pay. As for
the download cost, I don't think that is much, unless you d/l everything
you see <G>. At 2400 baud, you can d/l 100K in what 8-10 mins.? What's
that, a buck for online time? I have to pay long distance so what? another
buck on weekends? Not too bad, really. Of course, I realize that if you're
dealing with PC stuff, you're probably dealing with more than 100K, but that
doesn't come to all that much, I don't think.
Really, the one who suffers from shareware is the author. There are many
well-intentioned people who just don't get around to sending in, and
there's a pretty big bunch who d/l everything and never intend to pay
anything.
-- David Breeding --
CompuServe : 72330,2051
Delphi : DBREEDING
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^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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88830 25-JUL 23:06 General Information
RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88824)
From: DBREEDING To: MRGOOD
> me that every little DOS archive includes a shareware request. It would
> be nice if people uploaded stuff from the goodness of their hearts.....
Well, not really. It's nice to do, but to write a really good piece of
material, and debug it, takes a lot of time. If you do write a good piece
of software, I don't see anything wrong in asking for a little compensation
for your time, maybe letting you get some more hardware with which to do more
or giving you the incentive to improve and enhance what you've already done.
-- David Breeding --
CompuServe : 72330,2051
Delphi : DBREEDING
*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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88834 25-JUL 23:29 General Information
RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88830)
From: MRGOOD To: DBREEDING
Heh, I should have completed my last sentence.
Let me try again: "It would be nice if people uploaded stuff from the
goodness of their hearts...once in a while.
Really, I can understand an author asking for compensation for a decent
program. However, if the program is useless or badly written, the
author should have the decency to admit it and not ask for money.
Hugo
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88835 25-JUL 23:37 General Information
RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88829)
From: MRUPGRADE To: DBREEDING
Oh,, I'd agree there is some very good Shareware. soem good quality,,
and the price is small comararively.
And I'd doubt even thh author would expect anyone oto send in money for
something he just looked at,, of used once or twice.
t one time)
used all over the nets. You knew many used it regularly. Talking with
Ken theh author,, he agreed with my guess of: 1 in 30 that used it.
Yet, he did draw in a few nice bucks,,, I won't repeat how many. Soem
of course were mine,, with no requets.
Opinions expressed here, are strictly those of the author,,
"who else would come up with such a zanny ideas"?
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88839 26-JUL 02:48 General Information
RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88820)
From: COCOKIWI To: COLORSYSTEMS
What I object to is So called " included in this Package is a FREE version
of XXXXXXXXXXX....when you run it you find its a CRIPPLED version of some
program someone is selling at HIGH $$$$$$ for the GOOD version! I got a sound
Blaster AWE32....$314.00 worth.... with a program called cakewalk Apprentice.
nice program! BUT if you want a better version Cakewalk PRO...one pays $200
for it!..and another one is HSC Interactive......Get the FULL retail version
for 30%
off list and get Audio track library for FREE.....yeah..sure..for only $195.00
.......as if I can afford it!..I just spent $314.00 buying the card!<shee>
and $195.00 is 30% off????
Dennis
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88842 26-JUL 19:01 General Information
RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88827)
From: NIMITZ To: WA2EGP
The current update disk can be ordered for $15. I ship within one week
generally.
David
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88844 26-JUL 21:16 General Information
RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88842)
From: WA2EGP To: NIMITZ
Yahoo!! Now where is my checkbook..........
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88845 26-JUL 21:40 General Information
RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88839)
From: COLORSYSTEMS To: COCOKIWI
> What I object to is So called " included in this Package is a FREE
> version of XXXXXXXXXXX....when you run it you find its a CRIPPLED version
> of some program someone is selling at HIGH $$$$$$ for the GOOD version!
[description of being ripped off trimmed]
Yes, that does suck. But, ... I have purchased several things recently,
for example a flatbed color scanner and a Colorado Tape backup system
for my DOS box. Both of those items came "with software". As it turned out,
the scanner came with "Micrografx Picture Publisher LE" (the LE stands for
Limited Edition) and the tape backup system came with "Colorado Backup for
Windows LITE".
Both of these were slightly less functional programs than their full blown
big brother versions. They were NOT "crippled". I can scan full color images,
use all kinds of GFX editting tools and save the scan to any of several
different file types. I can backup files to tape and restore them back.
And, indeed both items came with a card to order the "upgrade". And in BOTH
cases the upgrade costs SIGNIFICANTLY less than if I simply ordered the
product from a retailer.
So, I guess it depends on the product and the manufacturer.
------------------------------------
Zack C Sessions
If you're not the "lead dog", the scenery never changes.
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88846 26-JUL 22:26 General Information
RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88845)
From: MITHELEN To: COLORSYSTEMS
I HATE when software is included with hardware products I buy... It means
that the price of tha "free" software is burried into the hardware price.
This software is useless to me... I have no machine to run it on, so I
get stuck paying for something I'l most likely will never be able to use.
--
Paul
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88874 27-JUL 22:43 General Information
RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88720)
From: CPERRAULT To: JWILKERSON
>>Well it seems a lot of the k'ers have forgotten their roots and
are now dogging us cocoists mercilessly<<
I don't think that's true. There are some situations true, but
the OS-k users as a whole aren't doing such a thing. They ARE trying
to persuade people who want more updated and supported and POWERFULL
software to go to OSK for it rather than have it come to the Coco
where it is unlikely to work well. In the process some may sound like
they are dogging their roots so to speak, but the intent is to get
people focused on where progress lies. If the Coco is still serving
your needs, great, stick with it, but when people you want the OSK
performance, you need to go OS-k<am I the only one who thinks I am
beating a dead horse with that statement?>. I myself am still using
the Coco and don't plan on ever getting rid of it, even after the day
comes that I do go OSK. That day is inevitable as I am already getting
anxious to jump into the OSK world where there is a possible future
market, unlike the level II dieing market<it's only natural>, so I can
count on a greater number of quality applications being released<a
trend which seems to be slowly but surely picking up>, and so that I
may someday be able to count on some financial return of any programs
I may write and release in the future<in case you didn't notice I am a
great dreamer<Grin>.
Keep in mind, I still have a great respect for the Coco, and
always will. As has been stated a million times, it worked wonders
compared to the other machines in it's day and still does impressive
stuff, BUT the new machines were created with the hope that we would
have something better and different to jump to besides the PC's when
we had needs that the Coco wasn't capable of meeting. Now we have
these machines, and yes a very modest base of apps, but a start
nonetheless. I hear from a lot of diehards<no offense, I'm one of
them>, about how bad this comunity's going down the tubes because
there are things we can only do effectively on the MM/1 and other
machines but not the Coco. Isn't this the whole purpose of the new
machines? Being a Coco diehard is great, but hopefully we can all
learn to realize when we are ready for one of the new machines. This
lack of realizing is what drives a lot of the K'ers nuts.
>Chris<
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88876 27-JUL 22:43 General Information
RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88821)
From: CPERRAULT To: NIMITZ
>>Also, Kevin Darling plans (very eventually, I suppose) to send
me all available versions of Kwindows.<<
More good news :-) Btw, will this have greater impact on whether
or not Kwindows gets the port to the Delmar Systems or is that just a
matter of the programmer(s) working on it themselves?
>Chris<
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88880 27-JUL 22:52 General Information
RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88874)
From: WA2EGP To: CPERRAULT
Well put.
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88881 27-JUL 23:10 General Information
RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88834)
From: DBREEDING To: MRGOOD
> program. However, if the program is useless or badly written, the
> author should have the decency to admit it and not ask for money.
True, but, on the other side of the coin, the user has the option of
deciding whether it is useful or not. And, as the saying goes, "another
man's junk is another man's treasure. Something that one might think
is great could be useless to another.
In one sense, especially with people like us OS9'ers, some of whom don't
have direct contact with other OS9'ers, have to obtain their software
sight unseen, and if you purchase a piece of software that while maybe
good, might not be what you need, then in many cases, you're simply out
that much money.
To be quite honest, I've purchased software that is quite inferior to
something I have download that is PD or shareware.
-- David Breeding --
CompuServe : 72330,2051
Delphi : DBREEDING
*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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88882 27-JUL 23:11 General Information
RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88846)
From: DBREEDING To: MITHELEN
> I HATE when software is included with hardware products I buy...
Yeah, I know what ya mean. Wanna buy a case full of messy-dog telecom
software? <G>. Got 'em with all my modems I've purchased.
-- David Breeding --
CompuServe : 72330,2051
Delphi : DBREEDING
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^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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88887 27-JUL 23:44 General Information
RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88846)
From: BILL32H To: MITHELEN
Nope !!!! They (me included) are looking for a way to justify the price
they (NEED) ((In most cases)) to sell the HW (And software is nice even
if one only plays with it) ((me included))
PS: Sorry for jumping in ?
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88889 28-JUL 00:03 General Information
RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88845)
From: COCOKIWI To: COLORSYSTEMS
what I would like is to be given the Ugrade up front ,instead of being forced
to buy the So called "BETTER" version....The program is usefull ..BUT is limited
in what it can do! A good eg..is WINFAX lite....nice neat program,BUT the full
version you have to buy! Since I got Winfax lie...Winfax PRO has gone through
TWO upgrades!.....at like $49.00.......If they want to give us programs in a
box with the board,fine,but give us the ORG "PRO" copy not a Short version>..
One program I got,In it was a copy of Castle Wolfstein!<Shareware> FREE program
<Argggg><I already had it><grin>......
Dennis
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88896 28-JUL 18:40 General Information
RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88882)
From: PHILSCHERER To: DBREEDING
But then on the bright side, you can format them and store your OS9 archives
on em! Free disk. <G> <Phil>
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88905 28-JUL 23:44 General Information
RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88716)
From: TMF To: WA2EGP
I am attempting to gather and sort information on OS9 , OS9/68000 & OS9000
and put it in a form for easy access. I hope that everyone will help by
contributing, I might not be able to match Microware's source book
but I will try.
TMF
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88912 29-JUL 18:10 General Information
RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88889)
From: CPERRAULT To: COCOKIWI
>>What I would like is to be given the Upgrade up front , instead
of being forced to buy the so called "BETTER" version...<<
But, then you have to think of the 'other side of the coin'. They
don't have to include anything, which will probably get them chewed
out even more.
>Chris<
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88927 30-JUL 05:17 General Information
RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88912)
From: COCOKIWI To: CPERRAULT
<chew,chew>.....<Crunch>......<grin>....They get their money anyway!<sigh>
Dennis
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88932 30-JUL 10:19 General Information
RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88876)
From: NIMITZ To: CPERRAULT
This is a matter of me getting source code and a programmer willing to do the
port who has a machine available and the necessary skills. So for all I get
are promises. I'm getting ready to go to Hazelwood to get some custome design
and production work
done.
David
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88937 30-JUL 17:05 General Information
RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88896)
From: DBREEDING To: PHILSCHERER (NR)
> But then on the bright side, you can format them and store your OS9
> archives on em! Free disk. <G> <Phil>
Hey, great idea! Hadn't thought of that <G>
-- David Breeding --
CompuServe : 72330,2051
Delphi : DBREEDING
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88825 25-JUL 21:19 General Information
68 'micros
From: DSRTFOX To: ALL
Due to a recent death in the family (grandfather of father's side), "the
worls of 68' micros" won't be in the mailbox until mid-August for most
people. The death was expected for some time, so it was just a matter
of exactly when (has been for about 6 months). So I had some personal
matters to take care of for a few days right as the mag needed to go out.
Sorry for the delay, but it couldn't be helped!
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88828 25-JUL 22:20 General Information
RE: 68 'micros (Re: Msg 88825)
From: REVWCP To: DSRTFOX
Dear Frank:
I'm sorry to hear of your loss. I will remember you and your family in
my prayers.
With all best wishes,
Brother Jeremy, CSJW
OS9 User's Group Treasurer
and Company Chaplain
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88831 25-JUL 23:07 General Information
RE: 68 'micros (Re: Msg 88825)
From: DBREEDING To: DSRTFOX
> Due to a recent death in the family (grandfather of father's side), "the
> worls of 68' micros" won't be in the mailbox until mid-August
Sorry to hear this. May I extend my sympathy.
No problem with me on Micro. I'm sure we all can understand.
-- David Breeding --
CompuServe : 72330,2051
Delphi : DBREEDING
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88861 27-JUL 05:36 General Information
RE: 68 'micros (Re: Msg 88825)
From: JOELHEGBERG To: DSRTFOX
Frank,
> Due to a recent death in the family (grandfather of father's side)...
Let me extend my warmest sympathies to you and your family. Let me know
if there is anything I can do.
=============================================================================
Joel Mathew Hegberg M.O.T.D. Editor
(JoelHegberg@delphi.com) 68'micros Columnist
Sub-Etha Software Programmer
=============================================================================
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88899 28-JUL 20:14 General Information
RE: 68 'micros (Re: Msg 88828)
From: DSRTFOX To: REVWCP
Thanks Brother Jeremy!
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88900 28-JUL 20:15 General Information
RE: 68 'micros (Re: Msg 88831)
From: DSRTFOX To: DBREEDING
Thanks for the condolences and understanding.
The mag just went out yesterday, so you should see a copy in 10-15 days.
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88901 28-JUL 20:15 General Information
RE: 68 'micros (Re: Msg 88861)
From: DSRTFOX To: JOELHEGBERG
Thanks Joel!
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End of Thread.
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88832 25-JUL 23:08 Applications (6809)
RE: Infoexpress Trouble (Re: Msg 88817)
From: DBREEDING To: EDELMAR
===>> I'll address this to you, Ed, but hopefully anyone who needs the
info will see it.<<===
> Be wary of using the 'atz' command with some of the newer, higher speed
> modems especially if they have fax capabilities. The 'atz' command will
> not necessarily reset the modem to factory default,
> that hardcodes 'atz' as part of the initialization string which can cause
> all kinds of problems. To get around this, enter your desired
> initialization string and append the string with 'at&w'.
Very Good Points! This is actually the correct way to do this. Since
we're discussing IX, I'd like to point out that by default, IX does, indeed,
send ATZ as the modem reset. However, you can enter ModemReset into the
config file where you can use any reset string you need. Also, IX also
allows you to enter any additional ModemInit string you might need.
> Caveat - I don't
> know if the above is part of the 'HAYES standard' but it seems to work
> with modems from several different manufacturers.
Apparently the above IS HAYES standard. Most modems I've had use this
protocol (and my current modem is Hayes and this is how IT does it).
-- David Breeding --
CompuServe : 72330,2051
Delphi : DBREEDING
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88875 27-JUL 22:43 Applications (6809)
RE: Infoexpress Trouble (Re: Msg 88815)
From: CPERRAULT To: DBREEDING
>>Did you check out my suggestion about not having the modem
reset string (ATZ if Hayes compat) in the ModemInit string?<<
Somehow I missed that suggestion the first time around, but did
followup on it after recieving the second message. At first I thought
I might have actually broken the curse, but (sigh) no luck. First off
I never had ATZ as part of my ModemInit string in the first place,
only ATX4<as well as a few other configurations at one time or
another>. It was only in my ModemReset string, but I added a new Init
line of 'ATX4^M AT&F^M' following up on Ed's suggestion, but still no
dice.
I'm just going to send IX back for a refund. It's too bad, as I
know it has worked fine for others<and I really want to get this
running>, but the program has been cursed since the day a got it.
First I got it and the IX file itself unarchived with a bad Crc,
so I had to get a copy of the IX file mailed to me by Mark<or Bill,
can't remember>.
Now half the time I try to get IX running it crashed the whole
system on me, which I suspect is of a bug that won't let it cooperate
with cc3io, or it might be having trouble with Shellplus<but I fixed
this already>, or it might have something to do with system ram, which
I find doubtfull.
When I am blessed enough to get it running I can't even get it to
dial the phone<grin>. I guess I'll just wait till I go OSK where I'm
sure this app will be more suitable<it seems too powerfull maybe for
the coco>.
I'm just jealous at all you guys having no problem with it!!
<grin>
Thanks for the tips!
>Chris<
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88877 27-JUL 22:43 Applications (6809)
RE: Infoexpress Trouble (Re: Msg 88817)
From: CPERRAULT To: EDELMAR
>>Be wary of using the 'atz' command with some of the...<<
Thanks for the warning Ed. I tried all the advice out that I was
given but still haven't had any luck :-( Thanks anyway. I'll just wait
till I go OSK and get that version of IX I guess.
>Chris<
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88891 28-JUL 01:13 Applications (6809)
RE: Infoexpress Trouble (Re: Msg 88877)
From: MITHELEN To: CPERRAULT
You might try "AT&F^MATX4^M" in the init string, since, the way you had it
before (with the AT&F at the end) may/maynot cancle out the effect of the ATX4.
Also, how exactly does IX crash the system when it does?
Disclaimer: I don't have IX, nor have I ever seen it in action.
--
Paul
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88911 29-JUL 18:10 Applications (6809)
RE: Infoexpress Trouble (Re: Msg 88891)
From: CPERRAULT To: MITHELEN
>> You might try "AT&F^MATX4^M" in the init string, since, the
way you had it....<<
Ok, will give that a try.
Just tried it...No luck :-(
>>Also, how exactly does the IX crash the system when it does.<<
Usually I will load up IX,and then chd to the 'INI' directory.
Then I'll Type 'IX' at the command line<have the init file named
default.ini so I don't have to include the -c>. It will then start up
and give the opening intro screen, but right before it gets to the
main screen<where you are presented with the prompt>, everything just
freezes up and those horizontal lines appear on the screen. I can't
even jump to the other windows because the whole system is crashed.
Sometimes it doesn't even make it to the first screen :-(
It's sort of a russian roulette effect. Sometimes it does and
sometimes it doesn't.
>Chris<
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88938 30-JUL 17:07 Applications (6809)
RE: Infoexpress Trouble (Re: Msg 88911)
From: DBREEDING To: CPERRAULT
>> >>You might try "AT&F^MATX4^M" in the init string, since, the
> way you had it....<<
Try taking the "AT&F" out of the init string, as this would be the equivalent
of having "ATZ" there. What's happening, I think, is that IX doesn't expect
a reset string in ModemInit, so doesn't wait, but goes on to the dial string.
If you want "AT&F" as your reset, put it in ModemReset. If you want "ATZ" as
modemreset, IX will send THAT automatically.
One other thing you might check. How do you have your [Environment]
directories set up? Could it be that it is having trouble accessing
one of the directories? Especially watch out for TempDir. IX puts a
tokenized file in there with stuff from default.ini (called "default.cfg").
My TempDir is /r0, could it be that you use a ramdisk that requires formatting
and this is the problem?
I hate to see you have to give up on IX, as I feel like it is just some very
minute thing causing your problems. Now, I must admit that I do get crashes
once in a while, one thing caused by large messages, and Bill is aware of this,
but all in all, it is really neat.
-- David Breeding --
CompuServe : 72330,2051
Delphi : DBREEDING
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88836 25-JUL 23:39 General Information
Finally getting OSK !!!
From: MRUPGRADE To: BOISY
Well Boisy, I7ve though about it, , and things do seem to be changing
fooro th better in some areas.
I am defiantely seriously oconsidering gettin an OSK unit.
I may be checking with you and James foro ideas??
Latter,,, Terry g
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88838 26-JUL 00:11 General Information
OS-9 Live!
From: BOISY To: ALL
Anyone have any ideas for the next OS-9 Live! and when it might be held?
I would like someone to help in moderating as well.
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88841 26-JUL 13:07 General Information
RE: OS-9 Live! (Re: Msg 88838)
From: ILLUSIONIST To: BOISY
I dont have any ideas for the topic, but have you thought about holding
OS-9 live over IRC ? this would allow OS-9ers from sites other than
delphi to get in on the conference...
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88850 27-JUL 00:48 General Information
RE: OS-9 Live! (Re: Msg 88841)
From: SAUSAGESAM To: ILLUSIONIST
Hey there... Since it seems like you've been on IRC before, maybe you can
help me out with a problem I'm having. I always here about people using a
/DCC command to transfer files back and forth. Whenever I try the /DCC
command it always yells at me and says "invalid client command"..
I've tried about 10 different servers and it *ALWAYS* says that.. But then
somebody else that7s on the same server I am on says they are able to use the
/DCC command and transfer files to another user. COuld you (or anyone else)
know what is going on? Someone told me that it might be my account but I don't
know why Delphi would restrict me from using that option, or even if they are
*able* to restrict me from anything like that...
Please help!
P.S. If anybody replies to this, be sure not to type /DCC at the beginning
of a line when writing back. I accidently did this in a couple lines and
had to edit the message because Delphi thought I was trying to use some
kind of slash command.. (and cut off the whole line)..
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88862 27-JUL 05:36 General Information
RE: OS-9 Live! (Re: Msg 88838)
From: JOELHEGBERG To: BOISY
Boisy,
> Anyone have any ideas for the next OS-9 Live! and when it might be held?
> I would like someone to help in moderating as well.
Perhaps either "pipes" or "data modules"? If you would like, I can help
you moderate either conference. When is the next OS-9 Live! scheduled?
=============================================================================
Joel Mathew Hegberg M.O.T.D. Editor
(JoelHegberg@delphi.com) 68'micros Columnist
Sub-Etha Software Programmer
=============================================================================
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88865 27-JUL 19:47 General Information
RE: OS-9 Live! (Re: Msg 88850)
From: ILLUSIONIST To: SAUSAGESAM
hmmm, I dont know why you are having trouble, I have a file around
somewhere that explains alot of stuff about IRC, if I can find it
I will convert it to OS-9 friendly format and UL it to you..
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88870 27-JUL 21:21 General Information
RE: OS-9 Live! (Re: Msg 88865)
From: SAUSAGESAM To: ILLUSIONIST
thanks
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88893 28-JUL 06:31 General Information
RE: OS-9 Live! (Re: Msg 88862)
From: BOISY To: JOELHEGBERG
> Perhaps either "pipes" or "data modules"? If you would like, I can help
> you moderate either conference. When is the next OS-9 Live! scheduled?
Thanks, you're drafted. <g> How about Saturday August 13th at 10:00pm EST?
--
Boisy G. Pitre__ __ __ Delphi: BOISY
|_ _| \ \/ / CompuServe: 74464,3005
I use... _| |_ > < Internet: boisy@os9er.waukee.ia.us
|_____|NFO/_/\_\PRESS 1.2.0 OS-9 -- King of Operating Systems
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88894 28-JUL 07:26 General Information
RE: OS-9 Live! (Re: Msg 88850)
From: LMCCLURE To: SAUSAGESAM
"If anybody replies to this, be sure not to type /DCC at
the beginning of a line when writing back."
/DCC
/DCC
/DCC
<GRIN>
Wonder how I did that? Someone else (over on the Color Computer forum)
tipped me off a few weeks ago that typing //string at the beginning of
a line would result in /string.
Of course, you still have to take note that you are at the beginning
of a line and take this preventative measure, but it can be helpful.
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88895 28-JUL 09:09 General Information
RE: OS-9 Live! (Re: Msg 88894)
From: SAUSAGESAM To: LMCCLURE
Thankx for the info..
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88907 29-JUL 00:42 General Information
RE: OS-9 Live! (Re: Msg 88893)
From: JOELHEGBERG To: BOISY
> > Perhaps either "pipes" or "data modules"? If you would like, I can
> > help you moderate either conference. When is the next OS-9 Live!
> > scheduled?
> Thanks, you're drafted. <g> How about Saturday August 13th at 10:00pm
> EST? --
Okay, sounds great! :) I'll make sure to ask for that night off work!
Now, which should we cover... pipes or data modules? Maybe people
should send us private e-mail as to which topic they'd like covered,
unless you have a preference?
=============================================================================
Joel Mathew Hegberg M.O.T.D. Editor
(JoelHegberg@delphi.com) 68'micros Columnist
Sub-Etha Software Programmer
=============================================================================
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88941 30-JUL 18:43 General Information
RE: OS-9 Live! (Re: Msg 88907)
From: HAWKSOFT To: JOELHEGBERG (NR)
Joel:
> > > Perhaps either "pipes" or "data modules"? If you would like, I can
> > > help you moderate either conference. When is the next OS-9 Live!
> > > scheduled?
>
> > Thanks, you're drafted. <g> How about Saturday August 13th at 10:00pm
> > EST? --
>
> Okay, sounds great! :) I'll make sure to ask for that night off work!
> Now, which should we cover... pipes or data modules? Maybe people
> should send us private e-mail as to which topic they'd like covered,
> unless you have a preference?
Why are the OS9 Live! always while I'm out of town???? I'll be in Oregon
(City) that weekend, camping! No Tymnet access on any of the trees out there!
Chris
:-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> Chris "HAWKSoft" <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-:
Delphi: HAWKSOFT Internet: HAWKSOFT@DELPHI.COM
******************< Uploaded w/ InfoXpress vr. 1.01.00 >******************
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88840 26-JUL 06:31 General Information
RE: CD-i == Way Cool... (Re: Msg 88807)
From: BOISY To: JOHNBAER
> You'll want to keep your serial number handy, if/when you need
> help with any games, call 800 845 7301 for `hints' <g>. Also, you
> can call and ask for a price sheet of all the goodies.
I called today and talked to an operator. Rebel Assault is "in the
works" for CD-i! I was given the e-mail address of the head of
Interactive Games Programming at Philips, so I'll be asking some
questions of him as well.
As I told James today, I would *love* to see a CD-i disk with the old
classic arcade games (Joust, Donkey Kong, Pac-Man, Mrs. Pacman, etc).
BTW, I went to Best Buy today and picked up a touch pad controller for
"Hotel Mario" and other action games. Wow, feels great!
--
Boisy G. Pitre__ __ __ Delphi: BOISY
|_ _| \ \/ / CompuServe: 74464,3005
I use... _| |_ > < Internet: boisy@os9er.waukee.ia.us
|_____|NFO/_/\_\PRESS 1.2.0 OS-9 -- King of Operating Systems
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88848 26-JUL 23:08 General Information
RE: CD-i == Way Cool... (Re: Msg 88840)
From: JOHNBAER To: BOISY
Hi Boisy,
> I called today and talked to an operator. Rebel Assault is "in the
> works" for CD-i! I was given the e-mail address of the head of
> Interactive Games Programming at Philips, so I'll be asking some
> questions of him as well.
That is GOOD News.
> As I told James today, I would *love* to see a CD-i disk with the old
> classic arcade games (Joust, Donkey Kong, Pac-Man, Mrs. Pacman, etc).
Ya, I would drop some bucks for some of them. Would be a kick
to play them on the CDi and have friends over <g>. Couldn't call
them golden oldies, that name is used for some CDi music titles <g>.
If you want a fast action game, get the `pin ball' one. That will
have you doing dubble takes. The screen does some VERY fast vertical
scrolls to show the whole playing field.. and each of the 4 games
has it's own great sound FX <G>. At the very least, see if you
can play a demo the next time.
> BTW, I went to Best Buy today and picked up a touch pad controller for
> "Hotel Mario" and other action games. Wow, feels great!
That's the one with the joystick on one side, and the cross pad
on the other right ? If so, check out the `switchs'... <g>.
--
John -
< Posted with Ved 2.3.1 & IX 1.2.0 >
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88863 27-JUL 07:33 General Information
RE: CD-i == Way Cool... (Re: Msg 88802)
From: LMCCLURE To: BOISY
"Going for $299, these new CD-i machines look like a Sega
Genesis in size."
An odd coincidence: Earlier in the same day I read your message, I
had first seen the Magnavox version of the new CD-i player in a
pic in "Video" magazine. Likely it looks exactly the same as the
Philips player (since Magnavox is owned by Philips), but it was either
white or light grey in color.
Other than going to a top-loading mechanism, I wonder what other
cost-cutting measures Philips took? (I wager the expansion port is
out. No loss to Joe Consumer, but killing any thoughts of tens of
thousands or more of CD's being upgraded to OS-9 computers).
The $299 price is a big improvement, but it would have had a much
larger impact 1-2 years ago.
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88868 27-JUL 21:00 General Information
RE: CD-i == Way Cool... (Re: Msg 88802)
From: WDTV5 To: BOISY
I'm glad you found a deal. On the basis of your msg, I went to sears today
and snooped thru the electronics displays there. I found one Phillips/Maggie,
model # unk, no literature on it, only on the great and awsome games you
could play on it. I spent 10 mins snooping around the display (with
checkbook obviously sticking out of breast pocket) and got absolutley no
response from any of the sales personell who werre all apparently in a
"stop the shoplifter" mode. Oh, and after fingering many pieces of sales
price tags stuck here and there, I did finally manage to find one that said
$599.95 . . .
Obviously the checkbook stayed in the pocket. In case someone from sears
is here, that was at the meadowbrook mall just north of Clarksburg WV.
Gee, I'd like for my CDR-25 (NEC) to get back from Mediavision so's I
could put some kind of a scsi buss switch into the circuit and try to
access it from the coco (provided it works on the Amiga when it comes back)
Cheers - Gene
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88890 28-JUL 00:16 General Information
RE: CD-i == Way Cool... (Re: Msg 88802)
From: PHXKEN To: BOISY
Yes indeed. I rent one here in Phoenix at a used video game store for
$6.00/night and buy my own CD's. They do have Tennis and a few games
for rent but not any of the good music/history/fine-arts/etc type CD's.
They stated that the CD's were hard to find but I get mine at Incredible
Universe. I like the music CD's because I can play the audio anytime
through my home stereo system and save the fancy joystick interaction
for special occasions. I am now using the machine with an old color
composite monitor once attached to a CoCoII with the video adaptor.
The picture quality is much better than our 27" TV when connected to
the CD-i machine.
I have not yet seen the new cheaper Magnavox model but I saw it
advertised in Game Pro magazine current issue..no picture was in the
magazine. Can the video adaptor card be plugged into the Magnavox
model and is the Magnavox model cable ready? Incredible Universe
did not seem to have the Magnavox model ... I did not see one but then
I did not ask anyone either. The price of the Phillips model was $20
off the regular $499. The 3DO was demoing next to the CD-i and all
the soft ware was displayed side-by-side. The CD-i seems to have
3 to 4 times the available software including the new movies out.
The movie prices compare to the tape versions so I think that people
will want them if they buy the machine but I have no idea how many
customers are buying the video card. I can say that Incredible Universe
had many of them on hand.
Thanks for the post!.
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End of Thread.
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88847 26-JUL 22:53 OSK Applications
MM/1 Sound cable
From: NIMITZ To: ALL
I'm looking for someone who can tell me how the MM/1 5pin DIN to RCA
sound cable is wired. Does the ground pin have to be connected to
each sound wire? Where can the prewired ones be purchased?
Thanks!
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88849 26-JUL 23:21 OSK Applications
RE: MM/1 Sound cable (Re: Msg 88847)
From: COLORSYSTEMS To: NIMITZ
> I'm looking for someone who can tell me how the MM/1 5pin DIN to RCA
> sound cable is wired. Does the ground pin have to be connected to
> each sound wire? Where can the prewired ones be purchased?
The cable is wired thussly:
5 pin din MM1 stereo sound connector as seen looking at the back panel
of the MM1
3 o 1 o
5 o 4 o
2 o
1 - Right Channel Input
2 - Ground
3 - Left Channel Input
4 - Right Channel Output
5 - Left Channel Output
I was told several times that Rat Shack sold these cables, but by the time
I went to one and asked (at least a year ago), that particular stock number
had been retired.
------------------------------------
Zack C Sessions
If you're not the "lead dog", the scenery never changes.
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88852 27-JUL 01:02 OSK Applications
RE: MM/1 Sound cable (Re: Msg 88849)
From: MITHELEN To: COLORSYSTEMS
Chris Hawks (HAWKSOFT) hand a number of these cables at one time and
was selling them at a good price... I Don't know who his supplier was
though. I have seen them at other electronics stores, listed as European
to RCA sterio cables...
--
Paul
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88854 27-JUL 01:14 OSK Applications
RE: MM/1 Sound cable (Re: Msg 88849)
From: NIMITZ To: COLORSYSTEMS
Thanks, Zack. To you and John Baer who called me with the same diagram!
I really appreciate the fast help here!
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88864 27-JUL 19:21 OSK Applications
RE: MM/1 Sound cable (Re: Msg 88854)
From: JOHNREED To: NIMITZ
David,
I see you got lots of replies and a diagram for the DIN stereo
plug. I didn't see an answer to the other question -- YES,
the ground goes to the outer (shell) terminal on EACH RCA-type
plug. I had a couple of those adaptors once -- came with a
stereo system I bought while stationed in Berlin. Think I
can find them now? (Fat chance).
********************************
A stitch in time --------------------
------ is worth two in the bush
John R. Wainwright <<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>
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88866 27-JUL 19:53 OSK Applications
RE: MM/1 Sound cable (Re: Msg 88854)
From: COLORSYSTEMS To: NIMITZ
> Thanks, Zack. To you and John Baer who called me with the same diagram!
>
> I really appreciate the fast help here!
No prob. btw, on my MM/1a, I made my own 5pin DIN to two sets of RCA phono
jacks which I mounted in a blank back plate which I had drilled four
holes in.
------------------------------------
Zack C Sessions
If you're not the "lead dog", the scenery never changes.
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88873 27-JUL 22:39 OSK Applications
RE: MM/1 Sound cable (Re: Msg 88852)
From: WA2EGP To: MITHELEN
Some "stereo" stores carry this cable. I got mine that way (sorry Radio
Shaft) <g>
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88898 28-JUL 20:07 OSK Applications
RE: MM/1 Sound cable (Re: Msg 88854)
From: JOHNBAER To: NIMITZ
Anytime David.. glad to give back some help.
--
John -
< Posted with Ved 2.3.1 & IX 1.2.0 >
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88929 30-JUL 10:12 OSK Applications
RE: MM/1 Sound cable (Re: Msg 88864)
From: NIMITZ To: JOHNREED
Thanks, John. I need all the help I can get!
David
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88930 30-JUL 10:13 OSK Applications
RE: MM/1 Sound cable (Re: Msg 88866)
From: NIMITZ To: COLORSYSTEMS (NR)
I plan to mount RCA jacks on the back panel of all new MM/1's after I get
the new boards. Called to order boards last week and the company had 'lost'
my file and the quote was 'for double sided boards not 4 layerr boards'. So
this may take awhile longer yet :(
David
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End of Thread.
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88856 27-JUL 02:00 General Information
Chico fest
From: KSCALES To: MRGOOD
Hi, Hugo -
DB>HB> me that every little DOS archive includes a shareware request. It
DB>HB> would be nice if people uploaded stuff from the goodness of their
DB>HB> hearts.....
DB> Well, not really. It's nice to do, but to write a really good piece of
DB> material, and debug it, takes a lot of time. If you do write a good
DB> piece of software, I don't see anything wrong in asking for a little
DB> compensation for your time, maybe letting you get some more hardware with
DB> which to do more or giving you the incentive to improve and enhance what
DB> you've already done.
Yes, I have to agree with David. I released "scsi47.ar" as freeware, and
after about a year I figured that I was "out of pocket" about $200 from the
online charges and long distance calls I paid for to support it. Forget
about the number of hours I spent coding, debugging, etc.
I wrote this off as "good will" to support the OS-9 community, and the
"cost of my hobby".
Don't get me wrong -- I figure it was worth it. I met several great folks
from across North America through their messages and phone calls, including
David himself (Box 412, Route 2, Russell Springs, Kentucky -- right, David?)
The OS-9 "shareware authors" are lucky to break even, let alone make a
profit, IMHO.
Regards... / Ken
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88883 27-JUL 23:13 General Information
RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88856)
From: DBREEDING To: KSCALES
RE: my comments about the time & trouble in writing software
> Yes, I have to agree with David. I released "scsi47.ar" as freeware, and
> after about a year I figured that I was "out of pocket" about $200 from
It wouldn't surprise me to know that you were out even more than that.
> the online charges and long distance calls I paid for to support it.
> Forget about the number of hours I spent coding, debugging, etc.
>
> I wrote this off as "good will" to support the OS-9 community, and the
> "cost of my hobby".
I'd say that a lot of our software will remain a "good will" effort to some
extent, but to put in the time it takes to produce good code, it would be
nice to just get back something for the wear and tear on your equipment.
I know I try to do some programming, and it's true that my abilities are not
up to most, and consequently it takes me longer to get something accomplished,
I'm sure, but the time to do all this is tremendous. Then, as you indirectly
mentioned above, after you once get the program written, there's the process
of debugging and helping people with problems even unrelated to your program.
If you remember when I was trying to get my HD up and running, *MY* problem
was that of not removing the parity jumper from the drive. (Of course, I
realized that my problem was not with your driver, as I couldn't get the
Disto formatter to work either).
> Don't get me wrong -- I figure it was worth it. I met several great
> folks from across North America through their messages and phone calls,
> including David himself (Box 412, Route 2, Russell Springs, Kentucky --
> right, David?)
Well, it's now 336 Breeding Rd. Great you remember, we also met in
Atlanta last year.
> The OS-9 "shareware authors" are lucky to break even, let alone make a
> profit, IMHO.
Right. Also, in another vein, most of the freeware authors would also
appreciate some feedback on their work, too. I know I once released
a program, "gfx3", actually the idea stolen, so to speak, from Dale
Puckett, but I wrote it in ML, and enhanced it. Possibly it was junk,
I don't know, but I never got one comment pro, con, or indifferent. And
that makes one a little reluctant to do much more.
-- David Breeding --
CompuServe : 72330,2051
Delphi : DBREEDING
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88858 27-JUL 05:36 General Information
RE: OS-9 Patches for the Coco III (Re: Msg 88736)
From: JOELHEGBERG To: MROWEN01
Mike,
> I'm working with some very
> sizable manuscript stuff right now. I'm using ved and vprint. Would you
> recommend this same set of tools under OSK or is there something more
> elaborate under OSK? Again thanks for taking the time to respond.
Ved and VPrint are both available under OSK and work great. If you are
familiar with them, I see no need to change. They are very
full-featured.
> half done. I started in C but have some learning to do yet. Do you know
> of a terminal editor anywhere? I expected to see something VT100 capable,
> but the search has been fruitless so far.
By far, the best VT100 emulation terminal program is KBCom written by
Eddie Kuns. I highly recommend it.
=============================================================================
Joel Mathew Hegberg M.O.T.D. Editor
(JoelHegberg@delphi.com) 68'micros Columnist
Sub-Etha Software Programmer
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88859 27-JUL 05:36 General Information
RE: OS-9 Patches for the Coco III (Re: Msg 88745)
From: JOELHEGBERG To: REVWCP
Brother Jeremy,
> I have said this
> many times, there is a wonderful spirit of cooperation here. People who I
> have met on-line have become very dear friends to me. I would think that
> even if the day came when I would move on to another system, as long as
> there is this Forum, I would still stop in to say hello.
I agree completely. So many friendships have been bridged within this
community, it would truly sadden me to leave it. I would definitely
stay in touch with this forum if I ever moved to another system.
> The technical knowledge I have gained is worth a
> Degree, but the intangible things far go beyond that. I guess, I'm in it
> for the duration.
Guess we'll be seeing a lot more of each other in the future, then. I'm
glad! :)
=============================================================================
Joel Mathew Hegberg M.O.T.D. Editor
(JoelHegberg@delphi.com) 68'micros Columnist
Sub-Etha Software Programmer
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88903 28-JUL 22:42 General Information
RE: OS-9 Patches for the Coco III (Re: Msg 88858)
From: MROWEN01 To: JOELHEGBERG
Joel, In my previous message I was not looking for a VT-100 terminal emulator,
I'm looking for an editor that I can run on the Coco from a VT-100. :)
-Mike
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88908 29-JUL 00:43 General Information
RE: OS-9 Patches for the Coco III (Re: Msg 88903)
From: JOELHEGBERG To: MROWEN01
Mike,
> In my previous message I was not looking for a VT-100 terminal
> emulator, I'm looking for an editor that I can run on the Coco from a
> VT-100. :)
Whoops... I'm sorry. :) I'm not much help in that area...
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Joel Mathew Hegberg M.O.T.D. Editor
(JoelHegberg@delphi.com) 68'micros Columnist
Sub-Etha Software Programmer
=============================================================================
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88860 27-JUL 05:36 General Information
RE: Press Release (Re: Msg 88796)
From: JOELHEGBERG To: 01GEN40 (NR)
> Joel,
> Is Checkbook+ still available for the CoCo and did it/does it
> run under OS-9 L2?
Yes, it was originally written under RS-DOS as a BASIC/ML hybrid, and
then completely rewritten for OS-9 Level II with some nice innovative
features and graphics capabilities. The MM/1 version is essentially a
port of that CoCo L2 code with significant graphics enhancements. The
RS-DOS version has been discontinued, but the OS-9 L2 version is still
sold through Sub-Etha Software.
=============================================================================
Joel Mathew Hegberg M.O.T.D. Editor
(JoelHegberg@delphi.com) 68'micros Columnist
Sub-Etha Software Programmer
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88869 27-JUL 21:12 Programmers Den
shareware stuffs
From: WDTV5 To: ALL
The current discussion regarding shareware pleas seems to be rather
optimistic IMO. I just checked the db, and a util of mine with a shareware
plea in it has been downloaded by 62 of this groups members. To date, no
one has forwarded a six-pack or anything else. So I'd have to say that
the percentage of folks who actually do donate would be less than 1/62 since
so far that one hasn't.
Opinions herein are all mine. Cheers, Gene
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88878 27-JUL 22:47 Programmers Den
RE: shareware stuffs (Re: Msg 88869)
From: WA2EGP To: WDTV5
And it is probaby sitting on my drive in a directory designated THINGS_I_HAVE_
TO_LOOK_AT which is growing faster than I can look at them. Now if I had
some time and a FIFO listing...........
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88888 27-JUL 23:45 Programmers Den
RE: shareware stuffs (Re: Msg 88878)
From: WDTV5 To: WA2EGP
hahaha, rofl etc. I like that, maybe thats an idea for a new directory utility!
Cheers, Gene
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88904 28-JUL 23:37 Programmers Den
RE: shareware stuffs (Re: Msg 88888)
From: WA2EGP To: WDTV5
Yeah, nothin' like downloading something only to find you already have it and
haven't looked at it yet! I'll get to look next month (I hope). Bob
"Help - The used space on my hard drive is more than the unused space
in my brain!"
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88918 29-JUL 21:37 Programmers Den
RE: shareware stuffs (Re: Msg 88904)
From: WDTV5 To: WA2EGP
Yeah, I know the feeling! My 120 on the coco is up to 50 megs used! And the 345
on the Amiga is 75% full! Some of which I may never attack with lha. Seems time
goes faster and faster to me, it must be up to a measurable fraction of C speed
by now. I wonder if there is a speed limit for it like there is for light?
Cheers, Gene
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88947 31-JUL 00:19 Programmers Den
RE: shareware stuffs (Re: Msg 88918)
From: WA2EGP To: WDTV5 (NR)
Hmmmm...don't know what the limit is. I usually backup all the lha files on to
floppy, then delete them from the hard drive. Hard to fathom why it collects
so fast. Heck, I'm still trying to fathom electrons moving millimeters per
second in wires but the electric field propagates close to the speed of light.
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88871 27-JUL 22:20 General Information
Sears
From: BOISY To: WDTV5
Hmmm... Well, I would be speaking to the manager about that. And
I can tell you that the Philips Model 220 is $499.95, not $599.95.
Sounds like they need new salespeople.
Don't let that discourage you from getting one of the $299 models.
You might want to check with other electronic stores (Best Buy,
Rexx, etc.)
Good luck.
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88886 27-JUL 23:44 General Information
RE: Sears (Re: Msg 88871)
From: WDTV5 To: BOISY
Well, I was just checking, since I already have, if we can make it work, an
NEC CDR-25 for the Amiga. I wasn't going to toss more money after a dead
horse in this case. And I think I may have things a bit munged here. i was
sending both cr's and lf's there for a few. I am planning on heading out toward
your neck of the woods next week, don't be surprised if you find a somewhat
ancient biker on an old honda beating on your door!
Cheers Gene
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End of Thread.
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88872 27-JUL 22:26 General Information
OS9 sourcebook
From: MMCCLELLAND To: ALL
Can somebody please tell me where, how, and if I can get the Microware OS9
sourcebook. I need to see how much OSK software there is out there before I
invest in a machine. BTW, who is currently marketing the MM/1?
Thanks,
-=Mark=-
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88879 27-JUL 22:50 General Information
RE: OS9 sourcebook (Re: Msg 88872)
From: WA2EGP To: MMCCLELLAND
The easiest way is to call them and request it. Unforch, reading your message
has caused all written copies of the phone number (and my copy of the book)
to slip into an alternate universe. Someone should have them on hand.
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88917 29-JUL 20:55 General Information
RE: OS9 sourcebook (Re: Msg 88879)
From: BRIANALBERT To: WA2EGP
microware's internet address is hotline@microware.com
brian
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88931 30-JUL 10:16 General Information
RE: OS9 sourcebook (Re: Msg 88872)
From: NIMITZ To: MMCCLELLAND (NR)
That would be me, marketing the MM/1 - slowly, since I have capitalization
problems, please send me your snail mail address, and I'll drop you an info
package.
David
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88948 31-JUL 00:20 General Information
RE: OS9 sourcebook (Re: Msg 88917)
From: WA2EGP To: BRIANALBERT (NR)
Ah, that's news to me and also most helpful.
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88902 28-JUL 20:38 OSK Applications
TCP/IP Networking
From: VAXELF To: ALL
I just uploaded a copy of KA9QOSK.LZH . This is a TCP/IP Networking
software package. It was ported to OSK on a PTK4 68000 16MHZ 4Meg
OS9-68K V2.4 system. It works fine on my MM/1. I am waiting for a network
address so I can use the serial port and my TNC to get on amprnet.org.
This same package is availible on MSDOS, MACS, AMIAGA, OS2, & UNIX.
John A. Donaldson
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88910 29-JUL 14:21 OSK Applications
RE: TCP/IP Networking (Re: Msg 88902)
From: MROWEN01 To: VAXELF
When you say that KA9QOSK.LZH is a TCP/IP Networking software package,
what do you mean exactly. Is this a SLIP or PPP package? What utilities are
included? Are Telnet, SMTP, FTP, PING and otheres included? I don't have an
OSK system (yet) but I want to keep track. I use TCP/IP stuff from PCs at
work and UNIX systems. Thanks.
-Mike
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88924 29-JUL 23:47 OSK Applications
RE: TCP/IP Networking (Re: Msg 88910)
From: VAXELF To: MROWEN01
Yes to all of the above. SMTP, FTP,PING, TELNET,FINGER,ROUTE, & ECT.
It can be configure as a SLIP, PPP, & SERIAL (TNC) . Also AX25 mode,
NET/ROM mode.
Docs are included in archive.
John A. Donaldson
WB5DGQ
44.76.5.110
john@wb5dgq.hounix.org
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88906 29-JUL 00:14 General Information
NitrOS-9 v1.20
From: KSCALES To: ALL
From: cmckay@northx.isis.org "Colin McKay"
=================== Cross-posted by request / Ken S ========================
Attention NitrOS-9 Owners
-------------------------
Version 1.20 is almost finished, and work on the new manual has begun. The
current goal for completion is 15 August (and this self-imposed deadline
appears to be realistic.)
The authors are attempting to contact all current owners of NitrOS-9
to arrange for upgrades.
Any and all owners of NitrOS-9 are requested to contact Northern Xposure
via email or snailmail with your current address so that we can get the
upgrade information to you. This includes all owners that sent in the
registration cards that came with earlier versions of NitrOS-9.
Any owners who have purchased NitrOS-9 from the Northern Xposure booth at
either the Atlanta Fest in 1993, or the Chicago Fest in 1994 need not
respond to this request, unless your address has changed.
Please send messages to:
Internet: cmckay@northx.isis.org Snail Mail: Northern Xposure
7 Greenboro Cres
Ottawa, ON
Canada
K1T 1W6
--
Colin McKay | Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch'entrate.
Northern Xposure | Dante (1265-1321) 'Inferno', Canto iii
cmckay@northx.isis.org | [ Inscription over the gate to Hell ]
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88909 29-JUL 00:44 General Information
Digigrade - new address!
From: DIGIGRADE To: ALL
Hi all!
Just wanted to let everyone know that Digigrade Productions now has an
official account and internet address.
DIGIGRADE@delphi.com is to be used for things pertaining to the Compiler
Video Magazine instead of TELENUT@delphi.com
Thanks,
Dave Pellerito
The Compiler Video Magazine
Digigrade Productions
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88913 29-JUL 18:11 Programmers Den
New programming trouble
From: CPERRAULT To: ALL
Ok, I have no begun to add the -f option to the 'Protecter'
program I am writing and have run into a little problem. The command
line argument '-f' is the option to have the program read the
filenames in from a file containing all the names. I call my test file
'filelist' and I used 'ls >filelist' to create it.
What happens is when I run the program(run begmain("-f
filelist")) the program just hangs and does nothing until I press
break. Here's the new portion of the program I wrote to read in the -f
arg.
IF option1="-f" OR option1="-F" THEN
OPEN #diskpath,option2:READ+dir
FOR count=1 TO 100
WHILE NOT(EOF(#diskpath)) DO
SEEK #diskpath,length*count
GET #diskpath,name
EXITIF name="" THEN
CLOSE #diskpath
GOSUB 20
ENDEXIT
PRINT name
GOSUB 30
newname(count)=temp
ENDWHILE
NEXT count
CLOSE #diskpath
(* --------------------------------------
ENDIF
From using Debug, I typed 'print option1' with option1 being the first
parameter read in from the command line("-f -s or -?") and it returns
'-f' saying that -f is the value of option1. Ok great, so I try to
verify by turning on the tracer(tron) and checking each of the 'while'
and 'if' statements relating to option1. It returns all of them false
INCLUDING '-f' which is opposite of what the Print Option1 tells me.
Also when I list it, the '*' shows that the program is stopped at the
'If option="-f"...' statement.
Does anyone have any ideas what might be causing this?
>Chris<
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88939 30-JUL 17:08 Programmers Den
RE: New programming trouble (Re: Msg 88913)
From: DBREEDING To: CPERRAULT
> Ok, I have no begun to add the -f option to the 'Protecter'
> program I am writing and have run into a little problem. The command
> line argument '-f' is the option to have the program read the
> filenames in from a file containing all the names. I call my test file
> 'filelist' and I used 'ls >filelist' to create it.
> IF option1="-f" OR option1="-F" THEN
> OPEN #diskpath,option2:READ+dir
> FOR count=1 TO 100
>
> WHILE NOT(EOF(#diskpath)) DO
> SEEK #diskpath,length*count
> GET #diskpath,name
OK, if I understand you, you're reading a file generated by "ls"? If so,
I think you don't need the Attribute "dir" in OPEN, Now, I don't think
ls would create a fixed-length line, so you couldn't use SEEK, but need to
do a continuous read of the file, and I believe you should use READ instead
of GET.
It looks like you are trying to do a directory read, but from your statement,
what you are wanting to do is read the file generated by ls.
About debug listing showing at "IF "-f ..." (I believe this was it, deleted
these statements from the editor). Could it be that you have a line # here
and an IF ERR GOTO statement?
-- David Breeding --
CompuServe : 72330,2051
Delphi : DBREEDING
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88914 29-JUL 18:11 General Information
New Conference(Ideas Welcome)
From: CPERRAULT To: ALL
I have been toying with the idea of starting up a weekly or bi-
weekly Sunday night conference and am interested in some input as far
as who would be interested in attending and what kind of conference
are you interested in? I want to start one up and I have plenty of
ideas that I want to try out, but to do them all I would probably have
to host about 3 or 4 conferences.
Here's what I have in mind so far<beside brain cells<G>:
1. An OS-9 Programmers gathering: This has potential. What I want
to do is get a conference which will in a sense, be a CLUB where
programmers can get together and work on a program which could then
possibly be released as shareware, or an even better idea, IMO is
donating the finished product to the OS-9 User's Group Library. The UG
could then maybe earn a few extra $$ from registered shareware(since
we all know EVERYONE registers their shareware, right?<GRIN>). This
will serve two purposes. One, it will help bring some more software
into the community, and Two being able to work interactively in a
programming team, in REAL-TIME conference will help programmers
develope their skills, especially us beginners who post here every
week with new questions. Of course if this does happen, we won't be
able to use the old excuse "Well Dos apps are created by complete
programming teams which we don't have." LOL
Like I said this could be a great conference if we get enough
active,consistent participants, because of all the different ground it
covers. Once it starts rolling, it probably won't even need a
moderator, which is one less thing you will need to depend on<letting
me take on some other ideas<G>
2. An OS-9 Basic Programmers gathering: Same as above but Basic
only. My Bias is already showing ;-) 'Course if there those who want
to work exclusively with other languages, I guess theres nothing to
stop ya.
3. Programming Help Conference: This is different from the above
two. It is a convenient conference where people in the middle of
writing their own programs who are stumped by bugs and other Non-
Features they can't figure out can bring their questions and broken
source to a live chat where there are others that may have find the
answers to their problems, trivial. It is a good way for everyone to
throw ideas around without having to wait a day or two. You don't even
have to have a problem. Just show up and tell everyone what you think
would be a great way to write the best Text editor, or how to make
programs more user friendly :-)
4. OS-9 General Get Together: This is a little similar to Boisy's
OS-9 Live with some major differences. Currently OS-9 Live is an OSK
dedicated conference dealing with making use of utilities, learning
programming 'stuff',and other system specific stuff<tho I imagine
Boisy isn't limiting it to that, as he has already said he is open to
ideas>.
What I want to do with this conference is, for one keep it open
to ALL versions of OS-9, and while cover a little of the area that OS-
9 Live deals with, I want to cover more 'external' issues, such as the
direction of the community itself, new software releases, and
discussions/interviews with vendors and software authors,General
chat/help nights for those with miscelleaneous questions, and anything
else related to the state of the OS-9 community and what is going on
within it. It would be like a sort of Online Talk Show. And I'm your
host, Chris Letterman :-)
5. OS-9 Users Group Conference: I have my doubts as to whether we
need an OS-9 UG dedicated conference biweekly, but I do think the UG
needs to be consistently addressed, as far as updates, or how we can
contribute and keep it progressing. I am thinking that if we do start
the #4 conference above, I will just do an extra special edition UG
conference every 1 or 2 months for UG specific stuff, but I'm not
sure.
Those are my ideas. Let me know what you think and we'll reshape
it and work it out until we can get everyone happy<or as many people
as possible>. I would like to get at least two of them going since #4
and a programming type conference is really needed here<things are
getting too stagnant>.If anyone wants to host one of their own, let's
hear it. Once things are worked out I can start schedualling stuff :-)
See Ya
>Chris<
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88915 29-JUL 18:49 OSK Applications
many
From: BOBROGERS To: ANYONE (NR)
Although I have been a subscriber to Delphi for a while I am a new visitor
to the FORUM of the Delphi OS-9 area. I have previously been a subscriber
to Compuserve, GENIE, and BIX. Delphi seems to me to be the best deal
currently.
My system is a Hazelwood QT20x, with 2.5 meg of ram, 30-, 60-, and 245-meg
hard disks, 720-k 3.5- and 5.25-inch floppies, a SyQuest 44-meg removable
disk hard drive, four modified Heathkit H-19 terminals, an Anchor Patriot
2400-baud modem, Panasonic dot-matrix and HP LJ4P laser printers, and a
(censored) PC, plus a cheap PC lap-top. The H-19's are modified for umacs,
with more function codes on the function keys. I bought the QT20 in January
1988, and have it rack-mounted with other equipment. My old computer is a
Technico, based on the TI TMS 9900, still working. (Yes, that is four! So
I am an EE.)
Here is my accumulated list of questions, comments, and problems:
1. I am having problems with booting from a hard disk having 512-byte
sectors. The QT20 won't do it. I bought the latest boot ROMs from
FHL, but they don't do it either. When I dissassembled the ROMs I
found references to the number 256, but nowhere any 512s. It seems
to me that one possible difference in the later ROMs is that the
boot will try to find a 256-byte-per-sector drive on the SCSI bus,
and will fail if it does not find one. I have noticed the system
booting from the SyQuest (not /h0)! I want to retire the two small
hard drives and use the one big one. Dissassembling on this machine
is no easy task. I learned on a PDP-8! It still amazes me what could
be done with 4-k of ram and a 32-k hard disk.
2. Will the Teac dual floppy drive work properly with the QT20?
I haven't found out whether or not the new Teac will work with 720k
5 1/4" disks or only the 3 1/2" size for 720k.
Which current tape backups will work with the QT20? I am currently
using a SyDos 44-meg removable cartridge hard drive for backups.
Will the cheap tape drives intended for connection to the floppy
controller work? What about software? Or must I find a SCSI model?
What about the SCSI DAT? FHL says the old Teac tape cart drive works
but I haven't seen one available. From what I have seen MicroWare's
backup software may not be strictly SCSI compatible.
The SyQuest drive exibits a curious behavior. Using FHL's fbu one
must press <CR> after about 22 meg of backup file, indicating
another floppy disk inserted, and fbu will do about 20 meg more.
I have discovered that OSK provides only about 47 entries for
file segments, and this is exhausted after about 22 meg. You can use
one of the PD file utilities to look at that - I forget which one.
I'll probably move the SyQuest to my other (censored) machine when
I find a better backup device for OSK. I did have a lot of trouble
formatting the SyQuest carts.
3. Does any one have a print spooler for OSK? It seems almost a scandal
to me that MicroWare would ship a multi-user system with no print
spooler, and let users mangle each others print jobs! I am working on
a print utility to print one, two, and four pages per sheet on the
laser, and will upload it when I am satisfied with it. Maybe I can
make it spool also! I think spooling would involve a common data area
the way conf (below) does.
4. Has anyone else tried a new HP LJ IV-P with the QT20? I have had
trouble with the parallel port driving the laser; a serial port works
sort of OK, and maybe it is just as well to use the serial port for OSK
and the the parallel port for my other (censored) system. However, the
laser cannot keep up at serial speeds above 2400, despite XON and XOFF!
And not perfectly at 2400 - drops a character sometimes. More trouble
with OSK? Maybe there should be hardware control CTS/RTS for serial
driving the laser?
Using the parallel port the laser prints only a few characters and hangs.
If one operates the printer on-line switch several times during the print
job you can get it to print the whole page. Seems like this must be a
problem with the ACK signal from the laser not being accepted as an
interrupt by OSK - too narrow, too fast, wrong timing? I have not
'scoped it yet.
In brief, OSK doesn't work well with my beautiful new HP LJ 4-P. Of
course it works perfectly with the unmentionable system!
5. I downloaded TEX from Delphi a while back but have not been able to
get it to work because I can't make any fonts. Makefont says it
can't find the basefile. It made the basefile OK, and it is there with
ewr permissions. Any one else had trouble? Where are the files supposed
to be? I have tried several places. I had to modify the makefont.b
program from what I got by downloading; makefont.b does work, but
metafont (by another name) does not. (Even with full path names.)
6. TEX will need a "dvi2lj4p" driver for my new HP LJ IV-P 600dpi laser.
I'll write it if I can find enough information. Or has someone done
this or planning to do it? TEX to a 600dpi laser should be excellent!
I want to print the TEX and METAFONT manuals!
7. I saw somewhere that OSK software for a CD-ROM drive exists. I have
been delayed on this project because I didn't want to pay for the
higher-priced SCSI versions of CD-ROM drives, and bought a cheap
(not SCSI) drive for my other (censored) machine. I have bought several
of the Prime Time Freeware (largely UNIX) CD's. I had been working on
talking to the SCSI bus for a 9-track tape drive using a NCR controller
board, but stopped when a power supply problem damaged the NCR, and
I could not justify the expensive repair-exchange. It waits for me to
figure out what is wrong with the NCR board. I wrote a bunch of software
for my Kennedy and DigiData 9-track tape drives, and it was partially
working as long as the NCR board was working; and I was going to upload
it except for a possible problem with about 6 lines of assembly code
which I got by dissassembly and lifting from another program.
8. Along the same lines, what about page scanners? I believe that some
available scanners (for MacIntosh?) connect to the SCSI bus. We will
need drivers, which shouldn't be too hard to write. I have the SCSI-2
document from Global. But what about OCR software? Has any one seen
OCR software written in C for UNIX?
9. What experience has anyone had with the newer high-speed modems?
I am waiting for enough reasons to justify a 32bis modem with
automatic protocol negotiation, such as USRobotics. But modem
technology is changing so rapidly! It has seemed to me that Zmodem
has been a better deal than 9600 baud, mostly because some hosts do not
seem able even to keep up with 2400, let alone a higher speed, and
the Zmodem protocol for downloading files by using larger blocks and
not waiting so often for the receiver to respond via satellite, makes
for faster downloads. I suspect that most telephone traffic is handled
via fibre optics now anyway. One of the AT&T trans-continental fibre
optics trunk cables runs through our front yard (easement.) Besides,
for just talking to Delphi, who can type at 960 characters per second
anyway!
I have seen somewhere that the new high-speed modems may require hardware
(not XON/XOFF) control for full operation. OSK on my QT20 does not
monitor RTS/DTR/CD &c. See next item.
10. I am also concerned with the Carrier Detect signal from my modem in
answer mode for log-in as a remote user. OSK does not concern itself
with a loss of carrier, and if anything happens on the line the remote
user may not be able get back in because the host OSK monitor may be hun
g.
Bad, bad OSK! Yes, I know about the carrier loss signal available in
c, but I have not figured out yet how to implement it.
11. It continues to annoy me that OSK Version 2.4 has been available
to everyone else for several years, but not yet for the QT20. I am
told that it has ANSI C. Although I have downloaded them I do not
have GNU C or C++ working. I need help from a better software guru
than I.
I did receive version 2.3, but conf, working on 2.2, does not work
on 2.3, and I haven't figured out what changed in the C compiler's
or OSK's handling of a program common data area from 2.2 to 2.3. We
could use a "wall" utility.
12. Has anyone been able to get Peter Dibble's software for accepting
PC formatted disks to OSK, in the OS-9 Insights book. I typed the
whole thing in and tried to compile it. No goot! Was this for the
CoCo?
That's enough for now! I look forward to comments from anyone. HELP!
Dr. Bob Rogers (BOBROGERS)
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88919 29-JUL 22:18 OSK Applications
RE: many (Re: Msg 88915)
From: DSRTFOX To: BOBROGERS (NR)
Whew! Dr. Bob, I sure wish I could help you out of this! Not many people run
the old QTs as personal systems though. Some of the people here should be able
to help some... especially Joel Hegberg on the C questions (he programs on an
MM/1). The CD-ROM drivers were written for an MM/1 also... maybe Joel can get
you a source. Welcome to the OS-9 SIG!!
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88922 29-JUL 23:12 OSK Applications
RE: many (Re: Msg 88915)
From: SAUSAGESAM To: BOBROGERS (NR)
.About your modem question. I just bought a US Robotics modem for my CoCo3
. It's a 14.4k modem. Got it for about $140.. I don't have any flow control
being used and it works just fine and dandy. If there's a big program, I can
call into delphi direct and download it with my CoCo at 1200 cps. If I use an
IBM to download it with ZMODEM then it goes at about 1700 CPS
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88923 29-JUL 23:22 OSK Applications
RE: many (Re: Msg 88915)
From: MRGOOD To: BOBROGERS (NR)
Yikes, that was a big message you left there! Sort of too big really.
ANyway, in terms of spoolers, I have an MM1 with OSK V2.4 and it came
with a pretty powerful spooler.
Hugo
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88925 30-JUL 00:48 OSK Applications
RE: many (Re: Msg 88915)
From: MITHELEN To: BOBROGERS (NR)
Whoosh.. long message/list that was... I'll try to answer some of
you questions here (I filed the message off for downloading and can try to
findout other answers later)
Let me startout with the modem/serial port problem with no DCD or RTS/CTS
handleing... This MAY be a problem in the driver you have, or the perticular
UART the QT20 uses... (BTW, I'm not specifically familiar with your hardware
setup, just working from my general OS-9 knowledge) You should contact
FHL (Frank Hogg/FHOGG here on delphi) and see if the the hardware is
capable of supporting these signals... if so, and he doesn't have noew
drivers that support them, the task of adding the support shouldn't be
too much... The Drivers on my MM/1 support all modem signals on at least two
of the ports, so it can be done.
Don't know of anyone useing the "cheep" floppy type tape systems on any
OS-9 systems... You can find great deals though on 1/4" 250 meg Archive
Vipers though (a friend of mine just got a used one for 125$ shipped)
In order to use a CDROM, you really need the CDFM (I think that is the name)
module, which is a CD File Manager... Someone is working on this for the MM/1
from what I heard. When it becomes available (Through Blackhawk Enterprises)
you could inquire on getting it through them (I don't think it would need
modification to work on you specific hardware, but you might need to modify
the scsi drivers)
Welp... my memory is fadeing on what else you asked about, so I'll cut it of
here... It seems like a lot of you questions/problems pertain to a lack of
specific support from FHL pertaining to your hardware... I think there
was someone else on my BBS that had the same system as you, if I can figure
out who it was, I'll ask him to get in tough with you through Mail.
--
Paul Jerkatis - SandV BBS (708)352-0948: Chicago Area OS-9 Users Group
UUCP: amiserv.xnet.com!vpnet!sandv!mithelen ...or... mithelen@sandv.chi.il.us
Internet: MITHELEN@Delphi.com
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88935 30-JUL 13:10 OSK Applications
RE: many (Re: Msg 88915)
From: EDELMAR To: BOBROGERS (NR)
**** For Hugo (MRGOOD) (message 88923)
> Yikes, that was a big message you left there! Sort of too big really.
Well, it was big and my answer is even bigger <g>! I've been hard pressed
with work lately and responding to Dr. Bob is giving me a breather.
Dr Bob,
> 1. I am having problems with booting from a hard disk having 512-byte
> sectors. The QT20 won't do it. ....
You said you were not running version 2.4 of OSK but an earlier one. The
prior versions of RBF only supported a single sector size, 256 bytes. In
order to support 512 byte (or larger), the driver and bootrom had to resort
to 'trickery'. The driver would be set to read and write 512 byte sectors
to the HD but receive and/or send 256 bytes to the bus. The first 256 bytes
were handled and then the second if needed (or the reverse order if you were
interested in the second half of the 512). Care must be used in defining
the sector to be written/read. The preceeding was accomplished successfully
by most OEMs. Similar code has to be put in the bootrom. I assume you
booted from another device, formated and loaded the files you want onto the
512 byte/sector HD (including making a bootfile for that drive). You'll have
to get back to Hazelwood/FHL for a correct bootrom or, write and burn one
yourself. The bootrom doesn't use RBF so it doesn't have any restrictions.
If you can't find reference to 512 (or 511) in the bootrom code, I'd suspect
the bootrom. BTW, RBF in version 2.4 and later of OS9 supports logical
sector sizes from 256 bytes to 32768 bytes in integral binary multiples
(256, 512, 1024, etc.).
> 2. Will the Teac dual floppy drive work properly with the QT20? ....
Ask FHL.
> Will the cheap tape drives intended for connection to the floppy
> controller work? What about software? ....
These drives are designed to work with the 37c65 series of chips and to
use either the Quick 40 or Quick 80 format. I don't know if they can be
made to work with a 1772 (or similar) chip. Software will be available
for these drives one of these days. This is an in-house project running
as a background task with a very low priotity.
> .... From what I have seen MicroWare's backup software may not be strictly
> SCSI compatible.
MW's backup software was designed specifically for SCSI tape units and, with
one limitation, has been quite reliable in that service for many years. I
have one customer who is running several VME systems; MIZAR and MOTOROLA.
One dates back to around '86 or so and he's still running either version 2.0
or 2.1. The tape back up works reliably and the tapes produced are inter-
changeable with the other systems even though they are running later versions
of OS9 - up to 2.4. If there are problems, they will be found in the driver
which is the responsibility of the hardware OEM.
The limitation I mentioned is that a given file may not span more than 4 or
5 backup medias. This really isn't a problem considering the large size
tapes available but if you try to back-up to disks, the maximum file size is
limited. I don't remember whether this problem occured with 'fsave' or
'frestore'.
> 3. Does any one have a print spooler for OSK? ....
Yes, MW does have one as do several other providers. I think there may be
some in the databases here and/or on CIS.
> .... I am working on a print utility to print one, two, and four pages per
> sheet on the laser, and will upload it when I am satisfied with it. ....
Sounds real good - I would be interested in such a utility. Will this be
like 'enscript' on UNIX?
What is 'conf'?
> 4. Has anyone else tried a new HP LJ IV-P with the QT20? I have had
> trouble with the parallel port driving the laser; a serial port works
> sort of OK, and maybe it is just as well to use the serial port for OSK
> and the the parallel port for my other (censored) system. However, the
> laser cannot keep up at serial speeds above 2400, despite XON and XOFF!
> And not perfectly at 2400 - drops a character sometimes. More trouble
> with OSK? Maybe there should be hardware control CTS/RTS for serial
> driving the laser?
I'm using a HP LJ IV+ with my SYSTEM IV's (68000 @ 16 MHz) and SYSTEM V's
(68020 @ 25/33 MHz) as well as 'my other (censored) system' running OS-9000.
One of the IVs goes to the printer via the serial port at 38400. The other
machines go through an automatic parallel switcher (but I have fed them
directly - occasionally I have problems with the switcher). The serial port
uses a 68681 and does provide CTS and RTS.
> Using the parallel port the laser prints only a few characters and hangs.
> If one operates the printer on-line switch several times during the print
> job you can get it to print the whole page. Seems like this must be a
> problem with the ACK signal from the laser not being accepted as an
> interrupt by OSK - too narrow, too fast, wrong timing? I have not
> 'scoped it yet.
Assuming the chip (68230?) is OK and your cable is good, it sounds like a
software (driver) problem. How does one of the cheapie dot matrix printers
behave?
I've not had problems with any laser printer nor have any of my customers
reported any - many different brands are being used. I have had and customers
have reported problems with dot matrix printers - this involved dropping
an occasional character. I have been unable to reproduce consistantly the
problems reported or that I had. Nor, was there any commonality as to
brand or model. I ended up with 2 drivers - one looks for the printer ready
signal and the other doesn't. One or the other has always solved the
reported problems.
> In brief, OSK doesn't work well with my beautiful new HP LJ 4-P. Of
> course it works perfectly with the unmentionable system!
Well, as I tried to point out, the problem isn't with OSK but with the
driver.
> 5 & 6 Re TEX ....
Can't help you but if get a driver written for the 4+ (or 4P) I'd like to
try it.
> 7. I saw somewhere that OSK software for a CD-ROM drive exists. I have
> been delayed on this project because I didn't want to pay for the
> higher-priced SCSI versions of CD-ROM drives, ....
CD-I (RTOS) is probably what you're referring to. The drivers could be
modified to read conventional CD's. Also, Carl Kreider is writing (or
has written) a CD-ROM driver.
> 8. Along the same lines, what about page scanners? I believe that some
> available scanners (for MacIntosh?) connect to the SCSI bus. We will
> need drivers, ....
I've started working on software for a page scanner. Since this is an
in-house project, it is a 'back-ground task with a very low priority' <g>.
For now, I use a FAX machine to do my scanning - crude but adequate for
now.
> .... But what about OCR software? Has any one seen OCR software written
> in C for UNIX?
I haven't but if you find some, please let me know.
> 9. What experience has anyone had with the newer high-speed modems? ....
I'm using only 14.4, v.32bis, etc. fax modems both internal and external.
Serial ports are set at either 19200 or 38400. I've had almost no
problems with BBSs at 9600 - DELPHI is fine at 9600 and CIS has 14400.
I agree that for on-line conferencing, etc., 2400 is OK but it's hard to
beat 9600 and y/zmodem for up-downloading. For large files on CIS I use
14400 and their 'B' protocol. For 14400 on CIS, use 1-800-544-3095 -
there is a hefty surcharge.
> 10. I am also concerned with the Carrier Detect signal from my modem in
> answer mode for log-in as a remote user. OSK does not concern itself
> with a loss of carrier, and if anything happens on the line the remote
> user may not be able get back in because the host OSK monitor may be hung.
> Bad, bad OSK! Yes, I know about the carrier loss signal available in
> c, but I have not figured out yet how to implement it.
This is not an OSK problem but rather, a problem with the driver written
by the OEM. In fact, you don't need CD to hang up. Most modems can be
forced to disconnect by the settings of &D and &Q. If CD isn't supported
by the driver, the _ss_dcoff() and _ss_dcon() functions are useless. And,
there are other ways to handle the information.
> 11. It continues to annoy me that OSK Version 2.4 has been available
> to everyone else for several years, but not yet for the QT20.
GRIN!
I understand the more recent machines from Hazelwood/FHL (the TC-70 and
the KIX) still come with 2.3; 2.4 'is a-coming' <g>.
> I am told that it has ANSI C. Although I have downloaded them I do not
> have GNU C or C++ working. I need help from a better software guru
> than I.
Version 2.4 still comes with the K&R Compiler from most OEMs. However,
most also offer ULTRA C (the ansi compiler) as an option. We, (DELMAR CO)
offer ULTRA C to our customers at a very low price. The regular price is
$1295.00, the same as MW's price. BTW, according to MW's docs, you must
have version 2.4 of OSK to use ULTRA C.
Re GNU C - I'm not sure 2.5 Megs is enough memory for it and I think (might
be wrong) it requires version 2.4 of OSK. Might check with one the GNU gurus
here or on CIS.
> 12. Has anyone been able to get Peter Dibble's software for accepting
> PC formatted disks to OSK, in the OS-9 Insights book. I typed the
> whole thing in and tried to compile it. No goot! Was this for the
> CoCo?
I assume you're referring to the file manager listing at the end of the
book, the answer is yes - several people have. Changes were made to his
code and the driver was modified but the end result worked. Peter's
listing 'leans' towards GMX's drivers. It 'kinda' assumes using a 37c65
chip. I suppose it could be modified to handle the 1772 driver/chip
but this would be quite a chore and you could not use high density disks.
Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO
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End of Thread.
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88916 29-JUL 20:07 Telecom (6809)
VT100 emulation
From: DWHILL To: ALL
Are there any term programs for OS-9 Level II which have at least some
VT-100 emulation? I'm trying to go through a local Internet provider, but
can't get Supercomm to work with most of the cursor commands and many of
the functions. Currently I'm getting by with my PC clone, but I really
wanted to have my Coco available for this purpose as well, since my
roommate uses the former a lot.
--Damon
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88920 29-JUL 22:36 Telecom (6809)
RE: VT100 emulation (Re: Msg 88916)
From: CPERRAULT To: DWHILL
Well I know there is KB-Com from Eddie Kuns(here in the database) which is
supposed to work pretty well and a stand alone VT100
protocol also here in the database which can be run as an extension of
Supercomm or any other program<or alone>.
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End of Thread.
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88921 29-JUL 23:02 General Information
RE: Current Periodicals (Re: Msg 87618)
From: NEWKID To: DSRTFOX (NR)
Will give it a try! Thanks.
James
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88926 30-JUL 02:55 Games & Graphics
Shanghai and Multivue
From: ISC To: ALL
I remember some discussion about this before, but I am having trouble
with Shanghai in Multi-vue. Shanghai works fine in a 40 x 24 graphics
window, but will not draw the windows in Multi-vue. I get an error 201
instead. How can the path be different in Multi-vue if I am using the
same diskette to load the game outside of Multi-vue and it works? What
paths are different?
Bill
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88934 30-JUL 11:58 Games & Graphics
RE: Shanghai and Multivue (Re: Msg 88926)
From: PHXKEN To: ISC
It does work. Took me a while too. I forgot to reset the exec dir
under MV and my path to the ICONS in the AIF had to be changed to
fit my system. Running under shell 2.1 my path is to a second hard drive.
MV needed to adjust for my setup.
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88936 30-JUL 14:45 Games & Graphics
RE: Shanghai and Multivue (Re: Msg 88934)
From: ISC To: PHXKEN (NR)
P,
Thanks for the reply. I did reset the exec dir in MV and I also did
change the AIF to point to the icons directory. Shanghai is in the
"Games" directory which is a sub-directory to the CMDS directory. If
I try to run Shanghai with CMDS as exec and /d0 as data dir, I get a
216 error. If I use the games dir as exec and data dir Shanghai
draws the dragon logo and fails with a 201 error. While running in
a graphics window outside of MV, I use the same diskette and run /d0
as data and CMDS as exec and shanghai works fine. What am I missing?
Bill
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88928 30-JUL 06:01 General Information
RE: OS-9 fest in Dallas? (Re: Msg 88652)
From: BROWN80 To: NIMITZ
I will try to send a message to Allen. I my experience in Bryan the best
support for presentations comes from our local Hilton but I guess OS-9 budgets
are more suited to Holiday Inns ...or maybe Motel 6? Anyway it would be
exciting to have such a show in Dallas. Let's hope it turns out better for
us than the Rainbowfest in Fort Worth did. A good show but it didn't lead to
repeats.
John Brown
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88933 30-JUL 10:23 General Information
RE: OS-9 fest in Dallas? (Re: Msg 88928)
From: NIMITZ To: BROWN80 (NR)
Thanks! TTYl!
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88940 30-JUL 17:57 OSK Applications
ispell and screen
From: SCWEGERT To: KSCALES
Ken,
I'm finding some difficulties using Ispell under screen. When I hit the '?'
for help in Ispell, the help message overwrites itself as if line feeds were
turned off.
Also, when attempting to quit Ispell, you're prompted whether you wish to save
the changes. Answering Yes .. all is well, but answering No, Ispell just beeps
and returns you to the prompt.
Any idea what's happening?
*- Steve -*
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88946 30-JUL 23:28 OSK Applications
RE: ispell and screen (Re: Msg 88940)
From: KSCALES To: SCWEGERT (NR)
Hi, Steve -
> I'm finding some difficulties using Ispell under screen. When I hit the
> '?' for help in Ispell, the help message overwrites itself as if line
> feeds were turned off.
Just tried it here using 'screen' on a standard 80x26 MM/1 'vsc' type 0
window, and it worked OK. Guess we'll need to narrow things down a little
bit. My version of screen says that it's edition 7, CRC $F76802. I don't
remember if this is the original one from the database here, or if is one
of Bob van der Poel's updates. Hmmm... the date on it is 92/03/30, so
it must be the original.
'Screen' builds its own TERMCAP environment variable, which is a combination
of its ANSI emulator, plus characteristics from the original device (e.g.,
number of lines and columns). Following are some of the relevant entries
resulting from a 'printenv' on my system:
STY=w2
TERM=screen
TERMCAP=SC|screen|VT 100/ANSI X3.64 virtual terminal|\
:DO=\E[%dB:LE=\E[%dD:RI=\E[%dC:UP=\E[%dA:bs:bt=\E[Z:\
:cd=\E[J:ce=\E[K:cl=\E[2J\E[H:cm=\E[%i%d;%dH:ct=\E[3g:\
:do=\E[B:nd=\E[C:pt:rc=\E8:rs=\Ec:sc=\E7:st=\EH:up=\E[A:\
:li#26:co#80:us=\E[4m:ue=\E[24m:so=\E[3m:se=\E[23m:\
:sr=\EM:al=\E[L:AL=\E[%dL:dl=\E[M:DL=\E[%dM:dc=\E[P:\
:DC=\E[%dP:im=\E[4h:ei=\E[4l:ic=:IC=\E[%d@:kd=^N:kl=^B:\
:kr=^F:ku=^P:
WINDOW=0
PORT=/tty00
Any other info you might be able to provide regarding your setup will
help.
> Also, when attempting to quit Ispell, you're prompted whether you wish to
> save the changes. Answering Yes .. all is well, but answering No, Ispell
> just beeps and returns you to the prompt.
>
> Any idea what's happening?
Yes, you are the second person to comment on this. When I ported 'ispell',
I tried to make it a bit clearer to the user what would happen to the
changes entered during the session. I guess that I didn't completely
succeed.
If you type 'x' to 'eXit', you receive the following prompt:
Exit, ABANDONING changes: <y/n>?
Responding 'y' will terminate the program, and abandon the changes.
Responding 'n' indicates that you do not want to Exit, and returns back
to spellchecking mode.
Similarly, if you type 'q' to 'Quit', you receive this prompt:
Quit, saving changes: <y/n>?
Responding 'y' will terminate the program after saving the changes.
Responding 'n' indicates that you do not want to Quit, and returns back
to spellchecking mode. It was not intended to mean "Quit without saving
the changes" -- that is what "eXit" does.
Sorry if you found this confusing. I think the '?' help screen provides
a bit of a clarification, but I can understand how you could mis-interpret
the second prompt.
Regards... / Ken
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Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237
** Composed with KVed/Ved and uploaded with InfoXpress **
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88942 30-JUL 20:14 General Information
From: ROBERT84 To: ALL
Question, I just saw a new peogram called GNG in the database. I read what it
said in the description and it said it would run under os9. Will it work on
my coco3 with 512k? Thanks
Bob
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88943 30-JUL 21:14 General Information
RE: (Re: Msg 88942)
From: MITHELEN To: ROBERT84 (NR)
This submission if compiled for OS-9/68K... While source is includes, the
OS-K binaries look pretty big, so it would probably be too big to port
to the coco, unless, the porter stripped out some of the features...
--
Paul
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88944 30-JUL 21:18 Telecom (6809)
Sacia help
From: TOMFANN To: ALL
I downloaded Bruce Isted's "Replacement for ACIAPAK" (SACIA) and after
dearcing it, I have 3 sacia files. They are sacia.man, sacia.dr, and
sacia.mpi. What are these, and which one goes in my bootfile? I figure
the ".dr" must mean "driver", but I can't figure out what the others are.
I want to use this with Supercomm and a stock Tandy Deluxe RS-232 Pak.
Any help will be appreciated.
..Tom Fann
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88945 30-JUL 21:31 Telecom (6809)
RE: Sacia help (Re: Msg 88944)
From: MITHELEN To: TOMFANN (NR)
SAcia.man is the documentation (manual page) file.
SAcia.dr is the driver to use, if you are using a Y-Cable, or a "strapped" MPI.
Sacia.mpi is another version of the driver that you use if you are using
a "stock" MPI, with the RS-232 in slot 1, and disk controller in slot4.
If you list out the Sacia.man file, and read it, it will tell you more in
more detail.
--
Paul Jerkatis - SandV BBS (708)352-0948: Chicago Area OS-9 Users Group
UUCP: amiserv.xnet.com!vpnet!sandv!mithelen ...or... mithelen@sandv.chi.il.us
Internet: MITHELEN@Delphi.com
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